40k-lore-chat

[crisp heath]

Or maybe the chaos undivided thing happens

@umbral nymph maybe!

[umbral nymph]

thats why zola wanted to capture wolfer back, she was about to interogate him or something before he escaped. but considering how zola looked at wolfer like a typical heretic guard its unlikely..or maybe she was hiding his interest in him to not raise suspision from others

which makes this alot deeper

zola was playing the long game since the start of the game

[crisp heath]

Zola didn't want to interrogate him

Her master did

She would not be the one doing it

At most, if that's the case, she's trying to make up for her fuck up by letting him escape

That or whatever the dudes name is that shot the traitor

[umbral nymph]

considering she literally risked jeopordizing their mission and went behind raniks back, she most definetely wants to interogate him, well now atleast

[crisp heath]

🤷‍♂️ we just don't know

[umbral nymph]

hey its fun to theroycraft

[crisp heath]

But during the jail cell scene, she specifically mentions her master

[umbral nymph]

gets my mind off the premnium shop

[crisp heath]

Not herself

[rigid dune]

When we fight the twins they tell us to leave one alive to interrogate? Do we do that or did we just kill both?

[crisp heath]

Honestly not sure

[umbral nymph]

like i said to throw off the scent of her personal intentions, which is abundant in the latest mission. it was basically masks off for zola on that mission lol

[queen laurel]

we killed them both it seems

[umbral nymph]

kill both

they ded ded

[crisp heath]

Again we just don't have enough info to really know one way or the other yet

[umbral nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/starship-troopers-desire-to-know-gif-22293889

[crisp heath]

Lol welcome to 40k

That's my perpetual existence

[umbral nymph]

like what happend on Medusa V

[crisp heath]

I'd 10000000% be a Tzeentch Acolyte

[crisp heath]

🤣 💯

[umbral nymph]

how many armies do you want to fight on this planet

YES

[crisp heath]

It was ate by the warp wasn't it?

And they were able to successfully evacuate it, which is honestly like a major win for the imperium

They don't usually get to do that

[umbral nymph]

The Imperial Guard intended to deny Medusa V to the Emperor's myriad enemies, or every man and woman among them would die in the effort. Every victory by the Imperial Guardsmen ensured the safe evacuation of thousands of loyal Imperial citizens.

IG legit chanelled their inner Salamander. ALONGSIDE THE SALAMANDERS

[crisp heath]

100%. The Guard is so dope man... Literally they have the single most badass moments in the whole narrative

[rigid dune]

Is there a lore reason why the zealot got stealth ability? Isn't the zealot whole thing that they scream a lot? ...you know the opposite of being a stealthy boy?

[umbral nymph]

Closest thing is Death Cult Assassins

[crisp heath]

Literally their zealotry. Their belief manifests things. Be it fire, holy light, or concealing shadow.

This is a known thing in 40k. Now the game massively over uses it

It's more like miracles, and doest always happen

But say your somewhat inclined to the warp already, and the emperor has a nice opinion about you (kidding kind of), you legitimately can believe hard enough your swordcatches flame in your fervor, or you walk through fire unscathed, or the bell n your hand rings a sound that demons hate, or cast a light that bolsters your friends and gives them strength

There's a myriad of ways in which belief might manifest

To as simple as an extra bullet that shouldn't be there being at the end of your mag

[umbral nymph]

btw the artist for the skill tree dosent get enough credit

Miguel Iglesias

[crisp heath]

Or a gun never misfiring or what have you during a prolonged battle

(Lasguns are known to not be very well made)

[umbral nymph]

where is my auto stubber

[umbral nymph]

this ones gonna take a lot of prayer and a lot of incense and holy oil

[crisp heath]

Sometimes

[umbral nymph]

sapping the life out of a heretic to use as ammo

[crisp heath]

But sometimes, your gun is caked in blood and dirt and the grit of foul xenos, and all you have is a hope and prayer your gun has one last burst for the hungry mouth dripping saliva towards your neck. What can you do but raise your battered tool with a heartfelt cry to the holy emperor's grace, and beg for his benevolence. And when that crackling, thunderous sound echoes through the chamber, yet no shells fall from the barrel, Ye shall know your Lord Listened and Heard thee!!!

[rigid dune]

You pull out your poop shovel and hit the monster with it

[crisp heath]

Pfft

[rigid dune]

Have faith, it will manifest on the shovel to coat it in holy fire

[crisp heath]

Happy New Years everybody!!!!

It's midnight for me lolol

[thorn zenith]

The skill enhancement node "mastercrafted shroudfield" leads me to believe that it is an actual equipment, id think their actual FAITH stuff is the chorus

[arctic talon]

The stealth for both zealot is def a shroud field based on the node upgrade

Chorus is faith magic

Prolly

[crisp heath]

@thorn zenith that's fair. But most of my statement stands for most of 40ks "miracles" like stuff, not just specifically the zealot. But yea, I'd agree with some of that. But like, also the thing he lifts up that glows is literally an artifact if I'm not mistaken. Something from an old priest that's super holy that you raise up and it blasts like pulsing golden light out. That's 100% faith based. Or the fact your fire is golden and doesn't burn friendlies somehow?

That's not some special chemical. That's definitely faith based something happening

At least in my mind

But yea, the shroud might be some tech I'm unaware of

[sleek tusk]

Guys if the emperor came back do you think he will be pissed that his armor has been melted down and then split into random artifacts to be used with some already being lost because their owner died anyway

[celest dome]

Melted ?

[median marsh]

It would be the least of his issues

[sleek tusk]

wait was it not melted down i thought i read somewhere that it was o_0

[storm jungle]

That is semi-old lore

[sleek tusk]

"The right Gauntlet of the One True Armour is currently in possession of the Dark Angels, who used it to create thousands of Crux Terminatus badges" - from da wiki

[storm jungle]

its not been debunked but most people ignore it because its KINDA stupid the more you think about it

[sleek tusk]

oh

[storm jungle]

because as you just pointed out

[sleek tusk]

true

[storm jungle]

why the fuck would you do this

[sleek tusk]

bro thats exactly what i thought but then again... IT IS THE IMPERIUM

[crisp heath]

Yea

[storm jungle]

Yeah theres also one item in lore which is a grenade filled with the Emperor's tears lol

[crisp heath]

Also never trust the wiki

[sleek tusk]

wtf XD

[storm jungle]

ITS STUPID

[thorn zenith]

The imperium is the prime ugly stupid of the setting

[median marsh]

Looking into it supposedly it was his own order to have his armor broken down but it's like ultra old lore

[sleek tusk]

sadge cant trust the wiki 💀

[queen laurel]

very rarely is it correct

very very rarely

[median marsh]

And by old I mean 1989 old

[crisp heath]

Yeah... basically it's kinda Canon. But at the same time it's so old and out dated, and literally has no impact on the story, and the community hates it so much it might as well be retconned

I don't think there's a single story they factor into

[thorn zenith]

Theres also the thing that everything is canon but it might not he true

[crisp heath]

That as well

[sleek tusk]

lol

[crisp heath]

It very well could be a rumor in universe, and not exactly true but believed by some

[median marsh]

I disregard that entirely because I refuse to let black library get away with writing the dumbest things ever conceived

[crisp heath]

It's just one of those things nobody cares enough to flesh out. Most wish it never existed

[crisp heath]

Fair lol

[sleek tusk]

i mean it makes for good lore but

[median marsh]

Prime example Goto writing eldar

[queen laurel]

"celestial orrery"

OK I understand the point of the necrons being way too OP for their own good but Jesus Christ Jesus

[median marsh]

eldar stealing imperial tanks because they're better

[queen laurel]

You're telling me they just have that?

[crisp heath]

Lol like, I honestly love it

[median marsh]

a dozen pages of farseer getting mutilated for no apparent reason

[sleek tusk]

Isnt the one thing thats holding necrons back is they all rather sleep than deal with the galaxy's bullshit lol

[crisp heath]

It really sets in stone how much technological advancement was lost during humanities dark age.

