#40k-lore-chat

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rose thorn
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Lmao

dusk patrol
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He’s always shilled out

storm jungle
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I'd say "man's gotta make money" but I hate Major so

dusk patrol
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I don’t care if people take sponsors

rose thorn
dusk patrol
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Especially if they’re fucking 40k tubers

crisp heath
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The only lore bit that annoyed me was the harlequins just running through the Eternity gate slaughtering whole squads of Custodes like there were grots was kinda annoying

dusk patrol
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I just hate him cause how he is

storm jungle
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mfer has a video going

dusk patrol
storm jungle
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"Why im more popular than other loretubers"

dusk patrol
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Also why they’re even there

storm jungle
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okay we didn't ask 💀

dusk patrol
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To…warn…the Emperor

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That chaos is bad

crisp heath
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Emperor I know chaos fried you and forced you into this golden wheel chair.

But don't forget about chaos m8

arctic talon
dusk patrol
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Like they all die so that the Imperium can remember “Those War moons are bad but also chaos guys”

storm jungle
dusk patrol
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It’s all shit

storm jungle
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LIKE, IM SURE HES AWARE DUDE

crisp heath
dusk patrol
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It actually makes me kinda mad reading it because fucks sake this is what someone got paid to write?!

storm jungle
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Again

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people give some 40k writers way too much credit

arctic talon
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Reddit

tulip brook
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imo we need that sweet spot with more concise videos, majorkill has 2 mins shilling, 7 mins edgy jokes and 2 mins actual topic, most others go 4 2 hours video series for each topic

arctic talon
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also sometimes blatent misinformation™️

dusk patrol
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Why are you watching Majorkill?

storm jungle
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this is why Arbitrator Ian is good

arctic talon
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its white noise

dusk patrol
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lol

arctic talon
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and sometimes I just pick one of those videos to be white noise

crisp heath
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Moon sized Death Ball Emperor.

dense salmon
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Majorkill at the very least has held himself to a higher standard of credibility in his videos lately

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Sometimes he just claims utter falsehoods though

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And he interlaces memes into his analyses that can be extremely misleading

crisp heath
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Major kill is alright. I guess his content is borderline parody lore videos.

dense salmon
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People shouldn't watch majorkill for pure lore tbh

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Better channels exist for that

crisp heath
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Naw

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His shit is just for lawls

tulip brook
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the guy said a few times he likes to go lore subreddit and take video ideas from there, he can be entertaining tho

crisp heath
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I like wolf lord rhos stuff

dusk patrol
tulip brook
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too much speculation and clickbait for my taste

tulip brook
dense salmon
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Speculation is okay but sometimes he'll say shit that is purely unsubstantiated

tulip brook
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speculation comment was for wolf lord rho

storm jungle
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again, I recommend Arbitrator Ian, stuff like his latest 13 Black Crusades video is why I like him.

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he lists off the lore, the IRL history and inconsistencies

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its very fun

crisp heath
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I just like his readings

storm jungle
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Luetin I like too but he strikes me as a guy who kinda has his head up his ass at times

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but hes deffo white noise to me

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i like listening to him as I just aimless do tasks

dense salmon
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Majorkill is cool because he gets like

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Interest in a subject going

dusk patrol
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I have a hard time with the dumb “dramatic” voice so many lore YouTubers do

crisp heath
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I just like when majorkill says "Fuck you timmy"

dense salmon
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But he's not any authority on lore imo

crisp heath
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Or is it jimmy?

dusk patrol
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But he is to a lot of people being introduced

dense salmon
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He's like the tabloids of 40k

tulip brook
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I choose baldermort for white noise. his voice keeps me awake

dusk patrol
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That’s my main issue is he attracts a lot of the worst kind of fan

dense salmon
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For white noise i prefer long-form content

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Amber king is great for that

urban spire
crisp heath
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.

dusk patrol
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Tbh I’ve found every faction can have the worst kind of fan

storm jungle
dusk patrol
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As long as they make it their personality and are huge pricks about it

storm jungle
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but he just played it off as "haha you guys are so silly"

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which was lol

crisp heath
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To be fair the most unsufferable 40k player I've dealt with is a Tau guy

storm jungle
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Most insufferable 40k fans ive dealt with are usually Imperials

dusk patrol
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I’ve run the gamut at different stores

storm jungle
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most people here can confirm i think

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lol

arctic talon
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The most insufferable 40k fan I've met was a Nid one

urban spire
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ride or die for the imperium is a red flag

tulip brook
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afaik luetin is still getting the most recommendations in yt. the guy knows the algorithm game

arctic talon
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but that was for entierly different reasons

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He was really really fucking weird

dusk patrol
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Tau, Eldar, Nid, a Custodes one, Space Marine, so on

arctic talon
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But yeah you'll run the whole gamut imo

crisp heath
arctic talon
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especially irl

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I think liking WHF is fine

crisp heath
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If they cannot articulate why it's probably a problem

@urban spire

arctic talon
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its a good setting

celest dome
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Weirdly enough the worst fan I met was a SoB player

arctic talon
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guh

dusk patrol
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I have met some very cringe and weird SoB fans

tulip brook
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it turns out, it's a revolving door and we are all bad kek

dusk patrol
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Basically

storm jungle
dusk patrol
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I don’t think any fans suck more

arctic talon
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but I think I've met an unpleasant person from pretty much every faction

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except for like Votann

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I've met like 2 votann players irl

celest dome
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Like the most migonostic player, but had an army made out of only women

arctic talon
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they were chill dudes

dusk patrol
storm jungle
dusk patrol
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Endless drama

urban spire
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the worst warhammer people i've ever met, i met them here and they all typically get banned within the next 5 or so minutes

arctic talon
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LOL

crisp heath
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Why would I main aliens when humans are an option?

