40k-lore-chat

[green loom]

Is everyone's everyone's ultimate enemy

[velvet imp]

sneaky little devils the owlcat developers are hiding a strong las pistol near the beginning of chapter 3 for rogue trader that is easily missed

[green loom]

Whereabouts

[velvet imp]

Ugly beggar in chapter 3 right where you wake up in the pile of bodies

basically get mad at him and your character will accidently kill him

allowing you to loot his body for a 20 - 30 damage las pistol

[green loom]

Damn

Keeping that one in mind

[velvet imp]

so anyone know how strong are the late game bolt pistols once you reach chapter 4 and 5 for Rogue trader?

I've seen no data collection of late game gears yet since most players are still working their way through chapter 2 and chapter 3

[dusk patrol]

I don’t think any are that impressive

[rocky atlas]

Wolfer is Zola’s dad, change my mind

[outer wave]

No I kinda believe it

That or her brother

[rocky atlas]

40k is chock full of terrible dads so it tracks pretty well

[outer wave]

Gotta keep up the tradition

Shower thought: Khorne is likely the only chaos God that would honor a marriage between two individuals. Between excess, the guy that wants to break rules, and the other that doesn't explicitly say he won't lie, Khorne is the best God to marry under if you were a chaos follower.

[brisk vine]

Wolfer is Zola's son

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/sorry-gif-1284676348901827341

[dusk patrol]

Wolfer and Zola are platonic long distance friends who meet up every few years.

[stray bluff]

I counter w Grand daddy Nurgle, he likes a family

[inland sigil]

"I can fix him Rennick"

[outer wave]

But he doesnt explicitly honor, well, honor and all that; he is as capable of lying as Tzeentch and Slaanesh. He just wont do it as often as they would, especially Tzeentch. Khorne explicitly hates lying and betraying any sort of code of conduct.

[stray bluff]

So even Gulliman in his empowered form, wielding the Emperor’s sword dare not enter Nurgle’s manse

[brisk vine]

Warp travel

[stray bluff]

Ahh

[brisk vine]

Zola is actually much older

(this is not canon)

(this is a joke)

[outer wave]

You're not wrong though, Nurgle does represent familial love

[stray bluff]

I think Khorne has been retconned to care not where blood flows, only that it flows. The “honor” part is old old lore

[outer wave]

Ehhhh not really

I think its still there but its downplayed significantly

Because its pretty easy to write frothing berserkers than anything else

That and its a code of honor made by Chaos, so it doesnt quite make sense anyway

[velvet imp]

In the Grimdark future, there is only Daddy issues

[rocky atlas]

Facts

[velvet imp]

That is ashame. I was hoping for a decent Bolt pistol build for my Arch-militant

[rocky atlas]

Also speaking of rouge trader, I just bought the game and waiting for it to download

I’m excited to play it

[bronze vigil]

Honor for Khorne is mostly still there tbh, ie Angron didn’t like Kharn attacking him from behind, and even said no true son of Khorne will do such a cowardly and treacherous thing (Kharn just stabbed Angron with a teleport beacon so he won’t massacre everyone in the Conqueror before being allowed to descend to Terra by Horus).

Angron also said that the blood and skulls of the crew of the Conqueror ain’t really that pleasing to Khorne and prefer the skulls and blood of worthy foes, but the Blood God did enjoy the slaughter nonetheless.

[crisp heath]

also skarbrand

probably the most evident example of khorne's twisted sense of "honor"

[bronze vigil]

Yup I guess it’s mostly martial honor but any mortal is open season. In Warhammer Fantasy it’s also the case for Khorne worshippers.

Even that female Khorne champion in a Gotrek and Felix novel was instructed to kill her own daughter to please Khorne.

Valkia the Bloody also killed her own family and tribe as sacrifice for Khorne when she became his Valkyrie

[green loom]

In 40k it's a lot less present tbh

More of a thing his followers kinda do

But them not caring who, what or how they kill is a big part of 40k khorne stuff

[bronze vigil]

Yup I think the difference between Fantasy and 40k is that martial honor and being picky who to fight against are more important to Khornates in WFB. In 40k it’s just kill and destroy

[outer wave]

^

One of the many things that makes Fantasy more based than 40k tbh

I still love 40k

[bronze vigil]

Well I think mostly because of the butcher’s nails tbh. I mean only Kharn is the only one who’s kinda honorable to a degree, even if he was called the betrayer he thinks like a proper Khorne champion not some mindless animal

[green loom]

Honourable.... known for killing friendlies

[bronze vigil]

Well I mean what’s new, everyone of his brothers did it same with Angron his genefather lmao

Kharn have the longest restraint of all WE tbh

[green loom]

Yet he's the only model with friendly fire mechanics, curious 🤔

(probably not true )

Didn't he also single handedly shatter the legion?

[outer wave]

You know what would be cool? If there were WE marines that basically became "peaceful" monks that attempt to resist the influences of the nails and/or Khorne's corruption via meditation

[green loom]

I think that's more or less what the world eaters Apothecary in the bile books does?

[wet sandal]

All the deadly demise models are technically friendly fire

[outer wave]

I believe so yes? Thats the one that feeds meat to carnivorous plants yeah?

[green loom]

Probably

[bronze vigil]

Yes he did because he killed more than his dad or other WE and you do know Khornates, they’re ok when they’re the ones who are killing their kin, but if you try to kill em they get angry

Even Lotara just shakes her head at those dumb brutes with IQ of 8 for Khorne’s lapdogs

Like Angron getting angry when World Eaters try to kill him when he’s trying to kill them. It’s ironically funny

And another one Angron trash-talked everyone but hates it when he’s trash-talked, so Horus basically muted him during the primarchs’ holo-briefing and Fulgrim trolling him.

Siege of Terra got lots of ironically funny moments tbh

And Khornates in 40k are just ironically hypocrites, still like them though

[crisp heath]

Theoretical question. If you could change one thing in 40k's story, what would it be and why?

[thorny turtle]

Fake Alpharius dying on my behalf. Always going to miss that one. Guy actually thought that he wasn't going to get chopped in half by Dorne.

[green loom]

I want a God Empress

[bronze vigil]

Yup. A primarch as observant as the twins can see what Dorn’s gonna do tbh

[rose thorn]

No perpetuals

[thorny turtle]

Just let John die already, space freaks keep ressurecting him because they're too lazy to do it themselves.

[bronze vigil]

I believe then we need to get rid of the God-Emperor as well if we are to have no more perpetuals

[plush mason]

so are the word bearers all chaos undivided or are there warbands that worship just one of the gods?

[tulip brook]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/The_Sanctified

[plush mason]

figured

[green loom]

Nah

No legion's marines follow entirely one god

We just mainly follow the largest groups

[plush mason]

i thought the world eaters where all Khornites

[tulip brook]

known warbands are all corny afaik

[green loom]

Yeah known

Doesn't meant you can't make some that are Tzeentch aligned or smthn

[plush mason]

ofc

but i was asking about the official lore

[green loom]

Ah

[plush mason]

i assume the fact the sanctified warband left the word bearers means the warbands still in the legion are all chaos undivided

[tulip brook]

prophets of the blighted path sounds like they are good with nurgle and they haven't joined any other legion

[bronze vigil]

Most traitor legions follow certain gods, all of them, or not at all. ie Night Lords don’t like the chaos gods but they’re considered Undivided

And a firstborn World Eater will never fell for Tzeentch or Slaanesh, Khorne already claimed them through the butchers nails (which kill most psyker astartes tbh)

[tulip brook]

as usual they are pretty hypocritical about their view. On one hand they use it as an excuse to look down upon each other as they view them as slaves to chaos; on the other hand, they won't say to no to some extra power for their benefit and they are ok with possessed among their ranks

[bronze vigil]

Yup most Word Bearers have been following the Pantheon like Lorgar. It’s a decree by their primarch to follow all the gods, but don’t reject or show preference to any of them if they offer gifts or blessings

[bronze vigil]

I’ve read a book about how Word Bearers work tbh, and they treat those chaos WB astartes who go AWOL as traitors tbh and they hunt em down (this is in the novel Daemon World)

They also don’t mind killing other chaos factions just to reach their goal, given they killed Slaaneshi followers and space marines in that same daemon world

[tulip brook]

I was talking about Night Lords. Hunting each other down is csm way of conflict resolution anyway

[bronze vigil]

Yup it’s basically just following their primarch’s words. Night Lords just don’t like the chaos gods, except maybe the Painted Count

[tulip brook]

don't they have the biggest raptor cults?

