40k-lore-chat

[crisp heath]

erebus was a good guy!

the book of lorgar is the truth!

[livid bloom]

Top bloke

[verbal path]

But taking their actions onto a 21st century view, they're still vile.

[livid bloom]

If you don't main ogryn you ain't based

[verbal path]

You also act like they only fought Xenos

[livid bloom]

Ogryn the only answer

[crisp heath]

Not really... yall be saying that while every military in the world has employed the same if not worse tactics

[lime edge]

Also is the empire/old world less evil than the 40k lot?

[verbal path]

Kinda, ya

[fervent idol]

I think so

[green loom]

Kinda, like they're old timey Europe

[verbal path]

Empire can get along with other people

[lime edge]

I feel like there is more goodish people in those settings or if nothing else the sillyness is dial down

[fervent idol]

Oh the Empire definitely has its sillyness but not on the scale of 40k

[livid bloom]

Based Tau 🤓

[lime edge]

AOS is um, speical I think everybody in there is good

[verbal path]

Ya, Fantasy has the grimdark turned way down

[green loom]

Not really good tbh

[verbal path]

Other species can actually stand one another

[lime edge]

Fantasy is actually just like more real version of what people play dnd as. There is actual poor peasant folk that don't hand you 100 gold coins to kill a rat or something

[fervent idol]

I hope we get a Great Crusade game

[lime edge]

Also I am aware that there is chaos and the ghouls and stuff. Its just kinda gernic fansty

[verbal path]

There's the ||mobile|| game

[verbal path]

[green loom]

They still disappear people, there's some more dystopian elements, and Order fights itself a lot

But they mean a lot better than anyone in 40k lol

[forest orbit]

AoS is literally awful lmao

[fervent idol]

next thing you're going to tell me space marine 2 has been delayed to Fall 2024

[dusk patrol]

Average DnD group

I recieve, everything you have in your house, your chickens, your cow, and youre firstborn child.

You recieve, me not killing you, sike I actually am gonna.

[verbal path]

Implying players stoop to diplomacy

[lime edge]

I do love how GW is just going "You people won't shut up about not liking AOS. Here you go!"

[crisp heath]

I think we also forget the Imperium in 40k is a cornered, dying animal lashing out at everything around it. It does rarely work with xenos and things like the Votaan. But it's really only out of survival, which is also why they do such heinous things. It's the same thing as using burnt earth policies to weaken an invading force so there's no resources for them to recoup.

[green loom]

Wait do you not know?

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/stone-cold-steve-austin-punching-eric-bischoff-wwe-no-way-out-gif-13189078

Pictured:

[crisp heath]

also work with orks on occasion + grey knights helped eldar that one time

[dusk patrol]

My Rogue Trader group engaging in a fellowship test with a local

[forest orbit]

so literally never

[crisp heath]

despite being written to kill xenos, theyve become so desperate to the point they are willing to work with them just to survive

[lime edge]

I like how there is two dnd parties now. "We gotta kill them they seem inportant" or finds a rock Does some random critial role level RP for 4 hours and never gets anything done

[forest orbit]

I mean not really no

they are still the same as before

[verbal path]

Tbh, that's my rogue trader getting punched the second she touches the ground on a new planet

[crisp heath]

Yes. Exactly. But it's almost always a case of absolute necessity or "holy shit the eldar just showed up and they aren't killing us!" Type shit

they do still kill them but theres definitely examples of "cooperation" between say imperium and orks

[verbal path]

Oops another ambush

[crisp heath]

(even though orks basically always backstab them after)

[forest orbit]

theres no cooperation with orks

[crisp heath]

love me freebootaz

[fervent idol]

pokemon gameboy energy

[forest orbit]

thats also like... rare mercenary work of stupid nobles

the Imperium at large doesnt do this

because who the fuck would trust orks

[lime edge]

Not even orks trust orks

[verbal path]

Someone with a bigger problem.

[fervent idol]

wasn't that the entire plot of Dawn of War II?

[crisp heath]

@forest orbit actually you're wrong. Commisar Yarrick was highly regarded by the orks

[forest orbit]

Not really

also Dawn of War is a game

[crisp heath]

ol' bale eye

[forest orbit]

its not exactly uh, compliant for the most part

[verbal path]

Only in the Ork campaign in Retribution.

[forest orbit]

"highly regarded" is not working together

which doesnt have anything to do with what i said

[crisp heath]

imperium also tricked orks into thinking angron smashed yarrick instead of ghaz

[forest orbit]

Thats not real

[crisp heath]

not really cooperation per se

But they did. Let me find a source

[forest orbit]

thats meme lore lol

[verbal path]

Highly regarded by Orks means they want to fight him more.

[storm jungle]

Thats grimdank bullshit lmao

[fervent idol]

Y'all have forgotten the Eldar using the Orks to fight the Nids

[green loom]

Just retribution's ork campaign

[dusk patrol]

Also

[forest orbit]

Yeah which itself is also stupid

[dusk patrol]

Ghaz didn't even kill him

As far as we're aware

[green loom]

Octarius was kept in line by the Deathwatch and ordo xenos iirc

[crisp heath]

😭

[dusk patrol]

We don't know for sure if he's even dead

[forest orbit]

We literally got no idea who killed Yarrick

and hes prob not even dead

lol

[dusk patrol]

Not believing it til I read the book

[forest orbit]

^

His entire death report says nothing

and is just propaganda

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-luke-skywalker-no-ones-ever-really-gone-mark-hamill-the-last-jedi-gif-26010275

[forest orbit]

STOP IT

[crisp heath]

@forest orbit It's the Plot of The Enemy of My Enemy

For a decade, the Astra Militarum have been stuck in grinding trench warfare against the alien orks. General Pyrrhus, commander of the Golden Eighth hates the world of Cavernum Tertius on which he is trapped. He hates the unmoving nature of the war. But most of all, he hates his opposing number, the ork warboss who has dubbed himself "General Taktikus". But that all changes when the tyranids arrive. With a common foe to fight, can Pyrrhus and Taktikus do the unthinkable and unite in an alliance that could save them both?

Humans and Ork fighting together.

The situation had teetered on the very brink of collapse – and then the xenos had swept in. They had come out of nowhere: an armada of ramshackle vehicles driven at maniac speed, carving straight through the western pincer of the enemy advance like spilled plasma. With the tyranids reeling, the Third Karakum Airborne had been able to launch a mass drop operation, securing the ground taken by the xenos, and relieving the siege.

Such strange synergies had boiled up over several fronts. In the mudfields at Dunrust, the tyranids had been stopped in their tracks by the mad, clanking war machines of the xenos, pinned down by hydraulic claws while human sharpshooters finished them off. At Thar’s Bluff, the enemy’s grotesque living artillery had been swarmed by xenos slave creatures, erupting from tunnels as a line of Imperial armour had advanced as a distraction. Time and time again, human precision and xenos ferocity were being boiled up into a brew stronger than it had any right to be.

[verbal path]

That's standard Eldar affair. Ork campaign had the Inquisitor try to hire the orks to kill Kyras

[crisp heath]

As the two forces had realised this, their long-term enmity had begun to express itself as brash competition. Where humans held trenches next to the xenos, kill tallies were kept on tall wooden boards, while in Ferghal’s Wood, where the aliens’ exotic artillery had been pooled with Imperial batteries, the bombardiers were engaged in constant one-upmanship over the reload speed, the accuracy, and even the volume of their guns. As far as Nestor was concerned, this was to be encouraged, as it gave his troops something to do other than imagine death beneath a swarm of writhing nightmares.

