as I said in game it most likely will have high damage but short ammo
#40k-lore-chat
grave sparrow
I mean bolter does alright against single target carapace, but it doesn't really cut through hordes of em. Bolter would be a lot more versatile too compared to a melta
pale onyx
exactly, but it is powerful enough to make its own daemons and give minor blessings to other sisters. So a full emperor will ddawn a new age for humanity
crisp heath
Sure. And it'd be even more powerful with his full soul, so much so its thought he could singlehandedly fight the four chaos gods easily for this exact reason
But until then, it's just a shallow shade
velvet imp
I mean bolter does alright against single target carapace, but it doesn't really...
ya Bolter is something I will take in Darktide for versatility since it can be good in both close and long range
Melta, if they follow the design commonly used, may focus more on high damage close range shot and their giant spray shots
grave sparrow
The Emperor was already a god tier psyker (that could probably already make demons/saints), the prayers do help feed fragments of his soul, likely the ones in the warp, but the psykers fed to him on terra more or less alleviate the pyskic toll of operating the astonomicon
celest dome
"commonly used"
Only SM1 had it as a shotgun
crisp heath
@pale onyx this should speak more to the power and importance of the Emperor's soul in comparison
crisp heath
The Emperor was already a god tier psyker (that could probably already make demo...
Also this
celest dome
Should be a heat beam weapon according to lore
velvet imp
"commonly used"
Only SM1 had it as a shotgun
multiple types based on game though.
crisp heath
melta guns are basically welding machines from hell
velvet imp
Rogue trader on the other hand used all concepts of Melta guns
though it depends on which one you equip
grave sparrow
Aren't melta charges like... also pretty quiet? The just break down molecules at an atomic level lol
crisp heath
... break down molecules at atomic levels.... you mean nukes right?
Yea... I think those are quiet
pale onyx
<@181995208001585154> this should speak more to the power and importance of the ...
yeah that's true
crisp heath
Lolol kidding
grave sparrow
Idk, I just remember in one of the books they used melta charges to break through a blast door and it wasn't like a loud bang, it just melted through it
velvet imp
Aren't melta charges like... also pretty quiet? The just break down molecules a...
well they are certainly great for opening doors and making ones
grave sparrow
I don't think nurgle cultists would care about cancer
velvet imp
Cancer grenades sound really based
I don't think the Emperor will allow that
even he has standards
crisp heath
Sounds like one of the silly weapons the US tried to make in World War 2
warm notch
I mean
It’s technically radiation poisoning
But giving the enemies of mankind cancer sounds funnier
grave sparrow
weren't there a few radiation weapons that the imperium banned lol
But the admech is like "kek the flesh is weak, especially to cancer, get fucked"
pale onyx
Cancer grenades sound really based
Enter plaguemarine recruitment message
crisp heath
Literally just some cesium in a jar that you throw at people lolol
warm notch
Someone proposed replacing smoke grenades with rad grenades lmao
Because, well, smoke grenades are kinda troll
grave sparrow
I have a buddy who runs em, honestly they're kinda dope as long as people are pinging enemies or if the vet has a highlight ability
crisp heath
This again^
Just depends on the team and how cohesive they are
Half the time I feel like I can't see shit anyway lol
arctic talon
weren't there a few radiation weapons that the imperium banned lol
But the adme...
Imperium doesn't like nukes because they cause fallout and kill everything
the admech loves nukes because they cause fallout
crisp heath
😆
spring cairn
i hate the admech
grave sparrow
admech is like 90% of the reason the imperium is even relevant
crisp heath
Well... they do like nukes.... just REALLY, REAAAAAALLY big ones
Like... the planet destroying kind
pale onyx
Imperium doesn't like nukes because they cause fallout and kill everything
Nukes are barbaric. unlike the holy exterminatus
spring cairn
admech is like 90% of the reason the imperium is even relevant
also 90% of the "what the fuck is that" in the imperium
arctic talon
Well... they do like nukes.... just REALLY, REAAAAAALLY big ones
lol true
warm notch
Just depends on the team and how cohesive they are
Fine I’ll give them a try
arctic talon
The imperium would be fucked up without the admech
the admech is just
usually some of the worst of it lol
spring cairn
lot's of fucked up shit can be traced back to the admech
grave sparrow
Nukes are barbaric. unlike the holy exterminatus
Yeah, the life eater virus is definitely the most humane way to cleanse a planet of all life 
crisp heath
I mean......
mild rapids
Nurgle definately approves of the life eater virus
pale onyx
actually he doesnt
grave sparrow
I think the Life Eater virus would annihilate even nurgle worshippers
molten swan
I prefer the obliterator virus 
pale onyx
because it leaves nothing to rot or decay which creates new (fucked up) life
spring cairn
eat that nurgle
crisp heath
I'm not sure of it's symptoms.... but like.... have you seen an exterminatus? One continent basically dies immediately, meanwhile the atmosphere catches fire and people across the planet literally start baking as a Shockwave travels around the planet hundreds of thousands of times, turning everything to slurry. Finally the fires catch up, and everything is burned to fine radioactive ash.
pale onyx
I'm not sure of it's symptoms.... but like.... have you seen an exterminatus? On...
so holy
molten swan
yeah it turns the world dead
grave sparrow
Pretty much that. The virus turns everything living into a gas, which when ignited creates a planetwide firestorm
crisp heath
Life Eater virus fuels Nurgle so much that the inquisition tried to get the Imperium to stop using them
That's why cyclonic torpedoes are used now
pale onyx
nurgle roposes the genva convention
crisp heath
Virus bombs were massively scaled back after the heresy
versed ledge
How does it fuel big grandpa ?
crisp heath
How does it fuel big grandpa ?
There's a short story where a world gets exterminatus'd with virus bombs
.... it doesn't take a rocket scientist
and all the dead come back as plague zombies lmao
spring cairn
how
arctic talon
Nurgle loves the life eater virus
grave sparrow
I feel like virus bombing would not fuel nurgle as it breaks down organic matter into gaseous viruses
spring cairn
there shouldn't be bodies left
arctic talon
I feel like virus bombing would not fuel nurgle as it breaks down organic matter...
