40k-lore-chat

[tough haven]

On my next run I'm probably gonna go more hard radical, so a mix of dogmatic and heretical

id which one I'll have more

Rn I'm trying to go iconoclast primarily and partial dogmatic

[queen laurel]

for a space wolf that is naked he camouflages into the place very well

[tough haven]

except I forgot you lose iconoclast when gaining dogmatic

so this might be harder than I thought

[storm jungle]

Nah uh

Iconoclast still allows you to do some harsher options without dogmatic attached.

Dogma is more "EVERYONE MUST DIE, BURN EM ALL"

[queen laurel]

i executed the kid in the storage room in the planet because he would suffer a lot worse if he came out

[storm jungle]

Some "Imperial" choices are not directly tied to that

[tough haven]

Yeah, just becuase my characters morals align with exterminatusing ONE world, I lose all my iconoclast

Honestly it was a more humane fate given the circumstances

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats how I did my iconoclast

its important to know when to be generous and when to be rough

its how a good ruler should be

[tough haven]

I'll build it back up

[storm jungle]

Yee you'll get lots of oppoturnities

[tough haven]

hopefully I can keep my dogmatic where its at

cause rn its exactly at where I want it

[storm jungle]

Yeee its tricky but you can deffo keep it at a good balance

just go between good/evil choices

its only when you pick a REALLY extreme one that it will get very unbalanced

[queen laurel]

i like being overly kind because when they do backstab me i have a justified reason to torture them

[storm jungle]

Lmao yeah same

Im not gullible enough to like trust or forgive everyone until theres enough evidence

[queen laurel]

But man there are some sad moments in this game

[tough haven]

So true

[queen laurel]

Like the dying tech priest in kevia gamma

[storm jungle]

Yeah like i could not do that to that techpriest

he literally tried his best lol

[tough haven]

I just provide a touch of basic humanity that the imperium lacks, but its a harsh galaxy, that requires you to be harsh sometimes

[storm jungle]

Yeah exactly

your character will be much more unique when you go in-between the two

[queen laurel]

iconoclasts going, "Go to the Omnissiah"

man

[storm jungle]

KEK

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/george-clooney-wtf-surprise-confused-gif-3524585

[storm jungle]

excuse me the WHAT

[sacred ginkgo]

Sit in the bridge rolling for that .1%

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[dusk patrol]

Oh yeaaaahhh booooyyyy

[queen laurel]

characters that have high logic would love this

[sacred ginkgo]

I’ll get it eventually

[dusk patrol]

dude I'm respeccing my RT for this lol

[sacred ginkgo]

99% of paradox solvers quit before they hit big

[queen laurel]

worth it

[dusk patrol]

Gentlemen, we are breaking the game today.

[storm jungle]

literally Big Brain

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/my-logic-is-undeniable-undeniable-no-imright-doubt-gif-10356239

[storm jungle]

Im sorry Pasqal

you are replaced

[dusk patrol]

This is how you open the secret Pasqal romance option.

[storm jungle]

LOL

god you reminded me when I asked Pasqal for romance advice

yes this is an actual option

[sacred ginkgo]

I need to respec my pascal, he kind of sucks at the moment

[storm jungle]

yeah no harm in it

[queen laurel]

he is very overly specific

[sacred ginkgo]

What’s good for him, forge world perks and heavy weapons?

[dusk patrol]

And ayyy it worked.

[queen laurel]

I built him as a bounty hunter

[storm jungle]

bounty hunter is really good yeah

[sacred ginkgo]

I really just need to know his second archetype

[storm jungle]

I made my Pasqal a sniper

[dusk patrol]

wouldn't be shocked if thats the hardest skill check in the game technically.

[sacred ginkgo]

It probably is

[dusk patrol]

I am gonna be a little mad if there's a harder one actually.

Like fuck

-167

[sacred ginkgo]

You are solving a paradox thought on by the adeptus mechanicus for some time

[queen laurel]

Pasqual being so smart the energy output of his plasma destroys an entire planet

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/mandalore-gaming-warhammer-warhammer40k-mechanicus-warhammer-mechanicus-gif-16773386

Me right now

[sacred ginkgo]

Abelard being told to charge the lord of change with a knife and his only response is “Gladly Lord Captain”

[storm jungle]

POV Abelard:

https://tenor.com/view/doom-eternal-archvile-gif-19817628

[queen laurel]

I love that when there's this space marine of chaos who is blessed by his God then abelard just pulls up with a plasma like

[dusk patrol]

Abelard might be the green ninja

[arctic talon]

Abelard might be god

[storm jungle]

Abelard might be Him

[sacred ginkgo]

Abelard pulled up with his base chainsword on aurora and tanked a heavy bitter burst for 5 damage

[dusk patrol]

"Abelard, do you see that 10,000 year old Champion of Chaos over there?"

"Yes m'lord."

"I'd rather not."

"Yes m'lord."

[sacred ginkgo]

Bolter

[storm jungle]

This is basically Abelard

[sacred ginkgo]

If we ever got an ogryn is would straight up be inferior to Abelard

[green loom]

Dilara do you ever sleep

[storm jungle]

no

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

im watching Hannibal

[queen laurel]

at this point i'm already superior to one

[arctic talon]

LOL

[sacred ginkgo]

Yes

[queen laurel]

so having abelard is just a bonus

[sacred ginkgo]

You are

[storm jungle]

CHRIST

[sacred ginkgo]

You can dumpster a Terminator

[queen laurel]

that's me without the buffs by the way

[sacred ginkgo]

Or dunk one

[arctic talon]

benchpress a leman russ

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ogryn-bernie-gif-27192884

[green loom]

You mean Dracula flow?

[tough haven]

But you dont understand how much I need my admirably hopeful and friendly ogryn pal to help me withstand the horrors of the galaxy

[sacred ginkgo]

I have an Abelard for that

[crisp heath]

Omg!!! Lol every decision feels so weighty!!!! Fuuuuuuuuu

[sacred ginkgo]

A thunder hammer makes everything look more hopeful

[queen laurel]

for those who want to know how i got this much strength

[green loom]

When in doubt
Kill her

[tough haven]

A part of me wishes there was a permadeath mode for the game ala Xcom, I'm a masochist

[tough haven]

It simply isnt the same

now if I could have both

[sacred ginkgo]

The hell’d you get that from

[dusk patrol]

Using the old FFG carry weight chart, which is Carry, Lift, Push for the weight values....

[tough haven]

now we're talking

[green loom]

Max rep with drussians

[dusk patrol]

Which you combine the Str and Toughness bonus.

You are off the chart.

[queen laurel]

alright i will square up to a titan now

[queen laurel]

I'm trying to visualize my end game build and i got it running pretty well

i'm just having fun at this point because i did lose my previous save

[sacred ginkgo]

You are the kind of person to win an arm wrestle with a bloodthirster then suplex the fucker

[queen laurel]

you think that's overkill? i also have this

that is 30 strength on my gear alone

[sacred ginkgo]

All I’ve got was getting the 100 damage achievement in chapter 1/2 and having the Sister get to like 200 BS

[queen laurel]

plus 10 toughness because of the boots

[arctic talon]

would this not just be a fucking game over lol

[crisp heath]

Basically, my lower decks were striking because abelard was being a bit heavy handed with shit, and I was all nice and shit and told them to help find the amulets, and we'd ease up a bit. Now old Abetard here is telling me I'm a fuckup for kowtowing to the masses and how Theodore would never. And in like, Theodore dead bitch, and I ain't bout to be, so shit might need to change. And now, it's like, but do you really though?