...

Glancing at the staff sergeant, with her face riven by shrapnel from a xenos grenade and her prosthetic arm gleaming, he saw someone with every reason to put a blade in the creature across from her. And yet, despite all the cursing, she was wearing the same fierce, weights-room grin as she might in human company. That was the astonishing thing about infantry, he mused, as the pair of bruisers set into another exchange of insults. No matter what world – or species – they came from, if you gave them a shared enemy and a way to cheat each other out of smokes, soon enough they’d end up willing to die for each other.

Edit: u/ cross_ange posted excerpts about it a while ago too apparently.

[verbal path]

And the deal fell apart since she didn't want to give up her hat.

[forest orbit]

yeah I know i read the book

[fervent idol]

Got me a new humie 'at.

[forest orbit]

this is a rare example

this isnt something that happens often at all

[crisp heath]

@forest orbit so then why are you saying it didn't happen?

[forest orbit]

Im talking about Armageddon ffs

[crisp heath]

Nobody said it was often

[dusk patrol]

insert dogshit Valrak video about why this very dead primarch is definitely gonna come back

[verbal path]

Doesn't it also end with them backstabbing one another

[forest orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/oakdice-runescape-gif-18004007

[crisp heath]

@forest orbit no you literally said it never happened

[lime edge]

I swear to god unreliable narrator yarrick I will lose my mind. just understanding we happy few's story made me hate that beyond any meaning

[forest orbit]

ugh

[green loom]

Ghost can you like

Not bait

[crisp heath]

Go groan all you want. Sorry you were a dick and proven wrong

[forest orbit]

...

I literally not even insulted you

[lime edge]

All I can say is be nice

[forest orbit]

where is this coming from

[fervent idol]

Cadia

[verbal path]

Orks and the Steel Legion worked together in the method of Turn the guns to the daemons first

[green loom]

He does this

[forest orbit]

Nevermind i guess 💀

[verbal path]

Since Armageddon is now half a daemon world.

[forest orbit]

anyway I look forward to the new Yarrick mini :)

[verbal path]

Same.

[forest orbit]

yeah hes deffo getting a revamp

because like, you cant kill him lol

[lime edge]

I hope one day GW actually makes a ghost standard trooper box

[verbal path]

They did a rerun of his old mini a month after announcing he died

[forest orbit]

how else will you milk that $$$

[lime edge]

I can die happy. I don't trust my self with green stuff to make capes

[verbal path]

And then did the Warhammer community post saying it's an unreliable narrator etc

[green loom]

There's this uhhh

Masking tape stuff I think

Or something like that

One sec

[lime edge]

I swear I am handing my self over to the comsiar for this

[verbal path]

Like damn, GW, gonna stop winking into the camera after saying he died

[fervent idol]

I hope we get a dedicated Garviel Loken model release

[green loom]

Doesn't he have a model

[fervent idol]

and perhaps some of the other LW models

he does but with the Abaddon duo bundle

[forest orbit]

Man

thanks for reminding me that exists

[fervent idol]

it's the old forge world one

[forest orbit]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLD

[lime edge]

When you get a game/book to play with the unreliable narrator way way way way to hard its harden my mind just to hate it every where now

[green loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04qmyJ810d0&t=288s&ab_channel=ThePaintingPhase

Use what this dude uses

[forest orbit]

Lmao the fucking kitbashes

bro we are desperate 💀

[fervent idol]

Taliban on far right

[forest orbit]

Not every middle-eastern person is a terrorist

[lime edge]

I swear GW just needs to make more guard kits

[storm jungle]

White Guy Moment

[lime edge]

also good god the blood pact as seen better days

[green loom]

The tape he uses for the Tanith seems simple enough

Hope it halps

[lime edge]

Dude has just a skull for a face now

[green loom]

Kinda want to do it

[lime edge]

Also thank you!

I want to make a guant + friends kill team sometime so might work for that

[fervent idol]

Real

[green loom]

Oh they've got models already

Unless you mean extra custom ones for other chars

[lime edge]

extra custom ones

I gotta make local flamer thrower chain smoker enjoyer 😎

[fervent idol]

I want to bankrupt my family & mortgage our house so I can build a realistic planetary imperator class titan battle in the garden. Tips?

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-cod-call-of-duty-call-of-du-call-of-duty-modern-warfare-ii-simon-ghost-riley-gif-27104686

[lime edge]

Step 1 hire some random you tube painter to do it, profit.

[fervent idol]

I wouldn't have thought of that

[lime edge]

If there is one thing random youtube channels love more than anything else is cool but pointless large modeling projects

That and having to feel like they have to have takes on random things

[fervent idol]

It would be nice if there was a massive super diorama set that people can come & contribute to

maybe something a bit different to the plastic models since they're relatively easy to damage or steal

[lime edge]

I feel like unironcailly only GW could be trusted with that, that or some actual art place

[fervent idol]

bronze cast space marines would be it

life size

it wouldnt be possible to contribute to like with models but it would be spectacular

[lime edge]

indeed'

[verbal path]

Holy shit

https://vxtwitter.com/JoyToyWarhammer/status/1738377226930770022

[storm jungle]

bruh 💀

[lime edge]

Also I did just realize while 40k has more active writters than George RR martin likely the lazist/least used 40k writter has written more stories than he has in the last 13 years

Its also mildly amazing with so many diffrent people doing 40k stuff at the same time is coherent as it is...which is not to coherent but inpressive for the scale

[storm jungle]

The thing is Game of Thrones is a setting with actual stakes, smart characters, genuine consequences, and is not kept at a perpetual state to sell miniatures.

[lime edge]

Smart characters............

Some

[storm jungle]

I mean yes

Robb meanwhile uhhhh

💀

[crisp heath]

Yea... it's a bit more difficult when narrative matters

[storm jungle]

^

like George is also genuinely stuck lmao

he writes way too many characters that are completely human with their own plots/wants.

This is a good thing until it isn't

[crisp heath]

Lol my guy really trying to be a god

And well... he's not

[storm jungle]

I feel bad for him honestly

but hey money lol

[lime edge]

George frankly I always thought was a bit over rated...

[storm jungle]

Nah hes a great writer.

[lime edge]

Like not denying he wrote good books

I just feel his work eithic is just dead now

[storm jungle]

People definitely hype him up a lot but the guy himself is very humble

its more that the setting is ironically too rich

[lime edge]

I feel like than thats an issue with the writter? If its too good thats its an issue...its still an issue?

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much

[lime edge]

Like just make more books

[storm jungle]

I mean hes trying

[lime edge]

Or change how the lay out of the last book

13 years now and he is still not done lol

[storm jungle]

Its mostly him distracting himself with side projects ontop of that

[lime edge]

Dude should just retire lol

[storm jungle]

hes very unfocused

[lime edge]

While I am unsure how true the statement is, I thought some people said he'd retcon the ending due to the last seasons of the show burning

hence the long time of him writting since he had to rewrite stuff

[green loom]

The show diverged at like, season 5 already

[rocky gale]

That was just random speculation from people who haven't actually read the books

[fervent idol]

What 'av I mis'd

[green loom]

Martin suffers from people overplaying the wrong things allot

[fervent idol]

Zog

[rocky gale]

By like season 5 the show was barely anything to do with the books

[green loom]

"oh da book is so brutal!!!"