storm jungle
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Because diversity is cool

arctic talon
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Tbh play whatever you want

dusk patrol
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Because they’re neat

urban spire
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because humans are boring

celest dome
dusk patrol
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Who cares

arctic talon
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I find the Imperium cool

dusk patrol
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Be the baseline

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Be different

tulip brook
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my roommate was so cringe about space marines it took me about 5 years to get over it and actually give the setting a chance

dusk patrol
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Who gives a fuck

arctic talon
urban spire
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i like the mass of humanity more than i like the imperium itself

tulip brook
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so yeah, the worst fan I've seen was a sm fan

dusk patrol
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The real cringe is to care what other people are fans of

celest dome
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Best fan I met in RL was a Bretonnian player

dusk patrol
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And try to bring down their choices

arctic talon
dusk patrol
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There’s a lot of options

rocky gale
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As someone who mains SoB, I'd say SoB has some of the worst fans

dusk patrol
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Pick one, or a ton, don’t be a prick

urban spire
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the best warhammer fan, objectively, is my girlfriend who just paints whatever models she feels like because she thinks they look cool

celest dome
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The dude explained to me that he got into horse riding due to Bretonnia

dusk patrol
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I do love Bretonnia’s whole aesthetic

rocky gale
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Just try search for Sororitas models on Etsy and you'll quickly be scared for life

crisp heath
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From a lore standpoint; Humans are fairly terrible.

But I am Human; I support humans. Aliens will never care about Human ideals. Aliens will only ever care about alien ordeals.

So I have to agree with Big E on that one.

storm jungle
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Awful

dusk patrol
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Also French Arthurian knights is really funny

dusk patrol
storm jungle
crisp heath
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Half of 40k players

urban spire
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aliens can very easily care about human ideals, it's not like we have some sort of patent on ideals woven into the fabric of the universe

crisp heath
dusk patrol
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I don’t actually think that us replacing all our body with augmetics would be a good idea

storm jungle
celest dome
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40k if I get to pick I'm joining thr Eldar or the Tau.
Fantasy I'm sticking with the Empire or the Dwarfs

dusk patrol
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I still love Iron Hands

crisp heath
storm jungle
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the Imperium is a fascist nightmare

crisp heath
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I'd say like 70-80

storm jungle
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the common people have no freedoms

urban spire
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i think more than 90% of humanity lives on hive worlds

storm jungle
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its not a society to aspire to or wish to live in

dusk patrol
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People whose personality is just complaining about everything is so cringe

crisp heath
dense salmon
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Dystopic societies are a cornerstone to sci-fi

storm jungle
dense salmon
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I dont know why people would argue that the imperium isn't a dystopia

celest dome
crisp heath
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Ultramar is fairly tame compared to other places.

storm jungle
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Governors having freedom to rule however they want always ends badly for the people

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because again, power corrupts

tulip brook
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I get it's easier to find emotional connection with human factions but meh it's all fantasy they aren't more human than geriatric metal boys with superiority complex

urban spire
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ok so first off you do know the ultramarines are fascists right

crisp heath
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Their are whole worlds that are considered paradise worlds.

storm jungle
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Yes

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for rich people

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lol

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where they abuse their workers

crisp heath
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I could be a farmer on an agro world driving my baneblade sized harvester

storm jungle
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And choke on toxic fumes

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or just watch the admech suck the planet dry and replace the workforce for being "lazy"

crisp heath
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I have a mk5 respirator

arctic talon
dusk patrol
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At least they’re making money

celest dome
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Pleasure worlds are like the train from Snowpiercer, its great if you're lucky, but absolutely hell otherwise

dusk patrol
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I kinda get that at least lol

storm jungle
crisp heath
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Their are also fuedal worlds.

storm jungle
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And?

arctic talon
storm jungle
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feudal life was awful

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💀

crisp heath
arctic talon
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Bretonnia™️

urban spire
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ah yes feudal worlds, i love to die of dysentery at age 35

crisp heath
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Gotta die somehow

rocky gale
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Ah yes, the glory days of being a peasant in a feudal society

storm jungle
dusk patrol
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Man I would have done so well in medieval Europe smh

tulip brook
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now imagine feudal life that can be shattered any time by space tech overlords

dusk patrol
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That’s any world smh

plush mason
# storm jungle And choke on toxic fumes

||i formed an alliance with the eldar on my agi-world and didnt even have to lose points in dogmatic alignment, that made me happy|| act 2 rogue trader spoilers

crisp heath
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Is Rt good?

storm jungle
urban spire
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apparently it is

plush mason
crisp heath
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I haven't decided if I want it yet

celest dome
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There were world that mostly were supposed to be at our current level of development, not sure what their name was again

crisp heath
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I'm quite poor atm

urban spire
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but yeah, the imperium has no redeeming qualities, that's the point

rose thorn
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Remember the agri worlds from lords of silence?

storm jungle
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The governor just going

"Oh the people in this world are happy and compliant."

||And shes literally stealing them to turn them into food and other gross shit because the higher nobility of the planet are slaanesh cultists lol||

urban spire
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im not gonna be able to wait to buy this game am i

dusk patrol
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Me: “I’m gonna save these mutants.”

Game: you lose 2 profit

“Wait fuck that who’s gonna pay 2 profit for some mutants jfc.”

crisp heath
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Out of 1m worlds some have to be decent.

storm jungle
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They are "decent" temporarily

crisp heath
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Ultramar would be a decent choice

plush mason
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the fact being an iconoclast means being the good guy sums up the imperium quite well imo

storm jungle
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all Imperial worlds are destined to eventually be shit

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the Imperium is not a prosperous society

crisp heath
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(Except ultramar gets bukaked every 10 seconds)

urban spire
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the best worlds in the imperium are the ones where life is merely boring trudgery rather than abject horror

storm jungle
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Pretty much

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and even then

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oh you bumped into an enforcer?

