None of us would make the cut anyways
#40k-lore-chat
dusk patrol
plush mason
ye
queen laurel
None of us would make the cut anyways
my ass would run away when meeting a demon engine
dusk patrol
If there’s one thing this game should make clear
Is that none of us have what it takes
queen laurel
And rogue traders fight things a lot more horrifying on that pretty regularly
winter vessel
‘Yo ho yo ho a pirate’s life for me’. Still, sounds fun.
And sometimes, rogue traders got the drip
dusk patrol
Not sometimes
They are without exception
All dripped out
More proof non of us could cut it
sacred ginkgo
‘Yo ho yo ho a pirate’s life for me’. Still, sounds fun.
The 12 plaguebearers breaking through the gellar field:
queen laurel
They are without exception
Even the ones that don't have the most influence have pretty expensive clothes
sacred ginkgo
Because clothes are cheap when you run a voidship
sacred ginkgo
One profit factor is a pirate lords entire inheritance
plush mason
The 12 plaguebearers breaking through the gellar field:
my rogue trader, "Abelard. crush this fools while i get some recaff"
sacred ginkgo
Would be argenta for me
plush mason
her too
queen laurel
She cannot be hit in melee
you run this?
sacred ginkgo
So once I get a few versatility stacks she can’t be hit
sacred ginkgo
you run this?
Yes
queen laurel
yeah it's amazing
plush mason
i am running her as MT so she cant use her bolter in melee lol
its why she has a thunder hammer kek
queen laurel
i am running her as MT so she cant use her bolter in melee lol
yeah to mitigate that I have dash
plush mason
same
queen laurel
for her
sacred ginkgo
Parry a godamned primarch with her bolter
plush mason
but sometimes i just want to crush some daemon with a thunder hammer and Abe is too far away
queen laurel
but sometimes i just want to crush some daemon with a thunder hammer and Abe is ...
i love giving abe a Melta but getting this one is very late game
sacred ginkgo
Where
plush mason
i love giving abe a Melta but getting this one is very late game
yeah
sacred ginkgo
Pasqal thirsts
plush mason
i use plasma with him
queen laurel
Where
Incredibly ******* late game I'm talking you're probably ending your playthrough when you can get this
plush mason
he buffs meltas too but plasma just gets more bang for your buck
sacred ginkgo
Is there anything better than a precise bolter lying around?
queen laurel
he buffs meltas too but plasma just gets more bang for your buck
This was a fun weapon for him
sacred ginkgo
Damn, so Argenta is just set for the rest of the game
queen laurel
Damn, so Argenta is just set for the rest of the game
shame getting her power armors were very much a question
dusk patrol
This is the best plasma for Pascal
queen laurel
She doesn't need the power armor proficiency because she is adeptus sororitas
sacred ginkgo
Whermst
queen laurel
This is the best plasma for Pascal
Yeah you're probably gonna spam intelligence with him
sacred ginkgo
Neat
queen laurel
Explorator rep I think
Yes it's explorator
sacred ginkgo
How high does rep go?
dusk patrol
Very
queen laurel
How high does rep go?
It depends on the faction
queen laurel
Drussian are the easiest iirc
drusians have 29 yeah
dusk patrol
Besides Navy
plush mason
but im like right at the start of act 4
||and i have already turned the expanse into a fortress with a shit ton of guard regiments and full on "militia fleets" of naval patrol craft lol||
queen laurel
explorators are over 30
plush mason
navy is only 14 lol
queen laurel
yeah the Navy is the shortest
sacred ginkgo
I hate drukhari ships
plush mason
so much torpedo spam
sacred ginkgo
Did an encounter with 3 little guys and 2 two cell ships
Gibed all 3 little guys with a single set of torps
Then reloaded like 10 times for the other 2
queen laurel
so much torpedo spam
what my argenta looks like wearing power armor
plush mason
that helmet is great for her
sacred ginkgo
That’s a really nice looking bolter
queen laurel
that helmet is great for her
yes it's very useful
sacred ginkgo
Needs some wood parts
plush mason
looks like the relic bolter from space marine 1 lol
queen laurel
That’s a really nice looking bolter
crisp heath
Lol I've known pascal for one mission, dudes been on my ship and looked at one computer, and I can already tell he is so done with my shit lol. This poor guy lolol
queen laurel
This thing packs a punch too
plush mason
i love Pascal mainly just for his voice
queen laurel
i love Pascal mainly just for his voice
also he just looks sick
plush mason
ye
queen laurel
My guy is built different quite literally and metaphorically
plush mason
all the tech priests look epic in this game
crisp heath
Yes I love him but I can tell my character tires him out lolol
Just love how well written the game is
plush mason
yeah Owlcat's main strength is their writing
crisp heath
Hey, quick question. Does the order of the planets you go to continue to matter throughout the game? Like in chapter one how things would be different with the VIP depending on when you showed up to the prison planet, or other things. Just curious and if there was anything to watch out for that might screw me.
Going into chapter 2 now. Just curious if I need to be wary
summer mural
has it been completely disproved that sanguinor could be azkaellon
green loom
Hey, quick question. Does the order of the planets you go to continue to matter ...
No noticeable changes for me so far
sacred ginkgo
Hey, quick question. Does the order of the planets you go to continue to matter ...
A bit late but yes, it matters
The VIP on the prison world will die if you come to late or be fine if you go there first
The order of your protectorate worlds in chapter 2 affects what happens on them when you get there
The later, the worse
crisp heath
@green loom @sacred ginkgo thank you both
@summer mural it's neither completely disproved or proved. It's stated often that many of his order believe his soul is that, but nobody can say for sure. They just believe that it is so.
Afaik
coarse pumice
How limited are respecs?
crisp heath
You get 3 free I believe
Then they go against your profit factor I think, or you have to pay for it some way
coarse pumice
Hmm can profit factor be farmed? I might wait until later in the game to respec
green loom
You'll have more than enough before long
coarse pumice
I spent half the game levelling up and I still think I made some mistakes 
green loom
Thas why the respecs are there
crisp heath
Lol I'm just trying to keep my head above water with the leveling up stuff, ngl. I think some of my choices play well with each other... otherwise I'm lost lolol
I'm gonna wait on the respec till I hit a wall I can't get around, or understand things a bit better and where I might improve
For now though I'm barely treading water lolol
green loom
I want to give some spoilers for the heretic path
But instead of writing it down I'll just send this
crisp heath
Question, is there any benefit to not accepting Opticon 22's payment? If the idea is I want large profit factors and good relations, doesn't it behoove me to keep them in debt and have them be thankful for it?
queen laurel
he gives you a hella lot of extractors
and early game those are your main sources of profit
you extract materials from worlds and sell them to the highest bidder
storm jungle
yep
crisp heath
So... from what I see, I get 2x Extractors, or 5000 Explorators
@storm jungle what do explorators do for me?