[queen laurel]

he is an iconoclast believe it or not

[sacred ginkgo]

I let them find the stuff but I did NOT give them guns

[queen laurel]

Just tell him to ease up a little

[sacred ginkgo]

Why the hell would I do that

[queen laurel]

Yeah they are untrained ship crews

we will let you have more freedom but nope military might is off limits

[crisp heath]

@sacred ginkgo yea no me neither

[sacred ginkgo]

The macrocannon crews somehow ended up with multiple blinding grenades a piece though

No godamned idea how that happened

[arctic talon]

I am not giving them a guns lol that is a horrific idea

and one of the guys says it best

if they had access to guns someone might just pull one during a drunken fight lol

[sacred ginkgo]

“We will start killing eachother for silly shit”

Yes

You will

And potential traitors will have guns too

[arctic talon]

the hearld of tzeentch boss fight is a fun secret tbh

[sacred ginkgo]

I missed it

Would’ve gotten me to 15 for aurora

I learned about right before the aurora encounter too

[crisp heath]

So the second option then seems the best? I don't think shoving Theodora's death in his face is right a second time... and I'm not going to necessarily shoe hole myself into him expecting me to follow his lead again or procedures I know nothing about

[arctic talon]

What level are you supposed to be for aurora

[sacred ginkgo]

No idea

[arctic talon]

It’s the most balanced one tbh

[sacred ginkgo]

I got to him just before 15 on daring

[arctic talon]

it’s also the one I chose lol

[sacred ginkgo]

I kind of hate that aurora was just a Word Bearer

[storm jungle]

Yeah this is what ive been saying, like this is one decision where being a good person has no bad repurcussions just again like everyone has said NO guns lmao

also yeah tell Abelard to get the fuck over it

[sacred ginkgo]

Especially for a Tzeentch cult

[storm jungle]

also same

its very disconnected

[crisp heath]

@storm jungle lol yes maam

[storm jungle]

[crisp heath]

Also, I'm finding a valve puzzle down here and I'm bout ready to lose my damn mind on it

[storm jungle]

basically the thing with iconoclast is only do Good options when like the fate of a planet isnt at stake or theres chaos corruption very clearly involved.

[sacred ginkgo]

Cool tzeentch cult, dude named Aurora, basic ass red CSM

[queen laurel]

"Abelard, if you don't keep your **** straight i will forge marriage documents and forcefully spread the rumor that you had sex with Lady Theodora"

wish that is an option

[velvet imp]

I just realized in Rogue Trader this also makes my Single shot attack on bolters always count as a "Another attack" for Arch Militant which means I can keep single shot attacking with the Bolter to build up the Arch-Militant buff which will constantly increase my damage output. This can end up turning into a very OP Bolter build.

[velvet imp]

yes 2nd option is the best but it is more Iconoclast type of dialogue. Abe will respect you for showing a different type of strength being the strength to act with your own choices without giving into the pressure of other people's expectations on how they expect you to act due to how things use to be with Theodora and how they expect a Imperium person to act.

[crisp heath]

Right. Kinda how I felt myself anyway. Like I'm not Theodora and to expect me to act the same is not gonna fly.

[tough haven]

Are there any solid heavy weapons in the game, I know there’s a heavy stubber, but I don’t think it counts as heavy for the purposes of talents, maybe something like an auto cannon?

I would be thoroughly surprised if such a thing doesn’t exist with the amount of weapon types in the game

[velvet imp]

anything that requires a STR requirement and is big, is normally consider a Heavy weapon

they just label the weapon by their "bullet" type

[tough haven]

Yeah but I don’t think the stubber has a strength req

But I haven’t found it yet so idk

[crisp heath]

Oh I definitely told Abe it was his fault Theodora died and he needs to listen to me before something even worse happens

[tough haven]

I hope it counts cause if it does, it’s what I’m looking for

[velvet imp]

the heavy stubber is from one of the faction rewards

[crisp heath]

I use my cult leader rizz on Abe every chance I get

[tough haven]

Which faction?

[velvet imp]

If I remember right it is Kasballica (crime lord faction) or Fellowship of the Void (Pirate faction)

Kasballica is going to be a must to raise due to how they are invovled in a lot of World constructions

[green loom]

I found one in Commoragh as well I think

[tough haven]

I don’t think it’s void, unless it’s just available in the starting area

[velvet imp]

along with Drusion

[velvet imp]

it is on the higher tier

which you unlock in chapter 2

and most likely won't reach it until maybe chapter 3 or 4 due to the required reputation amount

[tough haven]

So it is fellowship of the void? Or is it both?

[velvet imp]

just checked

it is Kasballica

[tough haven]

Okie, thank you

[velvet imp]

Rank 7

[tough haven]

Damn

[velvet imp]

60 STR requirement so you need 35 STR if you take the Heavy weapon expert

[tough haven]

I have that

[velvet imp]

the Bolter is what I am really after in that faction

[tough haven]

Yeah I just didn’t want to run bolter on this character

[vale fjord]

I'd love to see a zealot covered in purity seals

Down to the bones

[loud maple]

We need the Red Talons space marines to intervene on Atoma

[celest dome]

Why though

[loud maple]

They'd get the job done

[vale fjord]

Just dont bring in the grey knights

It's bad enough they'll kill anyone who knows their existence

[celest dome]

Well then send them elsewhere where they'll be useful

[celest dome]

Old lore, the Reject also
Already know of them

[vale fjord]

Fair enough

They do work for the inquisition now anyway

[crisp heath]

Well... that's cool... beat the prison dude and as im grabbing loot and open my inventory the game crashes... so now I have to do that fight all over again... like... it was an easy fight but that's annoying af...

[crisp heath]

Oh well. It's a sign to get off for the night. Fuck it....

[green loom]

https://vxtwitter.com/warhammer/status/1736646307698167852?t=Eitt7mjBIt8__5KCvdF0iA&s=19

Well then

[crisp heath]

Yep, fucking love this

Was so hype when it was originally announced, now that it's finalized and real... bro. Shits gonna be dope

[vale fjord]

That's me as an ork

Will not shut the f up

[green loom]

Buy not into the hype, Amazon is severely hit and miss so far

[crisp heath]

Not because of Amazon am I hype, but because of Henry

He's a stickler for accuracy

Him being the lead creative influence and director makes me happy and confident

[green loom]

Yeah Cavill's got a great track record

[toxic hedge]

looking at this reminds me of how some reject is probably tolling away down there in the sewer to clear some nurgle infested mobs

[late grotto]

Hey guys, been a big fan of 40k since i was a child, but never read any novels. Just curious anyone has a suggestion for noobs like me to read? I prefer imperial guards as main protagonist, thanks 🙏

[queen laurel]

Ciaphas Cain

[winged jacinth]

Ciaphas Cain and Gaunt's Ghosts are the gold standard guard series

Cain is sillier Gaunt is gritty and dark

[queen laurel]

Yeah if you want to be a little more lighthearted in your reading go for cain

[winged jacinth]

They're ironically both commisars in command roles i wonder if that was intentional

[late grotto]

Ok got it thanks 🙏

[tropic olive]

