No I mean more like we are all crazy hyper violent lunatics now lol
#40k-lore-chat
crisp heath
storm jungle
yeah because they were cocaine fuelled psychopathic murdering killing machines that were unstable monsters.
its not a good comparison
crisp heath
Right and we arent?
dense salmon
The thunder warriors were also dying
crisp heath
Especially with stimms being added
dense salmon
Even if they weren't culled they would have had long drawn out and painful deaths from unstable DNA and sickness
winged jacinth
Killing all your assets is a superpuritan thing too, and grendyl definitely isnt one of those
storm jungle
^
storm jungle
Yeah like we will only get executed if we saw like
entire daemonic legions
or a daemon primarch
and maybe heretic astartes
this cult shit is standard procedure
dire apex
Bold to assume peace will ever come to atoma
storm jungle
I mean nobody is assuming lol
winged jacinth
Peace cant come to atoma or the servers would turn off
storm jungle
^
winged jacinth
There is only war
storm jungle
Also as most 40k books dont tell you
every "population" our "heroes" in a book save
the citizens go straight back to dying in slave labour
hooray
winged jacinth
That's a misrepresentation
As hadrons lines imply they never stop dying in slave labor
random stump
That's just economy
dense salmon
Heresy be damned we have tanks to build
winged jacinth
I imagine the moment a factory gets recaptured they ship in menials
crisp heath
Ehhhh, slave labor? I mean.... idk... I wish we could see more of the day to day lives of an average citizen... they had a red-light district for Christ's sake. There must be some living being had that isn't idk... does anybody get what I'm trying to say? Words are failing me...
storm jungle
Its entirely slave labor.
winged jacinth
Its not like, chattel slavery usually
storm jungle
Hadron says that they have been branding merchants in the mercantile districts instantly into "labour" designations.
winged jacinth
But you work your assigned job until you die
storm jungle
So imagine you are told you cant run a shop anymore
and you gotta go work in a volatile plasma reactor room
sounds fun right
winged jacinth
Its in between industrial revolution factory worker and plantation slave in terms of average quality of life
crisp heath
But I mean... that's right after a war. Even we kinda do that today. Of course it'll be more strict. My point is that... idk, i know your assigned a number and a job and everything. But it doesn't seem as bad as slavery as we imagine it. At least not when I consider they had, again, a red-light district where the populace obviously went for good times and good drinks. That means there was some sort of social structure and economy within, which you usually don't see in slave labor camps and such
storm jungle
We might but we dont do it on a planetary scale where you dont have any rights.
crisp heath
We also don't have planetary scaled cities or a galactic empire. Things scale
winged jacinth
You can do whatever you want in your offshift 12 hours as long as you make quotas i imagine
random stump
The air is in rations
winged jacinth
Besides probably 2 hours of church
dire apex
crisp heath
@winged jacinth that's not slavery then. Especially if they are being paid and able to spend that wage in a red light district
winged jacinth
<@205177510852427777> that's not slavery then. Especially if they are being paid...
Its not chattel slavery but its slavery
storm jungle
^
like example
These people are literally being sent to penal legions for no crimes.
winged jacinth
Its slavery in the same way factory towns were
storm jungle
and in turn they start worshipping Nurgle
winged jacinth
But worse
crisp heath
I'm also not trying to say there aren't worlds with worse... just saying that it seems there is some leniency not usually seen in pure slavery.
dense salmon
It's very reminiscent of the great purges of the soviet union
Undesirables are quartered off regardless of if they actually did anything
winged jacinth
The imperium is presumably a fascist command economy
storm jungle
It's very reminiscent of the great purges of the soviet union
^
storm jungle
The imperium is presumably a fascist command economy
Also this
a lot of the way 40k industrialism functions is very eerily similiar to what people like Stalin or Mao attempted
just send millions of people to work to death
and increase production
dense salmon
Yeah the imperium takes aspects of pretty much every non-humanitarian government in world history
storm jungle
Yeah most people work in such horrid conditions that they just beg for death.
dense salmon
There are other aspects of powers that weren't necessarily brutalist
Like napoleonic France and British empire
crisp heath
Like... I hope yall don't think I'm defending the imperium lol. I know it's terrible. Just saying how I wish we could see more of the day to day lives of average citizens. These questions would be cleared up. I also just love the cyber/steampunk living style. I know that the living sitchs also probably change depending on where in the hive you are. I want to see all of the different levels. I have high hopes for this Amazon show coming up
I feel like the factory town was a good analogy
dense salmon
I mean I think most people here would agree living in the imperium would suck balls
But I still enjoy it as a faction
And 40k as a setting
Know what I mean?
green loom
I mean I shit on marine/imperium fans constantly and here I am painting marines 
tulip brook
every 40k fan ever
storm jungle
Yeah its when people are like
"WELL there has to be some good worlds to live on-"
Yeah I hope you like it when the admech comes in to destroy it and turn it into an industrial shit-hole
plush mason
I'm also not trying to say there aren't worlds with worse... just saying that it...
ummmm. that is factually not true. even slaves need some level of RnR at times to maintain productivity
crisp heath
In that a lot of factory towns, especially in the early days paid in their own specific currency that could only be spent at their local store. So all the money always funneled back. It was a way to make people feel like they were paid when they weren't. As long as the company can supply the store, and a roof over your head, you never needed to leave. Worked well for the company. Till the supply couldn't meet demand and inflation rose. Suddenly them store became harder to fill, and people began realizing they couldn't get groceries nowhere else cause the money didn't work. Realized the trap they were in.
