40k-lore-chat

[patent ivy]

Ain't she a kid too

[green loom]

She's called a kid

[patent ivy]

Oh okay

[green loom]

But I think it's more symbolic or something stupid

But yeah you'll uh

Hear about her antics soon

(it's not pretty)

[queen laurel]

She has a warped sense of view and understanding of people

the fact that she is a navigator and also the fact that she has been quite spoiled in her life

[green loom]

||okay but she still passively forces people to kill themselves and feels absolutely no remorse over it lol||

[queen laurel]

Yeah this is warhammer that is the unfortunate part of liking a noble

checking her chart she is dogmatic too

[patent ivy]

Did you guys ||kill the defective servitors||?

[queen laurel]

as a Iconoclast yes

[patent ivy]

Ok same

I'm doing an Iconoclast run

[green loom]

Iconoclast/dogma is a pretty thematic not too comically insane imperial run

Can't wait to do heretic though

[soft thunder]

Are power greatswords a thing in 40k? is Rinda Karnak using a special sword of any kind?

[queen laurel]

claymores are

power claymores are a thing

But yes you can make a custom power great sword but with the Rinda I'm pretty sure it's just a power sword

[green loom]

Power anything is a thing

The shape of the weapon doesn't really matter as much as the power... field... thing

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[soft thunder]

gotcha

[thick cedar]

Hey I'm looking for what I suspect would be Tzeench heresy, what would I look for and more specifically how would one go about making an offering to Tzeench for power

[green loom]

You draw some fancy runes

Get a dubiously consenting sacrifice

Chant some shit about the grand design

And you split open his chest

Specific details vary, but sacrifice is stupid common

[patent ivy]

Ok so her long nails, is that like skin or something?

I feel like those could be trimmed if they are just regular nails

[green loom]

Precision itching tools

[patent ivy]

Lol

I'm trying to be as nice/forgiving as possible during dialogue, but sometimes I like to pick the mean choices lol

Just told the Pilot Raquel to name her first kid after me for ||saving her husband or whatever||

[crisp heath]

I'm using a character ai out of boredom of hadron and she knows of necromorphs

[patent ivy]

Curious

[crisp heath]

Dead space canon to 40k? I think so

[patent ivy]

Honestly I could see it fitting in

Markers are from Chaos gods

[crisp heath]

I mean almost

They also corrupt via a signal

Plus necromorphs are extremely durable

[plush mason]

crazy to think that this is a small ship lol

[median marsh]

40k loves its giga scale

I remember when star wars had an enormous ship and it was described how its size made it more of an problem

Meanwhile 40k has ships with their own micronations on them

[queen laurel]

Yeah being literally born in that ship makes you into a different type of human

[plush mason]

voidborn

and over time the voidborn will produce the long shanks abhumans

[median marsh]

Imperiums ship are all sorts of wack

"yeah we reload out macro cannons by hand, what of it"

[snow fern]

||Her brother||

[plush mason]

there are 27k people on board just my ship i dont want to know the crew complement of the largest ones

[snow fern]

10 probably

[plush mason]

lol

[crisp heath]

Wait is that guy really her brother. Why did she say they were engaged

[plush mason]

they are

[queen laurel]

Yeah you know the classic justified selective choosing of genes

[plush mason]

i dont think they are brother and sister. might just be tho given 40k

[storm jungle]

If it makes you feel better

theres people in 40k that name their kids after Leman Russ tanks or Guard vehicles

[median marsh]

"How was school today, stygies VII leman Russ?"

[queen laurel]

Hey Dilara can you tell me what I did to deserve this

[median marsh]

I speed dialed tzeentch to pull a prank on you

[median marsh]

[queen laurel]

no Ai

[median marsh]

Man these ai generations will always be same garbage won't they

[queen laurel]

it's one of the server rules

[median marsh]

I think we are one of like, 6 people total who actually read rules

[queen laurel]

Probably

[plush mason]

||clearly you didnt pray to the god emperor hard enough. or maybe too hard||

[queen laurel]

All right that's it i'm pouring salt in the golden throne

[plush mason]

lol

[dense salmon]

It does seem weird to me that rannick would pass up an opportunity to assassinate the 6th command so flagrantly

[plush mason]

not having a prow lance is gona be intersting

[dense salmon]

His whole argument is if we fail, moebian 6th morale will skyrocket

[median marsh]

I think he doesn't like how haphazardly it's planned, even though he absolutely refuses to hear Zola out

On that note Zola says she's acting with Grendyls permission

[dense salmon]

Zola has some personal vendetta with wolfer

I think this might be what the psyker alludes to when they say she's hiding something without realizing

[median marsh]

Her plan is flawed BUT, the gains from success are immense

If Rinda was captured it would be an even bigger win than just having them both dead

Both from Intel and morale viewpoints

"huh? Our champion got captured by meat?!"

[green loom]

He doesn't like it because it's a trap we're walking straight into

[queen laurel]

Wolfer finding out that two of his greatest generals got beaten by semi functioning semi sentient humans is going to be funny

[dense salmon]

He mentions morale being his first priority in the mission comms

That the inquisition has worked hard to lower 6th morale

Which is why he's so worried about the rejects dying

[green loom]

Ye, and wolfer wouldn't shut up about us walking into an ambush

[dense salmon]

Not because they aren't disposable, but because their deaths would be used as propaganda

[median marsh]

Him calling us disposable was lowkey funny when I heard it

"Well yeah, you guys are basically dead meat but I am graciously saving you" vibe

hes not wrong

[dense salmon]

What do you think zola's connection to wolfer is?

[median marsh]

The most like, basic one we have is "He was my charge and I let him slip away"

since his escape happened under her watch and that had to affect her

She hasn't really given us any indication of anything else even in her journal aside from her absolutely loathing them all

I'm thinking there will be more in the future

from her accounts Wolfer is really good at hiding

I have a feeling she underestimates him because how he uses Karnaks as proxies of himself

Another angle at Zola and Wolfer could be mayhaps her desire to prove herself to Grendyl

Remember, Grendyl wanted Wolfer personally, which to me seemed strange considering there were other captains

And Zola probably feels indebted to Grendyl for lifting her out of the squalor of her previous life

There is still the unseen hand of Dreg leadership

I'm convinced that Wolfer in the long run is still a pawn, even in his status

[normal light]

Every Chaos Follower is a pawn

And every Servant of The False Emperor is also a pawn

[median marsh]

Yes but we're talking the Moebians not chaos as a whole

Wolfer and crew didn't just randomly flip on their own

Flashbacks to lord Bael and Sindri

That's the kind of deal I mean

[green loom]

That's 100% an angle since he got away under her watch

[median marsh]

(for those who haven't played dawn of war, Sindri was a chaos sorcerer who manipulated a chaos lord into getting his goal)

[green loom]

We discussed last night that Wolfer could have been used for imperial propaganda broadcasts way back

And that he may have been a role model/hero to Zola

[queen laurel]

SINDRI, SINDRI!!!!

[median marsh]

That's very plausible, considering the 6th are portrayed as the best Atoma had

[queen laurel]

Man that was one of the greatest screams of betrayal

[median marsh]

SSIIIINDRIII

[green loom]

And we see that Wolfer is very fond of spectacle/propaganda

[median marsh]

Yup

[green loom]

So I'm kinda liking the "former hero of the imperium" angle

[velvet imp]

I am curious, are the other 2 ships for Rogue trader to choose from DLC content or we unlock them through new game after beating our first playthrough?

[median marsh]

for someone so secretive he really does like his grandeur

[queen laurel]

He straight up hacks into the vox just to smack talk your team

And then he goes silent when you smack his captain silly

[median marsh]

[normal light]

They definitly not

also about this

[median marsh]

"THERE'S ONLY 4 OF THEM, HOW ARE THEY NOT DEAD"

[green loom]

We know their high command also went traitor

[normal light]

Moebian 6th might launch retaliation strikes either trying to decapitate Loyalist Command or bring havoc to upper Hive

[median marsh]

There's someone in the hive population, pretty high up I believe, that's working with the traitors

[green loom]

Some of the nobility, it's pretty plain

[median marsh]

High up because I'd say prismata crystals sound like a very expensive payment

[crisp heath]

One is a beta reward, the other is DLC

[median marsh]

Couldn't find any description on them

[green loom]

Nobles are the most obvious angle

[median marsh]

We did hear that there's growing discontent with Lord Margrave

[normal light]

So, nobles may get into dispute

and 6th could use it

[velvet imp]

This is such a good accessory in Rogue Trader for Bolter and Bolt pistols builds. Not so much for Heavy Bolters due to their lower single shot damage but Heavy Bolters are more for their Burst fire rather than single shot attacks.

and once you activate Soldier Heroic action, it is just murder fest from there

[plush mason]

it turns Argenta into a god of death

[queen laurel]

Shame that thing won't help me with this thing

[velvet imp]

I have my Argenta as a flamer unit to deal with large groups of weaker mobs and later Heavy Flamer once I progress the Church faction and obtain enough profit

my character ends up being the Bolter and melee weapon/bolt pistol user

[queen laurel]

huh i've been hoarding too much med kits huh

And it's the red one too

[verbal path]

But what if you neeed them for the next fight. Better to save.

