40k-lore-chat

[rose thorn]

kinda

trench warfare masochists

they think they are born sinful and can only be redeemed in death

[storm jungle]

WW1 trench warfare and atonement because their planet tried to rebel from the Imperium for entirely sensible reasons but the loyalists nuked the planet to deny them their victory.

Now every Krieg-Person™️ joins the guard to atone for the sins of their ancestors.

They are mainly a parody/satire of the dumb waste of life within WW1

[rose thorn]

they are suprisingly french too

which is why i like them

[green loom]

The penitence is their main trait

They're willing to do anything so long as the death is glorious/advances a cause

If they die in vain it's shameful

(they die in vain a lot)

[rigid dune]

So why do you want them on the field? For the trenches? From what I am hearing is that they seem like a major morale loss to others when they just throw themselfs into the moshpits with no regard for thier own lifes

[rose thorn]

yea sounds right

everyone but krieg hates krieg

[storm jungle]

We literally just said trenches yes

anyway their main appeal is people like soldiers with gasmasks

[rose thorn]

i wonder how brood brothers krieg would do

[scenic bolt]

The world if we got plastic tallarn and elysians rather than krieg

[rose thorn]

fr

[green loom]

I'd betray Kriegers in a heart beat

[brisk vine]

We need plastic esoteric regiments

[scenic bolt]

absolutely astounding minecraft players

[rose thorn]

FR

[rigid dune]

Okay I got it thanks. Tho ngl, they sound like a meme regiment.

Imagine being a "normal" ass mf out there, then the kreig boys show up in thier gimpmasks just to off themself to the big scary alien bug. "Ohh no mr alien bug please dont eat me and my plump asschecks"

[rose thorn]

theres like 3 types of krieg fans

That
history nerds
and people banned from warhammer events

[storm jungle]

^

[rose thorn]

should i convert my krieg to gsc?

i have the bits

anf the green stuff

but do i have the will?

and like a general idea

besides a head swap

[green loom]

Make valhallans

[rose thorn]

its either tallarn, brood brothers, or uhhh idk

crazy how gsc have the litearl best head sclups

i need to finihs my ork commandos first tho

[dense salmon]

kind of insane darktide wasn't nominated for best soundtrack

[green loom]

Not really

I mean the soundtrack is great but that shit's rigged and people also have shit taste

[dense salmon]

i agree

that people would nominate the last of us part 2 over darktide is a little nutty to me

even if you drop any opinions you have about loup2

who's really talking about that game's soundtrack of all things?

oh it's part 1

my point still stands though

there are a million things to talk about in terms of tlou before you get to the soundtrack

[green loom]

The soundtracks for most big games typically are just glorified ambience

[dense salmon]

agreed

they aren't bad but they're not really noteworthy either

it's like when you find out hanz zimmer did the score to a movie you like

good music, but you aren't telling your friends about how good the soundtrack of dune is

jesper kyd definitely deserves some recognition

[green loom]

The actual test is if you listen to it outside the game

[dense salmon]

true

i'm surprised ror2 wasn't in the finalists either

but pizza tower and hi-fi rush deserve the slots

[green loom]

Hifi rush isn't surprising, isn't it built around following a beat/music?

[dense salmon]

yeah

if you play it and like it i recommend no straight roads as well

[green loom]

I'm really liking the Rogue Trader soundtrack also

Fkn about to escape and THIS comes on

[dense salmon]

i'm thinking about buying it still

[green loom]

https://youtu.be/7aakdKZUcuE?si=4e23oPovUI4l7slc

[dense salmon]

holy shit

[green loom]

It takes the whole industrial thing 40k's developed for itself, and dumps a guitar riff ontop

[dense salmon]

this reminds me a lot of incubus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aARCVriIXFE&ab_channel=Narukamy

like this

[green loom]

https://youtu.be/4EBuYeICs-U?si=n5TfoEDusSUFFyIK

I love how the Organ has just become iconic for 40k stuff lol

[dense salmon]

anything that mixes industrial, metal, and church organ suits 40k so well

i think the nerdiest shit i do with 40k is listen to symphony x and imagine prospero

[sacred ginkgo]

Rogue Traders music goes unreasonably hard for a turnbased crpg

[dense salmon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc62kCsDT9M&ab_channel=Yuvalboo

[green loom]

Wrath also went pretty damn hard

https://youtu.be/h9W0oC87zCI?si=DJGtZl9Napeacon8

This soundtrack stuck with me since I first heard it after Baphomet appeared entirely randomly to fight my party

[dense salmon]

keygen church did some music for ultrakill that could fit 40k very well

[green loom]

You know what has some weird songs?

[storm jungle]

Genuinely insane how true this sentence is lmao

[green loom]

EVE online had an in house band for a bit

[dense salmon]

halo 2 had steve fucking vai

is one of the craziest gaming facts i know

[green loom]

https://youtu.be/IgtF1H0JUCQ?si=WZtRwilU-wCCs-NL

[dense salmon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Mf1b98hseM&ab_channel=KEYGENCHURCH

[green loom]

Warhammer soundtracks just
Rarely miss too hard

[dense salmon]

anyways this is the song i'm talking about

[storm jungle]

will say tho I love Rogue Trader's OST but compared to Darktide its definitely more on the generic side for 40k tracks

way too much organ and choirs

Kyd definitely experimented more

[arctic talon]

P-2

[dense salmon]

yeah jesper kyd kind of touches a lot of soundfonts with darktide

which is great

[arctic talon]

Rogue traders ost is generally very inoffensive

It doesn’t do anything weird

[storm jungle]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

But it’s like fine

[dense salmon]

like nightsider and imperial advance are on two polar ends of the 40k "sound"

[arctic talon]

Mhm

[storm jungle]

Kyd has also been around since like

2001

guy is literally a legend lmao

[green loom]

Original hitman

[storm jungle]

YEP

[green loom]

Fkn

Ezio's family

[arctic talon]

My favorite combat track from rogue trader is still scions of lorgar ngl

[dense salmon]

borderlands

[green loom]

Was his work

[arctic talon]

Mostly since

The intro lol

[warm notch]

Darktide soundtrack goes so fucking hard

It’s like 20% why I play this game lol

[green loom]

Anyway here's some awful

https://youtu.be/V117Ycxb6a0?si=97mYVq7aOJrUZ4g1

[dense salmon]

if i'm not mistaken

jesper kyd made the best song from borderlands 2

bandit slaughter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp9X7zJRtHY&ab_channel=z3lx

[rose thorn]

i hope in th e next csm codex we get like a 3 pillar system, one for space mairnes, one for cultists, and one for chaos mech

[arctic talon]

It’s gona be 2 at most

Tbh

Chaos mortals/marines

[rose thorn]

aos codex sysem is so good

system

i mean abttletomb

[arctic talon]

AoS is also a different game

[rose thorn]

FRR

[arctic talon]

Tbf

The way GW has written the codex’s is different now

[rose thorn]

i havent looked at the 10th edition codexes

[storm jungle]

https://youtu.be/Z79V0bmrVZw?t=52

[green loom]

