40k-lore-chat

[crisp heath]

It's not really hard to see eldar make progress in their abilities over time and apply new rankings when new feats happen..

Sure

I agree

[dense salmon]

And by human standards we couldn't quantify the more powerful eldar, and certainly not the chaos gods

The scale should fit what we measure

[arctic talon]

Big E is still the single strongest psyker we know of in the setting

so I guess label him as the peak and work down from there?

[dense salmon]

I think the scale works because emperor, malcador, etc are the extreme outliers

The scale also factors in blanks

Which work in the reverse order of psykers

[crisp heath]

Idk, Emperor is human. By his standards. He could quantify them. And that's why I think the scale above alpha+ is valid. Because there's gotta be something that separates things apart, even at that level. And when it comes to reality warping, we can look at marvel to see that it's not all the same and that there are levels to even that shit lol. Franklin richards pre retcon vs the Beyonder is a laugh of a fight.

[dense salmon]

The emperor did have a lot of knowledge on the eldar

But emperor producing the custodes and primarchs

Was like

Using magic to create a new race of humans

Which imo is a crazy feay

Feat*

[storm jungle]

Nah thats here to stay i think, its a non-trademarked symbol

mostly because monks but still

[crisp heath]

Lolol

[storm jungle]

It does have an in-universe meaning even tho its a stolen symbol but eh

same with the chaos star

[arctic talon]

they could find another one tbf

this ones like really recognizable lol

its just funny seeing it

[storm jungle]

[urban spire]

the psyker classifications aren't even consistent with themselves

[storm jungle]

yeah even certain Stages have classifications which also almost dont explain anything or the abilities you can do

its purposefully inconsistent

[urban spire]

ravenor has been described as both beta and alpha plus by the same author

[storm jungle]

Abnett Moment

[arctic talon]

Abnett is ballin

[wet sandal]

My guy is a switch, get off his back

[arctic talon]

Can elves in WHF grow facial hair

I forgor

[crisp heath]

I agree. And I also think it could be done better. But i also like to think that fluidity in the rankings doesn't make them any less accurate. A fighter at the blue belt can sometimes unleash strength much greater then his usual during a match. Anyone can have their on day where shit works for them and they let out power above their pay grade and don't succumb to mind herpes.

[arctic talon]

I'm like 80% sure they can't

[crisp heath]

And yes, like Asian karate teacher goaties I think

[dense salmon]

Dilara mentioned the chaos symbol is lifted straight out of elric before

And it is

Mf even looks like an eldar

[storm jungle]

Yeah the dark elves from warhammer fantasy were straight up Melniboneans

down to just worshipping chaos

the dark eldar came after that

[bleak aurora]

just had a minor thought. does Krieg have ogryns or are they *just * regular humans?

[arctic talon]

you are stealing what I have rightfully plagerized - Gamesworkshop

[storm jungle]

KEK

[arctic talon]

They can get sent Ogryns

[storm jungle]

Ogryns get assigned to regiments

[arctic talon]

^

[storm jungle]

they are a resource

but they can usually uh adopt the regiment they are a part of culture

[urban spire]

an ogryn is like a car

[dense salmon]

Ogryn are very impressionable

[urban spire]

a car that doesn't like to go in tunnels

[storm jungle]

^

[dense salmon]

Because they aren't very bright

[storm jungle]

with Darktide this has basically been confirmed by GW

because any cosmetic that gets added into this game goes by them first lol

they obviously okay'd Zealot/Psyker/Ogryn Krieg sets for money sure

but it inadvertedly also confirms them being possible in lore so

[crisp heath]

I mean it makes sense they'd have some

[wet sandal]

Each set has its own little lore piece, and the Krieger just goes "this guy? yeah we don't know how he got here"

[urban spire]

feel sorry for the psykers who get attached to a krieg regiment

you go through the hell of sanctioning and you're like "ok well i'm going to war but at least that's over"

and then you end up with the fucking kriegers

[storm jungle]

Its less "having" more just "why are they dressed up in regiment outfits"

this hasn't been a thing in 40k since ever

[arctic talon]

Tbh, at least they aren’t super extra xenophobic towards psykers

Because there are regiments that are uh

[storm jungle]

💀

be like Red Scorpions

[arctic talon]

Special

[storm jungle]

"We focus on genetic purity."

40k isn't satire btw totally

[urban spire]

i just watched all of hellsing ultimate i don't wanna think about nazis for a little while

i really need new hobbies

[arctic talon]

Tbh all the dkok cosmetics made sense already except for the ogryn one

But I like the ogryn one giving confirmation

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[dense salmon]

Millennium group are meant to be like

The batshit esoteric gnosticism group of the nazis

[arctic talon]

funnily enough 1/2 the cosmetics are arguably represented in the krieg killteam lol

[dense salmon]

The craziest of the crazies

[arctic talon]

since they're all "veteran guardsmen"

[storm jungle]

yeah they are

[arctic talon]

and there's an option to take one thats a religous maniac

[dense salmon]

And they genetically engineered a carboy

Catboy*

[storm jungle]

but like, Hellsing's fascination with nazi imagery is legit cringe

[storm jungle]

whos dressed like a Hitler Youth

[urban spire]

carboy

[storm jungle]

LOL

[dense salmon]

Japan was going through a phase

[arctic talon]

"the zealot veteran"

he gets a book

[urban spire]

https://media.tenor.com/K0_SjsZJzWoAAAAC/turbo-teen-transformation.gif

[storm jungle]

what in the FUCK

[burnt maple]

Now watch abridged.

Great fun.

[urban spire]

yeah i watched abridged immediately after

some of those early episodes have NOT aged well

[storm jungle]

^

[burnt maple]

XD

[storm jungle]

their humor is EXTREMELY cringe

lmao

the others thankfully get more mature

[arctic talon]

Transformers

[urban spire]

turbo teen

[storm jungle]

[burnt maple]

Oh, well.

I enjoy the simple, immature humor.

[dense salmon]

Watching old dbza is worse

[urban spire]

there is just a lot of slurs

slurs and being weird about women

[arctic talon]

I just noticed this guy has the Grenadier armor lol

or he stole it off of a grenadier

[burnt maple]

Yoooo, nice!

