40k-lore-chat

[wicked lion]

with the big arch sticking out of where his spine should be

[stray bluff]

It feels big time when im fighting 20 pox, 2 crushers, 6 ragers, 4 maulers and a sniper.

[wicked lion]

the one in front of him is yvraine

an eldar

[wicked lion]

the resurection of guilliman is fucking neat

[storm jungle]

Cawl is also fucking massive

[green loom]

Here's the art proper

[wicked lion]

hes also MOSTLY robot

hes cool

cawl is cool

[rocky gale]

He's also like 30 people's minds all combined into one at this point

[stray bluff]

Yeah the art of 40K, so religiony

[wicked lion]

hes also mostly insane

[stray bluff]

Love it

[wicked lion]

but thats fine

hes also ANCIENT

people often forget just how OLD cawl is

hes like 10 THOUSAND years old

[rocky gale]

Yea he predates the Heresy

[stray bluff]

Bar none, my favourite piece of art in 40K

[wicked lion]

"he" is a term were using loosely here

how much of him is the same him as 10k years ago is

up for debate

[rocky gale]

Yea, he keeps combining his mind with new people, then editing out bits that he no longer finds relevant

[wicked lion]

yes

hes a really cool character

[green loom]

We know how this went now so it's funny

[wicked lion]

one of my favorites

also, regularly commits tech heresy

[stray bluff]

It belongs in the Louvre

[wicked lion]

because, ya know

cawl things

🙂

only reason hes not a high lord of terra is because he specifically said NOT to make him one

otherwise he would be

[spare osprey]

Joazzz’s “dreadwing” is probably mine

It’s not much but I’m quite fond of it

[storm jungle]

SFM too

[green loom]

Some of my favs

[storm jungle]

really well done effects

[spare osprey]

His stuff is fantastic

[stray bluff]

So i read some “stuff”… the Angel might have went “Black Raged” and actually won the fight. They say Emps is the one who put down Sang

[wicked lion]

square helmet guardsman

lol

[green loom]

No he's dead

[wicked lion]

angel boy is SUPER dead

[wicked lion]

read again

[green loom]

That's the Elysian style, yo

[wicked lion]

more carefully

[spare osprey]

Battle of Tallarn

[wicked lion]

its STILL incorrect because the black rage is CAUSED by sanguinius's death

[stray bluff]

VERY nice

[inland sigil]

I know its not too special but this one will always have a special place in my art.
I bought an original/print version of it in a warhammer store :)

[stray bluff]

You are right, its a very flawed theory

[wicked lion]

sanguinius is the MOST dead primarch

like hes DEAD dead

[rocky gale]

He lives forever in my heart

[wicked lion]

horus is very slightly less dead

[green loom]

Believe this is another Jaime Martinez piece?

[wicked lion]

because chaoss

[stray bluff]

Sisters are my weakness

[inland sigil]

Ayo?

[rocky gale]

Horus is way more dead than Sanguinius

[stray bluff]

But the Sanguinor thing…

[inland sigil]

Id have to check!

[wicked lion]

let me rephrase, horus is less PERMANTLY dead

because chaos

[spare osprey]

I’ll post like 2 more of his normal 40K things

[green loom]

I think it is, that's 8t/9th Ed right?

[spare osprey]

Calth

The world eaters

[wicked lion]

chaos kinda does whatever the fuck it wants

[stray bluff]

How big is the print?

[wicked lion]

fucking tzeench

bullshit

[inland sigil]

Thats my wallpaper for my school pc lol

[spare osprey]

But beyond that, he was recently doing a really neat series

Making space marine armor more “knightly”

[wicked lion]

what do yall think about the theory that greyknights are made from magnus geneseed?

[stray bluff]

This guy is a master of the battle set piece

[spare osprey]

Wouldn’t make sense, since the t sons who joined also had their geneseed removed

[wicked lion]

iirc the theory goes that someone found some remaining geneseed from the legion SOMEWHERE

like from WAYYY back

and it got used to make greyknights

it mkaes more fucking sense than emps geneseed

[inland sigil]

Redbull for size comparison lol

[stray bluff]

@wicked lion can u explain Sanguinor to a newb?

[stray bluff]

Oh hefty size, nice

[wicked lion]

im not well versed in it

[green loom]

Shadow reveal?
Scandalous

[inland sigil]

[green loom]

It was a Sanguinary guardsman from the heresy who more or less turned into a warp entity I think?

[wicked lion]

dion you got some WILD hair

i dig it

[green loom]

He's a sort of avatar/messenger for Sanguinius

[wicked lion]

or atleast, thats what they believe

[green loom]

And represents one of the Angels of Baal

[stray bluff]

Hang on, is that a cosplay outfit behind i see purity seals

[inland sigil]

M-maybe

[wicked lion]

noice

[stray bluff]

@green loom you seem well-versed, pray tell whats the deal w Ollanus Pious

[spare osprey]

Also made an updated one of those old old dreads

[rocky gale]

Ollanus Pious was a cool idea that was ruined with time and story development

[wicked lion]

something to understand about 40k is many of the imperium SUBFACTIONS have more lore than the xenos FACTIONS

[green loom]

He's one of the iffy Dan characters
He's part of a group called the Perpetuals, humans who, in one way or another, are immortal
Olly has been around longer than Emps, and mostly exists as a window for us into the universe iirc

[inland sigil]

Totally isnt btw.

[stray bluff]

Thanks

[wicked lion]

FOREHEAD REVEAL

[spare osprey]

Some actual pieces

[wicked lion]

[stray bluff]

hOlY SiGmA

[green loom]

I actually lied, I'm my favourite artist

[wicked lion]

wait what

[green loom]

Jk I hate most of my art

[wicked lion]

i thought artists HATED their own art

[wicked lion]

ok i was gonna say XD

[stray bluff]

Common Human W

[wicked lion]

cant fool me eldarius

no artist likes their own art

its not possible

[rocky gale]

Ollanus Pious started out as basically a normal Guardsman who stood between Horus in defence of the Emperor and was then prompty squished, then he was turned into a perpetual and made into some immortal dude when the cool factor of the original idea was that he was just a regular dude standing in defiance before a Demi god

[wicked lion]

because you see all the flaws with it that nobody else will ever notice

[stray bluff]

Should i watch Luetin.. Major Kill, who is THE 40K Lore Youtuber?

[inland sigil]

Took my a great strenght not to make a very gross joke

[inland sigil]

Ridiculous, now watch me getting jumped.

[wicked lion]

how do yall rate adeptus rediculous for learning lore for a BRAND NEW person

like SPECIFICALLY for someone BRAND NEW to 40k lore

[green loom]

They're all various shades of bad

[inland sigil]

Pretty good if you dont care for tooooo in depth things.

[stray bluff]

I really hate the guy who wrote him into a perpetual lol, talk about ruined character

[green loom]

Awful, horrible, terrible

[stray bluff]

Come now, for real?