[median marsh]

"this resource is rare, better make sure you make it count"
"Never use it and hoard for all eternity, got it"
"Wait no-"
"All. Eternity."

[queen laurel]

yeah i'm guilty of that

[queen laurel]

My brother in Christ what I'm fighting right now needs all of the Med kits I have

[wet sandal]

Red medkits aren't even that rare though

[verbal path]

BUT WHAT IF YOU NEED IT LATER

[queen laurel]

Compared to the normal Med kit they are pretty decently rare enough but then again I have a planet that makes these things

[summer mural]

what would be a good faction for new enemy types if they added it in

tyranids?

[median marsh]

Another chaos cult

Nids are an entirely different scale of threat than a cult/regiment, a single ship has no chance against them

Potentially GSC can work

[verbal path]

Goliath truck = GSC confirmed

[median marsh]

Obligatory

I don't really think we'll be getting a whole new faction any time in forseeable future, nor do they really need to, there's plenty of material to add to scabs and dregs

[verbal path]

But

truck

[twilit musk]

where’s that one cursed bike from the new map

someone screenshot it

looked like something tony stark would drive out of that cave

[green loom]

NOOOOO THE NAVIGATOR CHIN

[tulip sand]

So if 40k is supposed to be satire of cold war britain

Cadia = northern ireland
Ogryns = ppl from Birmingham
And so on

So are catachans Aussies, gurkhas, or canadians?

[green loom]

40k is a huge mishmash of random garbage

[crisp heath]

My character has a longlas and a sword bigger than her body. She stays on the back line with Yrliet and I headcanon she's flirting the whole time

[tulip sand]

I would say aussie tbh because catachan has hostile flora and fauna whereas gurkhas and canadians just have harsh environments australia is full of things that can very easily kill you

Of course but like

Just to try and relate it

[dense salmon]

Catachans are a product of the time they were created in

The macho post-vietnam action commando archetype

Think Rambo, Predator, Aliens, Apocalypse Now, etc

40k started out as basically parody of popular action and sci-fi at the time of its inception

So from a meta context, catachans are less analogous to any real world military and more analogous to the cultural zeitgeist idea of macho jungle commandos

[normal light]

Remember those guys

[versed ledge]

So...in rogue trader, can we buy servitors?

Also, damn those buggers are tough

[green loom]

Nop

You have an infinite supply of them basically lol

[gray umbra]

you start off rich in rogue trader, the currency system is basically rep

you dont "buy" stuff

with high enough rep, factions basically turn you into an influencer wearing their supreme drip

[green loom]

Profit factor is mostly a gameplay mechanic

But the intent is that you're so rich that the cost of a single item is entirely irrelevant to you

[queen laurel]

I like it it means that i don't have to worry about losing money when i just go for a shopping spree for the things i want

And increasing it is also pretty easy

It's also fun to balance it if i want to lose some of it or earn some more

[green loom]

Nope, works quite well tbh

[queen laurel]

It feels very ego boosting too knowing that you are so god damn rich that you can just take what you want

[green loom]

You have a level of profit
Anything equal to or below it you can just buy

You don't even get money for selling things to the factions, you just get reputation which makes them more willing to sell you better gear

[queen laurel]

I really want those Drusian power armours

Oh fuck

Why is my save not working

Man my rogue trader saves are gone

[median marsh]

Warp tribulation

[queen laurel]

yeah i'm just going to start a new game

i wasn't even able to make a new game till I validated the files

[median marsh]

You ended up dead center of a warp storm with gellar down

[green loom]

It might be the patch that just dropped

[median marsh]

Kinda like how drip channel is having an apocalypse atm

[queen laurel]

ohh yeah definitely

[green loom]

Bad tidings for my save

[queen laurel]

Yeah if I were you validate the files first before opening it

This would be lovely if I can draw shame I can't

[tulip brook]

Go AI drawings

[queen laurel]

Now i might be a scum but i'm not that much of a scum

[coarse pumice]

when's the patch?

[queen laurel]

Literally now

The game got updated now

[tulip brook]

Chatgpt to perfect midjourney prompt for your character 👌

[gaunt sable]

Okay.
I'm at work. And I'm very bored as it's my last day before the holidays. :v

And because of that, I'm going to open up a can of worms and talk about Queer Theory and 40k involving Psykers.

Mind you. I don't think this was intentional....Or maybe it was? (40k started off pretty satirical.)
But I've noticed a lot of interesting parallels over the years.

Your born different then everyone else and this becomes apparent roughly at puberty. But sometimes you know earlier that your different. Or maybe you don't find out for decades. And this effects how everyone sees you and completely upends your life.

Your raised in an hyper religious society that preaches and teaches conformity and how your particular marginalized groups are inherently evil and dangerous to good ordinary folks. And the average person believes this all wholeheartedly and despise or at least distrust you.

Your seen as a threat to society. But if you can be shown to be useful to society you can sort of exist on the margins but sometimes you have exceptional individuals who are able to acquire significant respect and authority, enough that society more or less gives you a pass and many times these individuals persecute others.

Darktide also has Psykers refer to each other as Siblings and form a community based off shared experiences and suffering that ordinary people can't begin to understand.

A handful of novels that have had a bunch of Psykers show them as a bunch of quirky, often flamboyant and sometimes socially awkward weirdos that mostly stick to themselves.
Or struggle and are desperate to fit into groups of 'Normal' people and prove themselves worthy of respect. (And sometimes find it in socially superior groups like the Astartes who lack some of the ideological baggage sometimes...)
Oh and suddenly there are a looooooot more of you showing up and society is freaking the fuck out and panicking about it.

Thoughts?

[queen laurel]

Definitely a bundle of words that can be read

[celest dome]

It is a take

[gaunt sable]

Thaaaank you. :3

[tough haven]

So in rogue trader, what do you have to do to stop the reactor from exploding? just kill all the enemies in the allotted time?

[queen laurel]

The electro priests that are near those things

F*** them up before the reactor explodes

[tough haven]

ah ok

[tulip brook]

It's a super generic backdrop of mages being scrutinized in fantasy. I wouldn't read too much into it but it's a good take.

[gaunt sable]

Oh it definitely is. But it's still interesting that so many stars happen to line up.

[near wasp]

I mean psykers are walking bombs, id be a bit cautious about them

[gaunt sable]

The psychic awakening stuff sorta made it click for me.
Since it mirrors society going, "There aren't many of the 'Gays'." To suddenly.
"Where are they all coming from?"
Cue panicked articles from social conservatives and religious fundies screaming about the end of days.

[gaunt sable]

Shrugs and points to Marvels Mutants.

Also another point is that the danger Psykers represent is not nearly as serious as Imperial propaganda says. (What's that sound like?) And societies maltreatment leads to horrible horrible horrible outcomes.

[near wasp]

The danger they represent????????? They can doom worlds if they give into the whispers

[median marsh]

Yeah a psyker can (unwillingly) become a portal for literal demons

A psykers power varies between individuals, but they still pose a significant threat if not found and properly examined/trained

It's the principle of better safe than sorry

As cruel to them as it is

[spring cairn]

we don't want a repeat of that whole enslaver buisness

[normal light]

So yeah, let’s conduct a witch hunt

[gaunt sable]

That's a vanishingly rare and small percentage of Psykers that can pull that off. And honestly? When's the last time we saw.
"Single Psyker dooms entire planet to Damnation."?

[normal light]

Rarely but I wouldn’t take a risk

Better to get them killed or get them on a Black Ship

[near wasp]

Yeah if somebody had the potential to turn my brain into mush with a thought id be understandibly terrified of them

[gaunt sable]

Also I'll point out that the links aren't perfect but the same could be said of Marvel Mutants that were supposed to be represent marginalized groups.

[normal light]

Still Psykers are way more dangerous

[gaunt sable]

Their 'dangerous' but the danger is generally overstated and over hyped. I can't recall any story where.
"Single Psyker Dooms Entire Planet!"