[storm jungle]

damn, sounds like the 40k fandom

[arctic talon]

I think I've only seen this killteam irl like

[burnt maple]

I tried to homebrew a guardsman regiment once...

[arctic talon]

5 times

[green loom]

Guys I think Vashtoor has it out for me

[burnt maple]

Went poorly xD

[arctic talon]

oof

[green loom]

Pc gone

[dense salmon]

A whole generation now doesn't get the whole "atleast i still have you tom" joke from dbza's first episode

[burnt maple]

My sympathies.

[arctic talon]

oh no

[dense salmon]

Oh on the topic of hellsing

The dude who made it was originally an nsfw mangaka

Certain words are blocked so you know what I mean

Kind of explains the cringe fanservice

A big reason I tend to steer clear of a lot of manga/anime is the lewdness is tasteless

Not judging those who do enjoy it

[grave sparrow]

I had a scare this morning, my PC did a force reset since "something went wrong", and then kept restarting into bios.

I just hit the power button and it buffed out so I got lucky lol

[green loom]

I'm fairly certain my hard drive finally up and died

[storm jungle]

Yeah I know what you mean

entire reason I hated Schrodinger

fucking freak lol

[dense salmon]

I felt embarrassed watching rip van winkle's death scene

It was badass until they made it weirdly sexual

[burnt maple]

Oh, that. That was shit indeed.

[storm jungle]

Anime

[burnt maple]

Damn, you made me remember it.

[dense salmon]

Alucard catching that bullet in his mouth was awesome

I wish they did more of that and less of like

Haha seras your boobs are huge

[storm jungle]

Heh.

Women.

[burnt maple]

Oh, it is an old anime. Standards were different.

Give it a break, even though it is weird.

[dense salmon]

I would argue media is getting more NSFW and exploitative, not less

[burnt maple]

It is. Just in a different way.

[dense salmon]

Thats a problem with entertainment as an industry though

[arctic talon]

Chainsaw man is prolly the only media with any like semi regular lewdness in it I enjoy

[burnt maple]

Sex sells? Yeah, welcome to modern world.

[arctic talon]

Mostly since it’s portrayed as something bad

[dense salmon]

There is a point to it though

[arctic talon]

Or exploitive

Yeah

[dense salmon]

It's a coming of age story

[arctic talon]

It’s not just fan service

[dense salmon]

Like FLCL

[arctic talon]

It also helps show how Denji is

Still literally a teenager

He’s like 16 💀

[dense salmon]

When you get later in the manga denji discovers healthy bonds and maturity

[arctic talon]

Yeah

I’m aware

[burnt maple]

Yup. Definitely better than other protagonists overly pure.

[arctic talon]

||he also ends up losing all his friends and found family||

[burnt maple]

That is cringe.

[dense salmon]

Yeah, it's rough

[arctic talon]

I know why

But also it hurts

[dense salmon]

People say chainsawman is pointless slop but it definitely had a message

[dusk patrol]

Its one thing I appreciated with AoT

[arctic talon]

It has a message on heathy development

Mental health

Nature vs nurture

Ect.

It’s got actual good themes to it

[dense salmon]

Yes

[dusk patrol]

I actually got my mom and dad into AoT because it didn't have any cringe fan service stuff. The violence was a tough sell but my mom got into the story so she kinda managed to overlook it lol.

[dense salmon]

Its a message a lot of young men can get behind imo

I got my girlfriend into FLCL

[burnt maple]

Can you imagine a 40k anime? XD

[dusk patrol]

There's other anime I wish I could try to get them into but, fuck I don't wanna reccomend some of the cringe creepy stuff a lot of anime has.

[dusk patrol]

40k is already an anime

[dense salmon]

Berserk also has insane levels of depravity

[arctic talon]

Also consent is important is a theme that’s hammered in

[burnt maple]

... You are not wrong

[dense salmon]

But it's a beautiful story

[dense salmon]

Consent, what to value in a partner, found family/friendship, overcoming abuse

[arctic talon]

Denji single father arc

[dense salmon]

Yeah the new stuff is so heartwarming

[arctic talon]

It’s sweet

[dense salmon]

Flcl is very similar to chainsawman in a lot of ways

[burnt maple]

Flcl?

[dense salmon]

Just lacks the straightforward narrative

[dense salmon]

Classic anime that influenced a lot of modern stuff

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/710JHFTEAML._UF1000,1000_QL80_.jpg

[burnt maple]

Huh, did not see this.

[dense salmon]

would highly recommend

it's kind of hard to really understand what's going on

because most of it is extremely zaney allegory

but there is a story

[burnt maple]

May take you up on that recommendation.

[dense salmon]

but it hits a lot of the same notes that CSM does

a lonely adolescent suddenly receiving a lot of attention from an older, manipulative figure

ambitions of heroism and adventure

etc

[burnt maple]

Mhm.

[desert dust]

I used to love flcl as a teen and now it's just unwatchable

[desert dust]

It's 40k got to much in common with anime tropes to.
Power of friendship/brotherhood and personal will is the only way to gain powers to overcome and combat corruption.

The primach lions waking up book felt like isekai trash with the over powered MC that everyone who meets him wants to suck his dick 5 minutes after meeting him.

All we need is 40k cooking book and 40k HS drama with them training to become the bestest commissar, pyker, assassin, inquisitor.

[storm jungle]

I was gonna say yeah.

40k employs an incredible amount of anime tropes lol

[burnt maple]

True enough.

[storm jungle]

its just, you know, not done in a cartoony style

mostly

[burnt maple]

But I was speaking of art style, media style not contents ._.

[burnt maple]

Exactly what I would love to see.

[desert dust]

I would love to see a 40k short with them styling the humans in like a old school comic style and have the tau as modern anime style

[vale fjord]

So where do yall think darktide takes place in the warhammer universe

[winter vessel]

Ah hell can’t remember the last time I watched this, takes me back

[crisp heath]

We are somewhere in that big circle

@vale fjord

Or near it

[vale fjord]

I meant lore wise not the location

Mb for the misinterpretation

[crisp heath]

Like timeline?