I've never played borderlands so can't comment

[storm jungle]

Mr Electric, kill him

[rose thorn]

i havetn been very interested sense they got rid of my favorite part of warhammer, the hero hamemr

[green loom]

More like

[arctic talon]

I hate hero hammer lol

[dense salmon]

also a great one

[green loom]

Bore ragnarok

[arctic talon]

So much

[dense salmon]

kyd really just understands the context of whatever game he works on

the world of that game

because pretty much everything from borderlands could work just as well in mad max

it has that violent wasteland feel

whereas if i had to use a word to describe any song from darktide, i'd probably say "struggle"

[rose thorn]

i dont like named hero hammer but i love the actionfigure style of 9th

[green loom]

I feel like you give him a vague description with some image and he'll just go "Oh, aha, yeah I can do that"

[arctic talon]

I just don’t like hero hammer regardless personally

I don’t like so many eggs in one basket from a gameplay standpoint

[dense salmon]

people point to mick gordon for his work on doom and doom: eternal but tbh

as a fighting game enthusiast

killer instinct is some of his best work

[rose thorn]

i need to look at 10th more tbh but ive mainly been doing aos , warcry, and killteams

at least until 10th is less horde focused

[arctic talon]

tbh 10th is very very interesting from a game design standpoint

but also its def not my favorite

[green loom]

I think his work on atomic heart is better than doom lol

[arctic talon]

ngl I don't like a solid chunk of his music from eternal

[rose thorn]

i can appreciate the flat stats, thats why warcry is so amazing

[arctic talon]

2016 on average> tbh

[dense salmon]

bethesda kinda snubbed him on eternal

the DLC uses other artists and those songs are a lot more unique

not to say his work was bad

[arctic talon]

its not bad

[rose thorn]

but like, the gutting of combi weapons is a big example of rubbing me the wrong way

[arctic talon]

I just prefer 2016's music tbh

[rose thorn]

ilke

why?

[dense salmon]

i like both for different reasons

BFG 10000 is my favorite from eternal

[rose thorn]

i mean for the combi weapon death

[arctic talon]

also wolfenstien has really good music

tbh

[dense salmon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dLV-pbbBUg&ab_channel=Anecro

[arctic talon]

but the mixing in game is horrible lol

[rose thorn]

frrrr

[dense salmon]

andrew hulshult deserves recognition for the ancient gods

[arctic talon]

Ancient gods part 1 is really good

music and gameplay wise

[dense salmon]

the dry starting chainsaw as part of the instrumental is insane

[green loom]

I like how grungy(if that's the right word) Wolfenstein is

[arctic talon]

its very aggresive musically

in a dif way from doom

[dense salmon]

andrew hulshult appeals to the part of me that enjoys metal in the style of mudvayne

[arctic talon]

shame the audio mixing in that game and its sequel is dogshit

[green loom]

[arctic talon]

shame the reboot is prolly gona go out on young blood

since it did horribly

[storm jungle]

Youngblood

the game nobody asked for

[arctic talon]

Fun concept

terrible execution

they made killing Nazi's boring

[storm jungle]

Youngblood makes me regret being a woman

[arctic talon]

At least it had better balancing early on

[storm jungle]

which is an achievement

[arctic talon]

compared to 2

[dense salmon]

hl2 is old as shit at this point but has an absolute banger soundtrack

[arctic talon]

Wolfenstien 2 lowkey has dogshit balance tbh

[dense salmon]

it's always a pleasant suprise replaying hl2

[arctic talon]

compared to Wolfenstien TNO

[dense salmon]

forgetting how good the ost is

[green loom]

God hl2 fkn

Is like a fever dream whenever I listen to it

[arctic talon]

its memorable

[green loom]

My brain gets caked from old Gmod nostalgia

[storm jungle]

https://youtu.be/_LfWn9znWOE

[dense salmon]

cultist base is also a bop from eternal

[storm jungle]

**"All autonomous units: Accept mandatory sector assimilation. Coordinated constriction underway. Debride and cauterize. Entering phase nine, enhanced compliance. Deploy advisory control and oversight. Submit and be subsumed." **

[dense salmon]

listen to this music and look at hl2 concept art

[storm jungle]

actually

pro tip

try listening to the half life OST while playing darktide

it fits so fucking well

[dense salmon]

black mesa has a good soundtrack too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooFhz4bs_yE&ab_channel=JoelNielsen-Topic

[arctic talon]

Cultist base, bloodswamp and BFG 10,000 are the tracks I really like from eternal

also Kar En Tuk

[dense salmon]

yeah kar en tuk gets the blood pumping

[green loom]

AAAAA

https://youtu.be/baast3VuEa4?si=DbYtT9sf14Wxaa2w

This was over a DECADE AGO

https://tenor.com/view/dies-cat-dead-died-gif-13827091

[storm jungle]

LMAO nostalgia bomb

[storm jungle]

bro the Lobby Ambush one

[dense salmon]

watch kitty0706 videos again

some of that humor genuinely aged pretty well

some

[storm jungle]

when you arent using slurs or being homophobic most tend to

[dense salmon]

i remember being like

10 or so years old

and watching elliot goes to school with my friends in the computer lab at school

[storm jungle]

saaaame, god

[dense salmon]

i don't give young kids a hard time about skibidi toilet or banban or whatever stupid shit is the new hot thing when that was the content i digested at their age

[green loom]

I'm realizing now that I was one neurotic ass kid

Sheesh

[dense salmon]

an endless stream of zelda cdi youtube poops

[storm jungle]

I think we still grew up in a much better golden age of comedy

especially from a youtube/gmod vids perspective

[green loom]

I think that's cus people didn't have the algorithm down as much

So they all just did whatever

[dense salmon]

i won't lie to you, dinner blaster

is still funny

[green loom]

It's like how MMOs used to be fun adventures because no one knew what the hell they were doing

But nowadays a new MMO gets the fun optimized out of it within like 2 months

[dense salmon]

you just had to be there in 2009 on maplestory man

unironically

same with roblox

[green loom]

I remember the diablo rip off they made for the Level Up! Show/movie

[dense salmon]

dasboschitt's gmod videos are still kinda funny

[green loom]

Oh what the hell this show had A Train

https://youtu.be/06PCHR1iyAU?si=XCPucjKPWADwtQxS

shudder

[dense salmon]

worlds.com is ancient but you can still interact with a lot of people there to this day

the dude who hosts it is apparently patent squatting so he keeps the game going

warframe has kinda been hitting with some of the latest tracks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MW0FFdGAW4&ab_channel=CripyConPasta

[arctic talon]

ah my favorite tileset in the whole game

PTSD made manifest

[arctic talon]

This is prolly my favorite track they've added
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeIeR5fbc9k

[dense salmon]

DE's composers definitely like hans zimmer

which isn't a bad thing

because this slaps

but it has his style

[arctic talon]

def

my favorite part of the new tracks is that all the vocals are in Void Tongue

Which means all of it has a translation and isn't just gibberish lol

The whole aesthetic of the new enemies are very cool as well

pieces of bone, metal and bone dust all being held together by energy

[echo vault]

Solar Auxilia has an unbeatable style

[radiant lance]

I'd let him have my babies

I'm also a guy

[sacred ginkgo]

My headcanon for P-2's music is that it's gabriel absolutely shredding on his organ upstairs after you left

[arctic talon]

lol

[shell mason]

Hey isn't the tubes in the heads of people, have stuff like the butchers nails, Combat Stimms, battleground info, etc right?

