40k-lore-chat

[stray bluff]

Killing 2000+ heretics every 20 min

[median marsh]

Most of our kills are actually poxwalkers

[stray bluff]

They shouldnt have turned

[queen laurel]

if the corruption is bad enough to have demons capable of manifesting in the field then we need some real serious backup

[stray bluff]

No you wont and no one would play it

GTFO is the closest game to the initial Darktide reveal trailer

[median marsh]

beast of Nurgle I can excuse as chaos summoning rituals, since demons don't just manifest yet

[stray bluff]

No

[median marsh]

Lethal Company is good fun

[queen laurel]

The developer is very goddamn clever with the way the monsters interact with you and the way you can complete your objectives

Hearing people scream when they see something for the first time is always fun even though i can't play it because i'm a lonely piece of scrap

[stray bluff]

Can’t be more fun than Darktide

Ppl will optimise to the optimal way anyway

Its a horde shooter

We need to kill, thats about it

Very happy w the Orthus Offensive

Unironically true

[median marsh]

variety is nice, main issues are basically expecting it right and so on

[stray bluff]

Nuance in my 40K?!

In my tide game

Go play Rogue Trader

[median marsh]

Orthus already is a pretty nice experiment, with the bosses ambushing you

So I think going forward we'll see more unique things

[stray bluff]

Yup, scripted locations too

No, you dont know that

[median marsh]

In VT2 we basically just ran into boss arena with zero interaction (like assassination mission) now with the twins they feel more interactive

gives more flavor to em

[stray bluff]

I really dig the HL-18-66 atmosphere in the Special Assignment

[crisp heath]

He says like 40k isn't built on nuance and a non-omnipotent viewpoint. Lol the whole setting is nuanced purposefully. Almost anything in 40k can legitimately be looked at through multiple lenses, and to say otherwise is hilariously obvious trolling. And then to go on and tell people to play rogue trader Lol because you dont like what he said. You wanna know what's kept 40k from being a big video game franchise? Top down games like that. They are niche, and let's be real, 40k isn't coming out with anything Diablo quality any time soon. And then to argue again that the idea you shot down wouldn't work the way the guy is saying, when you never even put any thought in it in the first place is the real ironical thing. Lol look bro. If all you want is a fight, we can fight. But don't actively troll in lore chat. I like this place and the talks in here, and am already devisive enough by myself. We don't need your bullshit added in the mix.

I'm sure @storm jungle would agree

[storm jungle]

Pretty much everything Ghost said yep.

like if 40k didn't have nuance it wouldn't have lasted for 30+ years lol

its literally half the reason people love it as a setting

[queen laurel]

It's nuance and excessive scale is what makes it appealing

[green loom]

In fairness rogue trader isn't the usual 40k top down game

It actually has a story this time and it's an rpg

[queen laurel]

Yeah because it's actually good

[green loom]

Anyway I've got my eye on yous

[queen laurel]

power armor actually looks sick in rogue trader

[median marsh]

[crisp heath]

Lol I wonder if the Nurgle Cultists say that lol. Looking "sick" in 40k is probably one of their higher praises 🤣

"Yo, Wolfer, bro. You totally look sick with it!"

Lol can totally see them saying that while Disturbed "Down with the Sickness" plays in the background somewhere.

[storm jungle]

You joke but it actually is.

Have you read Lords of Silence?

there "get well soon" among plague marines is considered an insult

[queen laurel]

I'm going to wash you with soap and feed you vitamins

[crisp heath]

🤣 I love this

Reminds me of the SpongeBob Battle of the Besties episode lol, where Patrick and SpongeBob argue and fight over being clean or dirty lolol

https://youtu.be/2oTeUf8d3r0?feature=shared

[storm jungle]

honestly the amount of spongebob scenarios you can fit into 40k is disturbingly high

[crisp heath]

🤣

[queen laurel]

The xenos of bikini bottom are a strange bunch that we don't want to mess with

[crisp heath]

I need that comparison now lol

[queen laurel]

Trust me on that

[storm jungle]

I think its just a case of the show being around for so long

so basically any kind of fictional trope is there

[crisp heath]

Lol for sure

Plus I think it's literally impossible to have not seen it at this point

So some inspiration may have been taken as well, however small

Maybe 🤷‍♂️

[storm jungle]

https://youtu.be/fP8zcvsuY6Y

Yeah see what I mean here

[crisp heath]

🤣 💀

[storm jungle]

Alright you two none of that.

you can prove points without throwing insults

[crisp heath]

Not an insult. Dude is unashamedly acting like it, I'm going to call him out on it.

Tell me I'm wrong

[storm jungle]

I mean you aren't but don't start a fight over it in a public channel.

[crisp heath]

Fair point...

[storm jungle]

[inland sigil]

Oh I am too late to the fight :(

[crisp heath]

🤣

[plush mason]

lol

[soft thunder]

Scrolled past a reddit post suggesting a similar engagement to the twins or pre-orthus twin ambushes, but it's the biggest meanest ogryn bodyguard wolfer has. More ogryn is always welcome.

[median marsh]

[queen laurel]

I would love it to be just a bulwark wearing crusher armor

[median marsh]

A juiced up menacing ogryn would be great to be honest

[soft thunder]

and with alot of spikes

[queen laurel]

Brunk the plague behemoth

Something

[median marsh]

Like instead of being pompous like twins I can imagine him going "I'll enjoy crushing your skull, twerp" while towering above even other ogryns

[soft thunder]

blackstone fortress had so many cool things going on

but kinda like that guy on hte right but with a big tower sheild

or hell, give him an abomination/roadhog chain grab

[spring cairn]

are they the same size or is it just perspective

[median marsh]

Perspective

[soft thunder]

man idk if that's even an ogryn

[median marsh]

The Ogryn mini is closer

[queen laurel]

Perspective

[spring cairn]

if it's closer then the other one should be even smaller

i think it's just the way the image is photoshopped

it's probably just a collage

[green loom]

The ogryn mini is farther

Just on a layer above the commissar

[spring cairn]

yep

bad photoshop

[spring cairn]

much better

[soft thunder]

ya

[spring cairn]

except the paintjob

painting hard

[soft thunder]

throw some agrax wash or a black wash and it'll be fine

[spring cairn]

my first guard minis look like that meme image

[drifting jacinth]

Are those tusks or is it part of its gas mask thingy ?

[soft thunder]

yes

jokes aside, ya I think they are tusks

well, chin spikes

[drifting jacinth]

I kinda dislike how dirty ogryns are done in 40k I'm ngl
I don't mind them being religious af and obedient when in the guard but chaos ogryn should have the opportunity to be ambitious assholes same as normal cultists

Instead they're always second fiddle

A cool ogryn boss would definitively do them justice

[soft thunder]

agreed

[storm jungle]

Thats kinda what happens when you are easy to manipulate

[spring cairn]

they have that kid naivity in them

[summer mural]

whats morrows lore anyway

[drifting jacinth]

An entire race being easy to manipulate is dumb, there's a ton of dope opportunities for characters and designs in "chaos ogres in SPACEEEEE"

[spring cairn]

no matter the side they fight on

they'll be bossed around

[drifting jacinth]

Yeah I know
I dislike that
It's annoying

[soft thunder]

was at hades hive w/ yarrick or something then got lost in a warp storm and went on adventures, eventually getting picked up by the inquisition for more adventures

[spring cairn]

I'm fine with it

[summer mural]

someone told me he was in the armageddon steel legion

[soft thunder]

yup

it's the uniform he's still wearing

[spring cairn]

he'll tell you himself

[summer mural]

imagine if a death korper was running the warband

[drifting jacinth]

Why are they even called a legion if their regiments don't fight together

[outer wave]

While I'm pretty okay with them having general trust in their friends (or least that's what they'd call them), yeah agreed its a wee bit annoying to see.