[normal light]

And still they are capable of mass destruction

And also there were some stories about psychic blasts killing millions

[gaunt sable]

People panic about Psykers, but how often do people panic about Adminstratum officials being able to kill entire regiments or planets because they filed paperwork incorrectly?

[gaunt sable]

Like?

[near wasp]

Cacodominius

[normal light]

Plot of Animation series about Inquisition Explicator

[gaunt sable]

The Alien Cyborg Monstrosity thing of which theirs only one? That only shows up in a single blurb and has never been mentioned ever again?

[normal light]

||The plan was to produce a drug that awakens psychic in normal individual, than kill them and via this achive a massive psychic blast which will sweep out any life in the system||

[near wasp]

Yes and? You asked for an example and that was the first one i thought of

[gaunt sable]

And thaaaaats?

[gaunt sable]

Except.

1. Not a Human Psyker.
2. Not an actual Story. It's a blurb from a codex.

[normal light]

Interrogator Series

[gaunt sable]

Interesting, but I haven't seen it. And the process seems to be artificial and more of a WMD thing.

Not.
"Random Psyker that Awakens in a Hive City wipes out all life on a planet."

[near wasp]

That happened all the time during the age of strife

[tulip brook]

chaos is more insidious than "overstated". a single psyker can unknowingly get influenced by daemons and cause corruption to spread to others, making the warp connection even stronger with each step. it doesn't have to be the catastrophic nuke but just the first point of an avalanche.

[near wasp]

The systems the emperor put in place helps reduce the risk of psykers dooming worlds.

[tulip brook]

not to mention they can actually blow up too

[gaunt sable]

Also to reiterate my point. I'm not saying that Psykers don't pose a risk or danger.
But that the actual threat for overwhelming majority of Psykers is massively over hyped.
We never actually SEE Psykers that strip life from planets because they lost control for a moment.

[near wasp]

And just because they arnt constantly doing that doesnt mean they cant

[normal light]

Psyker being able to read mind and throw lightning bolts

[normal light]

also a plausible target for elimination

[gaunt sable]

Arguably the Imperiums practices make the threat that much worse.
Throwing a bunch of Psykers into an Ultra Max prison for years or decades till a Black Ship arrives probably does more to make them dangerously unstable then anything.

[tulip brook]

even for the most disciplined ones, they still borrow power from a wildly unstable plane with direct connection to multiple hells

[near wasp]

Literal hell in ther ear might be making them unstable

[gaunt sable]

Except we never actually see that happen. I can't recall a single novel where we see a Psyker strip a world of life. Or blow up a hive City or doom an entire planet to Damnation.
It's talked about happening but I'll be damned if we're actually ever given any serious examples.
And we oftentimes see plenty of Unsanctioned Psykers that while more dangerous then usual also aren't out there exploding and killing everyone.

[stark plover]

Psykers are mentally deranged wizards, not world destroyers, that's the difference

[rocky gale]

I mean we don't see that in stories because it's not a very good climax, it's why we only see it in the Blurbs of the Codices and other lore tidbits as something that happens, because if you have a book and suddenly "Then a Psyker got upset and everyone died" it doesn't really make for a great ending.

[near wasp]

THIS

[rocky gale]

If a Psyker supernovas and kills everything, that's the end of the story, well done you just wasted the readers time.

[stark plover]

The only way a psyker can do massive damage to an area is if they peril, and that's unlikely unless the psyker in question is underpressure and uses their warp connection too much for too long

[gaunt sable]

The immaterium, like all other realms of the universe, holds no innate spiritual predilections at all, and the raw, Chaotic energy of the empyrean can be no more hallowed nor corrupt than a given sea wave or breeze. And yet, unlike the ocean or sky, the fabric of the immaterium is inevitably, inextricably shaped by the moral composure of the souls that access it.

And thats coming from a Priest at a Psykana Temple.

‘In the best of cases, the empyrean, accessed by a mind resting at peace within the Emperor’s will, produces wonders unbelievable to behold. In the worst, when given to a mind under torment, that same power takes on another flavour entirely.’

[gaunt sable]

Controversial opinion time. :v
The Codices are flawed and are usually written more as Advertising for this 'Totally cool thing' that frequently will never ever ever be mentioned ever again and doesn't mesh well with stories that we do see.

[normal light]

Psykers’ formidable mental powers channel the raw stuff of the Immaterium – the very essence of daemons and gods. Should their discipline waver for even a moment, they risk a grisly, explosive demise … or worse, possession by the unspeakable entities of the Immaterium.

[near wasp]

Gw has flaws writing in general

[stark plover]

That's the art of tabletop RPGs, you can literally write your own story within the narrative

[normal light]

Straight up from Darktide Class Spotlight

[gaunt sable]

Shrugs
I don't see anything about blowing up hive cities there or dooming worlds.

[normal light]

Shurgs
Guy just basically can be possessed by a demon

[near wasp]

Oh my fucking god, just cause they arnt constantly dooming worlds doesnt mean they arnt a threat. Get your head out of your ass

[normal light]

doesn`t see anything wrong with it

If they don`t doom worlds so much, they ARE STILL A SERIOUS THREAT

[rocky gale]

"‘There are no safe havens within the torrent of the warp, acolyte, because there are no incorruptible fragments of the human soul."

"And while the source substance might be spiritually indifferent, the resulting symbiosis certainly is not."

If you're going to use quotes to support your arguments, make sure to include the parts of the quote which don't.

[normal light]

Them being able to manipulate the warp is one big no no in most cases

[stark plover]

Weirdboys are more of a threat than a normal psyker to be fair

[gaunt sable]

It does. Hence my 'Controversial Opinion' :v
The Codices will do stuff like mention that Super Alien Cyborg Psyker Monster thing that triggered the 'Howling' that wiped out like an entire sector of space and killed 'Billion' of Astropaths.
And was never mentioned again.
Even though the amount of Astropaths killed should have caused a massive collapse of the Imperium given they could never restock that many Astropaths on top of mundane attrition.

[normal light]

Nuh uh

They are comparable to unsanctioned psykers

[gaunt sable]

And it's literally never mentioned anywhere else ever but for that ONE blurb in a timeline bit in one codex from like several editions back.

[near wasp]

I mean its a weapon you can equip to a black templar

[gaunt sable]

I never said they weren't a threat. I did say the threat is over exaggerated by the Imperium.

[stark plover]

Weirdboyz are so stupid and unpredictable that they'd probably cause more destruction to their own ork brotheren than the people they are fighting

[gaunt sable]

Which makes sense for the Imperium to do.

[normal light]

Most orkz do the same

[gaunt sable]

Because they want Planets to turn over all their Psykers for the Imperiums own purposes.

[near wasp]

Better with the imperium than the dark gods

[normal light]

and because you can`t train all the psykers

and eventually someone may go haywire

and doom others

[celest dome]

Most planet will just lynch the Psyker they find if there werent the Black Ships

[gaunt sable]

Yeah. But how much of that is because Psykers are just because their Psykers and how much of it is because the Imperium is a brutal authoritarian state with many planets having shit quality of life?

And who will lock a bunch of Psykers up for years and decades, treat them like garbage.

[normal light]

It`s both

[gaunt sable]

And then put them on the Black Ships which are WORSE.

For a voyage that can last years.

[near wasp]

At least they cant hurt people or spread corruption in the black ships

[normal light]

They are still interacting with literally daemon matter and them being menially unstable makes it only worse

[normal light]

||In Rogue Trader game one psyker revolt and turned Black Ship into literal Nurgle Garden||

[normal light]

Spoilers to RT Game

[gaunt sable]

But the point is you put a bunch of Psykers in a situation where their being pummeled with disorienting stimuli, surrounded by Blanks that cause them anguish, beaten by the guards, are surrounded by hundreds or thousands of other Psykers who are panicking, afraid and in agony, given all sorts drugs and subject to stuff like sleep deprivation?

[near wasp]

Walking bombs, having a blank around is like dipping the fuse in water

[gaunt sable]

And then you get to Terra and are surprised some of them are catatonic or rendered into human wrecks.

[gaunt sable]

And also makes Psykers feel pain, disoriention and discomfort depending on how Blank they are.

[near wasp]

And if they arnt found by black ships they are burned at the stake

At least this way they might prove to be useful

[rocky gale]

The thing is you're right, the way the Imperium treats Psykers makes it worse because the Imperium is awful and it makes everything worse, but that doesn't mean if you just leave them to their own devices everything is sunshine and rainbows and nothing bad happens

[gaunt sable]

And like I said. This trauma is piled on top of the Trauma of being held in detention for emperor knows how long.
And whatever they had to deal with while living in the Imperium. (So a dice roll between major suck or okayish.)