Its because it breaks down organic matter
versed ledge
and all the dead come back as plague zombies lmao
If that's the case, couldn't they just nuke the planet to oblivion?
crisp heath
@grave sparrow it doesn't matter... it's contagion.
grave sparrow
but what would be left for nurgle 😦
pale onyx
so ik its heresy to even know about chaos but since theres a gianat rift in real space and daemons are way more frequent. Have they chilled on that or nah
crisp heath
Their souls
crisp heath
There's also a plague marine who is powered by the life eater virus
molten swan
the rift is slightly more chilled i'd say yeah
arctic talon
how does it makes plague zombies
Because warp bullshit
crisp heath
arctic talon
the chaos gods literally do not play by the rules of the materium
spring cairn
more like gw bullshit
mild rapids
Pretty sure they said in one of the Ciaphas Cain novels they dont use em as much cos it powers Nurgle
pale onyx
I mean chilled on killing ppl for knowing about chaos
arctic talon
arctic talon
I mean chilled on killing ppl for knowing about chaos
tbf its kind of hard to hide
pale onyx
yeah
molten swan
it says virus bombs were replaced mostly by cyclonic torpedo's
pale onyx
exactly, so im assuming they aren't executing ppl for knowing about chaos then
crisp heath
They still go after people for knowing too much
arctic talon
^
grave sparrow
I mean I think most people would know about the immaterium as it's a vital part of Imperial Logistics and travel, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they'd know about chaos or the entities in it
arctic talon
Theres a difference between knowing Daemons are real we must kill them all
versed ledge
Or we can work with them and use them.for.our benefits
arctic talon
to this is a Bloodthirster its a greater daemon of khorne that requires a large ammount of bloodshed to summon ect.
crisp heath
The official line is "yeah there's something bad in the warp and some people think they're gods, those people are evil." Knowing more than that can get you killed.
molten swan
they know about chaos basically now yeah
pale onyx
I mean they can always say "Kill anything that doesn't look human" which is the imperium way. but what about sneaky demons that possess or hide among us
arctic talon
tbh
molten swan
cant really hide it after cadia lol
crisp heath
No... this isnt gw bullshit. Nurgle is god of life, death, and plague. Most of his illnesses kill you outright too. It doesn't matter what happens after to the bodies, the fact a whole world succumbed to horrific disease fuels him just as much as a civil war in the imperium fuels Khorne. Like.... it doesn't have to be directly related... it never had
versed ledge
The official line is "yeah there's something bad in the warp and some people thi...
Inquisition being dicks like that, why must they bar research
arctic talon
No... this isnt gw bullshit. Nurgle is god of life, death, and plague. Most of h...
Khorne 🤓
crisp heath
Thank you
arctic talon
Khaine is the Eldar god of war and bloodshed and slightly less psycopathic
molten swan
thought eldar were invading
crisp heath
I think people underestimate how big the Imperium is. Even with the great rift open, most people will go their entire lives without ever seeing a daemon or an actual chaos cult
arctic talon
Dark Eldar
crisp heath
@arctic talon my bad
arctic talon
its an all you can eat buffet lol
arctic talon
<@255478624851853312> my bad
nah its not your bad lol
its meant to sound similiar
and be somewhat confusing lol
crisp heath
Shit gets me often lolol
grave sparrow
I was gonna say, a large portion of the Imperium probably dont' even know what sort of Xenos exist
arctic talon
Tbh
pale onyx
I like Eldar. How they cna dodge so often. Like in rogue trader, couldn't land a hit on them. Until I burst fired twice with 9 bullets into eldar. Dodged like 7 bullets then ate shit and died
arctic talon
they get taught in propaganda usually about the basics of "the foul xenos"
molten swan
I think people underestimate how big the Imperium is. Even with the great rift o...
you can see the map of the entire imperium with the great rift tbf, tons of worlds are very close to a warp storm or the rift itself, which leads to mutations, chaos shenanigans, cults, etc
arctic talon
I like Eldar. How they cna dodge so often. Like in rogue trader, couldn't land a...
Their nervous system and brain is in fact just built better then the average human
which is why they can do shit like that
storm jungle
I like Eldar. How they cna dodge so often. Like in rogue trader, couldn't land a...
Same reason a half-starved cultist can dodge 10 bullets when you are standing right infront of him, its a bullshit game
molten swan
but some worlds will still not see daemons yeah, just a bit less rare than m41
storm jungle
arctic talon
Same reason a half-starved cultist can dodge 10 bullets when you are standing ri...
owlcat moment
crisp heath
lmao in Rogue Trader, there's a space station called footfall where the civilians have set up a "freak show". They're trying to pass a human mutant off as a drukhari, spelt "Droo Karree"
storm jungle
but jokes aside yeah Eldar are literally superior to humans biology wise
versed ledge
Same reason a half-starved cultist can dodge 10 bullets when you are standing ri...
Point blank with a shotgun in rogue.trader be like that
crisp heath
In trying to work up the courage to slog through it... but all the crashes on Xbox have been killing me...
versed ledge
Better, you somehow shoot and incapacitate your friends
crisp heath
Eldar are superior to humans in most ways, the tradeoff is they can get PTSD from a paper cut
pale onyx
but jokes aside yeah Eldar are literally superior to humans biology wise
they can't dodge 9 bullets in a row tho. #Blessed
versed ledge
Eldar are superior to humans in most ways, the tradeoff is they can get PTSD fro...
All the more reason to bully those knife ears
molten swan
when they dodge my SoB with a flamer and im like ??
crisp heath
I mean... sadly they had a creator and humans didn't in 40k lolol
molten swan
I shot twice and they both missed while the flame animation was going through them 💀
versed ledge
DODGED MY HEAVY-MELTA BLAST
At least it was direct energy weapons, I had a cultist dodge a flamer...A FLAMER
crisp heath
Intelligent design of elders vs the soft pudgy wtf design of humans
molten swan
that cultist was just blessed
crisp heath
Lol yeah, I'd say theyre better
I'm fine with it because it goes both ways. Argenta dodges literally everything you throw at her once you get her good perks.
storm jungle
so ik its heresy to even know about chaos but since theres a gianat rift in real...
Also it hasn't for the most part but the knowledge is basically out and about in most parts of the galaxy.
In one Warzone the Inquisition rounds up Space Marines, Sisters of Battle, Skitarii, and Guardsman and takes care of all of them.