@queen laurel there being tech like that makes the ancient super tech of humans seem feasible

[median marsh]

Vast majority of necrons are not only asleep but basically automatons directed by the ruling class like Silent king etc

[sleek tusk]

lul

[queen laurel]

yeah the eldar are pretty much punching bags for GW

it's not even funny it's just sad

[crisp heath]

Except the exodites. I really feel like, out of everyone they have it the best in 40k

[median marsh]

They used to be entirely devoid of any personality but got changed into dynasties and whatnot

[queen laurel]

They are already pretty much dying then you do these combos on them goddamn

[crisp heath]

I literally never hear about them dealing with anything

[median marsh]

Living with their dinosaurs

[queen laurel]

well, there's being so old and forgotten they have gathered enough dust to stop a bullet

[crisp heath]

Lololol

I refuse to forget them!!!

They're amazing and I love them lol

Lazer Dino riding space wood elves are the shit

[median marsh]

noone messes with em too because if they do they'll get fucked up by a craftworld the second word gets out

[crisp heath]

Lol yeah pretty much

You fuck with them you fuck with the crafts too almost always

[umbral nymph]

*me looking for something to print that i can use

suddenly:

WELP

i guess i found my new tumbler

srsly doh how is plasteel stored inside these things

[crisp heath]

Highly pressurized would be my guess

Or the container itself is plasteel, and they just pour it on molten, then screw a cap on lol

When they go to use it just chuck the whole thing in

🤷‍♂️ who knows

[tulip brook]

It's said that crux terminatus has a piece of emperor's armor and when a sm terminator falls in the battle, they put extra effort retrieving their left shoulder plate

[mild rapids]

Then Goto raging on a dawn of war forum when people said it was daft

[tulip brook]

it is retconned in a sense that returning loyalist primarch has one of the emperor's toys and lion has his shield which was a part of his armor, not a handheld shield

[quasi orbit]

maybe they put in multiple small bars of it. like the beskar cannister from the mandalorian

[willow sluice]

is this for the 40k lore

fill me up with all the lore you have

[celest dome]

Yes

No, go on youtube and watch lore videos

[willow sluice]

crab

write all the lore you know

everything

[outer wave]

No

[spare osprey]

We’ll start with a fan favorite

daemonculaba

[outer wave]

Okay sure

[storm jungle]

Not again.

[willow sluice]

yes

lets begin

who is deamon? who is culaba? we have to find out brother

[queen laurel]

who is gonna tell him?

[brisk vine]

Ask Fabius Bile

He'd be glad to show you

[tough haven]

You gotta give me a direction to take, like a faction or something, you cant just vaguely gesture to the entire universe and say "That"

If you really want I can start with the basic universe and shit

Like if you absolutely have no idea what direction you want to take

but I do like lore dumping soo

[summer mural]

why isnt cawl fabricator general of mars already

does the mechanicus hate him or find sus

[quasi orbit]

yes

[storm jungle]

Because it would create a literal civil war

this is like going "Why cant this person just be president"

because there will always be a massive amount of opposition against it.

[summer mural]

why cant cawl win the majority vote

[storm jungle]

Because Imperial politics are CRAP

[quasi orbit]

as are all politics

[summer mural]

he didnt do something sus did he

well

[storm jungle]

also Cawl doesn't want to be Fabricator General, and Guilliman would also not allow it

[summer mural]

publically

[storm jungle]

He did the worst crimes imaginable.

[summer mural]

chatting with trazyn?

[storm jungle]

aka be a normal person and say the mechanicus creed is cringe and invent stuff

[summer mural]

[tough haven]

I dont think he is?

[queen laurel]

Being a fabricator general is quite a restricting position, cawl would want as much freedom as possible to restore the mechanicus

[tough haven]

Pretty sure theres a whole section of genefather on why he shouldnt

[storm jungle]

Yeah he says so himself

[tough haven]

Also guilliman says that even if he wanted to, he would never be fabricator general

[storm jungle]

he literally says that one Lex Luthor quote from Justice League.

"Do you know how much power I would have to give up to be the President of the United States?"

which is lmao

but Cawl is more or less on that mindset

[queen laurel]

yeah why would he be bogged down by managing a lot of stuff if he could be the usual giga Chad making the most fun machinery in the world

[storm jungle]

pretty much

imperial bureucracy is YEET

[queen laurel]

freedom is a luxury in this Kingdom that worships a corpse

[radiant lance]

Do I need to read Warhammer 1 to 39,999 to understand 40k?

[storm jungle]

Kinda.

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/the-question-dc-jlu-browsing-internet-gif-11834468

[storm jungle]

Question™️ is the best Inquisitor

also a redditor

[spare osprey]

Love Question

[tough haven]

Not really, you just need a very basic understanding of the events lol

[umbral nymph]

Just came back to a guy saying post all 40k lore

i dont think discord can allow that many characters in one message

[outer wave]

We'd be here all day

[umbral nymph]

bro wed be here till next year

which is awseome cuz Space Marine 2 drops next year

[outer wave]

Oh its not a 2024 release?

[umbral nymph]

oh my bad was thinking of GTA

it is this year

but September

Still far

[outer wave]

Ah yeah pretty far regardless

[willow sluice]

do you guys think Michael Chandler can destroy the emperor

considering the fact that the emperor has never faced anybody that sees red

[tough haven]

Huh?

https://tenor.com/view/cat-huh-meme-gif-27557281

[willow sluice]

this is what i think

tell me your thought

[rocky gale]

I wonder when GW is going to release my darling Ushoran

All the speculators claimed he would be released for Christmas, but alas they spoke falsehoods

[tough haven]

Well I dont know who that is?

[queen laurel]

hey @storm jungle Is it just me or is it a warhammer tradition to basically have that orks that start their names with G are absolute monsters

[storm jungle]

No you are absolutely correct

[queen laurel]

It's actually a funny pattern now that I realize

[tough haven]

Of course

G is very orky letter

[celest dome]

Gork and Mork and all that

[outer wave]

Do you think their power is related to how many G's are in their name?

[queen laurel]

It's always the gits with the two G's that are fucking scary

Grimgor

Ghazghkull

Gorgutz

[outer wave]

What if they had a third G......

Maybe they'd be on the Beast's level

[tough haven]

The beasts real name has 6 g's

[queen laurel]

Ghaz has three

Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka

his full name

[outer wave]

Damn he needs a fourth G

[thorn zenith]

Finally after a long week or maybe more, i have finished rogue trader

With most of the party getting oofed in the ending slides

Now where is this toybox mod peoples been talking about, i wanna try different things

[green loom]

Workshop

[thorn zenith]

Cool, thank you

[queen laurel]

you can also try your luck in nexus

if you can't get the one in workshop working

[thorn zenith]

Yup, i will keep that in mind

[green loom]

Remember to read the install guide!

[willow sluice]

are you really a he/him?

[green loom]

Am I?

[willow sluice]

i am not sure

[crisp heath]

the pinkpilling is real

come to me for makeup tips

[winged jacinth]

Good thing discord fucked up search on mobile so bad i was gonna check if that was their first message

[crisp heath]

Lol I'm very late, finally crashed lolol. But I've always hated this. Like... from my understanding, the Imperium fights hella hard to get back terminator and Titan equipment anyway... throwing that out there just... idk. It just seems unnecessary, and also wasteful. Like, the Emperors armor was literally the absolute best armor ever made. Why break it down like that...

[crisp heath]

for the massive, holy drip my friend. for the massive, holy drip.

oh you mean why break the armor down in the first place? well i dunno, but it´s great that heretics are getting outfashioned

On the topic of Cawl being Fabricator General. I agree that he'd never take up the position or be allowed to, but! I think if he did, it would lead to a Renaissance in the mechanicus

[crisp heath]

Yea that. I hate all of that nugget of lore

[arctic talon]

New ethereal mini is a limited time store event mini

[crisp heath]

@willow sluice 1, pretty sure you're a troll. 2, no. Michael chandler would get his ass stomped, just like any other mixed martial artist going up against the Big E. Yes he has fought people who "can see red." You should read up on Horus.