[storm jungle]

Also people forget, you don't have to be a psyker to doom entire sectors and imperial worlds to chaos.

Planetary governors, militarum leaders, priests and other imperial officials do this constantly, power corrupts in all forms, psykers are just one among many of these to showcase the imperium creates its own issues.

Nothing the Imperium does is suppose to be logical or defendable, thats kinda missing the point lol

[gaunt sable]

I also didn't say just leaving them to their own devices was the ideal.

Once again my argument isn't that Psykers are totally safe.

Just that the threat they pose is over exaggerated or a product of the Imperiums maltreatment.

[storm jungle]

Pretty much.

[normal light]

Literal Cardinal Xaphan moment

[storm jungle]

This lol

And yeah most psykers go rogue because of the mistreatment

the Imperium's point is that it will ALWAYS shoot itself in the foot

[gaunt sable]

I mentioned an argument like that earlier. :v

[normal light]

Who cares, if you can put them down in time?

[storm jungle]

[gaunt sable]

An Adminstratum Functionary could do infinitely more damage then a Psyker.

[normal light]

yes but you could deal with Psyker easily and you see Psyker doing harm

with Administratum being mostly unkown till the end

[green loom]

Hello Watcher in the Rain

[gaunt sable]

"Whoops. I accidentally sent a dozen newly founded guard regiments into the biggest meat grinder in the sector and forgot to have food and ammo shipped with them."

[green loom]

Are people saying the imperium is justified in one of it's oppressive functions again

[storm jungle]

CORRECT

[gaunt sable]

That's one example. :v

But 15 Hours is another. :v

[storm jungle]

Reminder that she literally did all that because she could

[gaunt sable]

First time was an accident. :v

[storm jungle]

[gaunt sable]

Everything after was some fucked up serial killer shit.

[storm jungle]

first time

pretty much

instead of knives and physical damage though it was all clipboards and writing

fucking psycho bitch lmao

[green loom]

Someone get me up to speed

[normal light]

The Watcher's main known ability is that it acts as a mirror to the blackest deeds in one's soul: it is drawn to human sins and stalks those who have committed heinous acts against their fellow man. Its physical presence is subtle at first, always just barely out of sight, but it brings with it an inescapable dread. Patient and sadistic in its pursuit, it steadily comes closer, causing paranoia, fear, and madness, It will urge its victim to look at it; if they comply, the victim will be confronted with the full weight of their crimes and their sanity will completely break. The Watcher will then claim its mentally shattered prey.

[queen laurel]

To be fair losing an imperial world because a psyker decided to be edgy and take revenge is a pretty common occurrence

And a good chunk of the time i don't even blame them

[gaunt sable]

I opened up with an argument of.
"Psykers are actually kinda Queer Coded."

[normal light]

Kill and Burn The Witches

[gaunt sable]

Because I'm bored at work.

[near wasp]

Tldr spider was comparing gay people to psykers. Then we replied it wasnt a good comparison since psykers can be actual threats to worlds

[gaunt sable]

Marvel Mutants say hello.

[near wasp]

Idk what that is

Anyways

[gaunt sable]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-tas-spiderman-xmen-x_men-the-xmen-gif-23852251

[green loom]

It's pretty much any group that's actively repressed tbh

[storm jungle]

Idk feels like a good one to me

especially when you consider how homophobic the 40k community is

[green loom]

You come out you get ostracized and sent off to "education"

[storm jungle]

Yeaaaah theres a lot of things in fiction with "you are different than us and need to be corrected" allegories.

[near wasp]

I mean im just irrated that irl politics and shit constantly gets brought up in here. Im here to talk about the grimdark future, not how hilter has one ball

[gaunt sable]

I admit that it's not 1:1 and you always run into the problem of.
"Well these people can blow you up with mind bullets."
But my points are still pretty good.

[green loom]

I mean it's never 1 to 1

[gaunt sable]

And you don't think 40k isn't Political? :v

[green loom]

But the inclusion of "kinda" already takes that into consideration

[storm jungle]

40k is literally political satire

[stark plover]

Goering has two but very small

[storm jungle]

the Imperium is also a parody of failing fascist states and bigots

[celest dome]

Isn't satire inherently supposed to be political ?

Or was it caricature ?

[gaunt sable]

A Brutal horribly mismanaged religiously fundementalist authoritian state that makes horrible short sighted decisions is somehow free of politics? :v

[storm jungle]

Satire can be anything. 40k itself is political

It doesn't directly have to be comedic but 40k usually has that mxied in

[normal light]

Shh don’t tell anyone about this

[rocky gale]

Ahh sorry, I see I misunderstood what the argument was then, I thought you were just saying if you leave Psykers to their own devices nothing will ever go wrong and that the Warp isn't dangerous.

[stark plover]

I mean yeah, satyr (satire) in Greek custom was political humour so there's that, but the definition has changed over thousands of years

[storm jungle]

tho 40k's political message is a lot more simple, aka "Don't be a fucking fascist."

or you know

a racist

lol

[gaunt sable]

There are arguments to be made about the Fascist part. :v
But I minored in political science and like arguing. So I'm biased.

[normal light]

Also “Don’t be a commie”

[queen laurel]

The term casual racism implies that there is competitive racism and I am not going to lose
_ the imperium

[storm jungle]

I feel like when your faction has literal death camps, firing squads, propaganda, brainwashing, genetical purity messages, mass executions, xenophobia among other things its definitely fascist.

[green loom]

https://tenor.com/view/mrbeast-ytpmv-rap-battle-squid-game-squid-game-vs-mrbeast-gif-25491394

[gaunt sable]

It's definitely an Authoritarian, Totalitarian Fuedal shit hole with a Theocracy spot welded to the hip.

[stark plover]

The imperium isn't casual racism, it's rank-based matchmaking

[storm jungle]

Call of Duty Moment.

[gaunt sable]

True. But I meant the actual mechanisms of government.

[normal light]

Also yeah everyone is racist

[gaunt sable]

Also all of those things are present in Non Fascist States.

[green loom]

Even me?

[stark plover]

Including to themselves

[normal light]

💀I meant factions

[stark plover]

The imperium forgot the tau exist because of how much of a joke they are so they aren't racist to them

[gaunt sable]

Gesticulates to the early USSR which was hyper Authoritarian Socialism with a cult of personality.

[near wasp]

You hate the other gods thats discrimination you filthy slanesshi worshiper

[gaunt sable]

Man. That one cannibal colony is something out of 40k

[green loom]

I'll have you know I'm equal opportunity

[near wasp]

Oh no hes a warrior

[gaunt sable]

Look up the Nazino tragedy sometime.

That's something you would expect from a badly written 40k novel.

[normal light]

Gesticulates at Soviet Goverment being antisemitic

[green loom]

Just you wait until I swap to my very gay inquisitor

[normal light]

You don`t need to be a facist

you just need your world view fucked to be racist

[normal light]

But I would argue that USSR isn`t facist state

[vale fjord]

I wonder how shipmistress brahms would feel seeing rejects running around in pirate gear

Considering she is a pirate hersel

[green loom]

Wym that's just her crew

Arr

[stark plover]

Welcome to the imperium of man we got:

Spirit Halloween decoration
80s action heros in a jungle
World war 1 Germans with lasers
British people
Chronically online nerds in robes
Giant men with an IQ of -5
Rations made out of your best friend
And more

[vale fjord]

TRUE

[gaunt sable]

Some State security bozo decides to ship a bunch of political prisoners to sibera to set up agricultural colonies to help stave off famine.
Then add the State Sec being given quotas to fill. So they start randomly grabbing people off the street for anything because Failure to meet the quotas wasn't an option.
Ship the Prisoners to the middle of nowhere with no one knowing to expect an massive influx of people.
Ship them to the middle of nowhere with no tools, supplies, some flour and some armed guards with instructions. "Keep them from leaving we guess."

[vale fjord]

Priests except they don't follow the bible

[normal light]

Rations out of my friends?

Yummy

[gaunt sable]

And within like a few months everyone is eating one another.

[green loom]

Average eastern Europe moment

[normal light]

We also don’t talk about deportation

And labour camps

[stark plover]

I mean technically they were already eating each other before then (Corpsestarch)

[normal light]

And destroying churches

Than establishing your own commie church

With priests having ties with KGD and NKVD

[normal light]

Yeah life is rough out here

[gaunt sable]

No the problems were the Guards had some Flour.
And decided to stop giving the Prisoners flour.
Finally after some issues the Guards decided to ask.
"Okay. So we'll give flour to whoever your leaders are and they'll decide who gets the food."
So of course random people say they speak for everybody and control the already extremely limited supply of food.