I know Extractors are for like... getting materials from planets
queen laurel
<@166943308231344128> what do explorators do for me?
they are a good source of plasma based weapons and power weapon
they have very high tech stuff very fitting for pasqual
Don't have much use for them because you're not really part machine though that's the problem
queen laurel
literally just always accept business proposals
Yeah you literally lose nothing
get something they get something
crisp heath
Lol OK fair....
storm jungle
yeah basically
dapper isle
is there a Christmas type holiday in 40K?
earnest snow
Sanguinala
If I remember correctly
Basically honoring Sanguinius, though there is a lack of blood in the celebrations
crisp heath
Yea that's kinda always been sangys schtick
He's a good boy who didn't deserve it damnit!!!!
queen laurel
"he died for our sins" etc
he didn't just die, he got three pieced double mock whopper combo for our sins
spring cairn
Sanguinius has a power armor and jesus doesn't so I think we all know who wins
green loom
He deserved worse
spring cairn
however jesus came back to life in his book so that's something over hawk man
crisp heath
@green loom you stop right there sir! I will not hear such heresy
green loom
crisp heath
@spring cairn Jesus also wasn't a vampire with daddy issues. I mean... he did have daddy issues. But he wasn't a vampire lol
spring cairn
why horus has an exhaust gas cape
crisp heath
@spring cairn it's a black bear-wolf thing
spring cairn
Looks like exhaust
crisp heath
It kinda does lolol
I think, or it was at least at one point. Idk if warp fuckery maybe made it all smokey by that point
Probably 🤷♂️
storm jungle
why horus has an exhaust gas cape
its evil smokey shadow effect because hes literally an avatar of the chaos gods at this point
crisp heath
Also... lol I think Weshammer be lurking in this chat sometimes. I be seeing topics of convo popping up in here, and I think he makes videos clarifying stuff lolol
spring cairn
it's exhaust
storm jungle
its not
spring cairn
exhaust is also evil
storm jungle
Also... lol I think Weshammer be lurking in this chat sometimes. I be seeing top...
wouldnt surprise me lol
spring cairn
enjoy black lungs
green loom
Yeah anyone who uses exhaust in league is pretty evil
spring cairn
anyone who plays league is evil
crisp heath
Like he just made a Rogue trader video two days ago, then this dropped https://youtu.be/x0k_q0sjY9c?si=Tn9i3eb5C6M1tO9o and I was like bro.... ain't no way lol. I swear everything in this was a discussion in here at some point lol
green loom
There's a bit in Emperor's Gift where some inquisitor/retinue member tells a marine that it's a shame he ascended while showering with him
median marsh
Well, piloting a gigantic mech suit is bound to be fun
summer mural
they dont seem like they get around much
storm jungle
They are literally everywhere
summer mural
are there traitor knights
median marsh
yes
green loom
Ya
storm jungle
yes
mild rapids
Yes space marines have dicks, I think Lukas the Trickster even has kids
queen laurel
are there traitor knights
yes
green loom
queen laurel
earnest snow
he didn't just die, he got three pieced double mock whopper combo for our sins
Died so hard his sons got genetic trauma or some shit
earnest snow
Interesting how a primarch's death can effect their gene sons
tough haven
Died so hard his sons got genetic trauma or some shit
Christians be like
median marsh
Knights are pretty funky considering they follow feudal system
earnest snow
Christians be like
median marsh
With knight pilots being nobility
tough haven
That was less funny than it sounded in my head
summer mural
how much bigger is a warhound compared to a knight
tough haven
Knights are pretty funky considering they follow feudal system
I love that in 40K you can do pretty much whatever setting you want
Because of how isolated each world can be
Or even system
storm jungle
how much bigger is a warhound compared to a knight
queen laurel
how much bigger is a warhound compared to a knight
14 metres for a warhound and 9 to 12 metres for the imperial knights
median marsh
summer mural
arent dreadnoughts supposed to be like a badge of honour and the pilots potentially live for hundreds of years more, but redemptors basically use them as a fast burning battery
median marsh
A dreadnought is a coffin on legs essentially
For loyalists, it's an honor (depends on the person I'd say) but for chaos marines it's a curse
green loom
If you're too good they'll stick you in one to serve as a wise grampa and sometimes heavy ordnance carrier
median marsh
One example is bjorn
He is mostly kept asleep, woken up only when needed for council or otherwise
summer mural
they probably get fat with their dreadnoughts
median marsh
Depends really, the frames are affected by corruption
chaos dreads fuse with the body interred quite often, becoming stuff like hellbrute
tough haven
A dreadnought is a coffin on legs essentially
I love the line in the tau books underlining the horror of encountering a dreadnought and opening it up
median marsh
Tau had a hard time comprehending titans at first too 
Probably, they'll probably melt into the frame anyway unless destroyed beforehand
green loom
If there's much left of them to begin wtih
median marsh
The forbidden canned beef
green loom
I'm not sure why it keeps correcting to dolara
green loom
That's fair, it's funny tho
storm jungle
lmao i can guess
green loom
Just wish you had a more direct connection to chaos cults and stuff
earnest snow
verbal path
arent dreadnoughts supposed to be like a badge of honour and the pilots potentia...
Yes
Cawl didn't get the memo that Astartes use their dreadnoughts not only for a beatstick on legs but to preserve his knowledge.
So he did the ol' Admech method of pilot batteries.
plush mason
Question, is there any benefit to not accepting Opticon 22's payment? If the ide...
you get rep if you just give it to them as a gift
plush mason
i bet the skeley boi in the front isnt even dead
sweet arch
is it just me or are "your presence is required" colony events clearly just copy-pasted bullet points from a brainstorming document or placeholder programmer content, and it's present by mistake
storm jungle
Not really
near wasp
You know i feel like an asshole when i play rouge trader. Then i remeber im not being an asshole, im being lore accurate
near wasp
Usually they are the most fun in rpgs
tiny niche
Why is it never explained who dafug the traitor even was
Like she just pops up time to time in the cutscene
I felt the whole „campaign part“ kinda was dry af
We basically just got called out for jack shit
median marsh
shes a plot device for the rest of the gang to tell you to work hard, nothing more really
tiny niche
Like okey why am i supposedly the traitor
median marsh
they say everyone is a suspect, not just you
tiny niche
Why not the hundreds of other rejects
median marsh
literally a direct quote from rannick
tiny niche
they say *everyone* is a suspect, not just you
But it comes down to 2
median marsh
its rannicks funky way of telling you "turn bad and itll be you next"
near wasp
It mean rannick likes you and he doesnt want to kill you
tiny niche
I mean who even is sheee what happened to that squad she ran with
Whats the LORE
I HAVE QUESTIONNNSSS
near wasp
They show up again i think in the meeting cinematic
median marsh
i wouldnt say he likes you, he finds you useful due to your performance
we are tools for em, not people
gray umbra
Nah me and rannick go way back
tulip brook
I feel like that part is rushed to hell for release
tulip brook
just traitor curse release has more lore than the whole level up
tiny niche
Like common make it replayable
median marsh
the best way to look at it is to not really look too deep into it and just focus on new bits that are properly done
gray umbra
Its like destiny level where you just hurpaderp your way through the backdrop
median marsh
mind you, VT2 didnt explain anything either unless you specifically sought Olessya out to tell you wtf you achieved
tulip brook
last cutscene is still pretty silly with ogryn
median marsh
"just do it, its easy lelmao"
median marsh
i hope youre not being serious
tiny niche
I live for the funny character interactions
near wasp
Then play the game and listen to the zealot and psyker debate theology
tiny niche
Yes but i want my orgyn boi talk about his farm 🙂
median marsh
sure thing, i hope you prepared the funds to record lines for all the possible combinations of everything
for all voice actors
you can see where im going i pray
tiny niche
And maybe for the veteran on where what he was you know not always me commisar this commisar that
Cadia this cadia that
near wasp
This isnt baldurs gate there isnt gonna be 4000+ lines for every interaction
tiny niche
I am asking for crumbs
Not cake
Character selection should be mentioned sometimes
Like all this for what
Maybe a single different eye colour
median marsh
"add this thing specifically for me" isnt the most compelling argument, i do agree that the char creation should have more impact, and it kinda does in certain way but theres no way of making it in a satisfactory way
tiny niche
Anything would be satisfactory
median marsh
your past life does not matter after recruitment, its something of your own fluff to expand upon if you desire
near wasp
Like were a bumbling bunch of rejects who cares where we came from, were tools for the inquisition
median marsh
for the inquisition what matters is your current performance
tiny niche
Since it means its somehow important you made choices
green loom
I want to give this tank to my guard
median marsh
do it, call it a lost leman russ pattern
tiny niche
Like were a bumbling bunch of rejects who cares where we came from, were tools f...