Who would win, american fight boy or a 10 foot tall immortal wizard with a flaming sword

🤣 for real

[native geode]

can someone explain where the "lore" is? Like I see it in the games I play and hear people talk about it, but are there official books or timelines or, just a canon, I guess? Where can I dive right into the history and all sorts of different clans and etc? I've picked up on a lot but it's all by word of mouth and I feel like I am missing major stuff.

and yeah I know the basic timeline and all that, but where is that information stemming from?

[arctic talon]

The core rule book for warhammer 40K

And also the codex’s for the armies

Campaign books

Ect.

[tough haven]

There are books for sure, what are you interested in?

[native geode]

I'd like to know what I'm missing I guess, just where to find more general information about things I suppose. I'll look into the core rule book and the other aforementioned recommendations

[tough haven]

Its the actual books, which you do have to buy to access unfortunately

[crisp heath]

@native geode so the Black Library is where you will find all of the books online. There, you'll find everything from what @arctic talon mentioned, to actual full novels

[storm jungle]

• Rule books
• Codexes
• Novels

[crisp heath]

Also Lexi online is a good spot for a quick info nugget

Don't use the Wiki

@native geode you can also listen to most as audio books on audible

Which is usually a bit cheaper

I use my credits for them

And the narrations usually pretty dope

[vague flare]

Are pets allowed in the Imperium? Do normal cats and dogs still exist?

[crisp heath]

Yes, though I think they are fairly rare

Mostly kept by the nobility and the elite

But cats are a problem in some hives, along with rodents, and they can easily become pets

And on necromunda I know they have cyber augmented hounds

@vague flare

But as far as im aware as long as it's not some horrifying xenos, there's no laws on not having pets that I know of

Arkhan Land, of the Mechanicum, has a robotic monkey companion. Biological monkeys have been extinct for so long that scientific consensus is that their tails were used as a lash or a poison delivery device.

Yvraine, (an Eldar so take with a grain of salt) has some kind of pet spacecat.

[arctic talon]

Gryinx are kept as pets by imperials as well

They’re pretty cute

Also they really like psykers

[crisp heath]

I wasn't certain so I didn't want to give misinfo

[tropic linden]

since it is known how they came about, namely, a necromunda player asking GW if he could have the catgirls from the anime "dominion tank police" in the game, we actually know exactly what the felinids look like. and back then, GW was a rather different company, so they said sure man, we got you, and canonized anime catgirls. https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/34b55073-f010-42af-9b9f-b7ee0071b7cd/dcmobqa-7dcbf63b-955f-4785-a125-428179a5e255.png/v1/fit/w_814,h_544,q_70,strp/felinid_auxilia_by_a20t43c_dcmobqa-414w-2x.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9NTQ0IiwicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvMzRiNTUwNzMtZjAxMC00MmFmLTliOWYtYjdlZTAwNzFiN2NkXC9kY21vYnFhLTdkY2JmNjNiLTk1NWYtNDc4NS1hMTI1LTQyODE3OWE1ZTI1NS5wbmciLCJ3aWR0aCI6Ijw9ODE0In1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmltYWdlLm9wZXJhdGlvbnMiXX0.yLIJIVIee8CHqcYTunoeVsBrEpahB29-1kCZKxXmhzs https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/34b55073-f010-42af-9b9f-b7ee0071b7cd/dgigjpn-7bd0681f-98db-4f9f-80ad-ff97133d39ea.png/v1/fit/w_637,h_760,q_70,strp/cat_person_ogryn_by_a20t43c_dgigjpn-375w-2x.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9NzYwIiwicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvMzRiNTUwNzMtZjAxMC00MmFmLTliOWYtYjdlZTAwNzFiN2NkXC9kZ2lnanBuLTdiZDA2ODFmLTk4ZGItNGY5Zi04MGFkLWZmOTcxMzNkMzllYS5wbmciLCJ3aWR0aCI6Ijw9NjM3In1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmltYWdlLm9wZXJhdGlvbnMiXX0.25TsPPS3UF_ZmMIYU8-uXMsrZl8pfgBV61s6Smm77ec

just found it a fun fact

[rigid dune]

Does 40k universe have different types of music or is it all just church chants and stuff?

If guardsman john would like to listen to eurovision, would he be able to do that?

[celest dome]

It probably has "normal" music but they rarely are in the focus of the stories

[rigid dune]

Im thinking if "evil music" or something is something that the church would have outlawed

Like if you listen to something sus they take you

I mean, tuck tail in pants and hide ears in helm?

[arctic talon]

The kroot guy mentions they have claws the length of the rogue traders forearm

Along with the statement “all humans look about the same to me”

[tropic linden]

true, not to mention that the kroot may have been messing with him. or, it could be a case of author not knowledgable on them beyone the memes

[winged jacinth]

I always interpreted that bit as them tasting the same as humans lol

IIRC the felinids are supposed to be thundercats lmao

[green loom]

You've got to remember this is a Kroot, a race that comes in lots of shapes

[tropic linden]

and we cannot forget the variety of claw weapons the imperium uses. not impossible to have some claws that long added by wargear

[willow sluice]

i don't think you are very knowledgeable

[arctic talon]

Oh that could be the case lmao

[toxic hedge]

a crusher is basically as tanky and strong as a spesh marines right

[arctic talon]

Nah way less tanky bcs no power armor, def as strong as a marine though

[toxic hedge]

then rejects might as well be a squad of 4 derp marines with the feat they do anyhow

[arctic talon]

Nah we’re built better

We can survive a funny crusher horde

I’ve never heard of a marine surviving 25 ogryn in carapace armor at once in cqb

[rigid dune]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTD6q962W8w&ab_channel=MrMeowmers

[crisp heath]

@willow sluice lol I mean, ask around. I don't know everything but I know a bit about most. And have never claimed to knowledge I didn't have. That said, from this moment on you my friend shall not be served by my knowledge or lack there of. Have fun learning on your own.

[young pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/homeless-nah-id-win-gif-11399565856913576326

[crisp heath]

🤣

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/jogoat-gif-11996953865648686576

[crisp heath]

Lolol

Yall killing me

[arctic talon]

lol

[quick egret]

is there a place i can read up on commonly used non-combat technology and stuff in the setting? im really curious what sort of medical technology and household or everyday gadgets/appliances are used the 40k universe

[crisp heath]

Huh... https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page is the best place for random bits of information that's actually sourced. Never, ever trust wiki.

But otherwise... man... I'm honestly not certain on something like that

@quick egret

I doubt it's been shown much if at all in any real way

[quick egret]

thanks - i did poke around on Lexicanum but I couldn't find much 😦 that site seems to just have a lot of space marine things

[crisp heath]

That's honestly most of the fleshed out lore that can be sourced

[quick egret]

ah, fair 😔 I'm weird, lol - I like the mundane aspects of world building

[crisp heath]

Most of everything else can't be and is fan made or just assumptions and theories

@quick egret nah respect. I love that too. I just don't exactly know if this setting has shown much of that as of yet

[quick egret]

I'm a few chapters into the first Commisar Cain book and I'm loving all the little details here and there - like, they still use porcelain plates

[crisp heath]

That's probably your best bet honestly is just novels

With its and bits of info spliced here and there

Which sucks...

[quick egret]

I'm also a little hesitant to read a lot of the books because i've heard they can get kind of graphic/gorey and i prefer to avoid those ^^;

... i doooo want to read more about rowboat guillotine, though. he seems cool from the snippets I've seen here and there

[crisp heath]

They definitely can

I suggest audible as you can just use your credits and it's not really an expense

[quick egret]

yeah I got an audible subscription for christmas xD so I'll be reading a few of them, though I much prefer ebooks

[crisp heath]

Fair enough

Have you checked out their Black Library online?

[quick egret]

A little bit, yeah. I'm in the States, though, idk how that works

[crisp heath]

Should work fine I'd think

[versed ledge]

Why are there calls for female space Marines?