[green loom]

At least TTS has a script

[inland sigil]

They are my main source of lore tbh, I cant focus on super detailed/in depth/immersive lore readings whenever I go to school, so I really do enjoy the podcast version

[stray bluff]

Thanks for the suggestions @inland sigil

[green loom]

It's not really a good way to appreciate it
Though I like listening to Templin institute and Arbitor Ian

[inland sigil]

Dont give me too much credit cuz apparently everyone else thinks they suck

[green loom]

Bricky is very bad at this

And I love Bricky

[wicked lion]

i get more lore from a mix of adric, poorhammer podcast, the wiki, asking chat gpt questions, and reddit

[green loom]

But his 40k content is his weakest link, and by a LOT

[wicked lion]

its also, like, the majority of his content isnt it?

[stray bluff]

Well i always have you guys if all things fail

[green loom]

No

He's variety mainly

[wicked lion]

like even his gaming channel has a ton of warhammer stuff

[green loom]

40k is just ridiculously lucrative

[inland sigil]

He diiiid introduce alot of people to 40k doe so I'll atleast give him that.

[green loom]

But like

Watch his modern warfare video

Then watch his 40k content

[stray bluff]

Thank u milkandcookiesTW for introducing Darktide

[green loom]

It's like he's playing an entirely different, mostly just dumber, character

Or he doesn't have a script

[wicked lion]

i think he just loves the stupidity of warhammer

like warhammer in inherently DUMB

[stray bluff]

Grim Dumb

[green loom]

I mean of course you do when your "source" for a video is barely skimming a fandom article

[urban spire]

i personally don't think youtube videos are a great way to get into 40k lore

[green loom]

Yeah same

[urban spire]

more like garnish

[stray bluff]

@wicked lion i adore your enthusiasm, never change

[spare osprey]

DEDWUNNNNNN

[green loom]

Like I did this for a long, LONG time

[spare osprey]

WOOOOO

[wicked lion]

i love warhammer memes just as much as i enjoy the actual lore

[stray bluff]

Ok first book for a newb baby, please suggest one

[green loom]

But books are sooo much better for appreciating 40k

[urban spire]

it's like tryna learn japanese by watching a lot of anime, you can technically do it but you should probably get a proper education

[urban spire]

pick a dan abnett novel series

or ciaphas cain

[green loom]

Has trey shared progress pics of my newest thing

[stray bluff]

Ok Dan should be pretty consistent vibes considering DT is my first foray

[green loom]

Yes

Gaunts Ghosts is pretty nice

[stray bluff]

I will try Horus Rising

[urban spire]

gaunt's ghosts takes a little while to get really good

[green loom]

But it's an inoffensive start

Introduces you to a lot of concepts

[urban spire]

i personally think the inquisitor novels are the best place to start with abnett since they're captivating right away

[wicked lion]

if it wasnt BLATANTLY obvious, orks are my favorite faction

[urban spire]

you get to see a lot of the non-war bits of the imperium

[wicked lion]

seeing as they are the meme-iest faction in 40k

[urban spire]

they sure are

[wicked lion]

orks are fucking goofy

like

HORRIFIC

but goofy

[stray bluff]

Eisenhorn then

[wicked lion]

squigs are dumb

[urban spire]

that's my bias yeah

[rocky gale]

Brothers of the Snake was my first 40k book, got it from the town library back when I was like 10 and far too young to be reading that stuff.

[inland sigil]

So for 40k do we have like a time span of like when in the 41st we are?
Like do we have dates or whatever or is it just "somewhere between 40.000 and 40.999?"

[urban spire]

abnett isn't actually that strict with his lore adherence but he's a genuinely good author and also "abnett wrote it" is a very good counter to someone tryna "well actually" you on lore

[stray bluff]

Damn, what a guy

[inland sigil]

Id bring up his NL trilogy again but ive been banned from speaking about it ever again

[green loom]

We used to be perpetually stuck in 999m41

[urban spire]

we're actually in the 42nd now lol

[green loom]

Now the precise date is up in the air

[inland sigil]

Rename the franchise >:(

[stray bluff]

I see why Fatshark got him on board… but sadly only to not do much w him

[green loom]

He did enough

[queen laurel]

because of their goofiness, people often forget important things like the fact that even the smallest one in the tribe is strong enough to rip a fully grown adult limbs off one by one and also cave in their head with a single punch

[green loom]

Or how they keep their slaves

[stray bluff]

Even Makari? Lol

[urban spire]

idk i think a novel getting too grimdark with orks is usually a red flag

[queen laurel]

he's a grot

[wicked lion]

goofy, but brutal

[stray bluff]

Ah

[wicked lion]

notably, also brutal, but goofy

orks

gotta love em

[stray bluff]

Ah u are doing the gods thing

[wicked lion]

hes THE grot

[wicked lion]

yes

[stray bluff]

I imagine them Orks to be stronger than our beloved Ogryns

Thats scary

[wicked lion]

no

ogryns are stronger

but also dumber

[queen laurel]

nope

[wicked lion]

well

dumber and smarter

in different ways

[stray bluff]

God damn i really question their playable status in Darktide

[wicked lion]

the ones in darktide have implants to make them smarter

[plush mason]

well an ogryn would be stronger than the average ork

[wicked lion]

yes

on AVERAGE ogryns are stronger

[queen laurel]

yes most of the time that would be the case, but please don't forget that orks grow indefinitely

[stray bluff]

I dont want a Hound to keep me down the next time im on Ogryn EVER

[wicked lion]

but the strongest orks are stronger than the strongest ogryns

[green loom]

Only one does

[queen laurel]

so there are orks larger than Leman russ tanks

[urban spire]

orks grow depending on social standing don't they? it's not like an alligator situation

[stray bluff]

I wanna stop a Mutie’s charge

[wicked lion]

yes, ghazghull is wildy powerful

and quite intelligent

[queen laurel]

they grow with how many battles they win, the more battles they win the more larger they get, the respect of other orks acts as a growth serum

[urban spire]

ork intelligence is WILDLY variable to be fair

[wicked lion]

yes, but the AVERAGE ork is pretty fucking stupid

ogryn are

how do i put this

theyre kinda like children

[urban spire]

kept intentionally uneducated

[wicked lion]

really, really big children

[stray bluff]

Idk my Bodyguard Ogryn sounds pretty wise

[queen laurel]

and an ogryn can definitely put a decent fight and even win on an unaugmented war boss

[wicked lion]

also likely true

but an ork warboss is never alone

[urban spire]

ogryn vs warboss is 100% down to who has the most main character juice

[wicked lion]

always has an AMRY of boyz

[queen laurel]

But like I said ork warbosses are also varied in nature

[wicked lion]

nork vs ghaz would be fucking awesome

[wicked lion]

very true

[queen laurel]

ghaz is like double the height of an average war boss

[wicked lion]

ghaz is op

[queen laurel]

he is like 20ft

[wicked lion]

hes LARGE

ogryn are like

8 feet?

