wow snyder really made this movie
#40k-lore-chat
spring cairn
storm jungle
the designers pretty much just saw google images of star wars and 40k and stole from it more or less.
green loom
The issue is basically 40k fans are hilariously media illiterate, so basic fascist themeing flies over their head straight to "40k ripoff"
storm jungle
those people act as if 40k itself is any creative
remember when the Dune movie came out and they were like "WAOW THIS IS JUST LIKE 40K"
YEAH NO SHIT
💀
green loom
Like 40k itself isn't just a worse LOTR esque collection of crappy tropes
So yeah tldr 40k fans are stupid, what else is new
storm jungle
id say "general" 40k fans
the same ones who go to every 40k youtube video to spam the same old copy-paste shit
umbral nymph
Brings to mind those "Starcraft ripped of 40K" crowd back in the day.. i wast even aware what 40k is back then
spring cairn
youtube comments are the bottom of the barrel for any fanbase tbh
for anything really, not just fanbases
it's just the bottom
green loom
the same ones who go to every 40k youtube video to spam the same old copy-paste ...
Hey dilara, this video you posted reminds me of the Chad Tyberos the Red Wake, who's 12 feet tall and wears modified dreadnought armour, and wields the modified power claws of corvus corax himself!
queen laurel
the same ones who go to every 40k youtube video to spam the same old copy-paste ...
me watching Warhammer fans be so unfunny and unoriginal ( they need it to live )
green loom
It's funny that virtually no one knows about the actual primarch sized marine
storm jungle
Hey dilara, this video you posted reminds me of the Chad Tyberos the Red Wake, w...
something-something uhhhh
Rylanor Chadrite something-something
wojak Fulgrim crying
queen laurel
wojak Fulgrim crying
i genuinely want to become a black library author just to write space marines getting slaughtered
umbral nymph
Wasnt there like an Imperial fist who was short but he basically took Saitama's training routine and became so JACKED UP that he needed special armor as well
green loom
He was called Omni
umbral nymph
there we go
green loom
Deathwatch dude
queen laurel
Wasnt there like an Imperial fist who was short but he basically took Saitama's ...
He was small for a space marine and he decided to train to get bigger but of course one of the higher ups literally told him to cut it because refitting him his armor is getting annoying
umbral nymph
Maximmion Voss
bro had a name of a short king from the start
green loom
For the actual big marine
spring cairn
Minimmion Voss
green loom
Seydon, chapter master of the Iron Snakes, is a good 3+ meters
And that's out of armour iirc
spring cairn
Hierarchy is based on height
green loom
Tyberos is about a head taller than the average marine
thorn zenith
its all fun and games until theres a midget space marine with no helmet
summer mural
why dont the astartes and militarum get a high table of terra seat?
rocky gale
Astartes don't have a unified leader to sit in that seat because of the Codex Astartes
summer mural
well sure, but even the inqusition just send a representative
rocky gale
Because the Inquisition is still one group, the Astartes are explicitly not supposed to be one group, they're pretty independent from each other
shell mason
Blood angles were fucking cold before sanguinius
summer mural
they were pretty savage afaik
rocky gale
and the Militarum do have a seat, the Lord Commander Militant represents them
umbral nymph
I reckon its porbably to late even to instate a singular representative of all Astartes
thats just another civil war waiting to happen
Heresy part 2 Terra bogaloo
rocky gale
Yea, the Chapters are independent for a reason and a single representative wouldn't be able to properly represent them
summer mural
well apparently guilliman and his codex astartes point out that space marines are meant to serve humanity and never rule it. I just found that on a random thread somewhere
shell mason
?
storm jungle
shell mason
spoken like a true high lord
summer mural
spoken like a high lord of terra
" why cant I get breakfast" " look, bureacracy is complicated"
shell mason
summer mural
rocky gale
I'm sure it's only a matter of time before Guilliman explains it all in the Codex Bureaucraticus
umbral nymph
Yea, the Chapters are independent for a reason and a single representative would...
imagine the black templars being represented by an Ultramarine
storm jungle
" why cant I get breakfast" " look, bureacracy is complicated"
Literally me in Turkey rn
sorry I mean *Türkiye
our president got annoyed and changed the spelling to the "correct" one
summer mural
thats been a global trend- not a very helpful one imo
storm jungle
literally High Lord behavior
rocky gale
Imagine having a government
brisk vine
Turkwomenistan soon, hopefully
umbral nymph
Imagine having a government
shell mason
Imagine having a government
thats true?
spring cairn
Imagine having a government
haiti
brisk vine
Imagine having a government
How long did Belgium go again?
shell mason
umbral nymph
Imagine naming your country after a guy named Philip, bro thats my next door neighbor
brisk vine
Could be worse
Your country could be named after Frank
And then the place you're currently in is named after some Italian dude named Vespucci?
Wild tbh
umbral nymph
And then the place you're currently in is named after some Italian dude named Ve...
thats a beach in GTA watchu mean
shell mason
?
queen laurel
Did Rockstar use America for inspiration in GTA 6?
it's in miami, basically Florida
storm jungle
next you'll tell me Liberty City is NEU YORK
rocky gale
How long did Belgium go again?
Belguim was 589 days, we've beat them twice now. The last time our government collapsed it was over 1000 days before it reformed
umbral nymph
Obligatory
summer mural
is the high fabricator of mars the absolute topdog over the adeptus mechanicus
storm jungle
Yes.
brisk vine
it's in miami, basically Florida
That's_the_joke.png
umbral nymph
is the high fabricator of mars the absolute topdog over the adeptus mechanicus
he is the master toaster of mars yes
spring cairn
Obligatory
patiently waiting for sbr
brisk vine
I am in the threat range of Florida
shell mason
Obligatory
brisk vine
I know their ways
queen laurel
That's_the_joke.png
who said i am smart?
brisk vine
Me
umbral nymph
Me about to move to Florida in the next few yers
time to brush up on my crazy
brisk vine
next you'll tell me Liberty City is NEU YORK
And San Andreas could perhaps be in Southern California?
umbral nymph
im about to experience GTA 6 before GTA 6 actually drops
storm jungle
god i remember being little and learning San Andreas being actually a thing
and i was like
"NO WAY THEY NAMED IT AFTER GTA SA???"
pictured me
shell mason
lmao
queen laurel
god i remember being little and learning San Andreas being actually a thing
imagine going there and hearing
" a second plane has crashed on the strip club "
umbral nymph
Me seeing the Maze bank tower actually exist, immidietly thinks, are there free parachutes at the top ? hmmmmm
brisk vine
It totally looks like Istvaan III
storm jungle
Cannot believe Dan Abnett made Melvin "Big Smoke" Harris the Warmaster behind the Number 9 Heresy
queen laurel
I'll tell my kids this was Istvaan
Should probably pray for your kids then
" i'm sorry little one, your mother married Marazhai "
umbral nymph
Cannot believe Dan Abnett made Melvin "Big Smoke" Harris the Warmaster behind th...
