40k-lore-chat

[lime edge]

I am a simple person. I see cool stuff I enjoy.

[dusk patrol]

Giant 800 lbs dudes with roman themes who use close quarters shock tactics, bolter weapons, flamers

And then there’s the Cabal

[lime edge]

I won't deny my self the idiot pleasure of big guys in armor

[arctic talon]

Also the cabal didn’t use flamethrowers in 1

They brought those in during destiny 2 to burn out humans and the hive lol

[lime edge]

I can enjoy the deeper parts of lore and the settings. But sometimes cool art and desgin is a nice thing to just enjoy

[dusk patrol]

Tbf they had like four units in 1

[lime edge]

The fallen dispite the fact I can't understand their lore much i like the look of

[arctic talon]

Psions, legionaries, phalanx, centurions and colossi yeah

[dusk patrol]

insect noises intensifies

[arctic talon]

Excluding the fucking tank lol

[arctic talon]

Dismantle mines yes

[dusk patrol]

Oooooorrrr

you die

SYLOK, THE DEFILED

[arctic talon]

KEKSIS, THE BETRAYED

[dusk patrol]

headset being blown out noises

[arctic talon]

God

His announcements in prison of elders

[green loom]

Kek, sis

[arctic talon]

Were so fucking loud

[dusk patrol]

You know in hindsight it’s insane how little content actually dropped with all those

And how much we put up with

[dire apex]

That’s the bungie touch

[arctic talon]

https://youtu.be/bDhivZ_59_w?si=e7T0SeyzIBYUh2B-

[dire apex]

And the destiny player’s psychosis

[dusk patrol]

You hear about dat dere Taniks Dale?

I hear dat boy ain’t got no house.

[arctic talon]

Lol

[arctic talon]

GW releasing fallen(maybe) minis after 10,000 years

(They’re loyalist)

[green loom]

AYO

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/finally-tardy-lebron-james-gif-21439211

[storm jungle]

FINALLY

NO MORE

oh wait its Inner Circle

[arctic talon]

I think they’re fallen bcs of scheme

I am not insane

[storm jungle]

I looked at the text 💀

[arctic talon]

Still could be fallen

[storm jungle]

tho the Inner Circle literally was from ex-Fallen with the Lion's return, so we circle around to it being correct I guess???

[arctic talon]

Tbf any ex fallen that lion has redeemed are gona be in the inner circle

[storm jungle]

pretty much

new DA lore is literally non-existant rn

im guessing it will all be covered in their 10ed Codex

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[dusk patrol]

Sick

[open umbra]

Happy Sanguinala brothers

[median marsh]

I know it's supposed to be smoke but my mans bolter looks like it's sealed

[coarse pumice]

Forgot to drill out the barrel, or at least pain black

Fairly commonly missed when working on the miniature

[summer mural]

is the emperors face rn visible

[median marsh]

Emps currently is more of a skeleton

[velvet imp]

Well tis the season now (depending on where you live).....

[rigid dune]

Is spears/long poke stick weapons a thing in 40k? Im thinking as we had some in vermintide but nothing similar here

[median marsh]

stuff like power glaives exist, spears too

One of Emperors own weapons was a spear

[queen laurel]

Yeah power spears are a thing

heck power anything is a thing

And of course you can just have the basic Spears because you don't have the money to afford the good ones

[median marsh]

Feudal World moment

It's still messing with me that custodes use "Guardian Spears" even though they're more like Glaives than spears

[queen laurel]

It's a knife on a stick with a gun is the argument but yeah it's definitely more like a glaive

[celest dome]

Veteran: Hunting Spear (Krak; Shock; Plasma; Melta)
Psyker: Force Glaive
Common: 2h Chain Axe; 2h Power Halberd
Admech: Taser Lance; Arc lance
Sister: Anointed Halberd (Power)

In short any (Historical) weapon can exist in any of the following form:
Mundane; Mono-filament; Chain; Power (Shock; Thunder); Force; Sonic (admech); Arc (admech)

Plus a few other that are rarer

[storm jungle]

Lmao GW panicking and releasing these early when leaks get out if my favorite tradition

[arctic talon]

Trans sonic is def the weirdest type of melee

Since the first swings arguably don’t do much till they adjust

To what they’re hitting

[celest dome]

I though they adjusted at the moment they struck against the armour ?

[arctic talon]

It takes a swing or two usually

And the calibrations get spread around the squad/force as a whole

[celest dome]

Huh, didn't know that, is it specified in the Codex ?

Cause otherwise I think it would probably work like a Power Sword

[arctic talon]

Yeah, also in the not so great skitarius and tech priest books

They’re really weird weapons

[celest dome]

Easiest way would be to have it simply be like the Force Swords

[fervent idol]

Merry Christmas

[storm jungle]

Ah its crimmas

[queen laurel]

You know what that means it's the holiday that celebrates the ass whopping of sanguinius

[storm jungle]

[fervent idol]

Nice

[mild rapids]

I think the funniest one was them releasing updated Dante early after they sent someone the wrong model and it leaked >_>

[storm jungle]

[vale fjord]

Remembering a dialogue between a seer and a certain vet voice that I don't remember, how can a pysker just make someone disappear

[storm jungle]

yeah thats the Seer

[vale fjord]

Yes I know that

[storm jungle]

he talks about how a medicognisant (basically just a physician) warned him about his powers, so he made him disappear

[vale fjord]

[storm jungle]

My guy didn't want people shit-talking his imaginary husband

[queen laurel]

Probably made the guy disappear by incinerating him into dust with lightning

or fire

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[queen laurel]

also could have mutated the guy into something

[vale fjord]

Still tho

[queen laurel]

god damn being a therapist for a psyker must be hard work

[vale fjord]

He didn't describe what he did he just says the dude disappeared

[vale fjord]

Not reallt

As long as you don't get the most unhinged and dangerous pysker (like the seer) youll be fine

Me personally I don't wanna be the loner's therapist

[mild rapids]

Or Idira from Rogue Trader 😛

[vale fjord]

Gonna have arguments all day

[mild rapids]

Wouldnt want to be her therapist

[median marsh]

I imagine it wasn't quick

Considering seer complains others don't let em "do horrible things" to their targets

[vale fjord]

I'm surprised the seer doesn't trust other pyskers DESPITE BEING THE MOST DERANGED AND POTENTIALy DANGEROUS

[green loom]

Paranoid nutjobs with trust issues? More likely than you think

[vale fjord]

They should add a new voiceline regarding the seer's insanity with other pyskers

I wanna know what he says about the topic

[fervent idol]

@median marsh Explain this name

[median marsh]

Why of course, straight from the palace I come to observe and share knowledge

(and occasionally post terrible memes)

[vale fjord]

Slaanesh writes a wolfer x morrow fanfic cuz why not

[median marsh]

And hadron is there

(its been my name for like years now so I just roll with it)

[green loom]

Praise!

[vale fjord]

Ederius where is the loyalist edition

[green loom]

I've locked him away to make art

I'm here arguing in place of him

[vale fjord]

Alrighty

[median marsh]

Sometimes drawing requires you to lock up a part of you

[green loom]

He's done a good job so far

[median marsh]

Very nice

Meanwhile I stared at my drawing tablet, turned it on, sat in place thinking and then turned it off

[rocky gale]

Didn’t find Sanguinius and Ushoran wrestling playfully under my tree this year, another disappointing Christmas.

[green loom]

I got an oversized hoodie

[fervent idol]

I got an apple

[rocky gale]

Can't go wrong with a succulent apple

[near wasp]

Happy sanguinala

[tired summit]

Since it's Christmas what Christmas gift would vulkan give his brothers?

[storm jungle]

A napalm pipebomb

[rose thorn]

Happy Sanquinia!

wensday im heading to town to blow like 300 usd on warhammer

i, probs gonna get a warcry box and maybe flesh easters or cities or see if there is any boxes on sale

[dusk patrol]

Probably a weapon lol

[rose thorn]

Remember when Corvus made Konrad a gun for some reason

[lapis wadi]

Bikes
All named after a reindeer

Emps gets a techno-sleigh that contains more 'presents' (ordinance) than should rightly fit in there

Jagatai is very happy with the new hoverbike

[velvet imp]

I mean Owlcat did show us a bit more direct experience with Psykers mental issues in Rogue trader. That one side quest where you explore a destroyed Inquisition ship carrying psykers to Terra really shows how easily many can give into the "Voices". The dairy and logs from the crew even mentioned how the one psyker that escalated things for the ship to be destroyed was constantly hearing voices and escaping his cell some how to "spread the word" which cause other psykers to "want to live". The crew working for the Inquisitor of course did not know what the psykers were talking about since they do not "hear the voices" and just thought the psykers were just being desperate

[bronze vigil]

Well tbh Rogue Trader makes the psykers realistic or more lore-friendly, which makes them summon daemons and shit not just explode and go down like a wimp

Would’ve been better if a team psyker goes down there’s a slight chance they can summon some warp rifts and some nurgle daemons come out to play with us

[velvet imp]

I honestly will question why they did not tie Warp Lore to Willpower or give Psyker origin characters the special ability to change Warp Lore from INT to Willpower. It feels like that Pysker Origin characters should have natural knowledge about the Warp the stronger their Willpower is since they can resist the Warp influence better to gain more knowledge about it

[snow fern]

There is a hat that does this. I imagine there just isn’t anything inherent to understanding the warp.

