just watv=ched the carnival cinematic trailer, the heretics takes prisoners
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versed ledge
arctic talon
just watv=ched the carnival cinematic trailer, the heretics takes prisoners
You can find their tortured to death bodies
In the distillery lol
versed ledge
oh....shit
dense salmon
old death guard, when they were more horned zombie men and less big fat tentacle dudes
arctic talon
old death guard, when they were more horned zombie men and less big fat tentacle...
Nah old death guard looked
versed ledge
thought they converted them or POW status
dense salmon
arctic talon
arctic talon
Tbh they’re still pretty gross imo
Could do with more rotted flesh
But meh
Death guard have had like 4 different aesthetics now
storm jungle
It was also a case of uh
GW just not being really good at sculpts
or wanting to try new shit
arctic talon
Tbh I liked their older stuff
storm jungle
thats why this stuff is Forgeworld to begin with
arctic talon
Also they still have like
The old aesthetic as well lore wise
It’s just a different uh subgroup? now
Plague cohort
Yeah that
dense salmon
the death guard are still cool
arctic talon
tbh this was the main like page art in the DG codex lol
its got that forgeworld DG look
also this one
I sort of wish we also got the more industrial looking Plague Marines as a dif like unit almost?
idk
arctic talon
tbh
dense salmon
extremely comedic
arctic talon
its the paint scheme imo
storm jungle
Nah
arctic talon
its super bright
storm jungle
its deffo the minis
arctic talon
you can def make them more intimidating imo
storm jungle
I love the DG range but yeah they are way too comedy
dense salmon
imagine some big fat green fuck waddling towards you as your flesh sloughs off the bone and you turn into mushrooms
it's pure comedy
arctic talon
ehhh there's def some stuff I think isn't super comedic
but there's def some uh
dogshit
dense salmon
they're still cool though
the big potbellies have grown on me
and they're a blast to paint
arctic talon
this motherfucker
storm jungle
Yeah its also like
storm jungle
if you saw any of these IRL/artwork you'd just be horrified
with the minis its definitely more "haha these guys are so silly"
dense salmon
this motherfucker
lmao
arctic talon
if you saw any of these IRL/artwork you'd just be horrified
with the minis its ...
Tbh the minis in general all are kinda cute lol
storm jungle
this motherfucker
Average COVID Denier
storm jungle
Tbh the minis in general all are kinda cute lol
dense salmon
the family guy nurgling
arctic talon
felthus has a goofy head
dense salmon
CHAOS FILTH
arctic talon
but its easy to change out lol
dense salmon
but then this guy also exists so
this could be less goofy with different paint on the head
arctic talon
Yeah
the paint scheme of death guard imo def lean into the
less horrifying side?
They're very bright compared to most of their codex art
arctic talon
Its also just a bit hard to make plastic toys look scary
Yeah but they're my toy soldiers
and I love them
heh
storm jungle
arctic talon
but yeah its hard to make plastic look scary lol
storm jungle
yeah it depends lol
arctic talon
to make it look disgusting is a lot easier
storm jungle
yeee
arctic talon
at least at the scale 40k is at
its pretty hard to make something look uber creepy imo
dense salmon
but then this guy also exists so
hit this thing with a fuckload of agrax earthshade
and it'd instantly be wayyyy more horror
arctic talon
the community generally paints Deathguard darker lol
Death guard are one of few armies I'd say has a paint scheme thats too bright
dense salmon
the community generally paints Deathguard darker lol
yeah see this is great
arctic talon
not nearly gross enough
dense salmon
arctic talon
I just think its kinda funny base CSM arguably look dirtier
then death guard
the metals just look more worn I think
dense salmon
there was a battle report i saw that had this beautiful kharn the betrayer kitbash
lemme see if i can find it
nocturne crest
Do you think Forgeworld will eventually disappear?
green loom
Found a nice review
arctic talon
That is a beautiful kharn
dense salmon
it's gorgeous man
arctic talon
soyjack CSM
dense salmon
i love it
arctic talon
dense salmon
LMAO
arctic talon
idk why this art is funny as shit to me
dusk patrol
“Fuck it we ball”
dusk patrol
“Charge them men, they can’t take all of us!”
“Why can’t they take all of us?”
“Hmmm…good point.”
storm jungle
The zoanthropes also like
got mad muppet energy
"Yo bros look at this."
"AAAA-"
dense salmon
them getting ragdolled is so fucking funny
storm jungle
Literally Brain vs Brawn
dense salmon
apes together strong
dense salmon
depends on the regiment and context, but in most organized militaries even in the real world you wouldn't want to carry more than your standard kit
that shit weighs lol
green loom
Ye
dense salmon
my dad would tell me funny stories about his deployments and how he wouldn't even put a sight on his m4 because what he was carrying was already heavy enough
green loom
You'll have groups like the brotnians who'll happily carry like 9 swords on them at once
But that's an exception
dense salmon
the savlar chem dogs will legit carry whatever they can
whatever is useful or valuable
sacred ginkgo
You'll have groups like the brotnians who'll happily carry like 9 swords on them...
nine swords is less than 50 pounds though
green loom
Yeah but it's a lot of space
sacred ginkgo
unless they are all giant in which case that changes
green loom
Plus guard gear and their scabbards
sacred ginkgo
Plus guard gear and their scabbards
the 50 pounds is accounting for all the stuff to carry the swords
dense salmon
how much does flak armor weigh?
lasguns and charge packs are probably pretty lightweight
compared to standard ammunition
arctic talon
how much does flak armor weigh?
I don’t think we know
dense salmon
it's pretty universally described as "light"
but what does that mean
light compared to carapace/ceramite??
undone zodiac
Id assumes in range of modern fragmentation vests
green loom
Considering it's a mostly solid chest plate that's semi metallic
I'd assume it's pretty heavy by our standards
zenith sinew
What's that from, one of the WH+ shows?
storm jungle
What's that from, one of the WH+ shows?
Scroll up
dusk patrol
it's pretty universally described as "light"
Worth noting too that it varies in how much they wear and what it’s made of
So yeah, who the fuck knows
radiant lance
Tbh, light armour is oxymoronic since density is what determines penetration of a projectile and penetration resistance
Denser things penetrate more and get penetrated less
Newtons impact theory
dusk patrol
I don’t think light and heavy armor have to do with density in this context, more relative weight
radiant lance
Interesting fact:
Until you get to relativistic shenanigans, how far you penetrate into a material is limited by density and the length of the projectile, so the speed at which you penetrate an object only determines how efficiently you can reach your maximum theoretical of penetration
dusk patrol
Flak is lighter to carry than carapace typically
radiant lance
I don’t think light and heavy armor have to do with density in this context, mor...