A horror movie depicting a civilian family attacked by a Slaaneshi demon during the Siege of Terra outside the palace would be incredible

[winged jacinth]

I kind of expect an inquisitor show

Whatever they do basically has to explain the setting from first principles and inquisitor stories are good for that

[green loom]

I'm hoping for anything just Not marines

Marines are literally a one way trip to a flop

[winged jacinth]

For real

0 appeal to non-hobby viewers

Limited appeal to a lot of hobby viewers too

[tropic olive]

The mere appearance of one Space Marine for 10 minutes or an episode, illustrating how powerful and rare they are, could be genuinely intriguing

[winged jacinth]

They can be present but should not be core characters

And i feel like they'd have to be shoehorned in to a lot of stories

[green loom]

Well marines are the safest way to new viewers

Problem is

They're marines

Ie

impossible to animate

Let alone well enough to blend seamlessly into live action

For multiple episodes

[tropic olive]

We just need to see 1 or 2 in action; that could be interesting

[green loom]

Yeah therein lies the problem

They won't be introduced right

And this isn't some "omg Amazon ruin 40k" type cope

Animating marines is just painful and a LOT to ask

[winged jacinth]

Eisenhorn has some real legacy bits

He seems to think the white consuls have a primarch who is alive and active

[green loom]

There will 100% be changes

[winged jacinth]

Which i think might have been the case when it was published?

[green loom]

To bring it in line

And also a lot of scenes will likely be swapped around changed etc.

But Amazon has a trend of staying broadly faithful

Abnett wrote a movie before, book writers ≠ script writers

So I'm told, and it wasn't great

[winged jacinth]

Yeah the first animated space marine thing it was dogshit

It was like an hour of marines walking places and 20 minutes of shooting

If they do eisenhorn they should get abnett to consult but yeah get showrunners lol

Rings of power...

[green loom]

Ok so

RoP

Had the main issue of their deal with the Tolkien estate being real weird

[winged jacinth]

The people who really didn't like rings of power seemed to do so for the wrong reasons but i've also never met anyone who actually liked it

[green loom]

And only being allowed to use like, a specific part of the 2nd age or so

And also the show itself was mostly used to expand facilities for the company iirc?

But for like, full on story adaptations

[winged jacinth]

Didn't they try and tell like, the silmarilion

[green loom]

You've got the Expanse, Reacher, The Boys, Invincible

[winged jacinth]

I could have saved them a lot of money by saying not to do this

The silmarilion and books of lost tales were interesting for reasons unrelated to being compelling narratives

They got the blanket tv show rights i think

Embracer could not legally make a tv show

Their rights package covers categories of product rather than source materials

[green loom]

Yeah like I said

It ended up being a very specific part of it

[winged jacinth]

As far as i can tell amazon owns blanket tv rights for all the books

They time limited the rings of power setting so that the human characters wouldn't die of old age every season

Apple did a similar change for the Foundation tv series

Well the opposite really they just froze people

But for the same goal of keeping persistent casts for the audience to relate to

[green loom]

Yeah but anyway, some people are fearing it going "woke", which is like

[winged jacinth]

Oh no! Black elves!

[green loom]

I wonder how they'll react to Eisenhorn's pilot being non-white

[winged jacinth]

Elves are literally a deific art project

Eisenhorn would be played by cavill i bet

[green loom]

God I hope not

[winged jacinth]

There's better choices but i read it in the emperors tarot

[winged jacinth]

I don't even remember if elves are born

Wizards certainly arent

I don't think he looks dour enough

Also eisenhorn 2 is like 100 years after eisenhorn 1 i wonder if they'll cast a young actor and age up or an old actor and age down

Or just cut the time gap

[green loom]

Nah nah anh

We need Jason

[winged jacinth]

I think bequin is 30 in the first book and 120 in the second

The way they work has always been wildly inconsistent lol

Plus warp travel kinda ruins ages

Bequin is 120 of who's years

The average warp time dilation is like 10:1 i think and eisenhorn spends a lot of time in transit

[green loom]

Lucius Malfoy also

[winged jacinth]

Yeah that guy is pretty dour

Shame Alan Rickman is dead

[tropic olive]

Frfr

[winged jacinth]

Eisenhorn played by adam sandler with rob schneider as Midas Betancore

[shadow plover]

Death upon you

[winged jacinth]

40k has a potential niche in the mainstream content sphere i think

There's a few popular dystopias out there but they're all like, actively malicious dystopias

Nothing like the imperium which is crushing its citizens under its own rotting weight

[green loom]

Dude

[winged jacinth]

So im not a cavill superfan but i do know he really cares about source fidelity

[green loom]

I think they're gonna give free reign to the team tbh

Like

They let the boys do it's thing

And they seem to not have a firm hand

[winged jacinth]

He was not happy with attempted changes to the witcher and he's a bigger 40k fan than witcher fan

[queen laurel]

usual Pasqual shenanigans

[plush mason]

he is the GOAT

hands down my fav comp

[crisp heath]

I haven't gotten that dialogue yet, but I hope your rogue trader can swing back with "depression is a sub-optimal emotion that should be overridden by your logic cores"

or are you clinging to the flesh, machine boy?

[crystal forum]

he's not talking to the rogue trader

i dont think pasqal would dare be that disrespectful

or call you "servant"

[queen laurel]

this is on the agri world i'm pretty sure

[crystal forum]

yup

[crisp heath]

Oh I don't take pasqal onto Janus at all

Speaking of Janus

[crystal forum]

i take him everywhere because he's funny

[crisp heath]

does anyone else's battles bug out on fights with ramps/inclines?

There's some serious pathfinding issues for me on anything except level ground

[queen laurel]

If a problem like that happens I just quick save in the middle of the fight and reload it

[crystal forum]

i havent had many problems with inclines

[crisp heath]

Oh I just kind of assumed the pathfinding was broken fundamentally so I just reloaded from a save before the fight/lost on purpose

[queen laurel]

jesus christ he is massive

[crisp heath]

I've had this issue on every map with inclines, the ||jungle fight|| on Janus was just the most annoying

[queen laurel]

Yeah that's why having Yrielet with you is such a helpful thing because she is an amazing sniper

[crisp heath]

I hate that they named him Ulfar

I'm also suprised there wasn't already an Ulfar

[queen laurel]

Ulfar? Yeah as usual the naming is the classic space wolf

[crisp heath]

damn I need to be less of a nerd. I wrote it Ulfr because I forgot scandinavian people still exist

[spring cairn]

sadly they do

[summer mural]

I like Kharn way more than Angron, I assume thats not a hot take

[dusk patrol]

I mean they’re not gonna name him Craig

And there’s only so many Scandinavian names you can use

[crisp heath]

Take two old norse words, mash them together

Literally how every viking named their kid

Or even go farther abroad and a bit celtic, Morfran (the old man who assisted Gwion Bach in tending Cerridwen's cauldron) would be a good space wolf name

[dusk patrol]

Or they can just name him Ulfar

Fenris isn’t like true Norse either

[crisp heath]

There's so much wolf please

[dusk patrol]

Most 40k stuff isn’t

It’s bastardized whatever culture

Intentionally

It would be weird actually if after thousands of years it was the exact same

[crisp heath]

Space Wolves are the Shamalan's Avatar of Space Marines

[summer mural]

lmao what

[crisp heath]

so much potential that just falls flat

[dusk patrol]

They’re fine

[summer mural]

I used to like the space wolves, now I just like bjorn and no one else

[dusk patrol]

They have plenty of great books

People just get hung up on the wolf stuff

[crisp heath]

I actually like Space Wolves a lot tbh

But

wolf

[summer mural]

I am not a fan of Russ either, hes one of my least fav primarchs

[dusk patrol]

It’d be nice if 40k fans found a way to have more than one joke for factions

[crisp heath]

Oh I love Russ, he's just a big, dumb, loyal asshole

[summer mural]

then again what do I know, Im a sucker for the blood angels and salamanders

[crisp heath]

the issue is with Space Wolves, it's not a joke. Like, it's just so overwhelming how much wolf stuff gets thrown into your face.