This is so cursed in so many ways, i actually imagined Horus with big smoke's head and shades going
queen laurel
Thats how he killed Sanguinius
pull up the video
shell mason
Questions
umbral nymph
https://tenor.com/view/gta-sa-gta-san-andreas-grand-theft-auto-san-andreas-gta-g...
actual MIND BULLETS
storm jungle
crisp heath
y'all seen the greentext where a guy is at the gym and a guy with Blood Angel tattoos is screaming "HORUS! WHY DID YOU BETRAY ME!" and instead of being recognized as an obsessive nerd he's mistaken for a man covered in gang tattoos yelling misogynistic rants
umbral nymph
I belive all standing chapters still have stockpiles of geneseed for use
which is why apotecharies go out of their way to harvest said gene seeds from dead astartes
supllies last
spring cairn
y'all seen the greentext where a guy is at the gym and a guy with Blood Angel ta...
ex named horus
shell mason
Ah
crisp heath
ex named horus
nah they misheard "horus" as something a fair bit ruder lmao
summer mural
is kelbor hal still around
umbral nymph
supplies amount varies from chapters. some mechanicus bois actually tried replicating gene seed which led to the cursed founding if i recall
rocky gale
Dilara out here making Kid named finger memes in current year
queen laurel
@storm jungle look it's the imperium passive
shell mason
<@166943308231344128> look it's the imperium passive
lmao
spring cairn
I have Zola in my match
storm jungle
one Vet head literally looks like zola yeah
summer mural
more gsc evidence smh
umbral nymph
one Vet head literally looks like zola yeah
i found this factoid yesterday when i realized, my rouge trader eerly looks like zola for some reason
never have i ran to the barber so fast
storm jungle
Lmfao
Yeah thats how i got my second vet, it literally looks EXACTLY like her head model
undone cliff
They really need to put a trigger stopper on our ogrnys guns they are supposed to have those so ogryns don't mag dump
queen laurel
They really need to put a trigger stopper on our ogrnys guns they are supposed t...
our ogryns are smart enough to not need Burst limiters
undone cliff
Bon-eads, yeah? I love how even with the brain enhancement they are still dumb
queen laurel
Bon-eads, yeah? I love how even with the brain enhancement they are still dumb
only Brawler, the guy who goes sah alot
that's the only one with the implant the other two are naturally smart
And talk like that normally
undone cliff
Really? I didn't know the other two were not augmented
I thought all the ogryns had bonead implants
queen laurel
Really? I didn't know the other two were not augmented
Yeah bodyguard and bully are naturally smart
undone cliff
I use bully because he is funny
queen laurel
The imperium keeps ogryns dumb for a reason
Wouldn't want your loyal soldier to realize you're just using it as a slave now do you, a smart ogryn is a dangerous ogryn
brisk vine
I use bully because he is funny
Bodyguard is a good lad who says Sah
And that's all I want
queen laurel
Bodyguard is a good lad who says Sah
Bodyguard doesn't say sah he goes boss
Brawler is the Sah Ogryn
brisk vine
Am I thinking about Brawler?
I always get bodyguard and brawler mixed up
Brawler it is then
queen laurel
Am I thinking about Brawler?
yeah the one that eats an entire grox no problem
brisk vine
Easy as nosh
queen laurel
The glutton basically
queen laurel
Easy as nosh
yes that's brawler
south swallow
Sorry, random question, but how do zealots work? Do they have mystical powers for believing in that dead dude? Whats his name again?
Or anything "magical" really from the empire, does it only work through the emporer?
queen laurel
Sorry, random question, but how do zealots work? Do they have mystical powers fo...
Yeah their faith basically manifest into battle lust
Being faithful enough often rewards you with power
And of course they have incredibly strong willpowers
south swallow
Ah thats why the zealots in Darktide work, too? Even if they are the lowest of the low, aslong as they believe? So WHAT is the emporer exactly, how does he have so much power while being basicly dead
tulip brook
believing is a big thing with warp. they can bend reality and manifest miracles through willpower but it's debatable the power comes from big e or their own innate psychic might
jade holly
He’s one of the strongest Psykers to ever exist
queen laurel
Ah thats why the zealots in Darktide work, too? Even if they are the lowest of t...
Belief is a powerful thing in 40k and because a lot of people worship the emperor he begins becoming a god basically
brisk vine
He was also the biggest atheist ever
queen laurel
And so he can give people powers now
brisk vine
But we don't talk about the Imperial Creed anymore
He was also the universe's worst dad
10k years running
jade holly
Par for the course all things considered
brisk vine
(undefeated)
south swallow
He was also the biggest atheist ever
If he believes in himself, is he still an atheist? x)
brisk vine
He in fact went out of his way to tell people he wasn't a god
Like to his son, Lorgar
south swallow
believing is a big thing with warp. they can bend reality and manifest miracles ...
i want to ask what the warp is exactly, but i feel we would be here forever then 😄
brisk vine
To the point of destroying Lorgar's favorite city in front of him and his legion to teach him a lesson
queen laurel
i want to ask what the warp is exactly, but i feel we would be here forever then...
It's basically another plain of existence made up of emotions and energy
south swallow
and "being a psyker" means you have a certain affinity for accessing "the warp"`i guess?
brisk vine
Filled with manifestations of primal emotions
south swallow
Sounds neat
queen laurel
and "being a psyker" means you have a certain affinity for accessing "the warp"`...
Yes they can draw their powers into it but of course it has some drawbacks
brisk vine
and "being a psyker" means you have a certain affinity for accessing "the warp"`...
Your soul is very bright and tasty to demons
south swallow
It's basically another plain of existence made up of emotions and energy
"emotions and energy" and they use it to blow shitz up? Seems very human xD
brisk vine
Well, space elves can also access it
queen laurel
"emotions and energy" and they use it to blow shitz up? Seems very human xD
The more psychically attuned you are to the warp the brighter your soul is which means it is more tasty
south swallow
Yes they can draw their powers into it but of course it has some drawbacks
Like exploding oneself?
jade holly
Psyker is essentially playing a Warlock in DnD, except your patron is a scary hole filled with God knows what that can destroy your mind seven ways from Sunday
brisk vine
Like exploding oneself?
And opening a portal for spooky things to come out of
south swallow
Are demons "from" the warp, or somewhere else?
queen laurel
Like exploding oneself?
That's why particularly powerful psykers have a quite the hard time controlling their outputs
brisk vine
Making everyone else around you explode or turn inside out
And all sorts of fun
You can also transform into a gribbly beast!
jade holly
A dead Psyker is one of the scariest things to see
queen laurel
You can even alter your body genetically
Allowing you to basically turn your muscles into steel
jade holly
Cause that mf turnin’ into a daemon soon
south swallow
A dead Psyker is one of the scariest things to see
Guess dead psyker means there is now an open hole to the warp with nothing controlling it, or holding it back
Thats some lovacraftian stuff, no wonedr Warhammer is so popular ^^
jade holly
Idfk how it works
tulip brook
yup except the warp is filled with foreign entities rarely benign and accessing it even for violent reasons in a warzone or in a city filled with corruption violence and pollution isn't exactly the best idea
jade holly
All I know is if funny mentally deranged space wizard dies he spawns a daemon from his corpse
brisk vine
Thats some lovacraftian stuff, no wonedr Warhammer is so popular ^^
And that's without getting into Tyranids!
Which are also elder entities from beyond the galaxy with lots of tentacles, a hive mind beyond our comprehension and titanic beasts that travel the void between the stars
south swallow
And that's without getting into Tyranids!
Or demons? Whats with the empire killing everyone involved with fighting demons
brisk vine
The current assaults by hive fleets have been just probing attacks
south swallow
Which are also elder entities from beyond the galaxy with lots of tentacles, a h...
tentacles, nice :3
brisk vine
The main body of the hive isn't even here yet!
brisk vine
Or demons? Whats with the empire killing everyone involved with fighting demons
To even behold a demon is to risk damnation
It sticks in your mind, in your dreams, your very soul can twist and turn
Corruption begets corruption
tulip brook
Or demons? Whats with the empire killing everyone involved with fighting demons
basically chaos gets empowered by belief and worship and it's highly corrupting
brisk vine
They are the neverborn, things that should not be, yet are
tulip brook
easy solution, snip snip anyone who knows about it
brisk vine
Most normal people just go crazy after looking at them too long
You need either strong faith or the strong absence of faith to handle it
Like ||Fabius Bile talking to Slaanesh through a possessed person and being fine because he didn't believe in Slaanesh hard enough.||
south swallow
You need either strong faith or the strong absence of faith to handle it
absence of faith? If i dont believe in demons, they cant hurt me? :3
brisk vine
absence of faith? If i dont believe in demons, they cant hurt me? :3
Technically, yes
tulip brook
and funny thing is, you make everything worse for everyone else if you fall
south swallow
The more i learn about WH40k the less i udnerstand how ANYONE is still alive in that universe xD
brisk vine
But not believing in the emperor is grounds for execution so
brisk vine
The more i learn about WH40k the less i udnerstand how ANYONE is still alive in ...