[stray bluff]

Yarricks bff

[wicked lion]

i think?

they BIG

and VERY strong

like

[queen laurel]

the largest ogryn grow 10 feet

[wicked lion]

unreasonably strong

[wicked lion]

space marines are 8

largets space marines are also 10

[queen laurel]

the same size as an average war boss

[wicked lion]

so ogryns are space marine sized

[stray bluff]

Primaris?

[green loom]

Taller

[urban spire]

space marines are that tall in armour

[urban spire]

without armour space marines are only a bit larger than humans

[wicked lion]

well only a bit TALLER

SUBSTAINTALY larger

very chunky

[queen laurel]

space marine that is the first born is 7 feet

[stray bluff]

Meanwhile Emps :

[green loom]

There's marines like Seydon who are well over 4 meters iirc

[urban spire]

i am almost as tall as a space marine irl

[wicked lion]

for reference, the largest known space marine is the red wake

whos fucking HUGE

[green loom]

He's not even close

[urban spire]

emps is like 5'4 it's all illusions

[wicked lion]

really?

[green loom]

Yeah

[wicked lion]

i thought he was the largest currently

[green loom]

He's a head taller than his termie bodyguard

[green loom]

Seydon stands a full meter taller than his other marines

[wicked lion]

i mean 12 feet is pretty tall

[green loom]

That's literally a weird article lol

[wicked lion]

correct

i think his wiki gives a smaller number

[green loom]

He's not much taller than a marine

Like a head at most

He's just average tall, not Seydon tall

Seydon, chapter master of the Iron Snakes, stands a full meter taller than his brothers

[wicked lion]

tyberos wears modified tactical dreadnought armor

so like

hes BIG

[green loom]

You know who else wears modified tactical dreadnought armour

[wicked lion]

seydon?

[queen laurel]

yeah black Dragons thanks to their mutation are over 3 meters tall

[stray bluff]

I like this description of Emps

[green loom]

Virtually every captain

[wicked lion]

fair enough

[green loom]

Tyberos is quoted as being a head taller than his bodyguard in a Charcharadons book

[wicked lion]

that... doesnt count

they arent "space marines"

theyre something else

space marine adjacent

but not space marines

or atleast thats how i view it

[urban spire]

yep, empra is just a dude

it's all mind tricks

[green loom]

The only reason he's thought to be so tall is fan art
But he's not even that tall in said fan art, the perspective is just fucked, and people are too stupid to realize this

[urban spire]

hold on now black dragons are space marines

[stray bluff]

I love it, short king 👑

[wicked lion]

i know the emperor is the most powerful psyker in the imperium

[queen laurel]

by that logic a space wolf is not a is also not a space marine because they can get the curse of the Wulfen

[stray bluff]

But he hates Psykers and Psykers hate him

[wicked lion]

but is demon magnus or calcador?

[wicked lion]

i mean...

they kinda are heresy

🤷

[urban spire]

this is the path of Being Fucking Weird About the Lore

do not go down this path

[wicked lion]

fair enough

but yeah, whos a more powerful psyker

demon magnus or malcador?

like

im curious

because i know both are like GIGA powerful psykers

[urban spire]

probably malcador because he was complete bullshit

[wicked lion]

obviously emps is a more powerful psyker, or atleast was at some point

because emps is a god

[queen laurel]

Multiple times it has been stated that he is only second to the emperor

[wicked lion]

yes, but thats NOT true

hes second to the emperor IN THE IMPERIUM

you are not gonna tell me malcador is more powerful than fucking TZEENCH

i refuse to accept that

[urban spire]

whether or not tzeentch counts as a psyker is a fun debate to have

[queen laurel]

the emperor is just an extremely powerful Psyker not a god, trust me you wouldn't want to call him a God after you found out how he decided to get rid of his worshippers

[urban spire]

and by fun i mean i deeply regret bringing this up immediately

[queen laurel]

Right now yes he is being worshipped as one but back in the day when he was alive he's just extra powerful

[wicked lion]

ive always undestood that line as malcador is second only to the the emperor IN THE IMPERIUM

[wicked lion]

i know that part of the lore scroll up

we had this conversation already

he denys it but for all intents and purposes he IS a god

or atleast very, very close to one

[green loom]

Per the custodes and eldar
The different is purely semantics/doesn't actually matter past a certain point

[urban spire]

emps has a significant warp presence but he doesn't rate anywhere close to as high as the big 4

[wicked lion]

no, obviously not

but i didnt say he was a MAIN god

like there are a bunch of chaos gods who ARENT the big 4

[urban spire]

i'm just defining our terms

[wicked lion]

yes, hes not even CLOSE to as powerful as the big 4

they are all like 1000nds of times more powerful

[queen laurel]

You think people would get that coming into here over playing biggie but Nope a lot of people genuinely believe he is powerful as one of the chaos gods

[urban spire]

anyway i think malcador was more powerful than daemon magnus is now

but it's difficult to measure daemon psykers because they can't just hang out in realspace and do whatever they want

[wicked lion]

but, like, vashtorr?

or an even more minor god of chaos?

[crisp heath]

Ok so yea... idiras prophexies are directly linked to the upcoming quests you have... at least the major ones... the first was definitely about Cassia, which I think I handled well. Chose Theobald, and saved her servants. Even accidently saved some uve chick so she can slice and dice him for her paintings.

[wicked lion]

peak emps could certainly put up a fight

[queen laurel]

i mean what is Daemon Magnus most impressive psychic feet anyway?

[wicked lion]

hed still likely lose

[urban spire]

idk they're probably about the same size

sorry

[wicked lion]

but hes much closer to the power of a minor god of chaos than the power of a human, if you see what i mean

atleast from my understanding

vashtorr might have been a bad choice

[urban spire]

but yeah that's what i mean, malcador was in our reality and could at any moment just do stuff, which means there are a lot of records of him doing stuff, while daemon magnus isn't in our reality and doesn't have a lot of records of him doing stuff

vashtorr seems to have more agency than the emperor

emps hasn't done very much in the last 11k years

[wicked lion]

PEAK emps not current emps

current emps is a shell of his former self

glorified battery

[stray bluff]

What fucks me up are the “nulls” why they just have no warp presence

[wicked lion]

not a god not even close

[urban spire]

oh before he got owned and glued to the toilet? he did not rate as even a minor god back then, just alpha plus

[wicked lion]

cool

we need like

a power scale

for 40k

between regular ass dude and old one

[crisp heath]

@urban spire this is false. While malcador was very powerful, he was not on par with magnus in terms of psychic ability. Nor was the lady... I forget her name. Malcador was strong, very much so. Dude took a full on punch from angron and walked it off, and force choked one of the other primarchs like it was nothing for almost spilling the beans on the forgotten legions. That said, magnus is entirely on a seperate level in terms of ability and usage thereof. We can say all day long theoretically someone is strong, but until the have that measure by lifting weights or hitting a bag, it's undefined. Magnus is the most defined psycher out there aside from Eldrad and both of their feats make malcador and frankly every other psycher but the emperor look like chumps. And for good reason...

