40k-lore-chat

[dusk patrol]

No sky anymore.

Or orbital plates yeah

[storm jungle]

Terra is basically a hive-planet

[dusk patrol]

Some parts of the highest spires pierce the smog but not many.

[storm jungle]

its like grimdark coruscant

[dusk patrol]

But yeah Terra has like 5 quadrillion people.

[storm jungle]

Yeah its a literal hellhole.

[remote blaze]

So much corpse starch

[crisp heath]

Yummy

[dusk patrol]

Well not a literal hellhole since those exist in 40k, but it sucks.

[storm jungle]

Okay fair

[dusk patrol]

It does have a hellhole though.

[storm jungle]

Detroit is a better comparison

https://tenor.com/view/detroit-driveby-eminem-gif-24008106

[crisp heath]

Lol I mean... i was gonna say this dammit lolol

Beat me to it!!!

[remote blaze]

Detroit now is about where Terra is when Angron lands.

Everything is on fire and theres a lot of yelling, but we're somehow optimistic

[dusk patrol]

It has improved a lot tbf.

Not that there was much lower it could go but still.

[crisp heath]

Lol... I've done a lot of traveling, and I've been through Detroit. Yall are a different breed... Im from Oklahoma and the culture shock with yall was real lol

[remote blaze]

I haven't been there in years so I'm just memeing. It wasn't all that bad really, at least not the city proper.

[green loom]

So rogue trader just ends the game for you behind a skill check it seems

[crisp heath]

Not bad, just different

[dusk patrol]

I've visited a few different times for various reasons and there is a lot being done to fix it.

Its still not great but its improving.

[storm jungle]

LOL

Just like real life 💀

[dusk patrol]

Would you say that perhaps you have a

Skill issue?

[green loom]

Yes!

One of the overlays is bugged and shows numbers wrong

[remote blaze]

Oh, so it's the game's fault. Suuuuuure.

[dusk patrol]

RN I'm trying to download toybox so I can complete an Argenta quest which wouldn't complete itself for some reason.

Cause I'm at the part where it fails otherwise.

[normal light]

Where there any proper Urban Warfare in 40k lore?

[green loom]

Though if you don't have enough high skills in a few specific skills you do just auto die

[dusk patrol]

Plenty

[normal light]

not this stuff with storming Hives

[dusk patrol]

Well

[storm jungle]

Yes. There was even an entire codex dedicated to it called City Figh.t

[dusk patrol]

That's Urban mfer

[normal light]

I mean stuff like Battle for Grozny like stuff

[dusk patrol]

Mfer you can't list some random ass no name battle none of us care or have heard about

And then ask for "this but 40k"

[remote blaze]

You're looking for hive fighting, there's plenty of it

[normal light]

Cause this shit is pretty easy adopted for 40k

[normal light]

Look it up in google 🤨

[dusk patrol]

No

Be more specific.

You don't want urban warfare cause we have that.

[summer mural]

do warlord class titan duels just involve them standing and shooting at each other

[dusk patrol]

So list what you want.

[dusk patrol]

I mean if you wanna like

[remote blaze]

Gaunt's Ghosts features a lot of it, one of the Dawn of Fire books has a whole ass fight with Iron Warriors in a city

[dusk patrol]

Reduce it down as much as possible

[summer mural]

like , can a warlord juke

[normal light]

Okay, Urban Warfare but not in Hive Cities

[remote blaze]

No, but they can throw hands

[dusk patrol]

They can move, but its often positioning and support from other engines.

And knowing what shields to divert power to and all that.

Its not a single titan thing.

[remote blaze]

Most of your cities are going to be hives, the Dawn of Fire one is a city proper however.

[normal light]

Ok

[dusk patrol]

Some weapons break shields better, some are better at destroying unshielded titans, some can arc and ignore buildings in the way.

And so on

There's a lot to it, it varies.

Different Legios use very different tactics too.

[summer mural]

the imperial knights seem like they got better juking, then again they are nowhere near as big

[dusk patrol]

They're much faster yes.

Although Warhounds can also book it.

[summer mural]

all the mech lore makes dreadnoughts just seem so dated smh

[dusk patrol]

They're effective in their spheres.

Plus, bigger target isn't always a good thing.

[remote blaze]

I believe the book youre lookong for is Avenging Son, first book of the series. Ends up being Imperial Fist primaris vs Iron Warriors

Whole sequence of astartes vs Obliterators in a mall, its fun

[normal light]

Thanks for info, but still I don`t think I will get my hands on one

[remote blaze]

Thanks to you I realize there is a Dawn of Fire book I had missed, yay.

[green loom]

I absolutely love that Iconoclast can ||understand the harlequin, and how giddy said harlequin gets at this lol||

[coarse pumice]

when you go into your 2nd archetype, can you still take talents from the first?

[crystal forum]

another bugged achievement

totally not suspicious

this is the first game i've played where getting difficult achievements is easier than expected

usually it's the opposite

[wintry scarab]

What meaning do these curios have in 40k?

[crystal forum]

i fucking love tech priests

the mechanicus as a whole can create so many funny and serious stories

[green loom]

lmao

I love all the dialogue in this game

[twilit hatch]

Not exactly a typical lore question, but could anyone point me towards W40k community where I could look for DMs that would host a roleplaying session in Deathwatch/Dark Heresy/Rogue Trader system (or some homebrew stuff similar to that)?

[arctic talon]

Just some random thingy

Most likely the skulls of honored serfs or marines

[crisp heath]

Basically the same thing as our relics in game. It's an actual practice in today's world too. Basically, those skulls likely belonged to people that were particularly holy or important to the Imperium, and so religious importance is placed on them. Think the finger bone of a priest, or the Spear of Longinius, the one that stabbed Jesus. These are real world relics.

[velvet imp]

by the Emperor this is far too good to pass up for Iconoclast path characters

[dusk patrol]

It’s really sick

You don’t even have to be fully Iconoclast

[green loom]

I'm NGL

I don't think I've ever enjoyed a game this much

It hits basically all my niches

And nicely too

[dusk patrol]

Drukhari are always the right choice as villains tbh

Just like, no qualms at all about anything you do to them or whatever

[crisp heath]

@green loom what game?

Rogue trader?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[green loom]

Ye

[arctic talon]

One of the few factions in the setting I’ll never have any sympathy or second thought killing them at all lol

[dusk patrol]

Yeah like most dudes I’d feel kinda bad about say, letting a daemon consume and torment them for eternity

But Drukhari

[arctic talon]

They’ve done horrific things to tons of people

Especially the ones you’re killing in game lol

0 sympathy turning them into a pile of meat

[green loom]

I got this one to help me but I fully intend to gun his ass down once things are over

I don't think he expects otherwise either

[arctic talon]

Also odds are good any important one you kill gets revived anyways 💀

[green loom]

I'll burn his world down with his help before leaving him in bits on the floor

[arctic talon]

Nids, druhkari, orks I pretty much have 0 thoughts against killing lol

Chaos also

[dusk patrol]

In a Deathwatch RPG we’re playing my dudes an Iron Hands tech marine who, for backstory reasons and just in general, fucking hated Drukhari above all else, and I always make it a point of capturing alive any leaders we can, and just hanging them up in some room on the ship back to the Watch Fortress and silently watch as they wither away.

[arctic talon]

LOL

That’s a good solution

[dusk patrol]

Ironically there’s a comment in a Deathwatch book about how Drukhari are one of the easiest xenos to interrogate

Because all you have to do is that

And allll of them, will give up everything

[arctic talon]

They don’t want to be in the recieving end

Of eternal torment what a suprise

[dusk patrol]

The real trick is just taking one of value alive in the first place but yeah

[velvet imp]

ya they suck and why I am going to kill the drukhari companion for my personal playthrough since I am basing my current playthrough by how I will act if I was in my character's position and living in 40K Universe.