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lemme just break your leg

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you wont make that mistake again

crisp heath
storm jungle
urban spire
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yeah but like, marginally worse

storm jungle
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Yep like i said lol

arctic talon
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tbh there's def some worlds in 40k that are like fine

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but statistically speaking

urban spire
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like if you get cancer you dont get chemo you get prayer strips to wrap around the cancer

arctic talon
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you're gona die on a hive world

urban spire
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thanks empra

crisp heath
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Hive/forge worlds are not something I'd prefer.

arctic talon
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Shame most of humanity lives in em

crisp heath
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Or anything under mechanicus governance in general

urban spire
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only way to live a decent life is to be born rich just like r

storm jungle
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It doesnt super make a difference

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every imperial world uses slavery and harsh means of control

arctic talon
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Under the mechanicus is a dif level of hell

urban spire
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isn't capitalis

dusk patrol
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I think we can all agreed that the most moral choice is to always have Abelard introduce you properly when some cretin doesn’t show you the respect you deserve.

arctic talon
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real

urban spire
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EL PROBLEMA

dusk patrol
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Abelard is a real homie

crisp heath
arctic talon
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Rogue Trader has that classic 40k dickishness to it if you want to be

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you know

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a dick lol

dusk patrol
plush mason
arctic talon
storm jungle
crisp heath
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Take eisenhorn for example.

Not alot of worlds he visited were filled with object cruelty towards the population.

They just busied themselves doing typical normal daily labors.

storm jungle
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Yeah because thats just Abnett being Abnett lol

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like "these worlds are fine" is not an excuse

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it doesnt stop every other planet form being a shithole

urban spire
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have you read a lot of abnett lately? most of those worlds aren't really fine

crisp heath
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The cruel labor and slavery and obscene punishments to accomplish tasks are more mechanicus/administratium

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Type things

storm jungle
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No they arent

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thats literally in every Imperial world

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and the administratum and mechanicum are also on every imperial world lol

arctic talon
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*mechanicus

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🤓

storm jungle
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💀

urban spire
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and i cannot stress enough that of the untold billions, the VAST majority lives on hive worlds

plush mason
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ummm. dont the administratium run the day to day affairs of the whole imperium?

storm jungle
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Yes

crisp heath
storm jungle
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they are present on many and almost every imperial world

urban spire
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yes

arctic talon
storm jungle
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Mechanicum > 30k

arctic talon
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The mechanicum died during the heresy

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For a variety of political reasons

urban spire
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if you call the admech the mechanicum to their face-grills they'll suspend you from your eyebrows and strip you for spare parts

storm jungle
plush mason
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ye

crisp heath
urban spire
storm jungle
crisp heath
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Lol

storm jungle
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ıts the truth lol

crisp heath
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Either way

urban spire
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what does a reclusiarch have to do with anything

plush mason
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idk how much more GW can do to get the point across

crisp heath
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You still have hordes of people not pressed into slave gangs to accomplish tasks on many worlds

storm jungle
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💀

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The company that made the setting says its bad

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Still trying to explain other planets dont use slave labor

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Even tho they do

urban spire
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basically in 40k, your chances of being born into an ordinary boring life are about as good as being born a billionaire in real life

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well not billionaire

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but up there

plush mason
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literally all the common people in the imperium are just chattle to the high borns on their world

storm jungle
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Okay they don't use slave labor, are we now just going to ignore every other awful thing the society goes through then?

Working to death in their assigned jobs

Being beaten up by Arbites/Enforcers

Turned into servitors for crimes they didn't do

Suffering starvation or disease because the governor is an asshole

etc etc

urban spire
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if you were born in 40k you would not be a cool warrior or a fancy noble you would be a wretched little thing living in a hole of misery

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the imperium does this to its population intentionally

crisp heath
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If your version of reality of what a hive world is was accurate.

You wouldn't have people running bars, providing shuttle services, local markets, ect.

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Which are present in most novels

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Depicting hive lift

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Life*

storm jungle
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Yeah mostly under the nose of the ruling class

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lol

plush mason
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^

storm jungle
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We see this in Darktide

urban spire
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you've seen the new map right?

storm jungle
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the Imperial officals show disgust at the carnival

plush mason
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they do those jobs because they must

crisp heath
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Darktide isn't exactly what I'd jump to for lore nuggets

storm jungle
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I would

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its written by Dan Abnett

urban spire
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^

plush mason
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if they dont they and their family are killed

storm jungle
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he helped with the narrative behind the new maps

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lol

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Darktide also has 7 Black Library Authors attached to it

dense salmon
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Dan Abnett is pretty much the big cheese on 40k lore

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It's him and then GW themselves pretty much

crisp heath
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And darktide is a shitworld anyway

storm jungle
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Again

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easy excuse

urban spire
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atoma is a normal hive world

storm jungle
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"Oh this doesn't count."

urban spire
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not even the worst

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not even close to how bad necromunda can get

dense salmon
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I dont think anyone would argue that good worlds do exist in the imperium, and that a significant portion of the population live pretty uneventful, regular lives

crisp heath
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Pretty sure it's bad when you have greater daemons spawning in your basement

urban spire
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present situation notwithstanding

plush mason
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hell just now in rogue trader i killed a rebel. told the secretary about it, and he set about rounding up said rebel's family and friends to be killed due to guilt by association

dense salmon
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But the setting is oppression at its core

storm jungle
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Heres one example

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And a second one

dense salmon
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Even in the great crusade the emperor was absolutely a "do what I say or die" type of ruler

storm jungle
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^

dense salmon
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Hold on i have something for this

storm jungle
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the first one is a governor selling his people to be literal slave labor in penal legions

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and they turn to chaos and stop praying to the Emperor

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the Imperium is bad lol

dense salmon
urban spire
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people IN THE SETTING keep saying, and i paraphrase: "the reason the imperium has so much trouble with cults is because we keep mass producing people with nothing to lose on an industrial scale"

storm jungle
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^

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any Imperium defender just deflects it with any excuse

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"Oh its the peoples fault"