[storm jungle]

Humans in general are very easy to manipulate

ogryns even more so

They are pretty much indoctrinated from birth

[drifting jacinth]

In 40k or irl ?

[storm jungle]

[drifting jacinth]

Genuine question, there are edgelords that'd say it for irl so

[storm jungle]

I mean both?

Like people being swayed by good talkers/manipulators is not an "edgelord" thing to point out, its true

[outer wave]

Look at the alpha/sigma male stuff for example in today's culture

[summer mural]

some khornate ogryns would be pretty dope

[spring cairn]

slapping that on all of humanity is the edgelord thing to do

[storm jungle]

As K from Men in Black 2 put it best

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-tommy-lee-jones-smart-dumb-panic-gif-20007208

[drifting jacinth]

That's dumb
characterising the entirety of sentience we know about as being a singular thing is both pretty pointless because it means nothing and extremely ambitious for no particular reason

[spring cairn]

it's like saying "Everyone is so le WEAK but not me"

[drifting jacinth]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

Either way its the lore

[drifting jacinth]

40k is not irl

[storm jungle]

a good majority of ogryns are manipulated to serving the Imperium

only a small bunch are smart enough to break away

[drifting jacinth]

And yeah, I'm not saying it's not

[remote blaze]

irl is way more depressing

[drifting jacinth]

I'm saying the lore is stupid and prevents good writing and design opportunity

[spring cairn]

the 5th class will be the grey ogryn

[storm jungle]

Was gonna say lmao

40k is satire for a reason

[remote blaze]

Lore cant hear you over the money printing machines, you'll have to shout louder into the void.

[outer wave]

We all got gripes with details in the lore but it's also the same kinda lore I keep coming back to anyway lmao

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

Remember this is a company that sells plastic crack it's main job is to get money not to provide stories to people

[spring cairn]

Ogryns need to be dumb so we can have big unga bungas that enjoy fighting on the human side

[outer wave]

Like I want Ogryns to be expanded upon as an actual faction but who knows if that'd ever happen

[drifting jacinth]

Are you guys under the impression I'm trying to get gw to change it or smth

[outer wave]

Yes because I like change in ogryn lore too

[drifting jacinth]

I wish it did change, but I don't think gw authors are taking inspiration from lore channels on discord lmao

[outer wave]

Nooope

[remote blaze]

You're lucky they're even still in the lore lol.

Seen any squats lately?

[outer wave]

Uhh

Did you not see the new faction reveal from a year ago?

[drifting jacinth]

Uh yeah
they just got new minis lmao

[outer wave]

^

[remote blaze]

Yes, the Votann

[drifting jacinth]

There's a squat necromunda gang, a 40k army, characters in suplemental products

[spring cairn]

Now waiting for the Votann to get proper stories and lore anyday now

and have actual impact

[remote blaze]

I remember fondly the lines of novels and mysterious images of new releases from the...oh wait, they barely exist.

[outer wave]

I dunno if a race like that could have actual impact

[outer wave]

And honestly I'm okay with it

They're just doing their own thing

[spring cairn]

well they could do some cool shit

[drifting jacinth]

New factions b like that

[spring cairn]

i don't see why not

[storm jungle]

They literally just came out

factions need time to be built up, its not instant

especially when you are xenos and not Imperial

[remote blaze]

They are Imperial, technically

[storm jungle]

Nah

[drifting jacinth]

At least they're human-shaped, roughly
they'll get a trilogy

[storm jungle]

Votann are not Imperials at all

[drifting jacinth]

They literally don't recognise the emperor

So no

[celest dome]

I though that was J

[storm jungle]

Gav Thorpe is writing it yet

[storm jungle]

K is usually profound so nope its him

[celest dome]

Squats are/were Imperial, Kins are not

[summer mural]

whats a votan

[storm jungle]

Space Dwarf

https://tenor.com/view/deep-rock-galactic-enfer-david-taroz-juggern-jugegern-gif-24186100

[queen laurel]

Space dwarfs

[drifting jacinth]

They're abhumans, so of terran descent
they're not under the dominion of terra though

[summer mural]

like a civilization?

[celest dome]

Votaan are AI STC

[storm jungle]

yes

[remote blaze]

They are abhumans, they are part of the Imperium.

Even if they aren't aware of it yet.

[storm jungle]

Good on them too, the Imperium is cringe

[summer mural]

do they have cool toys?

[storm jungle]

They arent a part of the Imperium

[outer wave]

They're using old age tech IIRC so yes

[storm jungle]

the Imperium does not have ownership over abhumans or the human race lol

[remote blaze]

I don't think you understand how this works.

[storm jungle]

I do.

[storm jungle]

idk what you are getting at

lol

[queen laurel]

Literal space dwarfs

[drifting jacinth]

Oh god it's a space marine larper

[outer wave]

Oh fuck me

[celest dome]

Then Heretics are Imperials

[summer mural]

they do look like tiny space marines

[storm jungle]

yeah that was a common criticism

literally starcraft marines lol

[queen laurel]

Yeah they have dark age of technology tech

Which makes them less unique

[summer mural]

they could use some more beardies

[drifting jacinth]

It's roughly the same kind of tech
Do wish it looked more interesting though

[summer mural]

and probably tanks bigger than warlord class titans

[soft thunder]

they also have admech round-boi robots but w/ aprons and sentience

[remote blaze]

Heretics are heretics. The space midgets are independent up until the shiny tech is noticed.

Then its Mechanicus fleets and titans for everyone until those delicious STCs come home.

[queen laurel]

Why do their armors have toes though

[drifting jacinth]

I like the little carry handles on top of their leaders though

[celest dome]

The only League models I actually dislike are the Berzerker, and the vehicle
And the Runepriest

[drifting jacinth]

An ogryn could grab one and attach him to his backpack

[storm jungle]

And Votann got enough tech to hold them at bay so lol

get outta here with that Imperial nonsense

[outer wave]

Yeah considering the Votann are actively isolationists, yeah not likely to ever happen.

[remote blaze]

So did the Interex, the Rangda, the Orcs at one point...

[storm jungle]

Yeah in 30k

when marine legions existed

and were spammed everywhere

[outer wave]

Orks
Lmao

[storm jungle]

LOL

Bad example.

[celest dome]

League of Votan are stronger, and Orks are still around and kicking the Imperial asses everyday

[remote blaze]

There are more Ultramarines and successors now then there were in 30k

[summer mural]

is there some reason the necrons havent taken over the galaxy yet

[storm jungle]

Cool

[drifting jacinth]

Yeah, and they're the exception

[storm jungle]

and uh

you remember that uhhh

the galaxy is kinda big

[drifting jacinth]

There's like 10 times less everything else

[celest dome]

Sleepy and infighting

[summer mural]

necrons infight?

[outer wave]

Imperium is kinda dying while the fungus boys are thriving

[remote blaze]

Constantly

[storm jungle]

Yes

[queen laurel]

Yeah they petty like that

[celest dome]

Differnt dyansties

[storm jungle]

My man is on something 💀

[summer mural]

oh so like the tomb kings without settra

[queen laurel]

But without of doubt if they all united they are the strongest

[drifting jacinth]

They're so above everyone else they tend to focus on petty shit

[storm jungle]

CORRECT 🫵

[queen laurel]

Their super weapons are straight up more broken than a broken plunger

[green loom]

Wait what's this dude arguing

[celest dome]

Even with Settra, not all Tomb King were allied to him

[outer wave]

They got the Silent King but he's, well, quiet

[storm jungle]

The Imperium can beat something idk

[summer mural]

can it though

[outer wave]

Imperium own the Votann

For some reason

[storm jungle]

Yeah i dont get the point either

[green loom]

[drifting jacinth]

He writes orc with a c and didn't know the squats were back so I doubt he knows that much about the lore

[outer wave]

Idk they'd just try and kill then tbh

[queen laurel]

The votaan have literal sentient stcs

And dark age of technology tech

[outer wave]

Yeah they'd just be hunted down

[celest dome]

Fair

[remote blaze]

I'm arguing that Votann is a dumb faction and only exists as a moneygrab. Shoving them into the lore would put them in the same spot as countless other subfactions that have been utterly destroyed.

