40k-lore-chat

[forest orbit]

Morrow is as solid as they come

[lapis crane]

but if the inquisiton guy is a heretic that will be the most funny thing ever

[forest orbit]

trust me hes too much of a dickhead to be a heretic

you've seen one guy like Rannick you've seen em all

[warm notch]

Maybe the real Traitor's Curse were the Moebian 21st Regiment cosmetics we received along the way

[storm jungle]

Truly Fatshark's evildoery never stops.

https://tenor.com/view/shark-no-shark-meme-shark-dance-dancing-shark-gif-25513344

[warm notch]

Obese Megalodon why

[tough haven]

Swollen selachian, how could you?

[storm jungle]

[soft thunder]

why is there a Constant Margrave and a Lord Constance Margrave? is this some GRRM elden ring naming convention shenanigans? why do this, beeg feesh?

[storm jungle]

Just stick to one version its fine

hopefully

[soft thunder]

constant is the sister and constance is the lord moebian, maybe? Pretty sure it's 2 different people and not a typo. I'm just banging rocks together like a cave man with these items lol

I've seen a few item description typos but none have been mispellings, so far

[storm jungle]

Yeah its mostly typos, i dont think they'd get a detail like that wrong?

I wish i could say you could ask an author but im not really sure who was behind this

Sarah Cawkwell whos a BL writer and on our mod team said most of this stuff was spread amongst the 7 authors.

[soft thunder]

I'll invoke the power of whoever I must for this obscure detail in my nerd universe

[storm jungle]

Im gonna try just incase she knows something when shes around

[soft thunder]

Better you than me, it's on items Combat Blade (Moebian Parade) and Soldier's Punishment Uniform w/ the only items naming any Moebians at all. I don't want to bring up the luetin video lol

[storm jungle]

@dry epoch Hey Sarah sorry for the ping but you are like the only ex-BL(ish) person we can contact for this sort of stuff, was any of you charged with doing stuff for Atoma Prime/Moebian Domain lorewise or was that all Abnett's territory and you guys were just given the duty of doing dialogue and other stuff instead of coming up with stuff like the lore tidbits Fatshark puts on cosmetics?

Rabs here above is doing a encylopedia in the hopes that they can upload these to the Lexicanum one day so just trying my luck to see if you know anything about it

[storm jungle]

And now we wait

[soft thunder]

I'm gonna double check these things in game to make sure I'm not just raving mad

[storm jungle]

All good

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/oooh-mari-takahashi-atomicmari-still-watching-netflix-excited-gif-26019295

[vale fjord]

What is the same equivalent of Christmas in the 40kverse

[storm jungle]

Sanguinalia

Or Candlemas

[plush mason]

i think the only thing they share is a calender square tho

[soft thunder]

alright so I guess the Soilder's Punishment set is probably an unreleased penance set. Maybe being released in the next patch's sets for Carnval part 2? idk anyways..

behold, the only 2 named Margraves (I think..)

[deft sigil]

Does the emperor have like

A helmet

For his armor

Like how space marines and primarchs have helmets

Incase he like

Needs to breath

[vale fjord]

No no

He doesnt

Lest you count his crown as a helmet sure

[plush mason]

Gilliman disagrees lol

dude was fighting in the void without a helmet just by holding his breath lol

[deft sigil]

Does he have an air bubble in his suit or something

The emperor i mean

Also

How big is the golden throne room

Like

[winged jacinth]

while the emperor is never(?) shown in a helmet i imagine most of the art we see is like, paintings from descriptions
however people not wearing helmets even when they REALLY should is a 40k trademark

[plush mason]

no he was just that pissed. and he would have died if he had stayed out there too long

[deft sigil]

Is it the size of a city

[winged jacinth]

the golden throne room is very large, even if you dont count the machinery

[vale fjord]

Uhh

Think of the tts shoe

Show

[winged jacinth]

the room itself is big enough for hundreds of custodes but the machinery below it is city sized

[vale fjord]

No hold on

How big is exactly the emperor

[winged jacinth]

primarch size?

[plush mason]

like 14 feet iirc

[plush mason]

bigger lol

[deft sigil]

What even is that

So can someone gimme a straight answer for the size of the room

[winged jacinth]

i dont think we have dimensions specifically

[vale fjord]

By the throne

[winged jacinth]

maybe a sports arena

and then the golden throne is connected to machinery much bigger than that

[plush mason]

all we know is the gate that leads to the room is flanked by 2 warhound titans

[vale fjord]

And he's not even a God (not yet atleast from what I've heard)

[winged jacinth]

weeeeeelllll

[vale fjord]

Is he that ginormous

[winged jacinth]

yeah he's really tall

the art of him talking to normal people is funny

[vale fjord]

Now I'm imagining him crouching down talking to the lil guardsmen

[plush mason]

he didnt always look like that tho.

he could make himself smaller

think of the big golden dude as a battle form

or it might be his true form

[winged jacinth]

the emperor is definitely teetering on the threshold of godhood though, especially at this point in the lore

the starchild is back

[vale fjord]

I'm surprised humanity managed to keep him alive after all them centuries

Especially after the horus heresy

Then again humanity finds a way to advance technology

[hidden prism]

the emperor is definitely a god id say

he has his own demons and that stuff he pulled with gman and nurgles garden

like yeah

hes a god for sure

[winged jacinth]

his own daemons? do you mean the legion of the damned?

[hidden prism]

that and stuff like saint Celestine

[winged jacinth]

he does seem to be manifesting champions

i think he's still on the pre-ascension end of the teeter totter

just because it seems like something's gonna happen soon

[molten swan]

Empy is pretty active in plague wars and dark imperium, he sends dreams to Felix, guillimans advisor, telling him to find him(the Saint), he also possesses someone in the presence of sister of silence, even causing a custodes to question that the anathema was his master, looking upon the custodes. “In her face burned golden eyes as old as time, and from mouth sprang the luminance of a star”, I wonder what he’s doing now, should probably get the newer books to see if he’s around🤔

[vale fjord]

I wonder whatll be like fighting a plague marine as a boss in darktide

[desert dust]

If your in a guants ghost novel you probably just kill him with a detpack necklace.
If your in lord of silence you ded

Like before you even enter the room

[vale fjord]

Okay okay

Another question

Are plague ogryns unkillable or can they actually be killed killed

[median marsh]

Nothing is unkillable

[tulip brook]

They are mutated ogryns. They won't be banished to warp like daemons.

[plush mason]

yeah

[molten swan]

Plague ogryns can still die yeah

Not daemons

[tulip brook]

Chaos spawn, plague ogryn > not daemon, beast of nurgle > daemon

[median marsh]

Beasts of Nurgle are demons though

Oh wait I can't read right

thanks brain

On the unkillable thing, GW has a really stupid way of describing things

[vale fjord]

Yeaa

That's pretty much why I asked

[median marsh]

So almost every single thing ends up as "can barely be hurt" while simultaneously "can rip through hardiest foes with ease"

[winged jacinth]

Balanced like dota 2

[median marsh]

Nurgle troops are generally more resilient due to being Infested to hell and back but they're far from unkillable

[plush mason]

the balance is just whatever the hell the current author wants lol

[winged jacinth]

No one is all the way unkillable in the setting really

[median marsh]

Even chaos gods theoretically can be killed

[winged jacinth]

Even god tier warp entities can get torn to pieces though that's kinda recoverable maybe

[median marsh]

However the problem with that is noone knows wtf would happen, even chaos gods themselves

[vale fjord]

What about vulkan

[median marsh]

Can be killed permanently with specific tools

[winged jacinth]

There's a whole book about him almost getting assassinated

[vale fjord]

Fair

[median marsh]

perpetuals can be killed but it's extremely difficult

Even Lucius, the badly written, can be murdered if he gets the Horus treatment

[winged jacinth]

its a lot like killing a daemon weirdly

or maybe not really weirdly?