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okay live in poverty and see how it is then

dense salmon
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I think you can defend humanity without defending their brutalist regimes

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But people see humanity and the imperium as one and the same

storm jungle
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^

urban spire
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like i said, i love the mass of humanity more than i love the imperium

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i LOVE the stories you can tell in a hive world, it's like

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cyberpunk on cocaine

green loom
storm jungle
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"With us or against us"

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spoken like a true fascist lol

crisp heath
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Us being humans

rocky gale
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Only a heretic deals in absolutes

crisp heath
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Them being mostly brutal aliens

dense salmon
green loom
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"Why would you break off from the imperium, just pay your taxes and you're free to do whatever clueless"

plush mason
dense salmon
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Hell im a mixed guy and I've been called a race traitor

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WHICH RACE

crisp heath
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Both!?

green loom
urban spire
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bruh i betrayed my whole damn gender

green loom
storm jungle
urban spire
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apparently

storm jungle
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oh wait

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they also genocided non-compliant humans too

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so you cant even say it was all the aliens fault

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wack

crisp heath
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Compliance was mandatory

storm jungle
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So?

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What is that suppose to mean

crisp heath
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The ends justify the means

storm jungle
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They don't

urban spire
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they don't

storm jungle
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You are actually being very sus rn

crisp heath
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To stop chaos; compliance is necessary

storm jungle
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Spoilers

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it just made things worse

green loom
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I wonder how that went

crisp heath
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Poorly

storm jungle
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Also 30k compliances had nothing to do with chaos.

crisp heath
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(Or as planned)

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Not sure which

storm jungle
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human populations were put to the torch because they resisted

urban spire
green loom
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Yeah the knowledge was actively suppressed because knowledge is free as long as they approve of it

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You know that thing dystopias like doing

crisp heath
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I have a feeling the HH was pre Engineered by the Emperor of man

tulip brook
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they were racing to conquer, why would they care about your culture, diplomacy, bargaining all that boring stuff they have no time for... just tell me you serve me or get bombed, easy.

crisp heath
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Especially after reading thr valdor book

green loom
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So he actively orchestrated the death of trillions smilecat

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I don't think that's a good thing there

crisp heath
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But a trifle

urban spire
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if the emperor engineered the heresy that just makes him WORSE

storm jungle
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Hey guys, reminder

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crisp heath
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Lemme find quote

urban spire
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me on my way to perpetrate equality and justice

crisp heath
crisp heath
rocky gale
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Isn't the theory that the Emperor had planned the Heresy, but like most of his plans it didn't work and happened far earlier than he'd intended and basically ruined everything

storm jungle
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Yeah pretty much

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we dont have a straight answer

storm jungle
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where trillions die under the yoke of oppression

green loom
crisp heath
storm jungle
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Xenophobia

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lol

green loom
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I mean we did post the Sold right

crisp heath
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But the other option is also genocide?

storm jungle
green loom
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They're not an exception, they're the standard

urban spire
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the trains DO NOT run on time

crisp heath
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Which genocide is worse?

green loom
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The imperium instead of fixing a problem

storm jungle
green loom
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Will instead bludgeon it to death

storm jungle
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Nobody is going to agree here with you

green loom
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But the problem is it's own leg

storm jungle
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stop this pro-imperium nonsense

tulip brook
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are they even TRYING in the first place

green loom
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God no

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Bad thing happen? Purge the entire city block

plush mason
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which is better. to go extinct with our ideals and our dignity intact or to live on as a broken shadow of what we once where and can never be again?

green loom
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It keeps happening? Starve everyone for months

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I recommend you play rogue trader, this shit is all over the place KEKW_ogryn

urban spire
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the cruelty of the imperium is NOT NECESSARY

crisp heath
urban spire
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THEY ARE THE BADDIES

green loom
crisp heath
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(Everyone is the baddie)

green loom
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You know the imperium actively fears and suppresses change yeah?

urban spire
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yes everyone is the baddies, that doesn't mean you have to pick a side

plush mason
crisp heath
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It's already changed somewhat since 7th ed.

green loom
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I mean

urban spire
green loom
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They got some guns

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And now they're worse off

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And everything that was happening is still happening

storm jungle
green loom
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So did things really change smilecat

plush mason
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in 40k humanity died after the golden age. just no one ever bothered to tell them that

rocky gale
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RT spoiler ||Like the game considers your Castellan an Iconoclast (guy who cares about people), rather than a Dogmatic and his solution to workers striking is to send in enforcers to kill everyone in the entire district.|| In 40k even the "Nice" guys aren't particularly nice.

crisp heath
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Which isn't great

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But it's better than the norm

green loom
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Hello brutal meritocracy with a ruling Elite

storm jungle
crisp heath
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Isn't he making his marines planetary governors now?

green loom
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The thing about guilliman is that instead of being a hyper dystopian fascist, he's just a normal dystopian fascist KEKW_ogryn

tulip brook
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10th starts with gorillaman's tirade about everything is being shit and the worst thing is they have hope that things change

plush mason
green loom
#

In dark imperium he returns to ultramar and goes

#

"how dare you not follow my grand design, surrender to my military governors at once!"

crisp heath
plush mason
#

they wont bother to stop the lords from doing so ether

green loom
urban spire
#

they won't stop grinding poor people up for food though

tulip brook
#

imperium isn't a some kind of last bastion keeping the chaos at bay, it's a breeding ground for chaos

urban spire
#

the corpse starch will never stop flowing

#

yeah the imperium is making the situation much, much worse

#

did you know that before the emperor did a big whoopsie, chaos didn't actually have space marines?