[stark plover]

Yummy flour and water soup

[gaunt sable]

And then you get people hunting and eating one another.

[green loom]

Mmm long pork

[gaunt sable]

They dropped like. A SECOND WAVE of Prisoners onto the island.

[stark plover]

What if the god-emporer just said "I don't wanna do this no more" and cuts off his own life support

[gaunt sable]

Also no extra food.

[green loom]

The second wave is the food

[gaunt sable]

The Guards would hunt escapees for sport.

[tulip brook]

but they had flour!

[gaunt sable]

And also raped Prisoners and when they were done threw them back on the island and watched them get ripped apart by starving Prisoners.

The Nazino Tragedy was MASSIVELY fucked up.

And the only solace is the dude who had the bright idea was later liquidated.

[stark plover]

This makes me realize that we're talking about real life and not Warhammer anymore

Shit

[vale fjord]

I wonder who's higher, Interrogator Rannick or Shipmistress Bra-

Yknow what

Nvm I thought abt it

[gaunt sable]

Not for the Nazino thing though.

Instead one of Stalin's purges

[gaunt sable]

Oh yeah.

That's why I said.
"This is something like out of a bad 40k novel."

[stark plover]

I didn't see that lol

[storm jungle]

theres a reason when its atrocities 40k just sticks to "they gunned people down"

[normal light]

https://youtu.be/imwsyae00p8?si=8odq0YjgA_GnuTlI

[storm jungle]

[normal light]

Found

It maybe cringe

Because of reference

But still some simple information

[stark plover]

Valentine's day massacre type beat

[green loom]

In terms of authority Rannick is only higher because he's acting with Grendyl's authority who can pretty badly screw with Brahms

[normal light]

And I would agree with it

[stark plover]

I just realized one of the dead prisoners in the thumbnail is in the family guy death pose

[gaunt sable]

Yeaaaaaah. >.>
I think if a 40k writer did an atrocity even half as bad as Nazino people who be saying it was too unbelievable and fucked up incompetent for the Imperium.

[storm jungle]

Yeah 100%

like even in Night Lords books

[green loom]

Dilara post the Sold pls

[storm jungle]

they just stick to vanilla gore stuff

[storm jungle]

On it

[stark plover]

They just stick to massacres and terrorism

[coarse pumice]

for the Rogue Trader 'social' skills, does it matter who you talk to people with or will party members pick up if needed?

[storm jungle]

your party members automatically interact when needed

no inputs needed from you

[green loom]

It automatically uses the highest skill for any check

[gaunt sable]

"We fucked up so bad by accident we had people battle Royale where the winners would eat losers and with the guards stationed nearby hunting prisoners for sport inbetween sexual assaults and throwing their victims back onto the beach to be eaten." Would have readers go.
"What the fuck?"

[green loom]

So if your trader has 60 commerce, and Abelard has 65
It'll just use Abelard

[storm jungle]

@gaunt sable

This is the biggest evidence I use when numbskulls go "Widespread Chaos corruption is not the Imperium's fault."

Yeah sure buddy

[gaunt sable]

What's that from?.

[storm jungle]

Kill-Team: Ashes of Faith

its from 2 pages where it shows chaos cult examples and how they form

[vale fjord]

I'm guessing brahms is second highest after melk?

[gaunt sable]

Neat.

Praise Papa Nurth.

[green loom]

She's entirely out of our Hierarchy, she's a rogue trader doing Grendyl a favour

By letting us squat

[vale fjord]

Fair enough

[gaunt sable]

"At least Papa Nurth is better then the Warden." :v

[outer wave]

Papa Nurth more like Papa Girth

[gaunt sable]

Doesn't even have to be a Favor.

[stark plover]

"We should get a death-guard boss!"
The last surviving veteran after not doing a single ounce of damage to a heaping bulk of metal and hyper-STIs:

https://tenor.com/view/взгляд-2000-ярдов-война-war-soldier-gif-3632617944134077161

[gaunt sable]

Some Rogue Traders in the novels get handsomely rewarded for helping the Inquistion.

[green loom]

I think it's mentioned somewhere that's she owes him and got dragged along to Atoma

[gaunt sable]

Whether monetarily or the Inquistor looking the other way to mundane indescrestions.

[green loom]

Also we stan Heinrix @storm jungle

[green loom]

Rogue Trader has you ferrying an Interrogator around

[normal light]

Ah yeah, casual imperial governors moment

[outer wave]

You know, not to be an edge lord when I say this, but I think 40k writers should push on what's comfortable and uncomfortable for people with that sorta stuff, just so people don't fall into the trap of "Oh huh the Imperium here don't seem so bad, they seem actually kinda good" type beat.

Not to an excessive degree but just a smidge methinks

[storm jungle]

Yeah agreed

they mostly do that only in novels

and rarely too

[normal light]

Only Governors “elected” by their people could be somewhat good

[gaunt sable]

I know. I like Henry. :v

[green loom]

There's always not horrible evil individuals
But no matter how you spin it they're typically either complacent or actively perpetuating all the horrible shit that's going on

[stark plover]

The only real reason people root for the imperium is because they're human

[normal light]

And still it’s rare examples

[normal light]

I root for Chaos

[gaunt sable]

Their only rare examples because there aren't that many novels taking place in the nicer quarters of the Imperium.

[stark plover]

This guy is a moebian 6th soldier with access to discord

[normal light]

Maybe, who knows

[queen laurel]

Not excessive in warhammer is like asking a Khorne daemon to donate blood

it needs to be excessive but only the right amount of excessive

[gaunt sable]

Also a lot of Authors like to race going for the most Grimderp takes they can as if it's a competition. >.>

[normal light]

I might been one all the time

[green loom]

https://tenor.com/view/valorant-vergaderzaal-kingdom-come-kingdom-come-deliverance-death-dead-gif-23644583

[outer wave]

Yeh, otherwise it comes off as immature and edgy

[left shore]

40k is immature and edgy by nature

[outer wave]

Which I mean, 40k is already kinda edgy but still

Yeh

[stark plover]

I realized that theres no bathrooms on the mourningstar

[gaunt sable]

Steals Gif

[green loom]

Henry's come to see us!

[sweet arch]

how many skilled human fighters should it take to kill a chaos space marine? just did that in a videogame u probably haven't heard of and i realized between in all 40k books i've read (eisenhorn, ravenor, the infinite and the divine, opening trilogy of horus heresy) there isn't a single proper matchup between humans and astartes. other than [eisenhorn:xenos spoiler]||mandragor getting coup de grace'd after being stunned by picking up the cursed book||

[green loom]

Steals you

[normal light]

Who is Henry?

[celest dome]

1

[green loom]

https://tenor.com/view/kcd-kingdom-come-deliverance-henry-kcd-kill-from-mercy-good-night-gif-16520186994275220477

[stark plover]

Just throw them into an industrial shredder or warp storm

[gaunt sable]

https://youtu.be/7uLTxtTKMLk?si=YdE0lRy4o-Y7NQwV

[normal light]

Ah

[sweet arch]

[gaunt sable]

Parties like it's 1403!

[stark plover]

Dancing plague ass mod

[normal light]

1 and he has to be a main hero

[green loom]

Heheheheheh

[celest dome]

I'm not joking

[green loom]

I was hoping you'd get the reference

[normal light]

Or very lucky

[outer wave]

Depends on the writer

[celest dome]

With proper equipment you can easily 1shot a SM

[stark plover]

Aim for their eyes, ez

[normal light]

Yeah meltagun for example

[queen laurel]

one shot of that infernal pistol and it's over

[sweet arch]

i mean like a proper showdown. im just confused about whether the one i fought in rogue tradey was a lil baby or not

[stark plover]

Shoot them in the eyes with a sisters of battle bolter

[normal light]

He was

[sweet arch]

heh

[green loom]

It's whatever you want it to be

Or whatever the author wants it to be

[normal light]

He is Word Bearer called Aurora

[spark nebula]

How would the structural foundation of the Imperium change if KFC still existed

[normal light]

And armed with Heavy Bolter

[sweet arch]

for the record i absolutely loved that encounter. they wrote it real good and the fight was mechanically real good

[stark plover]

I wish we got a darktide-esque game where we fought necrons in their full glory, resurrection protocol and all

[gaunt sable]

But yeah. I like 40k novels about the Imperium that are more like Abnett, Mitchell and etc.
Where the Imperium is at best sorta grey to grimey black.