[wet sandal]

I don't wanna be that guy, but what exactly are you asking?

[arctic talon]

It depends

The psykers are to help control their powers

The butchers nails are also a chaos only thing

Nowadays

[shell mason]

I mean back before the heresy

Like on Angry boi Angron

[shell mason]

Yea like on the panel for the talents for psy

So

It is possible

for a person with these tubes

[storm jungle]

It depends like Wolf said, for psykers its to help them cool off and stabilize their powers.

For other people its computer-brain stuff.

40k has a big aesthetic thing for pipes/wires going into peoples' heads

[arctic talon]

^

[shell mason]

To listen to like a audiobook and shit

[arctic talon]

The psykers just have it help manage their powers

[storm jungle]

Yep literally

[arctic talon]

Most officers who have it

Usually get data from it

Or other crap

[shell mason]

Not even data

Just a regular ass audiobook

[winged jacinth]

Space marines also literally get "service studs" iirc which are just bits of metal on their face for no reason

[shell mason]

It represents for time in service if i remember right?

[winged jacinth]

30 years at a business you get a watch 100 years as a Space marine you get a metal head nub

Yeah

[shell mason]

Its to tell everyone else to get on their knees

Homie been through the shit

for a thousand years

[dire apex]

You could consider the upgrades to vets sharpshooter stance as you getting better combat implants as you rise the ranks

[shell mason]

True

Or or hear me out

Get better with no implants like a chad

Like this madlad

https://tenor.com/view/jetstream-sam-clap-fireworks-cheer-gif-23094976

[storm jungle]

Sam is just literally built different

https://tenor.com/view/the-only-thing-i-know-for-real-sam-samuel-rodriguez-gif-25842814

[shell mason]

Nearly none of his body was cybernetic and was still beating Raidens ass

Be more like Sam

[winged jacinth]

that's such classic metal gear writing

i love sam but raiden can literally throw a RAY how can human muscles block him

[shell mason]

Nah MGS Revengeance was just wild for no reason

[rose thorn]

i love the sudo medival knight armor the guy on the banner are rocking

just grab a slave to darkness model and give them a gun

[shell mason]

The Twins?

[rose thorn]

OH they are named

[shell mason]

Yea

[rose thorn]

i just bought the game and avoided darktidce stuff

so it isnt spoiled

[shell mason]

Karnak twins

[rose thorn]

(I have been in these server before the gave was even in open beta)

so i have no clue how i didnt spoil mys elf

[rose thorn]

they are cool!!!

[dire apex]

Not a lot to spoil up until recently

[rose thorn]

i wanna maek a chaos cultist gang for necromunda

[dire apex]

Even now though not a ton

[shell mason]

I do know one of them is still alive after you fight them

Believe its the sister

[dire apex]

That’s not certain, just based off a finger twitch

Could just be a death rattle

[rose thorn]

quick question, is all of the traitors in darktide nurgle

[dire apex]

So far yes

[rose thorn]

alright!

[shell mason]

Still wishing for Khorn at some point

[rose thorn]

im hype i only have 33% left

[shell mason]

A death rattle can occur when a person who is dying is no longer able to swallow, cough, or otherwise clear saliva and mucus from the back of the throat, and because secretions in the respiratory tract may be increased . The sound varies. It may be a crackling, wet noise that is amplified as the person breathes.

Homie what?

[rose thorn]

until its downlaoded

[rose thorn]

my brain instantly went to heartstone

[dire apex]

Yeah that’s the literal definition of death rattle which just refers to the noises

[shell mason]

https://tenor.com/view/khorne-skulls-for-the-skull-throne-blood-for-the-blood-god-gif-18272573

[dire apex]

But corpses can also twitch and spasm after death

[shell mason]

Yea do to rigamortis, I think

But you just killed them so doesnt make sense

[desert dust]

Kinda wish they did a slannesh with more gruesome shit instead of sexy can't put in this Christian video game stuff.
Like slannesh is awful not sexy.

That way we can get some extream DJ'S in dark tide deafing us all with sound cannons

[shell mason]

........

Ngl

Slannesh is some freaky stuff

[storm jungle]

Its just hellraiser

theres nothing freaky about it

[shell mason]

Yea

But still

Have you read the hellraiser comics?

[storm jungle]

I have consumed most hellraiser media

its really not that much

its just gore

[desert dust]

Also the like short dash horrors that basically barrel into.

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-darktide-sharpshooter-darktide-veteran-hello-chat-darktide-hello-chat-gif-2742873438399829862

[shell mason]

I could see them adding a Death Guard in there

a relatively small warband of two - four depending on how many players their are

Players not bot

(s)

https://tenor.com/view/nurgle-chosen-warhammer-fantasy-warhammer-nurgle-chaos-warrior-gif-15918407

Have em set up like the twins

[winter vessel]

Like another strike mission?

[shell mason]

A incredibly hard boss like the twins

Like example

[rose thorn]

i can only see like, a death guard being a final boss

[winter vessel]

I’d make the comparison to that of Destiny’s bosses. The regular find an kill are like strikes. The Karnak Twins are like doing the Dungeon runs(above strikes). A Plague Marine would be a Raid boss (AKA sleep deprivation and lots of tears)

[shell mason]

a small warband of Deathguard take interest in the Hive city listening to the call of nurgle. Seeing the strike team as a minor threat they send a single death guard to clear them out.

https://tenor.com/view/plague-marine-warhammer40k-chaos-space-marine-death-guard-nurgle-gif-16743287

Name him Augustus

Caranax

[rose thorn]

space mariens love making cults, sometimes a singel amrine is able to cause a cult

[winter vessel]

Boss name: The Girth

[shell mason]

Yee

[shell mason]

yea

[rose thorn]

im so so so excited to see the genestealer and necromunda stuff to see like to scale

THIS MAKES ME SO FUCKING EXCITED

I LOVE GEO ECONOMICS IN FINCTION

fiction*

im like that wojack meme pointing when ever is ee anything that is used in gsc

[sacred ginkgo]

If we were to get a Plague Marine we would probably wipe the floor with it

[rose thorn]

if i see a mining laser im going to freak out

[winter vessel]

I want a mission that involves ship to ship combat, boarding action

[sacred ginkgo]

unless its a champion or something

[storm jungle]

The axe in your hand is also from a GSC biker set

[rose thorn]

I KNOW

[shell mason]

I mean have them use the weapons they're well known for

[storm jungle]

[rose thorn]

its not my hand

its a screen shot

[storm jungle]

aw damn

[rose thorn]

from google

BUT I IWLL FUCKING MELT DOWN

[shell mason]

heavy chemical weapons

[sacred ginkgo]

Thats not the issue, it would die in half a second

[shell mason]

how so

?