tulip brook
it's a whole galaxy, there must be somewhere living is bearable or uh, enjoyable but that's not the point of the setting anyway
crisp heath
@plush mason tell that to the cobalt miners
dense salmon
Yeahh the average planet isn't that different from living in our real world tbh
But I mean
crisp heath
Throw enough workforce at something, doesn't matter when some drop
dense salmon
You're still facing pretty unreasonable threats
dire apex
And also have no rights to protect the decent life you have at the moment
dense salmon
Yeah
dire apex
Decent living in the imperium is the product of being unnoticed by the powers that be due to sheer scale
tulip brook
overcrowding, no human rights and constant need to feed the military complex
plush mason
it's a whole galaxy, there must be somewhere living is bearable or uh, enjoyable...
afaik many worlds inside the segmentium ultramar have a relativity safe and comfy standard of living closest to modern day living
plush mason
so long as you are not in the fortress worlds that ensure said safty
crisp heath
My thing is there's such variation between the world's in the imperium that you'd really have to go case by case. And likely level of hive by level of hive also
plush mason
yeah
dense salmon
In the real world we have things like the magna Carter that set a precedent for how a ruling class should treat its subjects
And pretty much every world government has interpreted that
plush mason
still no where is gona get to just full on modern day earth in 40k
dense salmon
In 40k, no such protections are guaranteed
You could be made into a servitor for no reason at all
They just needed servitors and you happened to be visible
plush mason
in 40k computers are people
crisp heath
Set a precedent for how a single ruling class should rule... and they don't even follow their own rules have the time, let alone other rulers in our world@dense salmon
dense salmon
I'm not saying it's water tight
But it did set a precedent
And quality of life for the lower classes have steadily increased in the world since its inception
Not all the time
Not everywhere
But it was a wave
crisp heath
Also, technically, the magna Carta is in 40k
plush mason
has any ruling elite ever actually followed the Magna Carter?
crisp heath
It's just lost to history lolol
plush mason
most only want to live like nobles without the obligations that come with said rank
crisp heath
Imagine an imperial finding the declaration, constitution, or magna lol
plush mason
they would use it for fuel or kindling
crisp heath
🤣
plush mason
likely wouldnt even be able to read the words
not much different from real life tbch
crisp heath
Idk... High Gothic is a type of Latin. If it survived long enough to get to a mechanicus, or scholar, they might be able to translate it
plush mason
eh
crisp heath
Just depends 🤷♂️
plush mason
i dont think most people in the imperium can read or speak high gothic
crisp heath
That's why it depends on who it gets to
dense salmon
i dont think most people in the imperium can read or speak high gothic
Kind of like how most people in the Vatican don't know how to read or speak Latin anymore
plush mason
the documents would be burned no matter what. ether has fuel or as heresy
crisp heath
This is true
dense salmon
I was there when I was much younger
crisp heath
I also think this is true
dense salmon
The biggest shock to me was nuns and priests operating the stores
crisp heath
Lol it's weird!!! I've only been once when I was really little
spring cairn
it's a whole galaxy, there must be somewhere living is bearable or uh, enjoyable...
yes, there's a million worlds all are different
plush mason
Kind of like how most people in the Vatican don't know how to read or speak Lati...
afaik high gothic is only for official documents and important meetings
spring cairn
there's always a good place somewhere
but that's not where the fun's at
in term of the narrative
dense salmon
I think a good indication of living standards in 40k is actually visible in darktide
You see overturned luggage with the only thing in them being like
A single pair of shoes
Someone in tertium's only worldy possessions were the clothes on their back, a pair of shoes, and a bag to carry them in
crisp heath
but that's not where the fun's at
Idk, them Pleasure Worlds seem to have a lot of fun 😉 😉
plush mason
the workers makeshift beds in the factory
dense salmon
Hive worlds don't necessarily reflect the entire imperium
But they represent a disproportionate percentage of the population
plush mason
because they ether dont have a home or arent allowed to leave the factory
spring cairn
but thats where most of the population is concentrated
dense salmon
You know
plush mason
we have "imperial" worlds that dont fall into the other designated worlds
crisp heath
No, pleasure Worlds don't have fun, or no, hive Worlds don't reflect the entire imperium@spring cairn
dense salmon
I always wondered what a deambulatory on a hive world would look like
dire apex
Someone in tertium's only worldy possessions were the clothes on their back, a p...
because there are no looters in tertium
forest orbit
Almost every ımperial world has some sort of horribleness behind it
even the "peaceful" ones lol
plush mason
but yeah the vast majority of worlds in the imperium are hive worlds afaik
spring cairn
No, pleasure Worlds don't have fun, or no, hive Worlds don't reflect the entire ...
hive worlds don't reflect the entirety of the imperium
crisp heath
Ahh
forest orbit
hive worlds don't reflect the entirety of the imperium
Just because they dont doesn't really matter imo
crisp heath
Wasn't sure lol
forest orbit
like okay not every world is a hiveworld sure
spring cairn
ok
plush mason
or a mining world
forest orbit
where everyone wants to die and got coal lungs
late snow
Is the recruitment of convicts a normal thing for the Inquisition?
Also, are the troopers aboard the Mourningstar actual Inquisition-trained soldiers or are they convicts like us too?
plush mason
so we can go back to the 1800s but in space lol
forest orbit
^
its why i find this whole "there has to be nice worlds to live on" aspect very weird
you are just making excuses
spring cairn
yeah and
plush mason
the whole point of 40k is there is no hope. every single thing is shit and horrible
spring cairn
there's hope
plush mason
no
spring cairn
it's not a 1 dimensional narrative
forest orbit
yeah and theres no hope
the Imperium are not the good guys
they arent something to aspire to
crisp heath
Lol let's go to a pleasure world where everyone is having an o gy and drinking wine while the servants where b ll gags and ch stity belts and dispense us grapes
forest orbit
or fight for
forest orbit
Lol let's go to a pleasure world where everyone is having an o gy and drinking w...