[green loom]

@storm jungle I know where people are getting the Lion voiceline from

[green loom]

Representation mostly

Not wanting them is fine but some people take it upon themselves to turn it into some woman hating crusade lol

[crisp heath]

Pretty much what emeritus said^

I don't honestly see a reason why they specifically can't exist

[toxic hedge]

SoB is basically female spesh merines tho

[crisp heath]

Not even close

[toxic hedge]

took bro 3 edit to get the close right

kekw

I read somewhere that if necron were to all wake up human will face a foe as numerous as their own, thats kinda crazy

considering they fought war in heaven + lose a bunch more shattering the ctan

[crisp heath]

There's a lot that goes into being a space marine. Like extreme modifications and so on. Sororitas don't have anything on them

And my bad for being high lol

[green loom]

Sororitas are also extremely limited character wise and not particularly relevant

[rocky gale]

The want for female Space Marines is because Space Marines are the poster boys of 40k, they're the most popular faction and the most represented in media and on the tabletop. You can say "But there's women over there in that faction" but when your largest faction specifically has a "No girls allowed" sign people are going to be bothered by that.

[crisp heath]

Yea, there's also that

[green loom]

Marines are homebrew central and extremely prevalent

[crisp heath]

And what larmouth said

There's a multitude of valid reasons to want them basically

[primal gate]

Representative of what? Modern sensibilities. Nothing to do with the story

[rocky gale]

The existence of women is not a modern sensibility

[crisp heath]

You understand that it's a product being sold. Correct?

@primal gate

[green loom]

I'm sure the lore would implode if Brothers Gribbidus was actually Sister Gribbida

[toxic hedge]

this convo again huh

[green loom]

Ikr

[primal gate]

Existence of women =/= women space marines

[crisp heath]

.... no, but their existence would bolster sales and bring more females into 40k

[green loom]

And that's what people want changed, yes

[crisp heath]

This^ lol

[primal gate]

In any other context, catering to sales would be seen as selling out and inauthentic

[crisp heath]

You don't have to agree, just telling you why people feel the way they do

[toxic hedge]

sure let cawl make primaris female space marines and retcon it in, it's w/e tbh

[green loom]

Dude

Lol

[crisp heath]

No, it'd be seen as the usual

[green loom]

Have you looked at the space marines range?

They're milking those mofos dry

GW are prime sellouts lmao

[primal gate]

It’s OK to be wrong

[crisp heath]

Then be ok

[green loom]

Even the lack of fem marines boils down to a lack of sales way back

[crisp heath]

My fat thumbs lolol

@green loom lol don't give them too many facts like that

Idk if they can handle it

[green loom]

Be fair ghost, swallowing the "lore is irrelevant" pill is difficult for most 40k fans

[primal gate]

No we need primitive space elves in swimsuit armor

[green loom]

I wouldn't mind Exodites

[crisp heath]

I mean... true. But nobody says it has to be irrelevant either. Idk why it's one way or the other, amd why people can't understand that as the product stands its built to turn away a female crowd

[primal gate]

Yeah, let’s get some scantily clad exodites

[arctic talon]

Exodites wear normal clothes though

Like normal eldar clothes

[green loom]

True

[crisp heath]

I literally have championed exodites in here for days I don't want to hear it lolol

[green loom]

I mean we do have wyches anyway

[primal gate]

Setting it’s built to turn away a female crowd is just saying 98% of their audience is male

[rocky gale]

I think the issue Xulld had with female space marines was that they wouldn't be able to ogle them

[crisp heath]

@primal gate no

I meant what I said

[arctic talon]

True

[crisp heath]

The writing itself is written to not be palatable that way. Its written as a man's jerk fest

Go on.

Say it's not

[primal gate]

The entire science-fiction dystopian space opera genre is dominated by male readership

[crisp heath]

Again, I don't understand how that matters?

How does them being mostly a male dominated space negate the fact that females can also be added in without damaging the structure?

[primal gate]

Matters to what your opinion well? it doesn’t and I don’t have to cater to your opinionI

[crisp heath]

No, your the opinionated ome saying women shouldn't be allowed

I'm asking why?

[primal gate]

These are facts which marginalize your opinion

[crisp heath]

My statements aren't marginalized. Most of the fan base agrees with me statistically. Which is what I've made statements about. You are the one stating opinions, and not only that, opinions in the minority that not many agree with

Doesn't matter if the fan base if male.

Females can be added

And it won't hurt anything

[primal gate]

I think it does matter that the fan bases is male and that it caters to men

[crisp heath]

Then it shouldn't matter if they decide to cater to women too

[primal gate]

You presented it in a very derogatory way a “jerk fest”, I am just translating that has caters to men

It doesn’t matter and that’s why it doesn’t matter

If women enjoy Warhammer 40 K, it is probably that they are more in line with the male power fantasy anyway so changing it doesn’t actually make sense catering to people usually comes across as in authentic

[crisp heath]

I mean, yea. Because, it was meant to be derogatory. Good catch. And my point is adding some females in will not hurt or harm that, which you have been in here fighting against and are now backing away from

I guarantee there are plenty that do

And plenty more if female space marines were added

[primal gate]

I’mnot fighting against anything I am simply stating facts. My wife doesn’t think female space marine sounds cool, so your opinion is just yours mine is mine my wife’s is hers but the audience is men does female, space marines, really cater to men I would think scantily clad elves would be better.

This entire push for representation is incredibly in authentic and doesn’t come from a creative place. It comes from a political place, and that in and of itself is a good reason to reject it.

[crisp heath]

Nobody said scantily clad elves. Why does a female space marine have to be beautiful?

Why can't she be a battered war vet covered in scars missing her hair ragged as fuck

[primal gate]

Do you want a cool female character look up interrogator Spinoza awesome character

Imperial fifth space marines respect her that’s cool that’s authentic

Fist*

[crisp heath]

Lolol right. So instead of giving people what they actually want distract with bullshit. I'm done with this convo. You're wrong and gw will do what makes them the most money, really simple as that

[primal gate]

Cool story

[green loom]

[toxic hedge]

you two are both equally cringe

[crisp heath]

And your a troll looking to stir shit. Go back to your bridge

[green loom]

[primal gate]

Hey, no hard feelings I think it was a nice chat

[toxic hedge]

guy just spent 30 minutes typing to another guy on discord to end up nothing, salty much

[crisp heath]

Lol nah, I just realized we'd never reach common ground.

[green loom]

I'll just say some people take issue with the creative limitation that marines can be only male

[primal gate]

And we don’t have to that’s the beauty of it. Who knows I could be wrong I love to be surprised.

[crisp heath]

He's welcome to his opinion. But really in this nothing either of us say will change anything. It's up to gw and how they decide to make money in the future.

I doubt very seriously it survives another decade without some changes though

[crisp heath]

Definitely

[green loom]

[crisp heath]

Who knows

[primal gate]

I don’t think space marines can only be male. I just think there’s a well-established lore and just adding them to add them would be inauthentic

[crisp heath]

I can agree with that

There'd have to be good writing to weasel them in

[green loom]

It's not like marines are paragons of consistency

[crisp heath]

This is also very true

[green loom]

Or 40k in general

[primal gate]

I personally think games work shop leans too heavily on space marines

[crisp heath]

I definitely agree with that

[green loom]

What gave it away

[crisp heath]

I wish more depth was placed on the actual imperium itself. That said, they are starting to really branch more into the necron. And the Eldar have some really good stories too

[winged jacinth]

This guy forgot that the big shakeup in the model line was the in-lore lost impossible feat of space marines but better

That was probably a good opportunity to add lady marines

[echo vault]

Guys look totally legit proof of skaven in 40k

[quick egret]

I'm more interested in the joe and jane average trying to make their way in the grim dark future, not the genetically engineered super soldiers xD

[echo vault]

That's why plastic solar auxilia is hype

The heresy will now involve the normal people, without forge world resin

One of the premiere characters of the auxilia is like this super old war general that's like a normal guy in an exo suit essentially

MaSade

[rocky gale]

Like I said earlier, Space Marines are basically the main faction, so in terms of public perception it puts them under a greater spotlight for things like representation.