[forest orbit]

"The orks at one point", yeah I guess thats why Orks are literally everywhere rn since the Imperium got rid of them right

[drifting jacinth]

Youtube clips and ther consequences have been disastrous

[storm jungle]

So does the Imperium

and so does Space Marines

money is money

[summer mural]

but tau exist

[storm jungle]

GW gets to decide which faction explodes and what doesn't

[queen laurel]

The lore exists to sell minis

That's literally gw

[celest dome]

SM are more of a money grab than the League of Votaan are and will always be

[forest orbit]

The squats got more reason to be around than most subfactions

[drifting jacinth]

Breaking news : 40k, as a setting might exist to make money ???? More news at 8

[forest orbit]

I feel like your imperium bias is just showing lol

[green loom]

Space marines are shoved literally everywhere

[outer wave]

There's a reason its called plastic crack, and thus far they've done pretty well being sold. Also I like a new faction that's a wee different from the rest.

[forest orbit]

^

Let people enjoy the shit they want lol

[green loom]

And the Votaan are pretty out of the way

[forest orbit]

"Oh they dont fit the setting"

the one with literal space orks?

LOL

[outer wave]

Now GW gimme OGRYN FACT--

[green loom]

They're squatting in the galactic core and barely anyone is even aware of them being there

[drifting jacinth]

They're basically the last human||ish|| group that didn't get got during the great crusade

[queen laurel]

The setting with the elves that can summon a god in the battlefield?

Shocker

[remote blaze]

They fit the setting perfectly, can't argue that. However according to all the lore they're fucked.

[drifting jacinth]

I don't mind the idea of humans having to interact with the empire from an outsider's pov in the 40k era being explored

[summer mural]

why do all the character stories end with more than half of them getting lost in space implied only to return someday

[forest orbit]

Everyone is fucked

[drifting jacinth]

So is everyone except the nids

[celest dome]

We still should have a game with a Harlequin as the main character, and have Neil Patrick Harris as the actor/VA

[green loom]

What goes "all the lore" mean lol

[forest orbit]

Its so that they can return as miniatures

[drifting jacinth]

Youtube clips

[forest orbit]

this mostly only applies to primarchs tho

[summer mural]

wheres the custodes guy

the first one

[forest orbit]

Valdor?

[summer mural]

ye

and draigo

[forest orbit]

we dont know, hes in a prequel novel atm

draigo is also lost in the warp

[drifting jacinth]

Draigo is in the warp, not in space

[summer mural]

[celest dome]

According to all the lore the Imperium is 1st in line to be fucked

[drifting jacinth]

We know where he is you just gotta follow the doom music

[forest orbit]

*circus music

but yes

[remote blaze]

Draigo has been back for a while. Had a whole adventure with the Dark Angels a while back.

[forest orbit]

Hes basically in the warp still

[plush mason]

J is Will Smith

[forest orbit]

he teleports in and out as the plot demands

[remote blaze]

He punched Azrael in the face, it was great.

[celest dome]

Haven't seen the movies in ages

[forest orbit]

I forgot that was a thing

since its about as forgettable as most space marine plotlines

[storm jungle]

correct assessment

[drifting jacinth]

He's as bound to the warp as a daemon basically

[forest orbit]

[drifting jacinth]

Except he's a dude

[forest orbit]

Hes just a lil dude

[queen laurel]

When was ever a space marine memorable

[plush mason]

Titus

[summer mural]

sigi was fun

[queen laurel]

They're so generic these days you can find the more interesting kids books at the f****** local bookstore

[forest orbit]

Its big guys in armor and appeal to the lowest denominator

so idk

[celest dome]

All the Ken from the Barbie movie against Caldor Draigo
Who win

[forest orbit]

Ken deffo

[drifting jacinth]

I like csm storylines 😔

[summer mural]

sly marbo

[queen laurel]

Shane space marine 2 doesn't seem to be shaping up so well

[remote blaze]

Ken, weight of numbers alone

[storm jungle]

yeah but CSM are actually good tho, why do you say it like its a bad thing

[summer mural]

also, how exactly do eversor assassins assassinate

[forest orbit]

take kid

grow kid

pump drugs

brainwash

release

[drifting jacinth]

They assasinate "that entire bunker", not a single dude

[plush mason]

and hell Titus is only memorable because he is a shit Ultramarine

[remote blaze]

Violently

[celest dome]

Still think an rpg game where you follow a group of SM turning chaos/rogue would be a great idea

[celest dome]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pywjdJ7P-7o&pp=ygUZa2FybCB0aGUgZGVyYW5nZWQgZXZlcnNvcg%3D%3D

[remote blaze]

The fall is usually way more boring than you expect

[summer mural]

lmao

[plush mason]

the only space marine characters that are truly memorable are the ones that break the mold of their given chapter/legion

[remote blaze]

Lukas

[celest dome]

I think seeing a group of SM turning into proper CSM under your hand, letting you decide who they join and all would be a nice idea

[remote blaze]

Basically a chaos warband simulator, could be neat

[green loom]

||also holy fuck I was not expecting Rogue Trader to hit this hard into your allignment with Nomos||

[summer mural]

do chaplains actually have superpowers

[celest dome]

No

[summer mural]

so they are just regular space marines but for morale

[celest dome]

Well, no but yes

[summer mural]

I see

[green loom]

They're typically in charge of discipline and ritual

[celest dome]

I think they still have some faith power or something but someone would have to check it

[outer wave]

I was thinking a TTRPG where players play as to-be cultists of a cult they make and grow until they succeed in bringing down the hiveworld would also be fun

[remote blaze]

They are very angry.

[drifting jacinth]

That exists and it's called dark crusade

[celest dome]

True, for "cultist" I think an Assassin's Creed Genestealer Cult (Sanctus) would be a 100% banger idea

[drifting jacinth]

*black crusade

[outer wave]

I thought that was the players being under the inquisition and told to check cult activity

[drifting jacinth]

No ?

[outer wave]

No that's dark heresy

[drifting jacinth]

You're straight up a chaos cultist

[outer wave]

Nvm

[drifting jacinth]

Or csm

[outer wave]

Aight aight cool

[drifting jacinth]

They also tend to carry better gear and potentially relics, but yeah they're just extra faithful marines that yell out mantras

[celest dome]

Wasn't Black Crusade the one that uterlly sucked ? As far as 40k rpg went ?

[drifting jacinth]

Haven't had the chance to run it yet but it seems fun, if a bit random

You kinda need a group you trust though

I'm not letting a player I just met play a slaneeshi cultist

[remote blaze]

Gatekeeping the buttstuff cult like that? Wow.

[drifting jacinth]

Yeah calling it the buttstuff cult is the kind of behavior I'd rather not have at a table
pretty much exactly what I'm talking about :v

[remote blaze]

If you can't find some humor you proba can shouldn't be at the table either lol

[green loom]

I'm planning to expand on my slaaneshi char this winter

[green loom]

I mean, it isn't too funny, just like how bayonet and shovel jokes make moldy bread look fresh

[drifting jacinth]

A player who starts talking about sex every time they hear about a fourth of the pantheon in a game about it would get tiring extremely quickly, and they'd pretty quickly make the table uncomfortable by showcasing loud and clear what they find sexually deviant (in your case, gay sex apparently)

[outer wave]

^

If you want that kinda table, it exists out there, but its not for me if I'm just wanting to play TTRPGs with the lads.