Relative weight implies density
Less dense means easier to penetrate
dusk patrol
Yes congrats
If something is stronger it’s stronger
But in this case they’re not even necessarily made of that same materials
Carapace armor is more a designation for a level of protection
There’s lighter better made versions of it and heavier ones
Heavier cruder ones typically
Flak is similar
Although basically always cheaper
They’re not all made of the same thing or the same way but there’s a standard of protection they tend to give
tulip brook
conservation of momentum yada yada penetration is directly related with mass and velocity but it's not that simple isn't it? lattice structure, elasticity and how the material disperses power matters. eg. kevlar is better for the job than steel. since we are talking about fantasy material, "who the fuck knows" is a good answer. Just suspend your disbelief and roll with how it works and feels in game.
dusk patrol
Yeah I’m no scientist, but I think I understand that if something is harder to penetrate then it typically makes it better armor
Not exactly a complex topic
echo vault
If you could create a new kind of eldar aspect warrior what would it be
dusk patrol
Uh
Idk I feel like they got all the good ideas covered
Maybe the Fidget Spinners
They just spin around
tulip brook
Floating bees, melee focused all power fist wielding warriors
celest dome
We have 3 that aren't known:
Crystal Dragons
Slicing Orbs of Zandros
Ebon Talons
dusk patrol
Sting like bees
celest dome
Floating bees, melee focused all power fist wielding warriors
Isn't that basically what the Warp Spider already are ?
drifting jacinth
The crystal dragons hopefully focus on being tanky
I don't respect xenos who can't take a punch
celest dome
I'd do
Slicing Orbs of Zandros -> Sniper like or maybe some sort of pet controller
Ebon Talons -> Assassin like (Poison and stuff)
tulip brook
Isn't that basically what the Warp Spider already are ?
they teleport and use powerblades. I want them to float and punch
echo vault
I'm surprised there isn't someone with an upscaled version of this but how big do you need your neuron deleting gun to be
You can model a dual wielding neuro disruptor figure with the felarch model and the harlequin troupe but I doubt that has rules
arctic talon
If you could create a new kind of eldar aspect warrior what would it be
I’d like to see them flesh out the pilot ones personally
They’re an entire group you never see lol
coarse pumice
Slicing Orbs were the example of a niche aspect only on one Craftworld
stray bluff
tulip sand
How do feudal worlds work in 40k
Like its literally medieval there right, so what do they contribute as a tithe?
I cant imagine its manpower if their medical system is feudal tier too, or agriculture since their harvesting methods would be pre-industrial and wouldnt contribute much
storm jungle
Like its literally medieval there right, so what do they contribute as a tithe?
Literally anything.
storm jungle
I cant imagine its manpower if their medical system is feudal tier too, or agric...
Their tech remains mostly advanced while their society does not.
median marsh
They have stuff like meds iirc
tulip sand
So just government thats feudal
storm jungle
Depends from planet to planet.
Point of feudal worlds is theres no point in advancing them to another civilizational stage since their only use is either manpower or planetary supplies.
these people will basically work for generations and only see imperial ships show up like 2-4 times in their life to gather the stuff they made
tulip sand
Thats wild
storm jungle
Yeah basically
when you think something is stupid in the Imperium its basically half the point.
its not suppose to be a functioning or good society
queen laurel
these people will basically work for generations and only see imperial ships sho...
Yeah imagine being a feudal world peasant and seeing an imperial knight pull up
They would die of a heart attack
storm jungle
Very much so lol
median marsh
"dad! The sky gods you told us about are here!"
storm jungle
gets his house crushed by one 💀
tulip sand
How do they prevent the natural progression of society then
Since with feudal systems there are a lot of smaller states since its hard to govern larger areas
storm jungle
Keeping the populace stupid and compliant.
If they get too smart for their own good a little genocidal-crackdown also works lol
remember that they just tell these people to not think and just work and work until they die
median marsh
Can always throw an orbital strike and say it was emperors wrath for defiance
(or just eliminate the offenders all together, life in imperium is extremely cheap)
queen laurel
Yeah manipulating the education system is one of the bread and butter of the imperial propaganda after all
median marsh
kinda like irl
storm jungle
LMAO
queen laurel
~~kinda like irl~~
median marsh
I would say more but thatd become politic talk and I hate politics
(and also against server rules)
stray bluff
Anyone decoded this?
storm jungle
Explicator Zola Dispatched at something
soft thunder
zola going rambo mode and we gonna save her ass again, but this time she will be pinned to a wall with an even bigger knife
median marsh
Theorycrafting has been trying to crack it the entire day
soft thunder
nothing really to decode, far as i can tell, but I'm no brain boy
rocky gale
"Disp at orr" is obviously "dispatched at Korriban", it's a Star Wars crossover event
storm jungle
💀
storm jungle
Theorycrafting has been trying to crack it the entire day
I just took a peek
jesus christ these people are legit smoking stuff
median marsh
Fun times
soft thunder
so has no one notice the new sefoni prologue cutscene? couldn't find it posted anywhere online lol
storm jungle
wait WHAT
soft thunder
"zola has a psychic twin"
obviously genestealers
soft thunder
it's just a closeup of talking to sefoni for like 20s
storm jungle
booo
soft thunder
ya just a snippet of a cutscene rly
got some runes or something. maybe scarification of the runes
and lots of shackles
earnest snow
How do they prevent the natural progression of society then
Showing some ankle cus fuedal worlds love ankles
soft thunder
ya there was a foot reveal
earnest snow
That or the typical slap on the forehead
dense salmon
does anyone else curate drip for each of their builds?
like i won't even try a build if i don't have a good outfit for it
soft thunder
is there any other way to play?
warm notch
"zola has a psychic twin"
I seriously don’t understand that one lmao
What Psyker says about there being two Zolas reads more like a metaphor than an actual thing
dense salmon
It reads like jungian psychology tbh
The idea that every person has a "shadow" representing the darker aspects of their personalities that they suppress either consciously or unconsciously
median marsh
Dressing your character to look cool is nice
And is basically the end game for quite a lot of people actually
warm notch
The idea that every person has a "shadow" representing the darker aspects of the...