[dusk patrol]

Yeah I don’t see myself leaving him alive

[velvet imp]

probably only keep him alive in my Heretical playthrough since Heresy and etc once I am done with my personal playthrough

[dusk patrol]

Yrliet is doing her best to get on my shitlist rn too

[velvet imp]

though probably going to end up killing Argenta and Heinrix in my Heretical Playthrough

[velvet imp]

she is fine once you understand her

[dusk patrol]

I mean I get her

[velvet imp]

she is under the "No Desire" policy

[dusk patrol]

She’s still a dumbass

[velvet imp]

and she has the basic mind set of her people when it comes to other civilizations

it usually takes a lot for a Eldar to understand a Human

[dusk patrol]

What chapter are you on?

[velvet imp]

still working my way through chapter 2 and just finish Junas

I've been exploring a lot

so I am behind and my personal life reduce a lot of time to play

then the other games I am playing

[dusk patrol]

There’s other stuff which happens later which colors my opinion more but

I won’t go into that

[velvet imp]

which involve complete daily quests and weekly quests for those games

That aside....

I wonder if the Blood Ravens may make a cameo again in Space Marines 2

[green loom]

||I'm probably not killing her but I feel she's pretty badly overstayed her welcome||

[green loom]

They only appeared because Relic and they were big at the time

If we're likely to see any marines not from the main groups it's probably something like one of the white dwarf/GW employee groups or maybe, maybe the Retributors in some lucky world

[velvet imp]

well considering we are about to fight ||Thousand Suns Chaos Marines|| in Space Marines 2, there maybe some "relics" to collect for them

[spare osprey]

Believe he meant Relic Entertainment, as in the developers of dawn of war and space marine 1

[velvet imp]

oh the company, not the habit of looting relics

ya then it is mostly up to situation

though considering what happened with DoW3, it is probably the end for the Blood Ravens in 40K series

shame, I would have liked to learn what became of Tarkus, Cyrus, and maybe see how Thaddeus and the Commander are dealing with their Crusade

[crystal forum]

so

i realized a massive mistake

all this time when i was levelling up my characters i never scrolled past the talents that let you put points in stuff that's not available to the archetype

[crisp heath]

Uh oh

[crystal forum]

i thought the list ended there

so i never saw all the unique OP class and character abilities

[crisp heath]

Lol oh nos!!!

[crystal forum]

that's why i thought argenta was bad

honestly im surprised i managed to finish chapter 1 at all

[dusk patrol]

Yeah that’ll do it

[crisp heath]

Lol I need to try rogue trader apparently lolol

Are any of the editions worth it?

Looking at voidfarer right now

[crystal forum]

nah they're all just vanity stuff

also way too expensive

[crisp heath]

Ehh... money's no object. Just needs to be worth the price tag I see on them

[crystal forum]

yeah that's what i meant

not worth the money

although you do get 2 items if you get the game before january

it's a DLC for some reason but it's free

[arctic talon]

Imo no

Just buy the base game

[winged jacinth]

Im still trying to find a portrait im happy with

I keep tapping in here and seeing full on spoilers but forget to stop coming in here

[crystal forum]

im currently 3 hours into respec all my characters

this game is too complicated for my feeble brain

[winged jacinth]

im looking forward to the respec process being easier than other owlcat games

towards the end of wrath of the righteous i was spending entire game sessions doing builds lol

i got Seelah the paladin up to 86 armor class

[crystal forum]

my tip is dont listen to the recommended talents

they just recommend according to the archetype, not the unique character's

[queen laurel]

Yeah you really need to read it

[crisp heath]

Lol download is complete, loading up RT for the first time @arctic talon @crystal forum

[queen laurel]

Just remember that this game is quite a handful to handle for a beginner

[crystal forum]

be ready to serve the imperium my friend

[queen laurel]

Just try to understand what the abilities say

[crystal forum]

or become a heretic, whatever suits your fancy

[queen laurel]

The best you can because trust me you will need it

[crystal forum]

this game lulls you into a false sense of security until you hit major roadblocks

[velvet imp]

Iconoclast is so fun when you can make people feel stupid for believing in Heresy

[queen laurel]

the navigator points in particular spend them wisely

[crystal forum]

imagine me

[velvet imp]

ya but if you plan what builds you want in advance then it will be simple

[crystal forum]

not seeing the talents that make the navigator good

[velvet imp]

got to focus on a character to cover each specific dialogue and skill checks as well

[crystal forum]

and making her into a fucking officer

[crisp heath]

Oh lord lol

What am I getting myself into

[queen laurel]

I'm talking about the navigator map

[crystal forum]

oh

[velvet imp]

the beginning of a D&D experience

[queen laurel]

The points that you spend to make new paths or make existing paths easier

[velvet imp]

40K style

[crystal forum]

well navigator is good because she's basically a psyker that doesnt increase veil

[queen laurel]

Always build her as a grand strategist

her abilities hit hard enough and she can support the team from far away

[crisp heath]

Something I also have little experience in lol. Love dnds lore, but never had a chance to play

[crystal forum]

yeah im doing that

sucks that she's an officer

[queen laurel]

ohh yeah jay also found a way to just stack a party together into one singular blob

[crystal forum]

i found that too

[queen laurel]

doesn't look pretty but navigation is a lot easier

[crystal forum]

wait what

[queen laurel]

It's a godsend let me tell you

[crystal forum]

out of battle?

[queen laurel]

yeah

[crystal forum]

how

[queen laurel]

you navigate out of battle which means using this you can dodge an entire trap

Without having to micromanage your party

[crystal forum]

TELL ME

[queen laurel]

Hit escape and go to formations and then edit one of the formations into this

Stack them in a single piece

[velvet imp]

Cassia is a must have through all playthrough since she is the only psyker character who does not increase warp anomaly and with a passive she will auto decrease it everytime she use a psyker skill

[crystal forum]

oh i didnt even try, i just made a very tight formation

[velvet imp]

she is also a very all round build character so you can make her into a buffer, debuffer, and attacker psyker (both range and melee)

[crystal forum]

if only her voice lines werent so annoying

[velvet imp]

personally made her to be my attacker psyker since her range attack psyker abilites are great and never miss

[queen laurel]

assassin heinrix is one of the smartest ideas i had

[velvet imp]

that is normal in my opinion

assassin helps him greatly for both attacker and healer role

so he does not get attacked a lot

[crisp heath]

Lol yall got me paranoid starting this game now

[queen laurel]

the one i'm stumped with Idira

[velvet imp]

he can also be made into a beastly tank due to his psyker passive that increase armor every turn by 5% which makes him very tanky in endgame

[queen laurel]

I don't know what second archetype she fits well given the three choices

[velvet imp]

ya she is a bit hard to build since she won't get her exclusive gear until around chapter 2 when you do her companion quest events

those unsanctioned psyker gear only she can use makes her very powerful mind that you keep track of the warp anomaly bar

[crystal forum]

wait

WAIT

WHAT THE FUCK

RESETTING PROGRESS REDUCES TRADE FACTOR

[velvet imp]

only after a certain point

[crystal forum]

fucking why

[velvet imp]

I think you get the first 4 or 3 rests for free

I don't know

I feel it is just to keep players from reseting their builds too often in a single playthrough

which is one reason why I said it is a must to start building to a build in advance and stick with it

[crystal forum]

i dont understand the logic in that

[velvet imp]

also most builds take time to reach anyways

my Argenta is being built to be a Heavy Flamer build but that will take a while due to heavy flamer is a obtained by reaching a high rank in the church faction

but I already started working on getting the Heavy weapon passives so she is ready for it once I reach that point

[crystal forum]

this is the dumbest mechanic i've ever seen in an RPG

[crisp heath]

Lol I should preface with I am an absolute beginner, and have rarely if ever played a game like this. I believe Diablo 3 was the only top down I'd played before. Sooooo.... lol being real I'm already somewhat lost on just the difficulty screen 🤣 🤣 🤣

[velvet imp]

welcome to RPG games

[crisp heath]

This is gonna be an experience I can already tell

[velvet imp]

more brain than button smashing reflex

[crisp heath]

Hey, I'm no button masher lolol. More just always stuck to fps and first person/third person rpgs

[crystal forum]

so i guess for the rest of this playthrough im permanently handicapped in trade value

you barely get any from story too

[storm jungle]

Well it's done.