Brutal deaths mostly random chars mentioned on that same page

[storm jungle]

He said himself that hes not gonna do that

[fervent idol]

He took a lot of his plot from the War of the Roses

[storm jungle]

He said so himself, thats not exactly a huge reveal

[lime edge]

TV show not failing to ruin a beloved book.......coughs rings of power and wheel of time cough

cough and dune cough

cough and mortal engines

[fervent idol]

True but when you get down to look at the history and then look back it definitely puts his writing skill in a different light - I think

[crisp heath]

Lol I don't want him to retire, and I kinda of appreciate his pace because when he does come out with a book. It's amazing. The issue is, he literally takes a gods perspective of things. His detailing is among the best, and his characters feel like they have real history and breadth. So when all of those intricacies are added in, it takes a while to weave everything together in a way that makes narrative sense. 40k doesn't do that. Each story is written from the perspective of the characters and the narrators not omniscient. So they don't have to make near as much sense, have plot holes and whole narrative lapses. And it all works. That's not the case with Martin, and never will be, to his benefit and detriment. Dudes just go a whole world full of people to work out and peice together, and that takes time

[green loom]

At this point he'll drop dead before he retires

[storm jungle]

Hes still a pretty good worldbuilder imo, literally every writer steals inspiration from somewhere.

[rocky gale]

Yea, War of the Five Kings is based off the War of the Roses and the Dance of the Dragon is based off the Anarchy

[lime edge]

at this point he'll die before he'll finish his book

[storm jungle]

Yeeee

its done pretty well

the realism within the fantasy is also great

[green loom]

Don't tell them about 40k Sharpe and blackadder

[storm jungle]

Like how a Targaryen kid is mounting a dragon to go help crush a rebellion but he hasnt properly bonded with his dragon yet so the thing just throws him off and he dies

Undramatic deaths are my fav trope

[crisp heath]

Literally every story teller ever has taken bits and pieces of inspiration from other stories. It's just how we are as social creatures.

[green loom]

Also hell yeah I ||Fed Yrilet to Slaanesh||

[lime edge]

I feel like as time moves on there is keystone stories or events new stories tend to draw form. Lord of the rings took stuff from older works but added new stuff and is the corner stone of modren fansaty

[storm jungle]

Well yeah but theres a difference

Tolkein is a literal gigachad tier professor

meanwhile you got 40k, a setting as wide as an ocean yet as deep as a puddle

[lime edge]

I like how Tolkien is just to good at writting every time he comes up he just does not count lol

[storm jungle]

Yeah the guy is just WAY too OP

[fervent idol]

I think he took too much from War of the Roses although the show that was faithful to the books did do a good job

[green loom]

Tolkien more or less just collected a ton of tropes into a mega setting too right?

[lime edge]

40k is just rule of cool

[storm jungle]

Pretty much but it was actual inspiration more than actual stealing

[lime edge]

Tropes maybe?? Not ideals as much

[storm jungle]

he took them and applied his own twists

[green loom]

Ye

[storm jungle]

which is the sign of a good writer

[lime edge]

Like tropes tropes as in story beats

[storm jungle]

compared to 40k

[lime edge]

Not like 40k

[storm jungle]

"What if mongols but bikes"

[crisp heath]

@lime edge yes. Lord of the rings literally invented orcs I think. No one is denying that there's also innovation. But to say that a writer lacks "something" because they drew upon other works in my opinion is false

[lime edge]

LOL

[rocky gale]

Imagine writing a trilogy about the adventures of Frodo Baggins and then putting in the notes at the end that his real name was Maura Labingi the whole time.

[storm jungle]

Top tier writing I know 💀

[green loom]

What if

[lime edge]

40k is that weird teenage thing of

[green loom]

What if romans

[fervent idol]

"What if WotR but dragons"

[green loom]

But space

[fervent idol]

[lime edge]

"What if knights had big guns"

[fervent idol]

What if

[lime edge]

And I think that deserves to exist lol

[green loom]

What if nuns

But gay

[fervent idol]

write my own language for the Elves

[green loom]

I need more rogue trader romances

[lime edge]

I still remmber the epic rap battle of Tolkien vs George

[fervent idol]

gorge marty?

[lime edge]

I'd like to blame this on my tablets crappy keyboard your honor lol

[storm jungle]

but basically yeah

40k is a fun setting but its not that complex

people describe 30k as if its some epic saga

when its literally just a fucking cashcow

lol

[fervent idol]

😠

[lime edge]

40k is only as good as the writter of that book

[green loom]

40k's strength

[storm jungle]

:)

[green loom]

Is that it's super malleable to let you fuck around with it

[fervent idol]

don't you touch my audiobooks.

[storm jungle]

Also this yeah, the issue is most of them are not good

[lime edge]

Thats why some books are actually good

anything dan makes basically lol

Also my God how many are there in total at this point

[green loom]

I farsaw that his book would be mediocre

Dilara, it's time to Farsee

[fervent idol]

40k is so bland now with the new stuff its like reskinned but worse as it develops more

[green loom]

It's as bland as it ever was tbh

[crisp heath]

@storm jungle I think what's sad is it truly has the capability to be an amazing story, and when told right and lined all up it is. People that argue this just forget that GW doesn't care as long as they make the abundant amount of cash they do, and that the narrative overall is simply unimportant

[lime edge]

40k is running into the AOS issue of just becoming a gernic version of space fanstay

[storm jungle]

Yeah basically this.

40k is a product

[storm jungle]

Age of Sigmar is pretty unique

its high fantasy but with a warhammer coat of paint

[green loom]

I think the important difference is that 40k doesn't make for a good story, but stories set in 40k can be quite good

[lime edge]

Conpaired to old world?

[green loom]

Especially compared to old world lmfao

[storm jungle]

Its incredibly more popular compared to the Old World, and making buckets upon buckets of cash

[inland sigil]

Hot take, I like Primaris marines.
There, someone said it.

[fervent idol]

retiring firstborn for primaris is the killer imo

[green loom]

If you put

Warhammer fantasy

And

Heroes of might and magic Infront of me

The difference would be pretty minimal

[fervent idol]

if you put

lego

and

[lime edge]

I feel like AOS is the worse part of warhammer, the random the over the top skulls and silly bits, while old world was silly at least most of the standard troops were rather simple. Now its just Warhammer gernic high fansaty

[fervent idol]

imperator titan

[fervent idol]

real

[lime edge]

Its just...Big dudes in armor, undead dudes, orks

[storm jungle]

I mean thats just fantasy

People really like AoS

its very accessible

[lime edge]

Like at least old world was kinda like,. you had gelt. The black knights of Morr

Also AoS I think is a easier wargame to get into

[storm jungle]

I mean so does AoS

its a very grimdark setting

its not sunshines and rainbows

lmao

[green loom]

Idk I'm happy with AoS

[storm jungle]

^

AoS is pretty awful

[fervent idol]

total war AOS? UWU

[rocky gale]

Age of Sigmar is great tbh, I think people just overhate it because of the way Endtimes happened when the majority of them probably weren't even around for Endtimes, so they're just carrying on someone elses' grude.

[green loom]

Also you can't really say "man this is generic", and compare them to "oh look, black knights with a butchered version of "mortis""

[storm jungle]

Yeah AoS still has the warhammer grimdark claws

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[lime edge]

I mean, fair! haha

[fervent idol]

does anyone collect AOS?

[green loom]

I want to

[rocky gale]

Yep

[green loom]

Hedonites my beloved

[lime edge]

I guess I just don't really care for AoS much lol

[rocky gale]

I've got both Cities of Sigmar and Flesh Eater Courts

I hunger for Ushoran

He will be mine

[lime edge]

wait is AoS better point with novel bloat than 40k?