LMAO
Epstein's Island much 💀
plush mason
the single most famous line in all of 40k is "in the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war"
forest orbit
^
crisp heath
Never said there was children weirdo@forest orbit
plush mason
and they fucking mean it
crisp heath
But sure 🤣
forest orbit
Never said there was children weirdo<@1132413165511135333>
You know how rich people tend to get 💀
"Whats the worst possible way i can abuse another human being because im bored"
spring cairn
yeah and theres no hope
you have no concept of nuance do you
forest orbit
you have no concept of nuance do you
I do, im just saying what this setting is about
have you read the opening title-crawl for 40k
plush mason
^
spring cairn
it's not
forest orbit
"There's no peace among the stars."
crisp heath
🤣 knock knock the drukari and lucien are here. They want their shtick back
plush mason
40k is not a nuanced setting
spring cairn
doesn't say there's no hope among the stars
plush mason
it very much does. just not with the direct words
forest orbit
^
spring cairn
sure ok lol
forest orbit
You can have fun in 40k but dont assume its a "happy" or "hopeful" setting lol
arctic talon
The imperium is explicitly damned to die
plush mason
no peace. no progress. no dreams. only war
forest orbit
Yeah the Imperium's eventual fate is to basically fall into warlord sectors/space
humanity prob wont go extinct because we got toys to sell
but it will fracture
plush mason
yeah
plush mason
plot
arctic talon
Ye
dire apex
I don’t think that’s a big deal for the imperium, power is already highly decentralized
plush mason
there is no in-setting reason why the imperium hasnt fallen already. it is purely because they and specifically the space marines make GW a lot of money
dense salmon
The imperium is in a perpetual deathspin
forest orbit
"""realistically""" speaking the moment the Emperor died and all the primarchs disappeared civil war would fracture it
plush mason
yes
dense salmon
Guilliman has been to the imperium what emperor Aurelian was to Rome
He saved Rome for the time being but it was sinking no matter what
plush mason
yup
dense salmon
But just because the imperium crumbles doesn't mean humanity will
tulip brook
papa nurgle can take care of them just fine
plush mason
the humans of 40k have been living in hell for 10k years
they have lost their humanity
they are humans in name and blood only
dense salmon
I think that last bit is a stretch
spring cairn
you think
dense salmon
Humanity persists even in the constant strife
We see it with the rejects alone
Cracking jokes, holding out hope for better days
spring cairn
Humanity persists even in the constant strife
that's the entire point of the setting
dense salmon
Thats what it means to be human
forest orbit
Theres no hope with the Imperium functioning the way it does.
plush mason
they rage against the dying of the light. but they have stagnated to the point where raging is all they know
forest orbit
^
the EMPEROR HIMSELF
SAYS THIS
IN MASTER OF MANKIND
i can get the excerpt if you want
dense salmon
Let's not conflate hope for humanity with hope for the imperium
forest orbit
^
anyone who wants to be a human in 40k mostly entirely misses the point lol
the Imperium is not suppose to be something you aspire to fight for lol
GW themselves have said this
dire apex
I could fix her
arctic talon
Being a human in warhammer fantasy is far superior to the average life of an imperial citizen arguably
spring cairn
Let's not conflate hope for humanity with hope for the imperium
redditors will
arctic talon
Mostly since
tulip brook
Belief will not save us.
Lies will not protect us.
But it is our hope that will damn us.
arctic talon
Statistically speaking
dense salmon
Being a human in warhammer fantasy is far superior to the average life of an imp...
I agree
forest orbit
> Belief will not save us.
> Lies will not protect us.
> But it is our hope that...
Great find
also like
Warhammer Fantasy is a lot better
there humanity is not evil (MOSTLY)
they are heroic badasses
lmao
plush mason
yeah
dense salmon
I'll just have to agree to disagree on the whole "there is no hope in the galaxy" thing
dense salmon
It's the type of grimderp that removes the fun from the setting
spring cairn
don't bother
dense salmon
^
spring cairn
they can't comprehend
plush mason
ofc. every individual has hope. but fasle hope is always damning
forest orbit
^ thats the main point everyone is trying to make here lol
forest orbit
the greeks are afraid of us 💀
dense salmon
There's some really tender dialogue between the psyker and ogryn about hope in darktide
That's very heartwarmingb
plush mason
yeah
dense salmon
My position is that the imperium is utterly hopeless
And it should be
It's a soul-crushing regime
From its inception
But humanity is beautiful and can persevere if they leave the old ways behind
forest orbit
Your best chance is just going off to do your own thing yeah
its why I love Rogue Traders lol
plush mason
4 more days and i will be managing my trade empire as one
forest orbit
soon my friend
dense salmon
If someone has that clip of the psyker and ogryn please drop it
It's actually really nice to hear it
nocturne crest
Out of curiosity, but is Luther still loyal to the lion?
storm jungle
Is the recruitment of convicts a normal thing for the Inquisition?
Also, are t...
Read this, it gives a good explanation on your question.
But also to get into specifics, the troopers in red/black are a part of Inquisitor Grendyl's own warband yes, the only convicts are us but once you reach Level 30 you also become an official part of the warband as well, taking up the Ordo Hereticus oath and being welcomed in as a acting agent of the Throne.
dense salmon
We are the lowest rung on the ladder, operating as acolytes
tulip brook
inquisition don't train soldiers tho, they yoink trained ones
storm jungle
inquisition don't train soldiers tho, they yoink trained ones
They do train em
Normal + Stormtroopers
dense salmon
Pretty much every reject is valuable for a reason
dire apex
They’ll also pluck guardsmen and send them to the schola progenium to be trained as stormtroopers
storm jungle
They can do personal training or the schola route yeah
this kill-team book goes into a lot of things about how Inquisitors operate
dense salmon
Well "acolyte" may be a misnomer
There's no concrete rank for our status
We're just agents of the inquisition
But an official part of it
Acolyte is the generally accepted term though
storm jungle
the Inquisition/warbands usually have a general hierarchy until the author says otherwise.
dense salmon
But hadron is also an agent of the inquisition
storm jungle
so it is how it is
dense salmon
She just happens to be a priest of the mechanicum
dense salmon
Out of curiosity, but is Luther still loyal to the lion?