It’s definitely not outside the realm of possibility for Zola to be possessed or a genestealer or whatever the fuck
It’s just highly unlikely
earnest snow
I really like my "downtown hive city" zealot outfit too much to do another outfit atm
Been that way for months
warm notch
I really like my "downtown hive city" zealot outfit too much to do another outfi...
You can’t say that and not show us
earnest snow
I need to shower first then I'll show the drip drip
Also Zola is part of the Alpha Legion
median marsh
Zola is actually Omegon
keen nova
Looking back at her like
keen nova
Driptide is the true endgame
Frfr
soft thunder
It’s definitely not outside the realm of possibility for Zola to be possessed or...
and the necron mindshackle scarabs in morrow's head?
warm notch
and the necron mindshackle scarabs in morrow's head?
Just a Tuesday for Cousin Okri
rocky gale
Explicator Zola is actually an anagram of Alpharius
warm notch
Explicator Zola backwards is Aloz Rotacilpxe which doesn’t make sense. This is a reference to the Veteran talent tree.
crisp heath
Honestly I feel like the most likely answer is that Zola has a personal connection to the traitors (friend or relative of wolfer maybe?) And the inquisition mind wiped that relationship so she wouldn't defect
So she's not aware that she has this secret relationship, but maybe on a subconscious level there's some conflict about what she's doing
I honestly don't know how people get genestealers from the "two zolas" thing because like, genestealers don't know they're genestealers but they do know their religion isn't "allowed"
Like she is an Atoman local, it makes sense that she knows someone in the Moebian 6th or the cult
warm notch
Honestly I feel like the most likely answer is that Zola has a personal connecti...
Familial 👀
green loom
Honestly I feel like the most likely answer is that Zola has a personal connecti...
She's Atoman, they're Atoman
They escaped under her watch = pressure to remedy
crisp heath
Honestly it's so up in the air right now, there's a ton of reasons why she could have left. Imo it's likely not good, but who knows.
warm notch
She needed some fresh air
crisp heath
And the genestealer bit is fairly out, that was only a thing because people thought this recent update would add a new faction and some of the voxs were skewed or misunderstood to imply it.
And because Zola is inherently kinda untrustworthy
warm notch
Why was she seemingly spared from death on the Tancred Bastion?
crisp heath
Which sucks cause she's the one who helped us, but yeah, that
warm notch
Which sucks cause she's the one who helped us, but yeah, that
Drama
crisp heath
Yep yep
warm notch
Something something “superhero trope where conflict happens around people they personally know” something something
soft thunder
And because Zola is inherently kinda untrustworthy
i wouldn't say zola is untrustworthy, the rejects repeatadly say how much they like her and would follow her into battle etc. They only concern about Zola is her mysterious past in Tertium, which may or may not amount to be anything.
crisp heath
I mean as a character, not as her person. We as the audience can feel something shady from her that someone in uni might not
crisp heath
🤣
soft thunder
i'd wager she is trying to prove herself to grendyl/rannick and redeem her past failures or sins. I don't think she is set on returning to smuggling/gangs/freedom fighter/whatever she used to do before th inquisition.
or recent failures of letting wolfer go
crisp heath
Like i said, could be any number of reason, including that one or some other positive ones. I just don't think so. Or if it is, it still doesn't end well for her
Warhammer doesn't usually have nice happy endings lol
tulip brook
letting him go as in barely surviving an ambush, not entirely her fault isn't it
crisp heath
I don't think leadership really cares about fault so much as results
Like, you're at fault even if it's not your fault type thing
soft thunder
either way her primary story beat is her sincere care for the city of Tertium and she has a personal vendetta against the traitors because of this.
crisp heath
This is very true
tulip brook
my bet is; she's local, she must have some personal grudge she has to settle. we either save her ass as she gets captured or we kill her target with her and have a party in mourningstar
crisp heath
My bet; it has nothing to do with her being local. It has everything to do with her connection specifically to wolfer. And whether or not her intentions are positive or not, whether she is trying to make up for past mistakes or some sort of redemption, or this is some sort of traitor move, (which I kinda doubt. I don't see her outright doing something traitorous), this will not end well for her. What I think is she goes, and somehow she is infected by Nurgle. And that is the Traitor's Curse. She is forcibly corrupted.
tulip brook
all in all, I'm sure someone from fatshark reading these wild speculations and have an amusing time
crisp heath
Or scared shitless that one of us is right lol
storm jungle
And the genestealer bit is fairly out, that was only a thing because people thou...
Okay so one thing ill say
NOTHING in anything in this game is implying genestealers are coming
The community is just smoking crack and gaslighting itself
green loom
But Dilara don't you know Zola actually has a psyker twin
dusk patrol
**NOTHING** in anything in this game is implying genestealers are coming
I don’t think it’s strong but the reference to the other hive could definitely lead to that
Plus mostly beyond just adding another chaos faction, it is by far the easiest new faction to add down the line story wise. Plus it’s mostly human dudes with a few xenos monsters.
That all being said, I don’t think it’s “around the corner” or anything
It’s probably years away if it ever comes
soft thunder
the community is attempting to manifest it into reality via law of attraction and warp belief
crisp heath
@storm jungle I agree. Just saying that's where the idea she was a genestealer came from. People wanted them, convinced themselves things implied they were coming, and lumped her into the theory because things with her are weird
Typical 40k Fandom honestly.
winged jacinth
I'll die before i give up my theory that the next class is jokaero
crisp heath
Ngl I thought it'd be dope. But yeah, there was never anything concrete, and the new update basically made the whole theory crash and burn
@winged jacinth what's a jokaero?
tulip brook
monke
crisp heath
Elaborate? Please?
median marsh
Orangutans but even smarter
crisp heath
Are they like the cat people but monkeys?
winged jacinth
median marsh
essentially
theyre a highly tech adept xeno race, believed to be created by the old ones
crisp heath
Nah that looks way more animalistic than the cat people
winged jacinth
They're not human and they arent sapient but somehow they're great engineers
Therefore
crisp heath
They are legit xenos and not abhumans?
median marsh
winged jacinth
They're alien but they're not sapient enough to be properly xenos
crisp heath
They're not human and they arent sapient but somehow they're great engineers
I'm going to need this explained... how can they be one and not be the other...