But their not like. Completely Grimderp.

[queen laurel]

dude you're a rogue trader that can literally have enough physical raw strength to lift a heavy bolter

[outer wave]

Probably would chug performance wise, but would be cool

[queen laurel]

That space marine will get folded like an omelet

[stark plover]

The main objective is to steal trazyn the infinite's deepfryer

[normal light]

STEAL THE ORB

[gaunt sable]

Steal Trazyns Air Fryer in the name of the Omnissiah.

[rocky gale]

He has the last remaining STC for the Airfryer, it must be recovered at any cost

[stark plover]

trazyn is the kinda guy to have an entire taco bell in his gallery

Staff and all

[gaunt sable]

"Human culinary culture peaked with Taco Bell and has been on the downward spiral ever since."

[sweet arch]

did i miss something in the Infinite and the Divine? why does trazyn have a notable airfryer

[stark plover]

Because he's trazyn

[green loom]

Do you think he has examples of different body types

[stark plover]

Why wouldn't he have one

[stark plover]

He probably has every medical book and journal in existence

[sweet arch]

does a fair fight happen in any of the books?

[green loom]

No

[rocky gale]

There's even photographic evidence of him owning one

[green loom]

There's no such thing as a fair fight

[queen laurel]

In a setting like warhammer a fair fight is often a suicide mission

So no it does not exist

[sweet arch]

i like this answer

[stark plover]

I mean there's Eisenhorn

[sweet arch]

eisenhorn definitely did not kill mandragor fair and square

[stark plover]

That's the point

[near wasp]

Air fryers were lost during the age of strife

[green loom]

Do you think Trazyn would steal a Twink

[stark plover]

Probably

[near wasp]

Now we are doomed with soggy fries

[sweet arch]

gotta get my twink bod back so trazyn can steal me

[queen laurel]

there are planets with the same technological level as earth in warhammer

[rocky gale]

No need to, he already has clone Fulgrim

[queen laurel]

so hey

[green loom]

I like soggy fries

[queen laurel]

they may have an air fryer

[queen laurel]

the fuck

[stark plover]

Trazyn has an entire space marine regiment in his gallery why WOULDN'T he steal a few femboys

[queen laurel]

My man

[green loom]

What

[near wasp]

I mean the real question is does trayzen have a twinkie

[stark plover]

He probably has an entire twinkies truck

[rocky gale]

Would Trazyn deep fry a mars bar

[normal light]

Because he is not interested in them

[stark plover]

He'd probably be interested because men aren't supposed to look like that in his point of view

We must steal trazyn the infinite's most important item: A Ford F150

[near wasp]

He also has a pitbull named princess in his collection

[normal light]

He definitly has an unknown numbers of Toyota Techincals in his collection

[stark plover]

The necrons require Dodge chargers with M2 Brownings mounted on them

[sweet arch]

im gonna screenshot trazyn's NFT collection

[stark plover]

He'll fucking kill you dude

Don't do it

[rocky gale]

Possible RT spoiler ||Was going through the Toybox mod and checking all the items in the game and in the weapons section there's a Gaussflayer, I couldn't actually add it to my inventory but it's there in the files. Haven't encountered Necrons yet in the game and haven't heard anything about them but it could mean Necrons either base game or DLC||

[near wasp]

right click save as

[sweet arch]

[green loom]

||Necrons are in the Game lol||

[rocky gale]

||Oh, guess I've just not encountered them yet||

[stark plover]

Trazyn probably has every cat species in the world in his collection, each with their own name

Trazyn, the infinite: "and this..is my Scottish fold cat..his name is Munchkin"

[sweet arch]

there's an oriental shorthair named Orikan

[green loom]

My opinion

[normal light]

My opinion, we need trench mission
https://youtu.be/YSMLHbnOFy8?si=zgC9pEJF8TXZBhAH

[stark plover]

Wouldn't make sense for a hive world tbh

Unless the moebian 6th made trench lines on the outskirts

[green loom]

Urban warfare map

As in an active battlefield

[normal light]

1:09 has literal trenches https://youtu.be/EDNpahdp5fA?si=qY0jgtr2OX0r_TCF

yeah they are made out of rubble

but still

those ones are trenches

[stark plover]

Would it be a maelstrom or something else

Because if we're dealing with moebian 6thified kriegsmen that'd be cool

[normal light]

You don`t need to be Krieg to engage in Trench Warfare

[stark plover]

But still, the idea is there since we already have the kriegsmen sets from October

[gaunt sable]

He probably has a few dozen.

[green loom]

Checks out

[gaunt sable]

No that's a Twunk.

Still valuable.

[viral halo]

Whoever did the music in rogue trader needs a big fat kiss

I had the || aurora fight last night and the music goes insane ||

[green loom]

They typically have kickass music
https://youtu.be/h9W0oC87zCI?si=rRjb_U0FzakCYbEL

The current OST is made by a Polish composer I think

Nvm seems he's Armenian

But fuck me if he doesn't do a good job

[sweet arch]

yeah i just finished wrath of the righteous this week and started rogue trader. I didn't even know about rogue trader until the day it came out!

[viral halo]

It’s so fun

[sweet arch]

words cannot describe my joy, finally finishing WOTR and being like, shit that was great but now i need a new CRPG to fill the void

oh what's this? OH WHAt'S THIS?

[snow fern]

It’s fun, a shade buggy though, I don’t know how buggy, as people just tend to act like the game is only bugs

[sweet arch]

yeah haha it's a little buggy but miles and miles from being buggy enough to stop me from enjoying it

[viral halo]

I have had 1 bug in 20 ish hours

[sweet arch]

like, idk about you but i played darktide on launch and those bugs didn't stop me from having fun either

this isn't even close to that bad

there is exactly one bug that even stands out to me in memory, because it's constant, which is that pressing space to speed up my characters running where i told them actually makes it take longer and whacks out the animation for a sec

[queen laurel]

they just released a massive update fixing a lot of issues

so we golden

[snow fern]

And introducing more aparently

[queen laurel]

well yes it did **** ** my saves you only need to validate your files to make sure it doesn't get corrupted

And hey I want to start a new campaign anyway so that's always a plus but my God the missions I remember will haunt me to this day

[sweet arch]

that and rmb-moving the party out of combat doesn't show the cursor on the ground until you let go

when did the update roll out?

[queen laurel]

Just a few hours ago

and whatever you do validate your files

[sweet arch]

thanks for the tip haha

[queen laurel]

I deleted my saves because i thought it they got corrupted and beyond fixing

I do not wish my mistake befall to others

[sweet arch]

is it worth loading an earlier save if I missed the crashed drukhari ship in rykad system? i just made it to footfall

[queen laurel]

I highly encourage saving just when something goes absolutely wrong because trust me

this game is an absolute decision moment

While yes save scumming is not really a very nice practice according to some people those people can go burn themselves in hell this is your game

[sweet arch]

lmao i can't imagine

i agree that it's fun to just commit to consequences and not spoil the narrative drama , and to push yourself to fight through fights that are going desperately wrong, i also think that crpgs like this (and owlcat in particular) are so LONG and so punishing for some mistakes/misunderstandings of inputs or abilities/etc, that it just ain't worth it to be strict with yourself about it

[queen laurel]

my old character can wrestle a space marine to the floor and break his arm

[sweet arch]

also in WOTR playing on core, save scumming in order to master seemingly impossible fights by testing and reworking multiple strategies is the core fun

one of the many core fun things

[queen laurel]

My character can win a battle of attrition with how durable he is but sometimes you just need to reload the save and try better strategies

[sweet arch]

"astartes nuts!" i say, interupting the CSM and punching him in the throat with my 85 strength

[green loom]

Also this game is like

[sweet arch]

my character is baby lil sniper operator that hides in the back with cassia

[green loom]

A good bit better than wrath imo

Also did you notice the like

Leap in graphics lol

[sweet arch]

yeah wotr was an adaptation of very complicated ttrpg that has lots of flaws and is sorta clunky (but i still love it for having so much more meat on its bones than 5e)

but it feels like rogue trader was designed for this videogame

[green loom]

It's based on 1st Ed yeah?