Probably the best 40k RPG game ive played, now back to Darktide.

[crystal forum]

how do you fellas progress in the game so fast

im spending hours on just a single battle

also should i make pasqal a bounty hunter or an assassin

[storm jungle]

I was just here for the plot.

And not playing on the hardest difficulty

[queen laurel]

this is a fun ability this is

I can literally just stand still and tank a plasma shot for the friends

[crystal forum]

that's like the thing in xcom 2 that lets your robot become cover

i need to play xcom 2 again

at least that game doesnt make me save scum to kill 1 enemy

[velvet imp]

most of it will be from your planet management and side quest actions

Ioconoclast playthrough gets the most profit factor for the obvious reason being they focus more on being Good or Neutral aligned characters that makes more dealings

[queen laurel]

bro even the easiest difficulty is not the easiest

[velvet imp]

less killing and fighting, more diplomatic profit actions

[crisp heath]

@storm jungle lol I'm on normal trying to make my character atm lolol

Are homeworlds important lolol

[velvet imp]

ya this game will screw you if you're not careful

it is like XCOM

[queen laurel]

yeah it is brutal

[velvet imp]

but less risk of failing that 1% fail chance

[crisp heath]

Yall really making me like... afraid to play this game..

I promise I'm intimidated enough...

[velvet imp]

well upside is you'll probably be playing this game longer than most games you normally play

[queen laurel]

My guy you pick normal

[velvet imp]

I'm over 40 hours in and have not even past 1/4 of the chapter 2 which there are 5 chapters

[crisp heath]

Lol and yall are saying easy mode ain't even easy

Normal is like two past that

[storm jungle]

When in doubt, reload save

also exploit/spam Officers

AND

[queen laurel]

Yeah the game

[storm jungle]

BUFF ABELARD

[queen laurel]

literally tells you to save scum

[crisp heath]

🤣 I will remember this

[storm jungle]

Abelard literally becomes a Primarch level teammate if you upgrade him properly

[velvet imp]

it is not since if you cannot wing it with builds. You still got to plan a head

[storm jungle]

literal beast

[velvet imp]

ya he is the best tank next to player character

[queen laurel]

yes it's always fun when enemies think they are far away enough from him only for him to pull out a melted gun and melt them

[sacred ginkgo]

Abelard is a god who I have just handed a thunder hammer in one slot and greatsword in the other

[crisp heath]

Also, nobody answered. How important is your homeworld?

[storm jungle]

Uhh i dont think a lot...?

[queen laurel]

It's the bonuses that will be important to you for example death world characters are usually very tough

just read what they offer then

[velvet imp]

ya th bonus will benefit you a lot in build for your character

[crisp heath]

Fair... lol I didn't know if it amounted only to that or if it impacted the story any

[queen laurel]

pick the world that suits what you will be playing

i pick a death world because of the weapon bonuses and the toughness it provides

[crisp heath]

Being honest, idk what I'll be playing. Again, this is my first go at anything like this. I'm a virgin up in this bish

[crystal forum]

nice little fucked up detail i noticed

just a random NPC you cant even interact with

[velvet imp]

Forge world, for example, allow you to pick 1 of 3 passives being Crit increase by INT stats, more Armor based on Toughness (thus adding armor increase with your Toughness stats), and more movement and dodge chance by AGI stats (thus now AGI increase dodge far more and now increase movement slots more as well)

[crystal forum]

his dad is a servitor now

[velvet imp]

Fortress World passive will allow you to attack again for free once the passive kicks in

[crisp heath]

I think my goal is psycher... just because I like space wizards. Sue me lol. So maybe voidborn?

[velvet imp]

oh boy then you have a lot to consider

from melee, range, buffer, healer, and etc

[crisp heath]

Dammit don't say that lolol

Shit...

[queen laurel]

my vanguard would wrestle a titan to the floor and survive its weaponry

[crystal forum]

most balanced custom DnD character

[arctic talon]

All dnd characters are custom 💀

[arctic talon]

Got more strength then a csm lol

[crystal forum]

no i mean the people who say it's part of ther headcannon for them to be secretly a god

it's all lore you see

[arctic talon]

Oh

💀

[crystal forum]

(i've never played DnD but i've watched a lot of funny videos about it)

[arctic talon]

Sounds like a cringe character

Lol

Or person rather

If they do this

[versed ledge]

Something very important is missing in the captain's quarters in rogue trader

Where's the damn toilet?

There's a indoor pool/bath, but where's the toilet

[arctic talon]

It’s the bath/s

[versed ledge]

I guess theodora had some Nurgle inclinations then

[crystal forum]

you dont need a toilet when you have power armour

[versed ledge]

Wat

[crystal forum]

also the 40k aesthetic is all about a world where creature comfort isn't a thing

[crisp heath]

Ok... question. When I'm in the character creation screen, I'm on sanctioned psycher. On its features, it says psy rating of one, and that while my character will be a psycher, they will be a weak af one. Is that something that will change? My understanding was that psycher abilities didn't increase with time like that. Like, you were either powerful or you weren't, could control it or couldn't. But like, my understanding was it didn't accumulate as time went on. So am I just gonna be a sparky boy shooting Roman candles out my wand in celebration, or what?

[versed ledge]

You got a clearly comfortable indoor pool sized bath, but no toilets?

[crystal forum]

you can increase the psy rating every 10 levels

[versed ledge]

Even dark tide had greater attention to detail by adding a toilet

[crystal forum]

i learned this an hour ago

[queen laurel]

yeah they are on the bottom of the things for the skills and passives you can pick

so they are very easy to miss i'm talking very bottom of the list

[crisp heath]

Ahh I just didn't scroll enough

[queen laurel]

You really need to Scroll down to see them

[crystal forum]

that's the mistake i made too

[queen laurel]

same here

[crystal forum]

for some reason they put the actually good talents at the bottom

[queen laurel]

You're not the only one

[arctic talon]

Ngl

The UI sucks

[queen laurel]

yeah very few of the good talents are above

really need to scroll down to see

[crisp heath]

Ok that makes me feel a bit better. Still, that doesn't seem very lore accurate lol

[crystal forum]

yeah i've never heard of a psyker increasing their rating in lore

[arctic talon]

Sorcery

[crystal forum]

like if they're a certain level they're pretty much capped at that unless warp stuff happens

[arctic talon]

But yeah it doesn’t make much sense

But it’s an rpg so

Abstraction

Aka why Abelard is level 1

[crisp heath]

Lol just making sure I wasn't tripping

[crystal forum]

if a chaos god favours you then 100% you can become a more powerful psyker

especially tzeench

[arctic talon]

But realistically speaking Abelard and Idira should be

[crisp heath]

Right, but that's not your own abilities increasing

[arctic talon]

Much higher leveled lol

[crisp heath]

That's you getting buffed with their power

[arctic talon]

But that would be stupid

[crystal forum]

yeah

you're right

[storm jungle]

Yeah also be prepared to read a lot

the game doesn't do a great job of explaining some of this

[queen laurel]

bro i be speaking Binharic with the amount of **** you read

that is a lot of dialogue

[storm jungle]

[crisp heath]

Lol I don't mind the reading so much, it's the comprehension. I'm slowly figuring out some things though just taking my time and reading them here in the character screen. I'm sure it'll make more sense when I actually get in gameplay.