In the case of Astartes and Sisters they mindwipe them without killing them, on the case of the Guardsman thousands of them are executed or sent to penal camps, Skitarii meanwhile also get lobotimized even more or mindwiped also to forget they even saw a massive Death Guard invasion or a daemon Primarch.
inb4 they get sent to another warzone and just see daemons again
versed ledge
Also it hasn't for the most part but the knowledge is basically out and about in...
This, WHY
crisp heath
Yea. I think at this point it's an open secret. Many of the common citizens have probably heard tales but whisper it quietly for fear of heresy
storm jungle
Yes
crisp heath
But I'd think most have an idea of the hostility and some of the shit they face
versed ledge
All those guardsmen now have experience and knowledge to better combat the horrors of the warp, why kill the veterans?!
storm jungle
This, WHY
because as everyone forgets
the Imperium is stupid
why do you guys want them to act sensibly
versed ledge
Because they're the only human faction?
crisp heath
Dilara may I post a guardman joe meme 🥺
storm jungle
crisp heath
@versed ledge because all of them are also probably corrupted from said experiences
It's relevant 🥺
versed ledge
Fair point, we team up with the devil because the alternative is so much more worse
storm jungle
Fair point, we team up with the devil because the alternative is so much more wo...
Its equally worse tbh
the Imperium is basically chaos without the demons
and vice versa
versed ledge
Well, Tau'va conquers all
crisp heath
Are humans
grave sparrow
If only prospero stayed around, then we could have cafes that take your order by reading your mind 😦
crisp heath
It's lore inaccurate
crisp heath
🤣
Magos: "Look at the horrors Chaos inflicts. They will warp your mind until your will is no longer your own, they will corrupt your body and turn it into little more than a weapon. These creatures are changed and profaned, and will live centuries longer than nature would otherwise allow, but will do so with no mind, or a mind that only suffers. Send in the combat servitors."
IRONY
Lol
Gotta love it
arctic talon
versed ledge
I mean to be fair, servitors are easy to get desensitized to
Plus cyborg servants are cool
grave sparrow
except for the one in the Gav and Bob story 😭
crisp heath
Lol true. But the irony is how their will is also taken, their bodies altered against their will and also turned into little more than a weopon
grave sparrow
God bless you fan made story character Tala
arctic talon
people just accept their existance
have ya'll done the uh
inheretince quest
in Rogue Trader
crisp heath
The pirate one?
versed ledge
Nope, still dicking around in the first area
crisp heath
I haven't even got past minoris because it keeps crashing
arctic talon
The pirate one?
Yeah
spring cairn
everything is easy to get desensitised to when the scale is so large
versed ledge
Got my tech priest and navigator, both give me bad vibes
storm jungle
Magos: "Look at the horrors Chaos inflicts. They will warp your mind until your ...
pin worthy
🏅
arctic talon
||the reveal its a fucking servitor that had her consciousness kept intentionally is super fucked||
crisp heath
I didn't figure out what was going on with "repetence" or whatever the word was but I definitely stole that dead guy's money
spring cairn
a billion humans dead in a day, it's nothing
spring cairn
already 3 billions born
arctic talon
I didn't figure out what was going on with "repetence" or whatever the word was ...
Spoiler alert ||its the servitor lol||
storm jungle
"well i wouldnt mind living in a civilized world" have clearly never lived in poverty before lol
arctic talon
||she's the one getting the inheritance because the guy felt bad for doing that to her 💀 ||
Turns out he did have a uh
tiny shrivled up
black heart
crisp heath
||the reveal its a fucking servitor that had her consciousness kept intentionall...
I got one like this but a bit different. I had a bunch of servitors on the ship malfunction. They all had gained sentience again. Lol they started mimicking my character, and when I had one dissected, they all vibrated in fear lol. Ended up giving them swift mercy
versed ledge
COOL
crisp heath
Lmao yeah I'm glad I took the money then, what's a servitor going to spend it on
I also executed the son in front of his daughter so she didn't get any ideas about taking my money
Damn... that's cold lol
storm jungle
yeah thats the best part of 40k
dusk patrol
I just stole the money
storm jungle
half the time 90% of the people you kill are assholes
dusk patrol
Was only like 1 profit factor anyways
versed ledge
So you can have a servitor with their conscience still intact?
dusk patrol
Yeah
crisp heath
Lol the lack of remorse is refreshing
dusk patrol
But it’s not common
versed ledge
That is actually impressive
dusk patrol
Sometimes it’s intentional punishment
But not properly lobotomizing a servitor is a tech heresy punishable by
You guessed it
Servitorization
versed ledge
Wouldn't that improve the servitor's functionality?
arctic talon
No
crisp heath
Yes. Its not usual, but they can be made non lobotomized, or the lobotomy could fail or wear off over time
arctic talon
because they still can't control themselves
crisp heath
I got one like this but a bit different. I had a bunch of servitors on the ship ...
Yeah I got that one too, I ended up making them go back to work because the tech priest said they were lobotomized enough not to rebel
arctic talon
unless a malfunction occurs lol
storm jungle
Imagine you are stapled to a wall and can never move
crisp heath
It's usually a torturous experience
dusk patrol
Stuff like Arco-flagellants are intentionally aware because it’s a punishment
crisp heath
Yeah I got that one too, I ended up making them go back to work because the tech...
Sounds about right lol
versed ledge
Imagine you are stapled to a wall and can never move
Right...explains why most of us are against servitors here
Never realized it's that bad
dusk patrol
I am in the pro servitors party actually
green loom
Made myself some heretic bodyguards to make up for the loyalist comps 
crisp heath
Wouldn't that improve the servitor's functionality?