So the solution is basically either stop putting the Space Marines on a pedestal or add women to the Space Marines and they're unlikely to ever stop making Space Marines the main focus because Space Marines sell big.

(I don't care either way tbh, I just understand why it's an issue)

[green loom]

Ma(rquis) (de) Sade

[burnt maple]

Show me those stats. And by the love of the Emperor, do not pull them from twitter or so, Lord Upon the Golden Throne help me.

Your ramblings are harmful. While warhammer isn't, shouldn't, won't be male only, space marines are, should be. Why?

They are the only faction that represents masculinity, brotherhood, paternal values to a degree - and been doing it for decades.
We've got great female-focused factions, which are arguably stronger, than the Astartes. The problem lies in how poster-boy are the space marines.

Women enjoy warhammer, space marines as they are. They advocate against this change, because they understand both the HOBBY as a whole and a singular FACTION.

It is on gw, that for example Sororitas do not have the variety the Astartes have. It is not the fault of Space Marines and as such you should not alter them.

[green loom]

That's a take

I've seen worse though

[burnt maple]

Like all this woke shit? I agree.

[green loom]

2nd half of paragraph 3 isn't exactly true
4th paragraph is what one defines as "hypocrisy", as you are doing what you're slamming him for

But at least you're not yapping about women being inferior

[burnt maple]

Which saddens me greatly.

[burnt maple]

To even mention it...

[rocky gale]

Women aren’t a monolith though, some want the change, some oppose it, some don’t care.

[green loom]

You'd be surprised

[burnt maple]

Don't.

Just don't.

[green loom]

Don't what, I'm saying I'm glad you didn't make an argument as banal as some I've seen lel

[burnt maple]

Do not insult me by even humoring such an idea coming from my keyboard.

[green loom]

I mean you did literally respond to
"No one agrees with you, everyone agrees with me"
With
"Nuh uh, everyone agrees with me, no one agrees with you"

[burnt maple]

Sigh I knew I shoul've stayed silent.

Raving lunatics would speak their piece and universe would be back normal.

Don't put words in my mouth that I did not utter.

A single instance I indicated EVEN majority of people agreeing with me,

Do show me that.

[burnt maple]

Oh? And where did I speak of majority of women?

[green loom]

I'd check your vocabulary

[burnt maple]

Do.

Fucking.

Not.

[green loom]

You do you pal

[burnt maple]

I am not entitled to speak of majority, as I do not know if it is true. But I do know there are women who - as I said - enjoy it all, as it is.

[rocky gale]

When you say “women” without an indicator of quantity such as “some” you inherently imply all

[burnt maple]

Poor things, you.

Alas, seeing you read HOW YOU WANT TO READ, I bid thee farewell.

[green loom]

Take a class on semantics or use of English ig

[burnt maple]

Funny you say that.

[green loom]

In hell because they're very limited customization wise

[sacred ginkgo]

the carry handle on that bolter got me

[green loom]

Ikr

[sacred ginkgo]

It would absolutely snap the second you used it but hooray for a decent sight on a bolter finally

If you ever feel useless remember that they put iron sights on the Plasma Gun

[gray umbra]

Theyre pretty nice sights too

[sacred ginkgo]

but entirely useless once you fire the gun once

[gray umbra]

Hey if the stc says it goes, it goes lol

[sacred ginkgo]

My weapon customization mod plasma that can no longer be recognized as a weapon:

[spark nebula]

Looks like riot armor from fallout new vegas

Actually
No that's definitely the inspiration

[storm jungle]

You should see the rest of his Chapter's range

the dreadnaughts are just titanfall mechs for some reason lol

also just... why

LMAO

[sacred ginkgo]

wow they are

except for leftmost

[green loom]

Don't forget the AK lasguns

[sacred ginkgo]

The peace symbol actually got me

there is no conciveable way that survived into the 41st

[storm jungle]

Yeah like no offense

the art style is good but like this has to be the most un-40k stuff ive seen where he just added anything he thinks looks cool

[sacred ginkgo]

the vietnam m16 bolter is kind of funny

battleline leftmost

[storm jungle]

its so cursed that it ALMOST works before your brain tells you to stop and goes "no it doesnt"

[sacred ginkgo]

I also don't think there is any real point to supressing a bolter considering the bullets explode

[odd palm]

There's a variety of ammo

[sacred ginkgo]

oh dear god the tec-9 bolters

[storm jungle]

God this is so bad

the more i look at it 💀

[sacred ginkgo]

Taste the Sun melta is pretty good

most of the armor lines are good

[storm jungle]

[sacred ginkgo]

Primaris bolter with the mounted Virtual Boy

[storm jungle]

LMAO

https://tenor.com/view/max-virtual-boy-virtual-boy-nintendo-gif-25932777

[sacred ginkgo]

Guy with the double grav chute is also kind of great

[tulip brook]

that's a standard scope for infiltrators tho

[storm jungle]

yeah but it doesnt stop it from looking goofy

Primaris btw

[sacred ginkgo]

what the actual hell is this supposed to be

[storm jungle]

Hotshot looks like from the cabling

but again like... why

[sacred ginkgo]

got the plasma gun butt thing, ak foregrip, boltgun receiver(?), and hotshot gun cable

[storm jungle]

OH MY GOD YOU ARE RIGHT

holy fuck this thing is ugly

[green loom]

The plasma thing is on them normally I think

[storm jungle]

the hotshots ends are usually stockless/blank iirc

[tulip brook]

ak gas chamber?

[storm jungle]

yeah so he just made it look like a plasma cylinder

for some reason lol

[tulip brook]

bullet ejection for las rifle?

[storm jungle]

god i hate the updated model even more now

[green loom]

I smurt

[sacred ginkgo]

Actual question, why do astartes shotguns even exist, boltguns chamber like .75 to 1 inch shells anyway

[storm jungle]

simple

it looks cool

[green loom]

Shotguns are cool

[storm jungle]

[sacred ginkgo]

just swap to a buckshot magazine

[sacred ginkgo]

yes

but

nitpicking

[green loom]

I rather like the Kasrkin

Though their maska are a bit

Smooshed

[sacred ginkgo]

But going back to the dreadnoughts looking like Titanfall mechs the rightmost is just straight up Northstar with a missile rack

[normal light]

Tried to look up colours for CSM Sorcerer on GW site…

There are none now…

Why?

https://tenor.com/view/signalis-signalis-game-gif-5833267168442234351

[tulip brook]

Out of all the stuff biggest sin is the color scheme. They'll look like black blobs on tabletop

[winged jacinth]

The astartes have shotguns?? Boltguns can fire specialized rounds which is the last reason shotguns are used in modern combat for lol

[green loom]

In fairness it's mostly used by scouts

And deathwatch

[normal light]

And they look cool

Cause yeah rule of cool

[winged jacinth]

Honestly with what we know of boltguns i bet you could make a bolt round that behaves exactly like any shotgun shell

[sacred ginkgo]

Yes, scouts have them most often

these things

[winged jacinth]

Its kinda funny in a universe where the most common horror scene is "oh no our bullets arent working! "

That is kinda sick

Rifle grip with no stock is funny

[normal light]

Don’t question logic in terms of 40k

[sacred ginkgo]

more modern reference

[winged jacinth]

I love that this one has not just classic wooden AK furniture, but the AK gas tube lol

[sacred ginkgo]

on a laser no less

[winged jacinth]

For all that reciprocating lasguns do

And the gas they emit

[green loom]

I hope it ain't real wood

Lasguns already scorch you

Can't imagine hotshots are too friendly to it

[winged jacinth]

Tanith lasguns have canon wooden furniture, even their longlas-es

The ones that get hot enough to need barrel swaps

[green loom]

[winged jacinth]

Fireproof wood invented in the dark age of technology

[green loom]

I think vostroyans also have wood furniture?