#

the horus heresy is responsible for the existence of the dark mechanicum too

plush mason
#

i saw in a meme once that the emperor knew the gig was up and humanity was doomed, so all he did was try to prolog its extinction

crisp heath
urban spire
#

the emperor was just a bid dumb fascist who fascisted all over space and made tim curry SAD

plush mason
#

lol

inland sigil
urban spire
#

imagine the sort of person who would make this man sad

image.png
#

not a good person

crisp heath
#

Lol I forget he's in RA

urban spire
#

it's so good

#

every time i see the word "space" on its own without context i read it in tim curry's voice from that clip

plush mason
#

same

urban spire
#

SU-PAYCE

tired summit
#

Did magnus do anything wrong?

urban spire
#

mmmmm

#

nah

#

well maybe a bit

#

he could have dedicated himself to tzeentch sooner

crisp heath
#

I'm still pro imperial, if my other options are as follows.
Necrons: Just as bad, if not worse.
Orks: Literally have a jolly ol time murdering anything not green.
Eldar: Created a MultiDimensional Rapist.
Dark Eldar: Same but worse.
Tau: Mind Controlling "Passifists" who sterilize their alien "allies"
Chaos: A numberless legion of Psychopaths.
Nids: They are big bad space bugs; I don't wanna be a bug.

rocky gale
#

It's 40k, you shouldn't be Pro anyone

urban spire
#

you don't have to be pro any one of those

crisp heath
#

Oh and votann

#

I donno enough about them yet

green loom
urban spire
#

they seem alright but there's very little lore

green loom
#

The Asuryani were the ones that didn't contribute to Slaanesh lmao

tired summit
#

I'm pro farsight

urban spire
crisp heath
#

Yeah farsight is alright in my book

tired summit
urban spire
#

as fascist

tired summit
#

HA

green loom
#

You understand they broke out a long time before this happened right

tired summit
#

Nah that's the imperium

urban spire
#

anyway i was saying

#

i have forgotten what i was saying

#

oh yeah the votann

#

it's extremely funny that the existence of the votann iron kin just casually throws the imperium's entire dogma about AI under the bus

tired summit
#

Has it been confirmed if the votann have beer?

crisp heath
#

They are space dwarves

#

They better

tired summit
#

If they don't they ain't fucking dwarves

urban spire
#

they aren't actually very susceptible to chaos, it turns out that if you treat your AI with dignity and respect it actually will love you back instead of trying to destroy your civilization

crisp heath
#

Votann lore needs more meat and potatoes

urban spire
#

it does

#

a novel is in the works

#

but right now it's VERY sparse

tired summit
#

Well they are pretty new

#

I think

urban spire
#

thin broth with the occasional chunk

crisp heath
#

But they do seem like the most reasonable race in lore atm

#

Lol

urban spire
#

like that little detail about AI

tired summit
crisp heath
#

That's not a race

#

That's a person

tired summit
#

Oh yeah

green loom
rocky gale
#

I mean the Votann aren't a race either

urban spire
#

isn't his faction named after him

tired summit
crisp heath
tulip brook
#

he's going steady into 🌽 lands

crisp heath
#

Yeah Farsight is probably Taus most redeemable quality

rocky gale
#

The Votann are AI constructs which lead their factions as like oracles

crisp heath
#

Lol

urban spire
#

ok well first off race isn't real
second, factions aren't all arranged by race or species or what have you in 40k

rocky gale
#

The Squats are clones that the Votann make to serve them

tired summit
#

Wat

crisp heath
#

Species is a better term for races in 40k

#

Because they wouldn't be races anyway

urban spire
#

faction, just say faction

tired summit
#

Hive fleet kronos

crisp heath
#

A felinid would be a race

tired summit
#

Has the best design

#

Of all tyranids

urban spire
#

felinids are abhumans, we don't actually know how far abhumans diverge genetically from regular humans, they could be genuinely entire new species

tired summit
#

If I'm thinking of the right one

crisp heath
#

I like the new nid models

tired summit
#

Oh yeah there great

urban spire
#

THAT SAID

tired summit
#

But I'm working on my squig army

crisp heath
tired summit
#

So no nids rn

urban spire
#

LET US MAKE FELINID CHARACTERS, FATSHARK

crisp heath
#

No that isn't correct

urban spire
tired summit
#

Weren't ppl asking for ratlings?

urban spire
#

mules

crisp heath
#

I forget what it's called when a species becomes to evolved from one other that they cannot breed

#

But it has a name

urban spire
#

i think personally greater humanity has speciated heavily

tired summit
#

Isn't there a abhuman that's basically a mermaid?

arctic talon
#

Pelegar’s are “mermaids”

crisp heath
#

Not that I recall

arctic talon
#

But not really

#

They don’t have fish tails

crisp heath
#

They just have gills and such?

urban spire
#

there's ratlings, squats, ogryns (like 7 different strains), beastmen, pelegars or whatever, felinids

arctic talon
#

They’re super muscular and semi aquatic humans

crisp heath
#

Pelagers are Shape of Water dudes

tired summit
#

Weren't there bat ones to?

#

And really thin long ones

crisp heath
#

They're here to steal your air breathing girl

arctic talon
#

They have gills sorta

urban spire
#

just fucking

arctic talon
#

They also can survive high pressure and stuff

urban spire
#

GW show us some damned felinids

crisp heath
#

It's just Shape of Water

tired summit
#

I remember them from the xenolgy book

arctic talon
urban spire
#

make them properly canon you absolute cowards

crisp heath
#

There were a few different abhumans in the beast series I haven't seen elsewhere

#

Give me cat girls or give me death

arctic talon
#

They got mentioned in liber xenologis

tired summit
urban spire
#

there's literally no downsides to pissing off the chuds

arctic talon
#

Kroot “they look just like humans, except they have massive claws the size of your arm”

#

I’m paraphrasing

tired summit
#

Why cant you buy liber xenolgy anymore I'd love to get it

arctic talon
#

But whatever felenids look like I hope they have big claws

crisp heath
#

I bet Tryzan has ALL the abhumans in a pokemon ball

arctic talon
tired summit
arctic talon
#

Lol

#

I’d be okay with anything tbh

crisp heath
arctic talon
#

I’m just interested

crisp heath
#

Just donno when

arctic talon
#

Lemme grab the kroots exact quote

#

BRB

crisp heath
#

I mean they were created as thunder cats stand ins so

tired summit
#

Oh God I just saw Ezekiels model

crisp heath
#

I just want catgirls of any form

misty brook
#

Now we have a Tau god, thanks to the collective belief of the human auxiliary forces they have.

crisp heath
#

If GW makes felinids I'm sure they will be significantly ugly.