I'm sorry, I think my statement may have been confusing. No, it almost never makes their service better.
storm jungle
I am in the pro servitors party actually
Found the chinese agent
crisp heath
It's almost always extremely agonizing and traumatic
versed ledge
I am in the pro servitors party actually
I'm on the fence after hearing how horrible it is
arctic talon
I am anti servitor
however
I absolutely do not want them removed from the setting
versed ledge
On one hand we get cyborg servants, on the other hand... everything mentioned here
arctic talon
because they're sick
crisp heath
My ethos in Rogue Trader is "the Imperium is pretty bad, but I think I can make it worse"
One sec. I gotchu@versed ledge
arctic talon
Jae's special warehouse mission
would be easier without her
she did like half of abelards HP 💀
versed ledge
But on the other hand
Efficiency to the max and expendable assets
dusk patrol
A lot of 40k fans would probably have more brain activity after being lobotomized
crisp heath
But I highly suggest this
arctic talon
A lot of 40k fans would probably have more brain activity after being lobotomize...
me fr fr
crisp heath
Aeldari are the only good NPC allies, they mostly use melee so no friendly fire and their dodge makes them great meatshields
If you want a look into what it's like to be made into a servitor
dusk patrol
<@296504128748781570> https://youtu.be/ZPuo0ThnMqc?si=obLbRqg0WbR6hRaa
To be clear this is fan made
versed ledge
If you want a look into what it's like to be made into a servitor
Thanks my dude, this is so cool
arctic talon
The flesh and steel scene
dusk patrol
Generally the process would be more just “your brain gets popped and that’s it”
arctic talon
is even grosser ngl
dusk patrol
But yeah there’s better in universe examples
crisp heath
Lolol
dusk patrol
Aeldari are the only good NPC allies, they mostly use melee so no friendly fire ...
Even then one of them will pull a shuriken blaster out
crisp heath
I downloaded and read it
dusk patrol
And shred you up
grave sparrow
Oh, shit. Saw that got posted already
crisp heath
@arctic talon it's surprisingly similar to one of Abominations scenes
arctic talon
abomination prolly based off of it
dusk patrol
That’s probably because it’s heavily based off it
arctic talon
Flesh and Steel is a very good book
crisp heath
@arctic talon wouldn't doubt it
dusk patrol
Just dramatized
crisp heath
Probably right
dusk patrol
Also flesh and steel has a rare grav weapon appearance iirc
versed ledge
Because of curiousity, I am no gonna see if servitors are possible through chatgpt
crisp heath
Lol
arctic talon
I mean
you could make the worlds most fucked up robot
it would be disgusting and gross and a violation of like at least 20 different ethical rules
but you could probably do it
wintry scarab
So in rogue trader, is there any way of knowing that you are going into an area that you probably shouldn't be in? I just went into a hulk that has basic servitors that have more than double my health.
crisp heath
They made a bird servitor irl
arctic talon
So in rogue trader, is there any way of knowing that you are going into an area ...
Owlcat enjoys giving you the stick
versed ledge
Because of curiousity, I am no gonna see if servitors are possible through chatg...
It Said "don't"
arctic talon
LOL
spring cairn
I am in the pro servitors party actually
this unironically, the only bad thing is that most ppl who get it in 40k doesn't deserve it
crisp heath
Lol I've got no warnings like that. I walked into some sewers, which I mean I guess I shouldn't have been in sewers... but alls of a sudden a herald of tzeentch popped outta nowhere on me
||https://www.popsci.com/technology/taxidermy-bird-drone-robot/|| I'm spoiling it because it can be upsetting, but it's an article about a robot being made with bird parts
celest dome
They made a bird servitor irl
You mean Servitor that fly like Cherubs or Servitor that are made from Birds ? In which case there are Psy-Eagles
crisp heath
Birditors are real and we have to live with it
arctic talon
Lol I've got no warnings like that. I walked into some sewers, which I mean I gu...
Oh that one you can see coming tbf
crisp heath
Psy-eaglez?
crisp heath
Lol yea I know
crisp heath
Same lolol
celest dome
Psy-eaglez?
Psyber
crisp heath
Dude I wandered around that sewer for like an hour trying to find the daemon but I couldn't
I got all the messages saying it was there
arctic talon
Its the weird ass dead guyt
you need to make a warp check or smthing iirc
then his corpse fucking explodes into a tiny chicken
dusk patrol
So in rogue trader, is there any way of knowing that you are going into an area ...
Most enemies will have way way more health than you
Servitors in particular
They’re tanky
arctic talon
Tbh servitors at least aren’t the most dangerous generally speaking
dusk patrol
Yeah typically they’re pretty simple
versed ledge
But surprisingly very durable
Never expected a servitor to withstand las-bolts and bolter shots
winged jacinth
wow owlcat really archetype locked their characters again
i just got cassia but i'm already an officer, and i think she'd be good as an operative
dusk patrol
Archetype is a trap for Cassia
Ignore that shit
Just focus on her navigator powers
Use the base officer ability as is for her if you have AP left over
She’s legit the most powerful character in the game but you have to ignore her archetype
winged jacinth
yeah i saw all her talents
using her voice of command is actively bad for me though because (i assume) it sets the cooldown for my PCs much better voice of command
dusk patrol
Bring it down is the more useful power anyways
winged jacinth
its like, fine that shes an officer i guess but she'd actually get some mileage out of operative
dusk patrol
Officer is probably the strongest archetype in the game
winged jacinth
bring it down is definitely good
winged jacinth
i cant believe the "extra turn" talent takes its ap from your real turn its so bad
yeah you can guarantee a bring it down at the very start but im already pretty fast
actually i guess bring it down doubled up combined with the stacking willpower on extra turns thing is probably pretty good
dusk patrol
It snowballs fast trust me
crisp heath
omg I didn't realize this when I bought it but my new nail polish is a perfect tyranid purple
dusk patrol
Multiple officers is not a bad thing
crisp heath
Not sure what to do with that info
arctic talon
cassia’s archetype is the navigator archetype lol
dusk patrol
Cassia having bring it down is just butter
dusk patrol
winged jacinth
i also dont have to stack fellowship because my pc is a voidborn and can go int instead so i guess its pretty good
dusk patrol
Just basically this for a couple rounds
dusk patrol
i also dont have to stack fellowship because my pc is a voidborn and can go int ...