[celest dome]

As a somewhat confirmed GM, I will admit that I would have my reservation on some player wanting to play a "sexed up" character

[remote blaze]

What an adventurous crowd today. My apologies, I will refrain from any more memes.

[drifting jacinth]

My regular playgroup has gay people in it, so I'd rather not have a player making "gay sex = evil !!!!!!" jokes every few seconds, I think that's understandable ^^

[outer wave]

We don't got a meme channel

[celest dome]

I've had the displeasure of playing with someone that had a bad "schtick" once before and no more

[drifting jacinth]

40k having consistent lore is the meme

[green loom]

[drifting jacinth]

My condoleances

[celest dome]

Thank you, we must all learn one day

[summer mural]

theres a dark mechanicus?

[outer wave]

Yep

Heretekks

[summer mural]

but like, who do they worship

[remote blaze]

Dank Mechanicus you mean

[drifting jacinth]

Roughly half of mars left for chaos during the heresy and they still take apprentices and shit

[summer mural]

lmao

[celest dome]

Chaos, or the Omnissiah but under different rules

[drifting jacinth]

They range from mechanicus protestants to chaos cultists with robot parts

[remote blaze]

Some of them still worship the Machine God, in their own way. Most are just degenerates stuffing demons into various things.

[summer mural]

well I guess the csm cant just use the stuff they stole forever

[outer wave]

They don't typically change religions but they join chaos because of the freedom it gives to create

[storm jungle]

Late but based take.

[drifting jacinth]

Thanks ^^

[storm jungle]

Also pretty much that yeah

theres also a difference between hereteks and actual chaos hereteks

a lot of people forget this

[drifting jacinth]

Some hereteks are just dudes who made labs without burning the proper ointment

[remote blaze]

One is declared, the other admitted

[storm jungle]

Yep, you can be a heretek just because you wanted to help filter out toxic fumes in your work place by inventing some miracle gas-filter

Cawl is another example lol

[remote blaze]

Invention? Heresy.

[drifting jacinth]

Arguably you'd get chased by the mechanicus more for this than actual chaos worship

[queen laurel]

A normal heretek would deviate from the design of a toaster and allow it to shoot lasers a chaos heretic would not only do this but also turn it into a demon with enough fire power to level america

[remote blaze]

Cawl? Turbo Heresy.

[green loom]

Dude Dilara

[storm jungle]

Pretty much

[green loom]

Have you gotten to the meeting with Xavier yet

[storm jungle]

Im WAY past that

[green loom]

This is making me want a ducking

*fucking

[storm jungle]

unless you mean the Footfall one

[green loom]

Dark heresy game so much

[storm jungle]

They are deffo gonna do Dark Heresy after this

[drifting jacinth]

There's a heretek in the ahriman book who is just way too into talking to ship's machine spirits iirc

[storm jungle]

yeah being a heretek doesnt instantly mean you are evil

my Inquisitor OC has like 5 in his retinue 💀

they mostly hide on his ship

https://tenor.com/view/alliumghosts-run-running-away-hamster-fast-gif-22915344

[drifting jacinth]

Me when the arch-magos finds the 24 lasguns I've grafted to my arms (he doesn't mind but one of them has auto-aim)

[patent ivy]

Does|| Heinrix ||come back?

[celest dome]

But what if they did a Warhammer Fantasy rpg instead (Or Shadowrun tbh)

[patent ivy]

I think there's too much competition with that stuff

Isn't Pathfinder a DnD spinoff

[summer mural]

the whole radical inquisitor school of thought makes no sense to me

[drifting jacinth]

Not a spinoff technically, more of a rival

[rocky gale]

There's also the FFG games for Star Wars

[queen laurel]

i have a Heretek that got his brain fried and uses ork technology

[rocky gale]

A Star Wars CRPG would be dope

[remote blaze]

Which radical school? Lol

[patent ivy]

Gotcha

[storm jungle]

At which point are you?

[patent ivy]

Just got to footfall

[drifting jacinth]

It's less an actual school of thought and more a slippery slope that happens when you see demon bolters do work for hundreds of years

[storm jungle]

Yeah unless you actively dismiss him he comes back

[queen laurel]

Yes you have an option to keep him around or let him go later down the line

[patent ivy]

Ah okay

[storm jungle]

Basically all your retinue members can stay with you

its down to you to dismiss them or get rid of them during story events

[queen laurel]

I can't wait to recruit the space marine even though he is a space wolf he is likable

[storm jungle]

I tried recruiting him and gave up

its a very boring process lmao

[drifting jacinth]

The eisenhorn novels ||mostly||showcase that well imo

[green loom]

God I can't get over how good a precedent rogue trader dete

*sets

[queen laurel]

Shame it's the only multiple tile character that you can have on your group

[storm jungle]

I mean after that

[green loom]

They'll do DLC for a whole

*while

[storm jungle]

Yeah

[green loom]

That's no question

[queen laurel]

Ork are one of the most prominent ones

[storm jungle]

after the game runs its course then they'll deffo move ot other fantasy flight 40k titles.

[green loom]

It was their MO for Kingmaker and Wrath

[queen laurel]

There is an ork skull in your table and there is literally an section of them in the map that is crossed off

[summer mural]

yeah but afaik, inquisitors squabble but dont get into open conflict with each other , it seems strange that theres a bunch of inquisitors who use forbidden/tainted tech and everyone pretty much cant do anything about it because they have no oversight

[storm jungle]

Oh bro they absolutely do lol

[drifting jacinth]

Oh no they stab eachothers over it

[storm jungle]

Inquisitors are INCREDIBLY petty

they arent a unified organisation

[drifting jacinth]

They mostly use that shit in a hidden way

[green loom]

Dude like

Half the plot of inquisition stories

[queen laurel]

yeah inquisitor will straight up throw a chaos relic on a rogue trader planet if that rogue trader gets a little uppity against them

[green loom]

Is them fighting eachother

[drifting jacinth]

But even then like half of all inquisitors die to another inquisitor iirc

[queen laurel]

they are omega levels of petty

[drifting jacinth]

Either a corrupted one or they get taken behind the shed after using too much xenos/chaos tech

[storm jungle]

Yeah this.

An Inquisitor either

• Dies on the job
• Gets corrupted
• Another Inquisitor kills them

[summer mural]

lmao

[storm jungle]

they have a very thankless job

lol

its by no means "fun"

[rocky gale]

The best inquisitors do all three

[remote blaze]

I'm sure plenty of them retire and live fulfilling lives.

[spring cairn]

don't forget that the more radical you are the more based when it comes to inquisitors

[storm jungle]

Lmao

[normal light]

• He is from Ordo Xenos and get`s shot with Gauss Gun (Dies on the job option)

[spring cairn]

Yes i have a demonhost aboard my ship

[drifting jacinth]

There's a scene in the first cain book where Amberley basically goes "yeah inquisitors waste more time fighting each others than actually doing their job"

[drifting jacinth]

"Wdym I shouldn't be best friend with a chaos cultist in a magic rock"
"He's so polite though look at him"

[summer mural]

I guess Grendyl does have a bunch of convicted psykers running around all over his ship

[drifting jacinth]

-Eisenhorn

[spring cairn]

grendyl is based

[normal light]

Executing Witches is based

[spring cairn]

Throw weaponized deathrow psykers at the chaos incursion until it stops

[remote blaze]

Grendyl is a codename, we've actually been working for a hyperintelligent grot the entire game.