It's like their whole purpose

[wicked lion]

it IS repeatedly stated that regular magnus was a less powerful psyker than malcador

[urban spire]

fair enough

30k is a weak point for me

[crisp heath]

@wicked lion where?

[wicked lion]

i could also be misremembering

[crisp heath]

Because malcador couldn't take the golden throne

[wicked lion]

im gonna do RESEARCH

TO THE WIKI

[crisp heath]

While magnus coukd

[wicked lion]

malcador DID take the golden throne

i mean yeah he DIED from it

[urban spire]

didn't malcador hold down the golden throne for a little while

[crisp heath]

For a limited time

And I'm pretty sure it killed him or almost did

[wicked lion]

but even being able to sustain it for a while takes in INCREDIBLE amount of power

[crisp heath]

Sure

But magnus could do so indefinitely

[queen laurel]

While yes that would be good, scales like that crumbles when I introduce the avatar of khaine into it, that thing is avatar of a violent war god but it gets choked out, a statue of a violent war god got choked out, this setting is the most malleable in terms of power levels so it's not gonna stick for a while

[urban spire]

what the hell is a sigilite anyway

[crisp heath]

Un chaos fucked

[wicked lion]

-quote, the warhammer wiki

[urban spire]

you want lexicanum for accuracy

[queen laurel]

do not trust the wiki

[urban spire]

the other one has sourcing issues

[wicked lion]

i dont trust anything fully

[wicked lion]

ill check it

[queen laurel]

This is coming from everyone here do not trust it very rarely is it right

[crisp heath]

Perhaps being key word... but again... I take known feats over words like that

[urban spire]

the avatar of khaine has been treated so poorly

[queen laurel]

You can throw him in with the swarm Lord as well

[wicked lion]

hmmmmmmmmmm

[crisp heath]

https://tenor.com/view/look-how-they-massacred-my-boy-godfather-sad-cry-hurt-gif-16433641

@urban spire

[wicked lion]

POTENTIALLY more powerful than magnus the red

so demon magnus is for sure more powerful

as a psyker

[crisp heath]

Again... potentially being key word...

And when taking psychic feats into account. They do not match up

[wicked lion]

malcador was, at SOME POINT, likely more powerful than magnus is what i get from this enterpretation

[crisp heath]

Sure... when he was a baby maybe...

[wicked lion]

but even BEFORE he turned traitor, magnus was more powerful

[crisp heath]

Ffs...

[wicked lion]

dope

hate that the lore doesnt just say for certain

but

thats warhammer for ya

[urban spire]

it's whatever

[crisp heath]

Except for magnus had his full psychic potential from before birth

And him and the emperor had whole conversations across galaxy

In womb

And through childhood

[urban spire]

ultimately doesn't matter since malcador is dead

[crisp heath]

This^

And never got a chance to show off anything to verify any claims

[urban spire]

oh he founded the inquisition, neat

founded the grey knights, less neat

[wicked lion]

correct

but NOTHING in warhammer lore matters because its fiction

sooooooooo

relavence is what we make of it

[urban spire]

there are degrees of mattering, i think

and power level arguments rate pretty low

[wicked lion]

he founded the assassinorum i think?

[crisp heath]

But... that's like
.. managerial stuff. Like gulliman stuff. Very cool, very powerful in its own way... but not necessarily like... psychic might? Maybe in the training of the grey knights...

[urban spire]

it's just easy to get sucked into them

[wicked lion]

grey knights lore is dumb

i dont like it

[urban spire]

same

[wicked lion]

arent they canonicaly made from emperor geneseed?

created AFTER he went on the throne?

[crisp heath]

Something like that

[wicked lion]

where the HELL did they get get geneseed from a skeleton?

[crisp heath]

I'm not 100 on it

He's still alive you know?

[wicked lion]

yeah

[crisp heath]

He's not actually a skely

[wicked lion]

hes "alive"

technically

[urban spire]

there's meat on them bones

[crisp heath]

I mean... but for real

[wicked lion]

if hes on life support

his face is bone

[urban spire]

the bone face is very old artwork

don't get me wrong it's incredibly good artwork

but it's like third edition?

[wicked lion]

like not just the tts image we all know, but a lot of them show him with skeleton head

[urban spire]

oh neat, never seen that

still, that's a lot more meat than the old one

[crisp heath]

Unfortunately we've never been given a clear artwork of the emperor on the throne, but in all likelihood, His body is mostly been traded out for mechanical parts at this point. And likely only the most integral structures, as what's shown above, is left. That is fan made though, if I'm not mistaken.

[wicked lion]

no idea how official that image is

not a clue

[queen laurel]

mr house lookin

[wicked lion]

how official IS the tts emps image?

like obviously its not FROM tts

but i suspect many people think of THIS image when they think of emps on the throne

[crisp heath]

Very, I believe that's from gw

[wicked lion]

like, thats his RIBCAGE

[urban spire]

yeah that's one of the older ones, the one i'm pretty sure is from 3rd edition, but that shit's hard to google

[wicked lion]

there is VERY little meat of them bones

[crisp heath]

Yep. Dudes been there for millenia. But again, he needs to be alive, so his brain and heart are intact, and he has mechanics likely helping to pump blood

[urban spire]

anyway i don't think anyone knows exactly what the deal is with grey knights here because nobody cares enough to look into it

fuck them knights

[crisp heath]

He has DNA to take from

[wicked lion]

i mean i LOVE their aesthetic

[urban spire]

i think it is dumb

[wicked lion]

super dumb

but again, im an orks fan

i LIKE dumb warhammer shit

thats kinda my jam

[queen laurel]

They are in the top three of the Mary sues for the chapters

Next to them being the ultramarines and space wolfs

[wicked lion]

soooooooooo

FUCK THE SPACE WOLVES

I WANT THE RED SCARS

way cooler

[crisp heath]

Nah... I like them. I've just not really delved deep. The grey knights are dope in that, at least fucking somebody knows what the fuck seems to be going on with chaos in the imperium

[wicked lion]

go fast, kick ass

[queen laurel]

They have gotten a bit better over the years I'm willing to admit well yes they still have not the best moments they're much more tolerable compared to in the heresy

[green loom]

Iirc it's always been the intent that any physical showing of Emps is just a fascimile hiding the real thing

[wicked lion]

i dont actually HATE them i just think they could be more interesting and not just

[crisp heath]

Lol but viking bro, maaaan

[wicked lion]

wolf vikings

[urban spire]

grey knights are incredibly awkward because they fill a niche already filled by the inquisition, except they are betterer-er at it than the inquisition because reasons