Just be aware that’s not always a good thing
Since officer relies on fellowship bonus for a lot
It doesn’t transfer your intelligence into a fellowship bonus
winged jacinth
ok ty for clarifying
ive played owlcat games before
i would not be surprised for the tooltip to just lie
dusk patrol
The Forgeworld one is you can sub intelligence for the persuasion/coerce type skills
crisp heath
"the tooltip lied" is an owlcat vibe
dusk patrol
There are some talents which just don’t work rn
winged jacinth
"the tooltip lied" is an owlcat vibe
this is what makes their stupid restrictions on respeccing so annoying lol
dusk patrol
Apparently lots of Deathworld ones have issues
winged jacinth
"you messed up one talent spend resources and then redo your entire build"
winged jacinth
and you should be able to go back one level at a time
dusk patrol
Half of which they half spec for you
winged jacinth
owlcat half specs...
dusk patrol
And they’re shit specs
crisp heath
I just give my characters perks based on vibes, I'm flourishing
dusk patrol
I managed to get this and use it
So now every fight is a boss fight
And I’m the boss
Arch-militant has a talent which gives -1 ap cost to melee if you get a ranged kill and vice versa
versed ledge
Random question about stats, so what does high logic even provide?
versed ledge
So basically IT support skills
velvet imp
So basically IT support skills
yep and you need it for a lot of things since it is one of the skills that allows you to unlock specific things and obtain specific lore dialogue that will provide benefits or unlock chests
coarse pumice
Can profit factor be farmed?
dusk patrol
Not that I’m aware but there’s a lot of ways to get it
arctic talon
The game gives more then you’ll ever need
But it’s still annoying
To have to spend it lol
arctic talon
How the fuck are a few mutants in xenos paint 3 profit factor
Yeah that one makes no fucking sense ngl
The entire inheritance of a famous brutal pirate lord is 1 profit factor
A bunch of mutants is 3
dusk patrol
Like I get profit factor is nebulous but the idea seems to be each point is an incalculable fortune for most people
arctic talon
Who the fuck is buying those mutants
Like ????
The ship probably press gangs more people every port they visit
dusk patrol
I just mercy killed them all
arctic talon
Then the number of mutants there are
velvet imp
Who the fuck is buying those mutants
as much as a meme the Imperium is, alot of it is mostly crime related things in civilian life
unless you live in one of the better condition worlds
arctic talon
as much as a meme the Imperium is, alot of it is mostly crime related things in ...
No but like
velvet imp
plenty of mutants being sold off for profit and plenty of heretical people in the criminal world to buy them for uses
arctic talon
Why is that worth 3 profit factor
dusk patrol
Mutants are not worth that much
arctic talon
^
storm jungle
Lmao chat in its Bezos Business phase
velvet imp
Why is that worth 3 profit factor
I'm think someone really needed specific types of mutants
dusk patrol
They didn’t
dusk patrol
He’s just using them for a side show attraction
Idk why I couldnt just execute him and take them tbh
arctic talon
real
velvet imp
well the non sacrifice profit way is the get the Crime Lord who runs the place to deal with him for you
dusk patrol
Its established that whichever RT is on Footfall is basically the dictator
dusk patrol
well the non sacrifice profit way is the get the Crime Lord who runs the place t...
We’re not talking about what you can do
arctic talon
well the non sacrifice profit way is the get the Crime Lord who runs the place t...
Why should I have to deal with scum when practically speaking I have infinite authority
dusk patrol
There’s a million things you could do if you could do anything
We’re talking about the way it’s presented
arctic talon
The rogue traders wore on footfall is law
There is a much better way it could have been presented
Imo
and the whole thing just sorta falls flat bcs of it
velvet imp
I can only guess he had far more mutants than what we saw and he ripped you off
dusk patrol
The only power check you have in this game is other Rogue Traders and that Inquisition and even with them you can ignore a lot
velvet imp
as he said if you return to him, he has plenty of supply due to how easy it is to find them
storm jungle
Its established that whichever RT is on Footfall is basically the dictator
It basically depends on what kind of dicktator you can be though, if you are an iconoclast one before the ending people actually love you lol
which i really liked
felt straight out of Pirates of the Carribbean
velvet imp
we are also in a place located far from the Imperium eyes
dusk patrol
I do like the Lord Inquisitors line about how he wasn’t even paying attention to footfall
arctic talon
we are also in a place located far from the Imperium eyes
Which is why your authority is even stronger
Lol
Your word is law even more so
velvet imp
so a lot of things get not noticed until someone important from the Imperium arrives
dusk patrol
“Mfer I’m trying to engineer a massive campaign with billions, I do not give a fuck shout this small station”
velvet imp
I do like the Lord Inquisitors line about how he wasn’t even paying attention to...
that is normal Inquisitor behavior for you
storm jungle
Also speaking of Footfall
Characters in Footfall talking to me:
Me too busy vibing to the level track:
velvet imp
as they say "always expect a Inquisitor to make things worse"
dusk patrol
I mean it’s realistic, he did not have time to rule the station
storm jungle
WHY is this track so fucking epic, jesus christ
arctic talon
Because footfall is supposed to make an impression
dusk patrol
It was a place to set up shot and direct for him that’s it
arctic talon
On the player
velvet imp
I mean it’s realistic, he did not have time to rule the station
well the Inquisitor is not even there to rule the place
just there for a very specific SPOILER reason I cannot say or it will spoil the Best Ending
storm jungle
oh yeah also not really spoilers but Calcazar is a dickhead way in over his head.
dusk patrol
Yes he says that although technically he’s in charge
But his point is he can’t be fucked with everything else going on
storm jungle
just there for a very specific SPOILER reason I cannot say or it will spoil the ...
||Did you get get Nomos to be your best God-Pal||
velvet imp
||Did you get get Nomos to be your best God-Pal||
only real good ending there is in this game
after all
storm jungle
Yeah I LOVED how good it is
||Literally all because you taught Nomos to be a good person and teach him basic morality||
velvet imp
of course Inquisitor was being a real jerk about the whole thing because XENOS!
storm jungle
Also like no offense his plan would realistically never work
||you cannot control a fucking c'tan shard lmao||
also one of the best lines in 40k
"ITS ONLY HERESY IF I LOSE!"
which to be honest, yeah fair
velvet imp
||you cannot control a fucking c'tan shard lmao||
that is the reason why the good ending option is there
arctic talon
"ITS ONLY HERESY IF I LOSE!"
Grindset
storm jungle
that is the reason why the good ending option is there
||I do love how he went through all that shit, meanwhile all we had to do in comparison was just be nice to a seperated Shard and boom, problem solved.||
||I think it very much is the perfect kind of irony||
storm jungle
I think my fav thing with him is when you pass the vibe check
and say his plan in english
he claps and congradulates you for getting it
proepr theatre stuff lmao
velvet imp
||I think it very much is the perfect kind of irony||
well to be fair, he does live by the Imperium way of life
dusk patrol
Yrielth is ok but she’s also a dumbass
velvet imp
so any form of kindess is seen as pointless and weak in his eyes
storm jungle
well to be fair, he does live by the Imperium way of life
||Well yeah thats the funny thing, he fucked around and found out.||
storm jungle
Yrielth is ok but she’s also a dumbass
Yrliet suffers from character assassination
dusk patrol
But fortunately she has, me, the bestest person ever
storm jungle
okay true
velvet imp
Yrliet suffers from character assassination
the whole "my culture is way too different" feels a bit too much here
storm jungle
lmao
arctic talon
Lol
storm jungle
the whole "my culture is way too different" feels a bit too much here
Basically it IS different, but the problem is they make her way too dislikable and hostile.