[bronze vigil]

Yup but they’re a legion divided anyway. Most are just deniers. If you’re normal you’re basically anti-chaos, but when the blessings show up and they mutate you, you change sides

Hypocrites basically yup

Like that daemon said to Skraivok before pulling him back to the warp “You’re cowards, pretenders, and sadists, but you will never know fear til you experience it”

[grave sparrow]

didn't the nightlords use daemons to basically infest the Lion's ship? Was that prior to them understanding and denying chaos?

[undone zodiac]

Was it during horuses tableflip

[bronze vigil]

They were divided iirc, Horus offered them the blessings of the gods but most refused. This also started a mini civil war between them (night lords killing each other in their own ships)

[grave sparrow]

Ahh, yeah so it would've been before that probably. Yeah this was pretty early on in the horus humbug when the dark angels were fighting the nightlords

[bronze vigil]

It’s during the thramas crusade yup

[grave sparrow]

Cool little story though, the idea of a ship constantly pursuing yours through the warp is a spoopy concept

[bronze vigil]

Not really spooky given mortals are in the warp chasing ascended/immortal creatures that it’s ironically funny, ie Corax and Lorgar

[radiant lance]

What if the great horned rat gets powerful enough to break IP barriers and enter 40k?

[storm jungle]

[grave sparrow]

Lorgar's always funny, because he is a joke

[bronze vigil]

Lorgar ain’t a joke tbh given he’s the first heretic primarch but he’s too ambitious for his own good

The real joke is Angron for me

[grave sparrow]

I think Erebus was more of a threat than Lorgar. Angron is just tragic

[green loom]

A Chapter called "The Space Cats" would eat them in a random flavour text blurb

[bronze vigil]

Angron: Forever A Slave

[queen laurel]

Landed in a planet got ambushed by Eldar he was able to protect himself but he was now too weak and got captured, got his brain ripped apart to become a gladiator, and when he led the revolution for his people the emperor didn't even ******* save them

[green loom]

Forever unshaved

[bronze vigil]

When it comes to tragic I think it’s just a matter of perspective, I feel more sad about Curze than Angron

[green loom]

They all deserved worse

[bronze vigil]

Well tbh Lorgar is right all along anyway

Horus did deserve his death given he willingly fall to chaos even though warned by Magnus. I like the fact that he says to Erebus in his dream that he will rebel on his own accord, no need to goad him or influence him

[queen laurel]

to be fair a good chunk of the horus heresy problems would disappear if i teleport into the warhammer universe and kicked erebus in between the legs and then kick him in between the legs again after shooting him in the head

[grave sparrow]

Still makes you wonder why the Emperor never mentioned the actual threat of the Chaos gods to his sons. Or at least some of them. He at least told Horus that things like demons do exist in the warp, but never like "oh yeah, there's literal entities that can corrupt the shit out of things"

Or at least to Magnus.

[green loom]

Mentioning it to Magnus would not have changed anything

He'd just go "That wouldn't happen to me ", and do it anyway

[dusk patrol]

Possibly would have made it worse

[grave sparrow]

I mean maybe he wouldn't have taken Tzeentch's offering and destroyed the Emperor's barriers

[dusk patrol]

Magnus’s issue was always his arrogance

[green loom]

"Ah yes, an evil entity, I will definitely outsmart it" is how I imagine that'd go

[grave sparrow]

like "oh, what's this big omnious shadow in the warp offering me power, sounds gucchi, thanks dude"

[dusk patrol]

He was aware there was malevolent entities in the warp, he was just a dumbfuck

[grave sparrow]

Yeaa, yea. Magnus pulled a pretty big silly goose moment

[green loom]

Even at his hearing he fucks himself more than the opposition could have hoped iirc

[storm jungle]

Magnus was definitely arrogant but his moronic actions definitely suffer slightly from "Gotta do it because plot"

[dusk patrol]

It was his primary issue throughout the heresy, lots of primarchs were on board with using psykers or at least not opposed to them but he always was shown to be super reckless

He and his sons

[grave sparrow]

I feel like "gotta do it because plot" was the only way the writers could escape the corners they found themselves in lol

[dusk patrol]

They were playing with the training wheels on and thought they were masters of it

It tracks with how he acts before the event

[storm jungle]

pretty much the entirety of 30k is like this

the writers try their best to make key events happen

unfortunately most end up being very dumb lol

Its funny tho so

[green loom]

It's shit like

[grave sparrow]

A lot of it's like "believable" dumb at least. Like people do be doin stupid things

[green loom]

"Wow this is not how this would probably go, oh well someone wrote it 30 years ago so I've got no choice"

[storm jungle]

^

Yeah it goes between

• "Yeah I can see that happening"
• "Derp lol"

[grave sparrow]

and "holy fuck that's stupid, that's so fuckin stupid"

[dusk patrol]

There’s definitely more they should have adjusted or changed or thought through more but

[storm jungle]

^

[grave sparrow]

like magnus's STUPID STORY at the council of Nikea

[dusk patrol]

It’s how it do be

[storm jungle]

yeah like

the core aim of 30k is not to tell a story

[dusk patrol]

Idc much it works well enough for me

[storm jungle]

its to sell shit

End and the Death excluded

[dusk patrol]

The early heresy has the biggest issues

[storm jungle]

thats just Abnett trying to be Shakespeare lol

[grave sparrow]

The first few books of the heresy were really good. Then after Flight of the Eisenstein it's a lot of hit or miss

[storm jungle]

How Abnett expected most people to react to Sanguinius dying :😭

How I reacted:

Seeing dumb good guys get the shit beaten out of them is peak fiction for me

[green loom]

Beating up Dilara in #general-chat

[grave sparrow]

Everyone's always like "hawk boy best primarch"

and I'm like "this sounds like an author's kid who really likes nice superhero vampire angels created the idea of him and the author tried his best"

[dusk patrol]

He has a lot of writing issues til the siege

[bronze vigil]

It’s been implied he knows that Horus will rebel and let it happened. The positions of the pieces on the chessboard/regicide match he have with Malcador strongly hints this tbh

[dusk patrol]

I don’t think there’s actually a good take on Sanguinius until the siege series

[grave sparrow]

Emps just wanted 1000 psyker souls per day so he could epic anime battle the chaos gods in the warp

[dusk patrol]

Although him breaking the cloud coverage in Titandeath is cool

[storm jungle]

I like Sanguinius but the fact that even he acknowledges he has in-universe plot armor and exploits it was genuinely some of the dumbest shit

[queen laurel]

"orks are not evil"

the ork to the guardsman:

[storm jungle]

i appreciate that at least he gets a mortal wound from Angron

🎲

[dusk patrol]

The siege is fun because it’s just him kinda seeing how long he can ride the “immortality” shit

[bronze vigil]

Sanginius and Jaghatai Khan are the best primarchs given their care and compassion for basic humans. Dorn be like, “let em die bro they signed up for it anyway”

[dusk patrol]

“I’m just gonna go fly around between the anti air batteries, cause I don’t die here”

[dusk patrol]

It’s more someone has to make the calls during the siege

[green loom]

me when the "caring", "compassionate" primarchs are mass murdering monstrosities

[dusk patrol]

They can’t all go ride out and get themselves killed

[grave sparrow]

I fuckin love Dorn lol, dude's such an asshole and it's hilarious

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[grave sparrow]

"hey corax, I know your legion is like super sneaky breaky and you have like, 2000 dudes left, but you should totes stay on terra and build walls n shit with me bro. It'll be fun bro, trust me bro."

[dusk patrol]

Compassion is a dumb trait when your failure means every human in existence is gonna fall to a chaos empire

[green loom]

Sanguinius be like "Well they said no to totally subverting their way of life and changing everyone, so just go and kill all of them!"