[fervent idol]

it looks like a cool range but 40k has already got me

[crisp heath]

if i had to collect AOS id probably be basic as shit

[green loom]

It's pretty healthy narratively

[crisp heath]

and collect stormcasts

theyre just AOS space marines

[green loom]

With some apparently really good books

[green loom]

Hey they're pretty cool, they're kinda held back by their base scheme though

[fervent idol]

why don't they just give them guns

[green loom]

They did

[fervent idol]

have you ever met a knight that told you categorically they do not want an automatic firearm?

[green loom]

I've met a Knight but he didn't comment on that

[rocky gale]

I got the Flesh Eater court box today and the new codex is great, it's got a running trend through it where the Ghouls have kidnapped an artist to paint their portraits and he writes little blurb bits, it starts out with him calling them monsters and drawing them accurately, but as it goes on the artist succumbs to the delusion and begins to paint them more and more regal.

[lime edge]

"So thou thy just startith blasting at thou."

[fervent idol]

and thus the royal family was born

[outer wave]

Where does the delusion of the Flesh Eater Courts stem from?

[green loom]

Ushoran lol

[outer wave]

Damn elves.....

[rocky gale]

Ushoran their King, he was once a Noble beautiful vampire Lord who was regarded as a Paladin and would basically get cities to submit willingly to his forces and become cattle for the Vampires

[outer wave]

Oh no not elves

[outer wave]

I see I see

[rocky gale]

But then he got messed up and turned into

and it drove him a bit mad

[lime edge]

Actually weirdly if they updated the models the middle earth battles game everybody says has the best rules GW ever made

[green loom]

Just a teensy bit

[fervent idol]

Nito?

[rocky gale]

What?

[fervent idol]

Obscure Dark Souls reference

im at a distance from my screen but he came to mind

[storm jungle]

this looks like something that would live under my bed

[green loom]

Literally me

[rocky gale]

I wish Ushoran lived under my bed

[lime edge]

this is why you sleep under your bed big brain taps meme

[outer wave]

Interesting that the Grave Digger humans that associated themselves with the Vampire Counts basically became a curse in AOS

[storm jungle]

Death is a great faction in general

love their aesthetic

[outer wave]

I'm really just a big fan of Vampire Coast but the Counts are admittedly pretty interesting

[crisp heath]

So, good news everyone, I can finally progress on Footfall lol

[storm jungle]

Nagash making people who were doctors in their lives; aka people that helped others and prevent them from dying; and turning their souls into psychotic slave-ghosts that want to violently kill people just to be a troll is peak warhammer content

[crisp heath]

Only took a day or two

[fervent idol]

Fact of the day

[crisp heath]

I vaguely remember a story like that... some doctor becoming a nurgle Daemon because he wanted to help people or something like that

[outer wave]

Dr Festus

[fervent idol]

Dr House

[lime edge]

Also I will say, while the settings goofy for all the games all of their TTRPGs are really rather good.

even the AOS one is rather actually quite good

Their all better than dnd just desgin wise which is nice

[rocky gale]

I didn't know there was an AOS TTRPG

[lime edge]

Actually since their all subcontacted out to other companies their rules are better than GWs

[lime edge]

https://cubicle7games.com/our-games/age-of-sigmar-soulbound

[rocky gale]

Hmmm

[crisp heath]

gravelord nito...

[lime edge]

While the games you can't change the settings of like DND all of them have better game desgin than 5e

[fervent idol]

Chosen undead…

[crisp heath]

still have yet to finish ds1

[lime edge]

They are a bit more to get into just due to there being more books but ehh

also the Imperium Maledictum Collector's Edition Core book's cover is utterly stunning. one of the best covers of a book i've seen

[green loom]

Send?

[lime edge]

let me grab my book rq

[green loom]

Fancy

[fervent idol]

Nice classical hat

[lime edge]

Trust me my camera sucks

so it looks way better irl

[fervent idol]

Eagles at the top are well placed

[lime edge]

its like an inlay style

so the bits are at diffrent hieghts

Its also very smartly comes in a magent case so it will stay nice forever

[fervent idol]

Emperor Approved

[lime edge]

its a black fuax leather too so yeah. Truly a tome fit for a hero

Now only if it had rules for tanks 😭

[fervent idol]

That’ll be uhhhh £60 please

£90*

[lime edge]

I love cubic 7 but by god stop putting all the tanks in a diffrent book

Hey rember not GW is only like 40 bucks lol

[fervent idol]

Uwu

[lime edge]

But yeah, I do high recommend all of the warhammer games from cubic 7. They have good game desgin in them much better than dnd . Also depending on your intrests Old world one and Imperium Maledictum are crunchy and gritter where wrath and glory and AOS one are more power fanstay and bit more streamlined

[fervent idol]

I will give them a look, ta

[green loom]

Interesting that in Rogue Trader ||Janfis|| is a ||full on traitor||

[fervent idol]

I wish I could stand to play that game past the first hour

[velvet imp]

Well finally figure out how to remove Pasqal's debuff from chapter 3 the legit way in Rogue Trader without abusing the current bug in the game. When you find Pasqal, get him to literally ripe out the debuff with his bare hands and pass a Coercion check dialogue. If you are dogmatic then you get a special dialogue that will 100% this moment. Save scum this moment because failing to pass the check will result in Pasqal's death in your game.

[crisp heath]

So does the average eldar soldier just dance around a space marine in a 1v1 or is a closer fight?

[green loom]

Nah

[crisp heath]

I get space marines are strong and all but better tech and way more experience should make it pretty easy wipe for an eldar

[lime edge]

avg table top moment

[green loom]

The average eldar are militia

[crisp heath]

Not a militia an actual soldier

Trained warrior

[green loom]

No, guardians are civilian militia

Oh wait

Misread

So an aspect warrior?

[crisp heath]

I guess?

[green loom]

Depending on the aspect they can duke it out pretty evenly

[crisp heath]

I don’t know eldar lore

[green loom]

However, entirely reliant on author/dice rolls

[crisp heath]

Avatar of khaine moment

[fervent idol]

Real

[delicate sinew]

What are the lore ramifications of this?

69 penetration and damage? It's already the most phallic weapon.

[rose thorn]

the blessed balls crusher

[radiant lance]

Does Age of Sigmar have good lore?

I kinda locked it away in a dark closet because I'm salty over the end times

And how stormcast eternals are just space marines

[outer wave]

Its surprisingly interesting

We were just talking about the Flesh Eaters Court as an example

They're the Crypt Ghouls from Fantasy but now they believe they're genuine royalty

[storm jungle]

They are Order Chaos Warriors more than space marines, at the end of the day they are just big dudes in armor

otherwise though yeah it has pretty good lore and cool factions, you just kinda need to choose an entrance point

[crisp heath]

fantasy chaos better than 40k chaos

[outer wave]

True!!!!!

[storm jungle]

AoS also finally updated their range for chaos warriors

as expected, they look GIGA

[outer wave]

Giga Chad

Sad they're not really vikings anymore

[crisp heath]

chaos warriors try not to be fucking badass challenge

40k chaos is cool but not as cool as fantasy

40k chaos is boiled down to "imperium bad you are better leader" and daddy issues

fantasy chaos is because everyone is fucking evil and they dont give a shit

"yea i just bombed a town with plagues and killed everyone with a horde of bloodthirsty dogs, and im gonna do it again because im fucking evil"

[green loom]

Wait is this the chaos lord that comes as a build option with Eternus?