I wanna be engaged a lil bit 
green loom
Boom boom
tiny niche
Like the lack of story could be very much substituted by a more fleshed out player character
median marsh
the story is kinda happening right now
with moebians and wolfer being the current "arc"
celest dome
What would make a characer more fleshed out ?
tiny niche
More selection lil bit to the act itself heck even a small personal log
Like with every 5 levels a small log
median marsh
personal log wouldnt work, especially with ogryns considering one of them cant write (or read, one of these)
tiny niche
personal log wouldnt work, especially with ogryns considering one of them cant w...
Crayon drawings
median marsh
it also would immediately upset other people on the account of "my character wouldnt put it like this wtf"
near wasp
^
median marsh
it would work if it was something like vt crew, as they are established characters
tiny niche
Well i mean its better that notin
Or more to hadron rannick like a lil bit
Campfire talk type shit
near wasp
Well if it upsets a bunch of people its worse than nothing
median marsh
they already have that, mourningstar has practically nonstop character bickering
and it keeps expanding
Morrow and Hallowette hate eachother at this point
rose thorn
The imperial guard army refresh box is surprisingly cheap, I might make a brood brother army if I got insane
median marsh
everyone dislikes Hadron etc
near wasp
Cause we dont get to know anything until it beecomes relevant, such as the life of an agent of the inquisition
median marsh
you get the briefing on the go plus inside the mission itself
median marsh
because its open ended for you to make up your own stuff, same as why a personal journal written by someone else doesnt work for a character thats designed to be your stand in
the chars do recall some old stuff but the rest is left for you to imagine how things were
storm jungle
because its open ended for you to make up your own stuff, same as why a personal...
also yeah this, theres a reason people make so much fanart of this game of their own Darktide OCs, it helps with popularity and ironically free advertisement lol
median marsh
like vet basically does the trope of "hey remember back in vietnam lmao"
storm jungle
as much as I dislike not having pre-made characters 💀
median marsh
but its left for you to imagine what actually happened
driptide had this pretty fun thing where people wrote their own little stories to go with their character outfit
i cannot type today holy hell
tiny niche
I just want a bit more connection to a character i am forced to create at the start like damn why the hate 
median marsh
we are not hating, i hope i didnt come off as mean, its kinda hard to express through text
storm jungle
Jokes aside yeah the point is you are suppose to be a blank slate
median marsh
its mainly just up to you to like, expand stuff about your own character, stroke a creative spark
storm jungle
the problem is these personalities literally have a ton of character
and arent blank slates
tiny niche
Than why even give the ilussion of choice
median marsh
its not for everyone because writing is kinda hard
storm jungle
Than why even give the ilussion of choice
homebrew mostly
people like that sort of thing
near wasp
I love writing my own characters
storm jungle
its how in 40k almost no decision you make for your origin in RPGs really matters
median marsh
its kinda dnd-ish in a way, you get a few things to build off
storm jungle
^
tiny niche
https://www.playdarktide.com/news/dev-blog-character-customization
Like why have so much deticated to this idea of become something greater
Like it feels like there was much more planned
spring cairn
having much more planned is the name of this game
they're implementing stuff they wanted for release slowly
storm jungle
Yeah this game was absolutely rushed by higher-ups
the class update is kinda the final nail of evidence in the coffin for it
tough haven
How often does chaos and Necrons get pitted against one another?
storm jungle
Entirely depends.
they can come into conflict for any case/scenario
Invading a world that just happens to have a tombworld, or chaos clashing with a necron feet or the reverse, etc
for the most part though not that much
tough haven
Cause they're more or less the anaethma of each other
chaos is what forced the necrons to slumber more or less right?
celest dome
Wasn't it the fact that there weren't much life around that they went into slumber ?
outer wave
Thought they went to slumber due to the strength of the Aldari/Krorks at the time
tough haven
I thought it was also due to the enslavers
outer wave
Possibly but I thought Enslavers were more of a Great Crusade thing?
storm jungle
Enslavers have been around since the War in Heaven
broken zenith
it was due to the Enslavers snuffing out life back in 3E Andy Chambers fluff, Matt Ward of 5E then added the bit of Necrons enslaving the C'tan, and the Eldar and Krorks managing to smash the Necrons
5E Matt Ward Necrons decided to sleep through aeons to wait out
storm jungle
As per the 10th edition codex that just came out they went to bed to wait for their enemies to die out basically.
winged jacinth
The enslaver plague appearing / being created is what finally snuffed out the old ones still i think
winged jacinth
The webway in its complete state has been called intergalactic maybe the old one civilization still exists very very far away lol
storm jungle
the webway has been broken up to be only contained into the galaxy atm
winged jacinth
Fighting a universal war against the tyranids
broken zenith
The Slann were meant to be the devolved descendants of the Old Ones
broken zenith
3E Nec dex had good WFB tie in scenario to play out called Legacy of the Old Ones, where Andy Chambers and co recommended fielding 6E WFB LM against the Necrons
or alternatively you could spice it up with the Eldar
winged jacinth
Yeah it's super duper broken but when it was at full functionality it may well have extended much farther, and if the webway failed before the problems escaped the galaxy the old ones might only have died out locally
storm jungle
get your goofy ah frogs outta my setting
winged jacinth
It would be a major asspull setting shake up for them to reconnect i don't think it will happen but its possible!
storm jungle
I mean you say this
but Arks of Omen literally had an Old Ones device/tech as a plot device
if theres anything most big sci-fi settings do a lot its re-using Precursor Races as a trope constantly, so you are on the money
winged jacinth
I mean an extant Old One civilization laying down new webway tunnels and stuff
broken zenith
If the Slann ever return, the idea of them being the Old Ones descendant would be likely to be reiterated
winged jacinth
Old one tech is going to continue to be occasional mcguffins forever
broken zenith
as anything that has ever been reiterated so far
winged jacinth
Like new STCs
storm jungle
I mean an extant Old One civilization laying down new webway tunnels and stuff
No like the mcguffin in Arks of Omen was literally a Webway tunneling tool
lmao
we dont have a lot of details but its what Vashtorr said basically
winged jacinth
Still there wasnt like a cadre of old one engineers there with it though, im talking about them reconnecting as an active faction
winged jacinth
I think they'd rather keep them powerful beyond imagining but dead or whatever though
storm jungle
also yeah we'll see if theres one thing GW is its being uncreative
so it'll prob happen
winged jacinth
But as far as we can tell chaos and the like are galactically limited right?
storm jungle
Yep
winged jacinth
All i was trying to say is that if the old ones weren't galactically limited and the webway broke before their killers followed them out they could still be around
Now that i've typed that a more likely use springs to mind
storm jungle
Some sources (aka a book or two) say Chaos is intergalactic but that basically makes zero sense because literally all of chaos' focus is on the milky way and most sources refer to them as being local galaxy-wise.