[green loom]

I'm told there's some changes but otherwise it's basically the RPG in game form

[sweet arch]

oh, really? well nvm then haha

[green loom]

Here's hoping they do other FFG games

[sweet arch]

in any case it fits the videogame format really well

[green loom]

I'm hoping for a Dark Heresy adaptation

That would fuck so hard

[sweet arch]

never played none of those but i'd like to

[green loom]

It's basically the same system as Rogue trader apparently

[sweet arch]

been complaining my way through dnd 5e for like 8 years now

with some lancer, urban shadows, and a few homebrew systems

[sweet arch]

i thought wotr looked pretty good, but rogue trader looks great yea

[sweet arch]

i love the system. between all the powerful team buffs, the effectiveness and versatility of exploits, the momentum system, officer's extra turn mechanics, i'm just really really loving edgy space magic xcom

leveling up feels really good and i'm amazed out how fast im leveling up too

the amount of interesting-build-decisions-per-hour is off the charts. I love thinking through that stuff

[outer wave]

Genuine question: do we have any implication or idea on why the Karnak twins are cannibalistic?

[sweet arch]

hungwy

[outer wave]

But is that what Nurgle blessings do? It seems unrelated to his blessings

[sweet arch]

maybe they wanna eat other nurgle-blessed folk to get their blessings

[outer wave]

Im almost thinking they had to eat other people out of desperation and ended up indulging in it but not sure if Im reading too much into it

Possibly but they wanted to eat the rejects

We definitely dont have Nurgle blessings aside from whats being forced upon us

[sweet arch]

hmmm. what do people even eat in tertium? when there's not a heretic occupation going on

wondering if that foodsource would be functional right now

[outer wave]

Likely some variant of corpse starch if you're an underhiver or algae-based foods shipped from somewhere in the Atoma system

[stark plover]

I just now realized that testicular torsion is something a psyker can absolutely do to somebody

[outer wave]

Yep

[stark plover]

TWIST OF FATE

[sweet arch]

lmfao

[stark plover]

Give us testicular torsion aura fatshark

All male enemies completely die

No matter what they are

[sweet arch]

reminds me of the time in the inheritance cycle books, eragon finds out that you can just pinch a dude's jugular to kill him for basically no magical energy, and someone just tells him yea we try to keep quiet about that. shit would suck if more people thought of doing that

[outer wave]

Nurgle even slightly gazes towards Tertum, sees this, then cringes and dies.

[normal light]

You will be the first to experience it 💀

[sweet arch]

be the change u wanna see in the world

[stark plover]

Testicular torsion aura doesn't work on slaaneshi cultists because they are into that

[normal light]

So you claim to be Slaaneshi Cultist?

[stark plover]

No, it just wouldn't work on them

Because they're weird

Khorne cultists also wouldn't be affected because they are literally too angry to die

[sweet arch]

argenta sheds a tear for all the orphans with testicular torsion

[arctic talon]

Its 90% of the RPG except the trading + ship combat has been changed

thank fuck because the ship combat in the RPG was uh

not great imo

[versed ledge]

I just wish the combat was real time for rogue trader

Easier that way

[arctic talon]

disagree

[storm jungle]

yeah that wouldnt be as fun

its literally an RPG

[versed ledge]

Call it organized chaos. Under heavy fire real time, easy fix return fire and use abilities real time

[green loom]

Ok but now do that for 6 chars at the same time

[storm jungle]

^

[versed ledge]

Easy, dawn of war taught me well

[green loom]

Dawn of war isn't particularly micro heavy

[versed ledge]

And C&C

And Star craft

[storm jungle]

Im gonna orbitally bombard your house

[green loom]

It's a whole different hog when you're the one that has to tell your guys when to take individual shots

[versed ledge]

Fair enough, high octane real time stress go brrrrt

[iron grail]

Baldurs gate 2 would like to have a word

[proven needle]

You found the space button to pause I hope?

[versed ledge]

Space button in wotr makes combat easy too

[viral halo]

Seeing the drukhari || steal the fucking sun || was a nice touch

[storm jungle]

yeah its always told in lore so to see it in action is cool

[versed ledge]

Woah I gotta see that when I reach that point

To think the Eldar were actually that stupidly advance to steal the sun

[viral halo]

Even the inquisition fellow admits the eldar got insane levels of technological superiority, especially the drukhari as some of their "twisted creations resemble something sorcerous"

[arctic talon]

The scariest part of Drukhari is that they got no warp tricks or sorcery

It’s all technology

[storm jungle]

Yep lmao

[viral halo]

They do be terrifying

[patent ivy]

Yo that fight ||with Aurora is crazy||

I thought it was gonna be something like Reach but I gotta redo it

[storm jungle]

Its one of the most annoying parts of the game

[green loom]

The fight?

[patent ivy]

Yeah man I'm irritated that I gotta redo that whole thing

[green loom]

With the ||electro priests?||

[patent ivy]

No the ||Chaos Marine||

[green loom]

Oh

Yeah that one killed itself via self triggered opportunity attacks for me lol

[patent ivy]

Seriously

[verbal path]

I hope the patch helps the AI friendly fire less

Early fights often end with the enemy killing more of themselves than me.

[patent ivy]

This sniper 1 hits everyone too 😭

[versed ledge]

"Friendly fire is always a must" - Sister argenta

[viral halo]

Abelard skullfucked || aurora for me, chaos marine cant take on one grizzled old navy vet||

Just realized abelard is basically just popeye

[patent ivy]

I got him down to 40 but only had 2 people left before he ||destroyed the last ship||

[viral halo]

make sure you're using your grenades

[patent ivy]

I don't got no more

[viral halo]

I had all the adds taken out in like a turn using nades

Damn

I hoard them shits

[patent ivy]

I used them all up on during the run back to the pad

[dense dawn]

Is skull fucking something common in 40k

[viral halo]

One could describe the entirety of the grim darkness of the far future as "skullfucking"

[dense dawn]

Well said

Though noise marines do that right

Like canonically

[storm jungle]

no

stop

[sweet arch]

yeah no thanks on the realtime. it's possible to make realtime reasonable but it depends a lot on the system

wrath of the rigtheous i feel is almost not playable in realtime unless your whole party is martial characters. You can't afford to autocast anything because you'll run out of spellslots, so the casters are just using 1d3 cantrips while woljiff sets the bar at 500 dmg per turn

pillars of eternity was a lot more reasonable in realtime though, and i think i remember the first dragon age game having smart enough party AI configuring that you can set up good behaviours for different situations

rogue trader might work in realtime, but i can't imagine any situation where it's easier in realtime

[crisp heath]

Abelard and Heinrix seeing a ||chaos space marine|| like "we are going to beat you to death"

[viral halo]

Heinrix literally goes GOOD LUCK GUYS SEE YA if you look at his text box

[vale fjord]

what yall think about a chaos ogryn charonite (if ever so canon)

yall think the imeprium gon survive!?!?!

[arctic talon]

Charonite technology got outlawed post great crusade

[versed ledge]

Hereteks chuckle at concept of outlawed tech

[vale fjord]

as if you think heretics would follow that outlaw law

[arctic talon]

its also way too fucking advanced

it was a struggle to produce during the great crusade already

There's 0 chance the eye of terror has the necesary resources and stability for charonites

[crisp heath]

Vashtorr lights a cigarette

[arctic talon]

Vashtorr makes daemon engines

and daemon weapons

Charonites don't interest him

[storm jungle]

I do love how the lore is like

"yeah charonites were outlawed"

even tho you got like 10 units in the Imperial factions that match the exact same category of fighter

[vale fjord]

Also I did say "if ever so canon"

[arctic talon]

tbh its probably because it made ogryns smart 💀

[storm jungle]

💀

[vale fjord]

I'm just asking if yall think the imperium will not be able to stand a chance against a chaos ogryn charonite

[arctic talon]

Yes

shoot it until it dies

charonites are tough but ultimately disposable

[vale fjord]

Just bring in a loyalist charonite

No shooty

Simple as

[crisp heath]

A chaos empowered ogryn charonite with a force field and a blank strapped to his back, the ultimate weapon

[vale fjord]

Don't give the heretics any idea

[arctic talon]

use more gun™️

[tulip sand]

Im abt to go to reddit with this

Does anyoneone else have a bug with rogue trader

Where it uses your character stats for all in world skill checks

Like demolition logic etc it uses my characters stats for the roll not whoever is doing it or is the best at it

[burnt maple]

I just has a small pirate adventure, lol.

[versed ledge]

On rogue trader, right?

[dusk patrol]

There's way worse things they fight on the regular.

They were effective, not unstoppable.

They mostly existed as a cheap way to supplement IA forces and give them a chance against marines in close quarters fighting.