Also obligatory

[outer wave]

The way that Chaos Warrior's legs are spread out make me think his nuts are basketball sized

[crisp heath]

fantasy chaos is just better

simply because they are what chaos SHOULD be

where 40k fails

"ooooh i didnt like emperor. peter turbo and angry ginge told me to swap sides so i did"

"IM FUCKING EVIL I LOVE KILLING PEOPLE"

[radiant lance]

Fantasy had a much bigger emphasis on characters who overcame struggle or just chose to rise during great stress.

40k is more about being born into great power or being given it via gene mods and shit

[storm jungle]

"Cringe boys only police" is my favorite

[outer wave]

See, even there, you can still find some nuance to their evil if you take in consideration of Norsca being so close to the wastes and it being a general hell hole with no resources. Of course there'd be folks that wholeheartedly embrace their gods, because they know nothing better than them.

[radiant lance]

Skaven:

Why are they evil? They just are

That's just their culture

[outer wave]

And even if they did, they certainly won't be surviving so close to the wastes with very little but the cold

[crisp heath]

they dont give a shit either

theyre rats with guns

and swords

[radiant lance]

And mutants

And ninjas

For some reason

[crisp heath]

when ive played darktide to death ill probably go reinstall vt2

[arctic talon]

They learned it from Nippon

I’m not joking

[radiant lance]

Oh I know

[arctic talon]

The skaven clan wanted a leg up

Iirc

So uh rat ninjas

[radiant lance]

Eshin

There's also pirate rats

Rats that learned the power of sharing

[crisp heath]

think of something and the skaven probably have it

[radiant lance]

Plague rats but that's boring

[crisp heath]

dont they have their own version of bombers in vt2

[arctic talon]

Uhhh

Oh

Yeah poison wind globadiers

[crisp heath]

thats it

[arctic talon]

Aka

It’s chlorine gas

[radiant lance]

Yeah they're globadiers, and they're from skryre

[arctic talon]

On crack

[radiant lance]

It's warp gas

They use a lot of warp stone technology

[arctic talon]

The piss cloth method works

[crisp heath]

havent played enough vt2

[arctic talon]

According to gotrek and Felix

To not have your lungs melt

[storm jungle]

yeah in the skaven design notes its written that one big aspect of their warfare way is WW1 inspired

so that checks out

[radiant lance]

Skaven came from krieg

[arctic talon]

40K at least has begun leaning into chaos just being

Chaos

[radiant lance]

giant rat ogres and flesh abominations

[crisp heath]

aside from abaddon trying to "unite them under the same banner"

[arctic talon]

Especially the new codex related stuff lol

[storm jungle]

still WW1

[arctic talon]

Archeon

[storm jungle]

the mutants are pretty side-stuff

most skaven warfare tech is literally WW1 tier shit

[arctic talon]

Jezzails remind me of those

[storm jungle]

Yep

[arctic talon]

Really crappy sniper shields

[crisp heath]

most things in warhammer are inspired off actual warfare

[arctic talon]

That barely worked

[crisp heath]

who woulda thunk it

[radiant lance]

skryre doom rocket incoming

[arctic talon]

That’s just a nuke lol

Also new from total war warhammer 2

But it goes hard so who cares

[green loom]

Didn't they use rockets in end times

[storm jungle]

warpstone basically is a mcguffin for any kind of technology

they literally had televisions

and metro trains

lmao

[radiant lance]

https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Doomrocket

[storm jungle]

also in AoS skaven sometimes can literally gnaw through reality

by digging warp tunnels

💀

[arctic talon]

Yeah but nothing like the giant one from total war iirc

[green loom]

Didn't they blow up the moon with it lol

[arctic talon]

My favorite terrain feature lol

[storm jungle]

yeah the moon cracking was also done by a fuckig tractor beam

[arctic talon]

“Gnaw holes”

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

Ah

[arctic talon]

Nah they blew it up with a rocket iirc

The moon got moved with a tractor beam

[storm jungle]

yeah that was it

fucking morons lmao

[arctic talon]

Before another clan got pissy

[arctic talon]

Tbf it killed a lot of lizard men lol

[green loom]

End times really was just the skaven playground

[storm jungle]

yeah skaven literally had infinite numbers cheat

lol

[green loom]

Most of chaos is busy dying over the tiny village of Bugdesdorf
Skaven meanwhile are launching a multi continental war and also blowing up the planet

[arctic talon]

Also blew up the black pyramid of nagash

Lol

[green loom]

And killed Thorgrim

And like 20 other people

[arctic talon]

Thank you ikit claw

We still don’t know if Ikit lived lol

All we know is that the black pyramid of nagash did in fact blow up

[storm jungle]

then all the way into AoS the Skaven still fuck up Nagash's plans accidentally

💀

this is like

THE FOURTH TIME

[arctic talon]

They drowned skaven blight

[storm jungle]

Its so fucking funny

[green loom]

Mfw you flood your home with zombies

[radiant lance]

Lizardmen surviving into AoS by just flying into space and fucking off

[arctic talon]

Somehow you ruin nagash’s plan

Truly peak

Skaven are just comedic

Dark comedy but comedy nonetheless

[crisp heath]

theyre essentially 40k orks

they do orks better than actual fantasy orks do

simply because they do some random shit, fuck up someone else's intricate plan through sheer moronic will and then warp reality or something

[queen laurel]

old world fantasy orcs are the generic green brutes

[crisp heath]

yea i dont like fantasy orks

theyre okay but i prefer 40k orks

i live by fantasy chaos...

[outer wave]

^^

Fantasy Greenskins are kinda fun but 40k orks are better generally

[arctic talon]

AoS squigs sweep

[outer wave]

I do like goblins though

Goblins are so cool in Fantasy

[queen laurel]

yeah while they do have some shining things in their rough like grimgor skarsnik and Wurrzag, a good chunk of them are not the most interesting

[crisp heath]

theyre just the generic greenskin barbarian with a big axe or a big spear

[queen laurel]

They have decently good characters but whole army wise they're basically just your generic fantasy orcs

[arctic talon]

Klonk my beloved

[outer wave]

Yall forget Grom the Paunch

[crisp heath]

atleast with 40k you can give them a tesla cannon that makes a portal to the fucking warp and back and its somehow legal

[queen laurel]

I love that his entire point is that his headache can only be alleviated by using him as an anvil

[arctic talon]

It’s peak

[queen laurel]

Both clever and he looks like a creature from JoJo

[crisp heath]

dung dung dung dung dung dung dung

what would his stand be

[arctic talon]

Klonk?

A literal anvil that crushes people if it’s headache gets too severe lol

[queen laurel]

https://youtu.be/36PMkQAHco0?si=xyc6aUSSf_nZKUzY @storm jungle have you seen this?

[storm jungle]

lmao no

[queen laurel]

it's fuckin hilarious

[storm jungle]

bro

a "dumb ways to die" callback

in 2023

I love this

[queen laurel]

Reminds you of the good times huh and the fact that it's a warhammer 40K game

[storm jungle]

I love it

makes me feel old but in a good way

[queen laurel]

i love the presence of Tzeentch demons because you just know he is laughing his *** off on this particular individual's misery

[storm jungle]

they are just bing chilling

[queen laurel]

yeah they are

[soft thunder]

Is quartermaster brunt's full name Gurry “Brunt” Cernik? Anyone know the source? Trying looking throuhg some of the item descriptions on the gameslantern darktide page and not really sure if any of them are from the game or not.

[storm jungle]

We gotta try out most trusted source

IMBD

[soft thunder]

or is one of my mods blocking out item descriptions

[storm jungle]

Aw damn he doesn't even have an IMBD page

that does seem to be his name though?