It's mostly poor attempts by the authors to try to make chaos more "eldritch" and generally fail at when you think about it too much.
winged jacinth
Webway invasion by new old one weapon xenos from another galaxy
winged jacinth
Next time GW wants to introduce a whole new faction to sell models for... just you wait...
Nah there will just be space marines 3 who am i kidding
storm jungle
LMAO
winged jacinth
I appreciate that the votann have an actual population of size the tau are comically small
Thinking of new faction introductions
storm jungle
The Cores are just mass producing those stunties
winged jacinth
The tau now have the combined military might of probably... a few crusades instead of about one like they used to?
It would be funny if the next "arc" of the setting was the tau using their slipspace drives to expand explosively without the imperium noticing
Whichever ones exploded into the startide nexus
tired summit
Whats the name of the ethereal that's actually nice?
tulip brook
tau seems to be going for inventing gods and getting chaos corruption
imperium v2 with shinier robots
winged jacinth
I haven't read the tau'va stuff firsthand but as i understand it shes spawned from all the non-tau in the empire?
The tau themselves still seem psychically inert afaict
tulip brook
farsight seemed to be getting influenced by his sword in arks
radiant lance
Whats the name of the ethereal that's actually nice?
The greater good
Psychically attuned citizens like humans bought into their ideology as a literal God
So that just spawned in the warp
The actual Tau hate it despite it being benevolent and actually saved a ship that was failing in the warp
coarse pumice
can you do anything with all these leaflets you pick up?
radiant lance
I sometimes wonder if this a lore chat or a rogue trader chat
mild rapids
both#
radiant lance
Some sources (aka a book or two) say Chaos is intergalactic but that basically m...
I always liked the deep warp theory
Chaos and where they reside is only a small part of the warp and there's deeper and even more maddening parts
tulip brook
too bad it'll definitely stay as a lovecraftian horror trope and nothing official will be done with it
radiant lance
Yeah but it's neat
tulip brook
like nids outside the galaxy
radiant lance
spring cairn
i mean
if the warp is localized to 1 galaxy
then it either means it's been manufactured by something sentient from said galaxy
or there is literally no other sapient lifefroms in the rest of the universe
outer wave
I dont really understand how chaos of all things is just localized to a singular galaxy
It feels more like a universal phenomena than something that only happens in one place unless as Lambda says, there's no people outside the galaxy or its manufactured
crystal forum
other galaxies might just not have psykers. it's one of those things in sci fi that rarely makes sense
like star wars and star trek
we as humans can't wrap our heads around infinity so we constrain our fictional settings to something we can understand
the galaxy is something familiar while anything outside of it is foreign and scary
hence nids just coming out of nowhere
tulip brook
or it isn't localized at all but for the setting only this galaxy is relevant
crystal forum
i think it's directly stated that outside the galaxy there's no warp which explains why humanity never ventured further
warp travel is straight up not possible there
outer wave
Wonder if the webway could've been used then
Eldar had to have seen something outside the galaxy
tulip brook
they can't see astronomican from far away, that's why they don't go far outside the galaxy
crystal forum
no that's just how the edge of the galaxy is
the edges are very dangerous to travel in because the astronomican isn't visible
outside of the galaxy there's straight up nothing
tulip brook
and the source for that?
crystal forum
i don't have it and i don't remember where i read this
might just be an assumption
arctic talon
source for the edges being terrible to travel
are in the IG codex 7e
and Space marine codex 7e/8e as well
crystal forum
yeah the edges we know. it's outside of it that's in question
arctic talon
oh
celest dome
Doesn't the story with Macharius present it ?
crystal forum
for one we can assume that in the vast distances between galaxies there's probably so little sentient life that the warp possibly doesn't even exist
the halo stars are the limit of what humanity has explored that we know of iirc
from the sources i can find on the wiki the halo stars lore is very old so idk how relevant they could still be
@celest dome the macharian crusades never ventured past the halo stars so that's probably what you're thinking of. this is still "in the milky way galaxy" though
but again, very old lore
like mid 90's old
crystal forum
the thing with this lore is it still acts like what's stopping humanity is the lack of the astronomican's light
but then that just makes you wonder if pre imperial humanity could easily go to these places due to how calm the warp was
to me it's a straightforward answer that warp travel isn't possible beyond the galaxy otherwise humanity wouldn't be confined to the milky way
storm jungle
for one we can assume that in the vast distances between galaxies there's probab...
Thats basically what the lore says yes
theres just blackness between galaxies and a lack of life and planets
stuff exists there but it isn't much
celest dome
Wasn't there something about how Daemon don't venture in the Warp equivalent cause things lived there, things that are more dangerous then them
storm jungle
That and again there isnt much life to capitalize outside of the milky way
its why the chaos gods are local
the Warp is also not just the chaos gods' domain
crystal forum
Wasn't there something about how Daemon don't venture in the Warp equivalent cau...
now that's some abyssal ocean type phobia stuff
i love it
tough haven
Anyone know where the unidentified voidship rumor is at? Even just vague answers are welcome
crystal forum
i kinda like the idea of it being full of vast horrors that we can't even see
the warp is sometimes treated like a vast ocean
it fits the theme
storm jungle
the thing with this lore is it still acts like what's stopping humanity is the l...