Debating on what kinda psycher I want to be

[queen laurel]

If I were you read what they do

the one i'm most familiar with is biomancy

It increases your physical stats allowing you to dumpster everything that breaths

[crystal forum]

one thing i can commend this game for is that you have infinite inventory space

too many RPG's put a weight limit for no reason

[crisp heath]

I just pick abilities based on vibes and I'm doing fine

[crystal forum]

also you should always spend the time to meticulously explore levels

the game has some puzzle elements and they're pretty rewarding

[crisp heath]

Lol trying. Pyro seems to be the most combat centric (obviously). Diviner seems niche support, and basically buffs dodge and mitigation. Biomancer seems to be another support, but for health and toughness. Sanctic looks interesting. Somewhere between support and dps. And then telepath... I can already tell I hate it... it pulls enemies to it, it has an attack that flagrantly says it will hurt my team and the enemies, and everything is a damn willpower check lol. So that one is just out.

Pretty much debating between Pyro and Sanctic.

[crystal forum]

dont worry about telepath you get a character in the prologue that has that

[crisp heath]

Thank God cause that shit looked garbage

Think imma go with Sanctic. It looks the most interesting of the two

[arctic talon]

Telepath is pretty good imo

I don’t think any of the disciplines are bad tbh

[crystal forum]

keep in mind that psykers are limited by veil degradation so making one entirely reliant on warp abilities is going to get you in a lot of trouble

[arctic talon]

^

Do not summon a giant blue chicken

[crystal forum]

battle psykers are pretty good

you can get force weapons

[crisp heath]

I'm speaking from a definitively uneducated viewpoint, so it very well might be dope. And I saw that... that's why I wasn't really down for Pyro. Figured being full offensive would trigger that, compared to how Sanctic seemed to be able to play around more with their abilities

[crystal forum]

i mean

if you get a powerful enough party im pretty sure you can ignore veil degradation

[crisp heath]

pyro is actually the one I see people complaining about the most lmao

[queen laurel]

hey Tea do you have toy box?

for rogue trader

[crisp heath]

No, I couldn't get mods running at all

[crisp heath]

Why?

[queen laurel]

this is one of the options you can have on the mod

[crystal forum]

BASED

[crisp heath]

I know, I only bought the game for that mod

I almost refunded it

[queen laurel]

Did you try installing it through the Nexus way?

The one in the steam workshop has some problems

[crisp heath]

extremely underpowered, only works well with combos that are hard to pull off

[crystal forum]

the fucked up thing is it probably only required like a couple lines of code to be changed

[crisp heath]

Can't wait till I have a PC lol... mods make me as a console gamer get heated.

yeah I got the mod manager and all that

[arctic talon]

Officers also completely break the game lol

Because action economy

[crystal forum]

yeah i dont regret making my character a sniper wielding officer

[crisp heath]

How is the obviously combat centric psycher underpowered? He'll I'd be mad too. Glad I didn't pick it

I'm a sniper operative, it's so nice

[crystal forum]

snipers are broken yeah

[crisp heath]

That'd probably be my next go to since there's no big boys

My and my girl Yrliet on the backline deleting an enemy every turn

[arctic talon]

Snipers in general

[crystal forum]

in a game where hit chance is half the battle, snipers get you almost always garanteed ones

[arctic talon]

Strong as hell tbh

[crystal forum]

plus extra hit chance above 95% increase crit chance it's so crazy

[crisp heath]

I'm trying to level up Yrliet soon so I can give her drukhari equipment

"We have dark eldar at home"

[crystal forum]

shush we have a new guy dont spoil

the game has no xenos at all

[crisp heath]

My guy she's on the box art

[crystal forum]

i didnt buy a physical copy

[arctic talon]

The loading screen spoils her existence lol

She shows up in the art

[crystal forum]

what if guardsman is blind

[crisp heath]

Lolol

I don't think....

I like the way snipers feel in this game. every time one of them shoots I feel a pain in my liver as if a lasbolt has demolished my body.

You know what, yea. I'm blind lol

[dusk patrol]

Especially with arch militant

[crisp heath]

https://tenor.com/view/fred-sanford-redd-foxx-harlem-nights-blind-mother-fucker-gif-14997771

[crystal forum]

yeah enemy snipers are so ridiculously painful

[dusk patrol]

Three officers with the Space Wolf

Can easily clear super hard encounters in a turn or two

[arctic talon]

Three officers + Abelard + psyker

[crisp heath]

have a countersniper and they're literally harmless

[crystal forum]

one time you get ambushed by 2 snipers in chapter 1 and they can literally insta kill 2 characters before you even have a turn

[crisp heath]

I went 2 warriors/two mid range dps (Argenta and Cassia)/2 sniper operatives

Lol but nah, I figured there were xenos from all the lore(xenos) bonuses and stuff. Honestly didn't notice the drukari in the beginning art lol

[crystal forum]

i keep 6 snipers in my inventory in case i get sniper ambushed again

the great thing about snipers is even trashy ballistic skills get compensated by dead eye

[crisp heath]

Yrliet is Craftworld but there's literally a drukhari ship you can find immediately

[crystal forum]

you say immediately as if it didnt take me 20 hours to finish chapter 1

[arctic talon]

“Immediately”

[crystal forum]

wait no, 30 hours

[arctic talon]

Is that better

[crisp heath]

I mean finding it is the first thing you can do in Chapter 1

like, you can immediately locate it upon finishing the prologue

[crystal forum]

no you need the rumor first

the planet is empty without it

[crisp heath]

Oof... what's worse? -5 logic or -5 Awareness?

I didn't have a rumor

[crystal forum]

huh

i didnt find it

[crisp heath]

I didn't know there was a rumor associated with it

It's also not a planet, it's marked "unknown ship"

[crystal forum]

what?

[crisp heath]

Don't need to scan it or anything

[crystal forum]

that's the pirates

the traders

wait is it different for everybody?

[crisp heath]

I think the pirates are the ones you need to scan before you find out what they are

[crystal forum]

yeah

there was only 1 unknown ship for me and pirates are the ones

[arctic talon]

Logic imo

Awareness is fine to have lower

Bcs your party members can have it

Logic is very valuable for some archetypes

[crystal forum]

literally all the story skills are useless because in chapter 1 you get a character that can exceed you for all of them

though tech use is important before you find pasqal

[crystal forum]

wait do you have DLC's

[crisp heath]

No

[crystal forum]

then wtf

[crisp heath]

Look damnit! Yall the ones that said every choice mattered and I had to be hella careful! Yall the ones that made my ass paranoid, so yall the ones getting my questions! Lol dont tell me all that then say this is all useless lol

Cause now I'm lost

Also, I can't figure out which character is rolling at any given time

[crystal forum]

awareness and all those other skills are just for story purposes

not for combat

unless you count not being blown up by a mine "combat"

[crisp heath]

It'll be important once your rogue trader is on their own, which will happen occasionally

[crystal forum]

in that case uh

just save scum

if you really care

[crisp heath]

The game throws a few "gotchas" by trying to catch you skilldumping

[crystal forum]

i really didnt want to save scum at first but the game kinda forces you into it on harder difficulties

@crisp heath btw always bring argenta and pasqal with you everywhere

you will understand why

(they're the funniest characters)

[crisp heath]

Pasqal was my weak link so I relieved him of his duties

[crystal forum]

i love the mechanicus too much to do that

[arctic talon]

Pasqal is really strong

But you need to build him specifically

[crystal forum]

after finally learning how to scroll down i've realized how making him intelligent AF makes him a powerhouse

especially with plasma

[crisp heath]

Preference to voidship? Sword class, Falchion class, or Firestorm Class?