I wish she was a corsair instead, an Eldar whos a lot more open to the other people of the galaxy while still being a lovable asshat.
velvet imp
We get it the Eldar are different in culture but they could have tone it a bit down a bit
dusk patrol
Like legit she got me and the crew locked up in Commorragh, and she knew what she was doing to some extent.
arctic talon
Tbh you getting sent to hell comorroagh could have been done better
storm jungle
We get it the Eldar are different in culture but they could have tone it a bit d...
My friend who's pals with the main writer Olga said it was forced by GW
arctic talon
Yirlet dumb
storm jungle
More just "she has to be this archetype"
storm jungle
Just what i said basically
arctic talon
Lol
storm jungle
she had to act like a "normal" codex-intelligence eldar lol
arctic talon
Okay but that sort of betrayal still doesn’t make that much sense in universe
arctic talon
I would have expected us to have us get ambushed by normal eldar
dusk patrol
Idk it’s pretty in character for Eldar, especially since she’s so young.
arctic talon
Not fucking druhkari
storm jungle
Its really not
velvet imp
Basically it IS different, but the problem is they make her way too dislikable a...
I honestly wish her personality was more like Eldrathan from battlefleet Gothic Armada
storm jungle
she literally warns us about dark eldar at every turn
then trusts them for no reason
Eldar can be arrogant but this is moronic.
velvet imp
he was a real bro friend when it came down to things important against Heresy
arctic talon
Idk it’s pretty in character for Eldar, especially since she’s so young.
She hates the druhkari and tells us not to trust them constantly
dusk patrol
Eldrad is an exception often. But the point with her and the Drukhari makes sense tbh
arctic talon
I would have her rather send us to fucking Beil’tan
storm jungle
I honestly wish her personality was more like Eldrathan from battlefleet Gothic ...
DUDE
Eldrathain is a fucking gigachad.
dusk patrol
She’s just desperate as hell
arctic talon
But I feel like it would have been better to see more of it
storm jungle
lmao
storm jungle
The bad thing is this will also just make people resent eldar more
so its effects are even worse
lol
arctic talon
Meh
storm jungle
More for me 💀
dusk patrol
Idc much how it shapes opinions people aren’t gonna change their minds either way with this game
arctic talon
Okay maybe that’s because I’m a well adjusted sane person
storm jungle
its not exactly fun to have the only character that represents a faction to be a dumbass.
arctic talon
storm jungle
so this isnt exactly a "its harmless" issue lol
arctic talon
True
velvet imp
Idc much how it shapes opinions people aren’t gonna change their minds either wa...
it would not matter since it is more about the individual character and not the game as a whole
storm jungle
Yeah that too
velvet imp
a lot of the aspect of the game is decent and fun
dusk patrol
Most factions in this game don’t look good if you take their reps form your crew
arctic talon
lol
dusk patrol
Pascal is very naive
forest orbit
^
velvet imp
just certain aspect may not be desired
dusk patrol
Eldar aren’t some perfect faction, they also have dumbasses and make plenty of dumb choices.
forest orbit
Also people literally blame Eldar for everything when the Imperium is a lot worse. Yrliet's characterisation is very bad and doesn't make a lot of sense in many regards.
velvet imp
Yeah because its the Imperium
I say it is more because we are far from Imperium influence zone so it is mostly up to us how the region is like
forest orbit
people are literally calling her homophobic lmao
dusk patrol
All the companions make dumb choices or poor decisions because their prejudices or blind spots
storm jungle
All the companions make dumb choices or poor decisions because their prejudices ...
Yeah but we arent talking about them rn
dusk patrol
Fortunately we are perfect so it ends up ok.
storm jungle
yeet
velvet imp
Rogue Trader is one aspect of the series that atleast allow things to go beyond the Meme of Factions due to how far from the Main regions of the series is
arctic talon
to fucking comorroagh lol
forest orbit
Yeah that too
arctic talon
Idk
dusk patrol
I’m saying all factions in the game have moments where they look dumb or clearly are not being rational and making the best choice
storm jungle
yep lmao
arctic talon
I’m saying all factions in the game have moments where they look dumb or clearly...
True
storm jungle
Idira can just
arctic talon
Actually Idira’s is still worse
storm jungle
die tbh
arctic talon
Her idiot choice is
dusk patrol
No faction looks good from this game especially if you don’t intervene for the best
arctic talon
By far the worst still tbh
velvet imp
Idira can just
she is ok once you help her move past her personal issues
arctic talon
she is ok once you help her move past her personal issues
She summoned daemons on board the ship
storm jungle
she is ok once you help her move past her personal issues
I stuck with her the entire time
i know it wasnt her fault but MAN
velvet imp
just have to get past her emo phase
arctic talon
She’s very very dangerous
dusk patrol
The fanbase are always gonna be dumbfucks it’s just how it is. Obviously I’ll push back but that’s how it’s gonna be.
arctic talon
But I’m keeping her around
dusk patrol
I’ve stuck with everyone cause I wanna see the ends
arctic talon
Ngl full dogmatic is
dusk patrol
Idira is getting capped next run
arctic talon
Or rather seems incredibly stupid
velvet imp
Ngl full dogmatic is
Dogmatic is more that Meme Imperium character anyways
forest orbit
With dogmatic you are basically having the IQ of your average fascist
storm jungle
^
velvet imp
most of the time you act like that Commisar seen most of the time in Meme videos
storm jungle
aka room temperature
dusk patrol
Maka whatever his Drukhari ass is called, just let the daemon eat him next run.