Lion is chasing vashtorr to the somnium stars so they're going to run into eachother
A good chunk of the fallen will probably join lion
And it's implied lion needs them
Whether or not Luther joins is a coin flip
I could be wrong though I'm not completely caught up
Luther regretted his betrayal but it's hard to say where he's aligned now after his escape
@arctic talon could probably weigh in with more detail than I can
dense salmon
😦
dense salmon
Luther's a little squirrely rn
arctic talon
but we have no clue what's up with him since he's gone completely batshit insane
dense salmon
Yeah
nocturne crest
Do you think they'll get rid of the Fallen as a faction?
nocturne crest
Like, if the Lion is recruiting Fallen again, then surely Luthor will probably be back on board. Not sure about Cypher.
dense salmon
I doubt all the fallen will rejoin
Luther might?
He regrets the betrayal but he's also legitimately crazy right now
arctic talon
how is he even still alive?
he got shoved into stasis
by the Dark angels and kept in prison
plush mason
actually. how are any of the fallen still alive? space marines dont live to be 10k years afaik
plush mason
oh so they where in the eye
green loom
It's literally different per fallen
Like Zabriel got popped out of the warp and onto the planet in a similar timeframe to Lion teleporting and waking up
Cypher's been around forever
There's hundreds who've emerged and ran to the eye
There's some serving Vortigern in the Black Lion warband under Abaddon
remote widget
Is quartermaster brunt the smartest ogryn, ever?
He can build/ repair a plasma gun
That's like high-techpriest level stuff
celest dome
Nothing say he repair them
remote widget
he kisses each weapon once before giving it to you
I demand a brunts gold star skin then
storm jungle
Is quartermaster brunt the smartest ogryn, ever?
Smarter ogryns exist so no
dense salmon
Nork deddog is literate if I'm not mistaken
Well literate may be an overstatement
He can write some things including his name and probably read some things
It does feel a little weird judging his intelligence by things like that though
He was an elite bodyguard and no doubt was a combat genius
Judging an ogryn in conventional academic intelligence is like judging a fish on how well it can climb a tree
My great uncle on my father's side owned several businesses and was very wealthy
But he was also a black man in the early 20th century
He was illiterate
But I would hardly call him unintelligent because he couldn't read or write. Most people can't even start one business let alone multiple
The ogryn in darktide have some surprisingly insightful thoughts
storm jungle
Judging an ogryn in conventional academic intelligence is like judging a fish on...
Ogryns are very much children in mentality
a lot of people forget they are not "stunted" intelligence wise, they are manipulated and kept dumb
dense salmon
I agree. They are impressionable like children are
storm jungle
Yep, Cassia is a good example
dense salmon
People can also be smart in multiple ways
storm jungle
the Darktide ogryns showcase this a lot yeah, the Bodyguard and Bully also know a lot of "smart words" and also can analyze and deconstruct situations too
my favorte has to be Bully figuring out the Water Cartel are purposefully keeping the Torrent on its knees to make the populace beg for aid
that line from him really surprised me
dense salmon
Having a simpleminded perspective on a situation can be extremely helpful sometimes
storm jungle
Yeah its why i dont really like
enjoy most ogryn stuff in 40k lol
its a bit too "haha big dumbass"
dense salmon
A lot of material describes them as incredibly animalistic
dense salmon
I would enjoy seeing more material that paints them in a less impossibly stupid way
Like I bring up a lot that the average ogryn can't understand linear time
Which is insane
It's comically improbable
Them being childlike in mental capacity has its charm but even a child can tell you the difference between morning, noon, and evening
outer wave
I hate it when some fans insist that Ogryns are vegetables that need to be told what to do or else they wont do anything
Like no, they're not lobotomized, just child-like brain
dense salmon
It's a problem with the lore itself
Like them being kept stupid by the imperium is something I totally buy
But to the point where they growl and shout incoherently like animals who aren't even lucid enough to tell you what they ate for breakfast?
It's silly
plush mason
the mere existence of the water cartel still boggles my mind lol
just the fact that you a criminal organization just focused on controlling the flow and supply of water
arctic talon
just the fact that you a criminal organization just focused on controlling the f...
It’s for clean water specifically
Or rather clean water is what they sell
They want water in general
dense salmon
Water is one of those things that is intrinsic currency. It has value no matter what. If it's in short supply, whoever controls it has the power
dire apex
A cartel in its essence is just all the suppliers of a good agreeing to keep the supply low and prices high.
arctic talon
Bottle caps being currency in 3 and 4 arguably don’t make sense lol
dire apex
You keep the supply low by threatening or killing anyone who tries to increase the supply
dense salmon
Bottle caps being currency in 3 and 4 arguably don’t make sense lol
In 1 and 2 the caps were backed by water
Caps werent a fiat currency
dense salmon
I guess the logic in 3 and 4 is new caps can't be made
arctic talon
True
dense salmon
But the caps themselves have no value
Wait no
In fallout 4
Nuka world is a thing
Also fallout new Vegas actually has other currencies which is cool
plush mason
The fuck are they backed by in 3 and 4
isnt it nukacola?
dense salmon
The ncr bills (which are backed by water) and the legion coins which are solid gold iirc
If one of the few possessions you can come by in tertium is water, it makes sense that there would be a clean water racket
Everyone needs water
arctic talon
isnt it nukacola?