winged jacinth
They don't have language or culture afaik
Its kind of like orks
But with only the intrinsic technical knowledge, cranked up to 11
crisp heath
Not sapient but can build things doesn't make sense. Nah even the orks can think and are sentient, sapient beings...
green loom
Mumkeeyeyeryeryreyeeye
median marsh
its warhammer
crisp heath
How can something not be sentient but create mechanics?
median marsh
nothing makes sense
green loom
Muscle memory/innate understanding of technology
median marsh
you have psychic bugs that lay eggs into your head by magic bullshit
winged jacinth
They're not really animals, more like biological weapons created by ancient aliens
green loom
It's like how you can look at a stick and think "Hmm, can make sharp"
crisp heath
There's no such thing as an inmate sense of technology... technology in itself can't be innate...
green loom
They look at a pile of scrap and think "Hm, can make thermonuclear warwhead"
crisp heath
It's artificial
green loom
Yeah they're made that way 
winged jacinth
This ability wasnt evolved
crisp heath
Well then who made the monkeys?
crisp heath
Lol yea ain't no way they're naturally that wat
median marsh
Old Ones
crisp heath
Gotcha gotcha
That makes mire sense
I thought when yall said xenos that this was some random natural monkeys on some random planet
median marsh
funnily enough you can blame Old Ones being absolute dicks on almost everything wrong with the galaxy
crisp heath
That could build rockets and guns apparently
winged jacinth
The old ones fucked up pretty bad lol
median marsh
Necronty: please help, we know you can
Old Ones: NAH LMAO
winged jacinth
But its also the necrons and c'tan's fault
crisp heath
Yea... it's a pretty big mystery why they made the decisions they did...
With their psychic might, there should have been very little of the future unknown to them
winged jacinth
Jokaero are my favorite inquisitorial retinue members by far though
green loom
Necronty: please help, we know you can
Old Ones: NAH LMAO
I mean the Necrontyr were pretty irredeemable assholes to begin with 
crisp heath
Ehh, but we're they really?
green loom
Yeah
winged jacinth
They come up to you and snatch your lasgun, bring it back in 15 minutes with 3 barrels
crisp heath
Wouldn't you be too if you lived as they had and dealt with what they did?@green loom
green loom
They come up to you and snatch your lasgun, bring it back in 15 minutes with 3 b...
Nah they come back with a melta gun
I mean I live in a shithole and am an asshole, but at the end of the day I haven't made an interstellar empire that perpetuates all of that yet and I'm still an asshole
median marsh
green loom
Product of the enviroment?
Sure
Still assholes
median marsh
i still wonder why couldnt necrons just, you know, not live near a sun that actively killed them
green loom
Afaik
crisp heath
They weren't exactly the worst. They had extraordinary conditions that almost any other race wouldn't have survived except maybe the Krogan from mass effect, traveled the galaxy looking for safer places and still never cured themselves. Finally find literal gods making magical other races and ask for the simplest, greatest wish any mortal but especially them might ask for. And where denied by those that could easily and freely provide it if they so wished. I mean... the necron had reasons... they weren't exactly assholes per se at that point. To themselves sure, but so is every other race. There's always infighting.
green loom
They then went to war with said old ones which I'm betting didn't help their case
crisp heath
And we're still dieing in mass
They never could cure their initial illness, no matter how grand the empire
green loom
And you know necron culture is pretty heavily based on your deeds so I imagine they weren't exactly a "solitary" empire
crisp heath
Does that matter? Every inherent race had infighting too
green loom
They weren't exactly the worst. They had extraordinary conditions that almost an...
An Inquisitor breaks down your door and guns down your uncle and cousins infront of you
He had his reasons
Is he still an asshole?
crisp heath
That's no where near the same, but I mean, is my uncle Wolfer and my cousins poxwalkers? Or have we committed some heresy? My perspective vs his, especially as the receiver will obviously influence my thoughts at the end
green loom
Your uncle is some menial factory worker and your cousins are kids, they walked in an area with cult activity and talked to someone the inquisitor just gunned down beforehand
The Necrons didn't magically get prideful and arrogant after their ascension
crisp heath
If we are thinking up the worst of the worst possibilities it works vice versa too
green loom
This culture was well established beforehand
crisp heath
I'm not saying they did
green loom
Everything the necrons do now is just deluded parody of their old ways
crisp heath
I'm simply saying they had reasons to entreat and then be pissed at the old ones
green loom
So taking that into consideration
I'm not exactly shocked the Old Ones didn't want to help them
crisp heath
I have said over and over they infighted. They had civil wars. So did literally every other race, including the ones the old ones created
storm jungle
Yeah basically the Necrontyr were just as bad before they became necrons
they just had space cancer
tired summit
U guys think morvenn vahl says it's morvenn time?
tired summit
Neat
warm notch
they just had space cancer
Is it worse than space AIDS?
crisp heath
Very much so
green loom
Before ascension the necrons were just like me
Atrophied and depressed
crisp heath
Literally is compared to Nurgles stuff sometimes
Hell, might have been how nurgle was born. That'd be a hell of a theory
warm notch
Nurgle is a pimple that Big E popped on his ass coming back for vengeance
urban spire
Before ascension the necrons were just like me
Atrophied and depressed
now they are only depressed
regal rain
Yeah basically the Necrontyr were just as bad before they became necrons
Ngl they got made that way tho
Imagine having a short ass average lifespan with a shit planet and you’re instantly forced into servitude off the bat
Idk how you’d end up good
They remind me a lot of AI movie stories but sentient. They had the ability to turn on their masters but had made enemies working for them too, and were forced to do wild ass things to stop their creators and enemies. Do remember their masters were so demented they made a body for one of the strongest, the Night, and he just started a genocide on them instantly and they had to swear servitude
storm jungle
Ngl they got made that way tho
The necrontyr naturally developed into what they are
the Old Ones didnt make em
regal rain
I aint mean to say makers, masters
storm jungle
the Necrons entirely deserved what happened to them
its literally the tragedy of their origin
regal rain
I mean they had short terrible pain filled life spans
Basically just miserable from birth to death
Their envy got them
Then when they focused their entire society on building tech to make themselves live longer and withstand their planet, they learned they couldn’t at all. After THOUSANDS of years
storm jungle
I mean even in life necrontry society was awful
its literally ancient egypt but grimdank
regal rain
I mean yea they have short terrible lives
storm jungle
its not lifespans
regal rain
And thousands of years of purpose they did was useless
storm jungle
its their nobility treating them like shit
tulip brook
they went from "can you please fix my problem" to "imma fuck you up just you wait" real quick
there's not much to expect from a race like that
regal rain
they went from "can you please fix my problem" to "imma fuck you up just you wai...