[dusk patrol]

Vulkan lost his perpetualness for a bit

But yeah ironically

[winged jacinth]

you just have to blow up their whole ass soul usually which is more or less what you do to a daemon with holy artifacts or immense psychic power

[dusk patrol]

Most perpetuals we know of have died

[winged jacinth]

i think Grammaticus and Pius are still running around probably

[dusk patrol]

Malcador, Erda, Damon

Grammaticus isn’t a perpetual anymore

And Pius imo will almost certainly die in the last siege book but we’ll see of course

[vale fjord]

"For a bit"

[dusk patrol]

He got it back

[vale fjord]

Is vulkan gifted the most or what

[dusk patrol]

So yeah

[median marsh]

just normal Warhammer stuff, where wacky shit happens all the time

[dusk patrol]

It’s complicated but Grammaticus sacrificed his to give Vulkan his back and yeah a lot of stuff happened

It’s Kyme books though so

[vale fjord]

Oh ic ic

[dusk patrol]

It’s sucks and the important thing is none of it really matters

[winged jacinth]

people think perpetuals are the next stage in human evolution when it's obviously ogryn

[toxic hedge]

why dont the emperor just stand up, is he stupid?

[median marsh]

Perpetual Ogryn

[drifting jacinth]

Lorgar and the word bearers are basically the only csm actually fighting like space marines, thinking back on it
With them summoning daemons every 5 seconds they basically have the same elite-grunts relationships loyalists have, except with daemons instead of fleshlight joes

[median marsh]

his legs don't work that well

[vale fjord]

He got glued to the throne

[toxic hedge]

just use some vinegar and baking soda

[drifting jacinth]

Can't wait until 40k end times when they put big E in a dreadnought

[dusk patrol]

Most CSM fight like marines still tbh, with a few exceptions

But the vast majority are just basic marines

Gifted ones aren’t as common

[vale fjord]

Please

The emperor is already too big

[dusk patrol]

Iron Warriors and Night Lords sometimes aren’t as corrupted although plenty still are

[vale fjord]

How are they gonna fit him in

[drifting jacinth]

Eeeh they tend to not have the supply lines to actually have grunts
With the exception of the IW and TS I guess

[tulip brook]

Have you seen him lately? He lost a lot of weight

[drifting jacinth]

Knight-sized boxnought

[dusk patrol]

Death guard, some World Eaters, IW, some current Night Lords, Black Legion, Red Corsairs

All have supply lines and the like

[drifting jacinth]

Emphasis on the some, but ig with the primarchs back it helps yeah

[dusk patrol]

It’s not the primarchs they’ve always had them

[drifting jacinth]

And true for them but red corsairs are barely chaos

[dusk patrol]

The Death Guard mostly maintained their unity

With a few exceptions, mostly Typhus

[drifting jacinth]

Fair but they are the grunts

[vale fjord]

Now thats a funny nickname for dreadnoughts

I think I'll use it

[tulip brook]

Last time I checked, red corsairs were black legion lite

[vale fjord]

Boxnaught

[winged jacinth]

boxnaughts are jsut the casteferrum ones i think

[drifting jacinth]

They don't fight like marines with rapid insertion and shit, they just waddle upfield

[dusk patrol]

Red Corsairs are the biggest non legion warband behind the Black Legion

[dusk patrol]

They do, if they can

They just take advantage of their durability

[dry epoch]

As far as I’m aware, the core story belongs to Dan. My bit was all dialogue (and the surprisingly fun task of creating the cultist language).

[dusk patrol]

They’re a little slower but they still fight like marines

[drifting jacinth]

That's how I see it but I'm not gonna be pedantic about it

[vale fjord]

Aw they're actually a real thing in the 40kverse?

[dusk patrol]

Although they will abuse their chaos gifts when they can

[vale fjord]

Dammit

[dusk patrol]

Which is all CSM really

[drifting jacinth]

Nah it's just that the castaferrum is very boxy

[dusk patrol]

They all fight like marines mostly just playing to their strengths

[winged jacinth]

they're not called that in universe but its the ones that look like this

[vale fjord]

Cute lil fellas

[drifting jacinth]

That's not really shown in the books
To be clear, them having unique fighting styles is dope, but they mostly fight like they don't have grunts behind them, imo

[tulip brook]

The best noughts

[dusk patrol]

Also

Most marines don’t have supplementary forces or need them

[drifting jacinth]

Right ? Imagine a golden one but knight sized and with titan weapons

[dusk patrol]

They often fight independently of them

[winged jacinth]

theres other flavors like the contemptor

castigators are knights i think

[drifting jacinth]

? That's just not true
Marines always have the guard somewhere at the very least and half of all chapters shown carry a pet regiment somewhere

[dusk patrol]

CSM are pretty different from loyalist marines in that they’ll have normies they use combined with their forces as cannon fodder on the regular

[dusk patrol]

Sometimes yes but they’re not a part of their forces

they technically can’t even command them

Although that’s a big technically

[winged jacinth]

i think the most common arrangement is that chapters get attached to crusades

[dusk patrol]

We see chapters plenty of times operate completely separate from guard in the same fight

[drifting jacinth]

Depends, marines can actually lead humans in a "I'm the oldest officer around" way when on field, and in a "you literally see me as a demigod" informally

[dusk patrol]

Or completely independent

[vale fjord]

Yeaaa eh

[dusk patrol]

That’s why I mean by technically

[winged jacinth]

space marines are usually doing different tasks than the guard

[drifting jacinth]

That's a huge technically then, but aight

[dusk patrol]

Obviously depending if a marine gives you an order it’s often in your best interest to listen

[drifting jacinth]

Yea

[dusk patrol]

I mean it’s an important distinction

[vale fjord]

If its the emperor I wouldn't find it adorable but I'd love to hear some boxnaughts yell out "for the emperor" while running towards the xenos/heretics

[dusk patrol]

Because CSM straight up command large armies of normal humans

[drifting jacinth]

They waddle it's so cute

[dusk patrol]

While marines cannot

[drifting jacinth]

The tyrant guard though

[dusk patrol]

At best they take temporary control of warzones

[tulip brook]

Legion size 30k, they act like proper army force. Chapter size, small force doing their own missions.

[dusk patrol]

Yes

During the GC all imperium forces would be integrated or work under one banner too or one crusade force

Not nearly as much separation of powers

[drifting jacinth]

Yea ik
But they tend to have a regiment or two around to actually do the heavy lifting
Even if they don't technically have a direct line of command, marines just work best supported

[vale fjord]

I love how they couldn't thought of a grimdark type of name so they went with boxnaught

[dusk patrol]

Sure but my point is CSM typically fight more like marines during the GC than loyalist do

[drifting jacinth]

Technically it's called the castaferum class dreadnought but that's long and slow

[desert dust]

War

[dusk patrol]

Loyalists deploy more as independent shock troops

[drifting jacinth]

Yeah, that's my point

[median marsh]

War isn't a living thing

[dusk patrol]

Or spear tips, whereas CSM deploy their normal humans and work in concert with them commanding them

[drifting jacinth]

And word bearers funnily enough kinda do that but with daemons

[median marsh]

and even then Wars end

[desert dust]

Wars been around before man existed and will out live us all

[drifting jacinth]

Me

[dusk patrol]

Yeah but my point was all the legions mostly do that

If they’re organized

[winged jacinth]

Gombe chimpanzee war moment

[dusk patrol]

Obviously some are less so than others or in smaller war bands

[drifting jacinth]