He’s not that good in combat smh.
dusk patrol
Yeah him
dusk patrol
I always forget how to spell it
arctic talon
he's utterly derranged
dusk patrol
I won’t lie his and the space wolf’s banter is funny too
They both roast each other a ton
storm jungle
I’m just waiting to see what the worst fate you can give him is
Its literally just
- Randomly shoot him
velvet imp
he's utterly derranged
that is just normal dark eldar behavior anyways.
dusk patrol
I was thinking you can let the daemon eat him
velvet imp
you can't expect a Dark Eldar to not be deranged
storm jungle
you can't expect a Dark Eldar to not be deranged
They CAN be fixed
dusk patrol
Still not quite good enough but
storm jungle
Nah
Ynnari gets a ton
it just varies
from like "I wanna be a good person but still kill sometimes to "Im here to have my soul saved and nothing else"
dusk patrol
I’d argue a lot of those aren’t in it for benevolent reasons
storm jungle
Nah most are
a short story also has an incubus and his retinue also pledge their service and show regret
every eldar is pretty unique in their own way
arctic talon
theres a solid chunk that def aren't
dusk patrol
Incubi are also the rare like halfway decent Drukhari Tbf in that they have some sense of honor even if they’re all pricks still.
dusk patrol
I don’t think they’re good
arctic talon
Well they do have their sense of "honor"
dusk patrol
But there’s at least some vague code
storm jungle
The Incubus in particular is very sadistic before he wants to change his life around in the short story
velvet imp
I found Heinrix to be one of the more interesting characters. Ya he does most of the time suggest more Dogmatic solutions but he can be reasonable enough to accept Iconoclast outcomes and even thanks you sometimes to remember who he is and why he fights against Heresy.
storm jungle
I found Heinrix to be one of the more interesting characters. Ya he does most of...
I romanced him because of that, hes very cute
he actually kisses you in your office when you escape commorragh
dusk patrol
Heinrix is great
storm jungle
he was THAT worried
velvet imp
his story also shows a bit of the more high risk side of the Inquisitor's work being their risk into being corrupted
dusk patrol
I honestly love all the companions though
dusk patrol
Even if some are dumbasses
storm jungle
Hes not just a "Yes man"
dusk patrol
They all have pretty interesting dialogue and takes on their factions
arctic talon
I honestly love all the companions though
They're all great in their own ways tbh
dusk patrol
I wish the Space Wolf was better in combat I really like his interjections
storm jungle
yeah Ulfar was uh
dusk patrol
It’s hard to justify taking him on the difficulty I’m on
storm jungle
originally suppose to be a black templar
REALLY glad they didnt go that route
lmao
I like BTs but having read like so much Sigismund shit they are about as bland as a fucking wall
dusk patrol
Tbh you can write them interesting it just depends, Argenta is a great example of it
It’s just writing
dusk patrol
This game a great example of how you just have to write characters good
storm jungle
also true
earnest snow
Argenta 
velvet imp
I wish the Space Wolf was better in combat I really like his interjections
shame he was not one of them who could use the whole thunder psyker powers
arctic talon
I really wish Ulfar was better in combat
dusk patrol
Like Argenta baseline is a really boring basic concept
velvet imp
would have been fun if we could have built him like Thor
dusk patrol
I really wish Ulfar was better in combat
I would bet he’s gonna be buffed
arctic talon
yeah
dusk patrol
Also his ability is broken
storm jungle
hes just a lil guy
dusk patrol
I’m convinced he’s got a lot of bugs tbh
storm jungle
stop bullying him
dusk patrol
But I love him
storm jungle
dusk patrol
He’s my athletic king
earnest snow
Bugs? You saying he got that tyranid in em?
earnest snow
Better not he should have that dawg in em
dusk patrol
Currently trying to get him a helmet
earnest snow
I wanna see that man bark when he gets angry
storm jungle
I wanna see that man bark when he gets angry
earnest snow
have you seen his beard
Yes and it's very bug infested I saw a young termagaunt crawl in it
crisp heath
So I’m reading a lot that when you lose your soul like the necrons did you can’t make art anymore
Does this also apply to technology
storm jungle
Necrons dont need to invent anything
crisp heath
Is necron tech still advancing if they find something better
earnest snow
Nah you just become stupid
storm jungle
they are literally at THE apex of their technology
earnest snow
Hell yeah
storm jungle
I think im gonna wait for all of them to be released then go back to it
crisp heath
<@296504128748781570> https://youtu.be/ZPuo0ThnMqc?si=obLbRqg0WbR6hRaa
@versed ledge hey, was curious if you'd had a chance to listen to that video I shared to you and what you thought?
storm jungle
want the whole plate
crisp heath
Still wanna be a servitor?
dusk patrol
Idk what kind of servitor
dusk patrol
Some would be maybe better than others
crisp heath
Only by a modicum at best...
Really the only way to make it seemingly bearable is to lobotomize them so much nothing else matters and they are basically braindead
dusk patrol
Well no matter what I’m not really there but I’m just saying there’s definitely worse options
crisp heath
Honestly I'm curious what you thinks worse? Like legit. The thought of being a servitor terrifies me.
tulip brook
make me one of those big gun servitors with tank treads
crisp heath
Ahh ok fair enough in that regard
dusk patrol
Or even just being a loader servitor or waiter servitor
Some stuff would suck a lot more basically
crisp heath
I meant just the general becoming of one is one of the most terrifying things the Imperium can do to you, no matter how you end up after
dusk patrol
Well ideally you just die fast
crisp heath
I thought you were saying there were other things they could do
dusk patrol
There is
tulip brook
I'm sure they can find more terrifying things
crisp heath
Right, I'm just not aware of them lol
crisp heath
Isn't that just a extreme type of servitor?
dusk patrol
crisp heath
And the penitent engines are more specifically for the sororitas I thought
dusk patrol
They’re for anyone who fucks up enough
Same with flagellants
But you generally have to be really really trying to do that bad
green loom
They'll just yoink you from the prison
crisp heath
Nah, I was pretty certain the penitants were solely sororitas
dusk patrol
Well you’re mistaken
crisp heath
The Archos are for everyone, sure...
dusk patrol
And I’m pretty sure you’re mistaken but idc if you believe it either way when I literally just posted art of a male one
tulip brook
they can pickle you in a jar and put you at the back of a ship so they can travel more comfortably
that sounds worse to me
crisp heath
Lol... bro... lose the attitude. I can be wrong about things lol. I wasn't pressing it, just thought it worked differently
mild rapids
They are in Battlesector. Definitely male pentient engines
dusk patrol
If someone is confidently incorrect multiple times in a row and is still questioning a point after literal images are shown refuting it I lose some charitability
Sue me
tulip brook
they can stick a demon inside you so they can order the demon around for some time, I can take being a servitor any day instead of deamonhost
crisp heath
I wasn't confidently you arrogant fucking prick. I said I pretty sure. And then stopped.