[fervent idol]

Loner freaks

[storm jungle]

[snow fern]

Something don’t seem right

[dusk patrol]

Would be kind dope ngl lol

Although canon Njal would shred almost everything we fight

[tulip brook]

how old is this guy

[dusk patrol]

Quite old

Probably mid 2000s

[tulip brook]

second edition model from 1995. 5th edition update, 2012

[tired summit]

I thought dante was the oldest not Dreadnought spacemarine at 1500?

[dusk patrol]

He’s the oldest loyalist

[tired summit]

That's what I ment

Also unrelated question can squigs be psykers?

[tulip brook]

wyrdsquig

[queen laurel]

Yes

[tired summit]

Ok cool ima make a psyker squig model

[crisp heath]

Actually, a psychic squig is the oldest living space marine

[fervent idol]

Me

I am ready to surf, again.

[crisp heath]

time to settle an age old and totally inconsequential debate; is sanguinala or candlemas the imperial equivalent of christmas?

[remote widget]

Sanguinala is the more recent favoured one, but it could be more a new years thing?

[rocky gale]

I've seen people say that that Sanguinala is supposed to be the 40k version of Easter

[crisp heath]

that's what i was thinking, given it's all about sanguinius' sacrifice and he's very clearly a jesus analogue

but in the eisenhorn books, there's mention of gregor and his retinue celebrating candlemas by lighting candles at a chapel altar to commemorate the dead and mark the coming of the imperial new year

it's an interesting thing to think about, especially given there's actual precedent in history for christmas festivities being moved to the new year in countries which scrutinize its' practice, like the soviet union and presbyterian scotland

[lyric ember]

So, according to the Guardsmens primer, worshipping "false idols", meaning anyone/thing that isnt the emperor or a saint, will have you servitorized and sent to the admech. What if you're worshipping the omnissiah/machine god/motive force instead? Obviously it'd be rare, but it'd definitely happen

[dusk patrol]

Depends

Like everything with 40k

But the Omnissiah/Motive Force/Machine God are supposed to be the Emperor

And how the Emperor is worshipped varies wildly

[lyric ember]

Omnissiah is the emperor

Motive force and machine god are different entities entirely

[green loom]

They worship the Omnissiah, who is emps, who's a herald of the machine god

So it's a case of "Close enough"

[lyric ember]

Well yes, i just am an annoying admech fan

Aka average admech fan

[green loom]

Most people also don't know about it, admech are insular, have special political protection etc. etc.

[lyric ember]

True

Also, i dont remember if i made this up in my head or read it somewhere, do admech yoink injured guardsmen

[crisp heath]

i imagine you'd get a stern talking to from your regimental commissar, and a reminder that it's the omnissiah-emperor

it could also be potentially construed as an alternative form of worshipping the emperor and not really interfered with- many worlds, particularly feral ones, have alternative names for the emperor and are allowed to practice their worship as they see fit by the ministorum, so long as it is in fact the emperor they're worshipping at the end of the day

[crisp heath]

Candlemas is a real world holiday that takes place a month and a half after Christmas. Since it's name isn't overtly religious and it's not widely practiced in the English speaking world, they just recycled the name

[mild rapids]

It depends on the priest really, Some priests will tolerate it as alternate emperor worship on worlds, others might say heresy.

[opal grove]

So I just got into darktide because my friends made me buy it and it's awesome, but I know very little about the lore besides some kind of random shit. Anyone got some video recommendations to start learning about it?

[dusk patrol]

It’s a trinity

[molten swan]

Only admech get to worship the Ommnisiah as the physical manifestation of the Emperor iirc, the rest of humanity worships big E, the motive force is more so something folks like the electro priests worship

Weird bunch

[dusk patrol]

They concepts are supposed to be basically all the same deal, it’s a play off Father Son and Holy Spirit

One thing split into three different ideas

Which is why you see them reference the Omnissiah, Machine God, and Motive force somewhat interchangeably

[molten swan]

The machine god is the Ommnisiah, the motive force and the Ommnisiah are likely based on that tho

And also about other holidays, there’s the Feast of the Emperors Ascension which is “ On many worlds this is a week-long event, with feasting, games and spectacles to honour the Emperor. Often symbolic sacrifices are made in His name, such as the burning of books to offer their knowledge up to Him. It is also an auspicious time to join people in wedlock or conceive children, leading to mass gatherings of citizens intent on one or both of these undertakings. It is also said that during the Emperor’s Ascension, no false judgements can be made, making it impossible to overturn a ruling made during this time”

[dusk patrol]

The trinity is the Omnissiah is the Emperor is a physical manifestation, mostly called the Omnissiah, while the Machine God and Motive Force are more spiritual.

They’re all the same thing just different representations

Which is the same for the Christian trinity

Three in one

[opal grove]

awesome thanks 👍

[fervent idol]

Sons of Horus have some of the best story imo

Raw & authentic storytelling

The first few Horus Heresy novels in general are really good

Top notch

[molten swan]

Also https://youtu.be/M6M9-oFEKpk?si=TK7IVaI2SDywm41a

[dusky scroll]

On top of Marble's recommendation -

1. https://youtu.be/xCGKPRiJp84?si=GHovN9qOpJC9rjM4

2. https://youtu.be/Y6jnsX77TCU?si=5L-6pBhgzXcRObiL

[opal grove]

cool I'll check this out too

[fervent folio]

Hello lore people. I have a question. So I recently finished "The infinite and the divine"

And in one chapter Trazyn refers to the Golden Throne of Terra as "fairly sure its necron tech"

Do we have any confirmation of that ?

Is there any explanation to that anywhere else ?

All i manage to find just refers to the golden throne as either "created by the emperor" Or "a relic from the dark ages"

[green loom]

We don't

Trazyn is guessing, psychic BS is typically not necron AO though

[queen laurel]

It was discovered in a asian ruins but there was no way earth was a necron tomb world

[green loom]

It's likely a mix of old one/golden age tech considering the dark eldar supposedly know how fix it

[tulip brook]

Considering he was nowhere near it, it's hubris. As you may have noticed they have really high opinions of themselves.

[green loom]

And a similar thing is found on the Terra mockup in Horus Rising

[fervent folio]

true, true

Okay, thanks. That clears things up a bit

The lore of 40k is pretty damn.... complex

(I think thats the easiest way of putting it)

[green loom]

It's not that complex

Just bloated

With a lot of filler

Not about to ruin that early magic for you though

[tulip brook]

Good thing is, you have more than enough content for the factions you care for and mostly ignore the fluff

[coarse pumice]

If I don't get chemicals, is my Janus colony stuck forever?