Ngl I get why they were sour
They had unimaginably terrible lives so bad they focused EVERYTHING on science for thousands of years just to learn they can’t change anything
Then they have to leave on slow ass ships that take forever to get anywhere and just rot
tulip brook
how's that old ones' fault so they have to be destroyed?
regal rain
I dont agree at all with their conclusion
I just see why they were that mentally fucked by then
How do you NOT end up demented from that
Any purpose you ever had never worked and always ended in pain and suffering for existence
Tbh I don’t think it was the old ones themselves, they were so demented that any form of long or reasonable existence would have been met with hate. Their passions never worked they just had pain and death. They basically were groomed from the start to envy normal life; oppose it almost
storm jungle
Yeah they basically got the short end of the stick at any moment
regal rain
There was no fixing it
arctic talon
They were absolutely justified
regal rain
Yeah imagine immortal necrotyr
tulip brook
I like how they are grandpas with cool toys now
storm jungle
Yeah if you gave necrons immortality it would be even worse
regal rain
If the necrontyr had survived/fixed it they would have probably made some crusade to ever prevent life like that again or some shit
End up another extreme opposite
arctic talon
Yeah prolly
regal rain
They definitely deserved the death shit
Mfers tried to eradicate the old ones, got shit on then tried to master big ass clouds eating stars to kill them again. Shoulda just stopped
tulip brook
trazyn sees imperium and goes "they remind me of how we used to be." mfer sees the worst the humanity offers and feels nostalgic
says a lot about their empire
dusk patrol
Tbh we don’t know enough about either to make a huge judgment call, the Old Ones weren’t exactly angels either
warm notch
says a lot about their empire
We live in a society
dusk patrol
It’s not a mystery why the Necrons would get pissed at a race who can save them not doing so just like it’s not a mystery why the Old Ones probably weren’t keen on it
storm jungle
Tbh we don’t know enough about either to make a huge judgment call, the Old Ones...
We kinda do through necron material more or less.
Trazyn's and any small-time necron's life was even shittier than the nobility's.
the reason why the old ones didnt help them doesnt need an explanation after you see what they were like pre-transferrence
dusk patrol
We don’t know why they didn’t help
dusk patrol
We don’t know anything about the Old Ones really beyond they made races
There’s an implied old one descendant or something in Old Earth but it’s hard to say
He’s dead so it doesn’t matter anyways
regal rain
Yeah they were random and also the advanced tech and lifespan of the Old Ones tells me, after making many races and living for a LONG time, they could probably tell what the necrontyr would turn into after a terrible terrible life like theirs
dusk patrol
I mean or they’re just assholes
regal rain
I dont think any path could have fixed them by then, especially in warhammer
dusk patrol
There’s no way for us to know
storm jungle
I mean like i said
theres no reason to know
the reasons are very obvious
Necrons didnt deserve immortality.
you dont have to be a space frog to come to this conclusion
storm jungle
yep lol
dusk patrol
And the Old Ones did? Like idk, they made biological races for shits and giggles
storm jungle
Yeah and why care about a random cancer-race
dusk patrol
I don’t really think we can assume some morality to them
regal rain
What else do you do but make life if you dont want to take it all the time
And you’re immortal
dusk patrol
Well obviously piss off the wrong lesser empire and get wiped out apparently
regal rain
Well obviously piss off the wrong lesser empire and get wiped out apparently
They didnt piss them off really
Thats like saying I pissed you off when you come ask for my shit and I say no
dusk patrol
But the War in Heaven wasn’t just one war and it was over a long long time
regal rain
The old ones were targeted out of envy entirely
dusk patrol
I don’t think they’re inherently wrong but it’s easy to see why it happened from the Necrotyrs perspective
dusk patrol
And unfortunately for them
regal rain
But the old ones were basically just shit on for being how they are
dusk patrol
Didn’t work out
regal rain
Ntm the necrons didnt even wipe them out the necrons got fucking enslaved
Like off the bat
The ctan started their own empire basically
storm jungle
They did wipe them out
We dont know that either
most got wiped out is the official sentence
regal rain
You forget when they first summoned the Ctan and death itself wiped out almost all the necrons until they swore themselves into slavery eternal
dusk patrol
As far as we’re aware based off every source they’re not alive and the one example we have is described as the last. Obviously there could still be one
But arguing over “almost entirely gone” or “gone”
storm jungle
Yeah because these sources come from people that assume they are all dead.
so again it isnt concrete either
dusk patrol
They lost bad is the point
storm jungle
The Old Ones didnt matter to the lore at all until with Arks of Omen comes out and brings out another mcguffin that the old ones did that nobody knows about
dusk patrol
You forget when they first summoned the Ctan and death itself wiped out almost a...
And then they uno reversed them
regal rain
They lost bad is the point
Not that bad really
regal rain
There was Ctan getting their ass kicked by the old ones minions’ gods
dusk patrol
They’re powering their toasters
regal rain
Literally their minions
dusk patrol
What
regal rain
Im talking ab the war w the old ones
regal rain
Bro there was a large gap between them beating the Ctan and being in servitude
It wasnt instant
dusk patrol
Yes it was a long long war
green loom
I have farseen that I farsaw something I will farsee something in the far off future where farsight is block so I can't farsee, farseeing is critical because we need to farsee what's going to be so our farsight can work well
dusk patrol
Multiple wars as it’s decribed
storm jungle
I have farseen that I farsaw something I will farsee something in the far off fu...
You forgot
Astartesian™️
green loom
Farsee farsee farsaw farseen farsaw farsaw
storm jungle
The entire opening of Death and the Shit Vol 2. haunts me
dusk patrol
That alone justifies anything done to Eldar ever
green loom
Farsaw Deez nuts
dusk patrol
Slaneesh didn’t go far enough
green loom
The entire opening of Death and the Shit Vol 2. haunts me
This is a reference to how you vent your bowels upon death
dusk patrol
Yeah stages
You realize they did the bio transference then beat the Old Ones right?
arctic talon
I am the End and the Death
storm jungle
This is our End and your Death
green loom
It's the dance of the End
And like, the death I guess
regal rain
You realize they did the bio transference then beat the Old Ones right?