I meant be a spear tip, not be a legion

[dusk patrol]

They do both it just depends on the objective

[drifting jacinth]

Word bearer standard MO is get in, find a cozy church, start spamming out daemons until everyone's dead

[dusk patrol]

We see them do speartip deployments with terminators like the GC

[drifting jacinth]

Spear tip shit

[dusk patrol]

The GC is what started Terminators being used like that

Hell Abbadon wrote the book on what tactics loyalists and traitors tend to use for terminator deployments

[winged jacinth]

i see the csm commanding armies thing as a combination of ancient tactics and the general might makes right nature of chaos armies

[median marsh]

I now picture Abaddon with a gigantic pen writing a book

[dusk patrol]

Their tactics vary but generally most everyone uses marines the same basic way, obviously depending for preferences and situation

They’re shock troops who bolster or break key positions

[plush mason]

yeah

[drifting jacinth]

"The art of war
Chapter one
Fuck basic humans"

[dusk patrol]

It all depends on how many you have and the situation though

[plush mason]

statisticly speaking the marines both loyal and chaos dont have the numbers to be used in any other way

[drifting jacinth]

Kinda depends on the specific engagement but 99% of the time yeah

[dusk patrol]

Death Guard and Iron Hands can assault positions a bit more recklessly cause how tanky they are while some prefer more fast attack stuff or whatever

[drifting jacinth]

Like, the third armageddon war had a shit ton of marines there

[dusk patrol]

BA, WS, RG and so on

It just depends on numbers

And situation

[plush mason]

yeah

[dusk patrol]

Like World Eaters obviously prefer to get into melee but they’re not stupid with how they do that

They just engineer the situation to let them abuse that

[drifting jacinth]

Uhhh they tend to be actually
The nails and corruption does that, they're pretty explicitly bad at strategy

Like, Angron almost fucked up killing multiple legions out of impatience

In shroud of night their strategy is pretty explicitly described as "fuck it we ball, khorn protects"

[dusk patrol]

There’s plenty of examples of them not being that way

Some are more reckless than others but their codex and Kharns books show this plenty

Kharn is completely lucid even while he’s in he depths of the nails for example

And other veteran WE are similar

It’s what separates the veterans from the newer berserkers

[tulip brook]

they are surprisingly good at tactics in instinctual level. they are far more dangerous than ytube memes portray them to be

they don't just ball it rush to melee like orks

[green loom]

You also have precedent for ones that do normal marine stuff

[dusk patrol]

Yeah, people really need to read Kharns books

There’s a reason he’s been around so long and is so deadly with such a dangerous fighting style

[drifting jacinth]

Depends on the book, and yeah no duh they actually have plans in their own books

[dusk patrol]

Also Shroud of Night is more people reacting to Kharn fighting not us seeing how Kharn plans stuff

[drifting jacinth]

He also just gets ressurected when he dies, he's halfway to daemon prince, just respects himself too much to ascend

[dusk patrol]

He could have ascended a long time ago like any of the other four main champions

He’s more useful not

[drifting jacinth]

Not talking about kharn, I'm talking about we in general

[dusk patrol]

Although iirc Typhus wants to but Nurgle won’t let him

[vale fjord]

Did the orks fight angron yet or is it still implied

[dusk patrol]

Never implied

Just a fan theory

[median marsh]

It was a meme

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[vale fjord]

Mann

[drifting jacinth]

Isn't it mentioned they're going in that general direction ?

[green loom]

People are genuinely impressively stupid

So

[dusk patrol]

Based off people theorizing Angron killed Yarrick

[green loom]

They say a single skull with a bionic eye

[dusk patrol]

Like two two layers of the fandom making shit up

[green loom]

And figured it was Yarrick

[dusk patrol]

Because as we know

Only Yarrick has a bionic eye in 40k

[drifting jacinth]

Tbf yarrick died and a yarrick-shaped skull appeared at the exact same time

[vale fjord]

I just wanna see more funny ork dubs that's all

[green loom]

It gets extra funny when you realize Angron hasn't been to Armageddon since the first war

[green loom]

The skull is ASTARTES SIZED

[dusk patrol]

It’s not Yarrick shaped skull it’s a skull with a bionic eye

Doesn’t narrow it down a ton for 40k

[drifting jacinth]

GW is shite at dimensions tbf
See : titans being small

[tulip brook]

skull with bionic eye isn't common either. it can only be yarrick. like, everywhere in the setting. thousands of yarricks...

[green loom]

Besides Ghaz wouldn't go fot angron anyway, people entirely miss the point of his char

[dusk patrol]

It was actually this guy

[drifting jacinth]

Agreed, though spite might change that

[dusk patrol]

Source: His eye

[median marsh]

His relationship with Yarrick is "woah, you're my best enemy" but I really don't think Ghaz would just randomly abandon his goal just to fuck up angron

[dusk patrol]

Ghaz’s defining trait as a war boss is he doesn’t take fights he doesn’t need to

[drifting jacinth]

Dude, the fact that multiple people have a bionic eye doesn't change the fact it's a well known detail of his design

[dusk patrol]

It’s still a huge jump

[green loom]

And has an overarching plan

[dusk patrol]

With no real evidence

[green loom]

Okay so

Calgar also has a bionic eye

[drifting jacinth]

And Calgar isn't dead

[dusk patrol]

Like people extrapolated the entire “omg Ghaz and Angron are gonna fight”

[green loom]

It's literally a common augmetic

[dusk patrol]

Cause one skull

[drifting jacinth]

Yeah ? Never said otherwise

[dusk patrol]

Had a common augmetic

It’s a little silly

[warm notch]

. . . Is that a claw

Is he a furry

[dusk patrol]

No

It’s a lightning claw

Smh

[drifting jacinth]

Okay ? It sounds like you're assuming I'm defending the fan theory
I'm not
I'm saying that a dude known for his bionic eye died at the same time as a skull with a bionic eye appeared

[green loom]

Isn't that an Astral Claw

[warm notch]

Same diff

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

This is an FFG book art

[tulip brook]

imo, we won't see them anywhere close until GW releases a major campaign which is nowhere close with most of the codices aren't even released. even then it's a coin toss they want orks vs WE

[dusk patrol]

The dude is likely dead now

[drifting jacinth]

The astral claw have a pretty dope mix of the old and new lightning claw, both the spiky fingers and the wolverine claws

[dusk patrol]

Considering as far as we’re aware all DW Astral Claws were killed

[green loom]

[dusk patrol]

And this guy in particular was kinda an asshole

[drifting jacinth]

He could have went blackguard or have went back home tbf

But probs dead yeah

[dusk patrol]

They wouldn’t have let them leave once Badab broke out

BS is possible

[green loom]

I don't think there was much left of Badab for him fo go back to

[dusk patrol]

But we don’t have any examples

[drifting jacinth]

"Check the map again dude"

[dusk patrol]

Plus this guy was a pretty good example of the AC ideas which led to Badab

Disgust for normies and being an Astartes supremacist

But who knows

[drifting jacinth]

Tbf astartes supremacy is pretty common

[dusk patrol]

Not like the AC thought of it

They didn’t just have a disgust for normies

They thought Astartes should rule

[green loom]

They agree with Abaddon more or less lol

[dusk patrol]

Basically

[drifting jacinth]

That's a natural conclusion of the disgust part

You can't think "we're better in every way" but "but we better not lead !!!"

[dusk patrol]

Not really Astartes often get annoyed with how weak humans are but they’re not allowed to take command of human forces or conquer stuff for themselves

[drifting jacinth]

I didn't say they were allowed ?