[drifting jacinth]

The healing servitor is the mastermind

[normal light]

Capture unstable psykers to open demon portals everywhere

[summer mural]

Grendyl doesnt exist, Rannick has his corpse hidden in a cupboard somewhere

[storm jungle]

The funniest part about the Inquisition is they fight threats the Imperium itself creates 90% of the time, so its like Sisyphus pushing a boulder up a slope lol

very uhhh

Poetic

[summer mural]

[drifting jacinth]

If the emperor knew about basic work ethic chaos as a faction wouldn't exist

[queen laurel]

me watching the imperium shoot itself with mini gun on its leg over and over again

[storm jungle]

People be like "PSYKERS CREATE ALL THE PROBLEMS"

Planetary governor making everything worse

[remote blaze]

The foot was acting heretical, only option

[normal light]

Me watching orkz dying and dying, dying, diyng.... when they will end?

[normal light]

INDEED

[queen laurel]

brother in christ you treat them like monsters

If you treat them a little bit better then maybe they won't decide to turn into a giant demon portal

i mean they are dangerous but you can use their talents for something

[drifting jacinth]

I mean they don't decide to do it usually

[queen laurel]

Yeah with proper teachings a psyker can be a very deadly weapon on your hands

[normal light]

Or kill, burn them at the stake

[queen laurel]

how about i crack open your shell and eat your crab meat you lung cancer carrying crustacean

[winter vessel]

Psykers are just the “brain fart aneurysm” meme in physical form.

[remote blaze]

They aren't monsters. They're batteries, gotta keep the soul sucking lighthouse turned on.

[normal light]

TRY

I AM ARMED

[patent ivy]

Whats the right angle to view the Psykers from? I mean on one hand it does seem like they are/can be dangerous, and on the other hand it seems most dont cause problems

[normal light]

https://tenor.com/view/step-back-bitch-crab-knife-gif-5128633

[queen laurel]

With what the claws that I will shatter to eat later?

[queen laurel]

Dangerous but useful

Treat them nicely as much as possible but keep in mind that they are still dangerous

[remote blaze]

One unnoticed psyker coming into their power can destroy an entire planet if it goes sideways.

[winter vessel]

One of the many unnamed Xenos races the Deathwatch have to fight

[drifting jacinth]

They're dangerous and the empire doesn't care about human rights
If you want an actually good way of handling it it's basically just send them to space hogwarts until they're good enough to not explode and then let them pick a job

[normal light]

Crustaceans will dominate Western Fringe

[rocky gale]

Astor Sabbathiel has to be my favourite Inquistor, one woman on a crusade to get the chapter Dark Angels and all of it's successors chapters censured.

[patent ivy]

And that's why I can understand why they are feared so much

[patent ivy]

True

[summer mural]

it does seem like sending psykers to psyker school so they can get a grip on their magic juice is a better way

[drifting jacinth]

If the empire was well handled it'd be known by now though

[storm jungle]

"Psykers being prosecuted is what makes the Imperium's problem worse in the first place."

"If they don't get gas-chambered/leashed then they'll make demon portals."

I think overall that both are stupid takes that don't understand what a psyker is. Which is reducing it to what it can do rather than who they are as people

It's fitting that the Imperium just systematically abuses or exterminates them in droves because it's utilitarianism at its finest; they cause problems unless we do X to them so we will do X to them and kill the problems.

My take is that psykers do not inherently cause a risk of daemonic invasion or causing the immaterium to thin and pierce the veil. They are people who live and breathe and have their wants and needs; the fact that some turn to Chaos is not too dissimilar to other humans turning to Chaos. It shows that they have a want or need that cannot be fulfilled with their means and they reach out (or are reached out) by the agents of the Ruinous powers to enact their plan in exchange of said reward

The Imperium causes its own problems in that regard but it's impossible to enure a human mind from the predations of chaos; Governors turn to chaos and they have all they want and need

Even if Psykers lived in utopia, they would be at risk of their wants and needs dooming others through the power they wield

[remote blaze]

Still need someone for the mountain and the throne

[summer mural]

oh yeah

theres the 1000 sacrificed souls

so the custodes can feel happy about polishing their armor

[remote blaze]

Thousand a day probably won't happen on a volounteer basis

[patent ivy]

Ah okay this is a good one

[queen laurel]

yeah like teach them to harness their power for the greater good

[storm jungle]

Its very much the most balanced opinion you will get.

The best outcome would be to teach and train psykers willingly to wield their power responsably but in 40k that's not going to happen and that's okay

[queen laurel]

it lessens the chance of them getting fucked and gives you a powerful companion

[green loom]

Psykers being an inherent problem is only because even if trained they're treated like devilspawn

[summer mural]

how does the wh fantasy empire handle their wizards again

[green loom]

Humans aren't the only psychic species, but they're the only ones who do this

[remote blaze]

They literally are devil spawning points lol

[queen laurel]

Witch hunters are a thing

[storm jungle]

Again, non-psykers can create just as much if not more problems.

It makes no difference.

Psykers just got ez mode on

[queen laurel]

Planetary governor can accidentally spawn 500 portals because he decided that this deal would be fine because it would get him more power

[remote blaze]

All fun and games watching Carl do his mind tricks until something with a beak and seventeen eyes crawls out of his chest.

[storm jungle]

Probably should teach him how to control his powers

shame the Imperium doesn't do that

[outer wave]

Couldnt it be hard mode at times? Especially if you're not able to control your powers, everyone could see and persecute you and those that dont are actively using you

[remote blaze]

They do, for many of them

[drifting jacinth]

Any human can make daemons spawn

[storm jungle]

I meant "ez mode" as in best way to spawn demons

[outer wave]

Ahhh

[storm jungle]

By basically turning them into tortured-batteries yes

[green loom]

You understand the imperium enslaves psykers yeah

[summer mural]

has a grey knight ever been corrupted

[storm jungle]

the Imperium's way of handling psykers is not really good

[remote blaze]

Astropaths and Primaris (the not SM kind) go to schools.

[storm jungle]

Yes

awful ones

this isnt a "solution"

[drifting jacinth]

That's literally as easy as having the right book, an afternoon to waste, and a handful of fellow cultists

[green loom]

Primaris are a powerful type of sanctioned psyker

Ur semantics is wrong

They're also

[remote blaze]

Hey, they're just permanently blinded and given kill-collars.

Better than ending up as a battery imo.

[green loom]

Still slaves

[drifting jacinth]

According to the grey knights, no
According to slaneeshi lore, yes

[green loom]

Who are abused like mad

[summer mural]

lmao

[outer wave]

Slaves with slightly better benefits

[celest dome]

In fairness, the Imperium has no solution, and when they find one they actively avoid it

[storm jungle]

Pretty much

nothing the Imperium does is defendable

its kinda the point a lot of people miss

[celest dome]

Everything it does is offendable

[drifting jacinth]

Long story short a "knight in grey armor" met slaneesh and was instantly corrupted

[summer mural]

thats reasonable

[remote blaze]

It do be like that sometimes

[drifting jacinth]

Was it a grey knight ? It's not technically said but y'know

Probably

[remote blaze]

Those supple crab claws are irresistible to some

[median marsh]

Delicious gray knights

[drifting jacinth]

Tin food

[rocky gale]

Yea they're sent to school, a horrible boarding school where they can't leave and are regularly beaten, kept in isolation, abused constantly, regularly knocked unconscious and subjected to surgeries and implants and executed if they're found to be too powerful or executed if they're found to be too weak.

[queen laurel]

"they're the good guys"

me watching the imperium genocide 5 planets in a row because someone did a little fucky wucky

[summer mural]

someone told me grimnar went to a meeting and ended up bisecting a grey knight in half , with his beloved khornate axe no less

dunno if thats true

[drifting jacinth]

Yeah but the grey knights shot first so it was deserved

[remote blaze]

All I'm hearing is that the Imperium is gracous enough to provide them with food and shelter while helping them wield their Emperor granted might.

Top tier.