Yes thats what I just said
The final stage of the war was the metal bodies
Which means they beat them after
dusk patrol
Then they shattered the C’tan
storm jungle
It's the dance of the End
And like, the death I guess
that fucking line killed me, and it was like 5 pages in 💀
dusk patrol
No the war in heaven continued after the Old Ones were gone anyways
storm jungle
about as annoying with every part Samus appeared
tulip brook
samus model when
grave sparrow
but, but but, samus will gnaw on your BONES
storm jungle
he already has one
green loom
He already has a model no
regal rain
No the war in heaven continued after the Old Ones were gone anyways
Well yeah but Im meaning old ones vs necron not the ENTIRE war
storm jungle
but, but but, samus will gnaw on your BONES
IM BEHIND YOU
IM RIGHT NEXT TO YOU
IM EVERYWHERE
shut the fuck up
dusk patrol
Well yeah but Im meaning old ones vs necron not the ENTIRE war
Ok but I don’t even get what your point is anymore
regal rain
I count ctan vs necron as another war because they had to fight completely differently and it was basically a revolt
Rather than a continuation
regal rain
Ok but I don’t even get what your point is anymore
We’re talking lore and what happened there is no point
dusk patrol
Well I’m meaning more the Eldar and Necrons after
grave sparrow
<:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
definitely a good demon to introduce with the whispering hills or whatever they were, like cool scene for him, but the reuse of samus was really stupid.
earnest snow
You can’t say that and not show us
Totally got distracted but yeh my zealot. Bootleg sister from downtown Atoma
dusk patrol
I mean I just said the Necrons beat them and then there was disagreement
storm jungle
definitely a good demon to introduce with the whispering hills or whatever they ...
Yeah its classic Abnett
dusk patrol
Idk
storm jungle
obscure references from his own books for no reason
regal rain
Oh nah I just commented it wasn’t that one sided, the war was long as fuck
And had multiple stages
storm jungle
"They call this Terror? HAH no, it is Terra!"
The fuck is this writing.
dusk patrol
Yeah it was a long tough war I’m not disagreeing with that
regal rain
When the Old Ones made the Aeldari the war got complicated asab
green loom
"They call this Terror? HAH no, it is Terra!"
**The fuck is this writing.**
Have you heard of the Yellow King? Look I am doing so much foreshadowing!!!!!
grave sparrow
You could definitely tell he loved the character, but didn't realize it was the introduction and initial shock value that made samus good, and re-using him would just kill the entire purpose
storm jungle
AUGHHH-
earnest snow
"They call this Terror? HAH no, it is Terra!"
**The fuck is this writing.**
War on Terra 
regal rain
Cause then you had actual Eldar deities on the field
storm jungle
War on Terra <:fatbrick:1140787709611364432>
LMAO STOP
regal rain
Tombstoning Ctan somehow
earnest snow
Anyways whatever, let’s talk about space Jawas
He is about to hammer the book what am I seeing
regal rain
Where the fuck is vulcan
dusk patrol
Bro where are the lost primarchs at btw
Lost
storm jungle
In the Warp probably
earnest snow
Vulcan is chillin' in a 2005 PT Cruiser
regal rain
Yeah but like mfers are lost that bad?
dusk patrol
They’re wherever GW decides they are
storm jungle
yes
grave sparrow
Like vulcan
He and Dorn set up a sick bachelor pad somewhere in the warp and they drink and review craft beers
green loom
Jawas are furry
storm jungle
the primarchs will return when the plot demands it
regal rain
Vulcan is like yeah time for my return
green loom
Very furry
earnest snow
This thing is where Vulcan is at
regal rain
Never again hear ab it
dusk patrol
He came back once
storm jungle
Yeah because they arent a part of the narrative yet
green loom
@storm jungle did you watch book of boba/Mandalorian
dusk patrol
What are you talking about?
green loom
Probably a redundant question at this point
earnest snow
You mean Armageddon is ULLANOR!?!?!?!
dusk patrol
War of the Beast? Do you know how crazy that makes you sound?
storm jungle
<@166943308231344128> did you watch book of boba/Mandalorian
Yes, i hate that Jawa "lore" 💀
dusk patrol
That never happened
earnest snow
and thats why so many ork plot points are in Armageddon!?!?!
green loom
Yes, i hate that Jawa "lore" 💀
They're furry
Licking noises
Very furry
storm jungle
STOP
storm jungle
and thats why so many ork plot points are in Armageddon!?!?!
Armageddondeez
warm notch
Hello
regal rain
GW be like damn. We got like 3-4 primarchs just lost we could do story ab. Nah here’s this new ork horde
warm notch
I’ve been summoned
regal rain
Here’s yet ANOTHER hive fleet
dusk patrol
This is canon btw
dusk patrol
This is very canon
storm jungle
I've seen enough NSFW artists make smut of Watchers in the Dark
arctic talon
guh
storm jungle
last thing i need is fucking jawas
arctic talon
It could be anything under those robes, it could even be another human
earnest snow
Ok guys remember, don’t think about a small older lady fucking Jawas
Okay but what about that one Inquisitor that banged an assassin that was in the form of a genestealer I believe
If I remember correctly
dusk patrol
But yes those parts are
regal rain
Inquisitor banging an assassin
dusk patrol
Weird as fuck
regal rain
Yeah..
grave sparrow
I loved the TTS podcast that covered Draco lol, shit had me rollin
dusk patrol
That being said Ian Watson does really clearly set the tone for what 40k books became, if you ignore the smut
arctic talon
The Imperial Fists Shit vault is sealed away forever thank fuck
storm jungle
ŞLSDFSDSDDSGDF
regal rain
Humanity= being attacked by fifty hive fleets in the path of them, new ork horde, only one primarch around. “What about inquisitor sex?”
dusk patrol
Which is hard cause it’s a Watson book
earnest snow
Oddly enough there is a dark eldar romance thing thats canon. Just two drukari doin' the lovin' n shiz
Most wholesome Drukari
dusk patrol
And the dude is hornier than a three headed Moose
warm notch
I wonder which Karnak twin is older
arctic talon
They look like identical twins in terms of height ngl
regal rain
Oddly enough there is a dark eldar romance thing thats canon. Just two drukari d...