[green loom]

You'll get chemicals

[thorn zenith]

*It's all fun and games until THE LIGHT OF THE IMPERIUM directly strikes back at the immaterium

Rogue Trader is amusing as hell at points

[velvet imp]

it kind of sucks that Argenta's Good ending for Rogue Trader can only be obtained if players ||bring her with them into Chapter 3 since other wise she never reveal the truth the Rogue Trader and thus let the guilt consume her resulting in her bad ending.||

[queen laurel]

I'm also pretty sure you can't move your romance on certain characters unless you bring them

On chapter 3

[velvet imp]

Jae actually does get moved forward if you do not bring her with you in chapter 3 as long you believe Janris so he continue investigating Jae

my game had a bug so it triggered that event despite I did bring Jae with me to Chapter 3

[queen laurel]

Yeah that triggered for me on my first ever playthrough but on my other one didn't even

[velvet imp]

I like how in the True Iconoclast ending the Rogue Trader ||successfully turned the Expanse into what the God Emperor wanted for Terra before Erebus's plans ruined everything. Of course the Imperium hated it and tried to invade so the Rogue Trader and his/her God child decided to "screw you all and this Grimdark future, we're making a Non-Grimdark future spot" and created a pocket dimension where the Expanse continue to exists safely from any invaders while people can come and go as they please as long they do not threaten the safety of the Expanse. Not to mention every attempt to invade by the Imperium always fails because majoirty of people in the Imperium that goes there side with the Rogue Trader. ||

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-emperor-warhammer40000-warhammer40k-astartes-gif-14334202

[queen laurel]

if the emperor was alive he would approve of the rogue trader's iconoclast tendencies to be fair

|| also fighting a rogue trader that literally uses a C'tan shard as a pet it's kind of a suicide thing to do ||

[green loom]

Dude you don't get it, the imperium and all it's evils are so necessary, they're so based

[queen laurel]

If someone unironically uses that as a reason to justify the imperium talking to me I will find where they live and rip out their intestines and strangle them with it

[velvet imp]

not based enough to make people reject chaos with pure human will and the God Empeor's blessing like the Iconoclast

[queen laurel]

yeah the Iconoclast fulfills one thing that i want in an imperial character, common sense and mercy

[velvet imp]

ya it is a very Admiral Spire path in my opinion

[queen laurel]

Well two things but you know what I mean

[thorn zenith]

I made some non iconoclast choices when it comes to dealing with chaos and drukhari, but overall my zealot path is stopped short at almost level 2. Can i still get true iconoclast ending?

And im stopping short before chapter 3, been trying to figure out this "critical task" quest before moving on

[queen laurel]

Once you reach tier 3 in the alignment chart your primary alignment will be that

So when you are tier 3 in iconoclast you can only reach tier 2 in dogmatic and heretical

[thorn zenith]

Yea ive been pushing iconoclast pretty hard, almost level 3 too

[queen laurel]

so if you reach that that's going to be your main alignment

Because if you reach tier three of the alignment there is no going back as far as i can tell

so you reach tier 3 in iconoclasts you are an iconoclast

[thorn zenith]

Im aware of that, so i just have to make iconoclast choices most of the time and theres no "set event" for it, yes?

[queen laurel]

yeah as long as most of your choices are iconoclasts

And you reach tier three you should be set for what you want to be as a person

[thorn zenith]

Cool, thank you

[queen laurel]

NP

[thorn zenith]

And anything else i should know before stepping into chapter 3?

Saw the guys up there talking about bringing companions into chapter 3

[queen laurel]

It's a brutal chapter that's all I'm going to say, bring in the companion you want to move the story forward basically

Some companions can have their stories move forward even if they're not in there but

[velvet imp]

difficulty ramps up from 0 to 100 at this point

[queen laurel]

Pick your favorites and bring them in

[velvet imp]

depending on which companion you bring also determines who gets more companion story as well

Argenta is manditory if you want to get her Good ending

[thorn zenith]

As in choosing which ones stand next to you in the ceremony?

Or is it after that

[velvet imp]

along with a very important main story event that only happens if Argenta is with you in chapter 3

[thorn zenith]

If so then im boned because i chose abelard and cassia

[queen laurel]

The five companions you will bring in this will have their stories move forward, and of course if you're romancing someone, chapter 3 is one of the ways you can move romance forward, argenta like edley said is quite important for the plot

[velvet imp]

you will also need to pass certain skill checks and actions to collect parts if you want to remove the Debuff on Abe and Jae

Pasqal debuff can only be removed if you convinced him to rip it out

which majorty agree is very metal

[coarse pumice]

Permanent debuffs?

[queen laurel]

The unholy flesh can be removed if you kill that specifically hard boss in the abe part

[velvet imp]

ya those ones

[queen laurel]

i don't know

how

[velvet imp]

no it is confirmed a bug that happens if he dies

[queen laurel]

Talking about the time eating monster apparently unholy flesh can be removed using that guy

The one that made abelard old

but of course it's an incredibly hard boss fight

[velvet imp]

ya that is what I am talking about

[thorn zenith]

So what yall are saying is dont worry about it until AFTER chapter 3 begins after we finish the ceremony, then keep Argenta in the squad. Right?

[velvet imp]

the debuff is meant to stay unless you convince him to rip it out but a bug happens when they die that cause them to have it replaced with a trauma

[queen laurel]

Yeah and I'm pretty sure you can't have it healed with the doctor right

I didn't see the option if I remember

[velvet imp]

ya only abe and jae

you have to convince him to rip it out as the legal way

when you find him

[queen laurel]

Alright time to doom eternal it then

[thorn zenith]

And Argenta staying is almost a no brainer, she, Abelard, and Pasqal are the staples of my squad

[queen laurel]

when you enter into chapter 3 argenta is one of the keys to the plot so make sure to bring her along like we said

[velvet imp]

she also does not suffer any consequences there and there is a very good one-handed flamer for her as well

[queen laurel]

or Edli said

[queen laurel]

and if she's physically strong enough she can have the stubber

[thorn zenith]

She has a heavy bolter and heavy flamer on me

[velvet imp]

it is a special one that cause the enemy to explode and damage near by enemies when they die

[queen laurel]

and my god

she is horrifying with that thing

[velvet imp]

next to the toxic flamer

[queen laurel]

oh yeah giving her any flame or ballistic weapon is guaranteed to make her horrifying in the battlefield

[velvet imp]

building Argenta to be the flamer unit ended up being one of the best choices but building her for bolter is easier for most players

[thorn zenith]

I might try slapping solid expert on her and give her the heavy stubber, see how it goes

[velvet imp]

since Arch-militant bolter user is a absolute beast in this game

[queen laurel]

Giving her the increased rate of fire and increase area attack abilities with a bolter is chef's kiss

[velvet imp]

my main character is built to be the Bolter Arch-militant and he absolutely murders half the enemy forces before the first round ends

and that is by chapter 3 and above which bombards you with a lot of enemies

[thorn zenith]

I saw first hand, my Argenta has 125% dodge and is also Arch Militant. Literal bullet firehose sweeping enemies away in a tide of heavy bolter fire

Glorious

[queen laurel]

funny you say that because heavy bolters are quite bad actually, you are better off giving her a normal bolter funnily enough

[velvet imp]

I'll probably focus on the Void faction in my new playthrough since they provided the best Heavy bolter in the game

[thorn zenith]

What? Dakka is no good?

[velvet imp]

there is only enough to build 1 faction per playthrough sadly

[thorn zenith]

I got all the heavy weapon perks

[velvet imp]

though void faction kind of sucks when it comes to colony security

you sacrifice a lot of it to gain huge faction points for them required to make those large reputation requirement leaps in their higher rank

[thorn zenith]

Not sure if bug also but the first heavy bolter that drops from the chaos marine doesnt have bolter requirement

[velvet imp]

it is a heretical requirement gear

heretical players get a lot of good starting gear during chapter 1

[thorn zenith]

And so I promptly gave my Idisa/Isida/whatever her name is the heavy weapons perk and a strength boost. She was my first dakka but fell off quickly

[queen laurel]

You're spamming area attacks it's good but sometimes you want her to snipe and not miss with this it's guaranteed she will hit the target no matter how far and pair it up with a good bolter like this and you got yourself something amazing

[thorn zenith]

I do have that, yes

[velvet imp]

I'm curious when do we get that bolter anyways

I need that for my current playthrough build

for my main character

[queen laurel]

i got this in toy box some of the weapons in this game i can't find

And I look around a lot

[velvet imp]

I am guessing Toybox is given access to gear not in the game yet

I've seen a lot of gears only from toybox and it is ingame items

I am assuming they are for future DLC contents

[queen laurel]

definitely because they have stuff like this

and you can't find that for your space marine buddy

either that's the case or just finding these items are ******* hard

[velvet imp]

maybe these gear are for a new Campaign considering the first thing we get in picking New game is "Choose you Campagin"

but for now we only have 'Rogue Trader" Campaign

[queen laurel]

yeah, i one thing i would love to have is to make my own multiple tile companion that is not a space marine or at least be able to make a custom space marine, like an ogryn is a perfect four tile replacement for a space marine

[thorn zenith]

With all these gears we get even in the early game kinda makes me wish we had an ng+ or at least character import

And ogryns, yes

[queen laurel]

Yeah they would work well as generic replacements for the big guy character being ulfar

[thorn zenith]

Came to think of it, yeah hat makes sense, their burst damage might round up similarly

Heavy bolter having less per round dmg and more chance to miss

[queen laurel]

This is just a suggestion from me heavy bolters are pretty good it's just that it's function can be performed by this weapon but any weapon you can bring has viability no matter what

it's one of the strong points of the game

[thorn zenith]