#

Did I stutter

soft thunder
tired summit
#

I wish 40k had more squigs ):

crisp heath
#

True

tired summit
#

I'm building a army of only squig units

#

And I'm just not building the orks that ride them

crisp heath
#

My first army was orks

tired summit
#

I got 3 armys

crisp heath
#

I enjoyed it throughly

tired summit
#

Death guard, lizard men and now orks

crisp heath
#

Evry squigs a eatin squig if you ain't a git

#

I have a little bit of everything

#

But I've also been playing a very long time so I guess that's expected

arctic talon
#

Here’s the full thing on felenids

IMG_3404.png
tired summit
#

I feel like mephiston could kill guileman

storm jungle
#

Mephiston is Mega Mary Sue

#

so its possible lol

tired summit
#

May be Mary Sue but I love his armor so fucking much

arctic talon
#

Not even the other blood angel writers like what happened with him 💀

#

Freezing time is comically stupid

crisp heath
#

I mean Mephiston is more powerful than Stern, and Stern could probably one shot most primarchs

dusk patrol
#

Uh

#

No

tired summit
#

Idk who stern is

crisp heath
#

(Mepheston isn't the only psyker who can manipulate time)

tired summit
#

I'd assume magnus, malcador and big E could control time to a extent

rocky gale
#

Ephrael Stern?

crisp heath
#

Yeah

dusk patrol
#

Grimdark Sailor Moon

crisp heath
tired summit
tired summit
crisp heath
#

My guy we're talking about the lovely lady who bodily launched herself into a greater daemons torso, bisecting it in the process

crisp heath
#

Bobby G doesn't stand a chance

tired summit
dusk patrol
crisp heath
#

Most Ctan can iirc

dusk patrol
#

She’s powerful

#

But we don’t need to overwank her

arctic talon
tired summit
arctic talon
#

Which is generally pretty silly

dire apex
crisp heath
#

Umm... she survived an Imperial battleship crash landing on her head from space.

#

Js

tired summit
dusk patrol
#

Time powers are always OP as fuck

arctic talon
#

Yeah

dusk patrol
#

It’s why you don’t ever introduce them

arctic talon
#

I just don’t like how mephiston just

crisp heath
arctic talon
#

Generally seems to have no risk what so ever

crisp heath
#

She is probably the most busted character the Imperium has and I don't think I'm exaggerating

#

No

tired summit
#

I feel like Orikan could pretty easily get into the golden throne room

rocky gale
winged jacinth
#

im a little late but im pretty sure kroot think felinids and humans are hard to distinguish because they taste alike

crisp heath
#

She's rule of cool kicked up 500

#

Eisenhorn in Magos is probably the most broken character in lore.

tired summit
#

Well that's neat

crisp heath
#

Either Eisenhorn in Magos; or Drago

tired summit
#

I'm reading Eisenhorn rn no spoilers

crisp heath
#

Alright

dusk patrol
#

The whole implication is the shoe will drop

crisp heath
#

It's like the 7th book after the Ravenor series

dusk patrol
#

But it won’t really

arctic talon
#

Also the whole devestation of Baal thing

#

Is goofy

#

How the fuck does he redirect Kahbanda

#

Like I get why he tries but also ????

crisp heath
#

It goes Eisenhorn trilogy, ravenor Trilogy, Magos, then bequin series?

tired summit
arctic talon
#

THERES A SHADOW IN THE WARP

#

But meh

dusk patrol
#

Tbh how did Ka Banda even spawn?

arctic talon
#

Is how he finally spawned

dusk patrol
#

The whole setup is kinda silly

arctic talon
#

Yeah

#

It is

#

Khorne ex machina

rocky gale
#

Looking at the rules for Tabletop, Guilliman would slap Ephrael Stern aside like a bug.

arctic talon
#

Tabletop isn’t accurate for lore

#

Tbh

tired summit
#

I don't recommend using tabletop as lore

arctic talon
#

Eldrad tabletop vs lore is very funny

#

Same with magnus

#

Hell most guns as well

tired summit
#

Cuz I don't think an avatar of khaine can one shot a warhound in lore

arctic talon
#

Ironhand Straken could punch an imperial knight to death

#

In 9e lol

rocky gale
#

That seems legit

tired summit
arctic talon
#

It was peak

crisp heath
#

Problem is,

Devastation of baal.

Baal almost gone.

Rift Opens

Kabanda spawns.

Guilliman arrives to save dying Dante?.

This implies that like within a day at Baal.

Guilliman is revived, traverses the webway to Luna. Goes to Terra. Meets with the Emperor. Battles at eternity gate for like a week or so, reorganized the senate. Marshals a crusade and saves many worlds. Eventually breaches the warp and then saves dante.

soft thunder
tired summit
#

I think dante would have been happy if gman never showed up

#

Would of let him die

arctic talon
#

Also custodes stats vs lore is always funny

tired summit
#

Oh yeah

arctic talon
#

Also guardsmen being able to run

#

More then a marine with a jump pack can go

#

Is even funnier

crisp heath
#

I'd like more classes in darktide

soft thunder
tired summit
rocky gale
#

I know lore =/= canon, just thought it'd be interesting to compare and yea in a game Stern would do basically nothing to him and then get evaporated.

crisp heath
#

Idk just more

# 
Stern had done this.
Dagover tried to process that reality. He stared at the levelled city. The air was grey with ash from the millions of shrivelled bodies. Stern had fought a being who had the power to change the shape of a world, and she had destroyed him. That light, the light that had ended the tremors and brought the deafening silence that comes with the end of war. That awful, terrifying light.```
#