Thats all the eldar and druk are
Is warhammer porn
dusk patrol
They came out at the same time
regal rain
That is their purpose
earnest snow
Thats all the eldar and druk are
🙏
dusk patrol
One baby ball
storm jungle
Oddly enough there is a dark eldar romance thing thats canon. Just two drukari d...
That short story is very light on romance but its pretty funny
regal rain
So druk can be in love?
regal rain
I thought they only loved and got horny ab pain
green loom
With pretty intense emotions at that
earnest snow
That short story is very light on romance but its pretty funny
Eldar have the right to have romance, strange friendships, and a functioning society while humans have to deal with constant warfare and pew pew pew. Heresy this, heresy that. How about you do some heresy on DEEZ- vox cut off
regal rain
The dreadlords being what they wanna end up at
green loom
They're just brutal slavers so typically have to stay pretty cold
regal rain
Who get horny and shit ab pain
storm jungle
Eldar have the right to have romance, strange friendships, and a functioning soc...
Literally this lol
earnest snow
I would like more novels that would you know. Not just be about war
You know let humans be
storm jungle
The dreadlords being what they wanna end up at
thats warhammer fantasy
earnest snow
human
arctic talon
tbf
storm jungle
you should read
arctic talon
Comorragh is even more fucked
storm jungle
Warhammer Crime
arctic talon
then the imperium
regal rain
thats warhammer fantasy
What?
green loom
I mean we'll hopefully get Robert Rath sponsored Celefax
arctic talon
like in terms of violence™️
regal rain
I forgot their name then
green loom
Archons
storm jungle
Archons you numbskull
green loom
Probably
storm jungle
regal rain
Tf are they called archons for
storm jungle
GREEK
regal rain
Shit ass name
arctic talon
earnest snow
Comorragh is more fucked of course. I just find it weird that we can have books showing personality in one faction and not in the other like my guys what the what
arctic talon
its always been their name since they got added
arctic talon
Comorragh is more fucked of course. I just find it weird that we can have books ...
Read warhammer crime
green loom
I need to get our martyred lady
regal rain
Its a badass name yeah but thats the last name I expect torture horny kill lords to be
storm jungle
Its a badass name yeah but thats the last name I expect torture horny kill lords...
its from greek city states, so it adds up
arctic talon
anyone who disagrees goes into the meat grinder
green loom
In the words of a good friend of mine
earnest snow
I'll either read or listen to the audio books if there are any.
arctic talon
you get actual good personality
green loom
"Be gay do crime"
arctic talon
from imperial characters
for day to day life
you get to see ground level crap
and its all in a moderately shitty™️ hiveworld
regal rain
How tf would a druk relationship even work if archon is the end goal/prestigious rank and they torture other druk and cut them up
That is wild to me
dusk patrol
Also rare grav gun novel appearance
Which is odd cause it’s crime
But hey I’ll take it
arctic talon
How tf would a druk relationship even work if archon is the end goal/prestigious...
Druhkari relationships are weird as shit tbh
dusk patrol
How tf would a druk relationship even work if archon is the end goal/prestigious...
Mostly they don’t tbh
arctic talon
Also yeah most Druhkari don't get into a romantic relationship at all
earnest snow
How tf would a druk relationship even work if archon is the end goal/prestigious...
Its rare but when it works it twerks
dusk patrol
Or they’re always understanding that their partner might backstab them
regal rain
Tough world damn. Even the druk got couples
dusk patrol
That’s why having a true born kid is a big deal
regal rain
Love really is the strongest in WH
dusk patrol
storm jungle
How tf would a druk relationship even work if archon is the end goal/prestigious...
Dark Eldar dont usually enter relationships, you got High Commorragh where all the elite/important shit happens and then Low Commorragh where vatborn dark eldar live in slums and do other cyberpunk shit.
Dark Eldar usually almost never enter a relationship because its way too dangerous for a society thats entirely built on deceit and betrayal, only High Commorragh Dark Eldar usually marry sometimes and its usually for politicial reasons to make a Trueborn son/daughter whos entirely purpose is also to just be a status symbol and faunt that you can grow a spoilt child that accompanies you on raids and nobody can touch them or you.
regal rain
Dark Eldar dont usually enter relationships, you got High Commorragh where all t...
That makes sense
Are trueborns OP?
storm jungle
KINDA
earnest snow
They got 20 in every stat
dusk patrol
They’re just born into an easier life
dusk patrol
Most kids are vat grown with nothing
regal rain
In warhammer logic them being rare I thought they’d be the opposite of aspect warrior tops or sumn, be fucking broken as shit
storm jungle
Almost 80% of the Dark Eldar populace is vatborn
dusk patrol
Most Drukhari aren’t even in a Cabal
earnest snow
A trueborn once sold a car with cinder blocks for tires to a mandrake. Thats op af
storm jungle
Yeah most hang out in the lower parts
dusk patrol
The vast majority never get to raid
storm jungle
if i had to be blunt
its like living in mexico or somewhere in sotuh america
you can live an "honest life"
or you know
go join a cartel
kill people
torture people
make tons of money
dusk patrol
Just magnify it a lot
dusk patrol
And also everyone sucks and there’s no family
storm jungle
its a violent and brutal life, its why if you are smart you just go and join a eldar corsair band
dusk patrol
It’s like living in LA
regal rain
Imagine being born a decent druk
earnest snow
Drukari are also known spaceship salesmen, however they usually sell you overpriced garbage. Somehow they haven't gone outta business
arctic talon
Imagine being born a decent druk
Get out to Corsair life
regal rain
Drukari are also known spaceship salesmen, however they usually sell you overpri...
I did read ab this tbh
storm jungle
^
dusk patrol
Necromunda is Detroit smh
regal rain
Somehow they do trade and rational living beings come to their capital to trade and do bounty work and so on. Merc shit
storm jungle
yeah because commorragh is massive
dusk patrol
It has two suns
storm jungle
"two"
regal rain
We are NOT going there
dusk patrol
That’s my point it’s like solar system level sized
green loom
Why the fuck would you go to the capital of sex torture tho
Black market and real nice prices
storm jungle
That’s my point it’s like solar system level sized
its endless
because its conjoined pocket dimensions
but as usual we never explore these lol
earnest snow
Because its fun bruh its like going to a casino instead you're gambling with your life and your soul in exchange for a mild upper hand against your opponents
Comorragh 4 lyfe
regal rain
That shit could have 6 suns and 12 planets if I knew Archons were there and the druk torture tf out of everyone. If I knew HALF the shit the druk did in warhammer as a sane person, I’d be as far away as possible
arctic talon
but as usual we never explore these lol
I LOVE CIVIL WAR RAAAAAAAH
regal rain
They do that shit to people they like imagine you look at them wrong
winged jacinth
Most systems should have binary stars tbh
arctic talon
Also lowkey it would just be more comorroagh
storm jungle
arctic talon
Just under different rulers
earnest snow
Remember the time when Vect casually slammed an Imperial Ship into a nearby City cus they were getting too fiesty for their own good?