Also its less the Astronomicon, more just humanity does not have the resources anymore to conquer anything beyond millions of worlds,
While the Milky Way alone has assumedly 800 billion and 3.2 trillion to even 8 trillion planets, the Imperium just scratches at "millions".
summer mural
whats funny is theres no sound in space, so all the pew pew and broadside cannon shots going off noises never happen, kinda funny to picture a giant naval battle going on like that
storm jungle
its very much the parody of Rome where they stretched themselves to the limit and got raided/cut apart piecemeal by their enemies, which is the phase the Imperium is at currently
median marsh
the current state of imperium is well summarized in the tyranid video a while back, when guiliman watches planet after planet being lost
rapidly
versed ledge
What's keeping the imperium afloat then?
summer mural
copium
median marsh
plot
versed ledge
Trillions of casualties?
median marsh
GW can milk it way beyound the combined lifespan of us all
storm jungle
Copium and Plot
crystal forum
yeah like i said earlier limiting things to the galaxy is just because the scale of it all would be too much for our feeble human meat computers to comprehend
storm jungle
^
realistically speaking the Imperium would have fallen the moment the primarchs disappeared
tough haven
indefatigable human spirit and what have you
versed ledge
They keep losing and rediscovering worlds that it's pretty comical
Makes one wonder how shit their- nevermind, the adminstratum is shit
crystal forum
GW likes throwing around numbers like 1 million planets being under the imperium
storm jungle
A million words is the most repeated phrase so its basically the "confirmed" number.
versed ledge
Inflate it for coolness
crystal forum
but then authors say shit like trillions of humans even though that's probably not even near the scale of a million planets
storm jungle
thats mostly for a single planet
Tertium for example has 90 Billion people in a single hive
crystal forum
it's probably somewhere like sextillions but people don't even know what those numbers mean
median marsh
Life is the cheapest currency in the imperium
for there is always meat to be fed into the grinder
storm jungle
Also humans breed like rats
just as we we are talking now
thousands of people are dying
and being born
crisp heath
I mean... it's not really copium. Understand, the Imperium is literally galaxy spanning. It takes time for things to happen, including the death of itself. Like in rogue trader for instance, just to get fuel stuff to the mechanics took like, close to a 12000 years to actually travel there, if I'm understanding correctly. Things take absurdly long. It's widely understood by anyone High enough up that the Imperium is and has been in its death throes, and everything it does now is a wild mad tantrum trying to take out as much with it as it can. In its fight against the dying of the light, it will kill everything alongside itself to save the humiliation.
lapis wadi
Can't have vermintide in 40k because we ARE the rats
crystal forum
if GW starts talking about other galaxies could you imagine how much work that would be to flesh out
median marsh
we already have enough contradicting shite without other galaxies thrown in
storm jungle
A lot of people in the fandom also does not understand how big the fucking galaxy itself is.
lapis wadi
A lot of people don't understand how big a single planet is
storm jungle
LMAO
summer mural
but is the emperors real name Anathema Skywalker?
storm jungle
Yes. Next question 
crystal forum
i like how star wars explains it
"there's uh a ring around the galaxy that kills you if you go beyond it"
celest dome
Can't have vermintide in 40k because we ARE the rats
Except we could.
Have the player have characters from Eldar origin, and then have it against an Imperium tide
crisp heath
Wish I could double 100 stamp that lol
I mean a galaxy is like 5 planets and a dozen lifeless stars right
lapis wadi
I thought it was Jimmy Space
crystal forum
mfw a planet has 1 single culture
gray umbra
Luke skywalker vs konrad curze?????
storm jungle
mfw a planet has 1 single culture
mfw when every plot point has to be on tattooine
crisp heath
1 ecosystem, 1 culture, 1 major city, that's a planet baby
summer mural
Luke skywalker vs konrad curze?????
ah yes, Konrand telling luke he is is father
crisp heath
@celest dome there's literally cat people in 40k... if we introduce rat people.... will one be named Tom and the other Jerry?
lapis wadi
1 ecosystem, 1 culture, 1 major city, that's a planet baby
Be fair some planets can actually be that
crystal forum
mfw when every plot point has to be on tattooine
literally a third of the star wars galaxy is "nothing"
like straight up nothing
lapis wadi
I suspect warp travel beyond the galactic edge gets... weird, in any case
wet sandal
literally a third of the star wars galaxy is "nothing"
Most of any galaxy is nothing
gray umbra
"Luke i am your father" - abaddon the despoiler
storm jungle
Most of any galaxy is nothing
He more means that the writers are uncreative af
crisp heath
@crystal forum that's cause all the planets got blown up in 40k
storm jungle
everything has to be a fucking desert planet
crystal forum
Most of any galaxy is nothing
no i mean look at a map of star wars galaxy. a huge chunk of it is unexplored nothingness because nobody can go there
lapis wadi
It is handy for homebrew that you can still slot in a whole subsector in the segmentum solar & it fits
crystal forum
in star wars everything happens on the east part of the galaxy
crisp heath
Lol star wars just happens after everything. If 40k is 40,000 years in the future, star wars is 80,000 and time is just cyclical
gray umbra
When all you have is sand you dont have to write about biodiversity
summer mural
you take that back, theres women and children on that sand
wet sandal
you take that back, theres women and children on that sand
there were
summer mural
crystal forum
embed fail
crisp heath
... does someone need to explain how... 1.... that doesn't equal biodiversity... and 2... that's no longer true
Also large link
median marsh
fun space fact, some planets are fucking wild, like the one that has permament hurricane winds with diamonds flying sideways
lapis wadi
Is there a reason why nobody goes that way?
crisp heath
I think there's actually an explanation in uni I just forget it..
crystal forum
star wars lore sucks that's why
lapis wadi
Let's not throw stones in our glass house
median marsh
i remember there was some horrible eldritch thing
crisp heath
No it can actually go hard I've just not read anything in years
@median marsh something like that
lapis wadi
I vaguely recall that hyperdrives are black box tech in SW
Like nobody gets how they work
crystal forum
Let's not throw stones in our glass house
there's no hard set rules in star wars is the issue. writers can just do whatever they want
so the lore is all over the place
gray umbra
Its coarse and gets everywhere
summer mural
can angron still speak in sentences?
crystal forum
also star wars lore is way more focused on small scale stuff because you know, heroism and everything
storm jungle
there's no hard set rules in star wars is the issue. writers can just do whateve...
Hold up, that sounds familiar
can't be...
gray umbra
crystal forum
if a writer in GW pulls something out of their ass it has to be explained as different from the norm you know?
in star wars it's just how it is
desert dust
also star wars lore is way more focused on small scale stuff because you know, h...
Yeah but in 40k the personal stuff is the best
gray umbra
Kyber crystals?
median marsh
skill issued
crystal forum
meanwhile in 40k that guy has to go through a journey to recover some ancient archeotech or some shit
lapis wadi
You can add anything to 40k
lapis wadi
I bet you could literally add lightsabers to a subsector and it'd be fine
median marsh
"dont worry i found it in this forgotten vault"
gray umbra
Where did all these new space marines come from
storm jungle
^
gray umbra
Belisarius
lapis wadi
Plasma sword, bam
storm jungle
they were under Mars this whole time!!!!
"How did nobody find them?"
"Shut the fuck up"
lapis wadi
Finding things in Mars is REALLY hard guys
lapis wadi
...like it actually really is hard, Mars will kill you
It has killed many people seeking datavaults
mild rapids
I mean there is a C'tan shard on mars, probably and the tech priests worship it
crystal forum
and somewhere, somehow, alpharius was behind this
lapis wadi
That sounds like a good Mechanicus sequel actually, Martian techno-archaeology
median marsh
somehow, alpharius returned
storm jungle
...like it actually really is hard, Mars will kill you
median marsh
Mars is still dangerous as all fuck i think
gray umbra
But is it actually alpharius? Who knoes
near wasp
Is there a reason why nobody goes that way?