I mean, i will try normal bolter, but ive specced into heavy weapons so that will come back to being handy against bigger things or swarms

And the dakka brings pleasure

[queen laurel]

Honestly just stick with your build, you're probably going to be spamming area attacks anyway specially if the opponent takes multiple tiles

[thorn zenith]

Yea, i go the area attack spam route (honestly with most characters, now that they dont have atrocious accuracy anymore), so i tend to play around that

I might also respec Idira and Cassia into their psyker and navigator types, since the former is half psyker half heavy, and Cassia is slinging a shotgun

[queen laurel]

i used to make cassia as an amazing grand strategist but I decided to make her full navigator style because of **** like this

She can absolutely **** ** a choke point with this

[thorn zenith]

Yea i first had Cassia as grand strategist too but navigator got some good close range stuff so in my first respec i gave her a shotgun and made her a tactician

[queen laurel]

i still make cassia grand strategist but focusing more on her navigator abilities

[thorn zenith]

But now that my dudes are level 30 i can respec them and make them really lean into their gimmicks instead of trying to crutch things as i go

[queen laurel]

like this ability is way too good to let go

[thorn zenith]

Indeed, way too good

Ive also just discovered the psy rating perk today and felt dumb as hell because i was confused about it since i first started

[queen laurel]

you're not the only one buddy

A lot of the good stuff being specific to the class is all the way down to the scroll tree

pas is a good example of this

a lot of his traits that are absolutely banging are all the way down

[thorn zenith]

Yea, hes only starting to shine as the nukeman very recently

[velvet imp]

ya Cassia will be a very strong Psyker DPS unit as a Master Tactician

she has none of the psyker negative warp effects on her abilities

[queen laurel]

i don't make her a master tactician i make her a bit supportive with grand strategist

alot of my team has alot of damage already anyway

[velvet imp]

and she is a must to have if players want to keep Warp peril low

[thorn zenith]

She also has a perk that reduces warp meter when she uses her abilites, so a great combo with a psyker character

[velvet imp]

I kept pasqal for Grand strategist since his INT stats focus helps more

[queen laurel]

Yep

[thorn zenith]

I was gonna make my main a strategist but i havnt gotten around to doing that yet

[queen laurel]

I make him a bounty hunter to destroy a specific target

[velvet imp]

the focus on INT allows him to contribute and focus on improving Grand Stategist skills compared to Cassia who needs to focus a bit more on Willpower

I may consider in my new playthrough to make a Soldier/Bounty Hunter

[thorn zenith]

So sometimes i have 2 or even 3 tacticians running around granting extra attacks andmaking old Abe and Pasman into swole guys punching mobs into oblivion

[velvet imp]

just have reload crazy abilities and multiple sniping attacks

[queen laurel]

I love Rogue trader's freedom

[velvet imp]

at the sametime, I'm thinking of making my character the Adapt/Bounty Hunter for a new playthrough to focus on Plasma gun

[queen laurel]

Your characters can be built in a variety of fun ways

[velvet imp]

I always prefer my main character to play the Support role in debuffing enemies while doing big DPS

but the whole Bolter build was something I could not resist in my personal playthrough

[thorn zenith]

I gave my first plasma pistol to Heinrix, which he absolutely sucked at so now i made him into a melee assasin to run around taking out weak mobs

[velvet imp]

since the Bolter is my favorite weapon in 40K series

[thorn zenith]

Bolter is indeed based

[velvet imp]

ya Heinrix is not really build for guns

he is more of a Healer and Melee DPS person

[thorn zenith]

Especially when most ballistics and laser weapons i found have been rather shitty damage wise

[velvet imp]

certainly a great Paladin type character by design

[queen laurel]

My character can not only weather the fire of a titan but straight up pick it up and slam it to the floor

[velvet imp]

ya they kind of meme the lasguns this game

[queen laurel]

Yeah i like playing as a vanguard

[velvet imp]

considering how strong they can be lore wise

[thorn zenith]

Yeah i considered making him a a paladin type, but Abe already took that role and Pasqal was already the melee deeps by the time he got in

[velvet imp]

the weapon that killed off 99% of other species/civilization but now have to deal with the 1% resistant to it

[thorn zenith]

Now featuring TEN percent armour piercing

[queen laurel]

Las guns are a very specific weapon to use in rogue trader

[thorn zenith]

And TEN damage per shot

[queen laurel]

The only good last weapons are the snipers

Even then there are way better snipers

[velvet imp]

well next to stub weapons, it is the easiest weapon a civilian can get their hands on in the Grimdark future of 40K

[thorn zenith]

Yea i literally only saw 2 or 3 longlas in my time

[velvet imp]

bolters and melta are great still

but they need specific accessories to fully benefit

[queen laurel]

I love that people will still make fun of the lasgun even though basic ballistic that are not that advanced exist

Like there is literally ak-47s and revolvers in the setting

But they are making fun of the gun that can blow apart concrete no problem

[thorn zenith]

I would attribute that to the fanbase being fanbase

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah 100%

[thorn zenith]

And the fact that lasguns are baseline weapon of the setting, but it should still be waaaay more powerful than the stats give them credit for

[velvet imp]

there is a strong accessory in colony projects that increase damage based on Armor piercing which does a lot for melta weapons

[velvet imp]

I think it is because stub weapons are not shown off often beyond the books

[queen laurel]

Yeah that too

[velvet imp]

I personally never realzie stub weapons are still in use years ago when I was younger until looking into the books that shown civilian life

everything outside of the books always shown the military campaign views of the 40K universe

and I started out the 40K series with Dawn of War 2

[thorn zenith]

That is its vanilla selling point i would think, brutal military actions with standard redshirts dying by the millions and big space marines being hero main guys

I do like it when things on the lower levels and scales are shown (like Darktide)

Something that puts guardsmen on top level of things

[chilly horizon]

Necromunda is one of my favourite settings for that reason

Brings you down to the level of the average hiver where bolt guns are one of the toughest weapons

And ammunition for them are scarce

[tulip brook]

they recently shifted focus to world building more with wh crime and horror

I expect more releases with bolter porn tuned down

[thorn zenith]

and that comic where a krieger got sent to a peaceful agriworld

[green loom]

Just saw a hilarious ass video

[tulip brook]

As a super casual fan, I like to know how it's going in daily life in underhive and whatnot but minute details like weapon types and made up techy terms like "cogitator array" makes me roll my eyes

[thorn zenith]

I mean, they do have an excuse of knowledge being lost, forgotten, and super bastardized when they had to rediscover everything

[velvet imp]

still wish they add the bolt pistol into darktide

[chilly horizon]

Same I want that proper comissar feel

There is plenty of other weapons I also want tho

[velvet imp]

keep in mind a lot of knowledge been lost due to what happened after Horus Heresy

intentionally lost as well since a cult that worship the Emperor as a God slowly took over unchecked

[celest dome]

Will probably happen, models already exist iiirc

[velvet imp]

which lead to founding of the current religion in the Imperium

despite the Emperor giving orders to not treat him as a God and never create a Religion worshipping him as a God

[chilly horizon]

Depending on your hive city but if you are a true nobody. You'll be known as a dreg and basically are a slave paid in scraps to work endlessly in whatever position you find yourself in

Usually menial labour

No education

[velvet imp]

which is why I pick Crime Lord origin

My character had to work his way up from one of countless nobody to someone worth noting in this Grimdark future despite his Iconoclast beliefs

I ended up more like a God Father type character than I thought when playing through my current playthrough

[chilly horizon]

I know most of my lore of hive city's from necromunda which is a pretty unique setting in 40k

[velvet imp]

It also fits more for a Iconoclast character since they experience far more than the Dogmatic life of people living good in the Imperium or sent to be a Imperium Guard and the heretical beliefs of the desperate or unwise

[storm jungle]

All hive worlds are mostly the same

Your worth is always zero and goes between either being a menial or a slave usually

[chilly horizon]

Funny enough if you aren't important good chances are you won't even have a surname.

[velvet imp]

I still find it funny how the Crime Lord surname is Stubb

[chilly horizon]

I mean most people aren't educated or literate so stubb is an app name

[velvet imp]

I do not know if it is intentional easter egg to Governer Stubbs from Dawn of War or by chance

[queen laurel]

Damn companies are hive worlds then fr fr

[storm jungle]

Theres people in 40k who name their kids after tanks so

[chilly horizon]

I don't think atoma works the same but in necromunda , the gangs basically keep the industry alive while the main imperial House keeps the gangs in check and make sure the tithes are paid whilst also getting stupid rich

[tulip brook]

where do jeanstealers and imperial fists fit?