[sacred ginkgo]

My vet by themselves would paste one due to carrying a plasma gun, and 2 kraks

[rose thorn]

another quesiton, is tehre duel wueilding?

[sacred ginkgo]

one of these things is enough

[shell mason]

Therefore resort to

[dire apex]

No not yet,

[rose thorn]

damn

[shell mason]

.

[rose thorn]

i cant be Kal Jerico

YET

[sacred ginkgo]

A killteam of plague marines would be neat

[rose thorn]

in darktide or in table top

[sacred ginkgo]

but Fatshark also doesn't want Astartes of any variety

[sacred ginkgo]

Darktide

[shell mason]

I figured that much

[storm jungle]

based decision tbh

[rose thorn]

i think necormunda shows that having no actual astarties improves the vibes

[storm jungle]

marines are trash

yeet

[shell mason]

Its a fresh can of air with no space marines for once

[storm jungle]

Space Marines are like Jedi in Star Wars, the moment they show up they ruin any stake in the plot and are cashcow posterboys

[rose thorn]

in uh, hired gun when you see the statues of marines they feel like angelic untouchable creatures

[sacred ginkgo]

Turns out an army of 9 foot tall super soldiers built, armored, and armed like tanks isn't super interesting

[rose thorn]

frfr

[shell mason]

However their a chance since their is chaos cultists there

we may get khorn worshipers

[rose thorn]

my favorite story in necromunda is that supposedly someone found an astarties pistol, then rumors of an astartie in the underhive went around

[shell mason]

that i pray

[rose thorn]

then the entire gang was found dead

like absoluetly obliterated

[shell mason]

.......

One of the astartes got their ass chewed out tho

[dire apex]

That pistol helps him sleep at night, it’s his teddy bear

[rose thorn]

FR

i imagine he dropped it down a storm drain like dropping keys

the best part is that necromunda houses imperial fists

i bet the gang didnt even get a fucking second to try to give it back

[sacred ginkgo]

I have no idea what storm drain is large enough to drop a bolt pistol down but that image is really funny

[shell mason]

"YOU FUCKING LEFT WHAT?!?!?!?"

"MY...... PISTOL SERG."

"FIND IT BEFORE SOME DUMBASS FINDS IT. OR ILL CALL THE FUCKING INQUISITION DAMN IT."

"YES SERGEANT."

"AND KILL ANY DUMBASS YOU THINK MAY HAVE SEEN SOMEONE WITH IT OR CARRIED! AM I UNDERSTOOD?"

"YES SERGEANT."

"NOW GET THE HELL OUTTA MY SIGHT."

[sacred ginkgo]

Marine gets his arm through the bars to try and grab it

[rose thorn]

imagine being a cawdor seeing the space marine

[shell mason]

lmao

[rose thorn]

and then imagine being the cawdor splattered across the street after annoying him

[shell mason]

[rose thorn]

its so much greater than if we had the story from the space marines pov

[coarse pumice]

Have they got bigger again?

I saw someone say that rogue trader, like the tabletop, has the GM be too spineless to say no when a player wanted to be a space marine

[arctic talon]

The marine sucks lol

Argenta is much better for shooting

Ulfar is pretty much outclasses by everyone else

And he’s a huge liability in combat bcs of how big he is and the fact you can’t equip him with much of anything

[coarse pumice]

the GM's revenge for the player whining to play a marine

[arctic talon]

Meh

He’s fine as a character

He’s just not great lol

He doesn’t do melee great, he doesn’t do shooting great

Only thing he’s decent at sorta is not dying

But he’s a huge fucking target as well

[queen laurel]

Yeah by the time you get him your team would be properly equipped and would absolutely railroad anything

[arctic talon]

If they want him to be decent he needs better everything

[queen laurel]

and finding him better gear it's a pain in the ****

[arctic talon]

Yeah

For the love of god

Let me give him a helmet

At least stat wise

Even the eldar companions are less picky lol

[queen laurel]

For the love of God can i at least find him better space marine armor than the one he wears

Doesn't do a good job protecting him

Because he really needs it being the only four tile character that you can have on your group

[arctic talon]

N o

You should be allowed to use any power armor on him ngl

Or like

Turn power armor into like his sort?

Idk he’s so fucking annoying to use lol

[queen laurel]

finding power armor in this game very annoying

[arctic talon]

Ngl

I barely bother with it

[queen laurel]

And even the ones you can get are ******* expensive

[arctic talon]

It’s not that necessary

Tbh

[queen laurel]

yeah but it's sick

[arctic talon]

True

[queen laurel]

speaking of power armor argenta

She can use it because her unique trait allows her to wear power armor being an adeptus sororitas but

where the **** do i look for it

[arctic talon]

It’s part of her quest

Iirc

[queen laurel]

yeah that's why i'm going back to really finish the companion quests

[arctic talon]

Also ngl

It lowkey annoys me I can’t max

Multiple factions

[queen laurel]

dude maxing out one alone is already alot of work

[arctic talon]

Yeah

And I wish we had more random people to slaughter

For more cargo

Which I never thought I’d say ngl

[queen laurel]

grinding ship runs is a ******* work i don't want to do

[arctic talon]

Let me grind random gangers up

[queen laurel]

Going back by power armor giving one to Abelard like this is just fun

and of course pasqual

[arctic talon]

Mmmm dragon scale armor

[velvet imp]

I feel chapter 3 of Rogue Trader is just unnecessarily difficult for the sake of being unnecessarily difficult

not to mention the whole debuff mechanic in chapter 3

[queen laurel]

the final boss

In chapter 3

can suck bolter and get blasted in the head

Incredibly tough has a lot of debuffs had a lot of buffs for her groups

[velvet imp]

uh... not to mention the debuff the party members get by default because of the experiments done to them

[queen laurel]

Yeah jesus, abe and pas debuffs

Jesus christ those two debuffs really f*** them over

[velvet imp]

you can also miss out on getting your Space Marine companion if you do not sacrifice a chance to remove that debuff

[queen laurel]

And also the fact that going to the boss the place is already riddled with traps

[velvet imp]

I heard the debuff is removed once they experience their first trauma though

[queen laurel]

By default not even a contest i say chapter 3 is the most unfun part of the game

[velvet imp]

it seems people notice those debuffs are removed once they die once and have it replaced by a tauma

[queen laurel]

yeah at least that's something

[velvet imp]

could be a bug or something intentional

Abe said he would remove his debuff through some kind of skincare treatment after escaping

but people notice it is still there eventhough he said he took the treatment after returning to the ship

[queen laurel]

yeah i had to remove pasqual's unholy flesh using toy box

[velvet imp]

Owlcat needs to provide us a way to remove these debuffs without needing to sacrifice out chance to get our space marine companion