But these are also hot shots

[sacred ginkgo]

entire wooden bodies

[storm jungle]

in that case though they are master-crafted and fit the aesthetic

then you got this guy

"idk AK"

[green loom]

I went when I saw the vostroyan Lasguns in RT

[sacred ginkgo]

Oh god I am just imagining what would happen if you used the stupid triple stacked magazines with an AK

[winged jacinth]

Honestly not being gunderstanders is the least of 40k accuracy sins

I love that they dodged some of the scale challenges simply by saying "space is magic actually"

Oh i guess that's a homebrew chapter

Those look at least drawn by a gun-looker-atter at least

Holy shit... i went looking for the gun cues and really looked at the rest of the picture

[storm jungle]

I still cannot get over one of the auxillas just looking like a taliban member

also just... titanfall titans as dreadnaughts

💀

[winged jacinth]

Yeah those would get GW sued if they made em lol

The ninja guy

[storm jungle]

Yeah LOL

[sacred ginkgo]

ah yes lets just occlude all of my vision

[winged jacinth]

"We have legion of the damned guys and also space wolf guy but maybe more like goths?

[storm jungle]

^

this comes across more as a kitchen sink than an actual chapter

[winged jacinth]

Space marines with what appear to be Tec 9s?

[storm jungle]

YEAH

Also like... a vietnam war aesthetic which just looks goofy as fuck

ironic because Catachan exists and they do it without being cringe lol

[sacred ginkgo]

we even have the Astartes Grade Cheese Grater

[green loom]

I like some of the tacticool designs ngl

[winged jacinth]

They combined vietnam with like, near future military type stuff

[storm jungle]

^

which you know

[winged jacinth]

Its not all bad

[storm jungle]

doesnt really work too well

[sacred ginkgo]

it is really neat looking

[winged jacinth]

I like some of the ideas there just so many funny bits
Its drawn really well too!

[sacred ginkgo]

but if you look a bit it starts looking silly and or weird

[winged jacinth]

The heavy bolter that's a SAW is a fun perspective slip up

The handle is pure magic

[sacred ginkgo]

that would snap instantly

[sacred ginkgo]

Alright these two together is slightly heretical

[winged jacinth]

I just saw there's a SECOND NINJA

[sacred ginkgo]

you can't just use that thing

[winged jacinth]

Nah that's fine besides scythes being death guard coded

[storm jungle]

the rice farmer hat more or less confirms this guy is american

i mean the taliban auxillary was a close hint but still

[winged jacinth]

The techmarines peace sign looks a little chaotic

[sacred ginkgo]

Most of the text on the armor and weapons is kind of funny

Taste the SUN on the melta

[winged jacinth]

The taliban auxilia with the scimitar is probably the funniest because its SO out of place

[storm jungle]

I KNOW

LMAO

like that is peak "this artist is a western dude"

[green loom]

See I want to say "that's tallarn"

[winged jacinth]

I feel like i know the person who drew this personally at this point

[sacred ginkgo]

now that I look at it this looks very close to an xcom operative running on standard gear

minus the

gun(?)

[storm jungle]

yeah like, 40k has such an aesthetic

the moment you see shit like this

you go "Yeah this doesnt work"

[green loom]

I think it's mostly the colour scheme and guns

[storm jungle]

its the gear for me

its way too modern

[normal light]

Lasgun with AK handguard

[tulip brook]

He definitely took stuff from internet that looks cool, tried to make it 40k and used the paint scheme

[storm jungle]

^

prob the best way to put it

[green loom]

No he draws everything

If that's what you meant

[winged jacinth]

The guns really look like something that would be going through army trials in a few years

[sacred ginkgo]

the magazine and receiver look like bolter parts

but it also looks like perspective issue

[normal light]

Wait

It has a vent like Plasma Gun

[sacred ginkgo]

thats a hotshot thing

[winged jacinth]

Very visible influences rather than plagarism

[sacred ginkgo]

the straight up Northstar:

[normal light]

Armor gives straight UNSC Marines vibe

[green loom]

He does do a lot of halo art

[storm jungle]

^

oh man

that explains so much

lmao

[normal light]

Indeed

[green loom]

I can give you his twutter

[storm jungle]

UNSC / Imperium are like peak opposites aesthetic wise

[green loom]

Though I'm sure you have it already dilara

[storm jungle]

Lmao nah

[green loom]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-impossible-marvel-shocked-gif-15104180

[storm jungle]

i came across this once and the moment i saw the taliban auxillary i just "Not interested in this" it

[queen laurel]

Unsc looks like Starship Troopers and imperium very closely looks like an under equipped American drafted soldier

[tulip brook]

I just want someone to paint this scheme and cry

[green loom]

He's called Graffiti Soul

https://vxtwitter.com/TheGraffitiSoul/status/1741501139047342495?t=OtiwXNWA9r22u81e0Ha5uQ&s=19

[queen laurel]

Everyone look she doesn't have the thing on her collection screenshot it

[sacred ginkgo]

imperium looks like colonial marines

[storm jungle]

nah but the early guardsmen did

they moved away from that later on

[sacred ginkgo]

atleast cadians still do

[storm jungle]

Cadians also moved away from that

the earliy artwork versions REALLY looked like it tho so

[sacred ginkgo]

makes a lot of sense though

[queen laurel]

Probably the most original thing GW made would be these guys at the end of the day, the rats of New York

[green loom]

I love stormvermin with halberss

[normal light]

It’s time to expand Under-Empire

[queen laurel]

Hellpit abominations no question

[normal light]

For the Great Horned Rat

[sacred ginkgo]

Live U5 reaction:

[normal light]

Skaven with poison mortars, flamethrowers and machine guns.

[normal light]

Those AK (Draco) like las guns feel out of place

[queen laurel]

Clan skrye and Clan Moulder making the Stormfiend is Peak

[green loom]

Tbh I wish I was this good an artist

[normal light]

Indeed

[tulip brook]

Now I want to make a deldar proxy from this guy

[normal light]

Huh?

[sacred ginkgo]

After playing RT chapter 3 I can solidly say that works

just make it less rat like and you're set

[queen laurel]

oh yeah @storm jungle, can Warpstone exist in warhammer 40K?

[storm jungle]

Nope, its not a thing

like hardened warp energy exists (like Assail psyker darts) but Skaven Warpstone is not a thing

[normal light]

No precious warpstone, NO.

https://tenor.com/view/sad-no-disappear-sad-noob-gif-24308846

[queen laurel]

oh shucks, but I can basically just replicate it by somehow finding a way to condense warp energy right?

[storm jungle]

pretty much

[normal light]

First you create warpstone

[green loom]

There's ways to harden things

[normal light]

Than with power of Tzeentch you create Rat-Man

[green loom]

Is this an innuendo? Yes!

[queen laurel]

multiple ideas just popped into my head for home brew, thanks inquisitor

[normal light]

Selling warp dust?

[sacred ginkgo]

Sadly I think skaven would be way to similar to the orks to get introduced to 40k, both have technology held together with boards and twine that only works for them and both have no real motivation besides fight people and/or steal things

[normal light]

As psychic active drug

[normal light]

Imperium = Skaven

Literally

[sacred ginkgo]

Damnit that works

Like

[green loom]

I like stormvermin

[sacred ginkgo]

Really well

[queen laurel]

no I'm going to make a condensed warp crystal obliterator engine for my Warboss personal tank

[normal light]

Just would be nice to see Rat-Man back

[normal light]

HUH

[queen laurel]

I mean they are still in AOS at least

[normal light]

Many Weirdboyz you need

[normal light]

I mean Beastman are in 40k

So why don’t any Skaven?