[outer wave]

Twins that are named Lemun and Russ or Land and Raider

[queen laurel]

"Leman Russ Punisher, why have you not finished your meal?"

[velvet imp]

more reason why Crime Lord origin is something I personally pick since it seem the most reasonable outcome for myself if I lived in this Grimdark future. Anything else, I'll be dead or worse.

[tulip brook]

going full circle with tanks being named after primarchs

[chilly horizon]

Yeah I'll rather die in a brutal gang war then die from inhaling asbestos or some chemical sludge

[chilly horizon]

For necromunda?

[tulip brook]

yup

[velvet imp]

don't forget the crazy "opinions" about how people think life was before the Age of Technology ended and what life was like in our current time

[rocky gale]

Pretty sure Necromunda is a recruiting world for the Fists, so they maintain an outpost there

[velvet imp]

they think Monkies have Scorpion tails

[chilly horizon]

Hive secundus a hive city in necromunda had a big jeanstealer outbreak and so the big wigs nuked it. However some genestealers still survive and lurk in the tunnels around the wrecked hive as now super mutated mega genestealers.

[velvet imp]

don't get me started on how serious the Toaster joke really is in 40K era

they will probably be amazed and scared of a cellphone

[chilly horizon]

The imperial fists are there as before House helmawr took control of necromunda they tried to stage a rebellion against the imperium so the imperial fists were sent. They slaughtered all the nobles and a bunch of the population so the biggest gang leader. The leader of the spider gangs and the first helmawr to become planetary governor made a deal he will bring the planet into compliance and if he does he will become in charge of the imperial House and become planetary governor. Which he did and so the imperial fists now watch over necromunda to recruit strong children from gangs and make sure the helmawr line stay in check incase they need to slaughter everyone again.

[celest dome]

Is this lore or fan stuff ? Cause I don't remember this and Lexi say that they were given recruitment right on Necromunda for a victory on an Ork campaign

[chilly horizon]

This is lore

[celest dome]

Any source ?

[chilly horizon]

The source is that I made it the fuck up

Jk

[molten swan]

In M30 the planet was liberated from an Ork presence by the Imperial Fists, establishing the close ties between Necromunda and the Chapter.[3][7e] According to another point of view, it was not Orks but rather a brief defiance of the former Necromunda's human colony against the coming of the Imperium that unleashed a war that made ash wastes from where hive-cities rise.

[celest dome]

Like from memory we never had a gang named Spider, which is why we don't truly know how the Necromundan Spider regiments were/are made

[molten swan]

The 8th are the spiders because they're drawn from the spider clan

The Spider Clan is the dominant gang of the lower levels of Hive Primus. For centuries they have received arms from the Imperial Governor of Necromunda in exchange for keeping rebellious gangs and other anarchic forces under control, having even been paid to fight outside Necromunda. Consequently, the Spiders are officially considered a unit of Necromunda's Planetary Defense Force

necromundas a bit confusing regardless, I love House Delaque though

[chilly horizon]

The spider clan basically doesn't exist anymore so forget about them

Anyway I don't have the books with me rn

And the wikis seem to be missing stuff but it was helmawrs descendents that United the hive city and so got to become planetary governor

[velvet imp]

The lasguns are probably the weapon I like the most next to Bolters

but they really meme it a lot in most 40K content outside of books

they can literally be strong as Bolters or better if modified right

but that maybe consider Tech Heresy due to how the Imperium Copium about the Golden age of 30K era keep them from applying such upgrades

[molten swan]

Only the overcharged lasguns are anything close, and even then they just have more pen than explosive punch like the bolter

[chilly horizon]

Eh hotshot laspacks aren't the rarest thing in the world

[molten swan]

You can overcharge a normal lasgun too, I remember a techpriest doing it on Hydra Cordatus and it almost knocked over a space marine (didnt pen tho)

[chilly horizon]

Fair even b9ltguns struggle to pen space marines without proper ap rounds

[molten swan]

yeah true, gotta have those kraken bolts or the other ap type

[green loom]

There's rules for it in kill team as well

[chilly horizon]

Is it blooded?

[soft thunder]

is there any reference to thunder hammers or similar tech being used for mining in 40k? The commissary skins for thumber hammers look like rock breaking sledge hammers.

[green loom]

Vet guards get rules for overcharged laspacks iirc

[storm jungle]

Most GSC gear

stuff like power-pickaxes and power-jackhammers exist

[velvet imp]

I feel like Warp Lore is not used much in Rogue trader

it is mostly so far been for extra lore and maybe certain random encounters during warp travel

the battle at the machine citadel is such a interest part of chapter 4

if you handle the book story part right then you'll get the support of the Space wolves in the fight

due to your leadership keeping them alive during the assult

the final part with the weapon skill check also have a secondary skill check if you fail being persuasion check which happens if you done things right and have 170 Persuasion

[wintry scarab]

Howcome all chaos terminators have tusks?

[rocky gale]

Because Elephants are cool

[soft thunder]

it's provocative it gets the chaos gods going

[arctic talon]

Chaos corruption/drip

[wintry scarab]

But even iron worriors have them. Dont the iron worriors get rid of all the gross chaos stuff?

[arctic talon]

Depends on the individual

The largest group of iron warriors follow Perturabo around

Who’s a literal daemon primarch

And they have possesed and obliterators in their ranks

[dusky scroll]

Do Necromunda trade with the rest of the imperium?

[molten swan]

yeah

they make a bunch of stuff thats why the worlds important

Necromunda's great hive city-based manufactoria produce lasguns, autoguns, shotguns and bolters, among other weapons important for the Imperial armed forces. The planet also levies huge numbers of troops for the Astra Militarum, most notably the regiments of the Necromundan Guard, as well as other crucial supplies.

Also, I pray we see Perty soon

[storm jungle]

Its what everyone has said and also for marketing purposes.

The tusks are what makes Chaos Terminators cool, you can't exactly remove that.

[molten swan]

my termies never have tusks as an IW, I try to model them after tyrant siege termies

but otherwise, its insane we still havent seen what daemon perty looks like, iirc he's still more mortal looking than the other daemon primarchs, but still daemonic of course

Also yeah iron warriors cut off their mutations if they get any and replace them with bionics generally, very non-chaos god aligned bunch (some still fall to chaos fully)

[wintry scarab]

Yeah, but you could make them metal or something. To retain the iron warriors theme. Idk.

[storm jungle]

Im gonna dip you in a vat of molten metal

how about that

[wintry scarab]

rude

[storm jungle]

hehehe

[storm jungle]

But basically yeah IW are not a special god-alligned army so its why you wont get custom models like Dragos' here

like you CAN kitbash sure but base termies always get husks

[arctic talon]

It depends on the warband tbh

you can't cut off your mutation if you're a fucking obliterator

you are the mutation at that point lol

[outer wave]

Do you guys think Obliterators/Mutilators could mutate into something bigger?

Could they merge with knights and such if blessings were strong enough while being exposed to a knight?

[arctic talon]

good question

[celest dome]

In theory they could fuse with anything they are close for long enough, but I don't think we've seen one fused with anything yet

[outer wave]

Would be cool if we saw one fuse with a forge world or a knight

Kinda like that one story about an ork becoming part of a forge world or something along those lines

Honestly I wonder if Chaos Spawn could do this as well, assuming they stay alive for long enough

[arctic talon]

Chaos spawn tend to be too uh

unstable

[storm jungle]

yeah what Cacti said, these guys just follow a "template" because they are miniatures.

in reality they could literally be anything lol

[arctic talon]

I think the big thing with obliterators is they just would need more time

to fuse with bigger stuff

[celest dome]

It's the same thing with the Tusks on the Chaos Termie

[outer wave]

The tusks?

What about the tusks on the chaos termie exactly?

[celest dome]

Nearly all Chaos Termi art has them due to official mini having them

[outer wave]

Ahhh gotcha

[arctic talon]

tbh if you don't like the tusks on your mini you can just cut them off

and the thing still looks fine

[green loom]

Bruh

Holy shit

Idira's quest

Has a boss fight that's genuinely just

Why

[storm jungle]

Lmao owned

[burnt maple]

Lmao, what do you mean?