[bronze vigil]

Well makes sense, he knows he won’t die so why not? It’s the same with Layak trolling Abaddon. He doesn’t care because he knows he won’t die to Abaddon so he says stuff to the irritated guy

[dusk patrol]

It does

I like it, and it’s cool, but it’s also funny from any other perspective

Cause his men are very aware he’s doing that and Dorn definitely is

Like it makes sense from our PoV cause we know he doesn’t die and also he does have precog we’ve seen

But for everyone else

[bronze vigil]

Well same with Curze, dude also knows he won’t die by his primarch brothers’ hands so he’s also basically carefree and go vigilante terrorist mode on their turf

[dusk patrol]

People not killing Curze is

Reminds me of the last season of the Boys

Same feeling

[grave sparrow]

I'm still a lil upset that the Lion didn't beat his ass. Like yeah, curze is a scrappy mofo, but like... It's the Lion, dude's a beast

[bronze vigil]

I mean anyone gifted with foresight will definitely take advantage of their gifts

[dusk patrol]

Like I get it, he can’t die there

[green loom]

Corswain coming in with the steel chair

[dusk patrol]

But fuck me just don’t write like five different people who could have killed him

[bronze vigil]

Cause and effect. It’s set in stone. Curze basically have seen the ending of his life and just replaying it irl

[dusk patrol]

The issue I have is with others reasons for it

[bronze vigil]

You can say it’s kinda paradoxical in a way anyway

[dusk patrol]

Just don’t write those situations

But Sanguinius and Curze are supposed to be inverted views on what happens if you know how you’re gonna die

[green loom]

My opinion on most primarchs

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-ltg-tie-him-up-gif-11927923657429006938

[bronze vigil]

It’s the same with Horus seeing a vision of Terra worshipping the Emperor, it’s set in stone and a paradox of his later actions

[grave sparrow]

isn't it more a self fulfilling prophecy?

[dusk patrol]

Sorta yeah

[bronze vigil]

Not really a prophecy given nobody prophesied Horus will rebel tbh, maybe Magnus but he learned it, it didn’t come from a vision

[grave sparrow]

I mean more of the visions horus saw when he was in that chaos temple recovering, dude saw statues of all the loyalist primarchs and the emperor worshippin and whatnot

[bronze vigil]

Yup it’s just a vision of the real future, and it’s still going to happen anyway. There’s no such thing as alternate reality or “what if” in warhammer

Like where Horus stayed loyal, Big E shared his project to his sons etc. that don’t exist tbh

So what’s been shown, is what’s gonna happen

[grave sparrow]

I still gotta get through most of the HH novels so I'll take your word lol. I just keep hearing how the future sight stuff is never really 100% accurate.

[storm jungle]

Also warhammer

Time travels

https://tenor.com/view/time-travel-time-traveling-time-traveler-hulk-mark-ruffalo-gif-22954295

[grave sparrow]

Is it actual time travel or time dilation from warp travel

[storm jungle]

Yes.

[bronze vigil]

They can time travel but they can’t change what’s going to happen, because, might as well let Trazyn change the course of Warhammer 40k and let ‘em Necrons rule and troll Tzeentch for eternity

[grave sparrow]

Oooh, necron fuckery stuff

[queen laurel]

One of my favorite ork stories was when an ork warboss accidentally time traveled, he could have done a lot of good things for himself with this wonderful opportunity but instead he decided to kill himself to get two of his favorite gun

[median marsh]

[queen laurel]

makes me chuckle that one

[grave sparrow]

I forgot about that one lol

[storm jungle]

They can't because 40k wont usually break its own plot

its more writers being told "no" more than "they cant do this"

[crisp heath]

My "Warhammer what if" is "what if Sanguinius was just delusional and didn't actually see the future, and ended up dying after getting harold godwinson'd"

Wait no Godwinson was the one who got shot in the eye and then decapitated and then had his legs cut off

Which king was the one who won a battle, and then had his archers shoot into the sky as a sign of victory, and one them lodged right in his neck

[radiant lance]

There's that paradox story

Pharisene paradox I think?

And Ordo Chronos is a thing to investigate time shenanigans

[bronze vigil]

Yes that’s true but I guess for the sake of lore coherency they won’t do such stuff tbh. Itll be too convoluted.

[crisp heath]

I don't think 40k ever really set out how time travel works

[bronze vigil]

There’s some sort of paradox story as well in an alpha legion novella iirc

[radiant lance]

No one ever does because it's inherently illogical and fucks up cause and effect

[crisp heath]

You can easily go into the warp and end up in the past, but it's never explained clearly if this makes a new timeline, or if you can destroy the current universe with a paradox

[bronze vigil]

Well maybe later on but tbh the lore would be really weird and confusing/convoluted if anyone can time travel as much as they want or wherever and whenever they want to be

[crisp heath]

Oh please, theoretical time travel in fiction is super easy to explain

There's like 5 major models and a dozen more creative ones

[radiant lance]

Inverted moebius strip

Yeah there are 5 established tropes, but it's really not hard to start asking a bunch of questions and coming to paradoxes or contradictions

[bronze vigil]

They have to make it clear first if the chaos gods and daemons from 40k and WFB/AoS were the same or their alt selfs

[radiant lance]

Because again, time travel is inherently incompatible with causality

[crisp heath]

Eh I never believed in causality in the first place so I guess I'm just more open to it's plausibility in fiction

[median marsh]

time travel opens up a big can of worms so id rather it not be touched too much

[radiant lance]

How do you just not believe in causality?

What?

[crisp heath]

I think time is a spatial dimension that is constantly expanding according to specific rules that predetermine it's structure

[radiant lance]

It's a negative axis in our 4 D manifold

We live in hyperbolic spacetime

[crisp heath]

So that any "moment" can be predicted and measured whether or not it actually exists, and any "previous" moment exists continually

[radiant lance]

A continuous function implies smoothness between each point

You know

[crisp heath]

That is to say, I don't think cause leads to effect, but cause can be used to predict effect. Every event is causeless, because every event occurs in a distinct moment

[radiant lance]

Like cause and effect where things are linked

[bronze vigil]

Perhaps but well I think in Warhammer, stuff are already set in stone and they expand upon it, unless ofc it’s retconned

Causality is always been a strong narrative point in the Warhammer universes tbh. And the idea that stuff can never be changed and the story is set in stone- is always been a staple in the series as a whole. This only changes when GW themselves want to retcon tbh

[radiant lance]

All the seers and prophets and whatnot had to change all of their prophecies after Robot Gullman was revived

[crisp heath]

I think time travel just hasn't been explored enough to say how it works in warhammer, even though it definitely exists

[bronze vigil]

Only thing that changes stuff is GW themselves tbh

[radiant lance]

Retcons!

[bronze vigil]

Yup

AoS is a good example

[radiant lance]

"we predict the empire to die a slow death"
Rupert Goalyman: "no."

Tbh his revival was good for the story

[bronze vigil]

Not sure if GW wants to end 40k tbh so yeah I think 40k will be here for a very long time

[radiant lance]

It's their cash cow

[median marsh]

40k isnt ending for as long as cash is made

[radiant lance]

Gotta keep milking it

[median marsh]

end times didnt happen because gw wanted fantasy to end

[tulip brook]

they love to use it as cheap tool to advance the plot. "see, we predicted this horrific event happening in the middle of nowhere planet and that's why we showed up" chapters of bolter porn later: "ok, nothing changed"

[radiant lance]

Adeptus Primaris were made to force everyone to rebuy space marines

[earnest snow]

40k when it isn't ending its times

[bronze vigil]

I guess the end will come when all the primarchs return and Big E became a god or whatever and it’s time for the big battle against the forces of chaos and hostile xenos or whatever the biggest threat in the galaxy GW creates

[earnest snow]

I'm interested in 40k whether it ends or not

Like I'll still cherish certain parts of it

[radiant lance]

I'm interested in 40k to make fun of it

[earnest snow]

Just don't expect me to actually like bad stuff released

[crisp heath]

40k has always been their cashcow compared to the other settings, they aren't going to End Times it unless AoS really takes off

[radiant lance]

40k needs more man-sized rats

[bronze vigil]

Yup same, but well it’s Warhammer it’s full of plot armor, weird writing, and retcons anyway

[earnest snow]

yes

[crisp heath]

That said, I'd really like "Warhammer 50k" or something, like an even farther future setting after the Imperium collapses where they can put all the weird shit

[earnest snow]

I wanna see more alien species in the tau but idt we are gonna get much

[radiant lance]

Warhammer 69k when

[earnest snow]

Just gotta create your own I GUESS

[bronze vigil]

Maybe GW wants to spice things up a bit and bring the 5th chaos god to 40k, the big horned rat or whatever

[tulip brook]

another 20 years or sth the plot will move to 50k 😄

[crisp heath]

I wish the T'au could actually use the species they already have

You should be able to use at least some Guard models as Gue'vesa

[radiant lance]

Weaponize the greater good

Seriously. It's a warp diety now

Fucking use it for shits and giggles

[bronze vigil]

If they want the funny in warhammer 40k they should just add the man-sized rats in the galaxy

[crisp heath]

I understand why they don't

nobody really liked Skaven until Vermintide, and then they got huge

The fandom love for skaven is probably a fad tbh

[bronze vigil]

Well that’s why Warhammer going kinda mainstream is a good thing, now especially the 40k Amazon cinematic universe will be a thing

[radiant lance]

.