[dusk patrol]

Like IH think everyone else is a dork often, although it varies, but they’re not interested in conquering worlds or taking control of forces

At most they setup worlds to tithe recruits from

Or supplies

Basically a “we protect you, you give us so and so thing”

[tulip brook]

they are also above paperwork and administration. they need to chase glory instead

[dusk patrol]

Iron Hands break a lot of rules but they’re quiet about it

Plus Medusa is pretty secluded

And they do their job well so people don’t come snooping

First Founding privileges help

[drifting jacinth]

Mostly as long as the tithe is paid the imperium dgaf yep

[viral yacht]

I've heard people suggest a skitarii as a new class in darktide, but then it being turned down to it not being lore friendly, so would a "defective" combat servitor be more probable?

[dusk patrol]

Plus when you have stuff like this on your planet

And each of their 10 land behemoths have comparable firepower to an Ordinatus

People don’t argue as much

[drifting jacinth]

I'd expect a very low level tech adept first

[dusk patrol]

Tbh

People who say that don’t really know how far the Inquisiton can go, but yes

[molten swan]

A defective servitor would just be killed or replaced imo

[dusk patrol]

I’d expect it to be an adept

Or skitartii

[median marsh]

Servitors are tricky

[dusk patrol]

Imo they might use the Sienna necromancer AI

[median marsh]

I'd rather have a tech adept

[dusk patrol]

And let them deploy servitors

[drifting jacinth]

Like, a dlc class that replaces relics with implants with funny effects and has access to rad carbines or smth

[dusk patrol]

I seriously doubt we’ll play a servitor

[molten swan]

A tech adept turned acolyte maybe, since tech priests can be come inquisitors, other than that, I don’t see them coming really

[dusk patrol]

That would be lame

[dusk patrol]

We don’t actually have any examples of that

Just the fanart

[drifting jacinth]

A tech priest inquisitor would have a dual loyalty neither groups would love

[dusk patrol]

It’s maybe possible but

We have no examples

[viral yacht]

i'm just thinking what would make sense with the whole "starts on a prison ship" idea in darktide...

[molten swan]

Yeah it limits a lot

[dusk patrol]

The one in Inquisitor Martyr wasn’t a full tech priest

[tulip brook]

lvl 30 scene with a servitor, even funnier than ogryn

[drifting jacinth]

We're not acolytes, we're rejects
You won't see an actually respected character

[dusk patrol]

Tbh it’s easy to justify imo with the great rift

Lots of red tape has been cut

[viral yacht]

only other thing i can think of is a very tech'd up person

[median marsh]

we are called both acolytes and rejects

[molten swan]

You become an acolyte by lvl 30

[dusk patrol]

Or unusual things have happened

[viral yacht]

but not quite mechanicus

[drifting jacinth]

Yeah but they're not gonna make a class that starts at that level

[dusk patrol]

But yes I’d imagine it’ll be a tech adept or enginseer

[median marsh]

They even call you acolyte before level 30 (Hadron specifically iirc)

[viral yacht]

i betcha they'd have a field day making unique quotes with Hadron if there was a tech class

[median marsh]

hadrons peg leg as a penance cosmetic

[viral yacht]

at least at the Mourningstar

[drifting jacinth]

"Wassup my brother in the omnissiah"
-Hadron

[median marsh]

Hadron stalking ogryn is hillarious

"what a ridiculous assertion, you are paranoid"

"YOU EAR THAT SAH"

"Definitely didnt hear her call you paranoid just now."

[molten swan]

She wants to make a kataphron servitor lol

[median marsh]

She's listening in to everyone and everything

[viral yacht]

could also have hadron hijack the mechanicus class' vox mid sentence for some hilarity

[median marsh]

According to zola

[drifting jacinth]

New class
Can carry heavy weapons but can't go up stairs

[dusk patrol]

There’s a lot of fun ideas they could do with a Ad Mech dude

Omnissian axes

Maybe even a grav weapon

[median marsh]

Rad guns

[dusk patrol]

Servitor followers

[dusk patrol]

That too lol

[drifting jacinth]

That's a priest status symbol but I could see one, same way you can buy 20 plasma rifles

[dusk patrol]

Lots of exotic stuff

Force weapons are the most ridiculous

[median marsh]

Woops, I just irradiated the entire area and turned it into Elephant foot 2.0

[dusk patrol]

The fact that the mourning star has all these lying around

[viral yacht]

isn't that what the plasma gun does already essentially?

[dusk patrol]

But yeah we get good shit

[median marsh]

(elephants foot is, or was, the most radioactive object on earth, in Chernobyl)

[dusk patrol]

Power swords, plasma guns, thunder hammers, force weapons

[median marsh]

Plasma doesn't irradiate

Rad guns, used by vanguards, literally irradiate their users with insane levels of radiation

[dusk patrol]

Rad weapons are only used by Skitarii for the most part because their bionics let them survive it longer

Also

[viral yacht]

...well i guess technically not

[drifting jacinth]

Radium pistols 🥰

[dusk patrol]

It’s bad for most war zones lol

[green loom]

Vanguard in general are pretty bad for war zones

[dusk patrol]

But no one cares on a forge world

Shits already fucked

[green loom]

Do you remember that one from psychic awakening that was never looked at again

That was so irradiated tech priests would die from being near it

[drifting jacinth]

Shoots rad weapon
Lowers ambiant radiation

[median marsh]

Reject safety, become an avatar of radiation

[drifting jacinth]

Give ogryn a rad-ripper or I riot

[green loom]

https://youtu.be/m__J1Jw6TxA?si=nby7GdPhPpxbMp_Y

[viral yacht]

time to rack up the friendly fire, lads

[dusk patrol]

Toasty

[tulip brook]

sounds like a cursed rave party

[median marsh]

Radium Girls reboot looking lit

[dusk patrol]

You can’t get irradiated if your levels of radiation already exceed the highest possible amount

It’s science

[drifting jacinth]

You don't need street lamps if the ground glows

[median marsh]

"I am the plutonium rod"

[dusk patrol]

Become one with the radiation

Bonus: Your enemies skin will slough off their bones if they get too close

Win win

[drifting jacinth]

A glowing green omnissian axe would look sick

[dusk patrol]

Glowing Green you say?

Now where

Would you find that

[green loom]

Real mystery

[dusk patrol]

Can’t think of any place

[drifting jacinth]

Not like that

Smh

[median marsh]

Clearly it is a creation of the forge and not something I found in this funky rave tomb

[dusk patrol]

A spoonful of radiant helps your tongue go down your throat and your stomach to be punctured because the flesh is weak you pathetic meatbag

Oh you mean you don’t survive all but anti-tank ordinance causally? Damn

Can’t relate

[median marsh]

I used to play a Magos on Gmod, strapping Abathur quotes to play on demand

Abathur is incredibly compatible with Admech for some reason, Biologis especially

[dusk patrol]

It’s a shame authors don’t always like to show it but

Augmetics get nuts in 40k

[median marsh]

Replace half of your brain with a gaming computer

[dusk patrol]

There’s the one expert of the War Magos causally tearing apart a Long War Veteran terminator squad by himself

And he’s like

Almost disrespectfully not even putting his full attention on it

Dudes who had survived the siege and the heresy

[median marsh]

Magos' are bloody terrifying

[dusk patrol]

And thousands of years after

Tore apart by one Magos who decided he wanted to specialize in tearing shit apart

[median marsh]

you look at Cawl and he is this behemoth of metal and augments with a face peering at you

[dusk patrol]

We see similar things with IH, they’re just absurdly tanky

There’s one book where one get a shanked by a Hive Tyrant with both its swords, and it carve around with them. He proceeds to kill it and just says he’s now only 73% combat effective

[median marsh]

"Nice argument meat bag, one small issue"

[green loom]

Okay, based??