The Empire is big
Millions of solar systems big
tulip brook
not being sustainable and slowly dying is the setting
brisk vine
It encompasses most of the Milky Way
And it's been decaying for 10 thousand years
And it's still beyond what we could understand
They have entire planets dedicated to bureaucracy and still just straight up lose track of entire systems because someone filed a paper in the wrong box
south swallow
So since the emporer came to be? Isn't he also the reason humans have space-warp capabilities?
brisk vine
Well
Old lore was that a bunch of shamans got together and sacrificed themselves to create him after they came into contact with chaos and demonic entities
But I think that's been retconned?
tulip brook
not really, not confirmed either
brisk vine
He's been around since the neolithic and larped as Alexander the Great, if Horus Lupercal is a source you trust.
He basically hung around, hiding his true identity for 30 thousand years, watching humanity rise then just destroy itself in the dark of technology, where sentient AI, warp storm and Xeno invasions destroyed the old star empire that man had created
undone cliff
Wouldn't want your loyal soldier to realize you're just using it as a slave now ...
Blessed is the mind too small for doubt
brisk vine
And then unified terra, messed around with genetics with some lady named Astarte and his best pal Malcador
Went conquering with his boys
And here we are!
Few minor mishaps along the way
Just a few
south swallow
He's been around since the neolithic and larped as Alexander the Great, if Horus...
Wait... so the emperor is a human, who lived longer than anyone, even before the whole genetic modification thing started? Because he was the first psyker or something?
brisk vine
He may be permanently stuck on a golden throne, powering an interstellar navigational beacon and keeping terra from being swarmed by demons as a barely alive corpse
But you know
Shit happens
brisk vine
Wait... so the emperor is a human, who lived longer than anyone, even before the...
He is the strongest psyker
And yeah
He's been around a long time
undone cliff
Darn corpse god
tulip brook
Wait... so the emperor is a human, who lived longer than anyone, even before the...
another can of worms, he is a perpetual. basically there are a few people living forever in the setting
south swallow
Darn corpse god
Not a god 😄
brisk vine
Darn corpse god
brisk vine
Not a god 😄
Don't let the Inquisition catch you saying that
tulip brook
even if he died, he can come back but he's not entirely dead sitting on the throne
south swallow
another can of worms, he is a perpetual. basically there are a few people living...
But WH40k has nothing to do with Warhammer (fantasy)? Well Got similar races and stuff, but they are not in the same universe?
brisk vine
As a consequence of a teensie, tiny mistake by Magnus
undone cliff
He still needs someone to plug the hole in the wall on terra
south swallow
Bad things will happen
Bad things WILL happen? You mean "Even worse things will happen" 😛
brisk vine
But WH40k has nothing to do with Warhammer (fantasy)? Well Got similar races and...
They used to be more connected but as editions rolled on, nope
tulip brook
But WH40k has nothing to do with Warhammer (fantasy)? Well Got similar races and...
not same universe, has a lot of shared stuff but it's like, these guys might look the same but trust me they aren't
brisk vine
Bad things WILL happen? You mean "Even worse things will happen" 😛
There might be a gaping portal to the warp underneath the portal with armies of demons trying to get in
south swallow
Ah okay, so like there is a Slaanesh in both, but different demon
tulip brook
exactly
brisk vine
And terra might go big boom if the Emperor were to die
brisk vine
Ah okay, so like there is a Slaanesh in both, but different demon
The warp is just weird
Could be that it links both in some way?
But they've walked that back in recent years
south swallow
Games workshop just wanted to sell some plastic figurines and here we are ^^
tulip brook
I guess they don't want fanbase to make their own lizardmen armies with lasguns
brisk vine
We're a long way from Harry the Hammer
brisk vine
I guess they don't want fanbase to make their own lizardmen armies with lasguns
Very sad
Like
WHF canonically has the old ones and funny laser weapons that the Amazons use
But it's been divorced from any 40k ties
undone cliff
Honestly if the imperium worked with xenos they would have most likely solved or beaten back chaos by a larger margin. Eldar want chaos gone as much as humans. Necrons don't really care but could help a lot, hell even dark eldar don't like chaos busting into thier crib. The only xenos I wouldn't count on as much is the tau since they are kind of naive
brisk vine
Honestly if the imperium worked with xenos they would have most likely solved or...
They fought too many xenos to truly trust them, especially the Inquisition
Alliances of convenience are the best you're gonna get
Until Roboute bravely pioneers Human Eldari relationships
south swallow
Wait a minute... So whats the Chaos then?
brisk vine
Wait a minute... So whats the Chaos then?
Elves made Slaanesh
So uh
They have an interest in keeping chaos at bay
Or their souls get eaten
brisk vine
Elves did intend to make Slaanesh
tulip brook
Honestly if the imperium worked with xenos they would have most likely solved or...
eldar don't trust anyone, definitely not the ignorant short lived short tempered monkeigh. deldar, yeah gl working with them. nekrons will just mind scarab your brain and forget you exist.
brisk vine
Arent there also Chaos SPace Marine? So Humans?
Yes, 9 legions fell to chaos
undone cliff
They fought too many xenos to truly trust them, especially the Inquisition
More like genocided too many xenos. The great crusade didn't just kill off giant murder spiders they killed peacful races and ones that even coexisted with humans
brisk vine
And also traitor guards
tulip brook
imperium's xenophobia is mostly justified
brisk vine
More like genocided too many xenos. The great crusade didn't just kill off giant...
You try living next to a Hruun for a year and tell me how it goes for you
south swallow
imperium's xenophobia is mostly justified
The one thing i know about WH40K is that everyone is xenophobic
undone cliff
I'm not saying some of them aren't evil or just straight up monsters I'm saying they just murdered anything not human because emperor
brisk vine
You only need to meet Dark Eldar once to know you shouldn't trust them
brisk vine
I'm not saying some of them aren't evil or just straight up monsters I'm saying ...
Yes.
south swallow
Everyone, except the Tau
Let me guess: They aren't xenophobic, because they dont see other species as scentient beings? x)
brisk vine
Let me guess: They aren't xenophobic, because they dont see other species as sce...