Kinda like the look of the Firestorm, but it's not really explaining if there's a game mechanic deference between the three

[queen laurel]

Mostly the starting weapons you will only give a **** about

[crisp heath]

DLC haver

[queen laurel]

Considering that you can outfit your ships with different weapons and different components so it doesn't really matter

[sacred ginkgo]

Arch Militant is infact going brrrr

[crisp heath]

🤣 did I out myself with that? Yea I said fuck it and bought the voidfarer edition lolol

[queen laurel]

Yeah the other ships are DLC exclusive you will only have the sword class if you stick with the base game

[crisp heath]

Lol oop

Well, either way lolol, guess that answers that

I give you: Acheron von Valancius, Stalwart Captian of the Sorrow's Wake, a Firestorm- Class Frigate, and bearer of the sacred Imperial Warrant of Trade bound for voyage into the Koronus Expanse. I bid adieu to those I love, and pray to the God Emperor for safe return.

Figured yall should see the character you helped create

I changed his name after the screenshot lol

[crisp heath]

I knew this Cuntrad fellow was gonna be a piece of shit

[crystal forum]

good luck

[crisp heath]

Mofo just backstabbed me!!

@crystal forum lol thank you!!!

[queen laurel]

same reaction

He sounds like he's the type of guy I would kick in the nuts when I meet him for the first time

[crisp heath]

🤣 right!?

Oh hell no. Then I load in, and I'm getting kicked awake? Yall gonna kick a man when he's down. That's foul....

[arctic talon]

Cultist moment

[celest dome]

#Not all cultists

[green loom]

How do you have +88 weapon skill

[green loom]

FYI, when choosing abilities, your origin/unique ones are way down at the bottom, so keep that in mind for the companions especially

It's probably most important for Pasqal(when you figure out who that is)

[crisp heath]

Will try to keep that in mind lol. I got to the point where I got the Sister, and decided to stop for tonight to catch some Zzz's lol. I'm beginning to realize how absolutely big of a bite I've taken, considering this game lol... still feel mostly lost, and I wasted 2 medkits just trying to figure out how they worked, and I couldn't figure out how to pull up the menu for like... 30 mins lol. Turns out it's right trigger of all things.... lol the controls are a hell of a learning curve and honestly where I'm having the most trouble atm

Most of the ability stuff, skills and other game mechanics I actually understand pretty well I think, for the most part

It's just the actual battle controls and other minor stuff that's weird

@green loom

[green loom]

Oh yeah it'll take some getting used to

[sacred ginkgo]

Bit late but I had + 150 or something ballistic skill

And the answer is versatility stacks

[green loom]

I should've addead a "to"

Oh so it's a combat thing

Aight

[sacred ginkgo]

Arch militant is silly baseline

[green loom]

Yeap

Argenta is my powerhouse

[sacred ginkgo]

I accidentally found blessed bolt casing

[green loom]

Up to 4 attacks per turn just on her own + officer abilities

[sacred ginkgo]

I found Cassia’s damage skill

And uh

Master tactician stacks make it stupid

[green loom]

I don't use Cassia

I probably should

[sacred ginkgo]

And her Infinitely stacking willpower

Because I have two officers

[wintry scarab]

Hey, to anyone familiar with owlcat games, do you have any idea on what the DLC for rogue trader might be?

[celest dome]

Previous game's dlc https://store.steampowered.com/dlc/1184370/Pathfinder_Wrath_of_the_Righteous__Enhanced_Edition/

[crisp heath]

Oh man...

So about convictions?

Thoughts?

Good, bad, which do yall prefer

[queen laurel]

it's fun to help people

The dumbfounded faces when I become a good man is always funny

[crisp heath]

But there's dogmatic, iconoclast, and heretical. The chaos gremlin in me really wants to see what's up with this power she talking about. But also like... idk. Is that worth it lolol?

Also, it'd be really funny to be a Pyro psycher and walk through the flames

[queen laurel]

On the scale of Logan Paul or your local neighbor how much of a bastard do you want to be?

[crisp heath]

Lol that's my question lolol

Because like... it's 40k. That bastard well can run deep lolol

[green loom]

You can genuinely do anything tbh

I'm doing iconoclast/dogmatic leaning iconoclast

Next run is full heretical though

[crisp heath]

Gotcha

Was worried it'd affect my gamelan in some screwy way if I chose one instead of the others

[queen laurel]

the choices you do can be affected with your convictions

[crisp heath]

chaos tends to go the most off the rails and has a special ending

some of your companions will leave you if you go heretical

[queen laurel]

For example if you're an iconoclast you can't do this heretical action

[crisp heath]

also some weapons and armor need certain convictions

[queen laurel]

oh yeah

[crisp heath]

dogmatic/iconoclast characters can't loot chaos tainted weapons for example

Well.. I chose heretical for this. I'm just gonna go with my gut, and see where the character takes me lol. Screw it. I'm gonna stop thinking so darn hard and just let my guy build. My next play through I'll worry about the min maxing lol and shizz

[green loom]

I'd give it a maybe

[crisp heath]

Yeah right now I'm running a dogmatic and learning the ropes, my next playthrough will be iconoclast and I'll do everything "right", and then I'll run chaos and just be... horrible

I'm pretty sure the ship battle map is infinite

[green loom]

Mfw 4 heavy cruisers

[queen laurel]

single heavy cruiser alone is already a hard work

[green loom]

Not if you get torpedoes out in time

Triple torps go brrrr

[summer mural]

well, I just finished dow3

played 2 ages ago

Is it known what the founding chapter for the blood ravens is

[arctic talon]

It’s unknown

Lore wise the officers of the chapter have a very good idea of who it is

But refuse to make said knowledge public

[summer mural]

any well aimed guesses?

[rocky gale]

Theories range from Thousand Sons to Word Bearers

[green loom]

Wow the chapter 3 end fight fucking blows

[queen laurel]

yeah **** the cabal leader yeah

She is so ******* strong

[green loom]

I'm very glad evrry single incubi gets to double turn

[urban spire]

incubus

incubi is the plural

shut up i'm normal

[summer mural]

Why does the alpha legion exist

What was gw's plan

[storm jungle]

Turquoise colored spec op marines are cool.

Next question.

[arctic talon]

They’re cool

[rocky gale]

The Alpha Legion doesn't exist, I've no idea what you're talking about.

[tulip brook]

chaos needs tacticool marines too

it's not fair only imperium can get to ignore raven guard

[celest dome]

To sell SM miniatures

[crisp heath]

I have learned about the eldar’s clowns now and I gotta say

The imperiums literal golden glowing perfect guardians being clowned on by the eldars silliest soldiers is really funny

[celest dome]

Harlequin aren't chumps that's for sure

[crisp heath]

Hilarious

[celest dome]

There is one that just kidnap people and then they'll reappear fighting for it when he need them

[summer mural]

whats in the black library anyway

[celest dome]

A lot of information about the Warp

And for example the name of the Emperor

[summer mural]

how does the black library have all that? is it just magical books

[crisp heath]

Has trayzn ever made it into the library?

[spare osprey]

Clown god likes writing I assume

[spare osprey]

Nope

[crisp heath]

I feel like he would not get a library card

[celest dome]

Eldar are a warp sensitive race, who have been collecting information for a very long time

[summer mural]

the black library is a pretty cool concept

and its a nice red herring to chase

[tulip brook]

they say it's in webway but it's in nottingham

ehuehue

[summer mural]

is dante older than bjorn?

