40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

In which that case sure

[normal light]

Cause like squad of 8 Bloodletters could handle at least 2 squads of 5 marines

[rigid dune]

So psykers open the can to eat the food while zealots just take a sniff of it

[arctic talon]

The sword of warp bullshit that cuts through everything

My beloved

[normal light]

Ah yes pure chaos

[dire apex]

More like psykers plug in a power cord to the outlet while zealots shove a fork in

[arctic talon]

Pure warp stuff tends to just ignore it

[arctic talon]

LMFAO

[normal light]

Now we need it hard state of matter, meaning warp stone

[snow fern]

Warp stone isn’t in 40k afaik

[arctic talon]

It isn’t

But solidified warp stuff is

[normal light]

Then we must make it real

[arctic talon]

Daemon weapons, wraithbone

[snow fern]

I also don’t know whatever the hell that grey knight “sanctification” stuff is.

[normal light]

More solid warp

[arctic talon]

It’s psychic powers and religious dogma

Their special bullets also use solidified warp stuff of some variety

[normal light]

Fun fact SoBs are great batteries

[arctic talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/763964440378605568/1188344276145418260/IMG_3457.gif?ex=659a2ed9&is=6587b9d9&hm=6563c1f97ae5a6e1138c89d7e03294aa883bca883c9191514db5adfd66f3d6b1&

My honest reaction

I wonder if the holy relic is just a fancy device or if it’s actually faith powers in game

[snow fern]

Yah turns out things that aren’t bound to reality, tend to ignore things made by it. Daemons are tough to kill if nothing else

[normal light]

I think it’s just an icon which was very purified

[arctic talon]

Makes sense

[snow fern]

Mugged a grey knight

[normal light]

Cause no one will give rejects a real relic

And like we have them in abundance

[fervent idol]

EREBUS IS THE TRAITOR

[normal light]

[arctic talon]

Mesozi gifted a chunk of rock from a holy place to the judge zealot lol

Except I’m 99% sure it was just some random rock

[thick cedar]

What exactly is happening in this image?
Its kind of hard to see but the psyker looks like theyre channeling something out of a body

Better image

[arctic talon]

Biomancy

They’re stealing the life force of that body

And using it to project warp lightning

[thick cedar]

shame we cant do that ingame

though the closest we got is warp stacks i guess

[normal light]

[arctic talon]

Tbh if biomancy was a proper option in game it would be really strong lol

Bcs you could heal yourself

Have good melee

And have smite

[normal light]

100%

[arctic talon]

But the disciplines we have in game choosable vaguely are like

[thick cedar]

this is how i imagine how toughness works for psyker

just a small, personal psionic shield

[arctic talon]

Divination, biomancy, Psykenesis

[arctic talon]

Yep

Psykers can generate their own little force field

Toughness for the other classes is uh

Faith for the zealot

[normal light]

Psyker with biomnacy will be just freak with arm blades and steel skin

[arctic talon]

Veteran and ogryn are just built different

[thick cedar]

Ogryn too dumb to feel pain

[arctic talon]

Lol

[normal light]

Basically feel no pain from tabletop

[rose thorn]

Hey battlefleet is pretty alright

[arctic talon]

There’s 0 chance the veteran is getting a refractor shield

Tbh

That shit expensive

[rose thorn]

veteran has the t shirt save and its all he needs

[normal light]

Vets are just full of funky stimulants that they regularly got while on service

[arctic talon]

5+ baby

[normal light]

Aka Combat Drugs

[arctic talon]

Everyone in game has a 5+ save

On the tabletop lol

[normal light]

All my homies run 6+ with 5+ invul

[arctic talon]

Actually ogryn have a 4+

[normal light]

And yes

[rose thorn]

uh, veterans buy on brand?

[normal light]

They are daemons

[arctic talon]

Based and daemon pilled

[dire apex]

Veterans have armor

[arctic talon]

There’s that tempestus scions set

Is there not

[arctic talon]

Yeah flak is a 5+

[dire apex]

There’s a tier 4 plate under that tank top trust me

[arctic talon]

Lol

[normal light]

Tar piting daemonets from deep strike

[normal light]

But it will be 3+ than

[arctic talon]

4+ 🤓

Scions are a 4+

[normal light]

💀

Huh

[arctic talon]

Carapace

[normal light]

Ah yes

They shoot on 3+

[dire apex]

Don’t forget scion berets are flak

[arctic talon]

Tbh realistically speaking all of our player characters are fucking 50 point character minis lol

[normal light]

80

[arctic talon]

Real

[normal light]

Cause they can f*cking smash Beasts of Nurgle

[arctic talon]

Lol

[storm jungle]

A lot of of the playerbase also forgets that we arent talentless homeless people 💀

[rose thorn]

what hte fuck is that

[normal light]

Rock

[storm jungle]

excuse me the fuck

[arctic talon]

Don’t worry about it

[rose thorn]

FIRST LEVEL OF BATTLEFIELD GOTHIC

[arctic talon]

It’s terrain in BFGA

[storm jungle]

oh

BFGA

[normal light]

It won’t hurt her?

[storm jungle]

yeah nvm

[arctic talon]

If she rams into it sure

But it’s benign iirc

[rose thorn]

It has an orbet, but isnt a circle

how the fuck does ti haev an orbit

oh wait 40k

the writing is like a fuckingh comic book

[normal light]

It’s just big and massive enough

[arctic talon]

Warp bullshit

[normal light]

And is built different

Or maybe it’s a secret base of operations for Alpha Legion

Who knows?

[rose thorn]

AHAHAHA

YOU CAN JUST FORCE A MUTANY

AND EXECUTE TEH CAPTIAN

[fervent idol]

So we know space marines are sterile. My question is: do space marines have balls?

[arctic talon]

It’s peak

[arctic talon]

Yes

They still have those organs

[dire apex]

They still need boatloads of testosterone regardless of being sterile

[fervent idol]

Some of the most important organs tbf

Without test how are they going to bench

Listening to False Gods thus this question came to mind

[arctic talon]

They just have 0 sex drive

[fervent idol]

BOO

What about Chaos SM

Do they get chaos slaaneshi/khornate sex drive?

[arctic talon]

Slaaneshi maybe?