Nah, they're just new
tulip brook
tau wants to go startrek federation but death guard and dark eldar encounters taught them fast
south swallow
Nah, they're just new
hehe
brisk vine
So they don't know that everything wants to murder them yet
They also learned about Tyranids
undone cliff
imperium's xenophobia is mostly justified
I would rather be an eldar in 40k if not for the possibility of being redacted for all eternity after I die at least the craftworlds got a system for it despite the fact that you better hope your descendants got your dead back
tulip brook
they know everything wants to murder them, they just aren't exactly sure what "everything" entails
summer mural
how does imperirerums msinvdwipe technology work
brisk vine
Those Eldar and humans might kill you for trespassing or doing something you shouldn't
summer mural
do they just flash you with a camera like men in black
tulip brook
how does imperirerums msinvdwipe technology work
they are absurdly good with bioengineering but not exactly ethical with medical practices. they go brain surgery scrape anything you don't need
summer mural
I was asking with reference to how they just mindwipe regular folks who arent supposed to know about the grey knights
who themselves get mindwiped when they become grey knights
tulip brook
take them, bind them to a bed and go to town
brisk vine
Isn't that usually servitor tier?
undone cliff
God I hate grey Knights the whole we kill a regiment if they fight along side then is dumb as hell that's a whole ass regiment
brisk vine
iirc the Mechanicus of Deimos do transactions through special servitors that are wiped after each trade.
summer mural
yeah the grey knights wanting secrecy is understandable somewhat, but they do seem to take that one thing too far, thats the imperium for you i guess
south swallow
Seems like an efficient way to keep a secret :3
brisk vine
(the Imperium also moved Deimos, one of the asteroid satellites of Mars to orbit Titan)
(Just so Grey Knights get their own special forge)
tulip brook
Isn't that usually servitor tier?
servitors have everything other than their intended purpose taken out. mind wipe isn't that intrusive but there are sources mentioning mind wiped people have scars showing the traces of operations
median marsh
inquisition used to exterminate anyone non essential after seeing GKs, but it's not entirely due to GKs alone
When the knights are needed it already means they've seen too much
it caused more than one conflict with space marines
tulip brook
fighting against chaos is a messy endevour either way. not wiping a regiment may mean a planetwide rebellion a few years later
summer mural
I wonder if grey knights recruits are told they are gonna get mindwiped if they successfully become grey knights
all the recruits are psykers , so I guess its still a desirable option
tulip brook
that part is probably one of the easiest hurdles in initiation
median marsh
Mind wipes are the least of their worries yeah
tulip brook
space marine initiation is absurdly hard. gk takes it to absurd level
exponential growth in difficulty
undone cliff
I really wish ad mech were cooler looking models the concept of religion obsessed technophiles is cool but the models themselves for skitatii is kinda lame. Skitatii look cool but everything thing else in the line looks lame like those goofy van gough wings and flying machine
brisk vine
The only thing that even approaches to SM initiation is Knight rituals when they first get on the gamer chair, isn't it?
jade holly
I wanna see what a modern day design for Noise Marines would look like
tulip brook
The only thing that even approaches to SM initiation is Knight rituals when they...
anything from schola progenium could be similar. kids becoming battle sisters, assassins, commissars...
brisk vine
Hopefully a mix of the Deff Leopard era drip with some big DJ booths
brisk vine
anything from schola progenium could be similar. kids becoming battle sisters, a...
True
median marsh
Chapters have wildly different rituals too, the knight ritual lasts for about a single day
median marsh
Some go mad, some die
I'd say titan pricepts have it way worse
Considering titans are also way more hardcore
spring cairn
wouldn't be Gremderk if piloting a big machine couldn't potentially kill you
jade holly
Idk why but my brain does not let me wrap around the fact that Ogryns are just Ogres
It’s even in the name
tulip brook
yeah they are just ogres of 40k
umbral nymph
Happy new year Loyalist and Heretics alike
tulip brook
happy new years
storm jungle
4 hours to go on my end 🙏
don't even get to drink because I'm on kid-sitting duty
celest dome
Kid sitter should have drink priority
shell mason
HA I AINT EVEN HALF WAY THERE
Busy smoking that Daemonhost Pack on darktide
Although
green loom
Kid sitter should have drink priority
I was planning to knock down a few 50% alcohol fruit spirits
shell mason
Happy early news years my fellow convicts
green loom
But no, now I have to sit on my bed on my lonesome while everyone celebrates and the kids play fortnite or something 
shell mason
But no, now I have to sit on my bed on my lonesome while everyone celebrates and...
We can do darktide and wallow in sadness together my brother
south swallow
Blowing up heretics is the same as Fireworks, so works well for new years eve ^^
celest dome
But no, now I have to sit on my bed on my lonesome while everyone celebrates and...
How old are the kids ?
green loom
13
celest dome
Do they really need to be watched over ?
shell mason
oof
shadow plover
lol
green loom
Destroyed
green loom
Do they really need to be watched over ?
Not a lot of room so yeah 
earnest snow
crisp heath
Yooooo
Crazy thought/theory just popped into my head
I'm restarting Rogue Trader because I'd heard the fix may have finally dropped for Xbox, fingers crossed here's hoping.
But anyway
When you open the warrant chamber and first meet the vox skull
It talks to you and tells you it's a part of the warrant sentinel, the machine at the door with metal jaws that drinks your blood. We also know there's another one up on the bridge I think. Now... we also know it's like, Hella ancient. When you use the tech use option it tells you as much. I think the servitor in it has far more intelligence than a normal one. I wonder if an Ancestor of the Von Valancius line martyred themselves to become it, as it sent the Vox Skull without request. Not only that, the vox skull seems to be able to communicate extremely clearly for well, a robotic skull. It makes me think all the Sentinels on the ship and the vox skull are all one entity, with its own ego and everything.
Just a little thought that popped into my head. No source or anything to back it up. Curious what others think though
crisp heath
Lol cool
gray umbra
Like mid act 3
crisp heath
It comes with the voidfarer edition
It's dlc
I don't think you can get it in game without buying the dlc
gray umbra
Oo
crisp heath
One of the only reasons I got the dlc, lol ngl
I wanted me a flying murder baby robot
green loom
Just a little thought that popped into my head. No source or anything to back it...
Do you mind spoilers
Cus it's actually the dead body of Dorn enshrined in the ship
crisp heath
I don't mind
Dorn... I know the name, but my minds drawing a blank on the person
@green loom
green loom
Rogal Dorn
crisp heath
No shot
green loom
Nah I'm just kidding, it's actually a shard of the deceiver
crisp heath
Lol... I don't know whether to take you serious now lolol
Though that's a tad more believable I guess
median marsh
Well lads, new year is almost here
i will drink to thy health Lore chat dwellers, arguably one of the two better channels in this discord, the other being theorycrafting
keen ridge
So I started watching this I’m like 7 min in and as I understand it doesn’t the emperor have something to do with the warp I saw that without him the warp can’t be opened or something
keen ridge
Yes<@720384580669931641>
He doesn’t mention the emperor until the 30th millennium though why
crisp heath
Which acts as a glorified lighthouse in the warp
Uhhhh.... I'm not the best with the timeliness of 40k...
keen ridge
He just goes straight to that navigators can see currents in the warp
crisp heath
But I think that's because that's when the Heresy kicked off
What exactly are you asking about?
Why the emperor is important to warp travel
Or why and how navigators were made
Or both?
keen ridge
No like wasn’t the emperor always present
crisp heath
Dude literally kicked it with Alexander the great
Hell mightve been him
Because he doesn't really come to the forefront till then
He's mostly living in secret
keen ridge
So if the emperor always existed why appear so late in human history
crisp heath
It's only til the dark age of humanity that he comes out and says enough of this shit. I'm leading now
Because humanity didn't really need him before the dark age as I understand it
We were extremely advanced and prosperous
keen ridge
Don’t they need him for the warp though
crisp heath
After. We were not. So he came out to the fore to lead. None of this is ever explained though. It's left purposefully vague
Nobody knows much about the emperors early years
No, we didn't use the warp during the dark age or before it as I understand it@keen ridge
Psychers were extremely uncommon, to the point the emperor, malcador, and the mother of the primarchs are the only ones I know of
That were from that time
keen ridge
No, we didn't use the warp during the dark age or before it as I understand it<@...
Yeah that’s what I’m thinking but this guy is confusing me he talks about pskers and use of warp to colonize before talking about the emperor
crisp heath
I mean, because honestly the emperors really not that important in the grand scheme of the story. Yes, that sounds counter intuitive but he literally doesn't do much of anything. During the crusades he personally lead them, so he didn't have to do much, his power alive and being on the ships was enough to do just about anything. But when they wanted to widen that to a whole galaxy, because they still could only go where he was, they needed a system
So he made navigators and the astronomicon, which magnus was supposed to run. Not himself.