Now fuck off with the shitty ass attitude
dusk patrol
No. Anyways, yes there’s worse stuff than being servitorized.
crisp heath
😆 🤣 funny
dusk patrol
Penitent engine would be a good boss fight in RT come to think of it
Curious what the Arbites storyline will follow with corruption within some government thing
mild rapids
Being a Princeps for a Titan is pretty bad too
Eventually you are likely to be just in a vat of fluid
dusk patrol
It’s very mentally taxing but it is addicting
They basically become junkies for the sensation of controlling a titan
Which is why so many choose the vat
Just always stay plugged in
Warhounds and Reavers are the ones which might not be in the vat but basically all Warlord and above choose it
tulip brook
they cba with puny human perspective when they can be a giant ass murder machine
understandable
dusk patrol
Eventually they lose themselves to the machine though
tulip brook
we all die eventually, they lived as a blessed war engine
dusk patrol
Or die in combat
mild rapids
And Titans themselves can go a bit insane. Especially if they got pretty much destroyed in combat then recovered
dusk patrol
It’s hardly the worst existence
But it is hard
Also one of the rarest things someone can be in 40k
The ad mech values them absurdly high
arctic talon
The reveal aurora is a word bearer is still funny as shit to me ngl
dusk patrol
It’s very WWE
Theyre about to escape the plane- BY GOLLY ITS AURORA FROM THE TOP ROPES!
The name Aurora for a CSM is also just so like
Not intimidating
mild rapids
Aurora with the RKO from outta nowhere
crisp heath
Tbf
dusk patrol
Fun moment though
crisp heath
"The Aurora of Dusk" is a baller name
dusk patrol
It’s definitely a name a Word Bearer would come up with
arctic talon
The name Aurora for a CSM is also just so like
It’s very poetic for a csm name
But it’s fitting
sacred ginkgo
arctic talon
LOL
summer mural
whats luthor upto nowadays
arctic talon
Where was he
He walks out of the wreckage of the ship
but in terms of where he was hiding I have 0 fucking clue ngl
sewers I guess????????
arctic talon
whats luthor upto nowadays
Rambling about how the "Lion will forgive him" and gathering one of the largest groups of Fallen to date
dusk patrol
Dude the word bearers event annoyed me so much for worlds
Like, ffs let me go kill them
Put me in coach
I’m strong enough for your potions
summer mural
the lion might forgive him, last i read lion was just chatting up fallen
hasnt reunited with the actual dark angels where im at
arctic talon
Lion probably won't forgive Luthor
Luthor arguably went way too far for Lion to forgive
dusk patrol
He might forgive him but he’s going to kill him
summer mural
is luthor still juiced up on all the chaos steroids that got him to wound lion
mild rapids
But would he forgive Cypher
dusk patrol
His policy is he’ll try to absolve any of his sons who want to
But if they’re corrupted
Absolution is through death
dusk patrol
But would he forgive Cypher
Possibly, depends
But they still do the Fallen thing with hunting them
He just gives them a choice now and questions them himself
And then either absolves them or gives them back to the interrogators
mild rapids
is luthor still juiced up on all the chaos steroids that got him to wound lion
I don't think so. Luther is pretty much only alive because for most of the time in the rock he was kept in Stasis
dusk patrol
As we’ve last seen him yeah
He was “normal”
Quite repentant and upset about the whole thing too
crisp heath
My favorite thing about RT is that my character has encounter Drukhari multiple times now but never thought to ask them about ||the sun||
summer mural
probably sucks to be luther, couldnt become a marine and now theres primaris running around
dusk patrol
You can ask the Haemonculous
tough haven
My favorite thing about RT is that my character has encounter Drukhari multiple ...
Sun? Who needs it?
You mean that big bright git in the sky?
mild rapids
Blackhole sun won't you come
tough haven
Btw if I don’t use idira in my retinue, should I kick her off my ship?
crisp heath
I revoked her spine priviliges
storm jungle
Btw if I don’t use idira in my retinue, should I kick her off my ship?
Probably
I love her as a character but shes unstable as fuck
crisp heath
If you make a lot of dangerous warp jumps, she's worth getting rid of
dusk patrol
Btw if I don’t use idira in my retinue, should I kick her off my ship?
So it won’t like matter much story wise
It does restrict some options
stray bluff
What game?
dusk patrol
Especially for uh your colony choices and stuff
Idira comments a lot on those
But it depends on what you wanna do
crisp heath
Yrliet treats my colonies like they're her personal Sim City
dusk patrol
But she won’t like
Blow up your ship
As far as I’ve seen
Despite her best efforts
crisp heath
Not for lack of trying
stray bluff
Who does the Inquisition answer to
green loom
The Inquisition
tough haven
Like, if I kick her out she doesn’t really have anywhere to go, and since my retinue is mostly psychic it seems sanctionist
mild rapids
Themselves. Maybe the Custodes kinda
versed ledge
Do they answer to the lords of terra and the emprah?
tough haven
Who does the Inquisition answer to
The inquisition, and that part of the inquisition answers to the custodes, and sometimes the high lords of terra
crisp heath
Who does the Inquisition answer to
But my patience isn't limitless... unlike my authority.
tough haven
Ah of course the god emperor of mankind
arctic talon
The inquisition, and that part of the inquisition answers to the custodes, and s...
They don’t answer to either of those
They answer to only the emperor
tough haven
Well true
versed ledge
The corpse on the golden shitter
tough haven
But sometimes those groups can hold sway on them
arctic talon
Practically speaking yeah they probably would
crisp heath
I don't even know if Custodes would have the guts to strong arm the Inquisition
arctic talon
It depends
summer mural
the inquisition answers to space wolf axes sometimes 
arctic talon
Lol
green loom
They answer to Joe mama
mild rapids
But the Custodes kinda speak for the Emperor. Especially the Captain General
Maybe Guilliman since he made himself commander of the Imperium
crisp heath
Also worth noting that there's a not insubstantial sect of Inquisitors who essentially want to euthanize the emperor
arctic talon
Tbh people with “infinite” power in the setting by law are like
storm jungle
Maybe Guilliman since he made himself commander of the Imperium
nah the custodians dont trust Guilliman
at least most dont