Khornate no

[rose thorn]

night lords have (some how)

and slaanesh stuff

[fervent idol]

Noise marines reach pinnacle when they fire their weapons no?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[fervent idol]

Oof

[arctic talon]

They’re obsessed with their uh

Noises

[fervent idol]

Had to censor that

[arctic talon]

And sonic weapons

[fervent idol]

Noise me Lord

[arctic talon]

They don’t have a sex drive but like

[fervent idol]

Noise me

[arctic talon]

Some slaaneshi marines prolly do

[fervent idol]

Louder

Bruh

Imagine the one space marine who maintains sex drive

Fathers a secret set of twins

Married a senator in secret

[arctic talon]

I doubt they can have kids

The zero sex drive is part of the transformation + psycho indoctrination

[fervent idol]

There’s always that one exception to the rule

Anakin’s razor

It would definitely be Dante

[arctic talon]

Dante doesn’t have a sex drive as far as we know

He just had issues with his indoctrination sticking properly

[fervent idol]

As far as we know

Tbf Dorn was originally KIA

Was

[arctic talon]

Got retconned in 3e

Yeah

[mild rapids]

Space Wolves might maintain a sex drive. It might have been reconnected but at one point Lukas the trickster had quite a few bastards

[arctic talon]

Also sent Ian Watson’s space marine book to hell

(Good)

[mild rapids]

And Bjorn even as a dreadnought flirted with a female inquisitor

[arctic talon]

He’s crusade era tbf

He’s got more of his uh

How do I put it

He’s not as much of a psychopathic murder machine

[green loom]

Is that a silver tower?

[arctic talon]

No

It’s just background detail

[dusk patrol]

Those were from before he became a marine

Plus I mean you have a bunch of 16-18 year old dudes who are the best fighters on a planet which has a huge warrior culture

It would be more unrealistic if those dudes weren’t getting laid before they became marines

[storm jungle]

Yeah that whole culture never goes away even when they become space marines either.

They literally got drinking halls where they party while serfs go around with big trays carrying mjod lol

[dusk patrol]

And this dude hasn’t even started yet

He’s just getting to the Fang

Mfer probably killed a wolf with those quads goddamn

[storm jungle]

I love Logan in the fucking background photobombing like hes bigfoot

[dusk patrol]

That’s Ulrik smh

[storm jungle]

to be fair

same thing

[dusk patrol]

Fake 40k fan smh

[storm jungle]

I CANT REMEMBER ALL THESE GUYS WITH GENERIC VIKING NAMES OK

[dusk patrol]

Ulrik has one pose

But damn can he mug that pose

[storm jungle]

meanwhile the mfer here looks like hes gonna slip off the cliff and losing his balance

[dusk patrol]

“Fuck I’m old.”

“Can’t they put some stairs to get down here.”

“Why am I even here the other Priests could do this.”

“This could have been a vox cast.”

[storm jungle]

[rocky gale]

Could never get into Space Wolves, they were a faction ruined for me by a "That guy" who was super into them.

[arctic talon]

Dang

[lime edge]

Space wolves I never quite got, are they actual like werewolves in space or vikings. Make up your mind GW!

[arctic talon]

Both

[lime edge]

I feel like when GW has to choose between themeing any SM chapter its always 'yes' to everything lol

[storm jungle]

Space Vikings with none of the viking bits

the Werewolf shit is just the Wulfen Curse where you can end up turning into a space marine werewolf

who can also sometimes get put in dreadnaughts

its extremely goofy lmao

[arctic talon]

The wulfen dread is one of a kind lol

[storm jungle]

Its hilarious

LOOK AT THE FUCKING HEAD

[arctic talon]

It got found on some random shithole of a world

[lime edge]

I feel like of the themed chapters their up there with White scars

[arctic talon]

And the space wolves captured it lol

[arctic talon]

They discontinued it lol

This one got sent to hell

[storm jungle]

White Scars are actually cool though.

[green loom]

One wonders who approved it lol

[lime edge]

Where the dark angels just barely count as knights they just want to find the falle-um dudes

[arctic talon]

Dark angels def count as knights aesthetically

[storm jungle]

^

Space Wolves are not vikings at all

[arctic talon]

Them also randomly leaving people to die also feels very knights lol

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

All im saying is

Space Wolves need to rob innocent people more

[rocky gale]

I know, my fiend was devestated when they found out. They'd wanted to make an entire army with the Wolf helmets

[arctic talon]

More colorful clothes

Get those nice rich greens and reds

[lime edge]

I like how space wolves are somehow a meme of like people wanting them to just be fanstay vikings unironically.

like people want the silly horn helmets for them I'd bet lol

[storm jungle]

Yeah they are basically a british guy's idea of vikings

[storm jungle]

Chaos has that trademarked alas 💀

[dusk patrol]

I like them sometimes they’re done much better than other times but like a lot of things and 40 K it’s a bastardized take on a general aesthetic. It’s not necessarily meant to be one to one.

[lime edge]

Its mildly funny to think the vikings were the 1st crusaders and I guess even in the lore Russ was the axe of the emperor

[dusk patrol]

Also, Vikings mostly didn’t use the horn helmets so if we’re gonna say they should be like Vikings

[storm jungle]

Expecting british people to respect history

[dusk patrol]

But yeah, it depends on the author. The William King books on them are really fun.

[storm jungle]

30k also kinda does it better

[dusk patrol]

Chris Wright also has a few books for them

[storm jungle]

like this guy has an actual viking-esque helmet

lol

[lime edge]

that actually looks good for a space viking lol

[storm jungle]

yeah its a new mini too

[dusk patrol]

OK now post the banana fur

[storm jungle]

NOOOO

[lime edge]

this. this is what I feel like space wolves get often shoved in as

[dusk patrol]

Space waves unfortunately although newer models have done this better got super shafted in the original 30 K line

[fervent idol]

30k is the new 40k

[rocky gale]

It can get better

[lime edge]

Peak wolf

Axe the space part

they are just wolves

Russ? Just a wolf

Dreadnoughts? Just a wolf in power armor

Speeder bikes? Just a wolf riding a bike

[storm jungle]

TO BE ABSOLUTELY fair

[fervent idol]

Dreadwolves

[storm jungle]

that design existed since like the 90's

lmao

[fervent idol]

Speedwolves

[dusk patrol]

I don’t think the helmet inherently is bad I just think that execution of it is terrible

[fervent idol]

Wolf Priest looks good to meeeee

[lime edge]

They had guardsmen with bomb vests and half elder frog foot chaplains

[storm jungle]

LMAO

STOP

[fervent idol]

Wagwan Taliban!!!!