[vale fjord]

Yea

[crisp heath]

Ohhh

[vale fjord]

Cadia's been destroyed and chatter about the indomitus crusade

[crisp heath]

Shit I'm not sure... @storm jungle? I think its after something major...

[green loom]

It's vaguely during/between the immediate onset of Gathering Storm 3 and the Indomitus crusade

[arctic talon]

It’s after the indomitus crusade begins

And uhhh

Probably before the psychic awakening?

[green loom]

No I think psykers mention it

[dense salmon]

between guilliman's resurrection and the end of the indomitus crusade

lion isn't awake yet in darktide

primaris have been deployed for long enough for statues of them to appear

[green loom]

Lion isn't woke yet

[dense salmon]

if lion were real he'd do cocaine and box kangaroos probably

[arctic talon]

Nvm then

[vale fjord]

Alrighty

[soft thunder]

Ya I think seer initiates the convo about all the new psyker 'siblings' after the psykic awakening

[vale fjord]

Not related to lore or anything (possibly) but what do the orkz think of digganobz (ik they are really old but humans thinking they were orkz are fascinating)

[arctic talon]

The orks that know they exist find them annoying

Which is on gorkamorka

They’re unknown aside from that

[vale fjord]

Fair enough

[vale fjord]

If I was an orky boy I too would be annoyed by some random 'umies copying our style

[arctic talon]

Gorkamorka(the planet) is a ticking time bomb

Because odds are the Necrons on it are waking up lol

[vale fjord]

Yikes

Well won't the orkz have a great time fighting them necrons?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

But it’s more so the planet is gona get even more violent

When the crons wake up fully

[vale fjord]

Fair

Yet another question

Why exactly did they install recoil on lasguns

[green loom]

Why wouldn't they

[arctic talon]

Lore wise it varies, not all lasguns are recoiless, some actual do have real recoil

Gameplay wise

People love recoil on guns

[green loom]

Also iirc

[arctic talon]

When there were 2 guns with the exact same stats in cod games

[green loom]

They tested it without recoil

[arctic talon]

People preferred the ones that “kicked” more

[green loom]

And it felt like garbage

[arctic talon]

Recoil in gameplay good

It’s what makes guns feel good

Especially visual recoil

Makes the gun feel stronger

[green loom]

Visual feedback make brain juices feel good

It's why the Lasgun moves very slightly when you turn the flashlight on

[vale fjord]

Question not relating to gameplay but fair enough asnwers

[arctic talon]

Lore wise there’s also the fact

That some lasguns have recoil built into them

So pdf soldiers get used to them

Since they might be using autoguns which have recoil

Gives the shooter feedback on that your gun does in fact actually work

[dense salmon]

although the lasguns fire light, which has no mass

the reaction that light causes iodizes the air in the path of the light

and around the barrel of the gun

causing a lightning bolt effect

which is where the recoil comes from

[vale fjord]

I see

[dense salmon]

the laser you see (the red beam) isn't actually the light

as the light would be outside our range of vision

what you ARE seeing is the retinal afterburn of that light

[vale fjord]

I see I see

[dense salmon]

also why it lingers

it's also what produces the thunk noise of the lasgun

the iodized air

[vale fjord]

So basically lasguns shoots invisible laser bullets if there were no retinal afterburns (as well as the thunk you mentioned)

[dense salmon]

not bullets

waves

[soft thunder]

I'd give this a listen if you want someone to really go in depth https://youtu.be/CF8ex1Fgj0Q?si=fmsTQMdCNYUdYXrs but books mention both recoil and non recoil las gun. Are they even lasers? No one knows, lasguns are just scifi gobbledegook

[dense salmon]

the light that comes out of them is sometimes called a lasBOLT

[vale fjord]

I'm more comfy with saying bullets tho but thanks for the corrections

[dense salmon]

which i believe is due in part to the lightning bolt effect

[soft thunder]

if they were lasers they would have no mass for impact either, just slowly melting and heating things up. Would also need to constantly adjust the distance of what you want to heat up. No bullet-like effects at all

[vale fjord]

I know I'm comfy in saying bullets

Or lasers

Or both in one

[dense salmon]

the photophoretic effect can cause a laser to have an impact on something

[vale fjord]

Just preference

[dense salmon]

if one particular area absorbs enough heat, the temperature would cause it to move

in theory you could push an object with enough focused light

even though the light has no mass

[soft thunder]

not a bullet still tho

[dense salmon]

agreed

a concentrated wave of light

which is channeled and closed for a fraction of a second

the interactions the lasguns have are totally plausible in the real world though

[vale fjord]

Man this smart talk hurts me brain in a good way

[dense salmon]

light also carries momentum despite not having mass

which is how the concept of solar sails functions

momentum is a physical concept that exists regardless of mass

[soft thunder]

I'd hesitate even calling it light, like a concentrated/condensed energy bolt, rather than anything limitted to the electromagnetic spectrum

[dense salmon]

different sources conflict

but i believe the majority of lasguns to fire light

[soft thunder]

scifi energybolt gobbledegook in darktide, but books are all over the place

just one of those things to not think too much about

[dense salmon]

i find the topic of laser weapons in scifi fascinating because there is a lot of real-world precedent for these reactions occuring

but it wouldn't surprise me if a combination of the light wave and the lightning bolt effect are in play on the receiving end

[green loom]

For 40k lasgun recoil varies based on who bothers describing it

[arctic talon]

Real

[green loom]

Like in some books it'll be described as having it, in some not

In Pariah Nexus it has no recoil but it does in the SM2 trailer

[dense salmon]

probably some technology they have to change the reactions of the air when firing?

idk what tactical purpose that would serve

[green loom]

You expect reason where there is none

[dense salmon]

pretty much

the real reason is because different authors have different ideas

[green loom]

Like there's definitely some lines of reasoning to explain xyz, but it's fucky when the portrayal is as varied as the explanations

[dense salmon]

you could use science to justify either scenario

[green loom]

Schrodinger's lasgun

[dense salmon]

i'd ask a techpriest to explain

but if they bothered to break it down in english it would still be indecipherable

[arctic talon]

Ask some enginseer who’s still mostly human

[dense salmon]

"machine spirit vicious, recoil goes boom"

[arctic talon]

Problem solved

[soft thunder]

Hadron: Directed energy weapon, varlet.