I don’t see why it would be backed by nukacola, it’s a luxury product
Not something essential to life
dense salmon
Bethesda writing moment
plush mason
If one of the few possessions you can come by in tertium is water, it makes sens...
ofc. it still just gets me is all
arctic talon
The legion use actual metal coins, and the NCR is trying to transition into paper currency that’s backed by water
storm jungle
Late but also we humans will try to make a profit off of anything as long as it serves to enrich the cause of the suppliers.
like the U.S literally outlawed alcohol and the mafia started selling it back to the public at one point, and that is one example
dense salmon
The prohibition itself was meant to persecute Italian and Irish immigrants specifically too
arctic talon
Now granted long term it did reduce alcoholism lol
But also
Terrible fucking idea
dense salmon
I dont really sympathize with organized crime but the legislation shot itself in the foot
arctic talon
Same
dense salmon
Because the immigrants who could not make a living legally turned to illegal means
arctic talon
Almost anyone could see it coming as well
dense salmon
Not to mention at that time the Irish and italians were LOATHED
arctic talon
Honestly Bethesda could have just had a single throw away line about bottle caps being backed by water and like that would like solve the entire issue
Ironically FO76 has an explanation for bottlecaps
Being used
dire apex
I was taught that prohibition arised from a social movement of puritanical wives
arctic talon
It’s because of a promotion during the war
arctic talon
I was taught that prohibition arised from a social movement of puritanical wives
Also anti immigrant sentiment
dense salmon
I think the problem with 3 and 4 is the capital wasteland and commonwealth have very few organized bodies
plush mason
The prohibition itself was meant to persecute Italian and Irish immigrants speci...
yeah which is funny when you learn it was started by a women's group looking to cut down on their husbands being drunk. shows how nothing is safe from being used by others for thier own ends
dense salmon
And so the centralized currency makes even less sense
arctic talon
There was a huge push by some politicians to stop the Irish from “corrupting the nation with their alcoholism”
And it worked
dire apex
I see
dense salmon
Italians too. Italians had a big culture as drinkers and vintners
dense salmon
I dont mean drinker in a derogatory term
dense salmon
Just they have an alcoholic culture. Wine is a big thing to this day for Italians
arctic talon
Prohibition United the 2 parties at the time
Which is why it actually ended up passing lol
dense salmon
For the longest time irish and Italians weren't even considered "white"
arctic talon
Yep
But prohibition is very intresting
Regarding why and how it eventually passed
And how it started as a movement
dense salmon
I do appreciate some stories from prohibition from both sides of the law
plush mason
to say the US has only been around for like 300 something years we sure do have an insanely and complex history
dense salmon
Elliot ness representing an incorruptible public official who represented the law
plush mason
but ofc that is mainly due to a lot of people just flat out not wanting the actual history to be recorded or talked about for a lot of different reasons
dense salmon
Regardless of the morality of the law
dense salmon
Yes
arctic talon
It’s just not as old
dense salmon
I like listening to Michael franzese speak on the history of Cosa Nostra
As someone who was a part of it
His information is obviously a little biased because he doesn't want to paint himself and his friends as thugs, but he's surprisingly very candid about all of it
arctic talon
My great grandpa was a career criminal lol
dense salmon
Yeah? Where from?
dense salmon
The closest family member I had involved with crime is my grandpa al, who torched cars for the Chicago mob when he was a teen
But he moved away to Arizona and to my knowledge never was involved with crime afterwards
arctic talon
I got that threat hung over me as a kid lol
“Do you want to end up like your great grandpa”
💀
arctic talon
Yeah? Where from?
Actually I guess Taiwan lol
Since that’s where he got stabbed to death in
arctic talon
My grandparents on my moms side did not like him
But I never met him
So I can’t say
arctic talon
All his kids ended up not following his life of crime
Unsurprisingly
He was abusive according to my grandpa
green loom
I don't like looking at my family history
You go back some 3 gens and we're Germans
In an area the Germans took direct control over in WW2
arctic talon
dense salmon
My girlfriend's great grandfather on her father's side was a soldier in the German army during ww2
But we don't know much about him
green loom
Supposedly my great grandmother's two brothers joined the Wehrmacht
Or the SS
One of the two
dense salmon
Her mother's side are all Irish immigrants who actually became politicians and businessmen in the area
green loom
Both died fighting Russians iirc
dense salmon
Developed Philadelphia and Maryland a lot apparently
She's more proud of her Irish half for obvious reasons
arctic talon
The 2 sides of my families grandparents don’t get along
Mostly since one half is Japanese and the other half is ethnically chinese
dense salmon
I tell people not to be ashamed of what their ancestors did
We're different people today
arctic talon
Well that isn’t what my grandparents think 💀
dense salmon
We had nothing to do with it, you know?
arctic talon
Yeah
green loom
I tell people not to be ashamed of what their ancestors did
The ones I'd be ashamed of are dead or died way before I was born so not an issue
dense salmon
There you go
I dont know much about my mom's half
I know I have a distant ancestor who was a Swiss doctor that was put in a prison camp during ww2
green loom
I'm way cooler than them, I'm like their generals playing their little wargames
arctic talon
I choose to not think about what my mothers side did
It’s better that way anyways
dense salmon
I'm thankful that most of my relatives were decent people
My grandpa al brushed up against organized crime but it stopped in his adulthood. That's pretty much as far as it went
But if they were gangsters and killers, I'd still try my best to lead a good life
dense salmon
I'm sure if you go far back enough in my ancestry you'd find someone who was fucked up
arctic talon
True
dense salmon
But who knows?