[celest dome]

Seeing as Eldar and Necron are enemies, no

[crisp heath]

I didn’t mean them letting him in

Him breaking in

[celest dome]

Ye, that wouldn't happen

[tulip brook]

he has access to webway and the guy is the biggest collector and the library has the biggest collection on warp material

but he's not that interested in chaos stuff, probably too much of a hassle trying to break in

ahriman getting there would be way better story

[celest dome]

I mean, getting access to the Library would be like stealing the Emperor

Like it would be way to big of a thing

[summer mural]

the emperor probably got stolen anyway, the corpse on the throne id wager is alpharion in disguise

[burnt maple]

No.

[tulip brook]

emps will start talking in cawl's body: "who do you think invented all those new gadgets and marines"

40k switcheroo machine is immortal

[storm jungle]

Yes.

[burnt maple]

Nay.

[summer mural]

was vulkan the better smith or ferrus

[storm jungle]

Yes.

next question

[tulip brook]

was vulkan better mini painter than perturabo

[summer mural]

probably

vulkan seems like he appreciated good aesthetics

pertu seems like he was better at lego

[rocky gale]

Pert's minis would all be fully articulated and mobile, he'd just tell them where to go on the board and they'd obey down to very nanometre, they would be the only things he loved.

[spare osprey]

The primarchs hobbies are all really neat honestly

I think lion was a renowned singer on caliban

[summer mural]

jesus

that sounds terrifying

[dusk patrol]

For the Vulkan, Ferrus, Perturabo question, which comes up way too much even though I think everyone should know the answer, they made different things

Ferrus made more practical stuff typically which was meant to be put into production

He was more an engineer

Vulkan and Perturabo made works of art typically for the sake of it, Perturabo liked architecture a lot more. Vulkan was more into making beautiful gear.

But there’s a lot of crossover obviously and we have examples of them all making insane stuff from all these areas

[spare osprey]

Found the quote

‘He can imitate the sound of any animal on Caliban, from the hunting cry of a raptor to the mating call of a serynx. He also has a wonderful singing voice. He knows all the old songs, the folk melodies of Caliban. If you heard him sing Forests of My Fathers it would bring tears to your eyes, I promise you. As far as I know he has never tried to create original musical works of his own, but you can be sure if he did the results would be inspiring. My brother excels at whatever he turns his hands to, that is his tragedy.’

[summer mural]

someone should inform the dark angels, they could use some singing

[spare osprey]

Forests of My Fathers is likely a play on the welsh national anthem

Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau

Or “Land of my Fathers”

[spare osprey]

Super agree. I actually sorta implemented it in my fallen warband

Ancients, instead of banners, carry tomes of songs and stories.

[wintry scarab]

Is the Pox hound like a normal terran dog?

[summer mural]

neat

[spare osprey]

Think I have art of one

Yeah here we go, Venerable ancient Marwolaeth. Currently interred within a custom dreadnought

He was mainly made cause I thought a dreadnought having a pipe organ built in sounded rad asf

[rocky gale]

So he can provide his own background music for inspirational speeches?

[spare osprey]

YUP

[rocky gale]

[spare osprey]

Think I have a friend of his somewhere

Here we go, Knight-Champion Carlaen.

Lost his arm to a night lord during the heresy, but he just traded the lad for his chain glaive (and life) so they’re all good.

[summer mural]

Im surprised theres no null gene primarch

[green loom]

They're warpy by nature so it doesn't really work

But a good few of them have a passive effect of "calming" the warp around them

[summer mural]

who ?

[rocky gale]

I think Angron was able to calm and soothe those around him before the Nails

[green loom]

Dorn could calm the warp too

[summer mural]

yeah

"The Night Haunter personally beheaded the Salamanders' Primarch, ripped out his throat with a piece of cutlery, stabbed him through the chest and virtually tore him limb from limb with his own wicked claws. When these attempts failed to kill Vulkan, Curze had him eviscerated, shot at close-range by hundreds of Bolters, put into a ventilation shaft of a starship's engine and even stripped naked and thrown out of an airlock into the airless void of space. But the Night Haunter's efforts proved all for naught."

bwahahahahhahaha 40k such a memefest

[storm jungle]

People were like

"Oh my god that is so horrible poor Vulkan!"

meanwhile me reading that and laughing my ass off at a literal looney tunes gag-reel

prob THE funniest part of the book

[queen laurel]

you like Marazhai

[storm jungle]

What does that have to do with anything

💀

[queen laurel]

No I just want to randomly throw something at you

[green loom]

||should I feel bad about killing Yrilet||

[storm jungle]

Yes lmao

[queen laurel]

I mean it's understandable why she would betray us but that is kind of taking it too far

[green loom]

Too bad

[storm jungle]

💀

[green loom]

My campaign bugged out anyway so I'll have to go back a bit lol

[queen laurel]

she is literally willing to sacrifice a piece of herself to a dark elder just to make up for you

[green loom]

I finished chapter 3 and could instantly build everything on Kiava Gamma

[queen laurel]

at least she regrets what she did and knows it

[queen laurel]

did you get the master crafted claymore i recommended?

[green loom]

No

At least not yet

[queen laurel]

I really want to visit this section of the map

It's obvious because why

[storm jungle]

alas thats off the edges

[queen laurel]

Yeah can be a dangerous place which makes it a perfect home for orks

considering they can just survive just about everywhere

radioactive asteroid fields, literal acidic swamps

Even on places bombed by exterminatus

[dusk patrol]

I don’t think it’s unjustified, I didn’t do it but I think she even acknowledges you’re well within your rights to do anything with her at that stage. Especially if you played like I did with only ever being willing to help and understand her.

[green loom]

Ye

[dusk patrol]

That being said, the Drukhari is gonna die horribly the first chance I get after we leave Commorragh

[green loom]

I'll just give him to Heinrix lol

[dusk patrol]

There’s a part in Teen Titans where Slade catches Robin as he’s about to fall off a building and Robin’s confused and goes “You, saved me?”

And then Slade says “I’m not done with you yet, and proceeds to keep kicking his ass.”

That’s me and Marazhai

The Space Wolf roasting him in dialogue is funny too, I figure him having to rely on me and a bunch of filthy humans to survive is worse than any torture I could inflict

[queen laurel]

I just gave her corporal punishment because fighting that Kabal leader gave me trauma

F*** that b****

[dusk patrol]

Dude I just swapped to an easier mode during the bit where you have no gear, and even that sucked cause the wounds you accumulate, I only learned later that theres some medkits which heal those traumas. Fuck the entire chapter lol.

I despise that shit in games, at least it was brief but jfc it’s so boring

[queen laurel]

My guy i was on story

[dusk patrol]

I as a rule reject anytime devs decide "ok you had fun now time to not have fun for like two hours, better save scum too cause this shit isn't balanaced around the class and characters you can arbitrarily get at this stage lol"

[queen laurel]

Chapter 4 is not any better

Right now i'm using mods for the game because i lost my original save

[outer wave]

||Damn, thought that Helbrute would have like two open tomes beside the head or have a slightly more Tzeentch-y thematic going design wise||

Just a little bit, like add some tomes to the design

[spare osprey]

i believe the reasoning is cause T sons can't actually make helbrutes from their own dudes. they put other chaos marines in them.

[outer wave]

Thats interesting

Id have thought they could but they just damn the soul associated with the dust of that marine

And it wouldnt look as fleshy

Especially since the Rubicon should still be in effect

[green loom]

Hehehehehe

[spare osprey]

mhm

[quick egret]

i have just discovered the existence of Screamers of Tzeentch and i find them absolutely adorable

that is all

[outer wave]

They become funny discs when made into a mount

[quick egret]

i prefer them in their flappy form

[celest dome]

Disk of Tzeentch ?