[median marsh]

That's why Admech is one of my favorite factions

I love just how monstrous they are

[dusk patrol]

Different book they comment about how the chaos forces they’re fighting has to break out anti-tank weapons to even hurt the main Iron Father he’s so armored up and tanky

[median marsh]

Which makes seeing memes double painful

[green loom]

A magos would definitely simulate a voice as deep and weird as Abathur's to throw people off

[median marsh]

I used to just walk up to people "Examining Genetic Strands.."

[green loom]

Average Biologis Magos

[median marsh]

"Conversation superfluous, focus upon combat"

"Good sequences, survival likely" while staring down a commissar

Good old days

It didn't help that I built a monster of a frame on top of the Admech model we had

So I was this spider looking mechanical thing with floating tanks of whatever I thought looked cool

Genetors are my favorite subfaction on Admech since you technically can have em fleshy if you please

[dusk patrol]

Ad mech are a lot of fun with the variety of stuff you can do

[median marsh]

Mechanicus game does a really good job portraying them

[drifting jacinth]

I think they tend to like, not show the fleshy bits as a matter of aesthetic
It's more a body horror "oh my god this tank is made of flesh" stuff
But every forge world goes through aesthetic fades fast

[median marsh]

Some don't even speak anymore, they just blast binary

[drifting jacinth]

That game is carried by the art direction and vibes

Loved it but I wish it had deeper gameplay

[drifting jacinth]

An arch-magos becoming a mildly sentient servo skull on death is dope

[median marsh]

Even in death I still serve the Omnissiah

[drifting jacinth]

Fr fr

Though there probably was a very funny thought process of "his brain + implants is big enough to fill a small car, what do we keep ?"

[median marsh]

Become a moving fridge, dab on fleshlings

I like the way Hadron represents Mechanicus, she's somehow both alienating and human at the same time

Her reaction to being 15 or so seconds late is to have you executed

Then at the same time she tries joking with us

A mix of spiritualism and cold calculations

[green loom]

She's my least favourite

[median marsh]

Reddit (for some fukin reason) was really weird about her

She's a good representation of why regular humans struggle with Admech imo

[drifting jacinth]

She's a lot more personable than most admech but given she's inquisitorial staff it actually makes sense

[halcyon mason]

I realized something, the moebian domain is kinda special. I havent seen a case in imperial guard recruitment when an ENTIRE domain contributes to raising a single regiment under the moebian designation. Is this a first in the lore or there are just domains like in Darktide in other places in the galaxu

[median marsh]

Some places exclusively provide troops so I wouldn't say that's exclusively a Moebian thing

Also not sure what you mean by a single regiment

[drifting jacinth]

Fortress worlds mostly do that

[median marsh]

There's quite a few of them, we know of 6th, 21st and there's mentions of a couple more

[halcyon mason]

Well, imperial guard regiments raised from the moebian domain isnt called something like the incron 12th or Atoma 7th. Its labelled moebian, so I thought that it means that a single moebian regiment is formed from people from the entire domain

[green loom]

Cadian regiments stay Cadian regiments despite recruiting from loads of worlds

Wouldn't be surprised if it was similar to the way the Ultramar Auxilia is, with the name being derived from the greater region instead of individual planets

[halcyon mason]

Checked the planetary list of the Cadian system and man, it is not looking good

[queen mist]

I wish there was a first founding legion with a middle eastern/Lawrence of Arabia theme

[normal light]

Well, it mostly because Cadian Regiment is somewhat a standard carcass for Shock Troop regiments for now

[queen mist]

We got space vikings, space mongols, space egyptians, space kingdom of heaven, why not space arabs

[green loom]

Would you really trust GW to make space Arabs and not make them racist

[normal light]

Tallaran?

[crisp heath]

Everyone loves the Tallarn

[queen mist]

Yeah but they're guards

[dusk patrol]

Yeah they’re just represented elsewhere

[queen mist]

I was talking about SM

[dusk patrol]

Well there’s only so many cultures you can do

Earth has a lot of stuff

[normal light]

I don`t see what neesh they could fill

[green loom]

I kinda want to play into Cordoba/Al Andalus with my space knight BA

[normal light]

like they are specializing in what?

[dusk patrol]

Plus arguably the Iron Hands have some Middle Eastern aspects

[queen mist]

I mean the thousand sons specialise in magic and I don't think it has anything to do with the fact they're egyptians

[dusk patrol]

Names like Enoch, Moses, Gabriel

Shadrak

IH have a few different things going on

[normal light]

Still, they need something that would make them less generic and notable

[dusk patrol]

Also Scottish

[crisp heath]

It has everything to do with the fact they're Egyptian

[queen mist]

Oh yeah I forgot ancient egyptians used to have sorcerers everywhere

[dusk patrol]

And yeah fuck me Tsons

Are middle eastern

Persian/Egyptian mix

So there that’s your Middle East legion

[crisp heath]

GW was a bunch of literature students and victorian/edwardian writers are all over both settings. In that period the secret societies these writers were often part of as "Good old boys club" traced their lineage back to Egypt for legitimacy, often to Hermes Trismegistus, who was a mythological Egyptian sorceror

[dusk patrol]

Also like

None of this stuff is 1:1

It borrows from different stuff

[crisp heath]

So these clubs would often have depictions of Egyptian Gods in their lodges with like, spells and stuff carved on them

[dusk patrol]

Imperial Fists have Spanish, German, and Norse influence

[crisp heath]

The Yeats Museum has a lot of this stuff on display, Crowley wrote a lot about "The Egyptian Doctrine", etc

[queen mist]

Also the tallarn are always depicted as white guys it's ridiculous

[crisp heath]

The real secret is Tsons aren't Egyptian themed

They're Edwardian England

[dusk patrol]

They’re more Persian than anything

But they have Egyptian elements

None of it is 1:1 anyways, they’re not supposed to be “this culture but in space”

[crisp heath]

Zoroastrian, Egyptian, Viking, and Celtic all rolled up

[dusk patrol]

They take from a lot of stuff

[crisp heath]

But the viking and celtic stuff is pretty subtle

[dusk patrol]

Like how Kriegs uniforms is a mix of multiple WW1 nations

Iron Hands have Scottish and Jewish elements to them.

World Eaters have a mix of Roman gladiators with Russian stuff

[crisp heath]

But it's all under the banner of "wizard-scholar" and one of the legions most likely to have some kind of posh literary reference which makes me think they're mainly based off of English secret societies from the early 20th century

[dusk patrol]

Among a lot of other things

[queen mist]

White scars are pretty 1:1 if you ask me
Well not actual mongolian culture
An engl*sh guy's perception of mongolian culture

[crisp heath]

Since those secret societies had all those elements

[dusk patrol]

Some are more one thing than others

Space Wolves are similar

But they’re not supposed to be like

Mongols if they made a chapter in space

They’re a planet which had elements of Mongolian culture mixed with other stuff

Same with Fenris

It’s not supposed to be perfectly accurate to our Mongolian or Scandinavia

Or whatever

Just like the Ultramarines have Roman and Greek elements

And Olympia has some Greek elements mixed with other things

[green loom]

And some generic euro stuff with knight crap

[drifting jacinth]

Tsons are just cults of secret : the legion

But then again so are dark angels, they're just mystical foreign cult of secrets vs good ol' english cult of secrets

[queen mist]

Well it's still much less subtle with White Scars

[green loom]

Task force of sex

[dusk patrol]

If you’re determined to be offended I guess

Like look at Caliban

[drifting jacinth]

Wat

[dusk patrol]

Or Fenris

[queen mist]

I'm not offended I'm just stating a fact

I have no horse in this race

[dusk patrol]

Most of them aren’t subtle

Tsons

[drifting jacinth]

Why are you talking about being offended ?