arctic talon
But that applies to any person
dense salmon
Yeah
The worst i can say is a lot of the guys on my dad's side were alcoholics
So I tend to abstain from alcohol
green loom
Artistry runs in the family for me I think
dense salmon
Thats something to be proud of
green loom
Grandpa's a carpenter and uncle's a musician
So ig it's pretty blatant where I got that from
dense salmon
For me they were all soldiers or sailors lol
arctic talon
All my grandparents beat kids 💀
green loom
Small Town so the wider world may as well not exist
arctic talon
I love East Asian education
(hell)
even when my parents grew up corpral punishment was still super common in schools
dire apex
All mine were coal miners who became farmers after their time in ww2 was done
arctic talon
they'd beat the people who scored the worse on a exam with a Rattan stick
dense salmon
Isn't it funny we got here from the water cartels? Lol
What enriching conversation does to mfs
arctic talon
Lol
green loom
Life when no meme chat
storm jungle
Isn't it funny we got here from the water cartels? Lol
Meanwhile if this was any other 40k server
dense salmon
erm... this isn't 40k lore...
arctic talon
I wonder why the Atoman Enforcers look so much like necromunda ones
storm jungle
Probably because the model team didn't have much to work with
same with how their sigil is EXACTLY the necromunda one, just with two towers
green loom
That's the two spires of tertium though
@storm jungle you've read Maledictum right?
As in, the RPG's sourcebook?
storm jungle
<@166943308231344128> you've read Maledictum right?
Yeah whats up
storm jungle
compact kelp
this is a stub gun in 40K
LOOK AT ME. LOOK AT ME. 40 MILLION WORLD WARS, SON.
young bolt
this is a stub gun in 40K
Is the 1911 still in deployment in 40k?
Im sure theres probably one lying around somewhere
young bolt
Tatter tots?
vale fjord
Idk
young bolt
Well you see
vale fjord
Yes I see
young bolt
Tatter tots are the combination of potato mashed into a small cylinder like shape and from there they are cooked in an oven for the crispy texture they are known for, as for where they have come from that is something beyond my knowledge (Probably made by Jonny 'tatter' Tot in his kitchen when he was bored) but they are a well known delicacy to all of us especially when combined with a burger and goes great with some ketchup
As for ogryns? idk they big and strong lmao
young bolt
Taters are potatoes but in a fancy name
Oh.... 
soft thunder
What's the lore behind ogryns and taters
ogryns like to eat the potato skins after they peel them
vale fjord
Now thats an ogryn moment
dusk patrol
Hey now frying up some potato skins is good eating
soft thunder
have you ever heard the story of Gav and Bob?
https://youtu.be/aR9-HVlYfrk?si=m1XMdBV6M-VR2EGr it might be fanfic but it lives in my heart as cannon
dusk patrol
vale fjord
have you ever heard the story of Gav and Bob?
Oh yeah I have
Slipped out of my head tho
The tater question popped up after watching the "true ogryn geezer" vid a coupla times
dense salmon
winged jacinth
this is a stub gun in 40K
Of all the scifi settings to have 1911s still kicking around 40k is by far the most believable
dusk patrol
What’s a 1911? That’s clearly a stub pistol you ingrate.
grave sparrow
Samuel Colt was clearly the God Emperor.
After all, it fires God's Caliber
He was also John Browning because I'm fairly certain the heavy stubbers are still the ma duece, just later versions and kitted out
rose thorn
tulip brook
yeah looks like standard plaguebearer skull
rose thorn
It’s so weird that there are demon bones
I know if it’s like, a full on demon takes over you can get them
But I can’t imagine it’s that common
tulip brook
urban spire
monocular vision and a single horn are relatively common nurgle mutations
daemons don't have bones that can be left behind, they are made of warp stuff, which means they can't even die in the materium, they just return to the warp
tulip brook
nws, skulls set has bloodletter skulls too
median marsh
Demon bodies are kinda weird
They sorta do leave stuff behind but also don't, it's inconsistent
Prime example from darktide is Beast, it both dissolves AND leaves behind some chunks
storm jungle
^
median marsh
Official art also doesnt help because you get images of dead daemons which don't vanish
storm jungle
Daemon bones and shit basically only get left behind when its for plot reasons
or like
"Yeah sorry Bubonicus this inquisitor needs your skull for something."
leaves bones behind when it dies
tulip brook
maybe they leave their skulls to be polite for khorne worshippers ❤️
median marsh
My personal guess is that area is so saturated with corruption it let's demonic stuff remain in trace amounts
queen laurel
Daemon bones and shit basically only get left behind when its for plot reasons
and if i recall in age of sigmar, ogres developed a way to preserve daemon meat
median marsh
Also fun fact, if you look into the incubators during the mission, you can see a humanoid shape
queen laurel
they even eat the damn thing
median marsh
Made out of plague gunk
storm jungle
yeah its great lmao
median marsh
Imagine being so hungry you manage to find a way to eat something that has no physical body
Me at 3 am
tulip brook
I just realized, plaguebearers are painted green and bloodletters are painted red in the box 🤔
thank you amazon
median marsh
Barbies own skull collection
spare osprey
and if i recall in age of sigmar, ogres developed a way to preserve daemon meat
The nids need to take notes
storm jungle
Barbies own skull collection
This Barbie is here to take your skulls for the skull-throne
queen laurel
The nids need to take notes
nah let them starve i say
queen laurel
This Barbie is here to take your skulls for the skull-throne
I have seen many things of my life but this one is definitely up there
tulip sand
Speaking of corruption
Zola got stabbed by a blade right
And in dan cabinets gaunts ghosts series someone got corrupted when a shard from a chaos effigy or blade cut their neck/shoulder area
versed ledge
So are plague bearers easy to kill?
celest dome
This Barbie is here to take your skulls for the skull-throne
I don't dislike that tbh
celest dome
So are plague bearers easy to kill?
Depend
storm jungle
And in dan cabinets gaunts ghosts series someone got corrupted when a shard from...