He wanted to work on breaking the Eldar web way so we never needed the warp again
But that obviously failed
So now he sits on the astronomicon instead, acting as a lighthouse in the warp for navigators to see with their third eye, so they always have a point of reference acting as a guide.
Thus allowing galactic travel to anyone anywhere
Mostly
keen ridge
So one thing what is everyone fighting for?
crisp heath
40k
There's always war
Pretty much as simple as that. Everyone stops fighting, gw can't sell minis
keen ridge
But what is cause of war just that humans don’t like other species basically
crisp heath
Nah, there was a lot of back and forth
Humanity being humanity and dicking people over
Eldar being Eldar and doing ungodly torture
Orcs being orcs and demolishing everything
Rabid xenos that want to maul and eat you
Like there's reasons
Not all are good. But reasons
Not to mention the necron or tyranid
tulip brook
at least 10k years of grudge and so many races pushed on the brink of destruction
very good reasons to be aggressive if you ask me
crisp heath
Yep. Also you gotta understand. Humanity is dying. Slowly, and painfully. And like any cornered, dying animal it's lashing out at anything and everything it can before it goes into that sweet night.
tulip brook
slowly as in galactic scale, they are dying super fast in every other story
crisp heath
Well, yea
keen ridge
And the chaos gods do they have a goal
tulip brook
ultimately more influence and power
keen ridge
And heretics are any who don’t worship the emperor?
tulip brook
or not worshipping enough
keen ridge
or not worshipping enough
How do they know
tulip brook
think about any real life religious fanatic groups
storm jungle
How do they know
Do you know how religious fanaticism works IRL
tulip brook
if you're not one of us, you're not doing it right
keen ridge
Ok but how they do know if you worship the emperor maybe they could just say heil the emperor and inside they don’t believe anything
keen ridge
religious zealots dont make sense
What are zealots exactly in game they’re just like warriors?
storm jungle
What are zealots exactly in game they’re just like warriors?
Crazy religious people
tulip brook
lowest rank of ministorum, untrained hoodlums for the local church
keen ridge
So who is rlly in power if emperor is just like a puppet
inland sigil
Isnt it the high lords?
crisp heath
Sorta
There's multiple spheres of power, each of which run the empire in different ways
keen ridge
So there’s no “top dog” it’s just shared power over the empire
outer wave
So who is rlly in power if emperor is just like a puppet
It'd be inquisitors and the Ecclisarchy
keen ridge
Btw do the people know that the emperor isn’t really making the decisions
green loom
People don't know dick
They're kept ignorant, assuming the word of their boss is tantamount to the word of god
keen ridge
Is there someone that created the religion for the emperor or was it just the people
tulip brook
isn't he? the guy is fragmented in million pieces and practically everywhere
green loom
Is there someone that created the religion for the emperor or was it just the pe...
It's based on a revised version of the Lectito Divinitatus, written by Lorgar Aurelian
keen ridge
Are the ogryn genetically modified or have they mutated to look like that
storm jungle
You really need to start reading the lore at this point
keen ridge
I mean where can i start there are 400 books ☠️
outer wave
The wiki
storm jungle
^
outer wave
Lexicum
storm jungle
You dont have to read the books to get the setting
outer wave
Are the ogryn genetically modified or have they mutated to look like that
As the established Ogryn/Ogre guy here, I can confirm that its neither: they've evolved that way
tulip brook
keen ridge
Wouldn’t the ogryn be considered heretics bc they don’t look like standard humans?
storm jungle
Ogryns are useful, so they don't count. Because the Imperium is filled with hypocrites.
outer wave
Plus the common man/woman in the military tends to love them like a man loves their dog
This is a bit similar with ratlings and beastmen
outer wave
Nope hence similar
arctic talon
bcs they steal
keen ridge
What’s the first 40k game
green loom
How do you mean game
arctic talon
What’s the first 40k game
Video game?
keen ridge
Video game?
Well yes
arctic talon
tabletop game its warhammer fantasy battle 2e which was GW cooking up something for people who had too many random minis lol
keen ridge
I forgot there were board games
keen ridge
One thing are warhammer 40k and fantasy connected in any way
arctic talon
Beyond that the magic system is fundamentally different
outer wave
Even if games like Total Warhammer 3 may reference 40k stuff
arctic talon
along with a lot of other stuff
verbal path
One thing are warhammer 40k and fantasy connected in any way
Very barely.
celest dome
Atm they aren't tied to each other, they do have Daemon that are the same
arctic talon
also yeah the daemons are somewhat different between the settings
they have different rules regarding how they manifest
keen ridge
And I saw something that the emperor needs certain amount of deaths to live?
Is there an explanation for that
celest dome
He need Psykers to power up the Throen and the Astronomicon
keen ridge
He need Psykers to power up the Throen and the Astronomicon
The throne is what keeps him alive right
verbal path
Yes.
arctic talon
it also is helping with the giant webway portal that links straight into a tear in reality
languid salmon
Besides the codex’s?
tulip brook
leviathan, the great devourer, devastation of baal...
proven needle
I wanna learn more about the tyranids
The codex is not very illuminating. The whole point of the 'nids is that they are unknowable, horrific aliens to the extreme.
keen ridge
leviathan, the great devourer, devastation of baal...
Is one?
Btw who is sigmar cuz I remember “For Sigmar” from vermintide I think
keen ridge
I can be a bit more specific
Yes please
celest dome
Btw who is sigmar cuz I remember “For Sigmar” from vermintide I think
Barbarian who became a God in Warhammer Fantasy
sacred ginkgo
He was the sun of a guy who managed to unite a fairy large number of tribes, who had a greater vision and founded the Empire and became the first emperor
When he died he ascended to godhood
Also had a really nice hammer
keen ridge
Also had a really nice hammer
That explains why my hammer using priest shouts that
keen ridge
So he has nothing to do with 40k
sacred ginkgo
Nothing at all
keen ridge
Oh I saw him bc in the pic I sent it says age of sigmar
outer wave
The only thing Sigmar has in common with 40k is with the emperor, and its pretty surface level
celest dome
Also had a really nice hammer
Gal Maraz, the 2nd "Warhammer"
celest dome
The only thing Sigmar has in common with 40k is with the emperor, and its pretty...
With the Emperor ?
outer wave
Yuh
Like Sigmar and The Emperor are similar on the surface level due to being both leaders of humanity and tried to make their empire good and all that
green loom
They're both Emperors
outer wave
Yeh
green loom
Shock
outer wave
Also both are golden men
celest dome
But one was not an dumbass
arctic talon
Sigmar also is trying to find a fix for the defects the stormcast have
While the emperor uh
Killed the thunder warriors instead of bothering to fix them
celest dome
Sigmar has a loyalty to his people
tulip brook
handicapped guy trying to fix the galaxy vs the guy with dream team who can't handle just one planet
cut big e some slack
celest dome
Handicapped ?
arctic talon
"dream" team
my brother in christ order is busy killing itself
more then they kill chaos
tulip brook
it's ok, chaos kills themselves more than anyone else too
celest dome
And the Emperor had a lot of Tech from the Golden age of Technology
tulip brook
just leave chaos alone, problem fixes itself
barren kayak
Crazy religious people
outer wave
Does anyone know why Dreadnoughts are only used by space marines but arent accessible even as downgraded tech for imperial guard?