[queen laurel]

and the space marine companion isn't even that good

abe is already a monstrous fighter at that point

and argenta can just do his shooting

[velvet imp]

chapter 3 also seem to be the time when companion move their personal story as well but only for those who joining you during this event

so bring pascal, Abe, and Jae is just going to have to cost players to deal with the debuff

[queen laurel]

There is also the quests being stuck at a certain point and being unable to progress

[velvet imp]

we only get enough "parts" to recruit the space marine companion and remove 1 companion debuff as well since we need the first part to get back our gear

[queen laurel]

Yep and of course you have the option as well of getting pretty good weapons and items

finding materials to get that doctor's favor is very ******* annoying as well

[velvet imp]

ya the extra parts for the companion and remove debuff is from a medicae skill check

but my character had decent medicae skill check already as a soldier since it is something I use often

[queen laurel]

my character was purely built for battle

it was not fun

my character is a vanguard demolitionist

so

[velvet imp]

I decided not to bring Cassia this time though since Jae can cover my persuasion checks just fine. So I am entering this story arc without a psyker ally

though I think it is for the better since your psyker ally can't be rescued until later in this part of chapter 3

but your normal companions can

and Argenta do not get a debuff if I remember right

but bring her along is vital to "learn the truth" about what happened in Prologue

[queen laurel]

yeah she doesn't get a debuff

you can also get abe pretty early but of course

[velvet imp]

ya his debuff sucks

[queen laurel]

him getting age really hinders his strength and durability which are literally the main stats that you build him up on

[queen laurel]

it sucks

The fact that it's targeting the stats that he benefits from the most

[summer mural]

is titus wearing devotion chains

[celest dome]

These ?

Not exactly cause I think the Devotion chains are attached the weapon normaly

[summer mural]

yeah the ones on his arm

and yeah they aint attached to his weapon

[celest dome]

There is also an Inquisition sigil on it

[green loom]

I think that's supposed to mark his deathwatch service?

Wait a minute where the hell did I hear that

[summer mural]

Its probably part of the penance he underwent

[celest dome]

Don't they usually keep the silver shoulder for that ?

[summer mural]

I assumed it was devotion chains , because he was taken away by black templars and an inquisitor at the end of 1

then afaik, he got demoted and did "penance"

[green loom]

We'll find out

[summer mural]

we will

[green loom]

Penance could mean deathwatch service

[summer mural]

could mean it yeah

do the ultramarines treat deathwatch service as a penance though

or are they one of those oh its an honor

[median marsh]

I don't recall em keeping any signs after their service, they do take an oath of silence however

[celest dome]

They have to ?

[summer mural]

oh damn, according to the wiki titus in space marine 2 is officially a primaris

I didnt know that

[median marsh]

Apparently they do yeah, I'm not sure it's the same oath sisters of silence take

[queen laurel]

Being a first born space marine that is just normal is not gonna do him anything so hey a little upgrade is good

[median marsh]

it makes sense considering deathwatch deals with some very secretive things

[summer mural]

yeah, its nice they gave him the upgrade

[celest dome]

Can't see anything like that in the Honour badges

[mild rapids]

The oath of silence with the Deathwatch is basically they just can't talk about what they did in the deathwatch

[median marsh]

Yeah, they don't go full on mute with sign language

[celest dome]

So more like a Non Disclosure accord than an Oath of Silence

[dusk patrol]

It’s an Oath where they have to be silent about what happened and what missions they were on

[shell mason]

Correct me if im wrong but

[dusk patrol]

Although they can and do share knowledge about how to combat enemies they’ve fought and some secret knowledge which is often a huge value to chapters

[shell mason]

isn't a daemonhost a imperium unit in the old tabletop?

Due to the inquisition?

[dusk patrol]

There are radical inquisitors who use them yes

[median marsh]

It's an extremely old model for GKs, set in metal

They don't make it anymore to my knowledge

[dusk patrol]

But very often that’s a very very dangerous line to walk

And a lot of Inquisition members will try to kill you on sight for using one

[median marsh]

And yeah, creation of daemonhosts is something radical inquisitors do

[dusk patrol]

Grey Knights too

Among other Imperium authorities

[median marsh]

It's an insanely risky move with dubious results at best and extreme consequences at worst

For example Eisenhorn

[shell mason]

Eisenhorn?

[median marsh]

Book series about an inquisitor of the same name

He created a daemonhost, cherubael

[queen laurel]

this guy

He has done a lot of things that is considered radical by his peers

[median marsh]

He was even hunted if my memory serves me right

[versed ledge]

Hunted by friendlies?

But he's loyal though

[queen laurel]

yes a lot of the inquisition are very puritan

[queen laurel]

Loyalty does not matter if you do something that the people that you serve consider wrong

That statement is incredibly prevalent in the imperium

[versed ledge]

Blue on blue be the norm in the Imperium, isn't it?

[shell mason]

thus punishments must be enacted

[green loom]

So the inquisition works like this

You have a bunch of people with theoretically limitless authority

Some of those want to stick to the traditional lines, some, the radicals, want to push the boundaries and do whatever possible to ensure tue imperium survives

The former despise and hunt the latter

[median marsh]

Puritans vs Radicals in a nutshel

[shell mason]

Think of the age of shame

[versed ledge]

I sure hope the radicals win at least

[shell mason]

when the inquisition went against the space wolfs

[green loom]

Radicals typically go insane

[median marsh]

they often go too far, way too far

[versed ledge]

How did that go?

[shell mason]

Its call the age of shame

what do you think?

[median marsh]

they fucked around and found out

[green loom]

Months of shame

[versed ledge]

Far as in opening a warp butthole in real space and allowing a total daemon invasion to occur?

[shell mason]

Grey knights got their asses handed to them

[median marsh]

Potentially, radicals dabble with powers they barely understand often

[green loom]

It's definitely a scaling thing

[versed ledge]

Space wolves still exist, I can assume heavy losses on the inquisition

[median marsh]

A daemonhost if it breaks free can do a whole lot of awful stuff

[green loom]

Like you can be too radical or too puritan

Most skirt the line

[queen laurel]

Even the weakest one would obliterate a tank with a punch no problem

[versed ledge]

Would that mean the daemon hosts our guys fight DT can have that kind of power? Explains why tanks are all shells

[median marsh]

Games cannot be lore accurate because Warhammer lore is insane

[shell mason]

correct, Many grey knights died leading to a coup of the ship where the inquisitor in charge was. Leading to a grey knight I believe killing him

the guy was a dick tho

totally deserved

[median marsh]

never forget Celestial Lions

[queen laurel]

darktide is not the most lore accurate

[median marsh]

a lore accurate Warhammer game would honestly be unplayable

[shell mason]

yep

[median marsh]

GW really loves throwing around extremes in their descriptions

[queen laurel]

las guns are pretty good by earth standards, then we see the shit they fight in the regular

[median marsh]

A lasgun despite all the memes is an incredible weapon

easy to make
Hurts like hell
Basically unlimited ammo (can recharge packs in a bloody campfire even)

[queen laurel]

And when all else fails calibrate it into a grenade

[median marsh]

To quote a chaos marine "those who mock it never charged into a firing line with thousands of them"

I forgot the actual quote

[queen laurel]

yeah that is actually pretty accurate

[shell mason]

Funniest qoute i heard was

[versed ledge]

One lasgun stings tickles an enemy, but thousands, that's walking into the damn sun

[queen laurel]

"The Legionnaire that scoffs at a lasgun has not charged across an open field against a hundred of them."
— Maor the Scarred, Siege-Champion of the Scargivers, Black Crusade

[median marsh]

A lasgun is pretty strong, they just happen to face things that can take a beating

[queen laurel]

and literal normal firearms are still in the setting and they get called shit

[versed ledge]

Can it kill an Eldar guardian?