As a mutant

[queen laurel]

Don't worry I have all the characters I need to ******** that into existence

[sacred ginkgo]

Ratlings

[normal light]

Ratlings are just Halflings

[sacred ginkgo]

Yeah

[normal light]

With different name

I mean real Skaven

[sacred ginkgo]

But anything rat shaped would get shot on birth

Beastmen already cut it close

[normal light]

Beastman served in Astra Militarum

[queen laurel]

their entire parts have been taken, faulty technology?
yes
unbelievably ugly abominations?
yes
backstabbing anything that can think?
yes

Lot of the factions in warhammer 40k fulfilled their niche

[tulip brook]

40k should fix their factions before adding a totally new one imo

[normal light]

And they don’t have to be born in Imperium

[normal light]

I don’t opt for Skaven to be a new faction

[queen laurel]

One thing I would suggest fixing for orks is definitely the WAAAAAGGGGGH, fans don't understand that it has a limit

Other than that they're fine

[normal light]

Just make them as some unit for Chaos

[queen laurel]

They're practically perfect besides that one minor flaw

the entire part where the fans think they can bend reality

[normal light]

Yeah Wagh having limit is shit idea

[sacred ginkgo]

They can bend it like you bend a steel pipe

Really hard to do by yourself

[queen laurel]

Yes it has a limit and they need something to work off of

[sacred ginkgo]

But grab some friends and it starts to be possible

[queen laurel]

Will only be lucky if you have the blue paint applied on something

[normal light]

Also Eldars need fixing

[tulip brook]

Eldar, generic csm, sm, nids have a lot of variety problems

[normal light]

By that you mean?

They have a lot of units that they don’t use?

Or what?

[crisp heath]

Lol wow, glad I was afk for that. You handled it better than I would have. Dude was just looking for a fight to keep the 80s around.

[storm jungle]

Anyone that uses the term "woke" is automatically sus

[crisp heath]

@storm jungle 🤣

[sacred ginkgo]

Basically yeah

[storm jungle]

like

its legit so outdated and cringe as a word that its an instant red-flag

[queen laurel]

It's definitely a warrant of execution in the imperium

A Guardsman says woke and he gets shot

[crisp heath]

I just dont see change as necessarily bad if done right, and everybody that is so violently against it... idk... just doesn't seem to be a good look

[green loom]

On that note, cool take on marines I found per cool artist

[crisp heath]

Seen many a brother get the cimmisar treatment for it.

I myself don't remember how I died.

I may have been one of them

[sacred ginkgo]

Hey I just woke u- BANG

[crisp heath]

🤣

[rose thorn]

🍿

[crisp heath]

Yea... like calling them paragons of masculinity and that being the reason to keep them as they are forgets all the reasons why you shouldn't model masculinity off 80s culture and this franchise

[dire apex]

Certainly not enviable depictions of masculinity but they are certainly designed to be that way, the generic standard space marine chapter culture is ripped straight from orders of battle monks like knights Templar or hospitallers

[crisp heath]

Oh for sure

[green loom]

There's another comment below those two that basically says this yeah

They're meant to be unhealthy

Which makes people venerating them all the more concerning

[dusk patrol]

Y'all taking the funny space men way too seriously again.

Its supposed to be dumb and not realistic, no shit it would actually suck to be any of these people.

Its still cool.

[crisp heath]

Nah, see that's the thing. Lol most of us can talk about this without it being all that serious

It's usually the guys who are violently against it taking it to heart

[dusk patrol]

I don't actually wish that my workplace would get robbed but I still have random day dreams of it being robbed and me stopping it.

[crisp heath]

Lol I've been there honestly

[dusk patrol]

Its extremely common.

[crisp heath]

It helps pass the time

[dusk patrol]

We like to think of a more "ideal" or interesting version of ourselves

Space Marines are an easy thing to project yourself on, as is plenty of stuff in 40k. Its a dumb power fantasy or whatever.

[crisp heath]

In my head I'm chuck norris and Bruce Lee's long lost love child, taken at an early age and hidden away until the moment my destiny calls

In real life.... I game lol

I work.

I sleep.

I repeat

[green loom]

Man I usually dream of falling out a window lmao

[crisp heath]

🤣 you need to spice up your dreams man

[green loom]

Well that, falling down a flight of stairs, being stabbed, bludgeoned

Etc. Etc.

[crisp heath]

OK... maybe less spice... more fun?

[green loom]

Probably not healthy now that I think about it

[crisp heath]

Idk man... maybe just therapy?

[green loom]

Electro shock sounds fun!

[crisp heath]

I hear that's more a kink than a therapy now

[green loom]

To the chair I go

[crisp heath]

Shrugs until he notices the inquistorial agent Ahem I highly must suggest otherwise sir! Such operations.... tend to be viewed as unsightly, heathen even. Wouldn't want anyone thinking your a slaaneshi cultist, niw would we, sir?

[dapper loom]

to be presented at a later date without context

[crisp heath]

Pfft

They're already collecting evidence sir!

You must work on your plea, hurry!

Pray to the God-Emperor they have mercy upon you, that you may survive interrogation to serve once more.

[tulip brook]

Nws, he will repent as a fax machine

[sleek tusk]

Kind of a weird question but what do they do when they reach the top? Like does the emperor hold court/say hello? Or do they just bow and then leave or get sacrificed as breakfast lol

[crisp heath]

Actually, I don't think they can

[green loom]

They say what they came to say, maybe get a nod or response, and leave

[crisp heath]

They stop short

But that basically ^

[green loom]

This is 30k still so the psychic stuff isn't that overbearing

[crisp heath]

Ahhhh

Gotcha

[green loom]

Nowadays, it's so painful to be anywhere near him, that the entire planet is like a burning fire to eldar
Custodes standing guard in his chambers have the thoughts burned out of their minds by the sheer psychic weight

[sleek tusk]

Bro imagine travelling through the warp, getting PTSD and 60 flavors of depression, spending generations of your family savings, sacrificing a friend or 2 and then getting a nod

[crisp heath]

Basically like standing in the room with a navigators eye open times a million

[green loom]

If you're seeking an audience with him you're probably a Terran big shot

[sleek tusk]

hmm true

[crisp heath]

Not only that, but it's also a nod from your literal God figure (ish) about your deepest burning question. Not only that, your audience with him basically ensures your status and your families status

No matter what happens

Simply cause you met the guy

[green loom]

In 30k it's probably just a report/order from your boss

[sleek tusk]

Ik but it seems such a hassle lmao

[storm jungle]

To be fair, even these days thats how most meetings with high society people go. These people don't care about your time and they see thousands of people like you, they just give a good enough reply (if they even wanna bother with that) and bid you fare well, its the ultimate irony of people in high places lol

[crisp heath]

But like, humanities most important boss ever

[green loom]

Look in fan art brw

[crisp heath]

@storm jungle big facts

Pfft

[green loom]

At the same time it's kind of a case of "be normal or else" with him back then

[crisp heath]

That's very true lolol

[sleek tusk]

There has to be a point in time where a bunch of ogryns visited and were like o_O O_o

[crisp heath]

Oh I'm sure big e loved the big boys as much as we do

How could he not?

[green loom]

Ironically he probably really hated them

[crisp heath]

(Except he violently hated all mutants except psychers)

[sleek tusk]

Idk man big e feels like everything but stable

[green loom]

His big thing is the "purity" of the human Race

[crisp heath]

Lolol I really want to believe one big lovable oaf really got through to him though lol

That's a story I need

How an ogryn teaches the big e about mutant acceptance

[sleek tusk]

Big E just grants him the honorary "Mascot of Humanity" title , and you now see him at all official propaganda parades just standing there with his shiny medal

[crisp heath]

Dude the ogryn would die of happiness

Give him a shiny star before he has a heart attack

[sleek tusk]

bro can u imagine the bragging rights that ogryn would have around other ogryns

[crisp heath]

🤣

[supple wedge]

Still can't count to 4 but he knows He emprahs favooort, farva, fravoo, darn it he likes me most!

[crisp heath]

🤣 yes!

[supple wedge]

I opened a debate with a friend the other night about ogryn, what do you think would make one happier? Unlimited rashuns whenever they wanted them, or as many gold stars as they wanted to put on their armour?

They can reapply the gold stars after every battle**

[storm jungle]

Whatever you can do to manipulate a dumb person to be happy.