[storm jungle]

Also another issue is Brunt was definitely suppose to be a Catachan guy

he has the Catachan "nickname" in his middle bit as per the lore and also one voiceline references this.

Im guessing late into development they just made him an ogryn since he isn't even a proper character and just left it like that without removing that one line

[soft thunder]

brunt has voicelines? This in the files or something?

[storm jungle]

Nah just the rejects once mentioning that Brunt is from Catachan

i literally only heard it once in 2k hours

but other people have referenced it too and this was before all the shops got the new cutscenes

[sacred ginkgo]

I got the first line of Foreshortened lifespans today

but not the rest

[soft thunder]

that's a wild rabbit hole. So did they mention his full name in that quote?

[storm jungle]

Just that hes from Catachan

his full name only comes from the description you mentioned

like i said they prob just changed it last minute since he isn't even a character

[queen laurel]

Of course they defaulted to him being an Abhuman because he is not much of A character, the fuckin Abhumanists

[soft thunder]

were these item descriptions on gameslantern relics of the beta year or pre release beta builds?

[sacred ginkgo]

I still want the "final" mission to have every single person as a VA, including randoms like the barber, both shop servitors, Brunt, Sefoni, the 6th adjutant

and all of them are just having an argument over vox

[crisp heath]

Wulfer coming in to gloat over our corpses just for brunt to come in and hit the dude like a golfball flying through the hull, causing decompression and blowing up the ship

Extremely common inquisition W

[arctic talon]

beta stuff iirc

[radiant lance]

Weapons had descriptions during the pre release "beta" for a bit until like halfway through and a week before release

Or something like that

My timeline is a bit fuzzy wuzzy

[vale fjord]

josquig higashidakka

[velvet imp]

I can see why people are having a hard time using Ulfar in rogue trader

his design as a Arch-militant/Ranger focus more on building his class buff stacks but he focus on high defense for his survival

[queen laurel]

Building him in the archetype is pretty easy on my opinion it's finding him the gear and the fact that you already have party members that can fill in his job

[velvet imp]

he focus a lot on the one-handed melee/bolt pistol combo as well

[velvet imp]

ya his best gear are tied to the highest rank reward for Faction trader levels

and which one you get depends on which faction you get to near max

which is a issue in his gear access design

[queen laurel]

and of course the party members doing his job, abelard is a pretty good warrior ranged hybrid and argenta absolutely demolishes anything with her bolter

[velvet imp]

The Astrate chainsword and better Astrate bolt pistol for him is in higher level rank of Vladaym faction as a example

But you get the Astrate Flamer in the Explorators faction

[dusk patrol]

You do get the stuff from a late game mission which is comparable

But the Explorator helmet is insanely clutch for him

[queen laurel]

It's not just him suffer from incredibly late game weapons take this for example you get this thing when you basically nearing the final boss

[dusk patrol]

He’s just not strong enough and way too limited to be that good, that being said

I still always have him lol

But he need some serious buffs

[queen laurel]

It's a shame that he's the only multiple tile companion you can have I would love to at least make my own space marine or you know replace it with an ogryn

[dusk patrol]

Plus his ability is bugged as hell

Him being built as a soldier is really weird too with how good his melee stats are

If he could dual wield melee he’d be a lot stronger

[queen laurel]

At least he dips a little bit into arch militant to buff the melee but yeah he's a soldier

But even building him as an amazing bolter space marine user you already have argenta for that

[dusk patrol]

Yeah his unique stuff isn’t strong enough

[queen laurel]

Also he is a space wolf, sure they use range but they prefer you know going in there and getting stuck in

[dusk patrol]

It’s really weird too how they give you pretty damn good chain axes he can’t use cause they’re heretical

And the ones he can are meh

And they’re Astartes only

You get the frost axe eventually but still

[queen laurel]

yeah limited weapon choices, the things he can do being not good enough and can be done by other people really hinder him and of course he's very specific build

[coarse pumice]

is there a massive FPS dip whenever there's plague gas?

[green loom]

God damn my game's been buggy since the last hotfix

Abelard's quest can't be done properly lol

[crisp heath]

Are custodes and primarchs even considered human anymore? I feel like they are so above and beyond a regular person they’d be a whole new thing

Like astartes would freak me out a lot but I can probably see them as just giant modified humans

Custodes and primarchs though are just nuts

[storm jungle]

They are all still human at the end of the day.

having enhancements doesn't make them any different.

[crisp heath]

Even if every part of them is enhanced and different from a normal human?

[rocky gale]

It's the transhuman debate, when does Human become Post-human

A very complex philosophical topic that requires big brain to explain, so instead I will quote Undertale

"Despite everything, it's still you"

[crisp heath]

Ship of Theseus moment

[storm jungle]

^

[queen laurel]

It's one of those things is being a human your form or your emotion?

[dusk patrol]

I don’t think you can consider primarchs human

[warm notch]

Can you believe it? Sanguinala! Just a week away.

[dusk patrol]

Custodes is a different topic although there’s arguments they aren’t also anymore but primarchs were made wholesale completely post human

[warm notch]

Isn’t the whole tragic thing that even though they’re “post-human” they still have stinky human emotions?

[storm jungle]

I mean not really?

Most custodians got hobbies

its a "lost in translation" thing

[queen laurel]

I mean their hobbies can only be taken by superhuman people but it's still a hobby

[storm jungle]

one book shows one custodian as just a guy with a little bit of distant thing towards humanity while being someone fun to be around

another is just like Valdor where they are just robots

so as usual "it depends"

[storm jungle]

Like knitting?

Or doing yoga?

which one Custard does 💀

[queen laurel]

damn it would be fun to play DND with a giant banana man

hmm

The custody would probably be having pretty good rolls though

[storm jungle]

a custodian is basically as much human as the writer allows them to be so yeah lmao

[queen laurel]

"sorry john you rolled a 1"

the custodes looks at me

Custodes: " damn and I put all of my points on charisma"

[dusk patrol]

I’m not talking about their humanity

I’m talking about biologically

They’re chemically remade

[storm jungle]

Well yeah everyone knows that

still human at the end of the day

[coarse pumice]

is there a bug that stops you getting colony rewards?

just did the secrets of winterscale and got nothing for it

[velvet imp]

honestly at this point, I won't be surprised if they are working on New Game+ or a new Act after Chapter 5 for a DLC

[velvet imp]

I think they are trying to emphasis the aspect of the Space Marine that always use guns more than Melee

most space marines are trained to be Soldiers like after all

[dusk patrol]

They’re trained as all

By the time they’re a tactical marine like he is they’ve done it all

[velvet imp]

yes but warrior won't have the "1 AP reload" perk they would have by default unless they make a entire new staring class for him

I think alot of aspects for Ulfar is mostly they did not make a entire new unique starting class for him

[dusk patrol]

I mean they made unique stuff for a lot of the rest of the cast

[velvet imp]

so they stick with the one that could provide him the most to be closer to what they wanted

[dusk patrol]

Pascal and Cassia in particular basically have their own class

[velvet imp]

It is mostly Origin related though

[dusk patrol]

They kinda try to give him the warrior charge but it’s pretty buggy

[velvet imp]

seem they only worked it out for Origin uniqueness

[dusk patrol]

And it could be for him too

He doesn’t have any unique perks

[velvet imp]

but never for Archtype class uniqueness

[dusk patrol]

Cassia is more than that

Pascal is arguably too

[velvet imp]

ya that I found stange despite his unique attack skills to have both a special charge attack that works for Range weapons and "run and gun"

[dusk patrol]

Im just saying he’s undercooked and could use some adjustments which I’m sure will happen with time

[queen laurel]

They can't do that, allow us to make our own space marine equivalents like a custom ogryn

[dusk patrol]

It’s pretty clear what came later in development and what got more beta testing

It’s standard Owlcat stuff, is what it is

But I do want him to be actually worth bringing

Especially since his whole deal is he’s supposed to be insane in combat and not as good for skill checks

Except for like athletics and carouse.