[dense salmon]

even directed energy is a vague term

a bullet is directed kinetic energy

[soft thunder]

exactly

The real question is why is the term laser and laser accessories the go-to scifi weapon? Dune has more thought put into this stuff if you want something of more substance to dig your teeth into.

that and flying cars

[dense salmon]

i guess because projectile weapons are familiar and lasers aren't

laser guns are a thing though irl

you just won't see a soldier lugging one around lol

[green loom]

They're like
Anti missile/protester stuff right

[dense salmon]

yeah

[soft thunder]

ya the way 40k depicts lasers is way off, or just gotta embrace the nonsense. Ya the missile defense is the only meaningful military use seen so far

[green loom]

It's supposed to be poorly understood dark age super tech that's stupid easy to manufacture and supply

[dense salmon]

leave your charge packs in the sun for a few hours and they're fully charged

i'm convinced if you poured gatorade on them you'd at least partially charge them

[arctic talon]

Mmm electrolytes

[soft thunder]

Also, anyone know what this operative's name is? He was in the canival trailer too, but I've never heard him make a comment to my character like all the other npc's.

He's at teh entrance when you first walk in on the left. The guy on the right, across from melk, talks plenty, but this guy? Nothing

[green loom]

He has no VA

So we dunno

I've got a list of all the ones we know though

[soft thunder]

I just updated the fandom w/ them as well lmao

[green loom]

I gathered up the names out of boredom over a month ago

[soft thunder]

https://warhammer-40k-darktide.fandom.com/wiki/The_Mourningstar#Warband_NPC's

[green loom]

Also fuck

I won't be able to play part 2

[soft thunder]

Unknown Operative (entrance, left)
Operative Molsk (entrance, right)
Operative Morti (Servitor Guard near Hadron)
Operative Soltag (Brunt's Armoury corner)
Operative Tallar (Mission room entrance, left, female)
Operative Klaar (Mission room entrance, right, male)
Operative Drall (Mission room, Commissary corner)
Operative Marroc (Barber Chirurgeon guard)
Operative Lensk (Psykhanium guard, green)
Operative Prask (Psykhanium guard, red)
Agent Leng (Mission Terminal, male)
Agent Stane (Mission Terminal, female)
Overseer Nessian (Seated at computer)
Overseer Marsett (Standing by computer, near hangar)

marroc, lensk, and prask are my favs

[dense salmon]

lmao

[green loom]

Lensk and Prask seem like they're

Unstable

[soft thunder]

prask is 100% unstable; warp-influence or depressed or something

[green loom]

I think Lensk is the one that wants the voices to stop

[soft thunder]

nah thats prask, lensk is the one in green and is just an old lad

[green loom]

I like Soltag and Molsk

[soft thunder]

i imagine those two always talking shit about my bad rolls and weapon purchases

i like em as well lol they're some goons

[dense salmon]

hadron too proud to admit when she bricks your weapons

[celest dome]

Have you looked at external ssd ?

[green loom]

Doesn't matter anymore

[winged jacinth]

yo hold up... the star child emperor baby is back?

maybe gw really is cooking some big shakeups

[shadow plover]

an excuse to have Cadian survivors as PCs

[crisp heath]

@crisp heath well, for a few reasons. It's an intriguing section of the materium. We are right between four important segmentums, the eye of terror is near, the Halo stars, Cadia. Lots of reasons

[shadow plover]

Agrapinaa and Armageddon are pretty close as well

[dusk patrol]

Medusa should be close by as well interestingly enough.

[urban spire]

cadia is close to a lot of places now that it's been turned into galactic dust

please take your shoes off before entering my planet i don't want you tracking cadia all over the carpet

[tulip brook]

surely it can't travel that far, it hasn't even been that long

[urban spire]

it'll get smeared around by warp travel

[green loom]

Warp travel

[tulip brook]

fair enough. with ig loving cadian shock troops that much, it might be all over the galaxy

[urban spire]

changing the classification of cadia on lexicanum to "asteroid belt"

[rose thorn]

Turns out, my college’s library has like

Reviews for all the warhammer games

[radiant lance]

Is being an Inquisitor a neat job? It feels like you're actually above a lot of the bullshit of the imperium and can actually act rationally

[hallow basin]

It definitely has the most job opportunities, and you can risk your life as much as you want to, just don't slack off too much or fellow inquisitor will investigate

[storm jungle]

Being an Inquisitor is an awful and one of the most thankless jobs you can get in the setting.

You will spend your entire life trying to save your civilization from threats that won't stop popping up every week until you eventually die to one of them or political infighting costs you your life, the amount of bullshit you can be above of is also entirely dependant on your prestige and reputation.

[radiant lance]

Tbh, the entire imperium is made of thankless jobs that will get you killed

[storm jungle]

Yeah and an Inquisitor is one of the top/worst ones

[radiant lance]

I'd rather be an Inquisitor than a militarum foot soldier

Thankless and you're just another pawn eating bullshit

[storm jungle]

Spoilers

thats what being an Inquisitor also is

[queen laurel]

Yeah they are often forced to do one of the most morally sick things for the greater good of all as a regular basis for their work

[storm jungle]

I hope you like looking over your shoulder every day thinking one of your colleagues, retinue members, or a person you got no idea you wronged kills you one day.

and yeah thats how you eventually go nuts or become a radical

Being an Inquisitor looks good on paper until you actually start your "job"

[shadow plover]

or when your higherups just decide you know too much

[storm jungle]

^

People dont realise the Inquisition itself is also its biggest enemy

[radiant lance]

I just think there's some freedom from the shackles of the imperium's dogma. Like with the Cassia thing and not just executing a psyker ogryn because it's never happened before

"wait a minute. This could be useful"

[storm jungle]

Yeah and if it got out that the Inquisitor did that it wouldn't end well.

the "freedom" of an Inquisitor is more or less an illusion

its about as far as you can stretch it before a bigger fish ala another Inquisitor or an enemy you made puts you down a few notches

[radiant lance]

A couple of shackles free but bound to more I guess

[shadow plover]

that's fair

[storm jungle]

Pretty much.