[dusk patrol]

But yeah, Wolf Helms have existed for a long time they let them use their senses and still maintain a helmet

[lime edge]

I feel like saying "This was desgined in the 90s" in the context of 40k is like meaningless LOL. Not saying in this context your wrong as they have stayed the same desgin but people use that a lot for some reason like 40k was more sane back than

[storm jungle]

Yeah but you forget

people are stupid

[dusk patrol]

It’s made a few appearances

[storm jungle]

My post was also more uh "this has existed for awhile"

and hey it makes space wolves look dumb im not complaining

my enemies must suffer

[lime edge]

Being on here made me realize 40k fans in their core are a mix of a cool honset people and a bunch of random mixed reason of kinda people painful to be around

[storm jungle]

Man

wait until we get another fascist person in here

then you'll complete the circle

[lime edge]

I feel like 40k has both the issue of the hyper cringe fascist and the people so anti facist they say the word facist more than any actual fascist even when its not about that.

[storm jungle]

the first ones definitely are the most numerous

[lime edge]

Its like an endless circle of death and war

[storm jungle]

the latter ive seen around but not as much

[green loom]

And typically it's more like, confirmation bias seeing the former a ton

[storm jungle]

^

[lime edge]

ALso yes my god

[storm jungle]

the amount of people the mod team has banned for being fascists is SUPER high

[lime edge]

I met a dude in roblox in my childhood that was like "Oh yeah our people like 40k"

[green loom]

I've met them in essentially every warhammer server I've ever joined more or less

And they're always like, one of 3 types of people

[storm jungle]

The issue is most 40k servers dont bother with that like we do

[green loom]

One of the bigger ones I'm in nukes it fairly dilligently

But like, fuck

[storm jungle]

yeah the big thing is when you let these guys take root it gets worse and worse, its important to get rid of them dilligently

like most mods dont bother and just go

"dont talk about IRL politics"

[green loom]

Else you get shit like memechat here

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/duct-tape-this-is-the-end-movie-stop-gap-fix-gif-16635121

[rocky gale]

Honestly this is the only Warhammer related server I've been in where I've felt comfortable enough to actively take part in it without fear of the later

[lime edge]

Yeah don't get me wrong there is only one or two of the later in here and a great job handling the former

But there still is an issue where both shove people out and neither are really good

[green loom]

This is pretty stupid common

This is such a common talking point

And almost always a dead giveaway

[storm jungle]

We literally had a user here bait a fascist out just by asking "Do you like the Imperium" lol

[green loom]

[storm jungle]

then he went on a rant about how its "humanity's only hope"

after I posted how GW says "dont support the Imperium pls"

he goes "not reading that"

[outer wave]

"Bu--But... I want POLITICS OUT of my SCI FI WAR GAME THAT HAS POLITICS!!!"

[storm jungle]

40k is definitely political but its message is pretty simple

[lime edge]

I also find it weird where like...It's like. basically you play DKOK than boom you apart of that group is a silly point? Like I am not saying people don't play those factions for those reasons but I also don't like this ideal of like just like. YOU MUST HAVE POLTICS

[green loom]

Dude it was a ROGUE INTERN, trust me this guy called "Azrael" on twitter told me so!

[storm jungle]

Nah a lot of Krieg fans are aware of that

[lime edge]

Like holy crap if I wanted to enjoy poltics I'd go get cancer on twitter

[storm jungle]

the fascist ones and cool ones are also really easy to differ out

[green loom]

Accurate assessment

[storm jungle]

I simply hate krieg if they mention shovel memes

I'm a competitive hater

this is a joke

mostly

[lime edge]

I just feel its kinda weird where its like "Oh so you basically just play guard or whatever and than you say you dislike poltics when your just trying to play with your army" than poof your a facist

[green loom]

My dislike of Krieg stems partially from it overtaking everything actually cool in popularity while being... kinda really boring

And then redditors treating it like the holy grail of sci fi

[rocky gale]

Yea it's really easy to tell the difference between someone who likes Krieg and someone who "likes" Krieg

[storm jungle]

^

[green loom]

You can usually very quickly tell who plays a faction they like and who "plays" a faction they like

[outer wave]

Honestly this, looking into them more, they're really not much different from other 'crazed' factions like Slavar Chem Dogs or Catachan Jungle Fighters

[lime edge]

Reddit is both a place that has great power since everything ever asked is on there so its great for looking up everything....but it has every dumb take and answer to

[arctic talon]

Ngl krieg is def not the faction that gets the worst olayers

Most of the ones I’ve met are chill

It’s uh

[storm jungle]

Krieg having fascists is like

[arctic talon]

The “fans”

Of krieg

[storm jungle]

a really big mid 2000's thing

[arctic talon]

Yeah

I wasn’t around for that lol

[storm jungle]

most fascists tend to be space marine fans

like as an example most people ive banned

ALMOST

ALWAYS

HAVE A SPACE MARINE PFP

and they say the most sus shit

[arctic talon]

You want to know what faction is playing Russian roulette with their fans

[green loom]

Mostly because the average player who bought 5000 Dollars worth of Forgeworld Krieg isn't an incel in a random basement reposting the same thing and arguing online

[outer wave]

Remembah the time one of them mentioned Day of the Rope?

[green loom]

BT?

[arctic talon]

Black Templars, either they’re chill

Or uh

Yeah

[storm jungle]

Or one that talked about his roman heritage

[arctic talon]

Italian

Heritage

[storm jungle]

god

[outer wave]

Italian

[storm jungle]

to be fair tho same thing

[green loom]

Also like

[outer wave]

What a god damn Italian

[green loom]

Half the time

[outer wave]

That was a joke

[green loom]

They just name themselves after an actual character

[storm jungle]

^

Go to twitter now

[green loom]

Yeah I saw

[storm jungle]

and look up "Rylanor the Ancient of Rites"

[arctic talon]

No I refuse

[storm jungle]

or a random black templar roleplayer

lmao

[arctic talon]

To interact with 40K Twitter

[green loom]

It's so cancerous I hate it

[storm jungle]

KEK

[arctic talon]

Except for mini painters

And artists

[storm jungle]

yeah just calling people "hobby tourists"

genuinely disgusting

[green loom]

The artists and painters are almost all cool

These guys meanwhile don't read, play or collect or do anything

Instead they spend 58 hour sessions on twitter arguing about female space marines

[lime edge]

I like the artists and stuff, they have.....weird takes on stuff sometimes but their like the only people who try to be nice

[arctic talon]

Pretty much

[lime edge]

Also man I wish I could find thismeme

[green loom]

I'm the coolest artist on Twitter

[fervent idol]

Bruh ain’t go for 5 minutes and chat is b l o a t e d

[inland sigil]

I wanna not peril myself whenever I hear that word.
It pisses me off so much.