[queen laurel]

yeah righ now the only thing you can really use him on is to obtain a good Vanguard item

After that you can completely ditch him

[dusk patrol]

He’s not useless but with how tough the game can get rn if you play any sort of higher difficulty he’s far from optimal

||The Lord of Change fight was a huge bitch with having to bring him for the quest. ||

[queen laurel]

yeah fuck that guy especially with this

that thing already has a **** ton of health then you add that

[burnt maple]

Meh, easy.

[dusk patrol]

I had to switch to the uh

The one right after normal difficulty

[burnt maple]

Core?

[dusk patrol]

No past that

[queen laurel]

easy?

[dusk patrol]

No after

[burnt maple]

Normal? XD

[queen laurel]

wait

[dusk patrol]

I hate you both

[burnt maple]

WHAT.

I am trying to help!

[queen laurel]

What we're guessing

At least I am

[burnt maple]

I play the one to the left of core myself.

[dusk patrol]

Idk there’s the middle one

The one harder than that

[queen laurel]

Darine?

[dusk patrol]

That

[queen laurel]

Daring

[dusk patrol]

Daring yeah

I think

[burnt maple]

There you go.

[velvet imp]

chapter 3 feels mostly like a Gatekeeping chapter anyways

designed to sky rocket the difficulty either because a DM wanted you to stop so he/she can stop playing the game or punish you for not organizing your companions and yourself to specific roles at this point

[queen laurel]

my brother in christ after chapter 3 it doesn't get much better in chapter 4

In chapter 4 the first things you do literally bombard you with bosses

[velvet imp]

which is why I said chapter 3 is the gatekeeping chapter

[queen laurel]

the difficulty spike from chapter 2 to 3 feels way too ******* deliberate yeah

[dusk patrol]

It’s a bit much yeah

[velvet imp]

Chapter 3 and on ward really feels like a D&D session where the DM just say "screw it if you won't stop playing then I'll just make the game hard enough so you do"

or "I really want to ruin your day so let me up the difficulty"

[dusk patrol]

Idk how they expect most people to beat some of these fights without just swapping to narrative

[queen laurel]

also i'm adding this to my book of grudges

[dusk patrol]

Like most of a chapter will be fine

[queen laurel]

Just to spite you

[dusk patrol]

Well I’m adding your butt to mine

So there

But yeah it’s standard owlcat stuff

[queen laurel]

My brother I forcefully torture myself by reading warhammer fan opinions

[dusk patrol]

Give it a few months

[queen laurel]

You can do a lot worse trust me

But yeah owlcat is just figuring out what to do i think

because it's annoying those sweet end game weapons i don't get to use more

A lot of the good end game weapons are basically just givin so that you have an advantage against the boss fight

After that you do not get to use it

Which is frustrating and annoying

Like come on let me have fun with the overpowered gear

[dusk patrol]

Me, starting my new playthough grabbing all the weapons with toybox

[queen laurel]

yeah but where's the satisfaction of earning it when you want to earn it you know

My brother in Christ ||I killed a greater daemon and necrons to get to that place let me have it||

[burnt maple]

EXACTLY. When I saw that bolter at Drusians that got some bonus for Argenta's ability... I wanted it so much.

OF COURSE IT WAS NOT MEANT TO BE.

[queen laurel]

yeah that's one of the games not strongest points to the grinding for reputation

[burnt maple]

Yeeeeep.

[queen laurel]

Even if you dedicate every single building you build to a single faction it still won't be enough

[burnt maple]

Every single resource spent on that faction: still not enough.

[queen laurel]

yeah which is a shame because this armor for example is literally at the end of the drusian rep store, but getting that requires unbelievable amount of warp anomaly encounters in the ship

[burnt maple]

Exactly! It is simply unfair.

[dusk patrol]

Its one of many issues which will probably be fixed as time goes on

[queen laurel]

Yeah a good chunk of the good gear from reputations and factions being locked on an unbelievably hard to grind system is the one of the annoying ones i want to be fixed

[burnt maple]

I am considering toyboxing fun items on my next playthrough.

[dusk patrol]

I just maxed my rep with toybox for some

[queen laurel]

Yeah you may as well do that, I just had every single item add it to my inventory but of course I removed the ones that are quests related

Going back to the space marine ulfar this right here is probably the one gear that you want to stuck to him when you want to utilize his melee stats

But I do not know where the **** do you find this

[dusk patrol]

I did everything I could with Drussians and it wasn’t even close to enough

I got no clue

Probably not obtainable

The model looks weird when he holds it in game

[queen laurel]

ohh yeah this weapon as well

I do not know what you would use it from but it's funny I suppose

yeah that armor piercing means that you better use this on squishy targets

[dusk patrol]

Insane damage

You get it from the uh

The pirates

[queen laurel]

Yeah the fellowship of the void

The ones that also provide the best heavy bolter

[velvet imp]

oh the shotgun

these are fun to have if you want a melee range gun that can knock back enemies as well

shotguns are very handy for gun focus builds for melee range attacks

absolute monsters if you use the Soldier ability to boost up AoE range damage

[queen laurel]

i combo that with argenta, activate increase recoil and fire rate and AOE damage, add some further buffs and watch as the problem disappear as she aims at the general direction and fire

[burnt maple]

Argenta as the dmg stacking subclass + flamer and skills to increase area dmg = apocalypse.

[velvet imp]

guess with the truth about Jae's past (if you take her with you), she counts as our ||Astra Militarum|| companion

[burnt maple]

Not arch-militant. The other one.

Tactitian?

[velvet imp]

I have my Argenta on Heavy weapons duty with Melta and Heavy Flamer

[burnt maple]

Oh, yes. But once you find a toxic flamer... Boy, oh boy!

[queen laurel]

Bro that thing is horrifying on her

[burnt maple]

Exactly. Regardless of subclass

[crisp heath]

Rogal Dorns favorite song is Brick by Brick

[crystal forum]

one piece at a time

and it didn't cost me a dime

[crisp heath]

You think Legos are called Rogals in 40k

Give your kid that Phalanx build set for Sanguinala

Only 600 thrones

[green loom]

Rogue trader got that Archon of Flesh influence

[velvet imp]

I do not think they intended players to reach Exemplar by chapter 3 in rogue trader considering what level the 2 companions we can get in Chapter 3 starts out as if we over level

well atleast being overleveled helps

I am guessing the Exemplar OP passives are due to the difficulty spike in Chapter 3 and onward

though Ulfar seem to favor Exemplar skills that focus on taking advantage of his high toughness stats for more damage.

glad Pascal can get Know-It-All passive now

that is just such a OP passive for INT based characters

I have a question....

How much HP difference is between Normal and Daring?

I'm working my way through normal difficulty for now in Rogue trader just to get a feeling for the game and make more personal dialogue choices gameplay/story wise

I'm mostly 2 to 3 shotting burst attack high HP enemies on my Main character since he is a Bolter burst fire Soldier/Arch militant desired for multiple instant turn combat

[lime edge]

the weirdest thing with rouge trader its RPG core is not even from a current warhammer TTRPG. It uses dark heresy which has been replaced by Wrath and Glory and Imperium Maledictum

[rose thorn]

i forgot what 40k's christmas was called

sanguinmas?