[radiant lance]

I'd take a couple loosened

[dense salmon]

Rogue traders are some of the few people in the setting who can get away with almost anything

[storm jungle]

Yeah as long as your status is high.

your entire job is to basically be a privateer

commit warcrimes but don't be sus

[dense salmon]

Open heresy is obviously something they can't get away with

But dealing with xenos, recruiting mutants, etc is fine so long as they do it low-key or away from imperial space

[storm jungle]

Radicals know whats up

[radiant lance]

Just don't get caught

[dense salmon]

If I were an inquisitor I'd juice a psyker ogryn on combat stims and give him an iron halo because it would be fucking cool

And power armor

[queen laurel]

that is surprisingly still within inquisitor power i think

Because it still benefits the imperium

[dense salmon]

It's honestly a tame experiment

Comparitively

[queen laurel]

yeah

Incredibly tame to what a normal inquisitor would usually do

[dense salmon]

If I had the resources I'd soulbind a daemon to a psititan and let it loose on some backwater planet to see what would happen

In the name of research

[queen laurel]

Now you're speaking the inquisitor's research

[green loom]

It seems we got another one of those folks in Fan art

[radiant lance]

Imagine. You can do research as an Inquisitor to create actual proper Neko catgirls

[winged jacinth]

In actual lore the beastmen are still abhumans and not mutants, but it seems like they're heading for desanctioning

[warm notch]

I need my sanctioned catboys

This is an outrage

[winged jacinth]

I don't think we ever got a picture of felinids

[warm notch]

Don’t need to

[winged jacinth]

All we know is they have big claws and they taste the same as baseline humans

[warm notch]

The fandom provides

Also I’m literally a furry so

💀

[winged jacinth]

All im saying is we have no idea where on the scale they lie

Are they hrothgar from final fantasy? Or are they wolverine with cat ears?

They are called homo sapiens hirsutus which means they're almost certainly covered in fur at least mostly

[warm notch]

Oh god I need me bara cats let’s goooo

What kind of evolutionary changes forced humans to evolve into felinids anyway

[winged jacinth]

They have foot long claws and engage kroot in melee combat they're probably jacked

[winged jacinth]

We know nothing about their worlds unfortunately

They're from a planet with a person name

Carlos McConnell

[hallow basin]

someone tried to gene engineer cat girls, duh

[spring cairn]

they have to be more human than beast lest we forget, they're considered abhumans

not another species

[winged jacinth]

You can be pretty weird and still be an abhuman though

Pelagers live underwater

Troths...

I think troths are pushing what i believe the imperium would tolerate lol

[spring cairn]

troths are so obscure

we literally don't know what they look like

aslong as you can tell a human's there it's fine

[verbal path]

Beastmen are pretty bestial and still considered abhumans for now.

[spring cairn]

yeah i don't get why

they look like their own species

they belong in fantasy tbh

[verbal path]

Because looking human isn't the only qualifier.

[winged jacinth]

Imperial beastmen have been phased out more or less

[spring cairn]

they're remnant of the goofy era

[winged jacinth]

The most important criteria for abhumans is stability

[hallow basin]

some goofy is good

[spring cairn]

some yes, but please

[tulip brook]

it's a galaxy with most of it isn't even discovered. make a planet with catdogpighumans and integrate the setting and nobody will bat an eye.

[spring cairn]

it used to be overtuned

[tulip brook]

I don't think we'll see bl writers wasting time with most of the abhumans tho

[spring cairn]

most abhumans we never got official art of where one offs

[winged jacinth]

The difference is between existing and the imperium tolerating them, i do like chaos having beastmen

Most abhumans are from one book i think lol

[spring cairn]

chaos makes sense for beastmen

[winged jacinth]

Like all the same one

[spring cairn]

because what beside chaos could create such a thing out of a human

[storm jungle]

40k is literally fantasy in space

[spring cairn]

no i mean the other setting

[tulip brook]

a galaxy wide population, different planet conditions and about 40k years of evolution?

[spring cairn]

not the genre

[storm jungle]

[spring cairn]

i don't think you'll get a literal goat skull out of that

[winged jacinth]

Beastmen imperials are kinda weird because goat features are chaos-coded

[dusk patrol]

We also don’t need a 1:1 of every Fantasy faction to 40k

[winged jacinth]

From a design language standpoint

[verbal path]

What besides Chaos would make humans evolve into bigger humans in a high gravity planet

[dusk patrol]

Especially one which doesn’t matter as much as beastmen

[verbal path]

In defiance of all evolution.

[dusk patrol]

Let’s be real here

[spring cairn]

dumbasses with a pen

[winged jacinth]

The high gravity humans should be freaky quadruped dudes

[spring cairn]

they should literally be the squats

[winged jacinth]

But 40k is not a specEvo setting

[green loom]

I think Imperial Beastmen look cool

[winged jacinth]

Also 38 thousand years is not an evolutionary timescale anyway

[dusk patrol]

Some do

[storm jungle]

Gor Half-horn my beloved

[dusk patrol]

But they’re just not a focus

Which is fine

Lots of such things in 40k

[spring cairn]

can't tell me the ordo xenos would let those slide

[dusk patrol]

If we ever got Felinid focus I’m gonna Roblox’s myself with how cringe the fanbase will be about it

[verbal path]

They do because they do.

[dusk patrol]

There’s no “Ordo Xenos”

[green loom]

I say they do so

[spring cairn]

idk the name

[dusk patrol]

There’s thousands of inquisitors who don’t agreed most of the time

[spring cairn]

the ordo alien are bad

[winged jacinth]

Felinids should be regular humans with claws and huge amounts of body hair

[verbal path]

They already are with how the fandom focuses on it.