[median marsh]

It can rip limbs off

[queen laurel]

The setting has an AK47 and the basic gun of the military is a laser gun that can blast concrete

Yet it still gets trash talk

[median marsh]

And even pierce marine armor if hit in a weakspot

[shell mason]

Mean if i can be honest

[queen laurel]

And if that's not enough you can calibrate the setting to have more power and turn it into a sniper rifle

[median marsh]

It's pretty versatile

[versed ledge]

It also has full auto mode too?

[median marsh]

it can kill an eldar, the issue is hitting them

[queen laurel]

yes

[median marsh]

Depends on a pattern iirc

[shell mason]

pretty sure if you were a regular dude and had a Bolter round wiz past you by like a foot pretty sure youd still die

[median marsh]

Hellguns come full auto

[versed ledge]

They're basically space elves turned space ninjas

Explains why its gonna be hard to hit them

[median marsh]

Can't miss if there's more bullets than air

The patented Ork/IG method

[queen laurel]

Your chances of hitting someone with a shoota is lower than your chances of hitting someone with a sling shot

[median marsh]

Slingshots are actually scary

[queen laurel]

Yeah i just have to read david versus goliath every time i need reminding

[median marsh]

Firing a shoota is probably fun

[versed ledge]

Slingshot, and the predecessor the sling, were devastating weapons of war

And still use in small game hunting up to now

[queen laurel]

Make sure to fill in the bits that are missing though because I'm pretty sure you click the trigger this thing gonna fall apart

[median marsh]

pulls trigger
Gun blows up

[crystal forum]

depends how many orks are around you

and david didn't use a slingshot he used a sling

slings were used as military weapons for ages

[shell mason]

Yee

[crystal forum]

ancient greeks would throw lead balls with slings in combat

basically low velocity muskets

[queen laurel]

i mean you can just fill in the missing parts because orks do build machine with actual parts it's just so crudely built that you need to fill in the missing ones to stabilize it

The biggest example of this is commissar Yarrick

[shell mason]

Those shits destory

[crystal forum]

they really are the perfect fighting force when you think about it. orks need very little logistics other than whatever they think they need

[queen laurel]

Yeah and they are also self-sufficient because they photosynthesize

don't have to worry about losing specialist on the field because can just grow a mechanic on the back yard

[crystal forum]

i dont get how nids are winning against orks

even nids need some sort of sustenance

[queen laurel]

The hive minds like abusing their genetic knowledge

For every tyranny you kill 10 more will replace it with a flick of a finger

[celest dome]

The orks is their substenance

[crystal forum]

oh right

[queen laurel]

Yeah orks are a biomass farming farm with how much they replenish quickly

Octarius is a good example of this

[celest dome]

Ork spores fighting against Micronids

[crystal forum]

divide and conquer would be the best way to win against orks right

as long as they're all infighting tribes they can't waaaugh

[celest dome]

Honestly the best way would be to bore them out and make new spores impossible

[queen laurel]

I guess the best way is to occupy them with another fight then swoop in when they are weakened but even then particularly smart war bosses can still take advantage of that

Yeah find a way to get them to leave and basically get rid of any spores they left behind is the best way of getting rid of them

[crystal forum]

so getting rid of the warboss is a priority

[summer mural]

were the orks made by the old ones

[crystal forum]

the krorks were i think

then they became orks

[queen laurel]

that's one of the best ways to break their morale but again it also depends on the warband you are fighting because another one can just take the position

[queen laurel]

yes but since they couldn't find anything to fight and the eldar systematically killing a large portion of them and literally triggering God Mode every time they fight made them become Orks

[crystal forum]

it's pretty funny that the best way to save the galaxy from chaos and nids would probably be to let orks become massive

[queen laurel]

Yeah and if you get rid of the two you have another problem

who would entertain the giant massively smart orks?

[crystal forum]

once both are defeated they'd just regress back to infighting and that's when you exterminate them

or hell they'd probably all just go into the warp to fight forever

[queen laurel]

Orks that are larger are a lot smarter and they realize that there are things to kill war of the beast highlights how dangerous this is

those guys have attack moons and literally sent a diplomat that speaks gothic to ask for terra's surrender

[crystal forum]

yeah humanity would be massively weakened but is that a bad thing

with terra dead, the emperor gone and all the primarchs destroyed maybe then humanity can move on from the imperium

and then star wars happens

[median marsh]

Emps dying can have unpredictable results

and also would extinguish the astronomicon, making interstellar travel a whole lot harder

[crystal forum]

it would be harder only if the warp remains as unstable as it is

but with orks killing a ton of chaos who knows how calm things would become

and with most sentient life being killed off

[median marsh]

Chaos won't just sit idle though

they certainly didn't when emps was running amock

[queen laurel]

the warp literally became what it is thanks to the war in heaven

[crystal forum]

chaos can't do their trickery on orks is the best part though

[queen laurel]

killing sentient life won't help it buddy

[median marsh]

khorne literally keeps a waagh for entertainment

[queen laurel]

yeah Tuska is still at the realm just killing anything that breaths

[median marsh]

They absolutely can pull wacky things on em

[crystal forum]

the orks are happy on his chaos planet

it's not like they got tricked to be there

[median marsh]

They're there against their will still, because khorne liked em enough

[crystal forum]

i thought that was because of slaanesh

humanity didn't need the astronomicon during its golden age

[queen laurel]

A lot of the bad things in the setting you can literally trace all the way to the war in heaven

[median marsh]

The birth of me Slaa caused a catastrophy but warp was horrible way before that

[queen laurel]

In the first place the entire reason she was born is because a group of highly psychic individuals is decided to have fun way too much

[median marsh]

Nurgle was wide awake by that time for example and he was the second to awaken

[green loom]

The jorp

[crystal forum]

warp travel was still calm enough to not need the light of the emperor. in the imperial days it's straight up impossible without the astro

god i hate eldar

[median marsh]

Humanity had way more advanced tech back then so they might have bypassed the warp entirely

Like there's a time traveling ship from that era

[crystal forum]

no they definitely used the warp

they genetically created the navigators

and there's space hulks from that era

like a ton of them

there's this one space hulk that was the remains of a time traveling ship with an intact AI on it

crazy shit

the only species that can bypass the warp are eldar and necrons i think

[median marsh]

Tau

[celest dome]

The Webway is still dependent on the Warp

[median marsh]

They sorta dip in and out without going too deep

[celest dome]

So still use the Warp

[queen laurel]

They tried to of course try human tech but they removed the comatose psyker for the warp Shields

you can guess what happened

[celest dome]

Only Necron don't use the Warp at all

[queen laurel]

the tyranids use gravity right?