No real preferences

#

She did this with a sword

tired summit
#

I'd also like more classes but all the bases are checked for what they can do

#

Meele, ranged, magic , tank

crisp heath
#

I'd like to play as a marine

tired summit
#

Not much else

#

That would make it way to easy

crisp heath
#

Or maybe a crusader

#

We must find balance in all things

tired summit
#

If spacemarines get added they gonna have to add great unclean ones

rocky gale
#

Crusader is just Zealot, they already have a cosmetic for the Crusaders robes

tired summit
#

Which would be awesome but also horrifying

crisp heath
#

Admech class would be interesting too

tired summit
#

Oh wait that could work

crisp heath
tired summit
#

That could work

crisp heath
#

Or maybe a servator?

tired summit
#

To heal?

crisp heath
#

Skull probe ?

#

Idk

#

Mechanical stuff for skills

tired summit
#

Would be nice to have a bit of a support focused class

#

So Like a junior tech adept or smh

soft thunder
# tired summit Meele, ranged, magic , tank

For the sake of arguemnt, there is potential for sub classes, whether through weapons or w/e rabid speculative game-dev fantasy. There's already some sub-class variation seen in vermintide that isn't in Darktide. i.e. summoner (necro sienna), disabler (tree kerri staff), more shields in general (for zealot pls)

tired summit
#

Can't be an actual tech priest

crisp heath
#

A marine scout or initiate, something closer to baseline human

warm notch
#

What are the lore ramifications of this

tired summit
crisp heath
#

He be liftin

#

He's been naughty and now has to unload cargo for the Chapter serfs

#

He better paint that guy as a blood raven, some chapters have awfully heavy relics

#

That would be a good scheme

tame birch
#

What is the beloved psykers refer to in their voicelines?

crisp heath
#

Have some other chapters crates being lifted.

crisp heath
warm notch
crisp heath
#

Wimperor

tame birch
#

The emperor is talking to the psykers?

warm notch
#

🤷‍♂️

#

It’s up in the air

tired summit
#

Who do yall think Henry Cavil gonna play in the show?

molten swan
#

psychically, probably yeah, or at least guiding them

#

or in dreams

#

who really knows

crisp heath
tame birch
#

I see

warm notch
#

Answer is leading towards “yes” since they know things they probably shouldn’t know

tired summit
dire apex
tired summit
#

Not overpowered but still strong

crisp heath
arctic talon
molten swan
#

sanctioned psykers are linked to the Emperor basically after the black ships so it makes some sense imo

arctic talon
crisp heath
#

Pretty sure the show is gonna be the Eisenhorn TV show GW announced they were trying ti make like what..
10 years ago now?

arctic talon
#

but also who knows

#

If its an Eisenhorn TV show

tired summit
arctic talon
#

I'm gona bet its Esienhorn

crisp heath
#

Cavill straight up said he doesn't want to play Eisenhorn

arctic talon
#

also makes sense

#

ngl

tired summit
molten swan
#

I have no clue who he's gonna play tbh

crisp heath
arctic talon
#

but him being a servitor would be funny as shit

#

ngl

tired summit
#

Mabye Cain

arctic talon
#

Also we don't know if its gona be the Esienhorn show TBF

#

that thing has been in development hell

crisp heath
#

If not he could be the King in Yellow?

arctic talon
#

forever

arctic talon
molten swan
#

yarrick? prob gonna be some random hero

arctic talon
#

imo

molten swan
#

too many to know lmao

tired summit
#

Or mabye a entirely new character

arctic talon
#

I would like it

#

to be its own little part of the setting

tired summit
#

Like a rouge trader or something

arctic talon
#

plenty of space to still explore

molten swan
#

rogue trader would be pretty cool

crisp heath
#

He is starring and directing right?

molten swan
#

or his own inquisitor or something

arctic talon
#

Rogue Trader/Inqusition related

arctic talon
tired summit
arctic talon
#

We know he's part of the project somehow

crisp heath
crisp heath
#

And there’s more! One of Warhammer’s most famous superfans, Henry Cavill (well-known for pointing out chandeliers that look like Blackstone Fortresses) is on board, too. He’s bringing his lore expertise to the mantle of Executive Producer, and his sword arm to the starring role.

#

Quote from Warcom

arctic talon
#

oh

#

neat

tired summit
#

Omg he said captain General he gonna be kitten

warm notch
#

Wow thats cool

arctic talon
#

Cavil playing some side character would be peak

crisp heath
#

So he's producing

warm notch
#

Geraldo of Riverdale in Warhammer

arctic talon
#

but we'll see what it is

warm notch
#

This cannot go wrong at all

arctic talon
#

lol

#

my best bet is inquisitor or rogue trader

#

tbh

crisp heath
#

Not sure what the difference between producer and director is

#

Tbh

arctic talon
#

producer arguably has more power

#

directors direct the show shot to shot

tired summit
#

If the lion in the show the actor better be that guy from lord of the rings

arctic talon
#

produces hold uh

#

power over the production

warm notch
#

producers get most of the production going

#

budget, actors, etc.

crisp heath
#

I have 0 doubt he's going to cast himself as Captain General what's his face and its not going to be an inquisitor show

warm notch
#

I think ...

crisp heath
#

He's made what he wants to do very clear

#

So he's basically the directors boss?

warm notch
#

Yes

crisp heath
#

He does not want to play or make a show about mortals

#

That's probably a good thing

arctic talon
#

tbh

tired summit
arctic talon
#

realistically speaking its gona be mortals imo

crisp heath
#

I still feel in my bones it's gonna be eisenhorn

arctic talon
#

but meh

#

who knows

tired summit
#

Idrc I'm jsut excited for the show

crisp heath
#

True

tired summit
#

My personal favorite idea would be a new rouge trader

crisp heath
#

But it's also a double edged sword imo.