[green loom]

So I start with cassia yeah

The boss got two turns on her turn alone

[crisp heath]

I'm surprised that phsykers in darktide don't get executed

They almost speak heresy

[viral halo]

they're prob sanctioned as inquisitorial agents now

[arctic talon]

^

They can get away with talking trash now

[viral halo]

and there be a lotta radicals in the inq

[arctic talon]

The Seer is by far the most volatile of the 3

The Savant and Loner both seem relatively chill

[viral halo]

yea they took a bunch of peyote and went hog wild

[crisp heath]

Huh

So you can trash talk the imperium if you are a high class agent?

Noted 🙂

[arctic talon]

pretty much

Also they don't say anything like

actively super heretical

[crisp heath]

They are edging on it

Like right there

[arctic talon]

Loner mostly yeah

but the Loner speaks no lies 💀

Everything that comes out the Loner's mouth is the truth

The Savant doesn't say anything heretical tbh

The Seer is just insane

[crisp heath]

That's the one I use

Savant

I'm surprised they actually kept that in there with the amount of heresy they spit

I honestly wish we could play as heretics at some point

[arctic talon]

Tbh they're useful

so thats why

also the Loner still really hates chaos

they just also hate the imperium

[crisp heath]

I wanna face necrons

[arctic talon]

mfw instant fucking death

[crisp heath]

That would be fun

[arctic talon]

[crisp heath]

TRUE

[arctic talon]

Every enemy is as durable as a fucking Crusher

and can get back up

[crisp heath]

Plus

They basically vaporize you

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-cope-warhammer-meme-shut-up-gif-24598622

[crisp heath]

If you think about it

Necrons are just goth robots

Egyptian details

Skeletons

[arctic talon]

lol

[crisp heath]

And love killing things 🙂

[celest dome]

You fear Necron warrior
I fear Flayed ones

[crisp heath]

Those are worse

Durable and will kill you slower

[arctic talon]

Also will wear your face

[celest dome]

I wonder what game system would be suited for a Necron PoV

Or Necron centric game

[arctic talon]

CiV

/hj

[arctic talon]

Some sort of top down tactical game would work

[celest dome]

In fairness all the factions could work in rts

Like DoW is already there

[crisp heath]

Or just skin in general

[arctic talon]

yeah

dynasty warriors as a necron overlord

hear me out

okay

Necron overlords are like comically overpowered

and have a bunch of insane tools right

have you play as a Necron Overlord vs Orks invading your tomb world

[thorn zenith]

Yea loner spits some legit stuff and is probably only tolerated because they bring results and the warband is short on people

[celest dome]

Make it the Admech and I'm waiting on it

[crisp heath]

Also

What happened to cadia

[celest dome]

Broke

[crisp heath]

😦

[arctic talon]

It blew up

[chilly horizon]

Let's be honest the way half of these guys talk to rannick and other high rank members directly to them should end up getting them all shot or accidentally placed somewhere with a bit too many traitors for them to handle

[arctic talon]

tbh

our characters never directly talk to Rannick lol

they just say sus shit on the open radio

[celest dome]

And the mission where we have Rannick as Vocator does make it seem like he is ok with a lot of stuff as long as the campaign is going well

[chilly horizon]

I was really thinking rannick was just gonna off zola

[arctic talon]

She's too useful

[crisp heath]

What's with the iron hands

[celest dome]

What about them ?

[crisp heath]

I see a lot of gore memes talking about them

Not real stuff

[arctic talon]

"the flesh is weak"

[chilly horizon]

The iron hands chapter with their primarch mr Iron Hands who had Iron hands and so names his legion the Iron hands

[spring cairn]

you'll never guess the name of his flagship

[crisp heath]

the iron hand

[inland sigil]

The Iron Ship?

[arctic talon]

Fist of iron

[stray bluff]

Average Auric Maelstorm experience

[snow fern]

No wonder Ferrus got merced

[cloud grotto]

I just realized when Melk and Hallowette are bitching at each other in Ascension Riser, Melk says "Grendyl shall hear of this" and Hallowette says "Pop along and tell him then". Do you think that confirms Grendyl as male?

Since Hallowette works for Brahms and not Grendyl I'm not sure she's actually MET Grendyl so I'm not 100%

[green loom]

Grendyl is referred to as he pretty consistently afaik

[cloud grotto]

I guess that's just the first time I actually noticed, I always thought they just say Grendyl

[green loom]

But I wouldn't take anything as confirmation until we see the dude in person

[cloud grotto]

I'm guessing he'll end up being the narrator for a mission, like Rannick in the carnival or orthus offensive

though he might still be voice modulating

[chilly horizon]

I prefer just never seeing Grendyl

Just shows off how important he is that he doesn't even bother talking to his troops

[lunar notch]

Ripped this from the files earlier, I figure someone here might want it.

[arctic talon]

I'm stealing that, thank you

[soft thunder]

anyone remember what all the trust level cutscenes are?

[storm jungle]

You can watch em all on youtube

[soft thunder]

ok finally found a playlist stating the trust level lol

[storm jungle]

[tough haven]

I want to use the funny eldar character, but Idk who to replace, I like all my retinue

[rose thorn]

ROGUE TRADER IS THE EBST GAME YOU CAN IMPORT YOUR OWN OC

AAAA

[soft thunder]

Rogue Trader worth it? haven't played an owlcat or digital DnD game b4

[rose thorn]

i got i for chirsmas bnut i would say yes

i sure do hope i dont end up comissionig an artist with my whole paycheck to make my rogue trader sona

[thorn zenith]

levels and all or just the likeness?

[rose thorn]

There is a custom portrait so if you have art you can just put in there and make your model look like the art

[queen laurel]

The game gave me an idea for my oc, Jonathos "Mad" Kyron

he's a battle priest on power armor

[arctic talon]

which funny eldar

[dusk patrol]

Yrliet is about as far from funny as can be

I don’t know if she actually makes a joke or attempt at humor in the entire game

[queen laurel]

not even an ounce of it

She does not make a funny humor stuff

like at all

[dusk patrol]

Yrliet is a lot of things

Strong conversationalist, not one of those

[queen laurel]

||her ending if you do all of her companion quest is amazing tho||

probably one of the best

[dusk patrol]

Ill have to make sure I do

[queen laurel]

should be easy to do if you're an iconoclast

[dusk patrol]

I might have already tbh

I’m trying to use toybox to finish a Argenta one that bugged out for me awhile ago

And I failed it

Not sure if I can undo that

[queen laurel]

yeah fuckin some of the quests are very hard to complete because of that bugging out stuff

[dusk patrol]

I’m definitely gonna wait awhile to replay the game I think

[queen laurel]

but i can definitely applaud owl cat because they are actually fixing the game

[dusk patrol]

For the dlcs and stuff

And it’s in a better state

[queen laurel]

yeah same I could try another run with a new build but I'm just way too attached to being a vanguard

[dusk patrol]

Arch Militant is really fun

Paired with Warrior

[queen laurel]

warrior vanguard is so ******* funny, like you could literally just cast a couple of skills and suddenly you could shrug off plasma guns and missiles in a single turn

[dusk patrol]

Warrior really does feel like the best RT class

[queen laurel]

and the wounds you stack

[dusk patrol]

Officer is good too but

Warrior’s ult is so fucking strong

[queen laurel]

I can see daring breach is too good

Especially if you got the replenish movement upgrade on it

You could go around the entire battle arena killing a lot of the enemy

And if you can't kill the big target, you have probably taunted it already

And in the next turn you watch as all of its attacks bounce off of you, and you proceed to nuke it with a buffed and boosted melee attack

[velvet imp]

get use to it. She is under a strick no emotion policy for herself to prevent Slaanesh from influencing her anyway

though she does not do a good job at it

atleast she will help the Rogue trader resolve the Eldar issue if you are Iconoclast

[queen laurel]

it's actually kind of fun to make her see that not every single human is bad

Or at least there is a human that can respect her and even help her

[stray bluff]

Use AI to make ur OC Rogue Trader that looks like you

[median marsh]

Or better, pay an artist

[velvet imp]

the result for the other eldar is interesting as well when going Iconoclast

the Seer in Judas actually admits he likes being with the humans

either way the Good ending for the Elder|| end up having them all leave the Expanse to find a new home in other far regions of the Galaxy to prevent war in the Expanse over former Eldar worlds thanks to Yrliet's help||

[coarse pumice]

is Toybox essential for some parts of the game? that are bugged and don't work

[dusk patrol]

I would say yes

[queen laurel]

It's sometimes useful but sometimes even with it you just have to load the save before you encountered the bug

[dusk patrol]

As of now it’s kept me from being unable to progress multiple times

[queen laurel]

some bugs are just way too brutal even for it

[dusk patrol]

And there’s some quests which apparently cannot be done without it

Also, it’s there for when difficulty spikes are at their peak

[queen laurel]

And of course it's one of probably the only ways to obtain some of the best weapons for certain characters

because finding specific stuff can be a *****

I'M LOOKING AT YOU ULFAR

[coarse pumice]

the bug I got was one of my colonies devepments just gave no rewards, and did the same after reloading

I swear I've spent half this game on the level up screen reading all the talents

[queen laurel]

i use toybox to fuck around but that can be fix i think

I don't know how because I don't have encounter problems with my game most of the time

[crisp heath]

I've deleted the game. I'm tired of dicking around waiting on companies to work with consoles because pcs can just brute force everything so it seems as if there's no issue. I've been lied to multiple times by RT and Owlcat community mods. I'm done with the game and I hate I gave the company the money I did. Literally have been on Footfall for a week now because every single mechanic in the game is a luck dice roll to see if it shuts it off or not. From dialog, to combat. To saving the game. Hell just moving in the wrong direction or pausing the game can do it.