[celest dome]

For interstelar voyage ? They travel without faster thanlight stuff

[crystal forum]

for how intentionally stupid the world of 40k is, it's surprising how it's one of the few sci fi settings that shows how important FTL travel is for an interstellar empire

[queen laurel]

It can then somehow harness the system's gravity to create a corridor of compressed-space through which Tyranid vessels can travel towards the system at a swift rate. Whilst slower than proper warp travel, this method is infinitely more reliable.[1]

lex

yeah they don't use the warp

But of course they slow down because they harness the gravity of the world which causes a lot of problems to the said world

[crystal forum]

so that's how they came from a different galaxy

[queen laurel]

Yeah but when they are closing in they have to slow down a certain point because you know gravity is a *****

[crystal forum]

it's still slower than light right

[dusk patrol]

Yeah they use a kind of gravity ship thing

It’s ftl

[summer mural]

why can only eldar use the webway all the time

[dusk patrol]

But slow

Slower than basically all other factions

Also it can’t be used near planets

[crystal forum]

webway is so ancient that it's falling apart and only eldar know the entry points

[queen laurel]

yep

[dusk patrol]

So they have to exit FTL far out

And fly in

[queen laurel]

Yeah they manually fly to their target after reaching a certain distance

[crystal forum]

wait so is it faster than light or not

[dusk patrol]

It’s their main weakness as a faction is their slower FTL

[dusk patrol]

I just said it is

[summer mural]

seems like getting entry points to the webway should be big on the imperiums to do list, because its better than their travel right?

[dusk patrol]

It’s just slower than others

[dusk patrol]

It’s kinda like saying getting Necron jump drives should be a priority

[queen laurel]

yeah but compared to the other ones it's very very reliable

[dusk patrol]

Kinda easy to say hard to do

[summer mural]

didnt the emprah have a webway project

[dusk patrol]

Yes

[summer mural]

which magnus bazooka'd

[crystal forum]

bruh the fucking space bugs have more advanced FTL than humanity

[dusk patrol]

Didn’t work out

[dusk patrol]

They don’t

It’s shit compared to everyone else’s

[crystal forum]

can humanity do the compressed gravity stuff though

[dusk patrol]

It just serves the nids needs well

Nids can’t do warp travel either

[crystal forum]

traveling faster than light without using the warp seems like a pretty crazy advantage for humanity

[dusk patrol]

Ripping a hole into hell and flying through it is pretty advanced

[queen laurel]

While yes it's a lot safer to the users the problem is like it said it's incredibly ******* slow compared to the others

[dusk patrol]

Also it’s “safer” in that the Nids can use it

I doubt it’s healthy for anyone else

[queen laurel]

yeah they are harnessing gravity here to basically slingshot themselves

humans would need specialized gear to withstand something like that

[crystal forum]

most of the imperium doesnt even know the webway exists

it's still a close kept secret

[summer mural]

well yeah, but so is chaos

and the grey knights

most of the imperium could probably do with being told some truths

[dusk patrol]

It’s not like they can just snap their fingers and get the webway

[summer mural]

true

[dusk patrol]

Even if everyone knew

[summer mural]

its time to torture some eldar

[crystal forum]

by secret i mean it's something the eldar don't talk about

[dusk patrol]

The webway itself also has a lot of issues

The Imperium is very aware of it

[crystal forum]

oh

[dusk patrol]

They just can’t access it

Big E was super aware and he didn’t even bother to try to use the Eldar stuff

He just made his own gate which obviously didn’t work out but the point being it isn’t worth trying to use it that way

Not even the Eldar fully understand the webway

[crystal forum]

yeah knowing about the webway is one thing but knowing about its labyrinth interior is another

[dusk patrol]

And lots of it is collapsed and dangerous now anyways

[summer mural]

the drukhari should be better with the webway than other eldar right?

[dusk patrol]

They’re both very capable.

Harlequins probably know the most

[summer mural]

does everyone know where comorragh is or is that like a secret?

[dusk patrol]

It’s probably the most known location

[crystal forum]

it's ironic how eldar act like humanity is primitive while they themselves use the webway which is the remnants of a species that was vastly more advanced than them

[dusk patrol]

Eldar have always been the trust fund kid race

[queen laurel]

only the Harlequins know the web way very well considering that they abuse and live in the damn thing, but of course feel free to try to capture one i'm pretty sure it will go well

[crystal forum]

everybody in 40k is just using stuff that was made by better people before them

except the tau apparently

[dusk patrol]

That’s a big theme yeah

“The best stuff was already made and will never be surpassed” kinda deal

[summer mural]

khans in the webway, he probably has some fun stories to tell

" I was moving too fast, I saw nothing"

[brisk vine]

The Tau just have a rigid caste system enforced by some group of beings that look kinda like tau and showed up fairly recently in their species's history

[crystal forum]

even this aspect is like a big fascist thing taken to the extreme. i love the irony in it

[dusk patrol]

Idk about that, it’s a common theme in a lot of sci fi

[brisk vine]

Lightsabers being from a more civilized age

[dusk patrol]

Ancient tech from the civilization before being super advanced but hard to understand

Surviving for eons

[crystal forum]

fascists love talking about ancient empires. look at mussolini trying to restore the roman empire and the nazis with their aryan race stuff. i like to believe 40k does this on purpose

[brisk vine]

It's all a big pastiche for funsies, yeah

[dusk patrol]

[brisk vine]

They've gone from it being just that into actually taking some bits seriously

Because otherwise it'd be a bit one note

[dusk patrol]

40k doesn’t talk about the empires before with rosey light

[brisk vine]

It doesn't talk about much of anything with rosey light

[dusk patrol]

The Dark Age of Technology is not thought of as a good time

[crystal forum]

not 40k as a whole but the imperium does

[brisk vine]

Nah

[dusk patrol]

No they really don’t

[brisk vine]

They just look up to the 30k era

[dusk patrol]

30k era to some extent but even then

[brisk vine]

Because they miss big E and his boys all being good (mostly)

Looking at you, Conrad

[queen laurel]

Yeah if it's called dark age of technology I don't think it's good

[dusk patrol]

Age of Strife also

Not a lot of positive things to say about here ancient empties

They did make cool guns though

[queen laurel]

while yes that era it's a source of technological wonders it's also a source of technological abominations and the abominations are very prominent

[crystal forum]

still i think it has some elements of ancestor worship

[tulip brook]

My impression is GW doesn't take their setting as seriously as some fans. A lot of people are trying to dig deeper mining some serious social commentary while most of the time "plastic soldiers kapoow boom"

[summer mural]

sly marbo exists

[brisk vine]

And fluff to make everyone think their faction is cool

Except for Nids

[dusk patrol]

I would also largely agreed with that, some stuff is meant to be a little commentary but like

[crystal forum]

yeah no i dont think it has any direct social commentary to it

[brisk vine]

Nids are meant to lose

[dusk patrol]

It’s not that deep

[brisk vine]

And never win

Because when they win, there's no one left

[crystal forum]

i can see some elements taken from IRL though

[dusk patrol]

If you have to bend over backwards to make a metaphor or commentary work

Idk, probably not worth

[crystal forum]

some authors seem to put in the effort i feel

[queen laurel]

the swarm lord is probably the most bullied next to the avatar of khaine

[brisk vine]

Alpharius Omegon is a commentary on the propensity of young males to look at a Ryan Gosling character and go "he's literally me"

I am Alpharius.