[celest dome]

Warmaid 40k would be a superior setting
Also as of today I'm on holyday till the 27th and won't be able to play DT from tomorrow till that day

[drifting jacinth]

And a space wolf captain being better in melee than a grey knight is reasonable imo

[summer mural]

well sure, its just the principle of it thats funny

imperium in a nutshell

[plush mason]

i have given up trying to find the logic in the "imperium are the good guys" stuff. there just isnt any

[remote blaze]

Gonna have to map that one out

[queen laurel]

agreed

[rocky gale]

On Holyday

[drifting jacinth]

The empire is a galaxy sized humans right violation on a good day
On a bad day it's a genocide factory

[plush mason]

its more the fact he was able to sprint in terminator armor that was the shocking bit

[patent ivy]

Imperium as a gov't/ruling force just seems like crabs in a bucket

[drifting jacinth]

That's pretty common to anyone who's been wearing termie armor for 100+ years, they get easier with practice

[patent ivy]

Wants the best for humanity while preventing it from achieving that

[plush mason]

yeah because it never knew what was actually best for humanity

[summer mural]

is it definitive that a marine in a terminator armor cant do clean barrel rolls

[drifting jacinth]

Abbadon fights like he's not wearing armor at all, for exemple

[remote blaze]

He's on the juice

[drifting jacinth]

They're clunky but you can get used to it

[plush mason]

and most marines dont ware termi armor for that long

a lot of chapters full on dont have any

[summer mural]

because it just presents this funny image with terminators in lightning claws, since they cant exactly sprint but are mobile, so does a marine in his rookie terminator outing just stand there like a pillar and flail his arms around like a madman to hit something with lightning claws

[drifting jacinth]

Yeah csm are mentioned as being usually better at wearing termie armor for that very reason

[plush mason]

yeah

[rocky gale]

Speaking of Terminator armour and while Astor is on my mind

[queen laurel]

Wasn't there also literally khorne terminators that are just stuck in their armor and can't move

[drifting jacinth]

I'd assume space marines in termie armor are never "rookies" they probably spend a few months in it training at least

[dire apex]

The reason he won that fight wasn’t because he was a space wolf or anything, it’s was because that guy specifically is one of the best melee fighters in 40k and wields a massive demon axe

[queen laurel]

Oh wait no get out of it

The red butchers if i remember

[drifting jacinth]

Basically all csm are so mutated in their armor they can't undress

Cult marines, at least

[queen laurel]

Yeah and obliterators are literally a thing too

Those things are walking weapons platforms

[drifting jacinth]

Yea but that's a bit of a special case

[remote blaze]

There's a whole ass book about her now.

[plush mason]

its like the chaos warriors from fantasy. they are literally fused to their armor in some way

[drifting jacinth]

Yep

Nurgle marines grow into it in a gross way, khorn marines are so juiced up they can't remove it cause of the muscles, and the rest get like
horns that keep that shit bolted on

[queen laurel]

So you're telling me i can exploit that by trapping them in a room without a bathroom?

[summer mural]

have the necrons and tyranids ever fought

[drifting jacinth]

Yes, both tend to dislike it

[queen laurel]

Yep and necrons would win

[summer mural]

fighting each other?

[remote blaze]

Nurglites are into that

[queen laurel]

They don't provide anything and they destroy biomass

[plush mason]

no because if its like the fantasy ones they dont need to use the bathroom ever

[drifting jacinth]

Nothing to eat on a necron but the tyranids tend to pretty easily win the numbers game and fuck over the reanimation

[summer mural]

lmao

[queen laurel]

Necrons don't provide biomass and their weapons destroy atom on a molecular level

[dire apex]

See: the end of Astartes

[queen laurel]

So it completely obliterates the biomass

[plush mason]

SM armor isnt magnetic because its made out of ceramite which is literally just super ballistic ceramic

[summer mural]

nids and necrons seem like the toughest baddies

"baddies"

[remote blaze]

Orks is best

[drifting jacinth]

Necrons' metal is probably made out of at least some level of iron and shit and I'd assume the tyranids need some of that though

[remote blaze]

Necrodermis, it's toxic to nids

Toxic to Kroot as well

[drifting jacinth]

They do have metalic body parts though, like the sinew coils

[plush mason]

true

[queen laurel]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiu0722-pGDAxWXVmwGHWlQAWwQFnoECBwQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwh40k.lexicanum.com%2Fwiki%2FCelestial_Orrery&usg=AOvVaw18b35iEkZrYs4dlCzZDieG&opi=89978449

The necrons have that

[drifting jacinth]

If only tyranids could adapt to toxins :(

[queen laurel]

Read that weapon and you will understand how dangerous these guys are

[plush mason]

but not all metal is magnetic

[drifting jacinth]

Me flying over the iron hands ship with a comically large magnet and getting a small hundred of space marines :

[remote blaze]

Confiscating their arms lol

[drifting jacinth]

It's not a weapon it's a conversation starter
||Also, all species have an exterminatus equivalent, it's not really unique||

[queen laurel]

This thing creates supernovas because you interacted with it

[remote blaze]

Necrons can disappear stars, Dark Eldar can explode stars, Imperium cam melt planets, Nids can eat planets, etc.

[queen laurel]

I don't think an exterminatus is close to that

[drifting jacinth]

The empire can deffo fuck over stars

[plush mason]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/i0gWgsECXqw?feature=share this honestly sums up just how stupidly vage 40k lore can be

[drifting jacinth]

200%

A throwaway line in a codex can shape the entire balance of power of the universe if you think about it for 5 seconds

It's annoying

[remote blaze]

Rogal Dorn is still alive and only has one hand

Rogal Dorn died fighting chaos berserkers

Both are still technically true I believe.

[summer mural]

in b4 he gets his hand replaced with his daddys lightning claw

[median marsh]

schrodingers dorn

[remote blaze]

End of the Siege will clarify that I hope.

Come on DreadKhan!

[plush mason]

dont the chaptermasters of the fists carve their name into his hand when they take up the post?

[remote blaze]

That's how it used to be, but there's been a ton happening on the Phalanx in recent times and not a word of a giant dismembered arm anywhere.

[summer mural]

afaik his hand is also still kept like their number one treasure on the phalanx

but dorn does seem like the type to just leave it lying there

[drifting jacinth]

"You guys did what with my hand
bro statis fields exist I could have grafted that shit back on :|"

[summer mural]

theyve been on a trend of giving returned primarchs the emperors personal weapons iirc

[remote blaze]

Encased in amber or somesuch.

All I can think of is that hot dog in epoxy.

[summer mural]

so I assume hes just gonna get the dads lightning claws at some point in lieu of his hand

lion has the shield I think

[remote blaze]

Robert has the sword as well

[summer mural]

yeah

[remote blaze]

Fealty might as well be counted as one. Don't think a lot of swords are left in sub dimensions by chance.

[plush mason]

did he pull Fealty out of a stone?

[summer mural]

doesnt somebody have the spear as well

dont recall

[plush mason]

the emperor had a spear?

[summer mural]

polearm/spear

not exactly one he used personally I think, but the apollonian and dionysian spear is what im referring to

two spears, 1 was with valdor

[remote blaze]

Two spears. Valdor has one, Russ the other

Had, not sure if he left it with the kids

Two spears, a shield and potentially three swords.

Emperor is handing out Sanguinala presents.

[celest dome]

Russ iirc

[summer mural]

ye

still funny to picture the cm of the space wolves fighting with a glowing polearm

[celest dome]

For the relics that are up to grabs are the Claw, the Bolter, 2 Swords, and a spear iirc

[summer mural]

oh yeah theres a bolter too

[celest dome]

Still hate the lore bit about the Bolter being an invention of the Emperor

[summer mural]

all the mans missing is his standard issue sapper shovel

[remote blaze]

Russ' spear is still at the Fang. Forgot they used it on Magnus.