[queen mist]

What I'm saying is WS are the least subtle of the bunch

[dusk patrol]

You think Fenris is somehow less subtle

Or Caliban, the Arthurian knight planet?

[queen mist]

I know absolutely nothing about space wolves because they're cringe

[drifting jacinth]

Based as hell

[dusk patrol]

I mean it sounds like you don’t know much about any of them tbh

[queen mist]

And far and away my least favourite first founding legion

[drifting jacinth]

Space wolves are just GW trying to do a noble savage legion and forgetting to make anything interesting about them

[queen mist]

Rude + projection

[dusk patrol]

My guy, you’re the dude who couldn’t figure out what the middle eastern themed legion was

When the Tsons exist

[drifting jacinth]

That's word bearers

[dusk patrol]

Also them although it’s not as like

In your face as the Tsons

[drifting jacinth]

Egypt is barely in the middle east, word bearers have the whole cradle of religion vibe

[dusk patrol]

Tsons are blatantly a Persian/Egyptian mix

There’s always extra stuff but it’s not subtle for them

Imperial Fists are one of the more mish mashed ones

There’s Spanish, German, somewhat Norse themes

[green loom]

Imp fists are like
Extremely vaguely "Germanic"

[drifting jacinth]

The spanish part is basically just them remembering crimson fists are descended from IF

[dusk patrol]

BA are more renn Italy

[drifting jacinth]

Blood angels are specifically rennaisance italy yeah

[halcyon mason]

Fists have two flavors. Modern day german work ethic and the crusade meme

[drifting jacinth]

Same naming scheme as the ninja turtles

[green loom]

And they fail a lot, just like the crusades!

[queen mist]

My guy, you're the one talking to me about a legion that is clearly pre islamic Egypt and Persia themed when I literally mentioned Lawrence of Arabia. Ancient egyptians and persians didn't have a Lawrence of Arabia theme. The middle east has had a lot of cultural elements over its history

[dusk patrol]

Death Guard are kinda hard to peg down

[drifting jacinth]

Same vibes as german politicians

[dusk patrol]

You said Middle Eastern so we found middle eastern

[drifting jacinth]

Real death guard names are vaguely european peasantry themed, new death guard names are based on the sound you make when burping

[queen mist]

And I also said arabs. The inspiration for the TS predates the arab colonisation

[drifting jacinth]

Burblepox Shmorgusboard

[median marsh]

Burplespue moment

[dusk patrol]

You said, middle eastern

Also, Egyptians are Arabs

[queen mist]

Are you deliberately ignoring the last 4 words of the message

[drifting jacinth]

Word bearers will never be made more explicitly arabic though because Current Events make making a zealot with an arabic name kind of an issue

[dusk patrol]

I mean people brought up Tallarn if you wanna hone it down to be so specific to one trope of Arabic culture

[drifting jacinth]

Which is a shame, I love the aesthetics when they lean into it more

[drifting jacinth]

"Damn, this lawrence dude rocked"
-GW

[queen mist]

They are today, they weren't in 1000BC which is what the TS primarly use for inspiration

[green loom]

Can I have a legion based on this

[drifting jacinth]

Emperor's cats

[dusk patrol]

Well then you have Tallarn I guess if none of the other examples make you happy

[queen mist]

Raven Guard alternate version

[green loom]

They did say marines

[dusk patrol]

There’s only so many first founding legions

There’s some close examples but that’s why successors exist if you want hone in on a theme

Or warbands

[drifting jacinth]

Some Alpha Legion names are arabic iirc but they don't really have it as a unified theme

[dusk patrol]

A lot of legions took from several sources of marines and cultures too

WE were another example of a lot of diversity in cultures

[dry epoch]

Their particular battle strategy is pushing things off other things.

[median marsh]

A tactical maneuver of moving a thing close to the edge, maintaining eye contact the entire time, only to push it back

And then push it off the edge anyway

[dry epoch]

They lay traps for others by lying upside down and exposing their bellies.

[green loom]

Despicable

Truly terrifying beasts

[median marsh]

I wonder if normal cats still somehow exist

I know there are Psychic familiars that look like cats

[drifting jacinth]

I think they don't, but there's probably someone out there who ressurected one and shows it off
Like, a rogue trader or arch-magos

"This beast was worshipped on old terra, before the emperor. Remarquably easy to entertain with some string"
-Arch-Magos Biologis N3-KO

[crisp heath]

Cats are still around and are pretty common pets

[dry epoch]

I like to think they swarm hive cities

And now my brain is inserting feral cats into the Silver Skulls Fortress Monastery on Varsavia

[median marsh]

Ogryn enclaves that protect cats

[celest dome]

Esher have felines pets

Phelynx
Phyrr Cat
Khimerix (Dunno if they'd count)

[tulip brook]

Drumon considered the question a moment. 'Around twelve hours,' he said. 'The cats should have
dispersed enough to locate any active genestealers by that point.'
'Cats?' I echoed, baffled. Plenty of Guard regiments use animals for one purpose or another on
the battlefield, generally as cavalry mounts or attack beasts, but I'd never heard of Astartes doing so;
and even if they did, felines would hardly seem the most likely creatures to give a genestealer a run
for its money.

they are actually talking about:

'Cyber-Altered Task units. Like very simple servitors, without the biological components.'
'Then how do they work?' I asked, even more puzzled than before. I might not have been a tech-
priest, but even I knew it was the living brain which allowed a servitor to remember and process
simple instructions.
but Cain mistaking them for actual cats should be enough evidence for their existence

[green loom]

Look, we get a nice friend

This is definitely Dilara's doing

[median marsh]

It's him, John Flaggelant

[lapis crane]

Vulkan yeet konrad to the void shield to take the hammer

Most hilarious shit I heard in the long time

[median marsh]

I liked the time he reminded Konrad that his hammer can in fact function as a hammer

[earnest snow]

Really a perfect moment tbh

[soft thunder]

Does that mean the cultist markings and runes translate to something?

[celest dome]

They do, they are the Dark Tongue scripts

[dry epoch]

I developed the spoken element 🙂

[celest dome]

Hello Valkia's mom

[storm jungle]

Damn it Dan

[soft thunder]

I didn't even know they had a spoken element, when now at least I have another rabbit hole to go down.

and ya i thought the runes looked familiar lol

[green loom]

You can hear the Dregs speak it

[green loom]

Is the dark tongue alphabet applicable do it?

[soft thunder]

Looks like someone beat me to the runes thing. found a nerd rage post lol

for the runes around the map translated w/ the alphabet thing i mean

[celest dome]

Yeah he was also here too

[dry epoch]

Hello!

[dry epoch]

Visuals aren’t in my wheelhouse 🙂

[green loom]

Alas the history eludes us evermore

[median marsh]

[green loom]

I think I meant to type mystery, I don't know what happened there

[soft thunder]

new mission: transcribe and translate the dreg language immediately dies

[median marsh]

local man goes insane deciphering cultist tongue

[soft thunder]

Most dialogue Hypnotic posted so far for dregs is english, but I found a phrase, Mu'tash'fog Nurgle

voice actor has some proper cthulu pronunciations for some of these lol

[storm jungle]

The most famous one is also just

VUTASH VARG, NUUUURGLE

[earnest snow]

I think I developed a love for dreg gunners. Last match one shouted "FOR NURGLLLLE!" and began laying down suppressing fire on a wall he was right in front of

He was trying to hit the Ogryn on the other side

[dry epoch]

That sounds like a familiar phrase, can’t think why.