[dusk patrol]

The Adeptus Mechanicus is a commentary on how working in engineering or tech support for long enough will make anyone religious about when machines decide to work

[brisk vine]

Perform the rites of turn it off and on again, percussively maintain the offending machine spirit thrice and utter the curses of lamentation.

[crystal forum]

the way dan abnet put it once is what i feel about it. it's more of a thematic trend that was started in first edition that continues today. it's no longer a direct commentary on the world but it's got a lot of elements from real life things that you can notice

[brisk vine]

Because authors, by the necessities of existence, are influenced by the world around them.

[crystal forum]

yeah

[brisk vine]

And can think something is super rad

And throw it in

Which is valid

Their story, their choices.

[tulip brook]

Superstition, oppression, everything going to shit... Yup it's real life alright

[versed ledge]

Definitely tech rookies, IT directors usually know what's going on

[brisk vine]

That's what they want you to think

[versed ledge]

If they don't, well we get the mechanicus

[rose thorn]

I imagine non admech IT is like, a brain surgeon

[brisk vine]

I don't think you're supposed to have non Admech IT in the Imperium

There's the whole treaty thing

[versed ledge]

I those are called field engineers

Wait...do those exists

[rose thorn]

On like a hive world and stuff you can’t risk a tech Priest being in the under hive

[crystal forum]

even non mechanicus repair people in 40k do exactly what the mechanicus does

[brisk vine]

Combat engineers are usually just fancy sappers with shotguns

[brisk vine]

Fair, but that's definitely under the table

[versed ledge]

And who makes big booms

[brisk vine]

Actually

When are we gonna get a revolver style shotgun like this?

[crystal forum]

he's got the metro 2033 shotgun

[brisk vine]

That would be cool

It's from the Vraks books so

Lots of underground combat

Against traitor PDF, mutants and khornate berserkers in the tunnels

[dusk patrol]

This sounds like someone who has way too little experience with tech directors

Everyone knows what they’re doing when it’s easy

[brisk vine]

Here's the front

[dusk patrol]

But then there’s that one fucking engine or computer or whatever

[crystal forum]

the only people who know what they're doing in tech are experts in very narrow fields that they've been working with for years

[dusk patrol]

And fucks sake you tried everything and tore it apart and rebuilt it over and over and fuck just break out the incense and start praying

[brisk vine]

Or who literally came up with the language/application

And even then

[crystal forum]

like i said, experts in very specific things

[dusk patrol]

No one knows what they’re doing some people are just less confused

[brisk vine]

The machine is beyond our meager, biological minds

[crystal forum]

it's what happened to tech during the age of strife. at some point domains become so advanced and niche that losing a bunch of experts due to war and stuff leads to nobody else knowing what to do

[brisk vine]

That and all the blueprints were lost or corrupted

To be rediscovered later

[crystal forum]

humanity would still be fucked tech wise even if they had all their STC's intact

[brisk vine]

Definitely

[dusk patrol]

Also during the DAoT it’s not like humanity was unified

[brisk vine]

But having solid blueprints that don't spit out abominations when you try them out would be cool

[crystal forum]

i think foundation from isaac asimov did this first

the whole tech degradation thing

[brisk vine]

Foundation was a fun read

Yeah

[spring cairn]

Do we know if they fought each others often ? Afterall they made all these super op weapons, I doubt it was for the scientific achievement.

[crystal forum]

i'd say dune did it too but i think in those books it was a voluntary choice for humanity to shy away from too much science

[crystal forum]

i see it thrown around sometimes that humanity's military tech was so advanced that even orks signed peace treaties

[spring cairn]

might just be hyperbole

[crystal forum]

could be true if humanity had the means to wipe them out if they wanted to

[spring cairn]

yeah but then, if you can why not do it ?

orks are literally all bad no good

[crystal forum]

humanity was actually nice back then

[spring cairn]

I think killing orks is the nice thing to do tbh

DAOT humanity L

[crystal forum]

killing psykers would have been a nice thing to do too but they were nice to them and regretted it during the age of strife

[spring cairn]

Yeah but psyker you can agrue that they're also human beings

And all the bad shit that happened, they didn't wilfully make it

[brisk vine]

Angry_zealot_noises.sfx

[crystal forum]

maybe this is why the emp was so anti xenos. he realized humanity's past mistake

[spring cairn]

If humanity spared Orks from total extinction, they were even more clueless than the Taus

[crystal forum]

taus appeared during the imperial era

they were just a primitive race before that

[spring cairn]

I mean naive like back when the taus started expanding

[crystal forum]

oh yeah tau themselves are still naive

but chaos doesn't seem to care about them much so understandable

golden age humanity being naive is a whole thing too

[celest dome]

Probably never, wouldn't work as cosmetic for the current ones

[crystal forum]

we only know about them from the imperium's perspective so that's also something we have to take with a grain of salt

[spring cairn]

they had to wisen up at some point, they expanded so far away the golden age probably lasted very long

considering they had no warp travel

[crystal forum]

golden age humanity did have warp travel

they created the navigators

[spring cairn]

uh

[crystal forum]

there were very few psykers though back then and chaos didn't want to reveal itself yet

but then eldar had too much fun and slaanesh was born causing the warp to be near impossible to navigate in

that cut off a lot of humanity's worlds from eachother, starving them from resources

and lots of other shit happened like the men of iron and the psykic awakening

age of strife was all about that

[brisk vine]

Even as a new mark?

[crystal forum]

emperor let all this happen

some would say intentionally but i like to believe he just overslept a couple thousand years

[celest dome]

Would need to be a new weapons as it would need new animations and wouldn't work with the special amo

[brisk vine]

Fair

Fan the hammer on a shotgun obviously

[crystal forum]

single action revolver shotgun

are krieg engineers ever mentioned outside of vraks material

[warm notch]

The Karnak Twins were wealthy???

Big lore dump

[dusk patrol]

Yeah they had two pairs of socks

[warm notch]

Those bastards

[dusk patrol]

Having socks at all on Atoma was already a luxury, but two pairs?

[warm notch]

Is this a case of like privileged people being too bored with their lives and turning to heresy lol

Tho obviously she had other motives to go after them other than “grrr I hate the rich”

Since she explicitly wanted one of them for interrogation