[summer mural]

including how they can turn into wolves

Primaris Wulfen when

[dusk patrol]

There’s a lot but the fanbase also has one joke with them and it’s boring as hell

But the fanbase has like one or two jokes they repeat ad naseum for a lot of factions

It’s just really boring and gets annoying trying to talk about any of them

[crisp heath]

I mean I get shouted down when I mention that they're the only space marines who ahem enjoy ahem women so it's definitely a bit suffocating

[dusk patrol]

“Omg guys did someone say Iron Hands? Haha they have Iron Hands and their primarchs name means Iron Hands and he had Iron Hands and they had Iron Hands.”

[queen laurel]

Yes the 40K version I agree the ones in Horus Heresy?

[dusk patrol]

“I am hilarious and original.”

[queen laurel]

those ones can go back to hell

[dusk patrol]

Both

The heresy ones are even more based

[queen laurel]

you think the burning of prospero is based?

[crisp heath]

yes

[dusk patrol]

Yes

Thousand Sons were dumbasses

[storm jungle]

the Iron Hands are boring and I'm sorry.

[queen laurel]

eh not the worst reply I've heard

[crisp heath]

I don't even care about Magnus. Ahriman had it coming.

[dusk patrol]

Iron Hands are great, I’m happy no one knows about them because their concept is awesome

[summer mural]

Logan> Leman

[storm jungle]

I mean they do

they just ignore them because they suck

thank god for that blessing

[dusk patrol]

They really don’t

[storm jungle]

they really do

you act like Iron Hands are a forgotten successor chapter or something

[dusk patrol]

I mean knows any of their lore

[storm jungle]

people just dont like them too much

[queen laurel]

as the only black dragon fan in this chat anyone who likes them shall prove it to me by trial of combat with nothing but bare hands

[dusk patrol]

People just don’t read anything on them, which they’re allowed to do

But they’re plenty cool

[summer mural]

what chapter gets the least content anyway?

raven guard?

[dusk patrol]

They don’t get a ton of focus

[queen laurel]

boy

[dusk patrol]

RG probably

[crisp heath]

Iron Warriors are the forgettable ones for me. The one good thing about the hh novels is that at least perturabo is kind of interesting

his legion is boring tho

[queen laurel]

there are a lot and i mean a lot of chapters

[dusk patrol]

I can enjoy all the legions for different reasons although I have my preferences

[summer mural]

I meant among the founding loyalist ones

[dusk patrol]

Oh not counting first founding

Just some no name chapter which gets mentioned in a coded once

No lore

There’s a lot of those

[crisp heath]

Most chapters are only mentioned once or twice. Talking about legions in terms of "lore volume" more meaningful

[dusk patrol]

Iron Hands or Raven Guard probably but it varies

[crisp heath]

like, Devastation of Baal introduced like 20 chapters only to kill them off in the same book.

[dusk patrol]

White Scars for 40k don’t get much either

[summer mural]

oh yeah, I literally just forgot until right now the white scars exist lmao

[dusk patrol]

30k they get a ton of focus but it hasn’t translated into 40k

[random valley]

Sometimes I forget the word bearers actually exist then I remember about Erebus

[crisp heath]

People like White Scars, hate painting them, and there's almost nothing to read on them. Very sad case.

[dusk patrol]

Word Bearers get a lot of focus in 30k and 40k

Their 40k trilogy is great

[random valley]

Yeah

[summer mural]

word bearers exist because I like the raven guard, and I remember how lorgar is hiding in a tower somewhere 'meditating' because theres a daemon crow out to murder him

[dusk patrol]

He’s not

[crisp heath]

I honestly think Iron Warriors is the most forgettable, underutilized legion. As far as loyalists go, White Scars got handed the shit end.

[dusk patrol]

Corax isn’t a daemon, which they say outright in the short, and that short took place right after the heresy

And he’s active again anyways

[random valley]

Id love to see more Iron warriors stuff cause they’re really competent

[summer mural]

why did perturabo become a daemon anyway, seems like he really had no interest in it, but he straight up did it voluntarily

[dusk patrol]

He just meditated for 10,000 years just cause

[crisp heath]

Also hot take

[dusk patrol]

Because that’s the point

[random valley]

It’s so weird

[dusk patrol]

Chaos corrupts

[crisp heath]

Imperial Fists are lame and most people only care about them because TTS hyped up Dorn

[dusk patrol]

He’s not some genius who can resist it he’s the idiot who thinks he can control it and it corrupted him eventually

[random valley]

It’s like Abbadon wanting to actively like Chaos

[summer mural]

Im not even sure if i see canon images of perty as a daemon prince or if its fanart

[dusk patrol]

They have plenty of great characters

There’s a lot of reason people like them in 30k and less so but still in 40k

[crisp heath]

Perturabo has never gotten an official image after becoming a daemon primarch afaik

[summer mural]

sad

[dusk patrol]

TTS has little to do with it

[random valley]

He hasn’t

And good

[summer mural]

and kinda like, jeez gw

[queen laurel]

the only thing i like about them is the mark 3 iron armor after that it's gone

[dusk patrol]

Dorn gets a lot of good moments and Sigismund, Rann, Pollux, Camba Diaz, and others really get to shine during the siege and other books

The siege is basically their series in a lot of ways and it helps a lot

But they also get some good stuff earlier

[summer mural]

is the rock on like, dantes side of the imperium

[random valley]

The sad thing is all of the interesting characters In 40k that relate to Fists are in the successes chapters

[dusk patrol]

TTS had almost nothing to do with why people like them now

[crisp heath]

All Fists know these days are protect Terra, have defective geneseed, and lie

[random valley]

Like Kantor, and Grimoldus

[dusk patrol]

There’s some good Imperial Fists stuff and dudes for 40k

But 30k is definitely better for them

[random valley]

Yeah I just think the great characters are in the successor chapters

[versed ledge]

Why does the imperial fist get to use ballistic shields when everyone else forgoes it

It seems so rational to use it for CQB

[random valley]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dusk patrol]

Maximon Voss, Tor Garadon, Lysandor

Are all fun characters

In 40k. They don’t get as much focus but there’s some there and it works.

[random valley]

Yup

[summer mural]

is Mephiston a stronger psyker than Ahri

[dusk patrol]

We don’t talk about Mephiston

But probably not no

His feats are but

[summer mural]

He seems kinda nutty

[dusk patrol]

He just does goofy stuff a lot

[random valley]

He’s wack

[summer mural]

apparently he can freeze time

[dusk patrol]

I don’t even dislike his design but yeah he needs to be reigned back

[random valley]

Mhm

[dusk patrol]

Psykers in general are often an author conundrum on how to do lol

[random valley]

Psyker werid

[storm jungle]

Mephiston is basically strong in a Mary Sue sense

like most of his abilities are just Magnus tier for no reason other than "oh hes a good psyker"

lmao

[versed ledge]

In speaking of psykers, in rogue trader why does weird shit happen, like green warp ghosts, or spawning literal demons

[storm jungle]

...