[dusk patrol]

And hundreds of subfactions

[spring cairn]

yes

[dusk patrol]

There’s hundreds of Inquisitors who would be chill with that dude being their bodyguard

[green loom]

Eisenhorn was Ordo Xenos and he barely dealt with aliens

[winged jacinth]

Make them look like barry gibbs

[dusk patrol]

There’s also just as many who would shoot him on sight

Although that’s just all Inquisitors

[tulip brook]

huh? it's one of the major orders. wtf

[dusk patrol]

He wouldn’t fall under the Ordo Xenos

[dusk patrol]

Read what I said

[green loom]

But not really centralized

[dusk patrol]

After

[green loom]

Yeah it's a thing but they're about as cohesive as the average darktide strike team

[dusk patrol]

The point is the “Ordo Xenos” never does anything, it’s not really one faction

[winged jacinth]

The inquisition outside ordo malleus is really loose

[spring cairn]

yes but i'm sure the majority will agree that this thing is yucky

[dusk patrol]

Different groups within it do things

[tulip brook]

can't even bother refuting lol

[dusk patrol]

Well that’s cause I’m right

The Inquisition isn’t a monolith

[green loom]

What's there to refute, it's more an ideology than an organization

Even then

[dusk patrol]

It has subfactions for its subfactions

We see this in every single Inquisiton book

[green loom]

Ordo Xenos inquisitors vary between literally sleeping with eldar and gutting something that an extra molecule

[verbal path]

Duh. They're imperial not one of these

[dusk patrol]

Some Inquisitors would kill the mutant on sight cause they hate him

[winged jacinth]

The most dangerous threat to a named inquisitor is another named inquisitor

[dusk patrol]

I’ll end you and it’ll look like an accident

[green loom]

Besides this is Hereticus territory anyway

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[tulip brook]

ok guys pack up inquisition doesn't exist. they have subfactions

[dusk patrol]

Not what I said but

[winged jacinth]

Beastmen would be Mutants not Xenos yes

[dusk patrol]

Whatever you need to be reductive about it to make yourself feel better

[winged jacinth]

If they weren't abhumans

[dusk patrol]

Reading comprehension is hard apparently.

[dusk patrol]

But yes

I assume that falls under Hereticus

[verbal path]

It's the struggle as a 40k fan 💀

[dusk patrol]

40k fans and reading the material instead of getting all their knowledge fourth hand from a Tiktoker

Natural enemies

[warm notch]

A mutant would be a person with polydactylism smh

[median marsh]

them and orange cats have to collective share a braincell

[winged jacinth]

I think mutants are mostly handled locally since they're not the kind of systemic threat posed by heretics or xenos

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

Generally Inquisition isn’t gonna get involved

Unless it’s chaos caused

Or linked

[warm notch]

You don’t understand the existential threat a person with an extra finger poses to the imperium

[winged jacinth]

Yes

[spring cairn]

destroy them all

one too many finger

[median marsh]

the only solution is to blow up the entire planet

[spring cairn]

maybe next he'll grow a gun and shoot me

[dusk patrol]

Extra fingers? Icky

[winged jacinth]

If someone has 8 fingers they're a heretic

[spring cairn]

the taint of chaos can indeed be subtle

[verbal path]

I have 10 fingers!

[dusk patrol]

Kill him!

[winged jacinth]

You're on thin ice

[dusk patrol]

[tulip brook]

yup, much better to getting the knowledge out of whatever the convenience you spew out. literally saying one of the major orders with its exclusive chamber militant and having a part in a lot of major conflicts "does not exist"

[green loom]

The

[verbal path]

💀

[dusk patrol]

Yeah like I said

Reading comprehension is hard

[tulip brook]

honestly with all these mental gymnastics to one up

[green loom]

Deathwatch operates mostly independantly in scattered Watch fortresses that run their own operations

[winged jacinth]

The ordo xenos exists but not in such a way it holds a cohesive position on any issue

[verbal path]

Man literally saw one line then their vision went red.

[dusk patrol]

^

If you actually read what was said

You’d probably understand the point

But like I said, 40k fans don’t like to read the material

[tulip brook]

what material are you talking about

are you the material

[arctic talon]

The core rule book

[winged jacinth]

Frankly the puritan ordo xenos inquisitors are always trying to kill the radical ones for hanging out with aliens too much

[green loom]

The Sisters are the Chambers Militant for the Hereticus, but they don't run around exclusively with inquisitors and operate mostly on their own
The Grey Knights are the Chambers Militant for the Malleus, but they don't run around exclusively with inquisitors and operate mostly on their own

[spring cairn]

based

[dusk patrol]

Idk, I’m convinced you’re a product of my schizophrenia at this point

[green loom]

Don't even need "Ordo xenos" there, it's just how they roll

[arctic talon]

Radical Ordo malleus using daemonhosts

[verbal path]

If the Ordo Xenos were all unified in their thinking, we wouldn't have all these different subfactions fighting against one another

[winged jacinth]

Ordo hereticus inquisitors are usually too busy summoning daemons to hang out with aliens

[verbal path]

Nor would Kryptman have been declared rogue.

[median marsh]

remember that one time ordo chronos erased itself from reality and then just reappeared

good times

[spring cairn]

yes because the sisters are the armed forces of the ecclesiarchy first and foremost

[arctic talon]

The deathwatch is also actively protecting kryptman at present lol

[dusk patrol]

So to be clear @tulip brook

This is where I elaborated on it.

The point is someone said “The Ordo Xenos would do this” and I said “There is no Ordo Xenos” in terms of, there’s no unified body. It’s individuals or subfactions who do things within, they often don’t agreed or even fight one another, same with the rest of the Inquistion.

Tl;dr, inquisition fragmented, subfactions, so no major Ordo is really doing anything, actors within it are

[spring cairn]

still think the vast majority would indeed do the this in question tho

[dusk patrol]

Maybe

[spring cairn]

likely

[dusk patrol]

Radicals can put up with a lot

[green loom]

Yeah but

They're Ordo Xenos

[dusk patrol]

Beastmen are sanctioned too

[green loom]

They don't deal with mutants

lol

[dusk patrol]

Yeah that too

[verbal path]

Another example of Inquisitorial unity

[green loom]

Like they can sure

But

It's not their problem

[spring cairn]

i was originally saying that idk how the fuck a beastmen can be considered abhuman

[verbal path]

Deciding whether or not they're abhumans anymore isn't even the Inquisiton's job.