[queen laurel]

Horus heresy space wolves are much worse than in 40K

[wicked lion]

you could do so much MORE with them

[queen laurel]

Jesus Christ those guys can burn in prospero

[wicked lion]

thats why i like modren guilliman

hes got character

he does things, and things happen to him

or happened

he feels like a character and not just an archetype

and i realize im comparing a man to a legion

but you know what im getting at

that shot of guilliman on the throne looking super fucking depressed while hes getting an iron hallow is one of my favorite peices of warhammer art

you can just FEEL whats hes thinking

its great

[urban spire]

could you link that

[wicked lion]

this shot is so good

[crisp heath]

Because the Inquisition is the Inquisition.. it makes total sense to me. Where ones beurocratic, dogmatic, schismed to high hell, and tied down by more red tape then the Cia after a cocain deal, the other is militaristic, cohesive, with very little infighting and are much more malleable in their approach without having to form a whole nother caste to pursue it. Votes are taken and progess made. That's why the grey knights end up being better

[queen laurel]

yeah this is also one of the best images to show how large belisarius is

[urban spire]

idk he looks kinda constipated

[wicked lion]

hes LARGE yes

[wicked lion]

i mean im pretty sure his suit has a waste disposal

sooooooo

[crisp heath]

@queen laurel remember, the Emperor somehow dwarfed him

Just to put to scale how big the emperor was when alive and active

[queen laurel]

yeah the guy is a master bio mancer so

No surprise there

[wicked lion]

emps is like 20 feet or something

[crisp heath]

Dude was insane lolol

[urban spire]

you don't see how two factions that serve the same purpose but one is objectively better in every way is narratively problematic?

[crisp heath]

Nope. Not at all. It actually makes it seem more realistic to me

[urban spire]

well i'm not in the mood to argue

[crisp heath]

Not trying to. Just giving my honest opinion to the question you asked me...

[urban spire]

yeah just saying i'm not gonna

[wicked lion]

google says between 3.5 and 4 meters tall the emperor was

[wet sandal]

i'm assuming i'm about to down a shot of high-octane fuel

[wicked lion]

but there is no fucking was thats accurate

[urban spire]

because normally i would

[wicked lion]

not a goddam chance

[urban spire]

vehemently

[wicked lion]

because hes LARGE here

he looks several feet taller than sanguinius

well

hmmm

i wonder

[urban spire]

he'd also have to be a weird spaghetti man to fit in that armour

[queen laurel]

thank goodness when i decided to drink this thing i am as tough as adamantine

[wicked lion]

is it possible the emperor could change how tall he was? i know he could change how tall people PERCIEVE him

is it possible he can change his actual height?

[crisp heath]

@wicked lion it varied depending on who he was meeting with. My interpretation is nobody actually knows his real height or appearance, that every time he used his power to appear as he need to for his purpose. Like a tech priest sees the ommnisiah in him. Cold, calculated, majestic, hard. A soroitas sees a golden God, magnificent, giant, powerful, so on..

[urban spire]

i think he was probably not that physically imposing behind all his warp tricks

[wicked lion]

the sororitas have talked to him iirc

like

post throne

[crisp heath]

I know.

Many have talked with him

[wicked lion]

hence the whole murding goge vandire

[crisp heath]

And each had a different experience

[wicked lion]

but like how tho?

how he talk?

[urban spire]

telepathy

[crisp heath]

Before he went on the throne

And that

[urban spire]

he just beams shit into your brain

[wicked lion]

how... sane is current emps?

[crisp heath]

Literally yes

[urban spire]

not sane at all

deeply fucked up

[crisp heath]

Not exactly very going off gulimans account

[wicked lion]

so its possible they were talking to just a fragment of his concious?

[crisp heath]

Literally also yes

[urban spire]

distinct possibility

[wicked lion]

is it possible hes got split personality?

[crisp heath]

But I won't spoil the newer books

I won't spoil anything further

[wicked lion]

i dont care i dont fucking read

i PREFER getting my lorehammer from other people

[crisp heath]

Ugghh

Finnne

[urban spire]

it's called dissociative personality, but i don't think so

[wicked lion]

ah, sorry

dissociative is a more accurate term too

with my limited understanding of how it works

[crystal forum]

egg

[wicked lion]

but in emps case, SPLIT might ACTUALLY be a better descriptor

his mental state certainly isnt normal

[crisp heath]

Basically in the fight between horus and sangy, when the emperor finally fucks up horus, he almost ascends. To stop that, he separates out his humanity, and everything good. Basically his whole personality, and sealed it away and gave it to someone for safe keeping. Then, the parts of him left that were necessary to run the golden throne and operate in the materium, the cold clinical thing gulliman ended up talking to, sat down and has been sat there ever since

And that sealed part of him? That's the Star child theory

[green loom]

Think we're well past the "theory" now

[crisp heath]

True

[urban spire]

he separated out everything good in his personality? can't have taken very long

[wicked lion]

star child?

this is a term unfamiliar to me

[green loom]

[wicked lion]

worst dad

smh

obviously magnus did a ton of shit wrong

im not gonna defend him

but angron? yeah emps kinda created that problem

[queen laurel]

You destroyed your sons effort by burning the innocent people and the world he converted in order to worship you

I mean I get you don't want to be worshipped but you could have done it in a alot of different ways that would have been a lot better

[crisp heath]

@urban spire well, honestly, everything good is a positive spin. He basically downloaded everything except what was necessary, what's on the throne is just pure warp power and the fragments of consciousness capable of weilding it meaningfully for the Imperium and operating the throne

[wicked lion]

yeah

magnus did a ton of shit wrong buuuuuuuuuuut

also emps couldve probably treated him a LITTLE better

[green loom]

Magnus would've fucked himself somehow

[wicked lion]

leaving demigods in the dark about your plans? probably not the best idea

[green loom]

Same as Pert

[urban spire]

should have made the primarchs girls

j/s

[green loom]

If the emperor's form changed depending on your perception, could you perceive Him as Her?

[urban spire]

no way

[wicked lion]

unlikely

[queen laurel]

if there was a primarch who is a girl, the damage it would cost to the fandom would reborn slannesh

[crisp heath]

@green loom only if he wanted you too

[wicked lion]

he chooses HOW you percieve him

[wicked lion]

this

[crisp heath]

But yes, he could make you see him however he wanted

[wicked lion]

its almost certain that someone, at some point, did percieve him as female

or at the very least

not a man

[crisp heath]

He made his appearance tailor to who he met subjectively

[urban spire]

the emperor DEFINITELY had some Issues With Women

[wicked lion]

for sure

[green loom]

Oh it's confirmed he posed as a warrior queen at some point iirc

[crisp heath]

So it was still him doing it, you just influence it off your preconceptions

[green loom]

He simply liked men

[wicked lion]

his lover was malcador obviously

[crisp heath]

Dude... he gave nuns guns. He's the most progressive monarch ever whatcha mean?