Yeah but it was just a normal knife
chaos effigy corruption knives are like mcguffins that only Generic Evil Cultist Villains use
ala Erebus lol
tulip sand
I mean it could explain why everyones like "uhh zolas moving mad bruv"
median marsh
No ones really saying she's mad though
Rannick thinks she's too obsessed with wolfer
tulip sand
Theyre saying shes acting up
queen laurel
No ones really saying she's mad though
she seems to have just done something along the classic lines of
They're doing nothing so I'm going to do this one myself
median marsh
psyker says she has internal conflict going on
queen laurel
yeah her emotions are getting the better of her basically
tulip sand
Maybe the inquisition also has a big winter break like fatshark
tulip sand
yeah her emotions are getting the better of her basically
So if there was something funky about the knife it would make that worse right
median marsh
the knife was basically a plot device
"hey you saved me therefore I'm not executing you on sight" deal
median marsh
her catching disease from it would be fitting for a Nurgle faction but it would also become 1:1 copy of the traitor arc
(for context the traitor person presumably catches something on one of the cutscenes before she turned traitor as she is seen shaking and feverish)
storm jungle
Yeah this
she isnt going traitor
She just obviously has a vendetta
also 100% feels responsible for letting Wolfer escape on her watch onboard the Tancred Bastion
queen laurel
She just obviously has a vendetta
Yeah in the first place her staying in the ship for that amount of time would have definitely made others sick but they didn't get sick
median marsh
She was supposed to deliver him straight to Grendyl judging by the dialogue
storm jungle
Yep
median marsh
Here's a random thought, what if she's not just randomly running about but getting ordered by Grendyl directly, they have no obligation to notify Rannick
green loom
Inquisitors do do weird stuff like that sometimes
Would explain why she fucked off so quick
median marsh
Just a personal thought since she technically also directly reports to Grendyl
Even if rannick outranks her
green loom
They probably report to Rannick directly
Atm
interrogators tend to take provisional command when the inquisitor isn't present
lapis crane
Inquisitors answer to nobody if he not present the interrogators answer to no one but their inquisitor
also can custodes out rank the high lord
lapis crane
oh yeah right they just do thier own shit
now with guliman and lion back
guliman still in total command or they will put both of them in the same rank?
green loom
Guilliman is regent
And Lion isn't in contact with the wider imperium yet
But it'll probably mimick their setup in Secundus
With guilliman running things state-wise and Lion having overall command of the military
lapis crane
but if they let the lion in running state wise kinda fuck
green loom
Why would they
lapis crane
he will just murder everything
green loom
They're not that stupid, and they've done this before
lapis crane
but even if guliman want to put him in that role lion would refuse
lion now kinda calmer than back then
green loom
He didn't refuse military command last time
lapis crane
i must say lion didnt kill bunch of lunatic and burn some church is shocking me
he really more calm after a snap
Knight of Nihilus what is that?
a tittle?
green loom
Yes
median marsh
Nihilus (Imperium Nihilus in full) is the half of imperium behind the chaos rift
green loom
He's running around Nihilus helping random battlefields atm
tulip brook
iirc literally running around because he can teleport to "where he is needed the most"
spare osprey
Knight of Nihilus what is that?
It’s the one the imperium has given him as he’s returned
Chaos calls him the Flawed Knight
lapis crane
after re watch 10 edition trailer
the nid really come in full
they fucked blue berry likeit was nothing
so guliman have to deal with the nid and the chaos at the same time
lapis crane
right now nid have a death star
the chaos run around doing slaanesh shit
the high lord are sweating right now
lapis crane
main quartz
versed ledge
Aww it looks cute, what the hell is it?
dire apex
So that’s a catachan coconut? Or some other explosive catachan wildlife
plush mason
i cant remember their name but that is a toad that when you scare them they explode release a cloud of poison that can kill everyone in a 5 kilometer radius
dire apex
Ah so the ladder
plush mason
yes
plush mason
Catachan Barking Toad
its got one hell of a bark
arctic talon
you mean this?
It’s frog the jam from yugioh
Wait no
Nvm lol
Yeah I have no clue where the fuck they got that image cutout from
celest dome
It's cute
arctic talon
It is
celest dome
I live to help
warm notch
When you’re mean to me this is what you’re being mean to
storm jungle
spring cairn
keen nova
Imagine if Cadia wasn't in front of the eye of Terror and the most iconic guard regiment was the ultramar auxilia. That would be hilarious
green loom
The auxilia weren't a guard regiment
storm jungle
yeah they were the Imperial Army before Regiments became the mainstay
keen nova
The auxilia weren't a guard regiment
I fixed it lol
keen nova
yeah they were **the** Imperial Army before Regiments became the mainstay
My bad, fixed it
storm jungle
shut up the ultramar auxilia are cool
green loom
Yeah but they aren't a regiment
keen nova
Wait, are they a PDF?
green loom
Yeah
keen nova
Hold up
green loom
It's the collective name for all pdfs in the realm of Ultramar
Since they're one of those mini-empires you can find here and there
Like our very own Moebian Domain
keen nova
They've deployed as a regiment before. Even though they don't have to.
They are a legit regiment? Ha! I wonder what they think of Cadia? And vise versa. Would the ultramar types be upset they they aren't the best?
It would be funny if the ultramarines started personally training them so the they could make the best guard regiment just for the clout.
storm jungle
I think the Ultramar Aux would just care about their own wide space more than anything else, most Ultramarians in general already see themselves as a second mini-empire.
green loom
But they aren't a traditional guard group
green loom
All their planets are marine worlds
keen nova
They are a legit regiment? Ha! I wonder what they think of Cadia? And vise versa...
Of course, there's already a good roman themed regiment out there...
storm jungle
they are really cool
storm jungle
Yeah thats the fate of you being in an RPG book
rocky gale
Not much lore about them though
storm jungle
Oh they got tons
its just not included in wikis usually
the RPG gets into them a lot but they are just a side-piece
keen nova
I think the Ultramar Aux would just care about their own wide space more than an...