[storm jungle]

they repeat it A LOT

the Vutash Varg thing

[soft thunder]

Flamer: zhaarsh'burn'zhaarsh, fu'rasharr (For russia). Gunner: sha'nuaash (but pronounce it like your having a seizure)

[storm jungle]

Lmfao

[storm jungle]

I made this clip just for how HYPE he is when he says that line

[earnest snow]

Yesssss thats exactly how it went

[storm jungle]

hes just SO HAPPY to be firing his LMG

[green loom]

I wonder how many of the enemy VAs are reused from the player lineup

[queen laurel]

Yeah and then a rock that was just randomly picked up from the ground by a mentally stunted giant gets thrown on his face

[green loom]

We know they have range

[queen laurel]

Kind of sad

[storm jungle]

Lmao

[storm jungle]

All the enemy voice actors are unknown people

its shown in imbd iirc

[earnest snow]

The npcs can be beautiful.

I've also noticed that hounds kinda just. Float across the sky when jumping now. I haven't played in a while so maybe I'm noticing it more now than ever

[storm jungle]

thats been always the case ye

they got no idle animation while midair

its like how Hunters in L4D are kinda locked in a single pose mid-jump

[earnest snow]

They look majestic when it happens

[storm jungle]

🙏

[green loom]

Weird that we've had no announcement or anything today

[celest dome]

To early yet to say

[green loom]

Oh right it's only 5 pm

The permanent darkness has my sense for time fucked

[celest dome]

Latest we've got would be in about 2 hours iirc

[soft thunder]

the IMB credits show quite a few as different people from the player VA lineup

I feel like a couple of the mourningstar npcs are from the player VA linup though. I feel like tallar=F pro, prask=M cadian, stane=F LC?, nessian=rannick?, leng=M pro, marroc=M savant doing M judge impression?

all those are guessing and half are probably wrong

[warm notch]

Who tf names their kid stane

You’re just asking for them to get bullied at that point

[soft thunder]

I mean she sounds like the one who does the bullying XD

[celest dome]

Stane may be his family name

[soft thunder]

ya it's very likely it's all last names of people, just like zola and morrow etc.

so that nerd rage post i refered to earlier says some of the runes on the map translate to M O Tz Aa Sh Ch Aa Gh, which is similar to the Mu'tash'fog Nurgle! or (Vutash Varg, Nurgle!) we hear from dregs so often.

So the markings must translate into dreg words, and not "gibberish" as the post complains about. Gonna double check the runes and translations w/ the fantasy dark tongue "alphabet" later

[storm jungle]

well the lady herself said she worked on the language for the game so i wouldnt be surprised

[warm notch]

Rosetta Stone Nurglese when

[median marsh]

someone did translate some runes a while back iirc

[dense salmon]

You may be happy, but you'll never be as happy as the dreg gunner

Honestly all the dreg specialist voice acting gives off the impression they're just giddy

FIRE

DEATH

RENEWAL

Well, maybe not the mutant or rager

[tulip brook]

it's the characteristic of nurgle followers

that or depression

[dense salmon]

Yeah

Nurgle is probably the best option if you're just an average chaos worshipper

Live in pure ecstacy

[tulip brook]

this is my asspull but they may have the least choice or fault on their fall

already being in pain or deep in misery and just seeking for release

or plain getting infected

[dry epoch]

It genuinely brings me joy that people are working on translation.

[versed ledge]

Someone is translating heretic language?

How...

[vale fjord]

So

Whats up with skulls the 40kverse

Heck, skulls in warhammer in general

[urban spire]

just an aesthetic

[queen laurel]

It's just that because it brings in basically the grim dark aspect of the classic horror because if you see a skull it usually means a bad thing

And hey skulls are pretty much the classic way of making something look pretty cool

[vale fjord]

So there's no lore in it

[soft thunder]

warhammer fantasy beast tongue runes is basically the main source for dark tongue and chaos language stuff in warhammer

[winged jacinth]

It's "gothic"

[soft thunder]

or only source

[urban spire]

the imperium is the bad guys, so they have skulls on everything

https://youtu.be/ToKcmnrE5oY

see: mitchell and webb

[dire apex]

TTS had the emperor say that the skull is meant to represent how even when stripped to its most base form that man is beautiful but i have no idea if that is based in any actual lore or not

[dense salmon]

Servoskulls are actual human skulls turned into robots

Because AI is technoheresy

The next best thing is a human brain

[vale fjord]

I know that

I know each skulls is a human skull (off not all of them)

I was asking about the lore behind the copious amount of skulls in warhammer

[median marsh]

Followers of Khorne collect them as a form of worship

hence the Skulls for the Skull throne

[vale fjord]

Like what do they represent to the point people even use them for symbols or stuff

Aside from the khorne stuff cuz that's obvious

[winged jacinth]

Servo-skulls don't have brains in them any more in most cases iirc

Sometimes they store the remaining knowledge of someone who died but usually they're just a cogitator on an antigrav unit

[vale fjord]

[winged jacinth]

The imperiums relationship with computers is complicated

Im surprised none of the planets have an internet afaik

[vale fjord]

Do the space marine see the adeptus mechanicus as heretics (since they believe in the omnissiah instead of the god emperor (even tho they know he exists they just view him as a vessel))

[dusk patrol]

^

[dusk patrol]

Most Space Marines don’t worship the Emperor at all

and chapters and Techmarines who are part of the cult mechanicus tend to just call the Emperor and the Omnissiah interchangeably

They tend to revere, not worship

[vale fjord]

Certain space marines then

[dusk patrol]

With some exceptions of course

[winged jacinth]

The official position of the ecclesiarcy is that the omnissiah and the emperor are one and the same

[dusk patrol]

But the Omnissiah is worshiped as he’s just another form of the Emperor

[remote blaze]

Mechanicus is allowed to worship the Omnissiah, part of the first treaty during the Unification.

[dusk patrol]

A trinity

[warm notch]

What’s the other part then?

Omnissiah, Big E, ?

[remote blaze]

The Omnissiah, The Machine Spirit and The Motive Force

[dusk patrol]

It’s the Motive Force, Omnissiah, Machine Spirit

[warm notch]

And they all comprise Big E?

Sorta? Depending on who you ask?

[vale fjord]

Gork and Mork for da orkz

[winged jacinth]

Depends who you ask

[dusk patrol]

Sorry Machine God

But yeah, Omnissiah, Machine God, Motive Force

[winged jacinth]

In reality the omnissiah might be a ctan shard

[remote blaze]

Big E is the Omnissiah's representative. Tech Jesus basically.

[dusk patrol]

They’re a trinity like the Christian version so

Technically kinda

[warm notch]

I just love how even in a society that organizes itself on rituals and dogma can’t even get itself to believe in the same thing, much like irl

I wonder how close they are to forming their own version of Protestantism

Or Big E’ism with blackjack and hookers

[dusk patrol]

But the Omnissiah is typically how they refer to him

[vale fjord]

Pretty much like our past (roman, Greek, yadda yadda)

[remote blaze]

Mechanicus are just future tech Catholics

[dusk patrol]

There’s been and are plenty of schisms within the Ad Mech

[warm notch]

“What do you mean the pope is divinely chosen by god and pretty much speaks for the entire church???”

[dusk patrol]

The Moirae schism being the most prominent

[warm notch]

I love “Catholics” fighting with the pope

If they’re fighting with the pope then they’re not Catholic lmao

[vale fjord]

What about Christians

[dusk patrol]

I wouldn’t agreed with that lol

[vale fjord]

Okay why are we talking about religioun now actually

[warm notch]

Shrug

It’s funny

[dusk patrol]

Not to get into religion but the pope can be disagreed with

[warm notch]

Oh really?