[green loom]

Sanguinala

[green loom]

It's vaguely based on rogue trader, which is the same D100 system

it's mostly it's own thing or so I'm told, just borrows the D100

[lime edge]

From what i've digged around it appears to be changed a bit with house rules than some of the wording changed

[rose thorn]

its the one where like, peopel bleed into a cup?

i completely forgot

[green loom]

No idea

[rose thorn]

40k's holidays are weird

[lime edge]

I feel like Fantasy Flight's TTRPGs were a very large mixed bag before basically every company went away from using them

[green loom]

But yeah apparently all the FFG systems are pretty similar

[rose thorn]

i feel like call of cthulu would be the best 40k system

besides the offical ones

[lime edge]

All of the warhammer ones are. They had their weird speical dice that worked well for the stars wars one

The star wars game was bloated as hell, there was a ton of things to do but there was like...3-6 races a book and every book for some reason had races there was no just race book

[rocky gale]

The Star Wars game is great, but you need a Wiki to compile all the stuff

[lime edge]

Yeahhh, I love it and got a lot of the books. But between the dice and book bloat FFG shot it self in the foot

[rocky gale]

Because yea, there's like 300 books and the races, subclasses and weapons were spread through them at random

[rose thorn]

i heard that someone played a warhammer camapign with a slighly modified necromunda system

[lime edge]

Even the armory book does not have all the weapons lol

Also savage worlds likely be an ok game to run something light and 40ky

[rocky gale]

Some of the weapons had ridiculous power creep in the later books it got kinda ridiculous, like there's ones that were added which did like double damage of their basic version and were also cheaper and easier to get.

[lime edge]

The races were mildly funny as well geonosian's being hands down the best race

I liked in theory how races were balanced. Races with more speical powers and always X be it strong, smart or fast got those but were less flexable....thats fine untill you have races that can fly and can be as strong smart and fast as anybody else

[versed ledge]

Merry Christmas to those on the wrong side of the globe, or Merry Sanguinalia to my fellow imperials

[lime edge]

So the game ended up being random good races than 20+ races that have like two speical rules diffrent in X role

[rose thorn]

how do they celebreate Sanguinalia again?

[inland sigil]

They probably saceifice their second born or sth.

[snow fern]

https://youtu.be/HTJwhS0-Y7U?feature=shared

[shell mason]

Happy Christmas Eve chat

I didnt know daemon prince's can blow themselfs up

[versed ledge]

You learned the hard way in dawn of war didn't you?

[shell mason]

is it at will? Cuz wtf

[storm jungle]

blow themselves up?

[shell mason]

yes

or is it when they die?

[storm jungle]

What do you even mean

[arctic talon]

Greater Daemons dying is usually very explosive

[velvet imp]

warp beings always got to die EXPLOSIVELY. As many series shown, all great villains die by exploding. How else will they emphasis their "big bad antagonist" nature?

[arctic talon]

Tbh small daemons usually don’t explode as hard

[velvet imp]

then they have not reach "Big bad antagonist" status.

The auto-counterattack boots you get in chapter 3 is so good on Abe for Rogue trader. Ya it is still based on AGI stats but Abe already got so many parry stats from other means so he will always auto counterattack.

[snow fern]

It could also give it to heinrix if you made him an agility based assassin or Arch Militant

Arch militant is really good on him. As well as everyone else. Its a good archetype

Although I give Heinrix the -1ap to charge boots. Very good boots

[velvet imp]

this is best for him if he is designed for charge attack builds

as a Assassin, he should be taking advantage of the Assassin skill that makes him always low priority target

so he will never get attacked and his next turn always has him doing more damage

[snow fern]

I kinda prefer Arch Militant for the extra attacks myself

[velvet imp]

ya this job path been my favorite so far considering back in Alpha it was consider the worst archtype. The revamp they did really made it very strong

though to fully benefit it, you'll need a officer who can provide constant extra turns

makes me wonder what will the other Archtypes be in the future DLCs

[versed ledge]

if you do enough damage they go boom, but I forget whether they take anyone with them nearby to hell

[shell mason]

ok

[versed ledge]

Though I personally never had that happened, because the AI rarely fields them, or because I'm sending so much rounds down range with heavy weapons squads that go boom before they cause anyone harm

[wintry cloud]

do daemonettes canonically look like the half male half female design? Or do they have no specific form and can change their look at will?

[arctic talon]

they can take on whatever form they want but the most common one is the half male half female with claws

[rigid dune]

The holy faith that the zealot is screaming about and the holy miracle power the sororitas can manifest, are those two the same thing?

[dire apex]

Yes, both are bending the warp via intense emotion and thought,

Of course it takes quite a few more sisters in one place to manifest the same level of power that our zealots do

[snow fern]

Living saints and Legion of the Damned are essentially Imperial Daemons

[rigid dune]

So are the zealots above the sisters in terms of holy power?

[snow fern]

Not particularly. But if zealot does get some sick power armor let me know

[dire apex]

Most of the time the faith manifestation of sisters requires multiple fighting alongside each other and typically is something like an enemy’s weapon jamming right as they are about to shoot

Not blinding and stunning everyone in a radius and making allies invincible

[snow fern]

Sisters are just normal humans, except the whole training from childhood and better equipment that most people get

There is a degree of gamification to DT as well. Like not dropping dead from all the Nurgle Rot

[dire apex]

Of course there are the high power sisters like the knock off emperor one

[rigid dune]

I am having trouble to see a difference between the zealot and repentia, they look and do kinda the same thing?

[dire apex]

Zealot isn’t apart of the munistorum

And didn’t train in the schola progenium

[rigid dune]

So the difference is that one is a job and the other a mental sickness?

[dire apex]

Yes

Zealots are generally considered a nuisance

[snow fern]

Frothing idiots aren’t very good at following directions

And unlike a khornate berserker, they don’t got the martial prowess to back it up

[rigid dune]

So if a zealot just screamed hard enough, technically they could grow wings like the saints?

[snow fern]

Not likely. I imagine there’d be more living saints if it were so simple

[dire apex]

The amount of faith that those around the saint is more important than the individual’s faith

[arctic talon]

Probably not

[languid salmon]

Bright side they can be a meat shield for more important troops

[normal light]

Emperor acts like a Chaos god but has less champions

[normal light]

Because he also somewhat “blesses” them

Except daemonhood they get sainted

[snow fern]

Legion of the damned is more dangerous than nearly any daemon army. Course they just show up wherever

[arctic talon]

They’re less consistent then daemons

[normal light]

💀

[arctic talon]

And daemons are lowkey just as horrifying

If they show up in force

[normal light]

They are

[arctic talon]

Except you usually don’t see hundreds of thousands of daemons

You see like 30 of them lol

[normal light]

Even in books?

[rigid dune]

How is this different from how psykers use the warp?

[snow fern]

Yah more than like 30 means you need to zoop zop outa there cause that’s a daemon world you landed on buddy

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[normal light]

Or you are being invaded

[arctic talon]

They’re usually treated with decent respect

Because

They’re the literal forces of hell

Daemons have always had a really weird disconnect between perception and how they actually fight

[normal light]

Still the daemons are pretty deadly

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah

[dire apex]

Psykers tap into the warp directly to use its power, instead of bending it with emotion

[snow fern]

Yah who’s gonna 1v1 Skarbrand this week lmao

[arctic talon]

Being around daemons is generally miserable at best

Actively dangerous at worse

They give off that horrifying aura™️

Unless you’re just built better