And that is why Cadia is better!
green loom
Like most things in the RPGs 99% of it is defined just enough for you to elaborate on them in a campaign in a way that works for you
storm jungle
^
keen nova
And **that** is why Cadia is better!
I mean, they have deployed outward before but like-it ain't much
green loom
Those are mostly nearby
Calth and Sotha were both part of the 500 worlds
The Plague wars were in the north of ultramar
I forget where octarius is
And we ignore the War of the Beast
rocky gale
Severan Dominate are cool though, we ended up interacting with them in a Rogue Trader campaign once.
plush mason
I think the Ultramar Aux would just care about their own wide space more than an...
is their sector made up of the mini imperium papa smurf had made before the crusade found him?
keen nova
Honestly, I wouldn't mind either of these two Roman themed regiments uniforms in darktide. Although it would make a zero sense.
storm jungle
It makes about as much sense as us getting Krieg skins
if Fatshark gets GW's approval they'll get added in
keen nova
Honestly, I wouldn't mind either of these two Roman themed regiments uniforms in...
I still want my standard issue Cadian gear! 
keen nova
It makes about as much sense as us getting Krieg skins
I mean we are sending in suicide squads..
storm jungle
We arent a suicide squad
green loom
is their sector made up of the mini imperium papa smurf had made before the crus...
It was reduced to some 50 worlds after the Heresy
storm jungle
the other rejects are tho
spring cairn
well we start as one
green loom
But it's been restored tothe original 500 as of Dark Imperium
rocky gale
Me and the First Mate secretly supplied them with a Chapters worth of Cryofrozen Marines we'd stolen from one of Cawl's secret Primaris hubs, fun times.
green loom
With the Tetrarchy reinstated
storm jungle
rogue tarder vessel and all
Brahms has a voiceline where she literally says if you want to join her crew you just need to ask which is wholesome af
keen nova
It makes about as much sense as us getting Krieg skins
It makes sense in that it makes money 
storm jungle
It makes sense in that it makes money <:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180926>
THATS LITERALLY WHAT I SAID
keen nova
Monies good
green loom
Lore never matters
Unless they're selling lore, which sometimes happens
storm jungle
spring cairn
Brahms has a voiceline where she literally says if you want to join her crew you...
i don't know when she'll get to be in the hub, i don't think it'll be with the upcoming patch
storm jungle
Yeah no
it will be in a bigger patch deffo
the carnival is just her current introduction
arctic talon
Brahms has a voiceline where she literally says if you want to join her crew you...
thats only if she likes you heh
spring cairn
she's more likeable than hallowette, it helps because i hated her by association before hearing the lines
spring cairn
i want to put her in a meat grinder
celest dome
The one I dislike the most is Zolla tbh
storm jungle
we had to ban a few people because they were being uhhh
very violent and racist about her in gen-chat
||one also included a sexual assault comment which was uhhhh||
green loom
I dislike Hadron's voice
keen nova
||one also included a sexual assault comment which was uhhhh||
Grimdark
green loom
I like more or less everyone else
spring cairn
they hated her because she's the prenium shopkeeper but i just hate her because she's written to be a prick
green loom
My favourite is Vinny
storm jungle
they hated her because she's the prenium shopkeeper but i just hate her because ...
She barely acts rude to the strike team tho
like almost 90% of the time shes just sleezy
spring cairn
yes because she wants the goods
storm jungle
I mean
thats literally every announcer
💀
"If you don't kill the target don't bother coming back"
spring cairn
she's as opportunistic and double faced as they come
storm jungle
thanks Morrow
storm jungle
she's as opportunistic and double faced as they come
yeah thats her job
meanwhile Hadron is a cunt too yet nobody hates her because "uwu techpriest mommy"
meanwhile she looks like she crawled out of the chernobyl reactor
green loom
I'll kill everyone for Vinny Morrow
storm jungle
same
Morrow is very supportive
Zola is too but just has no character behind it
Morrow is legit peak Team Dad
storm jungle
Gamers when anyone acts rude to them 💀
spring cairn
old war veteran reliable man
celest dome
I just want Brunt as a Vocator that replace Hadron during the Auspex/decription parts sometime
forest orbit
yeah minus the store stuff i love Hallowette
her dialogue when she just always tells Melk to stfu is great
forest orbit
hes a twat
spring cairn
they're both annoying
rocky gale
I like all of them
green loom
"STAY NEAR THE SERVO SKULL, DONT LOSE THE SERVO SKULL, WHY ARE YOU NOT AT THE SERVO SKULL, LOOK AFTER THE SERVO SKULL, WHY ARE YOU NOT UPLOADING TO THE SERVO SKULL"
forest orbit
I like all of them
true heresy 💀
green loom
SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP
storm jungle
"STAY NEAR THE SERVO SKULL, DONT LOSE THE SERVO SKULL, WHY ARE YOU NOT AT THE SE...
Hadron needs to just fuck off yeah
arctic talon
Thats what makes it great
rocky gale
They're all my friends
arctic talon
"friend"
normal light
Someone straight up spamming on vox-channel: SHUT UP, SILENCE YOUR SELF.....
celest dome
I want Brunt to tell us the same orders but it a really simplistic way
spring cairn
Masowzki calls hadron "clanky" in the hub
spring cairn
debatable
celest dome
Oh obv, and I would do the same in their situation
spring cairn
Rannick definitely would
arctic talon
Zola, Hadron, Morrow, Melk, Hallowete all are absolutely yes imo
spring cairn
I don't think morrow would
arctic talon
I think he would
spring cairn
the rest sure
normal light
Rannick definitely would
They all treat you like a meat shield you are
normal light
cause, you are their meat shield, technically
arctic talon
from a practical standpoint I think it would be silly for him to not use us to catch a bullet