[supple wedge]

Soldiers are tools doesn't matter if they're a space marine or fresh recruit they'll all die serving the emprah

Ogryns will be the happiest about it which brings a bit of comfort to the whole slaves to the imperium side of it

[storm jungle]

Or just stop being that and go off to do their own thing

theres a literal warhammer crime series about this thing

[supple wedge]

Would that classify as heresy? Refusing to serve

[storm jungle]

I mean yes

the Imperium is a fascist-authoritarian regime lol

you dont get to say "no"

[supple wedge]

So die for the emperor or be killed by the emperor is the choice I hear

[storm jungle]

Very much "You are with us or against us"

[supple wedge]

I dunno it's a whole dark ass universe the ogryns are mostly oblivious to, they don't understand they're being manipulated into dying but I'd say it's better than being conscious that you're forced to die

It's two sides of the same very f-ed up coin

[storm jungle]

They pretty much got the mind of a child since they are purposefully not educated.

so that checks out

[supple wedge]

Oh I wasn't aware they could be educated

I thought even the smartest ogryns could count to 4 and barely remember their own name

Bone-ead implants change that significantly ofc

[storm jungle]

Ogryns can learn, they are still humans, their gigantism doesn't make them automatically dumb.

its like i said just that if they learned more than they should they'd realise they are basically slave soldiers to a certain degree lol

[supple wedge]

From what I've heard it's the way they've evolved to their world, increase size and muscle but they didn't need the really complex brain for tribes of less than 20~

But I could be wrong I'm no ogryn dictionary

[storm jungle]

Pretty much, Ogryns are useful as heavy shock troopers, the Imperium doesn't require them to be smart. Because when you are smart, you think. And when you think, you start questioning stuff.

[supple wedge]

The classic imperium line of "To question is to doubt"

[storm jungle]

YEP

[sacred ginkgo]

And when the ten foot tall wall of flesh that can dissect a terminator with its hands and thinks with them first, dealing with its questions is a difficult and potentially expensive adventure

[summer mural]

Is the Warhammer card game any good

[supple wedge]

Better for their commanding officer to tell them "the emperor needs you to meet him in his golden palace, go into that field of space marines and start a fight"

[storm jungle]

DONT DO IT

[summer mural]

Awww, I was considering downloading

[sacred ginkgo]

The problem with that is that the ogryn might actually kill a few and then said commanding officer gets shot

[supple wedge]

I mean I've heard of one killing a single space marine but multiple firing from around him, idk ogryn hits hard but he's still just meat

Very possible for a couple but oggy not that strong

[sacred ginkgo]

assuming they don’t squad fire point blank it ogryns are very capable of killing space marines in melee

[supple wedge]

Oh yea I was referring to space marines just going NYC cop on that ogryn

40 shots close range no warning

[summer mural]

Ogryns are indeed stronger than your average space marine, but being physically stronger does not amount to much when it comes to beating one in a fight, marines are much smarter, better trained, quicker, better equipped and could probably talk an ogryn into jumping off a cliff by convincing them they are being disloyal

[sacred ginkgo]

Also that

[supple wedge]

Heretics meeting their 16th bullgryn circa 31640: ^^

[summer mural]

It's not just that ogryns are well suited physically to being shock troopers, it's also that they can't really do much else the way they are, even telling them to go charge a point and defend it requires their superiors to order them in the simplest possible terms and not complicate it

Our ogryn is probably a sharper one, solving auspex puzzles at record speeds and whatnot

[supple wedge]

I think the auspex puzzle is that simple FOR the ogryn

They train day and night while not on mission to press button when yellow are together

Now I can't help but imagine an ogryn trying to service an engine to the exact mechanicum rituals

I think his head would literally explode

[crisp heath]

Dereliction of duty, absent without leave, conscription evasion, mutiny, and plain insubordination are all real world and 40k examples of the illegality of a soldier not being where they are supposed to be or refusing to do what they've been ordered.

And all of which are, in the eye of the Imperium, traitorous and heretical

[celest dome]

I still think we need to have Brunt as Vocator during Auspex mission parts

[crisp heath]

And all of which will catch you a bullet

[summer mural]

Brunt should be a Vocator I agree

The best vocator dialogue I find are hadron and kayex, and morrow and wolfer

[supple wedge]

So to the average conscript they're being forced to die for the emperor, ogryns are too dumb to understand the danger so they're persuaded and lied to, ogryns get it the best as they're happy even as they're dying they truely believe they're serving the emperor

[crisp heath]

Many yes, though many fight with zeal

That's how "miracles" occur on the battlefield

[summer mural]

Having two techpriests discuss how their voxes got hacked during the obscura den ambush is hilarious 😂

[crisp heath]

Most I think are so indoctrinated they're happy to go to war, at least till they get there, to be in service

And also to leave their hives and homeworld

[summer mural]

Then there's the Kreigsmen, literally fighting and dying in the millions because of guilt

[crisp heath]

No matter ogryn or regular guard

[supple wedge]

Smh one probably installed prohibited BBW Hereticography vox caster content from some sketchy data terminal

[crisp heath]

Like, think of the Cadian Stand. Them dudes weren't being forced to fight like that

Their stand is admirable because they stood for so long

Even as the world shattered around them, lasgun bolts shot into space.

[supple wedge]

Average Loser Kriegsman: Bwaahhhhh I failed my duty now I'll do all I can to die for my mistake wahh wahhh

Chad Ogryn: Emprah need me to smash the heretics until I can meet him in his golden house!!

[summer mural]

Well information about the warp is kept quite secret, even to the guardsmen, that shit aint flying with the cadians, they can just look up and see the eye of terror , so they also doubly understand the importance of not letting cadia fall

I assume.

[crisp heath]

So like, many of the regular guard are just as happy, if not more so then ogryns to chop xenos, mutants and heritics

[crisp heath]

That's a fair statement, but I still think most follow my train of thought

Though as grim dark as 40k is, there's definitely millions being forced into the meat grinder too

That do not want to be there

[summer mural]

Well they probably understand that the entire imperium is entirely relying on them

[crisp heath]

Exactly, or are at least indoctrinated into thinking as such

[summer mural]

But yes, of course everyone is indoctrinated into giving up their lives for the emprah, some just have more reason to believe it's a good idea than others

[crisp heath]

Lol basically

[summer mural]

The ecclesiarchy is a hell of a thing

[mild rapids]

I think some of the conversations say player ogryns are bone eads which is a modification that slightly boosts intelligence

[celest dome]

Only 1 has the implant (But it may not work). Of the other two, 1 wants it, the other think it's beneath him

[storm jungle]

^

The one with the implant is also the dumbest one so lol

[celest dome]

Bully is the one that doesn't want it iirc

I always forget which is which

[storm jungle]

its the Bully

hes ironically the smartest one next to the Bodyguard while being very violent lol

[summer mural]

Oh I thought all of em were boneheads

[celest dome]

Nah, FS had the Ogryn not be as dumb as memes and old lore had them

[summer mural]

So which one has the implant

[celest dome]

Brawler I think

[summer mural]

That's the sah one right

[celest dome]

Not sure, I have a Bully

[summer mural]

The one who has a bromance with the vet

I have a bully too

As far as I can tell, there's one who's always going yes sah no sah, the bully is the one who calls everyone runt and the other one is a Slavic dude

[storm jungle]

yeah thats him

[summer mural]

Bully is scary

I wish he was nicer

I'm not convinced bully is a softie at all

[storm jungle]

You can see that when he actually rarely shows it

like one moment hes threatening to leave you behind the other is him telling you to get up and show them you are stronger

its definitely a great ogryn character, people are way too used to the "dumb gentle brute"

[summer mural]

I just pick em based on whose voice I like

But boy oh boy did cutthroat vet surprise me

Those dialogues are absolutely 🔥

Especially if you take voice of command and hear him go "I WANNA HEAR THEM SCREAM!!!"

[umbral nymph]

yeah im guilty of as soon as I hear "GET IN THERE", immdietly switches to melee and joins the Zealot

9 times out of 10 our HP drops to 20 gunners suddenly spawning

[crisp heath]

Isn't one of the ogryns mods literally cooking its brain?

I could of swore I remember hearing something like that

[celest dome]

Yup, it's the implant

[crisp heath]

Lol that's what I thought lolol

[celest dome]

But to be fair, we don't know it it really work

[crisp heath]

No I mean, like because it's misfiring, it's literally cooking his brain. As in you can smell the burnt meat