Its because the celestials created the area as a buffer zone to keep sommething called the null null from devouring sentience
crystal forum
at least 40k doesnt go through the same cycles of
-empire
-rebellion
-republic
-empire
-rebellion
-republic
-...
summer mural
LOL
tough haven
Is wildfire any good in RT?
lapis wadi
Instead it goes through the cycle of
-things are bad now
-and then it got worse
-things are bad now
-and then it got worse
-things are bad now
-and then it got worse
crystal forum
i saw a timeline video of the star wars galaxy and it's so fuckng funny how suddenly everything changes for no reason
gray umbra
Is wildfire any good in RT?
Ridiculously so
storm jungle
Is wildfire any good in RT?
Mostly good id say
median marsh
i remember the entire end times for fantasy being literally that
gray umbra
Mostly for vers stax
lapis wadi
I admit.. it does seem like the SW IP holders could have had a firmer grip on their lore
median marsh
"But then, hope glimmered...and immediately got curbstomped, shits even more fucked" x200
storm jungle
My favorite part of 40k is how the fans think they are above settings like Star Wars or Star Trek etc when they are literally all on the same spectrum
crystal forum
Instead it goes through the cycle of
-things are bad now
-and then it got worse...
don't forget space marines always get better though
lapis wadi
But I'm not going to claim 40k's lore is anything more than marginally less rickety
gray umbra
All nerds are the same regardless of setting
crystal forum
better at selling plastic minis
tough haven
Ridiculously so
but it takes several turns to set up
median marsh
"would x survive 40k" is my favorite kind of cringe material
lapis wadi
It occasionally results in fun comparisons
gray umbra
The ap cost of wildfire reduces the more stacks you get
sacred ginkgo
"would x survive 40k" is my favorite kind of cringe material
The answer is no
storm jungle
All nerds are the same regardless of setting
"GEORGE LUCAS RUINED MY CHILDHOOD!"
40k fan in the corner:
"Haha man these guys are such babies"
GW does a new update
"GW RUINED MY FUCKING CHILDHOOD, REEEE"
near wasp
The answer is no
Unless that thing is the flood
gray umbra
So at enough stacks you basically get wildfire for 0 cost and can spend all yoir abilities on buffing yoir ranged attack
tough haven
Ridiculously so
I'm taling about the psyker ability, is that what you're thinking of
storm jungle
The answer is no
Omniman, Doomguy, Flood, and about almost half of the fictional universes in fiction that have OP characters say no
tough haven
sorry, firestorm, not wildfire
crystal forum
"GEORGE LUCAS RUINED MY CHILDHOOD!"
**40k fan in the corner:**
"Haha man these ...
star wars fans
"woah is that a BABY YODA???"
40k fans
"OMG IT'S FUCKING LION MAN"
storm jungle
star wars fans
"woah is that a BABY YODA???"
40k fans
"OMG IT'S FUCKING LION MA...
LMAO
sacred ginkgo
Omniman, Doomguy, Flood, and about almost half of the fictional universes in fic...
“Random old ones mcguffin, go!”
median marsh
Grandpa Woke up from his 10k nap
lapis wadi
Clearly we need a tiny cat-headed Watcher in the Dark for BABY LION'EL
storm jungle
“Random old ones mcguffin, go!”
You can do that in any setting so yeet.
Also a star trek crewman's phaser can insta-kill a space marine
lapis wadi
Warframe's Origin System would slot into 40k and survive I feel
sacred ginkgo
Silly powerscaling is great
median marsh
Dr. Who had some insane shit
sacred ginkgo
I know of the daleks lore
median marsh
Angels that send you back in time while eating your time
crystal forum
in the end we're all being exploited by predatory business practices so we continue buying junk
lapis wadi
Daleks had reliable timetravel.. yeah it gets silly
near wasp
I dont know enough about daleks to debate that
storm jungle
A fucking trash can with a laser beam insta-killing a primarch is my kind of lore
sacred ginkgo
Literally dumpstered
gray umbra
The horse heresy
viral halo
A fucking trash can with a laser beam insta-killing a primarch is my kind of lor...
necrons
lapis wadi
Honestly 40k's best way to combat OP stuff is to subsume it.
Daleks would become khornate half the time
crystal forum
i love when like 40 people shoot at a single dalek and they accomplish literally nothing
at what point do you just stop and run
median marsh
"our bullets do nothing! KEEP SHOOTING"
every scene where Omniman gets shot is hillarious
near wasp
A fucking trash can with a laser beam insta-killing a primarch is my kind of lor...
I am the Lion, son of the forest, the Knight of nilihilius, and i am your doo-" instakilled by dinky little phaser
lapis wadi
Void/refractor shields mgiht stop a phaser, no?
crystal forum
every scene where Omniman gets shot is hillarious
see at least humans in the setting know that sending waves of people wont do shit so they start using monsters and high tech stuff
lapis wadi
I'm pretty sure all the primarchs had some form of energy field protection, you're gonna give your Primarch's armor an Iron Halo
crystal forum
like when they send those two jets to stop omni man somebody straight up says it's risking two lives for just a couple of seconds
storm jungle
every scene where Omniman gets shot is hillarious
Omniman would obliterate everything in Terra in like 5 minutes
median marsh
like, all he has to do is fly fast
storm jungle
yeah and let physics do the rest
median marsh
characters with super speed are insanely overpowered
median marsh
"woops, i used the momentum of my speed to reduce you to fucking atoms lmao"
crystal forum
it's pretty unfair though to compare omni man to anybody since he's straight up written as being better than everybody
lapis wadi
How immune is omniman to psionics
sacred ginkgo
He might also get bitch slapped by emprah but it’s a coin flip
storm jungle
actually is there a big Invincible fan here
lapis wadi
If not, he dies. There are enough psykers to crush his mind into soup
storm jungle
what were the Viltrumites weak to again
median marsh
sound
crystal forum
i never read the comics but i love the show
storm jungle
If not, he dies. There are enough psykers to crush his mind into soup
I dont think a psyker can stop a person moving at the speed of sound 💀
median marsh
very high pitched noise disrupted an organ they had which let em balance while flying
lapis wadi
Maybe the custodes have some sonic guns lying around
storm jungle
very high pitched noise disrupted an organ they had which let em balance while f...
Gotcha
because yeah these guys are like superman mixed with space marines almost
normal light
Maybe the custodes have some sonic guns lying around
CALL IN NOISE MARINES
lapis wadi
I dont think a psyker can stop a person moving at the speed of sound 💀
Sure, why not?
Not like you need line of sight. Just what their mind feels like
median marsh
they have varying degrees of strength but even weaker viltrumites can wreck a fuckton of shit
storm jungle
Lucan literally breaks omniman's back with an air-dropkick while holding his disemboweled guts in his loincloth
💀
lapis wadi
Even the Reject psyker can get a glimpse of their target and then hide in cover as they focus on impoding their brain
median marsh
Invincible gets like, literally gutted and still survives
crystal forum
because yeah these guys are like superman mixed with space marines almost
entire planets far beyond the tech of humanity have tried killing viltronites and failed. there's literally an alliance of planets that cant do shit
storm jungle
YEP
crystal forum
they're just built different
storm jungle
it gets funnier later in the comics
crystal forum
no spoil pls
lapis wadi
Lots would be destroyed, but 40k does have literal actual genuine magic
i assume it'd work
median marsh
"How do i breathe in space?"