[dusk patrol]

Ahriman can be inconsistent too but that’s most psykers

[storm jungle]

because you got warp influence in that area

what do you think 💀

[random valley]

OoooooOOOooo wizard stuff ooooooooooOOoOo

[dusk patrol]

Cause that’s how psykers work

You’re destabilizing the barrier between hell and the real world

[summer mural]

Ahriman seems less popular than kharn, lucius and typhus

[dusk patrol]

He’s way more imo

[random valley]

Good

[dusk patrol]

He’s got like fifty books

[versed ledge]

I don't know, I just need multiple to stop living all at once before they make me and the guys pastence

[summer mural]

and hes got a wack helmet

[dusk patrol]

Maybe not Kharn but

He’s definitely the second most popular

[random valley]

Mainly cause thousand sons aren’t the most popular and cause Ahriman is wack

[dusk patrol]

Tsons

Are very popular

[summer mural]

lucius is wack too

[random valley]

They all are

[summer mural]

Kharn is dope

true

[dusk patrol]

Where do you guys get this stuff lol

[random valley]

In their own “special” way

[dusk patrol]

Tsons have always been one of the most popular chaos factions

[versed ledge]

What books do y'all read for this info

[dusk patrol]

All of them

[random valley]

I have legit never played against a Tsons player and no one I talk to likes Tsons

[summer mural]

Tsons apparently are gonna feature in space marine 2, which should be fun

[random valley]

It’ll be interesting

Will probably be more interesting than using black legion

[dusk patrol]

There’s plenty of popular factions which I don’t see as much at my LGS that’s just your area though not the wider fanbase

[summer mural]

Bold move by the game writers to use the tsons, they have quite the aesthetic, and the superpowers too

[random valley]

I heard one of their attacks is using chaos trim against you

[dusk patrol]

They made a 40k model for Magnus first for example. I believe he was before Mortarion.

[random valley]

Yeah cause Tsons were the first legion specific csm army

[versed ledge]

What's a chaos Trim?

[dusk patrol]

The trim on chaos marines

[random valley]

The gold/silver around every plate of armor in csm models

[versed ledge]

Oh...

[dusk patrol]

Theirs is typically more jagged

[storm jungle]

Bro people love Ahriman

[dusk patrol]

Compared to loyalist who are more straight

[versed ledge]

Spiky armor

[storm jungle]

his trilogy is one of THE best BL products

what do you mean

[dusk patrol]

Ahriman has four books and is getting another

[storm jungle]

Yeah hes a gigachad

[dusk patrol]

If anything the issue is he gets too much focus

[versed ledge]

Also...CHAOS PRIMARIS MARINES?! How and when?

[random valley]

Tsons are probably the worst for that

[summer mural]

is that a thing

[dusk patrol]

Never

[storm jungle]

no

[summer mural]

good

[random valley]

What?

[dusk patrol]

There’s some corrupted ones

[storm jungle]

Im gonna Primaris my foot up your a-

[random valley]

Traitor space marines no way

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

But they’re not really chaos marines

They’re just nuts

[summer mural]

in before the alpha legion steals all the primaris gene seed

[dusk patrol]

And they won’t get models

Any legion can steal it

It’s not exactly in short supply

It’s just the process is complex and it’s a lot of effort they don’t want to do

[versed ledge]

That armor though, doesn't it belong to the new line of Marines? Did the alpha legion do a blood raven?

[summer mural]

i dont know much about cawl, can he fight though

[dusk patrol]

Yes

[summer mural]

generally speaking

[dusk patrol]

He’s extremely dangerous

[random valley]

Also @versed ledge here an example of Tsons trim

[summer mural]

figures

[dusk patrol]

He’s been around for 10,000 years and he spent a lot of that just perfecting hitting shit with his massive axe

[versed ledge]

Rubric Marines are far more aesthetically pleasing, also now I understand

[storm jungle]

^

[summer mural]

Cawl fights with an axe? thats funny af

[random valley]

I talked to a Tsons guy online and he says it was pain to actually paint it

[storm jungle]

he also has a massive lazer

[dusk patrol]

He fights with a lot of stuff

The axe is just the most obvious

[summer mural]

holy shit thats actually an axe, Ive seen that thing so many times and never noticed

[dusk patrol]

He changes his loadout up a lot

[random valley]

It’s an odd axe but its an axe

[versed ledge]

Is there still a human underneath that giant centipede of the omnissiah? Cawl is terrifying

[dusk patrol]

And he can just tear a mfer apart

[queen laurel]

this guy probably has an Armory big enough to arm a small country

[storm jungle]

Yes

[queen laurel]

just for himself

[storm jungle]

you can still see his face

[versed ledge]

Hmm I guess you can

[dusk patrol]

And one of his arms

[summer mural]

do the mechanicus like the necrons or hate em, from the tech point of view

[dusk patrol]

Varies

Typically not fans

But cawl and others are obsessed with learning from them

[random valley]

More fans of their stuff

[queen laurel]

They see them as tech heresy as usual but there are a lot of mechanicals who want to learn how to harness their technology

[versed ledge]

Guess they just jelly the necrons beat them first

[queen laurel]

considering that even their basic infantry has guns strong enough to rip apart tanks I would definitely love to learn how their technology works too

[dusk patrol]

Mechanicus varies wildly in their beliefs on things

Similar to the Inquisition

Puritans vs radicals

[versed ledge]

At that point, just run.

[dusk patrol]

Why run when you can, study it?

[versed ledge]

Also, I too would love to know how recreate their tech. Regenerating armor and "gauss" guns

[summer mural]

do tau use ai, does anyone actually, imperium excluded

[dusk patrol]

Yes

Imperium it’s uh

[versed ledge]

Tau uses AI, yes

[dusk patrol]

Complicated

But tau definitely do

Necrons do too

[versed ledge]

They're the only sane guys

[summer mural]

seems like the imperium has its reasons, but it probably seems like a good idea to other civilizations

[dusk patrol]

I wouldn’t say that

But yes there’s lot of examples for AI

[random valley]

The dark age of technology

That’s all I have to say

[versed ledge]

Does the Eldar use AI, or do they use Souls

[queen laurel]

the imperium has machine spirits

[dusk patrol]

Mostly spirit stones

[queen laurel]

but their intelligence varies of course

[dusk patrol]

Machine spirits and just

Straight up AI

[random valley]

Fun fact about right now in the 21st century the Eldar empire is collapsing in the 40k universe

[summer mural]

lmao

[random valley]

:)

[queen laurel]

Yeah not following the mechanicus teaching gaming

[versed ledge]

"Machine spirit" yeah that's just AI, and the tech heads burning incense doesn't know what he's doing

[dusk patrol]

Pascal being a good example of how the Ad Mech is willing to ignore a lot of obvious signs

Some are at least

Pascal is very radical though

[versed ledge]

I sure hope they exist IRL, that means we get to experience the birth of Slaanesh

[summer mural]

I want to read about rogue servitors or servitors retaining some consciousness, but Im too scared to read whats going on in their head

[dusk patrol]

Forges of Mars series

Has a lot of good stuff

[queen laurel]

then there's that guy from mechanicus

[dusk patrol]

Yarp

The ad mech varies wildly

And justifies their beliefs very differently

[versed ledge]

So is there an off chance that the skitarii are a volunteer force? Or....