[lime edge]

its just like "you 40k fans are a contentious bunch meme"

[arctic talon]

Describe it I might have it seared into my brain

[outer wave]

I absolutely love 40k artists

[arctic talon]

Oh I know it

One moment

[green loom]

Very gaming

[lime edge]

Sinece like they always are hating something

either GW

Each other

[fervent idol]

I miss the older art style

[lime edge]

the lore

Like there is just always something

[outer wave]

Ngl my brain saw that for a moment and went "OOOUGH WOMAN!!!"

[arctic talon]

Nvm can’t find it

It’s jover

[outer wave]

Damn its gone

[green loom]

Yeah It's a comm so I don't want to leave it up

[outer wave]

Ahhh

[fervent idol]

It was yours?

[green loom]

Just very satisfied with it

[fervent idol]

[green loom]

Ye

Something of an artiste myself

[fervent idol]

Brutalist as fuq

[outer wave]

Nice

[lime edge]

My younger self always had really good times at hobby stores and stuff. Always thought 40k look cool and the handful of people I knew who were into it was nice. Than actually hopping onto here made me realize that like of all the fandom's i've seen 40k has to be the most contentious. Where others have a lot of opinions 40k fans truly live by the ideal of "only war"

[storm jungle]

basically 40k is no different from Star Wars fandom wise

• Complain about setting being the same
• Complain about changing the setting
• Setting changes
• Complain about the setting changing too much

Also just constantly hate the company then go back to eating the slop they offer up to you.

[fervent idol]

Tau lore RUINGED

[green loom]

Ok so the reason is

That the annoying morons that plague the online fandom

Are always online morons who never leave the house

[storm jungle]

^

[green loom]

Like me

[storm jungle]

also me lol

And like, the "vocal" 40k fandom is nothing compared to people that just play the game

[green loom]

So you'll never really encounter them

[fervent idol]

I liked the Dawn of War I&II era a lot

[lime edge]

I feel like the Star wars fandom is either "Well this objective crap is great" "Or this sucks for X Y and Z"

[storm jungle]

Yeah that is literalyl 40k fandom too

[lime edge]

Its less heated often

[storm jungle]

its no different trust me

[green loom]

I will break my isolation to duel you

[arctic talon]

DoW1 has old crons Therfore bad/j

[fervent idol]

Pariahs?

[arctic talon]

No

[outer wave]

No just Oldcron behavior

[arctic talon]

Just Necrons not having personality

Lol

[outer wave]

Yuh

[lime edge]

I feel like 40k has manged to do some how better than star wars

[arctic talon]

And their only goal is kill all life

[lime edge]

As just a company

And a brand

[fervent idol]

I thought they were the same still

[arctic talon]

No

[fervent idol]

How can this be

[arctic talon]

Not even close they’re much more complex as a faction now

Trazyn is newcron lore

He could never exist

[fervent idol]

So all necrons have major outward personalities?

[arctic talon]

Under old necron lore

[arctic talon]

No

Only nobles

[inland sigil]

Sw is a great universe, but it fucked itself in its own story telling because how of the 7 movies were set up and limited themselves with their own conclusions.
It doesnt leave much room for big plot archs inbetween.

[storm jungle]

Star Wars' only downside is that its a media giant.

40k would be about as much of a sellout setting if it got that big, GW does not care about Warhammer, they care about it making money through miniatures and appealing to every demographic they can, kids, adults, etc.

[green loom]

It's not massive and isn't just eaten into massive budget productions that tank

[fervent idol]

Ye

Real

[arctic talon]

That wasn’t a thing

With old Necrons

Crypteks, nobles and such didn’t have personality

[fervent idol]

Only top general dude

[storm jungle]

like I dont hate GW too much? But at the end of the day warhammer is a cashcow, not a setting.

its down to you to make your own stuff in it

[inland sigil]

Except ya mostly cant :/

[green loom]

And they give you ample gear to do so, since that's what they're selling you basically

[fervent idol]

Idm that tbf either way they’re all robot zombie fuckers to me

[lime edge]

I feel like dispite the fact 40k qualities is just as bad its less hurt as there is something to do besides the lore so it can actually live on its own where star wars can actually slowly die out

[storm jungle]

Im just doing my own subsector for a game rn

[fervent idol]

Boo kitbash aruuuuuuu

[green loom]

Is there a topsector

[storm jungle]

Star Wars will never die out

[lime edge]

Hence where like even people who hate 40k still kinda talk about it where a lot of people with star wars just stopped watching the shows and caring about it

[storm jungle]

its way too big of a giant

[lime edge]

I feel like yes and no

[inland sigil]

Please indulge me.

[storm jungle]

NEVER

[arctic talon]

40k is super open to Homebrew

The galaxy is huge

[inland sigil]

Was talking about the shortfilm drama lol

[lime edge]

It can die out as a brand not as a themeing or a setting. Its likely always going to be rembered just maybe not profitable

[inland sigil]

Now I am worried.

[fervent idol]

40k is still in the niche sector while star wars is pure main stream

[green loom]

You should be

[fervent idol]

Uwu

[storm jungle]

Also this yeah

warhammer is slowly getting public recognition

[inland sigil]

Its Dilara, I am always worried.

[storm jungle]

the more it does, the more GW will sell it out

[green loom]

Dilara will we have to kill this guy?

[fervent idol]

When anything hits mainstream it immediately becomes scab content

[inland sigil]

You cant kill me, I am John Zealot.