Lolol

[wicked lion]

LMAO

i dont even think he MADE the sororitas

[green loom]

Don't forget his personal crafted legion of oiled men with chiseled abs that agree with everything he says

[wicked lion]

yeah he didnt

didnt goge make them?

[green loom]

Ye

[crisp heath]

Shhhhhh

[wicked lion]

thats what i thought

[wicked lion]

i just assumed you were roleplaying the average guardsman

XD

[crisp heath]

A bit lolol

[wicked lion]

lmao

[urban spire]

i will refrain from subjecting lore chat to a withering blast of feminist literary analysis but most of the lore was written in the aughts to sell plastic crack to 14 year old boys, the Issues are baked pretty deep into the setting lol

[wicked lion]

yes

[storm jungle]

yeah 40k was made as a macho boy fantasy setting

[crisp heath]

🤣 yea.... no denying that

[storm jungle]

Like it took GW 30 years to even but anyone that wasnt white into mainline stuff

💀

or you know, women outside of sororitas

[green loom]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxnqZ231k5jaYhklXZ9uim8fDd4jSuJVCY?si=CcpBz_8lsWJNveDs

This clip applies to a lot of things 40k

[crisp heath]

Wait... what about The Salamanders?

[storm jungle]

They arent black

[wicked lion]

welllllll

[storm jungle]

They aren't

[crisp heath]

They aren't white neither so I mean....

[storm jungle]

they arent an ethnicity tho

its literally just volcanic ash skin

[green loom]

Their skin is an unnatural pigment of literal jet oil black due to a malfunctioning organ

[storm jungle]

^

[wicked lion]

well thats what i was gonna say

[crisp heath]

Are we talking African cause I don't think that continent exists in 40k, and after millenia of dilution... would that even be a thing?

[queen laurel]

my brother in christ their planet turns them into that

[wicked lion]

they arent, like, "black" in the way we think of black

[storm jungle]

I mean african-americans still exist in 40k

so the country not being there doesn't matter

[wicked lion]

but they are, like, BLACK

[storm jungle]

humanity spread far

[wicked lion]

like, absence of light black

[urban spire]

african-imperials
fuck that's a cursed term

[storm jungle]

LOL

[green loom]

They're not black in the sense they're no African, their skin is literally tar black

[queen laurel]

now now don't mention any specific races because the fandom might get a little war driven, we don't know how many of them are crawling in the walls

[wicked lion]

fucking love this image

[urban spire]

no, pigment black, read some colour theory

[green loom]

I think in portrayals ethnicity for them tends to vary

[wicked lion]

goes hard

[storm jungle]

yeah not every salamander is also african coded

[green loom]

Like Sakan from Pariah is a bit more asian looking iirc?

[crisp heath]

..... im.... confused... does it matter where they come from... I figured by 40 millenia in the future, with actual mutants and xenos, we'd either be past racism or actually categorize by color again...

[storm jungle]

I mean

the Imperium is incredibly racist even to its own populace

its just not exactly showed for obvious reasons

💀

[wicked lion]

no they ARE kinda mutants

[queen laurel]

Sorry my guy the racism just went from casual to competitive

[wicked lion]

their pure black skin is a mutation from thier homeworld

[crisp heath]

🤣 💀

[storm jungle]

Its because of reasons like this yes

now imagine reading this in a book

[wicked lion]

yeah not GREAT phrasing

but thats the lore

i think they look fucking COOL

[storm jungle]

Yeah GW was also like

massively racist with warhammer fantasy

💀

[crisp heath]

Like... isn't that how black skin happens here...

[storm jungle]

Salamanders are not african-coded.

[queen laurel]

should i pull up the image?

[crisp heath]

A mutation in melanin due to sun rich zones near the equator...

[wicked lion]

no, donta wanna get banned

[green loom]

For us it's a natural thing
Salamanders are not naturally tar black

[storm jungle]

^

[wicked lion]

but send it to me for context

[storm jungle]

Thats the point yeah

[crisp heath]

So like... again... the salamanders are flipping black dammit,

[wicked lion]

no, salamanders are black because their geneseed makes them black

[storm jungle]

they arent

Salamanders basically got dudes from every ethnicity in their ranks

[green loom]

The average marine will change skin tone rapidly based on radiation

[urban spire]

the imperium differentiates between standard genetic mutation resulting in genetic diversity and mutations as a result of warp taint, IN THEORY

[wicked lion]

your skin colour changes to tar black when you become a salamander

[urban spire]

in practice, less so

[storm jungle]

the charcoal skin is not a natural thing

[wicked lion]

correct

its a mutation from their homeworld

where vulcan comes from

i BELIEVE all of the people on that planet have it

[green loom]

Imperial discrimination has more to do with you staying along the "holy human form" than skin colour iirc

[wicked lion]

but im not positive

i KNOW vulkan has it

[green loom]

It's why even small mutations result in shunning

[storm jungle]

you can get lynched for being too tall

and etc

[wicked lion]

which, ya know

[crisp heath]

.... but they turn black for the same reasons are blacks turn black lololol, there are some midnight brothers out there. Lol like, on a real level it totally seems like the same thing, just different planet...

[wicked lion]

is WILD considering what the space marines are

[green loom]

The people don't, the marines specifically don't, they're based on the more irradiated moon iirc

[wicked lion]

but being hypocrites is very much a running theme

[urban spire]

it's about matching the expected norm, if you go somewhere your skin colour has literally never been seen before you might be in trouble

[queen laurel]

genetic purity you love to see it

[wicked lion]

i thought the marines did?

[green loom]

Oh yeah probably

[urban spire]

the imperium is intensely xenophobic

[green loom]

Sorry autocorrect works weird late

It's a reaction of the marines organ to Nocturne

[wicked lion]

i know for ABSOLUTE CERTAIN that vulkan is pitch black with glowing red eyes and looks fucking AWESOME

[green loom]

On a technical level it's the same concept as human skin colour adapting

[arctic talon]

the humans have normal black skin

or other skin tones

[urban spire]

vulkan is like the one primarch i think has something neat going on aesthetically

[wicked lion]

ah

that makes sense considering how skin tone diverstiy on earth happened

[storm jungle]

Yeah its more that the salamanders arent african coded.

They got dudes that look asian, african, white, etc among them as you can see in official artwork.

[green loom]

But this specifically is an unnatural pigment of pitch black, to the point their skin resembles cooled lava more than actual dark skin

[storm jungle]

in Pariah Nexus Sa'kaan is literally asian

[urban spire]

i find salamanders to be the least intolerable chapter

[wicked lion]

yeah, they got like facial structure of all kinds of races

just with tar black skin

[storm jungle]

yeah

ethnicity in the Imperium is fairly mixed

[wicked lion]

yes

imperium is far too busy being xenophobic to be racist XD

[arctic talon]

lol

[urban spire]

the inquisitor in dow1 was black

[wicked lion]

but still, you cant tell me vulkan doesnt look super fucking cool

[green loom]

Man I want to play more rogue trader

[tough haven]

Does warp burn stack in RT?