[summer mural]

do the dark mechanicus still believe in the omnissiah

[random valley]

It’s not entirely common but there is a low possibility

[dusk patrol]

Generally they’re indoctrinated and basically born into it

[versed ledge]

Yuuup it's as expected and feared...

[dusk patrol]

But some yeah, they’re not shown as being anything other than willing but how much free will they have varies

Skitarii vary wildly too

[summer mural]

I assume they dont believe the emprah is still the avatar of the omnissiah at least

[versed ledge]

Explains why they're so expendable.

[rocky gale]

and even if you're forced into being a Skitarii they'll just wipe your mind and brainwash you into thinking you volunteered.

[dusk patrol]

Some more more like augmented guard or even more wild and almost tribal

Some are more like glorified servitors

[versed ledge]

They could use entire prison world populations for that

[dusk patrol]

It varies

[versed ledge]

Man, human life sure is cheap in 40k

[dusk patrol]

Cheapest resource

[summer mural]

also, is the Rock on the Dante controlled side of the Imperium

[dusk patrol]

Dante?

Currently it’s in Nihlius

[summer mural]

yeah

[dusk patrol]

If that’s what you mean

[summer mural]

Nihlius

[versed ledge]

Rock?

[dusk patrol]

Dark Angel monastary

[random valley]

Speaking of humans being a resource it’s a common misbelief that corpstarch is used as the main food for the imperium, however it’s mainly a panic food used mainly for desperate guard units and also under resourced hive cities

[summer mural]

I was essentially asking if the Lion is going to run into the dark angels and azrael sooner rather than later

since he met dante

[dusk patrol]

He has

He’s leading them now

[radiant lance]

Dwayne "the Rock" Johnson. A lost primarch

[summer mural]

he met azrael?, I thought he just met a bunch of fallen

[dusk patrol]

No

They’re all together now

[summer mural]

so are the primary dark angels on board with the whole risen thing, seems like they should be

[random valley]

One big happy family :)

[versed ledge]

True, most common is heavily synthetized slab of meat made from grox and ungodly amounts of additives and stabilizers that makes spam look edible, as well as some form synthesized carbohydrates

[random valley]

Yup

[versed ledge]

But also varies from world to world, there are fresh vegetables and fruits too, but again depends on world and social class

[storm jungle]

the actual food is very much just tasteless grub/gruel

[random valley]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

fruits etc are not a common delicacy sadly

💀

[random valley]

Corpstarch is last option

[versed ledge]

How about scrape? Not common but is it seen in other hive worlds?

[queen laurel]

you mean that Blob of fat nutrients that gather under the hive from waste food?

i mean that is an option

[versed ledge]

A very pleasant way to word it

Recycled waste turned edible

One has to wonder, how does it taste

[wet sandal]

40k is made in br*tain after all

[queen laurel]

apparently delicious from what i've heard

[versed ledge]

Brit*sh food taste wonderful if one is of the nobility...just like 40k

[summer mural]

is cloning one of those things thats publically a big no no in the imperium

[versed ledge]

Yes, but I think it's still used

[spring cairn]

it's ok aslong as you don't get caught

[versed ledge]

Doesn't the Kriegers use them?

[spring cairn]

maybe

[random valley]

Kinda

[summer mural]

kreigers get cloned, I dunno if its confirmed, but its kinda the only thing that makes sense I think

[celest dome]

Vitae Womb, different thing

[versed ledge]

Or just pure artificial gestation and reproduction

Which fun fact, is realistically possible with today's technology

[celest dome]

There are books that do say that they are full on clone iirc, but it's dubious

[random valley]

I mean admech “clone” to make servitors and cherubs

[summer mural]

my headcanon includes the alleged kreiger clones being clones of jurten himself

[random valley]

But in reality it’s just flesh puppets

[versed ledge]

Always wondered what those were, and only to realize the true horror of what they actually are

[crisp heath]

vat grown aren't clones, they use a DNA slurry

[spring cairn]

the concept of servitor is so inhumane, it's better to get them from clone

[crisp heath]

So it's the genes of multiple people and not 1

[summer mural]

why is cloning a problem, did that get wack during the dark age like ai

[spring cairn]

or vats or wxhtvr

[dusk patrol]

It varies but yes some Kriegers are clones

[versed ledge]

So the correct term wouldn't be cloning, but artificial reproduction

[dusk patrol]

Clones tend to have like

Inherent bad luck

[crisp heath]

The soul goes into a clone of a dead person and every time they're cloned they go more insane

[random valley]

Yup

[crisp heath]

An imperfect clone has no soul

[versed ledge]

The warp hates Clones and will actively try to screw them over

[summer mural]

so, artificial birthing is fully allowed right?

[versed ledge]

Give them the best training, equipment, abilities, they will all return in body bags, or sandwich bags

[random valley]

Besides that Fulgrim clone and Horus clone

[versed ledge]

Yes/no depends on world

[random valley]

But we’re dropped quite quick

[summer mural]

oh its a world thing, but the imperium permits it then

[crisp heath]

The fulgrim clone is weird because Fulgrim's soul does so many jumps it's almost impossible to keep track of where it is at any given time

[versed ledge]

One has to wonder how does Cadians replace their numbers though

[spring cairn]

they organize events called great cadian fuck fests

[versed ledge]

9months to term and 16 years to grow is too long of a time to get numbers out to the meat grinder

[crisp heath]

Clonegrim is probably the "real" Fulgrim but the author left GW and they don't want to use his idea without permission

[crisp heath]

Cadians use child soldiers, the grown up cadians are the survivors

[random valley]

For now he’s in the British museum of 40k

[versed ledge]

"little Timmy, if you can walk, you can fight! Now go take this lasgun and make the emperor proud"

[crisp heath]

Also everyone on Cadia is drafted

Imagine if everyone in China was deployed at the same time

Then triple that

[versed ledge]

From the very young to the very old, everyone fights

[crisp heath]

That's what Cadia is working with

[summer mural]

are the cadians that good at combat compared to other hoomie regiments or is there reputation glowing because they fought on cadia and stayed on it when it fell apart

[crisp heath]

Cadia was always the elite

[random valley]

I find it quite interesting that no one says Abaddon first name

[versed ledge]

Still to sustain egregious losses and to replace them. People need time to grow, and you know ..to make more people

The Kriegers got it right at least

[crisp heath]

Cadia has good discipline, decent equipment, and solid warriors, so it became the template for the Guard

[summer mural]

The Kriegers are the most 40k thing ive ever witnessed

[crisp heath]

Catachans are the best fighters, but they can't be replicated in other regiments. Cadians are second best.

[versed ledge]

Mordians are renowned for their discipline and spiffy uniforms, they can be replicated

[crisp heath]

Mordians are dansies.