[earnest snow]

Rats, rats, rats destroy the imperium

[bronze vigil]

Bubonic Plague 2.0 Galactic Edition

[crisp heath]

I don't really want 40k skaven, I just want more 40k beastmen stuff

There should be Guard beastman minis

[earnest snow]

Anything to make more money

GW loves money

[bronze vigil]

Yup but I guess they would be only in the traitor side, given their current status

[bronze vigil]

Now I wonder what they will adapt to the big screen and small screen to bring in the real money like Disney

[radiant lance]

Where are our catgirl felinids

Imagine the money GW could make from catgirls

[bronze vigil]

Not sure, GW treats them like a myth

But tbh they should just show most of the abhumans in the lore more exposure given we will have a cinematic universe

[earnest snow]

GW are british and thus hate felinids

[bronze vigil]

You say that then 3 years later we see cat girl guardsmen in a 40k tv series fighting the tyranids or something

[earnest snow]

Thats cus it was taken outta their hands by the felinid mafia

[crisp heath]

I know the real reason felinids won't ever be shown in canon

Their homeworld is Carlos McConnell

I mean GW already had Drukhari exterminate all life on Birmingham because it was an embarassing name for a planet

They won't let Carlos slide

[earnest snow]

rip the dream

Felinids rise up and fight the xenos

[radiant lance]

And be cute catgirls

[bronze vigil]

I guess they’re just too rare so that’s why they don’t show up much in the lore. But they still exist in the current timeline, given they’re mentioned even in Darktide

[green loom]

They're mentioned in rogue trader too

[radiant lance]

We're really getting teased

[bronze vigil]

Now let’s see if GW will finally give them a proper appearance, with pics and all

[radiant lance]

Please. I just want some hope In this dark future

Where are my catgirl waifus

[bronze vigil]

Waifus with claws as long as a human forearm, they’re describing x-23

[radiant lance]

That just makes it better

[bronze vigil]

Or maybe left 4 dead’s witch who knows

[crisp heath]

hey this isn't a 40k lore question but people in my other servers are asleep and this is vitally important

Is Lightning McQueen differently abled?

he has no headlights or mirrors

[storm jungle]

[crisp heath]

Dilara I'm sorry you're afraid to address the hard issues of our world but you must recognize this is important

[storm jungle]

🏎️

[queen laurel]

Lore chat definitely going deeper into the well of eternal knowledge

[versed ledge]

I just got here, what did I miss?

[thick cedar]

i love old 40k shit

we still use basic street lights

[crystal forum]

it's the simple things that keep the 40th millenium close to home

[vagrant narwhal]

Asking a question on the behalf of a relative

is Bing Bong an lore accurate Ogryn Name

[queen laurel]

Yeah it is ogryn names can literally just be sounds like Thunk or Boom, but more complex names aren't that uncommon

[radiant lance]

Remember, the M1911 is still used

[storm jungle]

https://youtu.be/7-ToXrqFa5I

Hey look, uploaded just 3 minutes ago

[versed ledge]

Also the .50cal M2 browning HMG

[warm notch]

https://youtu.be/USqqWelU208

[versed ledge]

Even in the grimdark future of the 40k, a piece of old America still lives on to spew freedom in the form of .50cal armor piercing rounds

[warm notch]

What did Obese Megalodon mean by this?

[crystal forum]

burning heretics good

[mild rapids]

They clearly want us to BURN THE HERETICS

[versed ledge]

Merry Sanguinalia

[warm notch]

Merry Sanguinalia

[pale onyx]

Hey guys so with the lion books, there was a chaos boi who’s goal was to kill the god emperor on the throne so he can be reborn since he’s a immortal. But he was still powered by chaos. Wouldn’t the chaos gods pull the plug on the guy if his plan would actually work? Since if the god emperor is back in buisness, it’s not good at all for the chaos gods.

What I’m getting at is, doesn’t this prove the theory that if they were to let the god emperor die he would be reborn. Is false?

[coarse pumice]

Brat gang
Before they put in the gangs we know and love now

[green loom]

He's being manipulated by chaos

Like every other chaos champion with a plan

That or he's deluded

We dunno how it works or what'll happen

[pale onyx]

Yeah but why would the chaos gods risk the big E being reborn? They must know that if he dies it’ll be over for the emperor

[green loom]

They don't control the guy's delusions

They just steer him at most

They probably don't expect him to succeed either

[pale onyx]

True true. But if he was gonna succeed I’d imagine the gods smiting him to not risk the big E coming back

[versed ledge]

I just realized the dark eldar society, beyond the edgy, hellraiser, level of cruelty. it seems more like a twisted parody of corporate life

Always scheming, always backstabbing, and nonsensical decisions for the sake of ego

[tough haven]

Are there any good boos with ogryns as prominent characters? And not cassia, Ive read that one

[outer wave]

What was so bad about it?

[storm jungle]

Basically classic snyder

all visuals

all effects

all "hey this would look cool"

its basically if you let your average stupid 40k fan direct a movie and not know anything about plot/writing

[outer wave]

Lmao

Well, least it'll give artists and future movies inspiration, maybe

[storm jungle]

Yeah its very cool visually

[plush mason]

btw. the Cavil show is in production finally

[outer wave]

Yarp

[storm jungle]

Hopefully it ends up being some garbage like this

I wanna mock stuff

[scenic bolt]

it's dumb that like everything else in media as of late the discourse over rebel moon (pre-reviews) was was it woke or not

[storm jungle]

Those people can fuck off

lol

the moment a movie with a female lead is bad its "woke propaganda fail"

[scenic bolt]

like idk how there's that large of a self sustaining media ecosystem that perpetuates that

IM A TRUE INDEPENDENT THINKER NOT A SHEEPLE I FORM ALL MY OPINIONS FROM A 129k SUB YOUTUBER

[outer wave]

I want it to be good simply so more folks see 40k and it gets a bit more mainstream. Not that it hasnt been getting mainstream as of late, but you know what I mean. Plus it'd be nice to break the curse of 40k when it comes to movies and TV

[storm jungle]

Yeah to be honest its a win-win either way

If its bad you get to laugh at all the cavill simps raging

if its good you get to see 40k get some public recognition

[outer wave]

Yee true true

[scenic bolt]

cavill would want to put best foot forward he's too much of a fan, problem being is that he's not funding it, and the money wants what the money wants

GW wont exert as much control as they usually do on these projects, it's amazon

[outer wave]

Money wants money, therefore I will steal all the money of the world and see what happens to the population

[green loom]

Rebel Moon is funny

[scenic bolt]

also counterpoint, amazon's got an incredibly mixed bag on their shows

[green loom]

It's a rip off star wars

Since that's what it originally was

[plush mason]

not much given the fact the majority of the world's money is owned by like 1% of the population

[scenic bolt]

anyone remember the multibillion dollar money pit that was lord of the rings the TV show

[green loom]

But people see a few latin words and immediately go "OMG WH40K OMG OMG OMG"

[storm jungle]

^

also like

[green loom]

That had a number of things happening to it tbf

[storm jungle]

acting as if 40k has any originality at all

lmao

[green loom]

Like

[storm jungle]

literally just fantasy shit with a gothic flair

[green loom]

They were restricted to a small portion of the Silmarillion iirc

[outer wave]

Tbf I doubt many new 40k fans know of the inspirations/ripoffs

[scenic bolt]

the hard truth is 40k is basically a tv tropes fandom with effort

[green loom]

And also apparently it was more or less just an excuse to expand production facilities

[storm jungle]