celest dome
Cause it's not worth it
green loom
It's expensive and pointless
celest dome
And iirc normal humans would not be able to cope with it (Unlike for example Skitarii)
outer wave
Actually ones for the Skitarii would also be pretty useful
Understandable that normal humans wouldnt get the most usage out of it
green loom
They already kinda do it
celest dome
It existed, the Thalax iirc, or might have been the ursarax
green loom
Skitarii i mean
Some of their vehicles still have skitarii permanently stuck in if memory serves
celest dome
Sicarius are something different I'd say
celest dome
Some of their vehicles still have skitarii permanently stuck in if memory serves
The Walker tank does, but not sure if they took injured Skitarii for it
green loom
Same idea
Tank with person inside stuffed with life support
outer wave
Looking into Thalax
Damn another 30k idea that didnt continue into 40k
Actually kinda eldar-looking
arctic talon
They were banned if memory serves
Not banned
The stc for the generator was lost
There’s probably a few around still
arctic talon
But not in the quantities during the heresy and great crusade
arctic talon
Actually kinda eldar-looking
The ursarax had totally not eldar tech lol
keen ridge
Why does this video keep saying the Old ones had a nearly infinite lifespan what does that mean lmao
arctic talon
It had what is essentially a dark lance lol
outer wave
Oh cool
green loom
Why does this video keep saying the Old ones had a nearly infinite lifespan what...
That reads like bad English for "immortal"
celest dome
Immortal has to component of not being killable, which they were
keen ridge
Immortal means that you can’t die
the meaning can vary afaik
keen ridge
So the old ones can live forever as long as they aren’t killed?
green loom
Probably
dusk patrol
Or so long it doesn’t matter
green loom
As far as we’re aware they’re all quite dead
Goals tbh
keen ridge
Didn’t one old one survive ?
dusk patrol
There’s one Eldrad kills during the heresy
Maybe
It’s not clear if it was an old one though
One of the Cabal members
crisp heath
So who is rlly in power if emperor is just like a puppet
The ecclesiarchy, or Adepta Minastorum for instance runs everything Religion wise, as well as having a major influence over the political running of the empire. There's the Mechanicus which runs all technological affairs. The inquisition, which acts as the investigative and judicial body. It's very compartmentalized in that sense, and at the same time very interwoven. Also, the High Lord's are the Senatorum, so in that regard, they interpret and review the Emperors will and enact his rule. So the lawmakers.
I know I'm very late, I thought I'd sent this before but apparently it sat in my text bar here
keen ridge
The ecclesiarchy, or Adepta Minastorum for instance runs everything Religion wis...
From the looks of it the senatorum holds the most power as they are basically prophets
crisp heath
Pretty much, though their power is not unfettered and there are some checks and balances in the other groups
@keen ridge
A lot of the Senatorums power also comes from being solely controlled and comprised by the High Lords, the most wealthy and influential individuals of the entire Imperium. They also usually head each of the other groups, so a High Lord will be the Ecclesiarch of the Ministorum as well. All in all, if you want to know who influences the Imperium more, it's equally the High Lords and the Mechanicus. Each have equal power and authority and can't do anything to each other, and their word ends up being absolute law.
rose thorn
Congrats dark angels for winning model of the year but also I’m going to trip you over
crisp heath
Pfft
@keen ridge nah. The last one died. There's a few thoughts as to how and what happened after. I personally like the theory/story of the Umbra, and how slanesh when she was born, hunted down the last old one when it hid in the warp and butchered it, scattering it's broken pieces to forever linger in realspace, forever in agony.
But that's by no means for sure
But it's almost certain the last old one died
wintry scarab
What do astartes see the emperor as? Do they just see him as a god like the rest of the imperium?
vale fjord
crisp heath
It depends on the astartes chapter I believe
Most however do not worship him as a god
Afaik
crisp heath
Yea. There are some caveats, and I'm not sure on which exactly do worship him, but I'm fairly certain most dont
While a minority do
vale fjord
The techmarines do still believe in the emperor albeit believing in the omnissiah the same way as an average techpriest (if I'm correct)
crisp heath
This^ for sure for the techmarines
I just am not sure on any other chapters or specifics
vale fjord
But the rest of the astartes? It's what ^ this guy said, it depends on the chapter itself
The only chapter you dont have to question their belief is the black templars
Trust me they're just like our zealot rejects but as space marines
crisp heath
Oooh I'd honest not thought about them. Ya they're pretty pious
The exorcists* are probably too
Now that I think about it
dusk patrol
What do astartes see the emperor as? Do they just see him as a god like the rest...
Leadership or something to be revered
Some even call him their grandfather
Most don’t worship him
Although some do
crisp heath
This^ is often more what the majority view him as, definitely
dusk patrol
There’s a few chapters, Black Templars being the most obvious and well known, who are much more religious
But most just see him as a figure for reverence and not a god
Even those who call him stuff like the Allfather like the Space Wolves do don’t actually worship him
Salamanders call him the Outlander
Carcharadons call him the Void Father
crisp heath
The outlander one always intrigued me.
dusk patrol
It’s just cause how he approached Vulkan originally
vale fjord
Techmarines, although being part of adeptus astartes, believe in the omnissiah more than the emperor, they think big E is a divine vessel that leads humanity
If I am correct
dusk patrol
It varies
crisp heath
It’s just cause how he approached Vulkan originally
Really? I thought it might have had more depth
dusk patrol
The Iron Hands reference the Omnissiah for example and do somewhat honor the machine cult, but they don’t worship the Omnissiah really
Most Techmarines are similar
It’s more the same way other chapters don’t really worship the Emperor but use similar terminology to the imperial cult
crisp heath
This was my understanding as well
dusk patrol
That doesn’t mean it’s the same for all but that’s typically how it seems to be
keen ridge
So how does the 40k story go universe wise like does it only take place in the Milky Way
?
vale fjord
far from milky way from what it seems
keen ridge
far from milky way from what it seems
Wdym
arctic talon
So how does the 40k story go universe wise like does it only take place in the M...
40k is only within the milky way
keen ridge
40k is only within the milky way
Interesting so is there only life in the Milky Way or has there ever been mention of anything outside the galaxy
arctic talon
Interesting so is there only life in the Milky Way or has there ever been mentio...
Nids came from outside the milky way
so there had to have been life outside of it
from the 7e Nid codex
keen ridge
Kinda dumb that if they wanted to conquer they never went outta their galaxy
arctic talon
Kinda dumb that if they wanted to conquer they never went outta their galaxy
they barely reached the edge of it, and the imperium needs the astronomicon to travel properly
you can't see the astronomicon really outside the galaxy
its already hard to see in the Halo Stars
keen ridge
Wb the webway
arctic talon
again
the imperium never got total access to it
the Eldar weren't that interested in expansion during the height of the Eldar empire
The Crons also didn't have proper full access to the webway
keen ridge
the Eldar weren't that interested in expansion during the height of the Eldar em...