[versed ledge]

Even those Brit*sh Zulu wars looking blokes (forgot their name)

[spring cairn]

all regiments can be replicated and in fact are

[random valley]

I still wake for the day that Steel Legion leave Fine cast

[spring cairn]

that's called painting ur minis a different scheme

it's canon

[crisp heath]

paint your Krieg different

[spring cairn]

new regiment

[random valley]

No

[versed ledge]

LMAO true, how about Elysians? If they were better equipped they can probably take and hold a planet

[spring cairn]

planet adopts kreig's military customs, but they wear green

new regiment it's canon

a billion worlds in the imperium blabla

[versed ledge]

And that regiment is designed for jungle warfare...with trenches

[random valley]

I’m just gonna find a way to 3rd party steel legion somehow

[crisp heath]

Catachans aren't the best regiment. They're the best fighters.

As in, best at knocking your teeth in with their muscles.

[versed ledge]

That begs the question, who's the best regiment?

Scintillan Fusiliers?

[crisp heath]

Officially, Cadians.

[random valley]

Cadian Guard Regiments “second to none”

I feel like the motto would fit them

[versed ledge]

Cadians, They take vacations in other warzones

[crisp heath]

In universe the Cadian war machine is unparalleled. The only thing they export is soldiers.

[spring cairn]

cadians are jack of all trades but instead of being good at everything but master of none they're very very good at everything

[queen laurel]

they are very flexible

[versed ledge]

But Cadia got cracked, now they're fucked

[queen laurel]

new cadia is still a thing

[random valley]

Well the whole quote is “Jack of all trades master of non but better than master of one”

[crisp heath]

Cadians still exist as like, an ethnicity, and they have like 50 planets now instead of 1.

[queen laurel]

So they have a new home world

[spring cairn]

plus there's like a bajillion worlds who fight and equip like cadians

[random valley]

Well yeah

[summer mural]

isnt the cadian aesthetic like, now the generic standardized look for generic guardsmen

[spring cairn]

most adopted yes

not standard

[versed ledge]

Explains why they constantly die

[random valley]

Yeah Cadian is the most adopted army

[summer mural]

they should have adopted the catachans instead

[crisp heath]

I cannot stress this enough. GW and the in-universe Imperium both agree Cadia is the best planet/culture to make Guardsmen.

[versed ledge]

Flak armor doesn't protect the whole torso

[random valley]

Well considering everything will kill you besides an auto gun why bulkout on armor?

[spring cairn]

but it protects your shoulders from overheads very important

[random valley]

Mhm

[versed ledge]

Fair point, but withstanding ork bullets would be nice

[random valley]

I mean I doubt everyone will be aiming for your ankles

[versed ledge]

Can Eldar shurikens pierce through flak and carapace?

[random valley]

They’ll be aiming up where the armor is

[random valley]

Yes

[summer mural]

chaos marines can make new marines out of recruits right? as opposed to have a space marine get corrupted

[versed ledge]

Uh....I guess?

[crisp heath]

People irl wear bulletproof vests for a reason, but also, GW just goes with rule of cool and most of the lore was written before things like tactics and information on body armor and firearms were readily available in the UK. I can forgive GW for sticking to old lore about kind of dumb stuff since the IP was founded decades before everyone had internet in their home.

[random valley]

Demonculaba

[celest dome]

Yes

[crisp heath]

Yes

[celest dome]

But it's more prone to failure

[random valley]

Thats how iron warriors make new marines

Yeah

[crisp heath]

Chaos Space Marines "recruit", but it's usually more of a kidnapping

[versed ledge]

How does death guard make new recruits?

[spring cairn]

flak is extremely durable by irl standars iirc

like better than the highest grade of body armor we have

[summer mural]

yeah, I just meant if they can still turn a regular hoomie into a chaos space marine

[versed ledge]

If there's a comparable rating, it's gonna be like level-III or IV

[crisp heath]

Yes, if it's a young male, like normal marines

[versed ledge]

Carapace armor though, now that there is a dream

[random valley]

I mean Cadian armor protects enough of the body

[crisp heath]

yeah that's what I'm saying, the vitals are covered, and the legs in most patterns

[spring cairn]

most bulletproof vests don't protect the stomach so it's not shocking

[crisp heath]

Cadians are the most based on IRL soldiers

[random valley]

Yeah

[versed ledge]

Fair enough, also that guy on the left looks like he had a fun time

[spring cairn]

one thing i love about darktide is that lasguns have actual sights

every artwork i see they have none at all

or that weird tube

[versed ledge]

If the armor is improved to cover the neck and stomach, it might be the best infantry man's armor

[crisp heath]

If we wanted to be honest about it, for the role the guard fills, most of them should be entirely unarmored

[random valley]

It’s also a good example of the difference of old guardsman (pre fall) and new guardsman (post fall) and the new models

[crisp heath]

Guardsmen are meant to die, realistically it wouldn't even be worth giving them a flak vest

[random valley]

That’s where Kaserkin comes in

[versed ledge]

Post fall has more emphasis on protection and survivability

[spring cairn]

you still don't want ur troops to die to the shittiest bullet

[summer mural]

the armor is useful though, since they do fight a lot of regular hoomie uprisings, where armor is probably useful in saving lives so they can die when its useless against necrons and tyranids

[versed ledge]

It's like they finally learned something, all it took was just their planet to crack

[random valley]

Doesn’t really protect the neck but here

[versed ledge]

Hey at least his crown jewels are protected

[random valley]

It’s better armor than other regiments use

[versed ledge]

Definitely

[spring cairn]

isn't that a kasrkin

so not the average cadian

[random valley]

Yeah

[versed ledge]

Cadian special forces essentially

[random valley]

Mhm

Shock troops

[spring cairn]

the better cadian

but every regiments have those

[versed ledge]

Damn shame the games portray them as slightly armored up and durable guardsmen

What's the purpose of the hell gun or hotshot lasgun?

Is it to send more rounds down range or be harder hitting?

[median marsh]

They're more powerful, better penetration etc

[rocky gale]

Basically just an up-powered Lasgun with additional penetration

[queen laurel]

But at the cost of being a lot more complicated

[median marsh]

Higher rate of fire too

[summer mural]

what games come with cadians?

[median marsh]

Yeah only a few places make em and every person equipped with one can make it from scratch if needed

Rebuild rather

[queen laurel]

scab gunners have like 20 of them in a single area

[rocky gale]

They also need the backpacks as a power supply

[versed ledge]

Every dawn of war game

[versed ledge]

I hate to say it, but our foe in dark tide has better squad structure than loyalists

[median marsh]

They're an elite regiment

The 6th were the best before their corruption

[versed ledge]

A highly mobile squad composed of not just riflemen, but machine gunners, snipers, and demo specialists

[median marsh]

The best Moebian domain had*

[versed ledge]

And it's very clear too, damn shame we're making them look bad

[median marsh]

Wolfer is also questioning how the fuck did 4 murder hobos get this far

[versed ledge]

Also close quarter berserkers, it's rather innovative too

[median marsh]

But then again, for every victory our characters have, hundreds of others perish

[versed ledge]

Do other regiments practice that?

[rocky gale]

The 6th were Shock assault Experts

[versed ledge]

Can ogryns be used for anti armor roles?

[queen laurel]

yeah I mean they're physically strong enough for the role

with proper weapons they can basically turn into living can openers

[versed ledge]

Can they even use anti armor platforms though?