[arctic talon]

They come from human gene stick

[tulip brook]

a major order having no aligning views at all and honestly it's not even a good point because if they don't agree on things the ordo "xenos may as well do this" too

[verbal path]

That's for the Adeptus Terra to decide.

[spring cairn]

makes no sense

[arctic talon]

They can have kids with each other

[spring cairn]

makes no sense

[arctic talon]

They’re a stable subspecies from human gene stock

[tulip brook]

trying to point out one aspect by going full dumb about it honestly

[green loom]

Well because "Major orders" aren't a thing, they're a vague catch all term for a massive group of idiots with conflicting views that deal with roughly the same thing

[arctic talon]

They can have kids with each other

Thus abhuman

[spring cairn]

they can suck on my nuts

[arctic talon]

If troths can be considered abhumans

Then beastmen can

[spring cairn]

troths deserve to be forgotten forever

[arctic talon]

Lol

[queen laurel]

Yeah an abhuman Is species that comes from human origins and reproduces like one

[green loom]

I've got some extra copium in the shed if you guys need some anyway

[arctic talon]

Nah

[green loom]

I stocked some up in case my PC properly died so I have extra

[verbal path]

But can they reproduce by budding

[spring cairn]

troth on their way to eat dirt

[verbal path]

Gimme a hit

[arctic talon]

https://blacklegionmarket.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2021/07/j5v0g1xfmc961-1.jpg

[spring cairn]

megachin

[arctic talon]

Imagine coming out of bio transference like that

[spring cairn]

unlucky

[arctic talon]

You think you’ll be free of your back pain

But no

[arctic talon]

Tbh he might like it lol

Necrons can change how they look

[spring cairn]

he probably uses his chin to rest his head when he's sitting at a table

[median marsh]

"give me the longest chin you have"

[arctic talon]

I think another cryptek has an even longer chin

[tulip brook]

rest of the guys go full pharaoh, one guy thinks "oh hunchback fits me more"

[arctic talon]

He’s got a unique style that can’t be beat

[verbal path]

He's got the gamer shrimp posture

[spare osprey]

I love necron’s crazy ass chins

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/desiler-giga-chad-gif-9574825124538696572

[queen laurel]

Yeah Crypteks for some reason love that Habsburg jaw

[spring cairn]

it's a status symbol

that's the lore reason

i made it up it's real now

[arctic talon]

Only crypteks have it though

[winged jacinth]

I like to think that the natural necrontyr diet was mostly eating nuts and shellfish without shucking them so they evolved huge jaw muscles

[spring cairn]

only crypteks fuck

[median marsh]

[powerful energy]

[spring cairn]

TK's would beat them in term of chin ngl

proving once again that they're the superior egyptian inspired faction

[tulip brook]

at least silent king isn't too strong in chin game

[arctic talon]

No mega chin

[winged jacinth]

Even a regular necron has a very powerful chin

These dudes were chomping on space walnuts in the shell

[median marsh]

Silent King knows he doesnt need 20 inch chin to have a look of superiority

[arctic talon]

They do the funny coffin pose

Do you think all Necrons do this

When teleporting

[median marsh]

family guy death pose miniature when GW

[arctic talon]

Or just those with brains

[dusk patrol]

Everyone else seemed to understand it fine without a step by step eli5

[dusk patrol]

That’s why the BA fought them

Protecting their copyright

[tulip brook]

bro just let go will you. you seem to have spare copium as you mentioned. you don't need to expose others to it

[green loom]

Huh

I said that not him

[median marsh]

what is happenin again

[dusk patrol]

Someone is mad that they had to read more than two comments and comprehend before going off on a tizzy

And are now claiming I was coping

Standard 40k fandom stuff

Anyways

[tulip brook]

dude, you were going full bs just to prove a point and then belittling the whole fandom

[dusk patrol]

Ok

[green loom]

I mean it's not bs, that's how the inquisition works

[dusk patrol]

Whatever helps you get there bud

[tulip brook]

you are soooo better than 40k fandom yup

[dusk patrol]

Yes

I am

[green loom]

Not a high bar

[dusk patrol]

[tulip brook]

maybe you don't belong here

[verbal path]

Salt and bad reading comprehension

[median marsh]

amazing

[queen laurel]

Welp that's another one to the pile

[median marsh]

thats usually contained in general

[verbal path]

Like daemons through the gellar field, some slip through every now and then.

[molten swan]

unless the gellar field fails, in which everyone will be having a very very very very very very very bad day, nothing gets through

warp travel is just spooky scary even with the field

[dusk patrol]

Been here longer than you bud

I don’t have to love the bad aspects of the community to be part of it

[tulip brook]

it's not relevant with that. reading comprehension?

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-creep-stare-gif-24699438

[dusk patrol]

Anyways

Check out this badass Deathwatch art

Since we were talking about them earlier

[verbal path]

Mmm terminator

[dusk patrol]

FFG rpg books my beloved

[storm jungle]

I extracted every piece of artwork from those books

[dusk patrol]

They don’t mission

[green loom]

They really don't mission

[storm jungle]

the DW ones has to have the most generic ass random marine artworks in existence

I legit went insane by the end

[verbal path]

Nerd!

[dusk patrol]

The DripCrimson Guard

[green loom]

🫵 bored

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

Got her ass

[storm jungle]

Lemme check how many I got

[dusk patrol]

There’s so much

[verbal path]

Dilara's dead. Let Chaos reign

[dusk patrol]

There’s soooo many supplements too

[verbal path]

[dusk patrol]

I think I have all the pdfs

[queen laurel]

Dilara, your warhammer 40k photo gallery has enough photos in it to rival Trazyn's museum

[median marsh]

Dilara was Trazyn all along

i knew it

[storm jungle]

110 in total

[queen laurel]

Yeah you're not doing your self favors with that one

[storm jungle]

as for my actual folder I got 37GB of images for every faction, 99% official art

[storm jungle]

Its correct.