When the first Dune movie came out there was morons asking if 40k inspired Dune and im like "BITCH PLEASE" 💀

[outer wave]

LMAO

[plush mason]

i wonder if Cavil will try to use high gothic as a spoken language

[outer wave]

He demands the actors to take latin lessons

[plush mason]

but high gothic isnt true latin

[storm jungle]

it is basically latin

[scenic bolt]

this is also why studios never like putting fans in charge of productions

[storm jungle]

also this

[scenic bolt]

denis villenueve had to hide his powerlevel so he wouldnt get chucked off his dune pitch

[green loom]

Cavill will probably not be a big part of production

He's just their PR face basically lol

[outer wave]

Yeah Id imagine itd be difficult to deal with a super fan director that demands their actors to do something really stupid and specifc just so its more authentic to the lore

[arctic talon]

We will never hear actual high gothic bcs GW are cowards

[green loom]

I imagine they'll grab some action writers and work with BL for a script, and we'll get a nice little mediocre action spiff with Cavill as lead actor

[plush mason]

afaik he has finally say over the whole thing but yeah outside of that he wont be very involved most likely

[arctic talon]

And haven’t decided if they want pseudo Latin

Or complete gibirish

[storm jungle]

yeah people extremely overplay Cavill as if hes gonna be a Kubrick behind this production

[plush mason]

yeah

[scenic bolt]

is cavill just a producer

[green loom]

He's never produced anything afaik and he's been in almost exclusively inoffensive/mid movies

[outer wave]

Honestly Id be horrified if he pulled a Kubrick

[plush mason]

he is the director i think

[green loom]

He's like, the "head" of the project

[outer wave]

He put his actors through hell for The Shining

[scenic bolt]

like a legit showrunner then?

[plush mason]

yeah

and the top one afaik

[scenic bolt]

that could be for better or worse

theyre the guys who pick everyone usually for tv

[green loom]

I won't say for worse

But probably not better either

[scenic bolt]

it's easy to pick people illsuited

[green loom]

The writing probably won't be an issue

I mean

It's a typical dystopia flick with fancy words

[outer wave]

It'll probably be servicable at worst

[versed ledge]

That's Cavill for you

[outer wave]

Contract might have him locked in, unless he doesnt give a shit by that point

[green loom]

What lore will it take a shit on

[scenic bolt]

it's easy to fall into bad writing with something like 40k, you might end up with a The Last of Us which handles how to explain a tie-in product thoughtfully without being boring or a loredump. Or you could end up in a Halo situation

[green loom]

Besides the steaming pile that's already there

[versed ledge]

Maybe the space marines, but if it's the grey Knight, now that's funny

[green loom]

Yeah but problem is, we won't really get a halo here, since making your own little mini setting in the setting is entirely feasible

[scenic bolt]

not 1:1 on that point it was towards bad writing exclusively

[green loom]

And I don't think that's really comparable since that show's writers wanted to make their own scifi show so just hijacked halo

I don't think the themes will be an issue at all

It might just be a shitty story but that's barely new for 40k

[versed ledge]

Geez, Hollywood ruined Halo

[scenic bolt]

it's easy to be a bad writer for visual media, people like to talk up dan abnett but he did script the pretty bad ultramarines movie

[versed ledge]

It's like the writers never even touched the source material

[green loom]

Because they didn't

Did you not read what I said

[outer wave]

That Halo show is so fascinating

[green loom]

Yeah tbh

[versed ledge]

Nope, watching Korean Netflix shows that might become the death of Hollywood

[outer wave]

How do you do the franchise such injustice and then go "Yeah I didnt read or play the games, we didnt need to lmao"

[versed ledge]

I have no idea, my question is why is Hollywood so incompetent?

[green loom]

They're not, they just don't care and want to sell you a product you'll buy anyway

[outer wave]

||Pirate it then give the show a bad review||

[scenic bolt]

because it falls into two traps of business brain 1) hate risk play safe 2) shovel in more money, get more money back

[versed ledge]

It's not a risk if they did some RESEARCH

[green loom]

It's always a risk

[outer wave]

Video game movies historically didnt do well for a while

[green loom]

Especially when the people risking things are entirely ignorant outsiders with a lot of money

[outer wave]

id imagine they were thinking about that era

[scenic bolt]

and that's why focus groups suck balls

[green loom]

They don't care what they're investing it, they'll just drop a fat pile and say "Fuck you give me money"

[versed ledge]

Except Blizzard rocked it with the WoW movie

[outer wave]

I recall hearing that movie was okay

[versed ledge]

Fire them and replace them

[green loom]

They're the ones doing the firing

[versed ledge]

Focus groups?

[storm jungle]

https://fxtwitter.com/Sughammer/status/1738559327198204119?t=3lt3F0ucPMV4X10WZvEBBA&s=19

[outer wave]

LMAO

[versed ledge]

Normies are a special breed of stupid aren't they

[green loom]

Save the budget commissar and daemon lady it gives off nice enough vibes

[outer wave]

I like the BDSM stripper demon woman alien in the top right image, and the guy goes "40K REFERENDUM!!?!?"

[versed ledge]

They nailed the darmonette, the Commissar could really use some work

[green loom]

That's not what either of those are

It's not a 40k production

[versed ledge]

Say what....

[green loom]

That's Rebel Moon

[outer wave]

Its Rebel Moon

[green loom]

Snyder's new movie

Was originally a star wars idea he had iirc

[versed ledge]

Someone's been playing 40k then

[green loom]

Not really

This is like

Pretty bog standard lol

Which is what 40k is

Just fairly basic "Evil fascist empire" imagery

[scenic bolt]

no one ever wore a black peaked cap while wearing a trenchcoat before 40k

[green loom]

Fr

[dusk patrol]

Allegedly it’s more just some aesthetics than actually being like 40k

It’s more just Star Wars

[storm jungle]

^

40k fans also like

think the world evolves around their setting

it doesnt

[outer wave]

40k fans when they see a church

[dusk patrol]

Which I mean it was a script he pitched for SW so

[green loom]

"OMG MECHANICAS MILITARUM!!!! 40k!!!!"
"Oh you mean the droid army"

[storm jungle]

LMAO

nice one

[green loom]

Like did no one else catch that?

[storm jungle]

You genuinely expect too much from 40k fans

[outer wave]

"Oh my freaking God, this is like me freaking 40k."

[green loom]

"THEY SAID IMPERIUM"

[storm jungle]

DUNE MOMENT

[storm jungle]

"GUYS IM GONNA 40-KAYYYYY AUGHHHHHHH-"

[versed ledge]

Normal church: 💤
church with guns and treads: 40k fans go poggers

[outer wave]

"Ouuughhh... guys Im gonng Kruub....."

[green loom]

It's like how a sizeable portion of people mass post 40k AI content

[outer wave]

God thats so cringe

Unironically

[green loom]

"OMG GUYS, THIS IS A SOLDIER, IN GREEN, MFKN ASTRA WHATNOW??? THIS IS THE GUARD SON!"

[scenic bolt]

40k fans deserved AI (disparagingly)

[green loom]

You can't forget to add in the random uneccessary meme reference probably older than the user posting

[outer wave]

I cant tell if we're being incredibly stuck up or reasonably so

[crisp heath]

People are sleeping on the one thing I've read recently that was actually 40k inspired, but also called me obsessive for pointing out it was very 40k

[green loom]

I'm being kinda petty but also it's deserved

[crisp heath]

You know, it has a giant man named "Primhark" who fathers a family of noble warriors

But I'm just reading too much into it

[green loom]

Because these are probably the same people that would harass someone for painting a pride flag on their marine

[versed ledge]

Unless said marine is a Slaaneshi marine

Then it would be lore accurate

[green loom]

[versed ledge]

Oh shit that's cursed

[outer wave]

Unironically, I would splash rainbow colors on a Noise Marine in a mis-mashed pattern

[versed ledge]

Just please thin your paints

[crisp heath]

Honestly Yeah I can see aggressive pride kriegers pretty easily

[green loom]

Rumours suggest the average krieg fan convulses at the sight of this image

[outer wave]

Im gonna do it as thickly as possible

[green loom]

If you'll excuse me I have servers to post this in

[scenic bolt]

it has happened several times I've posted this exact image

[outer wave]

Tell me if anyone malds

[dusk patrol]

Tbf that coat color does not go with his helmet at all

[outer wave]