[lime edge]

I feel like in all of the crap handling of 40k. GW has handled 40k better than starwars has been handled as of late

[storm jungle]

Also this

[arctic talon]

Thing is GW doesn’t care about mass appeal

[storm jungle]

Yeah because like i said

[arctic talon]

They care about one thing

[storm jungle]

40k is not that famous

[arctic talon]

People who buy their plastic

[storm jungle]

^

the lore doesnt matter

[green loom]

Everything else is secondary

If 40k gets big

What'll probably happen

Is they'll dish out licenses to a bunch of people to die with

And then just keep doing minis

[inland sigil]

The only thing that'll kill me is my knife "build" whilst I charge ahead of my team and die miserable somewhere, where noone can reach me

[green loom]

Like they do with video games

[fervent idol]

Already happened with the games

[green loom]

Yeah that's what I said

[fervent idol]

Boo beat me to it

[green loom]

They don't care, the minis still sell

[lime edge]

I feel like there is a sight misunderstanding. As a company GW has handled the 40k IP, all the things hooked to it better than disney has with star wars

[green loom]

Honestly maybe not

[lime edge]

Not saying either are like doing amazing. disney has just made a star wars movie that flopped

[arctic talon]

40K has a lot of dogshit games

Ngl

[green loom]

They only got their shit kinda together in the last decade lol

[lime edge]

Have had an issue selling toys

[green loom]

Wasn't like 7th ed on the edge of dying?

[lime edge]

Also not saying star wars as bad before disney par say

[green loom]

They sell!

[fervent idol]

Worst set ever made

[green loom]

I've met a LOT of people that want them lol

[lime edge]

its just at this moment in time. GW is doing better than disney at handling their IPs

[fervent idol]

It should be illegal

[storm jungle]

Lucas was the only winner

now he sits at his ranch

opens his palm

and watches the check float in

[lime edge]

Lucas was big brain

[storm jungle]

[lime edge]

Dude just like sold it

got out

vibes

[storm jungle]

legit

[fervent idol]

Ye

[lime edge]

thats the good ending lol

do your crap sell it for stonks (Or have your next of kin sell it) live off of it forever

[rocky gale]

Lucas can now rest easy and continue lieing about how he single handily created Star Wars without any help from anyone ever

[arctic talon]

Yes

Thank you Kirby

[lime edge]

Did star trek's maker ever get a fat check and leave or did that never get really sold/owned by anybody?

[rocky gale]

Star Trek's creator rode it into the ground until he died

[fervent idol]

RIP

https://tenor.com/view/blink-patrick-stewart-wink-jean-luc-picard-star-trek-gif-15057643

[lime edge]

Actually I gotta say it. Star trek is by no means as large as star wars but it was very main stream sci-fi....

Now I hear of it like once every year or so and never again

[green loom]

Ulrik is only from 2017???

[lime edge]

I do think you can miss mange anything into the ground and it will slowly die/be forgotten

[arctic talon]

Jes Goodwin is arguably the “father” of the 40K aesthetic as we know it

And he only just left GW bcs he’s getting old

[lime edge]

40k's artist are kinda what carries it in the end

The people who desgin models and the art work I bet do actually have a passion for their craft

Its just everybody else at GW who screws them up lol

[dusk patrol]

It’s a good execution of lore, world building, and art direction for a long time

[storm jungle]

Yeah like uh

[rocky gale]

There's documentaries about it, but the creator of Star Trek started out great and laid the groundwork but he only really had one or two stories to tell and everything he wrote was a variation of those two and he basically ended up with a massive ego about it and was very controlling, to the point where everyone else was relieved when he died because it meant they could ignore his rewrites

[fervent idol]

The model creation process is awesome.

[storm jungle]

the idea of 40k orks is incredibly stupid

if you told it to a guy IRL they would laugh at you

its the artwork and presentation that makes shit like that work

its the "mojo" behind it if you will

[lime edge]

unironically its kinda weird how the creator of Star trek became the the flip of the basic themeing of star trek

[dusk patrol]

Yeah there’s a lot of stuff which just sounds dumb but it works, its also very unique

Plus it helps there’s so much stuff

[fervent idol]

Like Orks were ever meant to be taken seriously

[lime edge]

Sci-fi lives and dies on looks

[storm jungle]

Basically yeah. 40k is the perfect example of how you cna make anything work with the right presentation

[lime edge]

Halo looks great

[dusk patrol]

You can always find something typically to like

[lime edge]

Cyber punk looks great

They all have the weapons, armor gear that are nailed so well it carries them

[fervent idol]

Looked

Was

[lime edge]

Was

I actuallyed played halo 5 as my 1st game

frankly found it fun, than I played the old games

and got one of the nice lore books and got really tired of reading "Cool place lore Than gets blowed up by mad space AI"

[fervent idol]

I applaud your daring

[fervent idol]

Every bungie game pre Destiny

[lime edge]

Halo 5 the game where you had to open loot boxes to use one time cards to get OP vechiles in PVP

[fervent idol]

[lime edge]

Also admitly it's weird what games can do as long as that one is the one you've played 1st

[arctic talon]

The lootbox system was dogshit anyways lol

[rocky gale]

Like he died mid filming of one of the movies, think it was Undiscovered Country but he'd submitted a massive bunch of rewrites a couple of days before he died and everyone else was actually relieved he'd died because he'd basically ruined the entire movie with his rewrites, so they threw them out and pretended they didn't exist.

[arctic talon]

Most of those weapons were terrible

And you could just steal them lol

[lime edge]

don't get me wrong, thats what I did. But it feels weird being not able to spawn all the warthogs you want with out opening loot boxes

[arctic talon]

My favorite thing to do was camp people off of spawn with a sniper lol

[fervent idol]

“I am proud to announce I have collected all blues in Halo 5”

[arctic talon]

Tbh you could spawn infinite normal ones

Just not the weird ones

[lime edge]

The good ones lol

[arctic talon]

“Good”

[lime edge]

Well 'good'

[fervent idol]

Bruh when you only had helmet body and visor customisation

SHIT

[arctic talon]

It’s a warhog that can eat like

A few extra shots from an AR

Most of the req stuff was weak

[lime edge]

The best part of the req stuff was the base weapon upgrades

and the perks

I do wish they kept that mode and just removed the REQ stuff for the next game

[arctic talon]

Warzone was fun

[lime edge]

I really liked warzone. In hignsight its shocking it worked so well

[arctic talon]

💀

[lime edge]

LOL

The Ais...

they protect each other

[rocky gale]

Discord gave you a chance to not send that message...