"you dont"
storm jungle
I mean so does Invincible's universe
median marsh
storm jungle
Viltrumites can still overcome it
median marsh
Invincible had like
storm jungle
like you cannot blow someones head up when their fist is through your skull 💀
lapis wadi
Oh okay he's punched wizards too
gray umbra
Idk i think doomrider has a chance
lapis wadi
I recind my argument
storm jungle
LMAO
crystal forum
the flying around thing really changes everything
storm jungle
yeah Invincible is literally Marvel/DC combined
crystal forum
if you do manage to overpower a viltrumite they can just fly away lol
storm jungle
also yeah Omniman alone himself literally wiped out an entire species lol
median marsh
comic books have some of the most insane plots ever concieved
like fucking D.C. zombies eating the entire universe then breaching into other universes
thanoscopter
radiant lance
Viltrumites literally get gutted and then just come back to kill you
normal light
also yeah Omniman alone himself literally wiped out an entire species lol
Khorne corruption, why not?
crystal forum
multiverse theory has lead to the most lazy writing i've ever seen tbh
median marsh
people becoming omnipotent on regular basis
sacred ginkgo
If he gets khorned everybody looses
crystal forum
i love when comic books always try to raise the stakes so eventually you have villains trying to kill all the universes
crystal forum
like that's not how infinity works
normal light
that`s enough
radiant lance
multiverse theory has lead to the most lazy writing i've ever seen tbh
Oh yeah. There's Armstrong
sacred ginkgo
Everybody except khorne
normal light
Everybody except khorne
WELL IT`S THEIR PROBLEM
radiant lance
Only one dude can open multiverse portals, so he just met a ton of his multiverse copies and just merged consciousness with them
normal light
It`s to Tzeentch, Slaanesh and Nurgle to kill this ultra-killing machine
radiant lance
Levi Armstrong I think?
normal light
But I think Tzeentch will dispose it pretty quick
median marsh
yeah Levi
crystal forum
Only one dude can open multiverse portals, so he just met a ton of his multivers...
i like that though. at least they explain that he's the only version of himself that has powers. still though idk if writers realize how opening up your story to the idea of infinity makes things very stupid
crystal forum
the idea of multiple universe means if you could even quantify infinity then you'd have a certain, probably large, chance of arriving in a universe where the speed of light is 0.00001ms slower and nothing works the same as ours
radiant lance
Depends on how you make a multiverse
crystal forum
why even use the idea of a multiverse to begin with then? idk how it also doesn't work to just go full meta with it and say that it's different fictional settings
radiant lance
The original quantum mechanics is that when a particle changes, all other potential final states or locations were just rotated out and still exist as a separate timeline/universe
Well, when a particle is interacted with to cause the wave function to collapse
So a multiverse with the QM rules would have the same physics as ours
crystal forum
yeah then you'd have an infinite amount of universes where everything is the exact same except an air molecule went in a slightly different direction
radiant lance
Just that the time and space coordinates are rotated to say the least
median marsh
my favorite theory that due to law of probability theres an insanely microscopic chance that theres an exact copy of me doing exactly the same thing im doing right now somewhere else, and if universe is infinite then that chance is technically 100%
radiant lance
yeah then you'd have an infinite amount of universes where everything is the exa...
Now apply it to a neuron firing differently to cause someone to make a different decision
crystal forum
it's infinity. even if i could try to apply it i just can't physically imagine it
radiant lance
I think the multiverse hypothesis is absolute bullshit useless metaphysics and not worthy of actual scientific discussion, but it's certainly neat
crystal forum
same
radiant lance
it's infinity. even if i could try to apply it i just can't physically imagine i...
I just imagine the math tbh
And how matrices work
normal light
they mostly just don`t make sense
crystal forum
i just think it's lazy writing because "bro technically this is cannon because of the multiverse"
radiant lance
And what the rotation matrix looks like for various coordinate systems
normal light
and are there so you can parasite on old ideas
from writing stand point
and other stuff like games
versed ledge
So on an imperial ship, how do they sustain entire city size population?
I mean in rogue trader, the lower deck "personnel" state they have children there, which would imply whole families and what is in essence a community
sacred ginkgo
Fairly sure you can maintain genetic diversity with 25,000
radiant lance
Quantum mechanics is built on an infinite dimension thing called the Hilbert space to actually perform calculations
sacred ginkgo
And if not you have press gangs
radiant lance
Aka just adding more rows and columns to a giant matrix
crystal forum
because you cant predict exactly what the state of an electron is until you observe it right
versed ledge
Yeah, but the sheer logistics of it all, food, power, lodging, water, and oxygen supply
Do they grow food in house?
radiant lance
because you cant predict exactly what the state of an electron is until you obse...
It exists as probability until interaction (observation)
sacred ginkgo
Do they grow food in house?
No idea
radiant lance
Which lives in a Hilbert space
sacred ginkgo
Probably not
versed ledge
Or have a means of sewage treatment and recycling
crystal forum
i find that so fucked. the idea that information is what even decides how something exists
sacred ginkgo
You just make frequent enough stops
radiant lance
i find that so fucked. the idea that information is what even decides how someth...
Well, we define information as things we observe, measure, and whatnot
crystal forum
outside of quantum physics you observe a natural phenomenon while it's happening. meanwhile if you dont look at an electron it could be literally anything. i just dont get it
radiant lance
Don't worry. No one else does either. We just do the math and it works
The interpretation of the wave function is one of those things people debate on
That's where the multiverse theory is
versed ledge
Can the multiverse be observed though
radiant lance
Everyone just uses the Copenhagen interpretation and moves on in life
radiant lance
Can the multiverse be observed though
Probably not.
crystal forum
that's like asking what's outside the universe. i got a very patronizing response from a mathmatician once for asking that
radiant lance
It's an ill-defined question
It's asking for a number that isn't a real number (1, pi, 5.6, 3/4, etc)
The universe contains everything that exists
median marsh
i wanna know all about the wacky things that are in the universe before trying to peek outside of it
we often find things that originally were thought to be impossible
crystal forum
i like how 1 +1 = 2 is a genuinely complicated thing to explain in pure math
radiant lance
Depends on where you start
If you start from nothing, it's a pain
But assuming you have access to set theory,.it's a lot easier
Consider a set like this {1, 2, 3, 4}, it contains the numbers 1, 2, 3, 4
It has a cardinality which is the count of thingies in it
So it has cardinality 4
Consider this set {}
It is the null set that contains nothing in it
Its cardinality is 0
So what if we a set that contains the set containing the null set
{{}}
Its cardinality is 1
When you take the union of something, you put together all the things two sets have without repeating things
eg {1,2} u {2,3,4} = {1,2,3,4}
So what if we made a set containing the set containing the set that contains nothing?
{ { {} } }
And what if unioned the first nested set with the second one?