[wicked lion]

my favorite space marine legions are the salamanders and the white scars

[green loom]

Predictably I like the Angels

[urban spire]

none, all bad
none of you are free of sin

[green loom]

Definitely not

[wicked lion]

no obviously the salamanders arent GOOD people

they are just the LEAST terrible

rogue traders are the most reasonable people

if we are being completely honest

[green loom]

Depends on the trader

[crisp heath]

Lol, I get that they aren't African coded. But again, not every black person is from africa, or has to be when we become a multi planet species, the same thing that makes Africans and other gain melanated skin will happen there as well. And we have people with extremely dark skin already in the world. These are a few models known for it.

[green loom]

I mean have you met Incendia?

[urban spire]

damn she looks great

i'm feeling very normal

[crisp heath]

Right!?

They look amazing honestly

[storm jungle]

Yeah but this isnt how 40k does it

its literally just pre-existing races/ethnicites from the 21st century because the writers are lazy.

Almost no book character in 40k has a "skin condition"

the ones that usually do have something get lynched/killed

[wicked lion]

this is why i like the orks

[storm jungle]

Their skintone is also never brought up because its a setting written by british writers and they could hardly even handle a subject like this lol

[wicked lion]

they hate ALL humans

GREEN is the best skin tone

fuck you

[crisp heath]

🤣

@storm jungle also fair

[plush mason]

oh so i was playing a game about the space wolves a while back and in one mission of the space wolves mentions how he can eat a traitor marine's brain to learn his memories. is that canon and if so is it just something the space wolves can do or is it all marines

[urban spire]

orcs have an extremely rocky history in fantasy as a stand-in for an ethnicity that it's "okay" to genocide

[crisp heath]

They can all do it

[urban spire]

the term "greenskin" still makes me real uncomfortable for this reason

[queen laurel]

It's a space marine standard

[queen laurel]

Please do not remind me of that

[storm jungle]

Its best to just not think about it

[queen laurel]

It's not a good look

[plush mason]

ye

[queen laurel]

Old GW was different

[green loom]

That's the Omophagaea

Or something

[queen laurel]

Better forget about them than remember them

[green loom]

The spelling is dumb

[crisp heath]

Tolkien be like: "they're Mongolian"
Also Tolkien: "I have learned and grown and the orcs are no longer evil."

[storm jungle]

Im very sure when Tolkien made orcs he wasnt thinking of uncultured african tribesmen.

He also showed big regret in making them one-sided mindless monsters

[urban spire]

he was actually thinking of mongolians

[plush mason]

he was thinking the german army in ww1

[storm jungle]

I mean

Mongols kinda deserve that treatment

[plush mason]

true

[crisp heath]

Spicy evening in the lore chat

[storm jungle]

They are cool but also you know, a horde of pillagers lol

[urban spire]

i mean specifically there is a quote of him basing them on mongolians because he thought they looked the least attractive

[green loom]

My eye when lore chat discussion

[storm jungle]

Mongols @ Tolkien

[urban spire]

so much stuff about orcs just blows my hair backwards, to use a poorly translated norwegian expression

[storm jungle]

LMAO

Tbh Ogres are pretty cool

[green loom]

The Louis scream is perfect

[plush mason]

i mean. there is a reason 25% of the world's population is related to Gangues Khan. and not a good one

[outer wave]

What, but those boys are handsome????

[crisp heath]

Jolkien Rolkien Rolkien "My Son Remembers Atlantis" Tolkien

[queen laurel]

100%

[urban spire]

lmao, perfect

[storm jungle]

Ghost of Tsushima is great

[outer wave]

Look at their unkempt staches, their lovely locks, the sploches of red make up

Idk they lookin' good

[urban spire]

yeah it owns

[green loom]

People are beautiful
Unless they're me
I am the spawn of hell and look the part

[queen laurel]

I mean the red is probably unwashable but hey makeup is makeup no matter the ingredients

[plush mason]

ye a perfect "samuri to shinobi" story

[queen laurel]

And if it's probably blood

[outer wave]

👌 High standards of beauty right here

[green loom]

Remember that time someone painted themselves green with submarine paint

[plush mason]

i laughed my ass off at the TWWH3 event for them where their cooks invent ketchup

[urban spire]

im sure you're fine

[green loom]

I am in the low 3s according to classmates

[urban spire]

neither of those social classes existed in that time period but sure sure artistic license grumble grumble

[storm jungle]

Also unrelated, someone remind me

[green loom]

Probably lower

[storm jungle]

is the Moebian Domain made of 3 sectors?

[crisp heath]

I still think it's pretty funny that LeGuine didn't like the racial subtext in fantasy, so she made most humans brown skinned in Earthsea... except for the generically evil race, which was white

[arctic talon]

💀

[queen laurel]

My guy I am built like Grom the paunch

you're fine trust me

[urban spire]

at least the modern people of actual tsushima fucking loved it

[plush mason]

@storm jungle btw in rogue trader in act 1. when the heretics take over the reactor the electro-priest started DDOSing it to try and stop them lol

[storm jungle]

LMAO yeah

[urban spire]

being heavy doesn't make you ugly tbh

[green loom]

Are Rabs or Cacti awake
They'd probably know

[urban spire]

UNLESS YOU'RE ME

[plush mason]

same

[crisp heath]

I have unrealistic beauty standards. I expect people to have shaky, ephemeral forms of shadow and diluted light, with unknowable and uncountable hands dragging prey into swirling maws

[plush mason]

yes inquisitor this post right here

[urban spire]

https://tenor.com/view/lobster-writing-discord-talking-radlcies-gif-25361801

[green loom]

I'm blessed with amazing facial features
In that I'm 1cm between "cartoon hag" and "racist caricature"

[plush mason]

lol

[queen laurel]

i like chickens

[green loom]

Literally shrimple as

[urban spire]

i have a very handsome face, unfortunately my gender.