Please

[green loom]

it's inevitable lol

I won't actually since most of the servers I'm in are cool

[scenic bolt]

spread the pride flag krieger

[green loom]

But I've already seen someone complain that Amazon will make 40k "Woke"

[scenic bolt]

good

they should

[arctic talon]

that pride flag would take a fuck ton of detail work lol

[scenic bolt]

you can just use decals

[dusk patrol]

They shouldn’t, but what people consider woke is generally stuff which is already in 40k

[arctic talon]

I forgor decals exist

[arctic talon]

also

[outer wave]

I mean, how much more woke could they make 40k? There's confirmed gay characters in lore, including Yarrick

[dusk patrol]

Like people bringing up “lack of good female characters in 40k” when literally the entire history of BL is littered with them

[green loom]

There's alternative pronouns and trans chars too

[crisp heath]

Why would you put the pride flag on his bag, the kriegers medals all together have exactly 7 stripes

[outer wave]

Yuh its weird

[versed ledge]

https://youtu.be/JCEThKnoVNU?si=hYIMyGB7HEczCEkD

[crisp heath]

GW wanted this

[versed ledge]

Or 40k turn into this

Make it moe and kawaii to market to Japan

[green loom]

But don't let Brother Gertz hear that, he'll start posting Flashgitz videos calling you a heretic

[dusk patrol]

The real offense is that purple looks terrible on him smh, and it’s way too clean.

[arctic talon]

could do with a richer one

tbh

[crisp heath]

Duds the Nichijou cast would be an order of magnitude more dangerous than anything in 40k

[arctic talon]

Krieg coats don't take well to bright colors Unlike cadian flak

[green loom]

Just watch I'll do a Celestial Fang and draw Femboy krieg just to make reddit mald

[dusk patrol]

Reddit won’t mald, that’s preaching to the choir

[arctic talon]

real

[green loom]

They seem to harass people enough due to it

[dusk patrol]

Post it on some other forum

[arctic talon]

4chan

[green loom]

Twitter is pretty volatile rn

[scenic bolt]

idk if it's still enforced but posting some flashgitz videos was timeout

[green loom]

I'll do it there

[arctic talon]

its twitter

of course its volatile

[crisp heath]

Reminder that Sororitas mostly look great in trans colors

[dusk patrol]

Twitter is itself

[outer wave]

True, one of them can just pull a gun out of no where and shoot whoever she needs to

And one of them cant die from said girl shooting him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzEizFNUmCk

[scenic bolt]

TOTALLY ORIGINAL ORK BELIEF MAKES THING HAPPEN MEME

[green loom]

It's getting worse

[crisp heath]

Putting Hakase in the 41 millennium would just make her feel justified in unleashing the sick, perverted desires in her black heart

[dusk patrol]

Wtf are we bringing this weeb shit into my good 40k server

Smh

[outer wave]

WHOA!!!!!

[arctic talon]

[dusk patrol]

Cease

[scenic bolt]

we had an anime channel

[outer wave]

https://tenor.com/view/touhou-gif-22528298

[dusk patrol]

Too many animes

We need to get rid of them

Cull the herd

They’re overpopulating

[green loom]

Weeb stuff???
Heresy? Heresy? Heresy? Heresy? Heresy?

[dusk patrol]

I can accept genocide and crimes against humanity, but I draw the line at weeb shit

Also this is the Rogue Trader CRPG channel smh guys please stay on topic

[green loom]

Dude, you can't believe what they did in this Darktide game

They have women

Fkn woke bs

Smh

I can't wait for someone to come in and unironically agree with this

[scenic bolt]

the above statement at one point was like 33% of this discords active chat

[dusk patrol]

Women

🍵

[outer wave]

It was like 50% of the steam forum topics

[crisp heath]

The cat has claimed another Necron

[scenic bolt]

the other percentage was people complaining about no space marines

[outer wave]

It was awful

[green loom]

It's probaby still here just isolated to #general-chat

[dusk patrol]

People who don’t read a single 40k book often have bad takes on 40k lore shockingly

[scenic bolt]

I still got that collage saved somewhere

[dusk patrol]

Like I had someone say there’s no enough women in 40k

Like mfer

[green loom]

And very aggressive takes too

[dusk patrol]

Read a fucking book

They’re everywhere

[outer wave]

God please show it I need to see it again

[dusk patrol]

And it’s been that way since Black Library existed

[green loom]

I saw someone complaining for like 3 days straight about some marine stuff

[scenic bolt]

(dont mention to them that fully a third of the first imperial guard squad models were women)

[green loom]

Then someone asked them what they read

[dusk patrol]

The heresy series basically every non marine and primarch major character is a woman

[green loom]

Nothing

no models

got into the fandom 3 weeks ago

[scenic bolt]

thats one of em

[green loom]

"I watched a Majorkill video and have been listening to Archcast at work 🤓"

[scenic bolt]

gotta dig for the other

[dusk patrol]

“Guys why is there not this thing?!”

“There is.”

“Well GW isn’t doing a good enough job with it.”

“What do you have to base that off?”

“I watched a YouTube video.”

Every time

[arctic talon]

Steam forums

[outer wave]

Tbf I only got into 40k thanks to the wiki and just obsessing about it from there

[green loom]

Same

[dusk patrol]

“Guys I hate newcrons.”

“How old are you.”

“I was born 5 years after Newcrons became a thing.”

[green loom]

I only got my first models like 3 months ag o

It's not really a big thing to not have them

it just adds to it

[arctic talon]

and thats fine

[green loom]

When you have horrible takes ykno?

[sacred ginkgo]

Can’t read any of that but it makes me sad

[arctic talon]

only thing I dislike is when people try speaking from a position of authority over something they A. weren't around for or B. have no knowledge of

[green loom]

Like there's people roaming around who've read nothing, collect nothing, and play nothing related to the setting, they just watch some youtube videos sometimes

[arctic talon]

(this happens a lot)

[dusk patrol]

I don’t mind people being wrong so much as people like stubborning stick to their wrong take with no evidence or backing

[arctic talon]

fr

[scenic bolt]

GW makes a business decision
"We have to boycott them!"
boycott lasts 19 days

[green loom]

Sales increased

[scenic bolt]

all the people that said 40k is dead, battletech is the new golden land that lasted less than a month

[arctic talon]

8e killed 40k
40k literally on deaths door during 7e

[crisp heath]

I like to build and paint guardsmen until they're as perfect as I can make them and then I put them in my mouth and chew the up because the texture is amazing and it makes me feel an evil giant and like people are made out of potato chips

[scenic bolt]

7e was bad

[arctic talon]

Battletech is good tbh

but people who had 0 interest in it claiming it as a "golden savior"

were weird as shit lol

[outer wave]

I also would like Battletech to go into a new golden age tbh

[green loom]

"Why'd they kill fantasy? Fantasy was awesome!!! I played it once when I was 5 with my cousin Rupert"

[scenic bolt]

the problem with it wass very few 40k fans play tabletop, and battletech is mostly tabletop by comparison in terms of its media output

[green loom]

I straight up don't like the tabletop much

Save kill team

[outer wave]

I just dont follow the tabletop much

[green loom]

But I've at least played it

[arctic talon]

Killteam is prolly GW's best system rn

[scenic bolt]

kill team was the best decision gw made in a long time

[arctic talon]

or Warcry

GW is weirdly good at making smaller scale skirmish stuff

[green loom]

I've heard better things about Warcry tbh

[arctic talon]

compared to 40k

and AoS

AoS is also pretty good rn

[scenic bolt]

especially compared to 10th

[green loom]

I think if I had a local store I'd be more into the TTop

Since that in person aspect is a big factor

But I'm stuck with painting

[storm jungle]

Holy shit that is ancient lmao

[scenic bolt]

local stores are difficult to keep running online sales being online sales

[green loom]

Easier depending where you're at, for me it's online only save if I go to the capital

[scenic bolt]

doesnt help that to host playspace you need lots of floorspace which translates to higher rent which takes away from display space

[scenic bolt]

keeper of lore

the save date on that was like march of 21 but I know it's older than that

[green loom]

I only knew of one person from here before launch, it's how I realized there was even a discord

Apparently they got banned though

Or muted idr

[scenic bolt]

that dead period of game announcement to date pushback was actually some of the best time in this discord

like maybe 1 ban a week

[green loom]