[summer mural]

has anyone tried surrounding magnus with just all the culexes

[remote blaze]

Enough of them could potentially bugger him proper in theory.

Don't think they've ever tried a null swarm tactic on a traitor Primarch though. Far too logical a solution for 40k

Much more sense to have all the Grey Knights get in a big pile and die until they leave.

[green loom]

High persuasion is very funny in RT

[median marsh]

when he got attacked by sisters of silence his powers diminished but didnt vanish entirely

[remote blaze]

But what about an amount of Sisters?

If we get 300 SoS and form them into a deathball, could we in theory use a catapult to banish Angron?

[spring cairn]

the null canon

it shoots living ammunition

blanks

[remote blaze]

I love it, email GW

[median marsh]

i think it depends entirely on the psyker, the stronger one is the less affected they are

like sisters didnt affect emps or malcador iirc in any way

[wintry scarab]

Whats the difference between a stub gun and a auto gun?

[normal light]

there is none

Only that stub gun is pistol

and auto gun is assault rifle

[queen laurel]

It's just classifications but fundamentally speaking their basically normal weapons

[wintry scarab]

But you can have stub rifles and autopistols?

[normal light]

yes

They are basically ballistic weapons

[queen laurel]

yeah what the crustacean said

[normal light]

Just like it`s them being called Stub

and Auto mostly means they are fully automatic or single/double action, semi-automatic

And they are all Stub Weapons

[celest dome]

Caseless vs cased ammo depending on the edition

[coarse pumice]

hmm, assassin or bounty hunter

[remote blaze]

Bounty Hunter that does assassinations on the weekend. Don't limit yourself.

[queen laurel]

Assassin if you want big damage

Bounty hunters are good if you want to focus multiple priority targets

An assassin with the right equipment and build could absolutely dumpster a space marine in a single shot

[remote blaze]

Vindicare

[plush mason]

so cool his mechadendrites actually show up as you pick them

[queen laurel]

Pasqual is goated

[plush mason]

yes he is

[remote blaze]

Seeing a lot of flesh there, need to fix that

[arctic talon]

He’s young smh

Only a few decades into his time in the cult mechanicus

And he’s a magos

[queen laurel]

i love that a few decades is pretty young for a tech priest

[arctic talon]

He’s a progidy lol

Few decades range from like 20-80 years lol

[queen laurel]

Bro the introduction cutscene alone sold me

decided to cast explode the machine

That's when I decided that this guy is a permanent party member

[arctic talon]

Magos Explorator balling

[remote blaze]

Magos with two human hands? Scandalous.

[arctic talon]

He’s going to beat you to death fr fr

[queen laurel]

These mechanical hands are rated for everyone

[coarse pumice]

is that going from Operative -> Assassin / Bounty Hunter?

[dusk patrol]

Definitely doesn’t have some Necron or heretical AI inside him

[dusk patrol]

Assassin is better imo

Works well for his ability to dual wield two different two handed weapons too

[coarse pumice]

what about for your RT?

I assume Assassin for Pasq?

[coarse pumice]

I think I’ve spent 60% of my game time on levelling up screens

[dusk patrol]

What class did you do for RT?

[warm notch]

Zola's new journal is so funny

All I can imagine is a Zola soyjack crying in front of Chad Rannick

[north sluice]

What would be a good name for Rogue Trader armies in 40k, if there was a new army book tomorrow that covers the private armies of the Rogue Traders, Adeptus something

[vale fjord]

NOOO you can't just terminate this mission!! We're so close on getting wolfer!!!

No.

[storm jungle]

NO RANNICK DONT DISCONNECT ME FROM THE DISCORD VOICE CHAT-

[vale fjord]

Someone quick make the soyjack v chad meme

[storm jungle]

Rogue Traders dont have a High Gothic name

it would be just Rogue Trader™️

[crude yarrow]

and their armies would be comprised of whatever the could grab from other orders

[north sluice]

There's a necessity for a new name for Rogue Trader's personal armies, because there's overlap with the WH40k first edition so you don't wanna confuse people that way

[storm jungle]

I mean nobody gets confused though

Rogue Trader was like... 30 years ago now?

[green loom]

Rogues Traderus

[storm jungle]

When people think of rogue trader this is what they imagine

or currently in this era, the game lol

[crude yarrow]

what could they be mistaken for?

[vale fjord]

Pirates

[north sluice]

So what happens now if there's a new Army book also called Warhammer 40k Rogue Trader, not to be confused with the Rogue Trader RPG rulebook, nor the Rogue Trader first edition of 40k

[storm jungle]

Oh boy, let me take you on a trip

the Imperial Guard RPG book is called Only War like how the setting has Only War

the Chaos RPG book is called Black Crusade, like how the chaos marines wage Black Crusades

The Deathwatch game is named after the Deathwatch Marines, the Chapter

Aeronautica Imperials the plane game is named after the Imperium's flight-orgnaisation Aeronautica Imperialis

You get my point?

[green loom]

Space marine, not to be confused with space marine(the unit), or space marine(the game)

[north sluice]

If they were all books simultaneously, you'd have a point

[green loom]

This book was 30 years ago lol

[storm jungle]

^

GW does this constantly

its not a big deal

[crisp heath]

I don't see the issue here yeah

[storm jungle]

Like I WILL agree its fucking dumb.

but nobody cares

you just get used to it

Necromunda the game is named after Necromunda the planet, people can make the difference out.

[crisp heath]

I could see GW giving Rogue Trader a new name though so they can copyright it

Astra Militarum moment

[storm jungle]

Yeah that might be a good case

[crystal forum]

what if they call it games workshop

[storm jungle]

Get out.

[green loom]

Uhh they do have a name I think

I can't remember

[storm jungle]

Im pretty sure they don't

[green loom]

Also I just got ||the space wolf||
And fuck me, his stats

[storm jungle]

LOL

[crystal forum]

speaking of which i just ended chapter 1

that was the hardest thing i've ever done

[crisp heath]

I am suffering from a horrific scrap shortage and being hounded by elves

[north sluice]

I even spent a few days on Hero Forge prototyping the Privateers of a Rogue Trader's personal army, I'd totally buy Imperium Privateers

[storm jungle]

Yeah but you made a rookie mistake

you cant copyright that name

[vale fjord]

[storm jungle]

gotta think like a soulless corporation

butcher some latin

[vale fjord]

Just call it space pirate

[outer wave]

How is Black Crusade as a TTRPG?

[green loom]

Dilara could you answer a quick question for me

[storm jungle]

Whats up

[crisp heath]

Princeps Mercantalis

[storm jungle]

^ see

they get it lol

[crisp heath]

hire me GW

[green loom]

||where is Heinrix||

[remote blaze]

Void Marauders

[storm jungle]

Its fun but chaos marines kinda ruin the game if one of your players play as one

[outer wave]

Ah gotcha

[storm jungle]

yeah its unbalanced LOL

[outer wave]

I assume they're easy mode

[storm jungle]

pretty much

it ruins the fun of the game

especially if you got a bad GM

[remote blaze]

What if I find ruining fun to be fun?

[storm jungle]

Then you get kicked out

[remote blaze]

I crash birthday parties for a thrill

[outer wave]

Just give oppurtunities to betray and take down the astartes, and make said astartes kind of a prick NPC

[remote blaze]

Just gonna fun shame me like that? Wow.

[storm jungle]

||In Commorragh? Wander around the streets and do quests, you will eventually just literally find your companions on streets, if you cant just google around, thats how I find the last few||

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats usually the way to do it

[crisp heath]

Can I ask, just because I'm curious. Why do they ruin the game?