Maybe I'll give it another chance because I spent the cash I did on it, if they actually decide to fix things, if I actually remember to check it back out. Maybe in a year when I give a shit again.

[storm jungle]

They are literally making weekly patches constantly 💀

[queen laurel]

bro this game isn't even as bad as you say it is like literally they release fixes constantly

They actually care about the game unlike other game companies

[storm jungle]

Yeah the fact that people love this game minus all the bugs says a lot.

[queen laurel]

yeah i admit it definitely has issues but it's not the worst compared to

holy crap the list won't stop

The amount of games this thing beats on its release date is ******* amazing

[celest dome]

If I dropped the pathfinder games due to the system (though I played and like pathfinder as a role play game), would it still like Rogue Trader or is it more streamlined than it ?

[plush mason]

its very chunky like the TT was which is Owlcat's MO. but the other systems are a vast improvement over wrath

the colony management is so much better than the crusade management and i say that as someone that loved that system

[celest dome]

So still more chunky than Bg3 or Wasteland 3 for example ?

[plush mason]

yes

[thorn zenith]

i am trying to find this thriced damned personal cogitator thats needed for some quests, and if it is that big one opposite from the elevator then its not letting me finish the quest

[pale onyx]

Rogue trader is so much fun, they didn't censor anything either which I love. While it is a bit buggy and clunky, the lore aspect and social aspect is the best

[storm jungle]

Yeah literally the only curse they dont use is "fuck"

which is the usual Warhammer thing

[plush mason]

i love how even the "good guy" path is you still being an asshole just not as big of one

[pale onyx]

and you can still execute the poor, kill all xenos on nsight without talking to them and be considered the good guy. As is warhammer 40k fashion

[plush mason]

yup

[storm jungle]

Well no

[thorn zenith]

technically they censored my romance scene with Jae because my whole ass character goes invisible

[pale onyx]

xD

[plush mason]

that bug is funny

[pale onyx]

I wanted to romance her too but hwen I found out her dealings I had to execute her for heresy

[thorn zenith]

literally floating guns, killed me first time i saw it

[plush mason]

same

[thorn zenith]

yea you gotta be an iconoclast, have some good patience, or a freak to romance Jae

[pale onyx]

wdym no, im still the emperors chosen rogue trader, loyalist to the emperah

[storm jungle]

Imma rogue trader your ship in a second

[pale onyx]

going full heretic next run so imma romance the xenos

[storm jungle]

romancing them is not really seen as heretical

the companions barely react to it too

tho you DO tell them to shut the fuck up

[pale onyx]

well as a loyalist to the emperah I must usfffer not the xenos

[plush mason]

how is banging a dark eldar not heretical?

[thorn zenith]

tap that [spelf] ass

[storm jungle]

Heinrix seemed fine with it

[crisp heath]

Who's going to stop you?

[plush mason]

true

[storm jungle]

^

[summer mural]

inquisitors probably bang dark eldars all day

[storm jungle]

I hunted my lower deck members with Marazhai to appease him and he got very horny over it.

and i was like

"normal imperials literally constantly do this"

"I just have a dark eldar with me now"

KEK

[thorn zenith]

wtf anything that is not killing dark eldar is full heretical

[pale onyx]

yeah, co operating with any xenos is heresy. (ofcoruse there has been instances of space marines co operating with them but thatss different)

[plush mason]

||the lord inquisitor is a radical that might be on the edge of heresy so i doubt he would be bother caring about it||

[thorn zenith]

they are horrible and my boy Pasqal will fuck them up

[storm jungle]

Yeah he does not care.

the excuse you get is "Whatever you can use to achieve your goal."

[crisp heath]

Imperials can and do get along with eldar about as well as a xenophobe can with a foreigner, that would probably include drukhari if they'd just stop being dicks with all the piracy and slave raids and what have you

[plush mason]

pure radical mindset

[pale onyx]

He's my right hand man in my loyalist playthrough and I see no signs of heresy. Other than the occasional schitzo ramblings when the warp meter is too high

[storm jungle]

LMAO the foreigner example is too real

💀

[plush mason]

thats not the guy im talking about

[queen laurel]

I wouldn't just call him a little bit unhinged I would go as far as to say he is no longer attached to the doorway

[pale onyx]

I thought most loyalists would kill any xenos on sight because of da emperahs words

[thorn zenith]

yea, drukhari are absolute dickwangs unlike the normal, sfw edition

[plush mason]

im talking about his boss

[pale onyx]

ohhh okay

[storm jungle]

News flash

the Imperium is full of hypocrites

[summer mural]

but you can get a lesson in advanced biology from rakarth

[crisp heath]

Not really on the "borderlands" tbh

[queen laurel]

"kill the mutant except the ones with the third eye because we need it"

[celest dome]

The Imperium itself is an hypocrisy

[queen laurel]

"treat them like nobles instead"

[thorn zenith]

there are no good guys in 40k lmao, but iconoclast is the cloesest you get

[pale onyx]

truly digusting, we must have another civil war to rid us from xenos and mutants. (sanctioned mutants built different tho)

[crisp heath]

There are worlds on the very edge on Imperial space where humans and eldar interact more or less civilly, and even in the core of the Imperium they'll hire an ork mercenary band every now and again

[thorn zenith]

no Horus, you still cannot have your Heresy

[plush mason]

also its impossible for anyone to be truly pure dogmatic. life just wont play that way

[pale onyx]

I am ridding the heresy

[storm jungle]

If you are purely dogmatic you will definitely not have a long life like Ignacia lol

[thorn zenith]

going dogmatic is pretty glorious against chaos and drukhari

[crisp heath]

the t'au managed to strong arm the Imperium into actual diplomacy, what horror

[pale onyx]

I always pick dogmatic option

[storm jungle]

Being dogmatic alienates most of your allies/crewmates

its also canonically mostly the "moronic" choices

[pale onyx]

truly terrifying, i'd rather be tortured by the dark elves

[plush mason]

how many times have the imperium needed to rely on xenos against a common foe?

[storm jungle]

Almost all the time lol

[queen laurel]

I love the fact that developing common sense and being kind, somehow doesn't get me executed by being friendly with an inquisitor interrogator

[summer mural]

the xenos helped getting the blue boy back from his power nap

[thorn zenith]

yea, only like 2 or 3 of the companions are hardline dogmatic, others are iconoclast or heretical

[queen laurel]

man i love being so good to people that i become god

[plush mason]

im not talking about the in game stuff. im talking about being pure dogmatic in the setting as a whole

[crisp heath]

If they want to stray from the Emperor's light, they are free to take their filth off my ship. If they come back with an army, they simply are delivering me more heretics to purge.

[green loom]

If you manage to balance the three alignments, the game tells you that the rogue trader avoided falling into fanaticism, heresy and becoming an unfeeling maniac(iconoclash)

[storm jungle]

Yeah dogmatic has its moments but if you are going Purely Dog it gets very boring fast

since its just generic "Shut up im shooting you".

so you literally learn nothing from anyone

lmao

[green loom]

Also only Idira is heretical

I think

[thorn zenith]

going dogmatic against chaos is fun because of the amount of middle finger it slings out

[plush mason]

i have gone dogmatic but with enough iconoclast to get the best results most times

[thorn zenith]

like this one, by Argenta's aadvice

[pale onyx]

yeah I had to abonden her on asome planet for that

[thorn zenith]

i fucking howled when i saw this

[crisp heath]

I picked a few iconoclast options but I don't find dogmatic boring at all lmao

[queen laurel]

Yeah from a story standpoint being heretical it's fun because it's just you going absolutely rails with your thinking and being way more unhinged than a creeky doorway and Iconoclast is the person i want to be around people

[green loom]

Iconoclast leaning with dogma choices here and there is the most "Basic Imperial" you can get

[pale onyx]

they do the warp horrors justice

[crisp heath]

If anything I wish dogmatic would be more cruel and short sighted

[storm jungle]

I usually like being sarcastic with them more.