[dusk patrol]

But anyways

[warm notch]

I thought he had final say on everything

[winged jacinth]

Depends if they made their own pope and declared the sitting pope antipope (this happened multiple times)

[dusk patrol]

Not getting into it on here

[vale fjord]

Tf

Antipope?

[warm notch]

That’s awesome

Anyways

[remote blaze]

Religion and 40k are intrinsic

[dusk patrol]

Yeah Catholic history is colorful

[winged jacinth]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipope

[vale fjord]

Ah

Man

There's so many words

Words that doesn't sound like it exists but it does

[winged jacinth]

Catholic doctrine has had a long time to gather terms

[vale fjord]

It hurts my bRAaiaain

[dusk patrol]

Anyways, worship of the Omnissiah is fine with almost everyone involved

[vale fjord]

Alright

[dusk patrol]

Especially since Techmarines from most chapters are inducted as full members of the machine cult

[warm notch]

And of course because the Imperium needs Admech or everything falls apart (faster)

They can turn a blind eye

[dusk patrol]

They both need each other so yeah

[vale fjord]

Atleast certain adeptus astartes don't view it as heretical

[dusk patrol]

They work it out

[remote blaze]

Inquisition just counts E as the Omnissiah and looks the other way. Mechanicus polices ita own unless things get out of hand (Belisarius)

[warm notch]

Admech x Imperium toxic yaoi when

[dusk patrol]

Titanicus has a plot line about them finding evidence that the Emperor isn’t the Omnissiah

[vale fjord]

No.

[dusk patrol]

And the ad mech leaders suppress it by the end

After a small civil war

Because they’re aware that it doesn’t matter if it’s true

They need each other

Realpolitik and all that

[vale fjord]

I wanna see how a space marine would look if they raise their hands or sumth

Just saying cuz of the big shoulder pads

[warm notch]

Yeah I imagine they don’t have good range of motion

[winged jacinth]

In general the space marines follow a more accurate version of what the Big E actually thought though, presumably because they live so long and there's still heresy era dreadnoughts about

[remote blaze]

One, Bjorn

[winged jacinth]

One we know of

[remote blaze]

Two technically, but we dont talk about the Word Bearer

[vale fjord]

Yeaa

[vale fjord]

Oh

[dusk patrol]

The shoulder pads can raise up as needed

[vale fjord]

Well them

Tgen

Then

[winged jacinth]

Also there were probably a lot more only a few thousand years ago which is like 2 marine generations

[warm notch]

Imagine a space marine having the agility of an acrobat

[vale fjord]

Now thats funny looking

[dusk patrol]

Some do

[warm notch]

Wait don’t they already kinda do

Yeah

[vale fjord]

And uncomfy

[vale fjord]

Ehh

With them big armor I wouldn't sayyy so?

[tulip brook]

yup, oversized shoulderpads don't sit flush on shoulders

[winged jacinth]

The armor is not encumbering because its powered

[vale fjord]

Riiight I forgot that it's powered by their packs

[warm notch]

And directly connected to their nervous system or something right?

[winged jacinth]

In effect they have bigger levers to maneuver with

[dusk patrol]

A good example

[remote blaze]

They actually move faster in the armor, so fast that they're a blur to mortals when fighting at full speed.

[winged jacinth]

Via a geneseed organ under the skin iirc

[tulip brook]

black carapace

[warm notch]

That’s so raw

I love that

[storm jungle]

Those depictions are always stupid tbh

Marines are not agents from the Matrix

[winged jacinth]

I don't think the whole body is a blur but the ends of the limbs i could definitely see

[storm jungle]

Astartes is prob the best showcase.

[tulip brook]

they are so fast they can't run in terminator armor yadayada

[warm notch]

Even if they’re not as agile they have really fast reflexes to compensate no?

[dusk patrol]

They can they just can’t sprint

[winged jacinth]

I mean people can move fast enough their hands blur

[dusk patrol]

They’re slower, not slow

And some still can sprint

[remote blaze]

This

[storm jungle]

The blur thing is mostly done because it sounds cool when you are reading a book.

[vale fjord]

Please tell me you're being sarcastic

[remote blaze]

I speak only what the books say

[vale fjord]

I CANT SLELL

Fair enough then

[winged jacinth]

I can see a space marine having the limb speed to throw a 200 mph fastball is all im saying

Swing sword so fast its a blur

Not that crazy

[vale fjord]

I always thought of the astartes calling their dreadnought as "grandpa"

My headcanon hush

[tulip brook]

then there are harlequins they look like blur of colors etc

[remote blaze]

They can use grenades as non lethals by whipping them into peoples heads

[winged jacinth]

The reason they don't is because their "father" is their primarch i imagine

[soft thunder]

If anyone has images of heretic writing on the walls send an image my way, they are a big rarer than I thought. Found 2 in hab dreyko though.
(blue wall) hab dreyko
N U Rh Gu L
L O (?) S Y O U

(yellow, prior to hab laranax elevator)
(A lot of these are used upsidedown or backwards runes:
Backwards: Aa, Ar, Ak, Gh
Upsidedown: [W,uu], Y)
Gh Aa Rh h?/S? H Aa Ar Aa (backwards lettering?)
Ul O h?/S? Ar Aa Rh [E,ii] [W,uu]
Sh Aa Y Ak Aa

[tulip brook]

also too close to nurgle

[warm notch]

When personalities refer to Zealots as “priest”, does that mean they’re like an ordained priest or can it be read as a sign of respect? Ik that different cultures and whatever have different ways of worship.

[remote blaze]

Nurgle loves you. How very grandfatherly of him.

[warm notch]

Tho zealots do talk about giving sermons and whatnot

[vale fjord]

That's true thats true

[winged jacinth]

Imagine if calling your grandfather grandfather was illegal in the imperium lol

[vale fjord]

So then

Big brother!

[dusk patrol]

I think people overestimate how fast you need to move to be a blur too

[remote blaze]

Sigismund killing 11 traitors in 15 seconds is pretty fast lol

[green loom]

They first one is probably "Nurgle Loves you"

Oh

[tulip brook]

fighting against them in melee, yeah sure I take it. an open field rush against enemy lines, no way.

[vale fjord]

I bet the rejects (LORE WISE) are space marine level

Key word bet

[remote blaze]

No, there would only be one of us per mission then.

[vale fjord]

Ehhh

[remote blaze]

Nothing we've seen in Tertium comes close to requiring more than one Astartes to handle

[dusk patrol]

Astartes are fast

[vale fjord]

It really depends on how heinous the mission is come to think of it

[dusk patrol]

Well, idk about that

All the monsters are more than capable of killing an Astartes

Theres a lot of hand waving with what our dudes do

[remote blaze]

Oh a ton

[tulip brook]

still falling short of killing 4 of them

at least bosses

[dusk patrol]

The bosses just

[arctic talon]

Ima be real with you that plague ogryn should

kill anything we got lol

[dusk patrol]

Frankly theyre non canon as far as I’m concerned

[remote blaze]

4 dipshits killing an actual demon? Only with plot.

[dusk patrol]

Plague Ogryn should destroy us

Beast of Nurgle too

[arctic talon]

I can see the plague ogryn sorta

but the beast of nurgle

we're absolutely fucking dead

[dusk patrol]

Chaos Spawn and Daemon host I guess could be variable

[arctic talon]

unless faith is quite literally our shield

in which that case sure

The Spawn is def doable

[dusk patrol]

Daemon host could be a super weak one bound a ton

[arctic talon]

Spawn are super variable by nature of being spawn

[tulip brook]

4 sm can handle those but rejects with little to no protection against plague, no way