They were interested in murder/rape it seems
Although why is it cuz of the emotions
arctic talon
They were interested in murder/rape it seems
Only towards the end yes
But they were pretty insular
for an Empire lol
arctic talon
extreme boredom, slaanesh assisted in their own birth
The Eldar Empire was starting to have slaaneshi chaos cults form
towards the end of its lifespan
tldr they were just depraved + slaanesh was influencing them
There's a reason the craftworld eldar left
and that the Eldar Empire gave birth to the Druhkari
velvet imp
Why did they go to such extremes though
when you literally live in a Utopia where the most luxurious things in life are so mundane there can only be down
that is just how bored the Eldar had become at he peak of their civilization
crisp heath
Well... for one I think that there's a misconception in your thinking. The Milky Way in 40k and irl for that matter is extremely vast. And in 40k, there are quite sectors that even without the warp are almost impossible to fuck with, like the Ghoul stars. There are others. Also, the Eldar were hedonist who wasted their power. That's their whole shtick and why they created horus. After forcing the Necron to slumber, they literally had no adversaries and just did whatever they want. Also they aren't known for being particularly adventurous like humans are. That's more of an innate human drive to conquer things. But, while we might not be trying to get out of galaxy, we know the nids came from outside the milky way. We also know they have a world where instead of devouring everything, they are protecting it, and building something. Many think it's some sort of pylon to single an even larger fleet of Nids
keen ridge
extreme boredom, slaanesh assisted in their own birth
Wait wasn’t slaanesh created bc of their emotions after
crisp heath
Slaanesh was created because more then emotions
velvet imp
Slaanesh, despite being mostly a joke comment, can be descriped as the biggest post nut experience the Eldar ever had
crisp heath
It's excess in anything
It's more then emotions though. Say you're gluttonous. That's Slaanesh. Or overly lazy. Egotistical and power hungery?greedy? All this and so much more. They'd blow up whole star systems for shits and gigs
arctic talon
Wait wasn’t slaanesh created bc of their emotions after
Slaanesh existed before their birth from the moment of their birth
The warp is not linear
crisp heath
Also this^
arctic talon
slaanesh was born, they then went back to fuck with the past to assist with their own birth
which compounds in making the birth of slaanesh even more violent and explosive
crisp heath
While slaanesh has a birthday in realspace, it's always existed in the warp, as the warp doesn't experience time at all, or if it does it is not a joined experience.
arctic talon
tldr the eldar fucked up badly
They fucked up so hard they damned their species no matter what
even if they wanted to go back in time and change it I doubt slaanesh themselves would allow it
velvet imp
tldr the eldar fucked up badly
this is honestly part of the reason why I enjoy Rogue trader. You can literally make the Eldar realize they fucked up so badly their situation and constant issues is their own doing
especially Yrliet
arctic talon
this is honestly part of the reason why I enjoy Rogue trader. You can literally ...
tbf they're craftworld eldar
crisp heath
That's their name
arctic talon
they left the eldar empire before shit hit the fan lol
The farseer is a dick
Yirlet is also kind of an asshole
but meh
velvet imp
Yirlet is also kind of an asshole
ya but atleast she get past this issue once she realized how dumb her own people are as well
arctic talon
tbh
When you first meet her, she sides with you over her craftworlds farseer
because he's being a dumbass
but she's just somewhat archetypical
snow fern
Snooty space elves betray their allies for no reason, a 40k classic
gray umbra
Eldar fucked up so hard even if they went back in time they wouldnt be able to change a thing
Just get laughed at until they birthed slaanesh
rigid dune
Can tech priests have psyker abilities? To my understanding titan pilots for example are not tech priest as much as they are psykers that drives mechs
gray umbra
I think so?
rigid dune
What I am thinking is if only biological creatures can get psyker powers. Say someone has replaced most of thier human parts, such as a tech priest, are they still human and thus a psyker?
green loom
What I am thinking is if only biological creatures can get psyker powers. Say so...
I think the brain is the important part here
Or it's like a soul thing or some bs
umbral nymph
Can tech priests have psyker abilities? To my understanding titan pilots for exa...
actually yes. There are Psi Titans,
Theres a whole division of mechanicus devoted to psyker arts
just not expanded upon cuz tech wins
Look up Ordo Sinister Psi titans
Casting smite but on a Titanic scale
Plus if you think overlapping void shields is hard, now add overlapping psy shields
rigid dune
"A Psi-Titan is manned by damned Human psykers surgically wired into the war machine's heart and locked in place against their will."
umbral nymph
"A Psi-Titan is manned by damned Human psykers surgically wired into the war mac...
not much diffirent from a nomal titan princep, they are usually grafted to their titan and become one with them
some have more freedom than others and can actually disembark, usually assisted by life support
rigid dune
But do these humans have a lot of tech parts on thier body? Or is it just flesh and bones?
To me it sounds like they just took some psyker and strapped it into the titan to be used as a battery
umbral nymph
This is what a typical princep looks like, dosent scream comfort seats
some are more augmented than others
to suit their piloting needs
or they just need it becuase piloting the titan has deteriorated their body so much they need cybernetics to compensate
green loom
The Legio Sinister aren't admech
And they're mostly gone I think
And they're not piloted by psykers
They're piloted by blanks
Iirc they use psykers as ammo
umbral nymph
And they're not piloted by psykers
shouldve cleared it up, they are piloted by princeps that are blanks, they do essentially use psykers as "batteries" for the titan
rigid dune
So psyker abilities can manifest in mechanics
The thing must have a soul
The omnisaiah is in all machine
Conclusion:
A microwave could be a psyker 
green loom
The thing with psi titans is that their weapons have psykers hooked into them
umbral nymph
but going back to the original question, there are psykers within the admech, theyre still humans just VERY augmented ones, admech just hides them or they just hide themselves. that or they just fully dedicate themselves to one or the other.
I reckon when a blackship discovers a psker on mars, thats a whole can of worms that both the inquisition and admech dont want to open
crisp heath
Yea, basically it's nothing like star wars, your power is not tied to your body per se, more your soul. And in 40k, the brain seems to be the seat of the soul in the body, so as long as it's functional, so are your abilities for the most part
No matter the amount of modifications you get
As a sanctified psycher, you inherently get like a metal collar drilled into you that helps hamper your abilities
Getting modifications is kinda standard for everyone
umbral nymph
I reckon if a tech priest discovers he has psy powers, he either, tries to supress it so much to hide and just focus on being a tech priest orrrrr it gets discovered or he tells it to his superior and he basically becomes a specialized tech priest dealing in tech tainted with fould magiks
crisp heath
Pretty much
rigid dune
Yea, basically it's nothing like star wars, your power is not tied to your body ...
Cant the mechanicus replace parts of the brain to install more RAM or something? Would not stuff like that remove the human part which would allow you to use psyker abilities?
crisp heath
Though they don't really supress it
@umbral nymph the mechanicus don't think like the rest of the Imperium. So long as the tool is useful it's used
umbral nymph
^
crisp heath
@rigid dune yes in theory it very well could
rigid dune
And in turn, would it be possible to lobotemize psykers by removing certain parts of thier brain?
crisp heath
But psychers are to valuable to waste doing that
Either they are used or sent to the astranomicon upon being found
There's no in between
umbral nymph
And in turn, would it be possible to lobotemize psykers by removing certain part...
put it this way, you would scoop out all the c4 of a perfectly good bomb
Yes you have made the bomb inert, but you couldve used the bomb in the first place and in 40k your gonna need some big bombs
crisp heath
This^
Short of odd situations like Idira, where she has a rogue trader's blessing I suppose
rigid dune
So a ogryn psyker would be like a super bomb?
umbral nymph
So a ogryn psyker would be like a super bomb?
a VERY UNSTABLE big bomb
crisp heath
Big time lol
rigid dune
Do psykers need to focus to use thier power or can stuff just happen without them controlling it? Would ogryn be to stupid to realise they had powers?
umbral nymph
Do psykers need to focus to use thier power or can stuff just happen without the...