[versed ledge]

So what's the lawful good alignment in rogue trader? Because Iconclast seems to be the "come on, let's try not to make life worst than it already is" alignment

[tulip sand]

Yes (if you were referring to me)

Lawful good is dogmatic i think because of the lawful part

[versed ledge]

Oh...gotcha

So Lawful then

Come on, we all know the imperium and imperial cult aren't good guys

[velvet imp]

Iconoclast in Rogue Trader really has some of the more fun dialogue options sometimes. I literally had a option that convinced a person to turn away from Heresy after they go "maybe I am a idiot after all."

[velvet imp]

Dogmatic is Lawful Evil

it really emphasis the whole Kill everything but "For the Imperium" way

heck going full Dogmatic even has Argenta and Heinrix become concerned about your Rogue Trader and tells him/her to chill a bit due to how kill happy they are when they go "for the Imperium" bang bang

and that speaks a lot considering these two are the most Dogmatic of the companions

Heretical is well Chaotic Evil for obvious reasons

[crisp heath]

The old man who was about to undo his children?

[velvet imp]

oh you have no idea how kill happy Dogmatic is if you have not reach chapter 2 and beyond yet

[crisp heath]

Oh, I did the iconoclast options so I convinced him away from Chaos, then I killed him anyway

I did the same thing with the rebel in the warehouse, I listened to his story and believed him and then just yeeted him from life

[snow fern]

Bruh, the guy literally ||burned his family's eyes out with an evil magnifying glass, and Cassia can literally see Tzeentch influence still on him, how is letting him leave a good idea?||

Iconoclast certainly wants to do good and believe in redemption, but the whole point of stuff like Drukari or Chaos is that they're irredeemable monsters

Although, ||I still think you should get Iconoclast points for negotiating with that one ship crew, instead of just letting the enforcers do the oppression thing, but what do I know.||

[tulip sand]

Dogmatic is lawful, iconoclast neutral, heretical is chaotic

[snow fern]

DnD alignments really don't work in 40k

[tulip sand]

They fit pretty well

If you go iconoclast you are doing things that are clearly not lawful

But also not chaotic as well

And as many of the aspects of the imperium show you can be lawful while still very much being evil, and just like how many uprisings start from discontent/desire for change before being corrupted you can be chaotic good (at least for a short while)

[versed ledge]

Just got my navigator....holy shit, do these freaks kill their subordinates?

[arctic talon]

if you want to chart an optimal path yeah

you'll have to break a few eggs kill a few slaves

[versed ledge]

Here I thought I could preserve my Crew

[velvet imp]

it is 40K universe

the Grimdark future is no joke and not just a meme

there is a lot of messed up things that goes on in the Imperium and every other faction

you can thank Erebus for the current state of the Imperium

[wet sandal]

I find myself to be more of a Magnus hater

[velvet imp]

well what Magnus did would not have happened if Erebus never began his plan to destroy the Imperium and give it to the Chaos Gods

everything goes back to Erebus and his plot since the beginning to bring down the Imperium from the inside

the so called "side character" who is secretly the mastermind behind everything while a bigger figure more easily noticed and rememberws takes the credit

[arctic talon]

Its menials, who cares

its like 5-10

[crisp heath]

Just wait until she gets her pets :3

[glad flicker]

Poor Rodin always care for his sister Rinda even when she dies
but Rinda straight up an arse insulting him when her brother dies

[vale fjord]

Yea

Funny how he's priority number one cuz of his gas mines

[carmine tree]

I’m playing as a clergy member who values human life.

The Imperial cult is gonna flip

[patent ivy]

Bro does anyone else get the freezing glitch?

The game continues playing but an enemy is stucking making a turn

[outer wave]

https://youtu.be/OgNSVZK52jk?si=uPMzM36oLPmUjvCz at about 5:38, the Female Loose Cannon states that she feels like she's done this before (this likely being the mission)

Is this implying that there's similar Tzeentch fuckery afoot like in VT2?

[median marsh]

A case of dejavu or the devs having a sneaky jab at us

[outer wave]

It could be both tbh

[median marsh]

Our mission objectives are frequently pretty similar

With all the data interrogation and so on

[outer wave]

Also true

[median marsh]

dejavu is such a messed up feeling

[outer wave]

It's a wacky feeling yuj

But considering this is 40k, I don't think it's hard to see this as legit magic at play from the weaver of fate

[coarse pumice]

Seer is correct. It’s because it’s all a dream.

[iron grail]

So in terms of power. How powerful are the Karnak twins?

At this point we’re auric level operatives but they still gave us a good fight.

[calm idol]

auric walk in the park compared to twins hard mode

[median marsh]

I'd say from their descriptions and combat performance they're on a level of a chaos champion at very least, maybe even minor lords

It's a bit hard to judge from gameplay because we can pretty menacing with certain team compositions, but Karnaks alone slaughtered more of our allies and rejects than any other notable heretic

[queen laurel]

Bare minimum i would give them enough skill to go to toe to toe or even beat a Rogue Trader

[median marsh]

Rodin also seems to be well versed in creating plagues judging by his dialogue "I brewed this batch just for you" which not only hurts like hell but also empowers poxers

[queen laurel]

With Average equipment

[queen laurel]

He's probably the main leader of the manufacturing of the biological weaponries

Anything that poisons or empowers the mobian six probably comes from him

[median marsh]

Most likely, he's probably not alone but was amongst the ones behind it

[queen laurel]

Yeah he is definitely one of if not the best at making plagues and stimulants for the war band

[median marsh]

I like the detail that he is using death heads instead of regular grenades

[burnt maple]

Nah. Evil would be "use rules for your own gain" "have rules by which you act, but still for yourself"

Dogmatic is far from that.

Why? "Good" in 40k doesn't exist as we perceive it. But lawful good usually goes "abide rules that not always benefit me"

[coarse pumice]

is this bugged?

[queen laurel]

Probably or it works and it just displays something

Wrong

Okay damn that thing looks like it can turn you into mashed cheese

Yeah Tzeentch cultists

[velvet imp]

well glad they are adding more traitor leagion enemies beyond just Chaos Marine type. Time to fight a chaos|| dreadnaught||

That aside, anyone manage to find a Hotshot lasgun in Rogue Trader

I remember them being in Alpha but I think they removed them in release version

[green loom]

In Rogue trader?

[velvet imp]

ya

[green loom]

Ye

Can tell you where too

Since I think they're static spawns

[velvet imp]

I am assuming that is late game

[green loom]

No it's pretty early

Where are yopu ayt

*you at

[velvet imp]

I'm working my way past Junas now

[green loom]

Go to the governors palace

Should be a crate next to the landing pad with a stock green one

[velvet imp]

been exploring a lot on side missions so I am taking my time

[green loom]

I think it's a perception check but it's between you and the building on one side

When you spawn

[pine wedge]

we have to assume that they are at the power level of accomplished inquisitorial operatives

throne agents

[green loom]

Joe agents

[pine wedge]

I think the implication here is that we give each other a tough fight

squad of rejects vs karnak twins in their element

[stray bluff]

4v2 tho

Ok scratch that, they had minions

“You lot wouldn’t last a day in the 6th!”

[median marsh]

keep in mind that our characters are technically "better" than average reject

[stray bluff]

“Auric” tier?

[median marsh]

Melk commands what he calls Auric Operatives, which are a darktide thing

we're never called them directly yet, despite doing auric missions

[stray bluff]

The way Auric Operatives are described in game, is borderline OP

In my mind they are those you see on youtube running the solo mod, speedrunning through

[median marsh]

they're supposed to be spec ops essentially

And even they get wrecked fairly frequently

[stray bluff]

At this point i welcome a Chaos Space Marine fight

Karnak Twins got me feelin froggy

Im feeling unstoppable

Nothing less than Daemon Primarchs are gonna stop us

[median marsh]

To quote Darkest Dungeon narrator "Remind yourself that overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer"

[queen laurel]

This game is not the most lore accurate in the first place

Because we literally survive getting eaten by a beast of nurgle

[median marsh]

It wouldn't be a game If it was

[queen laurel]

That would reduce us into pile of melted bones and flesh hell it's enough to literally just be near it and we melt

[median marsh]

In lore Plague Ogryns and Nurgle stuff in general is described as being able to kill with a touch

[queen laurel]

Yeah

Are characters survive usual contacts with these guys pretty often

[median marsh]

We are basically in near permanent contact with the walking pox

[queen laurel]

The amount of goddam plague blood you get on your weapons too

[median marsh]

our characters are basically Black Library novels main characters

They get the freebie of immunity to wicked shit

[stray bluff]

What? Whos the author

We are under the Emperor’s protection