When I joined I remember sitting in General for like a week before realizing Libarium was the tolerable part

God that was nightmarish

They should make a bot that ban's anyone who talks in general

[scenic bolt]

we had an arms and armor channel as a containment channel from all the times people posted images of landsknecht

[scenic bolt]

unironically yes

[green loom]

It's like a broken record lol

Like most of the 40k reddits

[scenic bolt]

granted, doesnt help that discords search function is functionally awful

but sometimes I see the same question being asked when it was already asked and answered like 2 posts above

[green loom]

At the very least

Meme chat is finally gone

Anything good posted in meme chat now just finds it's way to pics and vids

So nothing of value was lost

[scenic bolt]

yea, memechat was a wastedump

[green loom]

Strangely, most of the bad 40k stereotypes we discussed earlier always found their way there

Wonder if there's a correlation

[scenic bolt]

I know that a lot of the exiles from here attempted to setup shop in the modding discord to mixed results

like darcy got banned there a couple months ago for pulling the same stuff

[green loom]

What did they get banned for

[scenic bolt]

the short of it is trollbaiting

[green loom]

Ah

[scenic bolt]

for like 9 months solid

and I think also being incredibly combative to specific playtesters

[green loom]

The meme chat regular reactions were funny

[scenic bolt]

yea I caught a couple of them migrate to modding but not all of them stayed

[green loom]

They're probably reposting reddit memes from 15 years ago somewhere else now

[scenic bolt]

thus is the 40k fandom

[green loom]

We can only pray that the unfortunate souls find their way out of the shallow quicksand that is 40k memedom

[shadow plover]

probably some godawful demotivational posters as well

gaze upon this horror

[scenic bolt]

god forgot how ancient demotivational posters are

[arctic talon]

get me out of 2010 Hot Topic bro

[green loom]

They do these with AI stuff now

[shadow plover]

of course the ai bros are that unoriginal

[scenic bolt]

multiple forms of lazy

[shadow plover]

these are so bad

[green loom]

Look at the source lol

"DIY.DESPAIR"

[arctic talon]

I wonder how many people in 40k are younger then these guys lol

[shadow plover]

[scenic bolt]

you can use the image generator watermark as a form of carbon dating for those kinds of memes

[green loom]

When'd they come out

[arctic talon]

2006

[green loom]

Ok I'm safe

[arctic talon]

prolly one of the best kits made during that year

arguably

still hold up to the modern guardians really well

eldar in general got some really nice minis in 2006

considering we got stuff like this the same year lol

[shadow plover]

the vets are pretty decent

still pretty squat as all marines were

[arctic talon]

The paint scheme def doesn't do them any favours but their details are a bit weird imo

2006 was pretty varaible in quality of sculpts tbh

[shadow plover]

4th edition also had the very cool terminator chaplain

and this bad boy

[spring cairn]

ah yes

i'm in a giant walker but my head with only be protected by an infantry helmet

and nothing else

[shadow plover]

pretty sure the 'helmets' you see on dreads are not the actual heads of the pilots rather than servos to help orientate the entombed pilot better to their surroundings

same thing with contemptors and leviathans

[spring cairn]

hmm

i'd need confirmation for this

never forget the grey knight baby carrier

or the sob one, even if it looks cooler

[shadow plover]

fair but that's a whole different thing, just something for a marine to get onto and leave if necessary

[spring cairn]

blerh

[shadow plover]

can't find a concrete source quickly but it was one of the heresy books that I got it from

[spring cairn]

to be clear

i'd love you to be right because it would make these dreads not stupid

but grimdumb is real

[arctic talon]

I do have evidence on the mini itself in that the head is way too fucking big

like that head will not fit on a marine and vice versa

its most likely just decoration

[shadow plover]

yeah the heads are very large on the models

[spring cairn]

can mini proportions be trusted tho

[shadow plover]

not entirely no

and these are just reddit comments but I remember listening the same tidbits from some of the books

[arctic talon]

not really lol

[crisp heath]

Newer minis are bit more realistically proportioned, but traditionally 40k minis were in "heroic scale" which was basically making hands, faces, and feet extremely oversized

Basically just treating the torso as a vehicle for limbs

[spring cairn]

yeah i know

i have some fantasy dwarfs

[fervent idol]

you know what they say about people with big hands & feet

[green loom]

Alright

I kinda wish the inquisition would actually antagonize you a bit more

In RT

[plush mason]

wtf is that

[storm jungle]

its a Sentinel

[plush mason]

lol

[green loom]

I'm

Not sure this is intended

[crisp heath]

Explain the problem for the ignorant, sir?

[green loom]

A completely unrelated ability is taking off over half my Officer's wounds

[crisp heath]

Ahhh

Thought that was an in-game effect from enemy units

Yea that's crazy

[lime edge]

You know something I've actually quite enjoyed about the Warhammer books is the sheer fact their just good ol' escapist stuff. Its quite enjoyable to be put into the shoes of Gaunt or the massive power armored boots or a space marine or the armor of faith of the sisters of battle. I recall reading some strange article from some gaming news site about how darktide and rouge trader are more a Satirical and Allegorical and thus better warhammer games. I frankly just enjoy getting lost in a world with out having to be slammed over the head with messages and issues of the current day. I worry a bit that gaming and literary journalists have long forgotten the greats joys of simply leaving the real world for a bit to recharge in made up worlds far away.

[arctic talon]

Darktide is more so a satire of hostile working environments and the imperium being a shithole

Which is sort of a given

Most games and stories have some sort of moral or point to them

[lime edge]

Its very intended don't get me wrong but I feel like its less of them trying to go out of their way to shove into your face and more just like...Yeah hives suck! It be weird map desgin if it was a bit cheery

[arctic talon]

I think it’s silly to pretend that they don’t exist

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah it’s woven into the game well

That’s what makes it a good allegory/message

You dig a little deeper to see it

[fervent idol]

The moral of Darktide is even guardsmen can have a game

[arctic talon]

Lol

[verbal path]

It's very effective suppressing fire that hit you.

[storm jungle]

Yeah also reminder 40k is still satire

[arctic talon]

Tbh it’s much less in your face with it

[storm jungle]

the Imperium is a cautionary tale of not to be a racist xenophone lol

[arctic talon]

Which makes it better imo

[storm jungle]

Yeah the message is also very simple

Don't be a fascist

[arctic talon]

Don’t be evil

[storm jungle]

Or that too

[arctic talon]

You should not lobotomize people

Do not turn a person into an art display

[green loom]

Idk my servitor isn't complaining

[storm jungle]

yeah warhammer has always been political, its just not in your face (usually)

[lime edge]

See thats what I agree with??? Like its a simple over all message about how power and evil and unchecked both of those utterly rot stuff. I think I mean it more as in 40k Is not trying to constantly shove "This person in this book is one to one this person IRL" Or making fun of poltical jazz

[verbal path]

Noooo!!! The Imperiun isn't a fascist satire and I support it's themes! Also why are people not liking my aquila tattoo.

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

Yeah 40k does not mock IRL political figures anymore

that was more of Rogue Trader's thing

also its way too risky lol

[green loom]

Man Yrilet's been giving me a lot of grief today

[verbal path]

She's been giving me grief by missing 95% shots

[green loom]

She's been making my life hell by forcing herself into the party and making me lose 1 comp

[storm jungle]

get owned

[green loom]

I had to kill the Act 3 boss with 5 people

[verbal path]

Also, Idira's got one more daemon spawning via Perils before I hand her off to the Inquisition

[lime edge]

Also I do think there is a bit of a diffrent between allegory and having themes or just a point? Allegory of a point would be "This is why you don't do X poltical thingy look how evil it is!" to kinda drag poor Lord of the rings into this that book has points about friendship and the abuse of power (among many others) but not really in a way thats its ment to be overly forced onto the reader

[radiant lance]

Doesn't melk insult us by saying we lack ambition?