[lime edge]

Also man its mildly funny to think about if you just replaced her with chat GPT a lot of people likely wouldn't realize the diffrence

[fervent idol]

Arrest that man!

https://tenor.com/view/halo4-master-chief-no-sir-captain-del-rio-unsc-infinity-gif-18626232

[lime edge]

Her actions and reasoning is basically something it would come up with

People are fighting a war? Remove people

[fervent idol]

Fuck

[lime edge]

No war

[fervent idol]

Halo is a weapon? Remove Halo

[lime edge]

Spoon is a weapon?

remove all spoons

[fervent idol]

Become Spoon

[lime edge]

My goodness, what large sci-fi is doing well lol

[arctic talon]

Multimedia franchise?

None lol

[lime edge]

40k is 40k. star wars is not doing so hot, Halo kinda shot its foot off. Gears I think nobody liked

[rocky gale]

Star Wars is doing better tbh

[lime edge]

Its doing sightly better. Its just had a few good shows and a few really bad ones. When they really need to just have everything be passable at worse

Its not like they don't have the time and money that they just can't aford to make it good...their spending too much for too little gain

[fervent idol]

I think people Mando & Ahsoka were good

Boba fat was passable

[rocky gale]

Andor is probably the best Star Wars we've ever had

[lime edge]

Andor was great

Old clone wars was good

As a person who suffered through rebels Ahsoka is made worse by watching that and most of the praise I've seen for it is just people wanting to like star wars

[fervent idol]

Ngl I thought Obi Wan did the story justice

[lime edge]

Boba fet was a good season 2.5 of the mando

That show didn't need to exist by it self...I like boba fet

But like it ended up being just season 2.5 and couldn't stand on its own merits

[arctic talon]

Andor isn’t trying to be Star Wars is why

It’s a noir spy film

[fervent idol]

Real

[rocky gale]

Yep, it's just good in it's own right

[lime edge]

The clone wars was actually always really good

[arctic talon]

Andor would be good even if it was an independent sci fi production ngl

The effort put in to tiny world building is insane e

Also it has my favorite Star Wars thing ever

A pipe bomb

[fervent idol]

The devil is always in the details

The shows with less are objectively worse

[lime edge]

"Master yoda the emperor has appeared!" 'use a pipe bomb we must.'

[arctic talon]

I like seeing the rougher side of the rebellion as well

How it formed

[lime edge]

just chunks it thru the window

[fervent idol]

Mmmmmhmmmm!

[arctic talon]

The absolute clusterfuck that is actual rebellions

And how all the groups refuse to work with each other

[fervent idol]

Resistance is just shit rebellion change my mind

[lime edge]

Andor also is good since rouge one is the really only good new star wars movie

[arctic talon]

Saw’s whole rant on how

[lime edge]

"Mom can we have 4 5 6 at home?" 'we already have them at home.'

[arctic talon]

Everyone is blind except for him

Is peak

[lime edge]

them at home

I also don't get the Resistance

Why...why can't the new republic remotely understand that they need a standing army?

Or like, spies

[arctic talon]

It’s bcs the new republic were pacifists

[lime edge]

or like anything

[arctic talon]

Also they had an army

They just ignored the first order

Or whatever

Idk I didn’t pay attention

[lime edge]

Its weird when a random underground army has to protect you when you have the taxes of like 1000s of worlds

[green loom]

Most of their standing army also gets wiped out in ep 7

[arctic talon]

Lol

True

[green loom]

It's one of the few things legends did better tbh

[lime edge]

The 1st Order has the the same issue of the Resistance

its just the same thing over again

[green loom]

With the war not stopping with Endor

[rocky gale]

Andor does a great job of representing the Empire and making them actually scary in the way an authoritarian state is, not just the over the top evil military aspect but the ruthless and effective bureaucracy of the state apparatus.

[lime edge]

I like how the 1st order the broken remains of the empire can build a death star 2-4 times bigger than the OG ones just fine

Man the rebels should have just built their own death star if they were that easy to make

[arctic talon]

Andor makes them horrifying

Tbh

The empire feels like an actual facist regime

Putting its boots on everyone’s neck

And stomping out any sort of resistance

[fervent idol]

Furst Orda

[arctic talon]

Also the blaster fights look like irl firefights

[lime edge]

thats what I love about it

[arctic talon]

There’s a ton of shots fired

Barely any hit

[fervent idol]

Bruh First Order is maximum fascism

Empire is just London

[arctic talon]

The empire doesn’t feel that facist in Star Wars movies overall

[rocky gale]

I miss the Warlords era, it was a great representative of "great you've defeated the Empire, now to defeat the 100 factions which have splintered from it's remnant and still control most of the Galaxy"

[arctic talon]

You don’t see their totalitarian regime

The boot stomping on everyone’s neck

[lime edge]

Legends did many of the main points better

[fervent idol]

First missive of the First Order? Blow up fuckin 5+ inhabited worlds & galactic seat of government

[arctic talon]

Idk I just like andor a lot

For the atmosphere I guess

[fervent idol]

First missive of the empire? Kill some monks

[arctic talon]

It feels genuinely hopeless in the prison lol

That shit is wild

[fervent idol]

Got to watch it soon

[lime edge]

Yes. a reminder that a bunch of broken empire leaders built that, the largest ship ever and a fleet, kid napped 100000s of child soliders, upgraded tie fighters.

[arctic talon]

It’s actually one of the most horrifying sci fi prisons I’ve ever seen lol

Without like

Being comically over the top

[dusk patrol]

I prefer my prisons hopeful tbh

[fervent idol]

The Spartan II program

[arctic talon]

Everyone being barefoot and all the floors being electrifiable is insane

[lime edge]

That was like...1000 kids???