Didn't know they were tranformed from them

[quick egret]

is that after it's been disc-ified?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[quick egret]

the screamers look like manta rays

[outer wave]

Yuh apparently Tzeentch will morph a screamer into a disc when a champion gets their mount

[errant yacht]

Barring the obvious "Jesus Christ", has there been any speculation on the Emperor's many names before the Age of Strife?

[arctic talon]

Neoth

Alexander as well

as in Alexander the great

[errant yacht]

Yep

[arctic talon]

But I don't think he's gotten names beyond that?

hell its not even confirmed if he was Jesus christ

[errant yacht]

Any likelihood that he could have been King Arthur of Camelot, along with President Abraham Lincoln?

Arthur is probably less likely though cuz the quest for the Grail would likely be beneath the Emperor

[arctic talon]

there's no real evidence for or against

tbh

The Emperor realistically could have been almost anyone in the History of earth

he's a biomancer

[errant yacht]

Fair point. Still wanna think that he once wore the identity of Haruhi Suzumiya, though that'd probably be heretical given her interest in xenos, psykers, and temporal anomalies

[tulip brook]

Emperor was Obama, that's why we always thank him.

[storm jungle]

You should look up one of the gifs Owlcat posted from rogue trader

where one of the Screamers ACTUALLY floats down to take a nap its so fucking cute

[green loom]

I LOVE ROGUE TRADER

https://tenor.com/view/rogue-trader-profit-factor-gif-24031910

[quick egret]

!!! do you have a link?

[storm jungle]

Im trying to find it 😩

[storm jungle]

https://fxtwitter.com/OwlcatGames/status/1631670113635115010

LOOK AT IT

[arctic talon]

Adorable

[quick egret]

thank you for this flappy sky pancake

sorry emperor im turning to the ruinous powers

[dusk patrol]

I am impressed with the effort into some models for what seems to be one off encounters

Or very few at least

[late grotto]

Not too sure is this the right place to ask. So Moebian 6th is actually former Imperial regiment, therefore it should have standard organization . Does that mean everyone rebelled? Like for example the entire HQ, commisars etc. also i havent seen any traitor psykers in the game . Just curious

[dusk patrol]

Genestealers were pretty great and I wouldn’t be shocked if I barely see them again ever

[dusk patrol]

We don’t know is the easy answer

It’s not clear whose in charge, if they killed the higher command, if it got shaken up

Could be all, could be none or whatever

Wolfer seems to be in a very high position and he’s just “captain”

And we see other captain who don’t seem to be the same level as him so

Not clear basically

As for psykers sanctioned psykers aren’t common in the guard

[late grotto]

Ahhh k got it. Thanks for the explanation.

[storm jungle]

Yeah its probably going to be revealed as we go along as per the live-service material.

We DO know theres a "Moebian Command" in place so its not just Wolfer, so its very possible once we kill him at some point another chaos villain from the regiment will take his place

[green loom]

The commissars probably got dragged

*fragged

[dusk patrol]

Yeah I imagine as the story progresses we’ll learn more and more about their command and probably how and why they fell too.

Maybe, we see corrupted Commissars

It would be a fun boss ngl lol

[storm jungle]

Yeah as much as people complaining us seeing the entire reason of their fall and details of it instantly would not be as fun

[green loom]

The 6th very much reads like the Atomans specifically rebelling, Commissars are generally off worlders/outsiders

[crystal forum]

red commissar looks like and actual soviet union officer

[dusk patrol]

It’s not really clear, I’m just saying it could be both. I imagine lots didn’t but some could.

[crystal forum]

also chaos commissar is cursed AF

[dusk patrol]

Corrupted Commissars are not common but it does happen.

Generally as you say they tend to get fragged

[crystal forum]

i think we had this discussion before but what unit of the imperium do you fellas think would be the least likely to switch to chaos

[green loom]

Anything tied to the schola typically

[crystal forum]

without counting obvious ones like custodes

[green loom]

Scions, commissars, sisters, arbites

All extremely brainwashed/loyal

[dusk patrol]

I mean

Boring answer but

Custodes

[crystal forum]

i just said

[dusk patrol]

Well too late

[crystal forum]

[dusk patrol]

Sisters of Battle are very hard to turn

[green loom]

Cadians specifically probably have a grudge to settle

[dusk patrol]

It does happen

But it’s not common

[crystal forum]

does brainwashing really give more resistance or is it the most you know about chaos that makes you able to see the signs

[dusk patrol]

It varies

[green loom]

It's tied to your willpower

Mostly

How bullheaded or fanatical you are

[dusk patrol]

Knowing more about chaos sometimes can be worse

But the Armor of Contempt is a real thing

[crystal forum]

the entire reason the siege of vraks happened is because the masses were too loyal to a high ranking member of the ecclesiarchy

[dusk patrol]

Generally that can be an issue yes

[crystal forum]

so what would be better against chaos:
a) being a gray knight and having experienced chaos first hand
b) being a custodes and being 100% loyal to the emperor

[tulip brook]

the one without helmet

[crystal forum]

abaddon didn't have a helmet

[tulip brook]

he's still alive and well with all kinds of chaos pulling him for 10k years

[plush mason]

so is it possible for a rogue trader to have a knight world in their protectorate?

[crystal forum]

a knight world as in the mech or just a world in the medievel era

[plush mason]

the mechs

afaik the medievel era ones are called feudal worlds

[crystal forum]

the reason a lot of knight worlds got their mechs is because the mechanicum sent explorators during the age of strife

so those kinds of worlds once rediscovered would probably be loyal to the mechanicus

[plush mason]

well they had them before that but the explorators repaired them

[crystal forum]

as for imperial knight worlds, well probably if the rogue trader can convince a world full of mech users that they're in charge now

[crystal forum]

still, that means if you find a knight world it could be already loyal to the mechanicum

[plush mason]

unless it wasnt rediscovered untill now ofc the odds of a knight world lasting that long are slim

[crystal forum]

yeah especially with how violent the galaxy is after the giant warp storms

[plush mason]

yeah

[crystal forum]

maybe an undiscovered knight world would like how rogue traders function with dynasties

i can definitely see it as a possibility

just unlikely

[green loom]

Knight worlds are sovereign

[tulip brook]

I don't think the guys with giant mechs ruling over a world for thousands of years with feudal structures would just go "ok" if you tell them you are in charge

[green loom]

At most they'll have a written alliance or something along those lines

[tulip brook]

they will definitely laugh tho

[crystal forum]

they're known to be very religious

and stupid

[tulip brook]

religious, stupid, has big guns... see where I'm going?

[crystal forum]

rogue traders have big guns too

[brisk vine]

Not all knights are stupid

[crystal forum]

if they can "convince" the world that they're envoys of the emperor

[brisk vine]

Some of them regularly use archaeotech

[plush mason]

yeah that makes the most sense

[crystal forum]

i meant the worlds

[brisk vine]

I mean

[crystal forum]

they're stereotypical dumb peasants etc

[brisk vine]

It can range from feudal to properly post industrial

[tulip brook]

good luck convincing them you are part of a something thousand years old treaty and you have the right to rule over them

[plush mason]

anyway. see what i mean about Heinrix looking like the terminator

[crystal forum]

i've never heard of a knight world that wasn't stuck in the medieval age

[plush mason]

that or some dude from the matrix

[crystal forum]

it's the jawline

[plush mason]

100%

[crystal forum]

he's got the shwartz special

[storm jungle]

MEN IN BLACK

[plush mason]

that too

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/йокелемене-men-in-black-light-sunglasses-gif-15516530

[plush mason]

i love that helmet

buffs xeno lore and crit against xenos so its also really usefull

now to get him heavy armor skill so i can put on this armor i just got him

[brisk vine]

Most of the Mechanicus aligned knight worlds are basically huge mines and forges

[crystal forum]

oh right yeah

but those wouldn't let a rogue trader control them

[brisk vine]

The Imperialis Knights are feudal

And usually very much stuck around our perception of such a system

But it's a big universe

And GW always says "most" and "near universally"

So people can work in their hive world knights

[plush mason]

yeah the mechanicus allied ones are a lot more advanced than the imperial allied ones

[brisk vine]

Love my knights

Even if they are a bit silly

iirc, the realm of Ultramar has a few knight worlds

They probably have it better than a lot of the solo knight worlds

[crystal forum]

everything is better in ultramar

[storm jungle]

Ultramar is pretty bad its just more "stable"

[coarse pumice]

does guide of souls get applied with bring it down with Cassia?