[queen laurel]

if you mean use anti armor weapons like bazookas stuff like that not in a sense

[versed ledge]

They're big and strong , sure, but incredibly stupid though

[queen laurel]

They are purposely kept stupid

Would you want your brute that can do all the heavy lifting for you to be smart and realize you're exploiting it?

[summer mural]

dont they have like limiters on their guns put there just because ogryns tend to blind fire and burn ammo

[versed ledge]

Fair point, I rather not have my ogre like slave realizing it's being exploited

[queen laurel]

yes, ogryns in dark tide don't need it because they are smart enough to realize how to reload which can be applied to other ogryns but you know

[versed ledge]

They still dumb as rockrete

[queen laurel]

a smart ogryn is a dangerous one

[versed ledge]

Which, in a sense, we the players are

[summer mural]

yeah but I meant they are just kept that stupid, if they were even slightly smarter theyd be capable of a lot more

not our ogryn mind you, our ogryn is a tactical genius

throwing rocks with pinpoint accuracy across ten levels of elevation

[versed ledge]

Real shame our ogryns have low ammo, else we could mop the map three times over

[summer mural]

Im fine with low ammo , but imagine if we had no reloads at all

[ripe ravine]

some ogryns are chosen as candidates for neural implants which moderately ups their intelligence, they're called bone'eads

[versed ledge]

1000 rounds, now reloads,

[summer mural]

oh yeah bone'eads are like the ogryn squad leader

[ripe ravine]

probably an argument to be made that the darktide ogryns are all bone'eads

[queen laurel]

nope only brawler

Bodyguard and bully are naturally smart

[ripe ravine]

oh interesting

[summer mural]

well they went to jail so they probably said something intelligent they werent supposed to, " Sah, The Emprah is dead sah"

[versed ledge]

Yeah that might be the case, no way can the brawler be dumb as the average ogryn

[queen laurel]

His implant is straight up cooking his brain by the way

[versed ledge]

He's speaking the truth though

[queen laurel]

brawler's implant is not helping him in any case

[summer mural]

indeed

Guilliman disagrees, but I agree

[ripe ravine]

there are a couple of examples of "smart" ogryn, like Clodde from Warhammer Crime who got shot in the head and now he's smarter than most humans. there's also a female psyker ogryn who can read in Ghazkull Thraka, but 99% are dumb as hell

[summer mural]

great, more space wolves

[dusk patrol]

It’s noted that Ogryn duty, if you have the temperament for it, is one of the easier Commissar roles. Plus it helps you have a large group of Ogryns who consider you second to the Emperor in importance

[summer mural]

what are commissars in the death korps like though

jobless?

bored?

[dusk patrol]

Like Commissars other places

[ripe ravine]

I think its Dead Men Walking that has a commissar POV

basically the same except they have to restrain the korpsman more than force them to push forward

[summer mural]

jeez

[ripe ravine]

average krieg soldier is a little too willing to give his life for the emperor so its the commissar's job to make sure its doing something useful

[dusk patrol]

Commissars are there to ensure the commanders don’t fuck up as well as troops don’t back down

If they deem a commander not using the lives of his men to their satisfaction they step in

No greater heresy than extremely inefficient usage of the Emperors resources.

[summer mural]

on the other hand, kreigers also ask for the nastiest places to fight on, so I guess its not easier

[ripe ravine]

i'm not sure if all death korps commissars are from offworld or just some but the one in Dead Men Walking was and the death korps keeps to themselves. they're obsessed with duty so the usual infractions are pretty rare

[dusk patrol]

As far as I’m aware Commissars are always from a different world

Idk if Krieg even has a Schola Progenium

[ripe ravine]

I think you're right and I'm not sure how the schola progenium would work on krieg anyway

yeah

[versed ledge]

I'm still wrapping my head around female ogryns

Even the concept that ogryns are born

Meaning ogryns reproduce like normal humans

[rocky gale]

Pity the poor sods who are within earshot of that

[ripe ravine]

they gotta procreate somehow. the one from the Ghazghkull book is pretty unusual

[versed ledge]

Pity more the poor soul who walks upon that

[summer mural]

ogryns all remind me of space wolves

except Lukas

Lukas is cool

[dusk patrol]

Normal adult humans resemble Ogryn children which plays into them being so protective of “lil uns”

[dusk patrol]

Have you read any Space Wolves books?

Cause just being real they’re not like that, at all

[summer mural]

I know, I was memeing

I am not going to convince you that Ogryns are in fact like space wolves

still, I wish theyd bring back Khan before Russ

[green loom]

Almost all commissars everywhere are not native to a regiment's homeworld

Even if they are, they're typically orphans or otherwise yoinked away young

[dusk patrol]

I don’t think we have any examples of Commissars who aren’t Orphans

Helps them have no attachment to anything but the Commissariat

[green loom]

The vast majority of schola candidates are war orphans I think

[lavish patio]

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[ripe ravine]

yeah I knew it was common practice, but there's a reference in Cadian Blood where the company is assigned a foreign commissar and that's taken as an insult

but its an older book and the only example I can think of

[thorny turret]

ok ive been trying to find this for days now
i saw a comic/drawing thing of the emperor manifesting through a child-psyker to fend off a chaos incursion or something of the matter
does anyone know what story that comes from?
i distinctly remember a frame with a halo manifesting behind her head

[green loom]

Dark Imperium probably?

Oh wait visual thing

No idea, probably the marvel sisters of battle comics?

[thorny turret]

definitely not a comic
the style reminded me of luth/bolter to kokoro but i must be blind

[summer mural]

why did the sisters of silence get banished

[green loom]

No idea the.

*then

[rocky gale]

I know what you're talking about but I'll need to find it

[thorny turret]

thanks lol

[green loom]

Was it this

[thorny turret]

ive been digging for a while, i saw it SOMEWHERE on reddit but my dumbass forgot to save it

no

it was black and white

[spring cairn]

krak

[thorny turret]

I FOUDN IT

https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/comments/15ladqr/anathema_by_mick19988/

specifically this panel

[thorny turret]

according to Reddit, this is from Plague War

where the emperor possessed a psyker to help Guilliman defeat Mortarion

[rocky gale]

Yea you found it before I did, I knew I also remembered seeing it but could not remember a single thing that could help me locate it.

[thorny turret]

the fbi agent in my computer gonna be real confused

[green loom]

Oh hey I guessed it first try then lol

Right series anyway

[thorny turret]

oh lmao

[rocky gale]

All my searches involved Custodes because the only thing I could remember clearly was the panel of the Custodes saying "My Lord?"

[summer mural]

Is Guilliman one of the weaker primarch duellists

[green loom]

Ye

[thorny turret]

i havent actually read any of the books (ciaphas cain is eternally stuck on the 'to read soon™️' list)

[green loom]

Same

[queen laurel]

yes, but he more than makes up for it in strategy

[green loom]

I've just learned

An unhealthy amount

Via osmosis

And excerpts

[summer mural]

Could Guilliman beat Grimnar in a one on one fight?, he do be a primarch still

[green loom]

Easily

[thorny turret]

most likely

[green loom]

Like, trivially easily

[queen laurel]

yeah he wields the sword of the emperor

And yes he might not be a duelist but he's still not a slouch

[summer mural]

im also assuming grimnar is the best one on one fighter out of the current chapter masters

[thorny turret]

i mean, even w/o the sword

[green loom]

He's weak compared to other primarchs

[thorny turret]

he's still a primarch