[dusk patrol]

Less

[lime edge]

that be like replacing the UMSC with kids

[fervent idol]

It can’t be worse than real prison

[lime edge]

is the amount they had

[arctic talon]

It’s

[dusk patrol]

I don’t think it was more than like 200

[arctic talon]

Arguably just as awful as irl prisons

If not worse

[fervent idol]

Sounds good to meeeee

[lime edge]

the new repubic just went "Ok den son have fun"

[fervent idol]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-covenant-gif-20774897

[arctic talon]

Also the whole ||executing 50 people so no one|| finds out they’re ||recycling prisoners||

And how once your sentence is served ||you go straight to another floor||

[lime edge]

While its silly to say, I like how Andor makes the empire have some like...They need people to build things, they need to control areas for taxes and for space to upkeep their forces

[arctic talon]

Also the fact you get as much food as you want so they can keep working you

And how they make prisoners compete with each other lol

The prison in andor is super well designed

[lime edge]

Is andor getting a season two?

[rocky gale]

Yep

[arctic talon]

Yes

[lime edge]

When?

[arctic talon]

2024/2025

[lime edge]

shesh it should be worth the wait tho

[arctic talon]

Not getting season 3 bcs they don’t want cassian to look older then he does in rogue one lol

[lime edge]

actually no shesh. Thats a normal amount of time for a good show

[fervent idol]

Cloooooniiinnnngggggg

[lime edge]

Man they should do a like...adult rebels?

Where its seasons following the early days of a cell

[arctic talon]

Saw Gerrera committing terrorism

Is peak rebellion

[fervent idol]

A Sheev show would be good

[arctic talon]

Also the whole thing with how

[fervent idol]

Life of Sheev

[arctic talon]

The early rebellion wanted to push the empire to be even more brutal

[fervent idol]

Life of Saw

[arctic talon]

So that they could drive up resentment

Is really smart

[storm jungle]

Andor has been the best thing to happen to Star Wars in the last decade.

[lime edge]

Saw not trying kill civvies

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[fervent idol]

And/or?

[arctic talon]

I don’t think he cares lol

It’s acceptable collateral

[storm jungle]

To be fair

hes literally named after Chev

[arctic talon]

Mhm

Also him ranting about how some rebels are separatists

Is fucking hilarious

He doesn’t care about the bigger picture

He just hates the empire

[lime edge]

I'd actually like to see a separatists from the clone wars rebel cell

Like using B1s as car bombs

Full on IRA it

[arctic talon]

Tbh

[lime edge]

use land speeders while their at it

[arctic talon]

We saw literal pipe bombs and improvised explosives in andor

[storm jungle]

Saw Guerra is my favorite SW character

[arctic talon]

There was a literal car bomb

[storm jungle]

Up there with Tidewall Gunrig

[arctic talon]

Lol

[storm jungle]

oh wait wrong universe

[arctic talon]

Peak

[storm jungle]

ITS SUCH A STAR WARS NAME THOUGH

[arctic talon]

Andor had a literal car bomb in the first 3 episodes

Or I guess speeder bomb

[storm jungle]

rebels being terrorists is good

i love it

[arctic talon]

And it had a pipe bomb as well

[lime edge]

"Its a trap!" says the massive floating gun in the command seat of a star ship

[arctic talon]

Real

It has to be a dirty rebellion before it turns into an actual organized force

[dusk patrol]

I did enjoy how in Rogue One they had the rebels use the same tactics the clones taught Saw in the Clone Wars TV show

[arctic talon]

It makes sense that they’re so brutal

[arctic talon]

It’s cool

[crisp heath]

I've never seen a star wars movie and I'm putting it off until I get the chance to write a fanfic that pieces the entire series together from bits of knowledge I've absorbed by proxy

[rocky gale]

I really just need some Star Wars content that's like the Warlord Era, it was amazing. It drew so much inspiration from both the Russian Civil war and Warlord Era China. Periods of history with such insane leaders it'd make a 40k Commissar seem sane.

[lime edge]

Warlord era china and Russian civil war peak "Wth is going on. Follow dude with dudes with guns"

[arctic talon]

Think more tubular

[dusk patrol]

Now you’re thinking with beys

[rocky gale]

Where else could you get Roman von Ungern-Sternberg, who strangled an Owl as a child, convinced his family he was psychic and then convinced himself he was Genghis Khan reborn

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/beyblade-moses-anime-gif-15728025

[arctic talon]

Not the right pipe bomb

Whoops

[arctic talon]

Where’s the one with the gengis khan

[lime edge]

Are you allow to share meme videos in here if its on topic, this talking of pipe bombs made me remember an old video about yoda

[arctic talon]

I found it

[lime edge]

https://youtu.be/tZNU3eJayrs this is just the rebellion at this point (feel free to delet this if its not allowed in this channel)

[arctic talon]

Lol

[lime edge]

Seeing as yoda was alive after order 66...who knows what he got up to

its a longgg way to that planet you know

[storm jungle]

When 40k literally has IRA as a faction I think its fine

[lime edge]

So many honda civics between here and there

[arctic talon]

I want the gsc to use pipe bombs

[arctic talon]

Lol

[lime edge]

Ah yes three arms, the more to throw pipe bombs with!

[storm jungle]

[lime edge]

Don't the ghosts basically use offical pipe bombs? The tube charges of whatever their called

[arctic talon]

Yeah pretty much lol

Factory made

Though it’s not a pipe bomb by definition

Since pipe bombs are IEDs

[lime edge]

Actually. Major spoilers for like book 8 I think ||Since him and some of the ghosts were rebels on a choas world and it was noted they made bombs so basically they made pipe bombs||

[arctic talon]

Lol

[lime edge]

I can't wait for somebody to make a Guant IRA meme

The Ghosts are basically the Irish too

which makes it even funnier

[arctic talon]

I think it’s hilarious how there’s only 2 ways you can come out of the Schola progenium

Relatively well adjusted somewhat sane

Or complete psychopath who loves killing things

[lime edge]

Gaunt is like one of the few actually good people in 40k

[fervent idol]

Got trapped in destiny discussion

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny2-rhulk-kick-gif-25067019

[fervent idol]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-space-marines-astartes-warhammer-gif-18849638

[fervent idol]

Rhulk is an Ogryn name

[arctic talon]

Rhulk is an absolute psychopath lol

[fervent idol]

Crump

[lime edge]

I forget destiny has lore

[arctic talon]

Who doesn’t feel bad about commiting genocide to his entire species

And several others lol

[fervent idol]

The lore is the eververse store

[arctic talon]

Lol

[fervent idol]

https://tenor.com/view/zavala-destiny-2-raid-tripppy-gif-5129938731480543890

[lime edge]