{{}} u {{{}}} = { {{}}, {{{}}} }
We'd have a set with two thingies in there that are distinct
So we define addition to be the change of cardinality when distinct sets
I'd use the actual null set character but I'm too lazy to actually find the character
It gets a lot more complicated when you take less assumptions like "set theory exists" because now you need to make set theory from even less things
Which is why the principica mathematica is like 53 pages of shit to get to 1+1=2
I majored in pure math btw
If it wasn't palpable
radiant lance
Addition is adding up number of thingies in group when you get two groups of stuff and put them together.
If you had two groups of people, and combine them to make one group, you add the people together to get the size of the new group
It's just that we started with nothing, so all we know is a group containing nothing at first
median marsh
Math kills me
crystal forum
is it like math for engineering where you forget that shit immediately after your last exam
because i dont know how i passed any of that stuff
radiant lance
It's the process that's important tbh. Building logic and how to learn and whatnot
That's priceless
You might forget it, but how to get there is like learning a bike
Relearning what you learned takes seconds or a quick google
crystal forum
right yeah
at least that's what we tell ourselves in hopes that the pain was worth it
tough haven
What is the best archetype for jae to take?
I have a grand strategist from pascal, a vanguard from abelard and a master tactician from cassia
green loom
I like Master Tactician
gray umbra
I run pascal as bounty hunter, jae as master tact and cassia as strat
Abelard vanguard
Me and argenta as arch militants
versed ledge
I myself, have no idea what I'm doing when leveling up in rogue trader
If something causes more damage and allows me send more rounds down range, I pick
arctic talon
I myself, have no idea what I'm doing when leveling up in rogue trader
Try and break the action economy 
also psykers have stuff that boost their psyker rating really far down and annoying to find
gray umbra
Most turn based games can be broken once you learn how to abuse turn economy. The less turns the enemy can take the better chance you just win
versed ledge
Best way to do that with a soldier class?
gray umbra
Arch militant, abuse wildfire to gigastack versatility
arctic talon
combine focused fire and uh
the one that makes rapid fire broken
also take Arch Militant
because that shit completely shatters the action economy
gray umbra
Unload at the enemy and crit every shot for 100 crit damage
gray umbra
Also abuse cassia and jae so you can use wildfire like 3 times
With extra turns
And you just annihilate everything
Double office = two free turns
And with ultimate ability thats another full tirn
sacred ginkgo
Arch militant 3 rounds into the fight being unhittable in melee, shattering the action economy, having terrifying DPS, and higher accuracy then a souped up sniper
gray umbra
Abelard just needs to scream at enemies with taunt and turn defensive stance on
green loom
Need more stormtrooper armour
gray umbra
Operatice pasqual uses expose weakness to remove all enemy armor
arctic talon
Cassia is broken as shit on her own ngl
the navigator abilities
are fucking absurd
sacred ginkgo
then take bounty hunter as pasqal to remove even more armor
gray umbra
Lidless stare is hilarious
sacred ginkgo
then give him a melta
gray umbra
I gave pasqal in my current playthrough the dark marchesa plasma
sacred ginkgo
are fucking absurd
15 wounds per turn, +68 toughness and willpower, vaporize a fucker instantly, willpower forever
gray umbra
My rt is running hotshot lasgun and argenta runs heavy bolter/multi melta
crisp heath
How did the emperor get so big and strong? I know the glowing golden being isn’t his true form and he was originally a human. So how does he go blow for blow with massive ork’s and Horus?
sacred ginkgo
also instantly repair the veil
arctic talon
How did the emperor get so big and strong? I know the glowing golden being isn’t...
Biomancy
Also he was built better
crisp heath
Biomancy?
sacred ginkgo
He is thinking so hard he can change his bodies chemistry
arctic talon
^
crisp heath
That’s what I was wondering if pyskers were able to augment their strength with their physic powers
sacred ginkgo
so he can become a completely different person in like a second
crisp heath
That’s kinda crazy
sacred ginkgo
He can also do that to you
crisp heath
So can Magnus do this too? Just turn 100 feet tall and rko a knight?
celest dome
Would a Blank not see the modified appearance with a Biomancy changed appearance? Where with illusion they would ?
crisp heath
Question, who went to the funeral at Footfall, and chose to go into the crematorium? Next question, if you did so, who did you choose to go in the sewage lolol?
sacred ginkgo
Abelard
crisp heath
Lol I chose to go myself and got an achievement for it... generally the type to not ask anyone to do something I wouldn't do lol
Also, for ork’s I know the more powerful their waagh is and the stronger their leaders are they start to become smarter and more dangerous
Is this like a generational thing with new spores or will ghaz start speaking high gothic over time
sacred ginkgo
Abelard complains before you ask him but when you do he just goes: "For Von Valancius!" and does it
crisp heath
Lolol I can totally see him doing it
I also love him when we walk up to it and he's all "I'm to old for this sh-"
Lol felt old man, felt
sacred ginkgo
I have no idea how Theadora lived that long with a basic ass frigate as a flagship
crisp heath
He’s a better pilot then you😎
I have never played rogue trader and probably never will turn based combat is scary
@crisp heath it's definitely different...
It's my first go at it
So after the galaxy was United and the great crusade was won, would the emperor have killed the primarchs (except Magnus) or do you think they would have remained
They are very powerful entities and we’re shown to have free will and disagreed with the emperor which I don’t think he is fond of
celest dome
Well they weren't made with the same structure as the Thunder warriors. So I would say they would have been given specific task after that
crisp heath
Night lord police stations set up on worlds 
gray umbra
Depends on which inconsistent iteration of big e you believe in i guess
Personally not all of them
Broken ones for sure
People like roboute def not
On the other hand the primarchs aren't pure human and were created through some level of warp fuckery
radiant lance
What if all the primarchs had access to licensed and well trained therapists?
crisp heath
I think angron would have just died a really sad and scared man then
radiant lance
Would the Horus heresy have happened?
crisp heath
Oh for sure
crisp heath
Robot gorrilaman would have started it
gray umbra
He tried therapy and boom he starts a rebellion
radiant lance
gray umbra
Facts
crisp heath
I'm literally stuck... I'm at the final fight of the funeral and every time I win and it goes to a loading screen, the game immediately crashes...
It's done it four times now....
Win the fight easily... can't do anything about this...
crisp heath
Idk... it's literally not letting me past this point and I'm kinda softlocked into it...
gray umbra
that kind of sucks
rose thorn
Ladies, theys, and gentlemen, I finally bought dark tide
I have avoided spoilers
I’ll literlaly he playing blue
Blind*
Be*
I am so proud of my self
rose thorn
Yee I just need to download it 
dusk patrol
You can spoil Darktide?
gusty mulch
Ladies, theys, and gentlemen, I finally bought dark tide
Eyy congrats!
rigid dune
What is the deal with the deathcorps of kreig? Like what do they do compared to other regiments? I dont understand. The rambo guys are easy to see what they do, but from what I am getting about the kreig guys is that they are good at dying?
green loom
They die and are annoying
rose thorn
What is the deal with the deathcorps of kreig? Like what do they do compared to ...
they dont fear death, and love the most paifnula nd horrible battles
green loom
People like them because they're vaguely WW1 coded
rose thorn
the longer the war the better they do
rose thorn
People like them because they're vaguely WW1 coded
yea this too
rigid dune
So they are basicky masochists?