Letting them do their speech, let Abelard announce me, poke holes in their stupid logic etc.

Because the bad guys just going "OH MY GOD SHUT UP LOYALIST!!!" is very funny.

[plush mason]

you fool you missed a very good buff by not giving her to the inquisition

[thorn zenith]

i am this, i feel attacked but it is all true

[green loom]

Dogmatic is hilarious lol

[crisp heath]

Abelard is also shouting that

[pale onyx]

okay time to reload my 20 hour save

[thorn zenith]

i must try this

[storm jungle]

They get annoyed fast because you treat them as what they are.

Cartoon Villains.

[green loom]

I just sacrified her

[plush mason]

ok dont go that far

just dont miss it on your next dogmatic run

[thorn zenith]

fym giving Idira to the inquisition

[pale onyx]

alright

[queen laurel]

my argument to people talking to me like they are hot shit is, " i have a thunder hammer, and I am rapidly approaching your location"

[green loom]

Also funny thing

[thorn zenith]

I MUST TRY THIS, next time i see a chaos i will go full sarcastic with them

[green loom]

The game doesn't give you enough alignment options to get to Zealot by act 4

[plush mason]

i only did it to avoid the daemon BS she brings

[queen laurel]

talk to heinrix because there is an option to get rid of idira

one of the dialogues

[pale onyx]

remember guys, xenos and mutants are to be killed on sight. unless sanctioned, then they just built different

[green loom]

or it does just barely

[thorn zenith]

i know, but why would you do that

she is beefy as fuck

[green loom]

I had to toybox it lol

[crisp heath]

Oh, I did pick 1 (one) heretical choice: I made my crew wear the heretical uniforms in the tech temple because I saw how much they hated the idea and I thought it was a good chance to remind them that they are powerless when they are in my presence

[queen laurel]

because she doesn't have a magical license?

[plush mason]

she is literally the main cause of most of the warp fuckery happening on the ship

[crisp heath]

I revoked her spine privileges the first chance I got

[queen laurel]

Dude the part going I wonder how the clothes actually wear is genuinely horrifying knowing that you are stuck with this person and you just gave him all this power

[thorn zenith]

i brought Cassia along, and the way she said "Don't make me" made me choose not to. Cassia supremacy is go

[queen laurel]

COWARD, she needs to learn how to be in the outside world

[crisp heath]

She's straight so I made her do it anyway. She can be pampered in the modded playthrough.

[pale onyx]

wish I could romance Cassia but can't as a woman

[thorn zenith]

WHAT oih dammit

[queen laurel]

you can if you have the toybox mod

[pale onyx]

how do I dod that

[queen laurel]

it's on nexus

[green loom]

Go to the workshop, one of the only mods rn

Installing is pretty easy

[celest dome]

I still think not making the character playersexual was stupid

[thorn zenith]

so who can you romance as man and who can you romance as woman

i know i can romance Jae and Heinrix as woman

[crisp heath]

It's a hassle phrog, I'd wait until they release better mod support, which they say will be in an upcoming update

[green loom]

Both can romance Yrilet, Jae and Marazhai
Males get Cassia
Womens get Heinrix

[crisp heath]

everyone is straight except Yrliet, Jae, and Marazhai

[thorn zenith]

cool, thank you

[queen laurel]

man cassia, lady heinrix, jae swings both ways and I'm pretty sure you can also do that with the eldar and dark eldar

[pale onyx]

itsj sut through workshop right?

[green loom]

You have to install it manually

[queen laurel]

you can romance jae right?

[green loom]

Apparently mods for the game work weird

[green loom]

YEs

[green loom]

But it's simple enough, I did it in 5 minutes

[thorn zenith]

WHY IS THE DARK ELDAR HERE-- actually no dont tell me because i have no intention to do so and the bastard will be getting the Foehammer enema in this playthrough

[crisp heath]

I'm pretty sure the secret companions are also romanceable? it's just not talked about much

[pale onyx]

what secret companions

[thorn zenith]

can we toaster our boy pasqal tho

[crisp heath]

If I told you, they wouldn't be very secret

[pale onyx]

tell me, eeeeeeeeeee

[crisp heath]

But nah you can unlock 3 companions based on your morality choices and choosing the right option somewhere in act 3

[pale onyx]

whats act 3?

[crisp heath]

one for each alignment

[queen laurel]

nope, also here's the charts just in case you want to remember them again

[crisp heath]

I was so robbed

Jae should have been the straight, not my beautiful queen

[queen laurel]

she's not up to your standards?

[pale onyx]

btw where do I meet Incendia Bastaal in footfal? I haven't sene her anywhere

[queen laurel]

Have you talked to the liege?

[pale onyx]

yeah

[queen laurel]

Alright now go out the building

You will be met outside

[thorn zenith]

nooooooo

[pale onyx]

I mighttt just be bugged because I did, went out the building. did all the outside shit too on footfall, and when I restored the food shipments i chose dogmatic option to give footfall to Incendia Bastaal who I never met

mighth ave to actually restart

[queen laurel]

wait did you see the guy got shot when you got ambushed by the gang?

[pale onyx]

yeah

[queen laurel]

that guy wasn't him then

I never did that option because I'm not dogmatic

[pale onyx]

the liege is the bald guy by the dining table right?

[queen laurel]

yes leader of kasballica

[green loom]

Did you read the quest right

Cus I think you meant Bastian Chorda

Who's dead

[pale onyx]

maybe

but then how did I miss Incendia Bastaal?

[green loom]

Because that's not a name

[storm jungle]

Incendia Chorda*

[queen laurel]

incendia chorda

[green loom]

You leave the palace and meet Bastian, who offers you that deal, and then gets shot

Incendia Chorda is the rogue trader he served

[pale onyx]

oh okay and then wehre do I meet her?

[queen laurel]

yeah bas is the gut that got domed

[queen laurel]

It's a long ways off

When you start your plan at retaking quest

[pale onyx]

but it syas in the guide I meet her in act2 right?

[queen laurel]

yeah

when your done retaking your planets

[pale onyx]

ohhh all the planets gotcha

yeah only did 1 so far, thanks mate

[thorn zenith]

i think Incendia shows up in your ceremony

[queen laurel]

yes

[pale onyx]

didn't see that when I was being paraded and then ambushed

or is there another one when you take back all 3 planets

[celest dome]

Pascale and the Sister of Battle not being romanceable is a shame

[thorn zenith]

there is another one, your full ceremony comes a fair bit after that

[pale onyx]

ah gotcha

[queen laurel]

yeah making them see that love is a good thing would be very fun but man I would love to romance Abe

just to see his reaction

[green loom]

That was a triumph, because you "Saved" Rykad, that world belongs to the Winterscale, you're Von Valancius

[thorn zenith]

Abe not romancable makes sense and so is Pasqal, but i do wish we could romance Argenta

[pale onyx]

ohh alright. so you dont actually see her physically until you restore all 3 worlds

[green loom]

Fucking christ my internet has sucked for the last 2 days

[thorn zenith]

i think i know who this secret companion is, but related to that where the hell is the cogitator on the bridge

it has been driving me mad for days

[queen laurel]

Pasqual i get where you're coming from but mechanicus can love and in Lore they have shown capability with emotion

like this guy from mechanicus

[thorn zenith]

counterpoint: our boy Pasqal just doesnt seem to give a shit

[queen laurel]

yeah but fuck that i want more romance options

[crisp heath]

pasqal got his mouth replaced so people would stop kissing him

[queen laurel]

that is logical

[thorn zenith]

Pasqal is my angry melee nuke man and he is a staple of my squad

i am both very tempted to ask a lot of questions but i also want to not ask any becasue of potential spoilers

but that lord inquisitor perfectly displays how irritating it is to deal with lord inquisitors

[queen laurel]

not all of them are like that though, if you think talking to him now is fun, OH BOY the end game going to make you feel like you should have shot him when you first met him

[green loom]

Especially when you realize ||99% of it is just intimidation tactics and he actually doesn't give a single fuck||

[thorn zenith]

i will keep that in mind

now, is there a wiki and quest walkthroughs for this game yet because i am going insane with this itsy bitsy little quest

[queen laurel]

nope

[green loom]

Nop

Fucking christ sending a message takes like 20 seconds lmao