It depends mostly on
A. what type of psyker level you are
B. how much training youve had
crisp heath
This^
So basically an untrained psycher is a danger to themselves and everyone around them
umbral nymph
and psyker levels range from
making the room slightly chilly to
Exterminatus Bomb Mk3
crisp heath
They can cause catastrophes with the slightest fluctuations of their will or emotion. And worse case open portals to hell through which demons pour through
But. When trained. They are able to focus their abilities to far greater affect.
umbral nymph
imagine sneezing then suddenly some bloodletters decide to chill on your couch
crisp heath
Doing far more damage but in a controlled manner
rigid dune
Because mutants are already viewed as something bad no? And a mutant with psyker abilities is like double bad, is that even something the imperium would deploy? Or would that be so much heresy they would look to exterminate it instead?
umbral nymph
Because mutants are already viewed as something bad no? And a mutant with psyker...
very YES
umbral nymph
I present Primaris Psykers
yes imperial guard psykers
umbral nymph
WITNESS YOUR DOOOM
green loom
Wyrdvane groups are lesser ones that are thrown in groups to make up for their meagre powers
umbral nymph
btw NOT AT ALL related to Primaris Marines
crisp heath
Basically the more normal, average psychers
Are wyrdvane
@umbral nymph they are in who started them
snow fern
If you can stand on your own two feet. Primaris psyker
crisp heath
I believe
snow fern
That or get snatched away by the Inquisition, they love their psykers
green loom
crisp heath
No I mean the guy that created the primaris marines also started the primaris psycher legion. He didn't make them, just set them up as a group obviously
I could be wrong though
umbral nymph
You can see alot of the Psyker drip in Darktide are just sanctioned psyker characters either from the Inquisition or the Imperial Guard
umbral nymph
No I mean the guy that created the primaris marines also started the primaris ps...
I have not heard of Cawl creating the Primaris Psykers,
I know they are just really strong psykers that the guard uses
snow fern
There’s also rogue trader and navigator stuff for whatever reasons
crisp heath
Not created them, just their like, military organization
rigid dune
Is there a difference between the vox communications devices and a normal radio? Does vox machine work on some magic stuff?
crisp heath
I think so. It's a different wavelength
umbral nymph
I could be wrong
So looking at it, Primaris Psykers are formed by the Scolastika Psykana of the Adeptus Astra Telepathica (Hogwarts but grimdark)
So they are most likely not involved with Admech. So very unlikely Cawl had a hand in creating their regiment org
crisp heath
That said, it's also a catch all term for any and all communications@rigid dune
@umbral nymph fair enough
umbral nymph
Is there a difference between the vox communications devices and a normal radio?...
a lot of 40k terms are just high gothic words that correspond to real life words
rule of cool
green loom
Vox literally just means voice
crisp heath
It's a catch-all term for communications equipment. In much the same way as "promethium" doesn't refer to a specific type of fuel, 'vox' is just whatever local variant is being used at the time, and comes in all shapes and sizes, many of which are analogous to our real-world communication methods. It refers to a whole host of battlefield comms systems - personal radios, vehicle comms, battlefield networks and so on. Usually depicted as voice only, but there's also video & hologram tech (Skype for Space Marines basically)
rigid dune
So Hadron could just blast Caramelldansen over the loudspeakers if she wanted to?
umbral nymph
So Hadron could just blast Caramelldansen over the loudspeakers if she wanted to...
yes
crisp heath
Don't know them, but yea, feasibly
umbral nymph
brings to mind how Sisters of Battle literally blare church music from their veichles and ships
crisp heath
^
umbral nymph
they have their own background music which is unfair for other units
crisp heath
And slaanesh Marines use guitars and play music so loud it turns you to putty
umbral nymph
I still belive this model is canon somewhere
I mean the latest model is cool and all, but nothing beats literally melting your enemies faces with your riff
crisp heath
Nothing bro lol
umbral nymph
probably playing trough the fire and flames
crisp heath
But no lie the new model do got drip though
umbral nymph
"CAN I SPEAK TO YOUR MANAGER"
rigid dune
So what are the karnak twins? They look big for being human
crisp heath
They are just cultists
umbral nymph
So what are the karnak twins? They look big for being human
either they are big before corruption or they got some nurgle blessing steroids
crisp heath
High ranking cultists, but that's all
umbral nymph
but basically they are just very sick but very strong humans
crisp heath
When you go to chaos. You literally get magic buffs
Theyre rotting super human corpses
rigid dune
So why was Zola so obsessed with them exactly?
crisp heath
No one's sure yet
crisp heath
But it seems like her and wolfer have history
umbral nymph
we can only speculate
crisp heath
And she wants revenge for whatever happened on the ship when we escaped and found her
Other than that it's anybodys guess
umbral nymph
either they have history or wolfer has something that Zola wants, may it be someone, somthing or info is up in the air
crisp heath
Or literally any number of things. They really haven't alluded much more about it yet afaik
rigid dune
I also dont fully grasp the moebian sixth, are those native to the hive?
crisp heath
No
umbral nymph
whatever it is, it so important that Zola willingly risk their whole operation to get it. so its probably big on her end
crisp heath
Native to this sector of space
umbral nymph
I also dont fully grasp the moebian sixth, are those native to the hive?
they basically guard the fringes of their sector
same as the Mobian 21st but they are assigned a better sector. well marginally better
story is they were just doing a pit stop on Atoma to ressuply and go back to their sector when the inquisition was like
"you work for me now"
crisp heath
^
umbral nymph
as for the 6th. its your typical case of "THE HORRORS IVE SEEN" type deal so they rebelled
umbral nymph
well not entirely the reason. there is speculation it was also orchestrated by some good old corruption from the higher ups. probably the governor
crisp heath
Basically the moebian 6th is a regiment made up of natives of all the worlds in this sector. They'd been deployed for a while to the front of The Fringe, basically the very edge of imperial space where war is literally a daily occurrence against everything from daemons to unknown xenos.
green loom
Shellshook?
crisp heath
There they were corrupted by Nurgle, came back and here we are
umbral nymph
Shellshocked
well if youre specialty in fighting xenos is literally "aighth square up" and going melee with them.. i kinda get it
green loom
Shellshooketh
umbral nymph
There they were corrupted by Nurgle, came back and here we are
i think they were corrupted not necesarily by nurgle at first, its when they landed on atoma and met the cult (scabs) that they pledge to nurgle and got their super powers
crisp heath
Shook of the shell, they seem to be. Yerm.
green loom
Shribly shlakdd
crisp heath
Lol sorry the Yoda came out in me lolol
green loom
Their shells have been shaken
crisp heath
@umbral nymph nah, it was 100 percent out in The Fringe
The were traitors before they came back to Atoma
umbral nymph
The were traitors before they came back to Atoma
oh i know they were traitors already before going back
i just think they havent pledged to nurgle per say before landing to atoma
green loom
Cbt
umbral nymph
before going back to atoma they were already disolusioned and planning to rebel but they havent shown there colors yet. thats how they got to deploy all around atoma without much resistance. becuase they were sent back to deal with the cult. that was their original purpose for going back but instead of killing they actually joined them and pledged to the deity of the cult (nurgle) thats when they mutated and got powers and basically suprised attacked the whole underhive
thats how I understood how this all started atleast
this would explain how they got so much of the hive controlled. its very hard seiging a hive from outside
crisp heath
They already had abilities prior to arrival however. We see that when wolfer is rescued during our escape. His face is literally missing.
I think it was just a concerted attack. They were turned out in the fringe while the cult started in Atoma. Nurgle can act in both places at once and influence both
umbral nymph
They already had abilities prior to arrival however. We see that when wolfer is ...
well yeah wolfer got caught when the rebellion was alread on full swing, zola was already under ranick she was recruited after the 6th took over atoma.
our characters joined the fight after the threath of the 6th was already contained
crisp heath
Idk... like we see wolfer touch down though
He hadn't arrived to atoma yet
We see him arrive
That's why Zola takes off
So he was already under Nurgle before getting to Atoma
But hey, I don't think it's really been shown or explained, so maybe neither of us are right
umbral nymph
ahh nah i get it, i think wolfer was already rebelling it up on atoma way before we arrived. i think he was captured during this time, escaped, crafted a new suit of armor and then went back to the scene with the karnak twins in tow in the latest cinemtic