[verbal path]

Unsanctioned Psyker trait really biting me in the ass with her perils

[storm jungle]

That literally has nothing to do with what I posted

[storm jungle]

To be fair in Tolkien's case guy is a literal professor

in 40k's case it was founded by british punks that hated Thatcher

[arctic talon]

He’s a noble, he gets different rules

What’s acceptable for the common person to do

[lime edge]

Actually fair point, While I find 40k a fun read. Its like taking a teenagers 1st book to well, Tolkien lol (edit for context sake. Still does not mean having an point and allegory are the same thing)

[arctic talon]

And a noble are far different

[storm jungle]

Yeah 40k is purposefully over the top

[radiant lance]

I'm just saying but if ambition is the words of a heretic, and Melk says we don't have any and are trash, I think he looks up to ambition

[storm jungle]

remember that at the beginning of every book the Imperium is said to be horrible

yet nobody gets this and still thinks they are good people lol

[storm jungle]

Imperium hypocrisy

[radiant lance]

Is Roberto Gillman a good person?

[verbal path]

Ambition isn't for the dregs of society

[storm jungle]

He thinks of the people but hes still a mass-murdering warlord

[lime edge]

I feel like the Imperium just gets the rule of cool pass along with their being no good guys in 40k. Nobody in their sane mind would ever want to live in 40k

[green loom]

Was Mussolini a good person?

[storm jungle]

You'd be surprised lol

[radiant lance]

Yeah but what's a little mass murder here and there

[verbal path]

He's good relative to the Imperium.

A little mass murder, as a treat

[storm jungle]

Roboute's first words when he waked up was "Man id rather die"

[verbal path]

Omg same

[arctic talon]

Pretty much

[radiant lance]

"just fucking kill me again'

[arctic talon]

Still evil by irl standards

A decent one by 40K ones

[verbal path]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-wake-up-wakey-wakey-awaken-gif-26734899

This is Roboute waking up

And seeing wtf happened to the Imperium

[verbal path]

Ya, almost no 40k character is good by IRL standards

[crisp heath]

Hey!!!

I resent that statement!!!

[lime edge]

I feel like maybe Gaunt would maybe slimmly slide past that which is really weird seeing as he is a commissar

[crisp heath]

Both Sangy and Vulkan were decent dudes

[verbal path]

Vulkan "Kill the Eldar children" Lastname

[green loom]

sanguinius "There will be no one spared" Lastname

[radiant lance]

Space

After their father, Jimmy Space

[crisp heath]

And you've also got all the named Commisar's, like... yea. They ain't perfect. But neither is anybody in today's military. And like... Snaguinius's "no one spared" is like... the best out of all the primarchs. At least you know it will be quick, efficient, and as merciful as they can do it. And if in not mistaken he's only done that a few times when his foresight told him it wasn't a good idea to let things fester.

[green loom]

He blew up an entire civilization because they said no to surrendering

[crisp heath]

@verbal path I mean... they're in a war dude, against aliens. The idea they'd have mercy on children is naive. We don't even have that mercy in today's world against our own species

[green loom]

Like he didn't make them surrender, he killed them all

[crisp heath]

@green loom so did almost every other primarch

[fervent idol]

wasn't that Horus & the Interex

[brisk vine]

Queue people saying Conrad Kurze was actually super merciful because the terror he instilled totally saved lives

totally

100%

[crisp heath]

It was kind of their orders

[green loom]

This happened many times

Their orders were to make worlds compliant

[fervent idol]

Kurze players:

[green loom]

Sangy was refused by a human civ
Instead of subjugating them
He just killed them all

[crisp heath]

And if that could not happen, make the world dissappear

He wasn't the only one to do that though

[dusk patrol]

Find you a man who can do both

[crisp heath]

Literally all the primarchs have a story like that somewhere

[dusk patrol]

Reformer in the streets, and a tyrant in the sheets.

[green loom]

Yeah they're all horrible monsters

[dusk patrol]

[lime edge]

The primarchs all have the "So I just started blasting" story

[fervent idol]

[verbal path]

Point is, by IRL standards 40k people are terrible

Except me.

I'm cool and based.

[lime edge]

We all know the real good guys of 40k the orks. They work together (kinda) kill everybody together (when they are not killing each other) have dreams and goals. They kill every other race equally too!

[verbal path]

The real good guys are just the Nids

Just some silly little guys who are hungry.

I can relate

[lime edge]

they got the munchies

[crisp heath]

Lol again. I'd say most are. But not all. There are good people in the Imperium. Commisar Cain and Yarrick are both known for being caring to their subordinates, and again, despite yes the early genocides of the Great Crusade, Sangy and Vulkan are by far the most "good" inclined primarchs.

[verbal path]

Early genocides? When'd they stop?

[dusk patrol]

Cain and Yarrick are not good people.

Especially Yarrick.

[lime edge]

I also feel like it goes with out saying while the people of 40k are often silly/sillyly evil. There is actual chaos dieties that want to take your soul, Weirdo goth elves, orks that want to beat you up, bugs with the munchies and actual demons. Its not like any empire in 40k could stay good by IRL standards for long but thats also kinda the point of the girm darkness

[dusk patrol]

Cain is better but he's definitely not good.

[lime edge]

Guant is still the best (?)

[crisp heath]

When the great Crusade ended. After that point, there were far fewer genocides as the Imperium had other issues to deal with aside from conquest

[dusk patrol]

Probably

[crisp heath]

@dusk patrol explain how Cain isn't a good person? A bit of a coward maybe, but a decent guy

[lime edge]

He actually really got pissed when they backed stabbed the people of a world, also wanted to save that world just since it was right thing to do.

[dusk patrol]

If you look up the excerpt of him talking to the deserter.

And just talking about xenos and mutants in general.

He's better than most

[verbal path]

Exactly, everyone is evil.

[crisp heath]

Lol again... they are in a fucking war

[dusk patrol]

But I wouldn't call him a good person.

[dusk patrol]

He still views them as subhuman.

[crisp heath]

He's not gonna be nice to a deserter, nor to the aliens he's fighting

[dusk patrol]

Like I get why he is why he is

[verbal path]

Relative to the setting, sure there's plenty of good ish people

[crisp heath]

Because they are lol

[dusk patrol]

But he's not a good person.

[lime edge]

Also the mutants as far as abhumans is to dislike evil, Xenos it depends as dark elder are like...bad and should be hated lol

[dusk patrol]

He's better than a lot.

But he's not good.

[crisp heath]

They literally are subhuman, as they aren't even human to begin with

[dusk patrol]

Subhuman means they are less than human, as in, not worth a human, not worth considering their life.

And you know that

We're all aware of what it means to call someone subhuman.

[crisp heath]

Lol yall mofos the type to fight for alien rights on Independence Day with the mothership over head shooting lasers at you

[dusk patrol]

I'm not blaming him.

But he's not a good person.

[crisp heath]

@dusk patrol and yes, that's exactly what they are. They are in a war against completely seperate species... their lives don't matter

He is if you are human

[verbal path]

Remember when I said by IRL standards. Committing genocide on people for disagreeing with you isn't that accepted today

[dusk patrol]

That's kinda my point.

[lime edge]

I always feel like the really really deep debate of life gets really muddy when their is other races that are utterly split off from humans in every sense. Not saying this in an agreeing way to anybody. But like an ork brain is so diffrent than a human that its not one? Not sayings its subhuman its just like not able to be to be lumped in as humans

[dusk patrol]

I can understand why he is who he is and still think he's not a good person ultimately.

[fervent idol]

I think the right word is Abhuman

[crisp heath]

What about if a completely seperate species came and disagreed with us on land rights? What then

No genocide then?

[dusk patrol]

I don't think it justifies genocide.

[fervent idol]

are we talking about genocide?

[lime edge]

I also feel like there is a diffrence between like nuking nids and orks and like blowing up and elder ship

[dusk patrol]

Like if China invaded the United States I wouldn't consider that suddenly meaning we can wipe china off the globe and it be ok.

[lime edge]

Granted china is made up of humans. Not magic space bugs or magic space fungi orks

[fervent idol]

imagine a world without "made in china"

[dusk patrol]

I don't think the Tau are moral either.

[livid bloom]

Chad word bearers

[verbal path]

By 40k standards, there's plenty of good-ish folk

[lime edge]

Are the dwarves good?

[dusk patrol]

We're not talking about Orks and Nids though.

[mellow anchor]

Based and wordbearer pilled

[crisp heath]

based and delusionpilled

[dusk patrol]

Orks and Nids are a different deal.

[crisp heath]

@lime edge there's not though. It's just like being in a war on multiple fronts. Aside from knowing what units you'll be encountering, who they are or what they stand for doesn't matter