[plush mason]

||this world is cursed. first scrap code then word bearers||

[green loom]

||It will get worse||

[brisk vine]

Stability does allow for some measure of progress at least, until nids show up

[plush mason]

||pain||

[wet sandal]

nocturne of oblivion my beloved

[storm jungle]

I love how when you explain what hes trying to say hes just

"GOOD WORK VAGABOND MERCHANT"

claps

[versed ledge]

How bad?

Also is there a mission where we get to encounter the Tau and possibly join them in Rogue trader?

[storm jungle]

Literally just fascist-rome, just more organized

its not really utopian

[velvet imp]

it appears I am one of the less than 1% in Rogue Trader who manage to avoid combat above 10 times in one playthrough by convincing the enemy to not fight and surrender/reteat. I'm not even past chapter 2 yet.

That is a achievement in the grimdark future of 40K

[green loom]

chuckle "Bravo"
Man I loved those interactions, made me actually like Harlequins

https://youtu.be/9ZXUul00Gis?si=G7565kxmGfeKkWli

Gave me Ron vibes

[tight stratus]

How feesable would it be for them to add a game-mode to darktide where you have to pick up chains and escort a Daemonhost for the inquisition to extraction.

The mission involves you trailing it behind you or leaving it in safe places, or risking it, angering it and letting it lose and hope it takes out some enemies along the way as well as killing 2 of you?

Or are daemonhosts in lore just way too volatile for any of that ?

[green loom]

Well our inquisitor evidently doesn't mind mass-use of unsanctioned psykers and lowly traitors

So I wouldn't put it past them

[tight stratus]

Interesting

[spring cairn]

meanwhile I just want to see a leman russ fire or move it's turret slightly in a mission

or move

anything

vibrate even

[tight stratus]

I was really impressed with new animations for the new missions of the characters placing bombs upon walls. I definately think it isn't ouf ot the question

I'm just currently looking up notable daemonhosts on the warhammer wiki, already seeing a few familiar names on here that I've heard over Darktide comms, like Karnak Zul

[plush mason]

i doubt it given we are literally on the other side of the galaxy from their empire

[crisp heath]

Arma 2 "Only War" tank glitch: allow me to introduce myself

[plush mason]

you mean the one where you can just yeet a tank into the sky by running into it?

[crisp heath]

Yeah, or just any of the various teleporting tank glitches

[plush mason]

saw one video where a dude drop kicked a baneblade and sent it flying. was great

[crisp heath]

I am not good at Arma 2 at all but I started playing because of Rimmy's videos. I stopped playing when my Leman Russ inexplicably rubber banded, stretching itself several miles away and killing everyone inside, and my team got mad at me for "losing the tank"

[plush mason]

oof

[crisp heath]

I should've hit them with "there was warp fuckery afoot"

[vale fjord]

so i read the rogue trrader lore descript

apparently brahms is famous?

[storm jungle]

I mean she's a rogue trader

its like a requirement

[green loom]

Yeah you're a massive figure in imperial high society

[vale fjord]

i mean thats fair

[velvet imp]

Warp Lore seem to be the only Trait check that may require player character to meet since companions are lacking in the INT Warp Lore roles in Rogue trader

[plush mason]

i cant wait to put Abelard in some power armor so he can be my mini space marine lol

[green loom]

I'm loving my Gentleman-Officer look

[vale fjord]

he looks german-ish

[patent ivy]

Would you guys say ||Jae is worth it to have in your party||? Seems like a lot of decisions actually have consequences to varying degrees, and Abe's remark kinda makes me wanna undo it

[crisp heath]

||Jae will steal from you, but to my knowledge it doesn't cause any major issues with your playthrough. If you romance her, she gets a special ending in the epilogue, like all other romances.||

@patent ivy

The only character I got rid of was ||Idira|| because she was more trouble than she was worth

[patent ivy]

You serious?? Man I might have to go back an hour or so and undo it then

[patent ivy]

What trouble was that?

[crisp heath]

Oh, I don't want to spoil that plotline for you. There's some real fucked up warp shit going on and it sounds like you're almost to that point.

||Idira|| also has out-of-combat advantanges, but it means you also have to use her in combat to get them, which is a liability, so I wasn't going to put her back on my team

[patent ivy]

Gotcha. I got problems with them too because it is hard to build them in a way I want to use them

The one main issue I have with this game is the leveling up system

[crisp heath]

Also, ||Jae's stealing|| doesn't hurt your Profit Factor or damage your ship, it's just a plotline that I think might be optional

[patent ivy]

Oh okay never mind then

I wonder if|| Heinrix will turn on you if you pick too many heretical decisions||

[crisp heath]

||Yes, if you get heretic 2 (or 3?) or higher, your companions will leave you, except for a few. There's an alternate set of companions for heretic playthroughs.||

[patent ivy]

Oh really? Interesting

[crisp heath]

Yeah I think it's just 2 secret/specific companions though. ||Cassia|| stays because she agrees with you on everything, but the ones you'd expect all leave

[green loom]

Kinda want to start my heretic playthrough early

[patent ivy]

Gotcha

[green loom]

||She kinda has to considering, you know ||

[crisp heath]

Oh and every conviction has a "secret" companion

I don't know how to get them all but I know you "set up" the companion quest for the secret ones in Act 1 and 2, and then can recruit them in act 3

I did the setup for the iconoclast companion but I'm playing dogmatic, oops

https://gameranx.com/features/id/484773/article/warhammer-40k-rogue-trader-how-to-recruit-secret-companions/

Major spoilers, but if you want to grab them

[patent ivy]

||Did you guys save the people on Rykad Minoris or blow it up?||

[crisp heath]

||I saved them and now my menials keep burning their eyes out with acid||

[patent ivy]

Yeah I'm starting to think I made a mistake

This game really gives you consequences

I like it

[velvet imp]

choosing Foulstone to become a Shrine world or a Fortress world was a hard choice.

on one hand, making it into Fortress world with the Bonfires of Rightousness path will provide more security and +20% damage boost to daemons and defense against Daemons buff.

Shrine world path with Good tidings provide more Profit factor, efficiency, and Complacency

[vale fjord]

What yall think the xeno skull on the vet pirate's shoulder is

[storm jungle]

Generic Alien No.213

[storm jungle]

Basically my tip for Iconoclast after having finished the game in 77 hours is when the fate of an entire world is at stake and chaos is involved let the classic Imperium stuff take place, theres no point in trying to salvage it. Iconoclast fits more for stuff where being merciful and kind makes sense, a good ruler should always be interchangable between the two, when you are always kind that is a lot worse.

[patent ivy]

Gotcha I figured I shouldn’t stick to one

Just that the point system made me think so initially

[storm jungle]

Yeah exactly be interchangable, sometimes a punishing/harsh hand is needed for a setting like this.

but theres no harm in making good decisions either, just dont trust everything upfront and sometimes listen to your gut

[crisp heath]

Share a pic of the skull real quick. I actually have an idea, but I'm not certain. Wanna check

[green loom]

Iconoclast/dogmatic is THE way to play imo

[storm jungle]

^