[plush mason]

i do too. when breaded and fried

[green loom]

Fried chicken is the shit

I love fried chicken

[plush mason]

they are mean little shits when alive

[green loom]

I wonder what fried people taste like

[plush mason]

like fried pork

[crisp heath]

I'm unfortunately extremely attractive, which sucks because it makes people feel like they have a right to speak to me

[urban spire]

my favourite chicken is the giant ones in final fantasy

[queen laurel]

that's a crawfish you FU-

[green loom]

Oh fried pork is awesome

[queen laurel]

What could possibly do you mean

[green loom]

They're pretty feisty

[crisp heath]

Man we really ruined the animal kingdom huh

[urban spire]

orb

[crisp heath]

God did not intend for birds to be spheres

[plush mason]

wtf. that is literally a ball

[wet sandal]

that chicken is built like a squig

[queen laurel]

glass frogs exist

[urban spire]

chickens are meant to do that

[queen laurel]

Yes they are translucent

[green loom]

Are chickens our squigs

[urban spire]

it's just feather floof

[crisp heath]

Forbidden gusher

[queen laurel]

not even gonna lie you are 100% right

[urban spire]

did you know, being a fox in a henhouse can actually be a deeply unpleasant experience for the fox

there is a level of critical chicken mass where they don't run from predators, they just kill them

[green loom]

Creepy

[outer wave]

Chickens are also known as aggressive lil shits

[crisp heath]

Question. Is there an optimal order to what planets I should go to first? I just did Eurac V and found out that if I hadn't gone there first things would have become critical and I wouldn't have been able to salvage materials for my ship. Are there other things like this is should watch out for?

[green loom]

Where's Eurac V

[crisp heath]

First system you go to where you find Cassia the navigator

[green loom]

Uhhh you want the prison planet still

[crisp heath]

The novis noblite station

[green loom]

On Footfall you'll want to handle the missions there right away

After that I think it's pretty whatever

[crisp heath]

Right, I get that I have those two. But what happens if I go to Rykad Majoris or the unidentified voidship? Will time move forward elsewhere and things get fucky wucky?

Because those are seprate from the two mission planets

[green loom]

Go to everything before the main imperial planet

Was it Rykad Majoris or Minoris

[crisp heath]

Minoris is the mission one

Majoris is just off to the side

[green loom]

Do Minoris last

[crisp heath]

Just wanted to be sure

[tough haven]

Should I pick grand strategist, assassin or bounty hunter if I'm focusing mostly on divination and pyromancy abilities?

[green loom]

Not grand strategist

[tough haven]

Also for a soldier that's mostly been focused on rapid fire and never stop shooting, should I go bounty hunter?

[crisp heath]

Lol... so. Cassia or Argenta. Who we like most boys?

[green loom]

Argenta

[green loom]

Argenta?

[tough haven]

Would assassin work?

[green loom]

Probably yeah

[tough haven]

Custom character

[green loom]

If not you can always Respec that

[green loom]

Go arch Militant

Nonstop free shooting

[tough haven]

Even if they just use their rifle?

[green loom]

Yeahv

[tough haven]

cause they dont dual weapon

[green loom]

One of your abilities give you free versatility

[tough haven]

guess I'll have two arch militants

[green loom]

And when you can shoot like 6 times a turn

I don't think you even need a different gun, just use single and burst fire

[tough haven]

I went bounty hunter since its based around crit chance, so then I can trigger the pyromancer ability that allows DOT's to crit more often

[arctic talon]

Honestly officer breaks the action economy so hard it’s funny

[tough haven]

I made Heinrix an arch militant hopefully based around boltpistol and force sword

[crisp heath]

Lol the game really wanted to push a Cassia love interest at me just now

[tough haven]

Yeah they really push it

All I want is to have a friendly, professional relationship with my navigator

[crisp heath]

Was already interested in Argenta prior, so I'm hoping to pursue that

[arctic talon]

She got the collectors edition statue

Lol

[tough haven]

I dont want to have the weird, potentially manipulative romantic relationship with cassia

[green loom]

Argenta has no romance path

[arctic talon]

^

Just an fyi

[tough haven]

Mods are gonna fix that ASAP I bet

[crisp heath]

@green loom this.... this makes me sad

[green loom]

Devs implied GW tampering

[crisp heath]

Makes sense I guess.

[arctic talon]

Not really

SoB aren’t celibate

[green loom]

She'd 100% swoon for dogma leaning iconoclast too

[arctic talon]

But any of the romances are a bit weird in this game bcs of the power imbalance

You’re a rogue trader after all lol

[green loom]

I'm kinda surprised there's no political marriage path

[crisp heath]

Can't be turning ourselves into the next Goge I guess

[green loom]

Like you marry into one of the Dargonus noble houses

[queen laurel]

i think out of all the ones you can fall in love with, cassia probably is the one that would come close to your nobility

[green loom]

Btw bulgur

[queen laurel]

yes?

[green loom]

How the hell did you get so much Drussuan rep

[arctic talon]

Cassia or Heinrix are the only ones of remotely similar status

[crisp heath]

I just don't know if the sororitas were made chaste after vandire, which would make sense for gw to then say yea no romance.

[arctic talon]

And they’re still under your command arguably

[queen laurel]

dedicate buildings to them and sell them shit

[arctic talon]

Nah they aren’t chaste

[crisp heath]

So I guess I should go back and romance cassia

[queen laurel]

there are buildings that increase reputations with factions

[green loom]

I've fully developed my colonies and am only at like 38k with them

[queen laurel]

Yeah that's why I suggest you sell everything you have when you have the supplies to a single faction because maxing out multiple is borderline impossible

[green loom]

I see

[tough haven]

Do drukari items (non equipment) serve a purpose beyond filling up cargo?

[forest orbit]

You can give them to Marazhai

unless you killed him which is fine, in that case get rid of em

[storm jungle]

^

[tough haven]

Is it worth to hang onto them then?

[forest orbit]

ENTIRELY up to you, @storm jungle is the Marazhai expert here

[storm jungle]

Yeah basically if you are gonna recruit Marazhai keep them, if not just remove em.

Marz is not a bad companion if you want a psychopath on your team but he's your typical dark eldar, I feel like judging from your playstyle its best to just kill him when you face him in Commorragh.

I only got Marazhai because I love his VA performance and presence.

[tough haven]

Yeah I have a soft spot for those characters, and while I'm not going full on dogmatic, I probably wont side with dark eldar

And I dont need a psychopath, because I am the psychopath on my team

My character is a half decent person by 40k standards, but definitely doesnt mind doing various unsavory things if it furthers his goals and/or humanity (which doesnt necessarily mean the imperium)

[tough haven]

I'll probably pick him up in a different campaign

[storm jungle]

Yeah Marazhai is fun and he sometimes undermines you but you can just tell him to shut the fuck up and obey you, he respects your power as long as you keep him in his place but he rarely does this.

I'd say MAYBE indeed save him for another playthrough to try to recruit him, he actually does enjoy travelling with you and making snide/funny psycho comments on the missions you take him on, he can be genuinely hilarious.

[queen laurel]

he is also probably the perfect one if you're a heretic

considering that well you know you're a heretic

[storm jungle]

I'd say unhinged more than heretic

[queen laurel]

Imagine being so evil that the literal creations of the evil mechanic follow you instead

[storm jungle]

💀

[storm jungle]

But also yeah get Ulfar instead

he's in a ||haemonculus cage when you go to see the weird doctor, im saying this NOW because he's VERY easy to miss due to the props hes huddled in||