[north sluice]

Void Guard

[green loom]

He's the last one I need

[crisp heath]

I've never played

[green loom]

Take game with cultists
Add marine that can trivially kill all of them

I assume anyway

[storm jungle]

^

Basically imagine just playing as a guardsman team in Only War

[crisp heath]

Ahh well fair enough

[storm jungle]

and some loyalist marine shows up and steals all your kills in a game

and you literally get to do nothing

thats boring

Space Marine characters in general usually should either be relegated to NPC roles or have an actual purpose in your band instead of being OP/Broken specced mary sue members.

[outer wave]

Okay but consider this: you play them up to being the absolute stereotypically worst kind of astartes who then, partway through, dies pathetically and you can ditch his ass

[remote blaze]

Having been in irl war I can tell you 100% I would not be bored by that occurance. Quite the reverse.

[storm jungle]

Yeah but this isn't IRL war, this is fiction.

people dont like their thunder being stolen

[outer wave]

Sotlen

[twilit musk]

Fire warrior made me fear chaos space marines they did them so well

[storm jungle]

That is also a common tactic so I agree

[outer wave]

Hell yeah

[remote blaze]

Fire Warrior was a fever dream

[north sluice]

Although that just sounds like Bank Guards heh

[storm jungle]

rogue traders are merchants

so it fits

[north sluice]

40k Merchant Marine

[green loom]

Having this guy in my party is goofy as fuck holy

[north sluice]

No not that kind of Marine

[crisp heath]

My guy, not to question your experience, but as far as im aware there literally hasn't been a war on par with what we see in 40k since WW2 basically, when I believe we last used trench warfare. Lol, in today's world, we don't really see war like we see in 40k. It's usually far smaller engagements and long range bombardments. Now, imagine it's D-day, you're charging up the beach, your brothers and sisters getting cut down left and right, and all of a sudden some glorious demi god in the same armor the tank's wearing walks past you being shot by every round imaginable and they just bounce off. With a single swing of his arm he takes out 5 nazi's with a massive sword, raising his other lays out a volley of hate that puts down 100 more. Meanwhile you're still trying to pull your boots through the mud

Lol idk if I'd be happy he was there, or pissed that they sent me when they had this fucker lol

[outer wave]

Not to go 'erm acktually' but Ukraine is probably the closest thing to what we're getting in 40k right now

Fucked thought but yeah

[crisp heath]

You'd be right ish. Except for its still fairly small engagements

[storm jungle]

Yeah lets not get into that

IRL politics and all

[outer wave]

Mhm I wont

[normal light]

https://tenor.com/view/slowly-turning-head-turning-head-turning-smiling-creepy-smile-gif-21719156

[outer wave]

When the Doug Walker's in

[dusk patrol]

People who don't have the reading comprehension of a gnat and who are actually gonna engage with it won't be confused because different factions and groups can have multiple things built around them.

[north sluice]

AKA Internet search engines

[dusk patrol]

"Rogue Trader FFG Rpg"

"Rogue Trader CRPG"

[remote blaze]

Actually the scale of the majority of battle sequences in 40k pales in comparison to most real engagements.

Outside of a few instances youre looking at relatively small scale fights, what makes them grand are the figures and the setting.

Right now Ukraine has a thousand mile front complete with zombie charges and spearhead assaults, bit thiccer than a squad of astartes clearing a few hundred goons.

[storm jungle]

I mean they do have a point

the thing is though its still easily navigatable

[dusk patrol]

I've actually had to look up stuff for both recently and I didn't have much issue, and I expected to.

[storm jungle]

Give it a few weeks 💀

[crisp heath]

Literal whole world's undergo war in 40k... on some planets, the term Front no longer even has meaning, as everywhere is under war

[dusk patrol]

There's definitely fronts.

[storm jungle]

Let's not compare 40k stuff to Ukraine please.

[crisp heath]

On some planets, I said.

Not trying to at all

[storm jungle]

Its just in poor taste is what im saying

[crisp heath]

I agree

[dusk patrol]

Even on world scale conflicts theres still gonna be front and parts controlled by different factions.

Its not a free for all.

[crisp heath]

Actually, that entirely depends. Look at Vietnam and guerilla warfare

[dusk patrol]

Necromunda is damn near close to a free for all a lot of times and it still had divisions and stuff.

[dusk patrol]

Geurilla Warfare still means theres fronts.

[remote blaze]

Easy to say "planet of war" but few times have they actually sat down and depicted it.

The Siege and the Cadian line outside of Krav are great examples of mass scale battle, but those aren't thrown out a lot.

[crisp heath]

Fronts can exist and have little to to no meaning

[dusk patrol]

The enemy being within your lines still means theres fronts.

[crisp heath]

This is true

They have done little to depict it

But we know it occurs

[dusk patrol]

If anything 40k tends to overdo how often worlds would end up in large sieges and battlelines and stuff cause its more fun to read about.

[crisp heath]

This is also true

[dusk patrol]

But there's not a lot of actually planetary wars.

Siege of Terra was a big deal for a reason.

[remote blaze]

Imo the best example they ever gave of planet scale war was the Siege of Vraks

[dusk patrol]

Same with Cadia.

Vraks wasn't planet scale.

Its one city.

[crisp heath]

Those were so major because of their implications, not because they were planetary wars

[storm jungle]

thats because Imperial Armor tries to """realistically""" display what kind of nightmarish sequence of events would be for a campaign in 40k.

[crisp heath]

Cadia because of what happened after

[storm jungle]

others not so much, hence why its usually planetary

[crisp heath]

Terra because it's fucking TERRA lol

[remote blaze]

Siege itself was the better part of a continent, but it was the focus of the full scale of both forces. I'd consider it planetary.

[storm jungle]

its sole focus was basically the Palace

which is also the size of a continent and a half so lol

[remote blaze]

The seventy thousand defensive lines, then the palace

[storm jungle]

so yes the Palace

thats all a part of it

[dusk patrol]

My point is we don't see many true planetary wars in the setting, they even comment on this in some books.

Often battles for planets more take place within certain areas.

[remote blaze]

Don't have to take an entire planet, just the power base

[dusk patrol]

Ok but its not planetary is the point.

[remote blaze]

Unless it's the spicy eldar, then they take the planet.

[desert dust]

I thought the palace was like half of Russia down to India and china

So completely massive

[dusk patrol]

Its in the Himalayas.

We don't know exactly where everything is though perfectly.

[desert dust]

Actually now that I think about it

[dusk patrol]

It is massive though.

[desert dust]

The earth has no water

[remote blaze]

The "Palace" is the full compound. The actual Sanctum is a fraction behind Eternity Gate

[desert dust]

No sea

[dusk patrol]

It has water its just not in the oceans.

They have to import some but its mostly just, recycled and what not.

[remote blaze]

Last ocean on earth was stolen. It's an entertaining story bit, look it up.

[storm jungle]

This is a good assumption/close depiciton of it

[dusk patrol]

Its in the people.

[storm jungle]

the "core" of it is in the himalayas

[remote blaze]

That's awesome

[crisp heath]

Oh OK fair lol. I agree. Again, they've not done enough to actually depict the state of affairs throughout the galaxy. We will never see a map of the state of war, which planets are taken, which are in battle, supply chains, so on. We will never get the wider operational map of the Imperium. So we go off the information we know. We know tyranids devour whole world's. We know orcs destroy everything. We know of the vastness of every military, and we have some few examples of planetary conflicts, though not many. Meaning, just like the fermi paradox, if there's some, there must be more amongst the stars. If some Worlds are burned, more must be burning as well.

[desert dust]

So really everything that we see now is like 1000m up so basically you got the sea level basement dwellers and people on land and then the palace mountains

[dusk patrol]

Its pretty vast.

This was during the heresy.

[remote blaze]

An actual depiction of an orbital plate? I swoon.