Pretty rad
arctic talon
Remember the time when Vect casually slammed an Imperial Ship into a nearby City...
It was to establish his power base more iirc
regal rain
Remember when vulcan got bodied over and over just for fun
earnest snow
It was to establish his power base more iirc
It was, though a character I can't remember that is relevant to the first Path of The Dark Eldar series was becoming too powerful and could challenge him. So he slammed a ship into the city, collateral be damned.
Turned it into a haunted city very spooky
dusk patrol
He also used the suns to burn away part of it
earnest snow
God I love Vect
regal rain
Mfers in warhammer are wild for power
dusk patrol
I loved those books but, it did feel a little like
“Oh I guess Vect can just do that”
regal rain
Shit is like civ 6 on steroids dealing with warhammer factions
dusk patrol
“Oh no Vect pressed his ‘I win’” button
regal rain
Be chilling and someone unleash a horrible irreversible disaster cause you seemed a bit strong
dusk patrol
But the books are great
earnest snow
Vect also had a megamind moment during an Arena show in that novel
Shows up in his pyramid and broadcasted his wide 4head for all to see
regal rain
Shows up in his pyramid and broadcasted his wide 4head for all to see
Then crashes into the city?
Lmfaoo
earnest snow
Then crashes into the city?
Nah Comorragh is his city. Man just wanted to show that he knows a traitor is somewhere in the Arena and get people paranoid
Cus he a funny little fellar
regal rain
Smart ngl
crisp heath
To be fair, and I know I'm late. But it's a bit of a chicken and egg argument to say the necrontyr society was bad, because it was a death culture built on their insignificant lifespans and inherent feelings of nihility. Was it their incurable disease and hostile conditions, or the culture it spawned that was their issue?
regal rain
Make the mf panic. Cause if you aint the traitor you’ll be chilling
earnest snow
Vect is a super villian in the series so he kinda just does things.
regal rain
To be fair, and I know I'm late. But it's a bit of a chicken and egg argument to...
We kinda all agreed and split it down already that it wasnt their fault what they became, and their world did it, but they deserved the repercussions of their actions
earnest snow
Make the mf panic. Cause if you aint the traitor you’ll be chilling
ngl everyone would be panicking since the society is backstabby, and well. You get framed, you get literally framed inside Vect's walls
crisp heath
Ahh, like I said I knew I was late
That's a very fair assessment
dusk patrol
To be fair, and I know I'm late. But it's a bit of a chicken and egg argument to...
The important thing is thank god they did what they did or we wouldn’t get sick art like this
earnest snow
Somehow Comorragh works on its paranoia and intense need for insanity
regal rain
The important thing is thank god they did what they did or we wouldn’t get sick ...
Who the fuck is the huge guy
Is that a dragon back there
earnest snow
Yeah necrons be wildin
regal rain
Ngl the necron traded their souls for extreme drip
arctic talon
Is that a dragon back there
It’s a daemon engine
dusk patrol
Lord of Skulls
regal rain
Who whipped out a daemon engine
dusk patrol
For the right one
arctic talon
Who whipped out a daemon engine
Khornate daemons
dusk patrol
Left is a Heldrake
regal rain
Or the eldar deity of him
dusk patrol
storm jungle
dumbass bionicle lookin' ass bitch
dusk patrol
storm jungle
They werent around then
regal rain
Whats the bottom art from then
regal rain
The important thing is thank god they did what they did or we wouldn’t get sick ...
This
storm jungle
thats just khornates fighting necrons
regal rain
Never seen that damn
storm jungle
so its just a random battlefield
regal rain
They sent that referencing the old ones vs necrons comment so I was like damn when did Khorne start rocking w them
Never read that shit lmao
dusk patrol
dumbass bionicle lookin' ass bitch
Dilara I already loved them you don’t need to sell me on them more
grave sparrow
I always love the 40k art where dudes are like 5 feet away from each other blasting mofos with heavy bolters.
Like how'd they get that close to the dude with the heavy bolter goin full cyclic
dusk patrol
They sent that referencing the old ones vs necrons comment so I was like damn wh...
The point is without the war we wouldn’t have those
storm jungle
Like yo what
currently their exact origin point is unclear, old lore was the first 3 came around during the human middle ages but the writers later realised why the fuck would galactic gods be created during medieval times by humans.
Now its in the air
dusk patrol
I always love the 40k art where dudes are like 5 feet away from each other blast...
The important thing is
Shut up
grave sparrow
I mean it looks cool lol
regal rain
currently their exact origin point is unclear, old lore was the first 3 came aro...
It also compounds with fantasy war cause like
dusk patrol
But yeah it’s
regal rain
Fantasy acknowledges the chaos gods have ALWAYS existed
dusk patrol
Just easier to do art pieces like that
regal rain
And just move from game to game
storm jungle
and you can tell the writers put no thought into it
dusk patrol
I just love how the Taus just looking at his gun
Somehow the marine with the two foot blade is not commanding his attention
vale fjord
Space wolves moment
dusk patrol
Also this art, somehow they make the battle suits look expressive
regal rain
I love the fact one tau is turned around just shouting with space marines RIGHT behind him
Dude is dust
dusk patrol
You can’t tell me this mfer doesn’t look surprised
vale fjord
I swear to God space marines manage to find a way to look crazy goofy sometimes
regal rain
A lot of the battles are goofy too when you visualize them
The emp basically got his ass beat around for a few minutes then one hit Horus
vale fjord
😭
regal rain
That is exactly what it is yes
vale fjord
WHATS THE POINT OF THAT
regal rain
With a more visible rebreather despite the helmets already having them
Darth vader style
regal rain
WHATS THE POINT OF THAT
One for each gun LOL
tulip brook
bro goes akimbo bolters. he can even have telescopic eyes. I allow it
regal rain
Start crossing your eyes rapidly to blind the enemy