#

Unless GW stepped in and part of signing the rights included them dictating what the show was about, he has a lot of control, second only to the Amazon itself.

#

He's going to do whatever he wants that he can contractually get away with

tired summit
#

Amazon's pretty ok when it comes to shows and source material

#

So im not to worried but it's still amazon

crisp heath
#

If it's good; GW will trueky go mainstream and you'll get all kinds of weird shit happening.

If it's bad you'll probably not see another gw film of this scale ever again in your lifetime.

arctic talon
#

tbh Amazon also is fine with horrific content lol

#

the Boys

crisp heath
#

True

arctic talon
#

we literally have Homelander [REDACTED] off the side of a building after killing someone

tired summit
#

Omg imagne if trazyn makes a cameo

arctic talon
#

Warhammer being more mainstream would be fine tbh

crisp heath
#

I don't think Cavill is gonna go for that kind of brutality though. He will probably focus more on the story and only use excessive violence if it's necessary for the scene.

arctic talon
#

because The Boys is also argaubly mainstream now

#

its comics were also really dogshit lol

crisp heath
#

I have faith that it will be good because I think Cavill will do the exact opposite of that

#

The boys is fairly mainstream

arctic talon
#

Servitors™️

arctic talon
crisp heath
#

He's going to turn it into his own personal power fantasy where he's the strongest guy and just annihilates swarms of xenos and heretics, and it will be glorious

arctic talon
#

lol

#

turns out

#

its an adaptation of the Inqusitor Martyr video game

crisp heath
#

If the story is eisenhorn; brutality was in the story but overall it was basically scifi Sherlock

tired summit
crisp heath
#

Where are people even getting the Eisenhorn thing once

#

It was I loved every page of it

crisp heath
arctic talon
#

and it got stuck in development hell

crisp heath
#

It was only brought up once, before he got the rights to make a movie, and he immediately shot it down

#

He simply does not want to make an eisenhorn show

#

2019?

storm jungle
#

People are hyping it up a lot so if it ends up being bad I'll be pretty amused lol

crisp heath
#

It's GW

storm jungle
#

like 40k fans have way too much expectation from GW

crisp heath
#

He will make what they tell him

#

Lol

tired summit
storm jungle
#

KEK

arctic talon
#

tbh

#

I'm expecting it to be mediocre

crisp heath
#

What they allow him*

warm notch
arctic talon
#

like most warhammer video games

#

Its a 6 or 7/10

storm jungle
#

people are also like

arctic talon
#

if you don't know/like warhammer

crisp heath
#

Most adoptions are mediocre

arctic talon
#

it'll be an 8 or 9/10

storm jungle
#

treating Cavill as Ryan Gosling but in 40k form

"HES LITERALLY ME OMG"

its genuinely a bit sad 💀

arctic talon
#

if you like it

warm notch
#

would there be any way they drop the ball harder than paramount's halo series did?

arctic talon
#

No

tired summit
#

What if he pulls a complete 180 on us and just plays lorgar

storm jungle
arctic talon
#

because GW is very anal about lore lol

crisp heath
#

Cavill does not have a track record of doing what he's told

arctic talon
#

literal rabid dog level

tired summit
crisp heath
#

He very finicky and picky and if he doesn't get what he wants he will just sacrifice his job

#

GW is usually pretty strict with their ip

arctic talon
#

think more like a pitbull called princess

#

thats on meth

storm jungle
#

otherwise if its like

#

a big hollywood movie?

#

yeah he'll keep his mouth shut

crisp heath
tired summit
storm jungle
#

Im very happy its dead

crisp heath
#

Rip

storm jungle
#

Alfa's Hunter content is so much better

crisp heath
#

I liked tts

#

Not all of it

#

But a good portion

arctic talon
#

the later parts are good

#

His World of Darkness stuff is better

tired summit
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I wanted to see kitten duel the void dragon in the card game I forgot the name of

arctic talon
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imo

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yugioh

crisp heath
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I still go back and listen to the Kitten General rap battle the fabricator General occasionally

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You see I know cavill isn't a real nerd and is nothing like me because he looks like someone women want to be around

arctic talon
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lol

crisp heath
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I can't relate to that

crisp heath
tired summit
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Nah men ain't much better

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We all fucking suck

crisp heath
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My guy there's more men on my body count than the US army

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Not true

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I'm in the army and I haven't added myself to your count

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I have kissed everyone's father

tired summit
crisp heath
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Your story is falling apart now

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My kiss was too potent and for that I'm truly sorry

tired summit
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):

crisp heath
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Now back to the original statement; if that was true then women would want to be around you

arctic talon
crisp heath
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The boys are back in town

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How long from the announcement of the Middle Earth series to release ?

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Also "the pride of the Lion" is the worst pun I've ever seen and I no longer like Warhammer

crisp heath
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They're hellish affronts to nature with unknowable goals and unfathomable desires

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I bet their bellies are soft if you poke them

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What lurks beneath

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arctic talon
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But they don’t really need to

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You can’t hurt them

crisp heath
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They have a null presence?

arctic talon
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No

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They’re psykers

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But they seem to only use their powers for defense or utility

green loom
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Similar presence to Emps in a way

crisp heath
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Watchers will see literally any bullshit you can throw at them and just veto it

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What if it's the Emps throwing it

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"No thank you, no stellic fleshmaulers for me, thank you."

arctic talon
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They don’t seem bothered by anything

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They don’t feel fear

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They’re weird xenos

crisp heath
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I feel like Emps would probably be afraid to try anything on a watcher

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I don't think they have been tested on anything like the emps

arctic talon
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The changling didn’t bother attacking them despite being scared

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So I’d assume there’s no point in attacking them

crisp heath
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They need more lore

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They also have access to non-warp dimensions so who knows what they've got

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Is there any lore for them in HH books?

arctic talon
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Not really

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All we know is that they hate chaos