I like how the game is like "I swear is a story"

Cade-6 is like the only story in that game

[arctic talon]

Destiny lore is pretty good

Tbh

[fervent idol]

Tbf yeah

It was great in d1 to share with friends

[arctic talon]

Shame the actual story mode of the games

Tends to be fine to dogshit lol

[lime edge]

D1 I adored playing

[arctic talon]

Destiny 2 feels more fun to play then 1 for me ngl

[lime edge]

D2 I didn't care for much

[fervent idol]

The struggle to share a game you were all cringing to get your moneys worth for

[arctic talon]

I far prefer the raids in 2 vs 1

[fervent idol]

I miss d1 raids

Wrath should come soon I hope

[lime edge]

pvp was better in 1

[fervent idol]

Never had the time for 2

[arctic talon]

It gets harder hopefully

In 2

Wrath is pretty easy by modern raid standards

[arctic talon]

Real

[fervent idol]

True

[rocky gale]

Never played any of the Raids in Destiny because I lack friends

[fervent idol]

I hope one day also to have sex with Ikora and Ana Bray

[arctic talon]

Also they turned Crota’s end into an actual raid

That’s hard

[fervent idol]

LFG

[lime edge]

I always like Destiny's like, You have a story, A pve raid more, cool quests and raids. Than a cool PVP mode that you can show off your gear and skill in

Destiny 2** I feel like removed all of that but the raids

[arctic talon]

Also dungeons are a great addition in 2

[fervent idol]

What do you mean by removed all of that

[arctic talon]

Smaller scale hard content

[fervent idol]

https://tenor.com/view/me-on-my-way-to-gif-25522390

[lime edge]

The PVP is rather horried, the story is all over the place

[fervent idol]

Bring me back to Titan moon

[lime edge]

the quests are often just for good items

[arctic talon]

Tbh destiny 1’s story was lowkey ass

[lime edge]

they removed half the planets

[arctic talon]

Excluding like taken king

Everything else can go burn in a hole imo

[fervent idol]

Me when I meet the dude who approved sunsetting content

[arctic talon]

Rise of iron was fine ig

Actually

[fervent idol]

https://tenor.com/view/me-on-my-way-to-gif-25522390

[lime edge]

"Huh yeahh ummm, game be to big???"

"issue."

"remove game = fix."

[arctic talon]

But I think I’d rather not play through base d1

[fervent idol]

“NAWWWWWWHHH”

[arctic talon]

In fact I’d rather

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/763964440378605568/1188344276145418260/IMG_3457.gif?ex=659a2ed9&is=6587b9d9&hm=6563c1f97ae5a6e1138c89d7e03294aa883bca883c9191514db5adfd66f3d6b1&

Also dark below

[fervent idol]

D1 has aged a lot but is still good as a legacy fame

[arctic talon]

Was miserable

[fervent idol]

Dark below was my favourite of the first 2 dlcs and base game

Because it was so shit

[arctic talon]

Lol

It was so bad

[fervent idol]

You had to really claw at the content

[arctic talon]

It almost single handidly killed the game

It pulled a curse of Osiris

[fervent idol]

Bc of that Crota is my favourite raid

[arctic talon]

Also crota’s end in d1 just being piss poor as a raid

And easy as shit

[fervent idol]

Nawwwww

On launch

Fwah

What a time to be alive

[lime edge]

I recall being called baby crota once in that game

Fun times

[arctic talon]

Lol

[fervent idol]

Baby Crota

[arctic talon]

Crotas end in d2 really busts your balls

Tbh

On dps windows

[lime edge]

Pvp in that game was fun, I was rather young when it came out and my dad (on his account) let me play with a bunch of people who were actually in there 60s and 70s since they were nice and I carried them every game

[arctic talon]

Probably my favorite reprisal of any raid from 1

VoG cannot be saved

It’s just boring

It didn’t change enough

Kingsfall was nice

Crota’s end was genuinely hard

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/mike-breaking-south-park-balls-gif-18607817

[lime edge]

you know, I kinda feel like the cabale (How ever the hell its spelled) be a good 40k faction

[dusk patrol]

Me with Crota

[arctic talon]

Lol

[arctic talon]

Cabal are literally just the imperium but marginally less evil lol

[lime edge]

Don't insult the cabal in D1 they at least had honor and some tactical sense

[arctic talon]

Cabal “honor”

[lime edge]

I mean

[arctic talon]

Give us the primus or we blow the ship

Lol

[lime edge]

They at least fight to the last man in wars

[arctic talon]

Which is dumb as hell lol

[lime edge]

and are fine crashing their ship into an massive ship

Don't get me wrong, not smart

[arctic talon]

They’re absolutely batshit insane

[lime edge]

but at least they like hold into their insanity

They have standards. Insane standards but standards

[arctic talon]

Tbh they’re literally the only major faction in destiny that has never interacted with the light or dark for 99.99% of their existence

They just shoot things till they die

[lime edge]

They just like shooting people

simple

[arctic talon]

Lol

They like conquering territory

More like it

[lime edge]

The imperium has not gotten that far yet

[arctic talon]

The fact they were winning their war of attrition against the vex before they got reinforcements

Is hilarious

[lime edge]

HOW

[arctic talon]

They were hijacking vex tech lol

[lime edge]

The endless machine horde vs some like...pig like???

[dusk patrol]

Arguably the Imperium won’t blow up planets for getting in their way

[lime edge]

dudes

[arctic talon]

And also were just generally fighting smart

[dusk patrol]

They’ll kill everyone on it but yeah

[arctic talon]

By letting the vex get pissed off by them breaking into stuff

[dusk patrol]

Cabal are good at adapting

[arctic talon]

And then killing the vex who responded

[dusk patrol]

Also good at making tech to counter crazy shit

[arctic talon]

Rinse and repeat

Yeah

[dusk patrol]

Like snuffing out the traveler

[lime edge]

I always like Cabal's look, big ol' warrior race of dudes with flame themed gear

[arctic talon]

Funny as shit how they figured out how to turn off pyramid ship tech

In witch queen

With thingyies

[dusk patrol]

Man have I got a universe for you then

[arctic talon]

Lol

[green loom]

[arctic talon]

If I had a nickel for every Matt ward who liked blue space Roman’s

I’d have 2 nickles

Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird it’s happened twice