I collect archaic shit like this from GW too.

[queen laurel]

But hey i can't judge because i have like 2251 ork images in pinterest

[rocky gale]

That's a pretty hench Dreadnought

[median marsh]

man thats cool

[storm jungle]

That's from 2003 but looks REALLY like the Primaris Dreadnaught

[queen laurel]

Why did the Dreadknight we got doesn't look as cool as this

Come on this thing looks awesome

[median marsh]

im slowly chipping away at my artblock, there is a chance ill try drawin warhammer stuff once more

[verbal path]

You'll get the baby carrier and like it

[green loom]

My pC works again so imma be drawing soonish

Have a word bearer comm to get started on

[queen laurel]

Shut it before I turn a Leman russ into a giant toaster

[dire apex]

Fr

Should look something like this

Not a baby carrier

[dusk patrol]

There’s a lot of nice kitbash alternative schemes I’ve seen

That’s one which is sick

This is another

Lots of good ideas people have had

[median marsh]

dreadknight design is instantly improved when you replace the baby strap with an enclosed chamber

[verbal path]

My favorite one

[verbal path]

Yes

[queen laurel]

Yeah the moment you get rid of the hanging limbs the design gets 1,000 times better

Fuckin voice typing

[verbal path]

So you're telling me we made a giant frame for our grey knights to fight greater daemons

[queen laurel]

And we expose their limbs

[dusk patrol]

I also love this contemptor Bjorn concept

[dire apex]

And then strapped them to the front like it’s a penitent engine

[median marsh]

"should we make sure the operator has more protection on top of their power armor?"
"Naaah lmao"

[verbal path]

We got the offense part down, it can smack a daemon

We just forgot to armor it because the things it'll fight can cleave a marine in half

No helmet

💀

[tulip brook]

maybe they think aegis armor is the best protection they can have, no need for extra weight

[arctic talon]

Tbh

[spring cairn]

oops took a lasgun shot to the head and died instantly

[dusk patrol]

Iirc it has some kinda psi shielding

[arctic talon]

More armor isn’t gona help against most daemons

[dusk patrol]

But it’s still dumb

[arctic talon]

I’d assume

[verbal path]

If that were the case they wouldn't have terminators

[arctic talon]

Like

A blood thirster is gona split you in two either way

Still a silly design

[verbal path]

Strap on some dreadnought level armor

You'll be fine

[queen laurel]

Yeah but man the power loader exposed arm look really doesn't

Work

[verbal path]

Get a 2+ 3++ or something I dunno

[queen laurel]

Like you may as well try to get all the protection you can

Then having some of your limbs exposed

Well all of it

[tulip brook]

I guess they thought petinent engine looked cool and decided to adapt to normal sororitas and gk

invictor suit isn't better but at least it looks less silly

[dusk patrol]

GW has some hits and some misses

It’s how it goes

Trying to make unique designs doesn’t always work out

[verbal path]

I dig it

[dusk patrol]

Ecstasy of Gold starts playing

[urban spire]

on the note from earlier: people who think inquisitor sounds like a cushy job are intentionally or unintentionally blind to the actual job

[dusk patrol]

In walks the gunslinger, with a big iron on his hip.

[verbal path]

I don't think anyone mentioned it being cushy earlier.

[dusk patrol]

In walks the outlaw, whose aim is about to slip.

[crisp heath]

Idk. Grendyl doesn't seem to be doing anything meanwhile her/his whole war band is fighting against God Emperors knows what all. Seems cushy enough

[dusk patrol]

That we see

We don’t tend to see lazy Inquisitors in 40k being real

They just don’t need to be doing the grunt work

[verbal path]

That's because it's above your paygrade

[dusk patrol]

To be clear too, we’re confined to a very very small part of the ship

We’re not privy to why this world even matters to Grendyl

Or like, what they look like

lol

[urban spire]

well, we are

[crisp heath]

Lol I was mostly being facetious and talking shit

[urban spire]

it's important to the war

[dusk patrol]

That’s the claim

[verbal path]

Atoma steel is very good for tanks

[dusk patrol]

But I wouldn’t say it’s all and it’s not explained fully

[urban spire]

yeah and if we apply occam's razor, it's the reason as well

[dusk patrol]

Plus it’s unlikely we’re gonna hold this planet as is

[crisp heath]

@dusk patrol idk, there's a mission that our characters legit talk about the tanks

The train one I think

[dusk patrol]

Yes our characters

The world isn’t unimportant to be clear

[tulip brook]

they are always dealing with stuff normal means can't handle. those guys would be dying from stress even if they survive all the doomsday stuff they are exposed to

[dusk patrol]

But our characters reasons for why Grendyl gives a shit are different from why Grendyl is focusing on this world

[crisp heath]

That's fair

[dusk patrol]

Or possibly are, my point being

We don’t know

[urban spire]

it's hadron who mentions it

[crisp heath]

I could understand that

[urban spire]

not our characters

[dusk patrol]

Hadron mentions why we need to take the refinery and secure it

[crisp heath]

I knew someone did

[dusk patrol]

Hadron also isn’t necessarily in the know

[verbal path]

Sometimes our characters mentions it

[crisp heath]

I'd say she's far more than we are

[dusk patrol]

Like I said, there’s reasons were given, obviously holding this world is important to some degree

But I imagine there’s more to it

[tulip brook]

but also she has no reason to talk about stuff he does when it doesn't involve us directly

[dusk patrol]

And what Hadron tells us isn’t necessarily all she knows either, we’re just told the basics of why a mission matters

[tulip brook]

so we really have no idea what he's doing

[dusk patrol]

Basically

[verbal path]

Anyway guys I'm gonna go use one of those stimms we stole from the carnival

Don't tell Rannick.

[crisp heath]

We don't know that Grendyl is a he btw lol

[dusk patrol]

I doubt an Inquisitor is doing all this just for the world. I imagine there’s something else at play

[crisp heath]

I really think it's a she

[dusk patrol]

True

But they call him he I believe

So for now I just call him that

Until we learn otherwise

But yeah

[verbal path]

Probably something to do with the plague. Research and shit.

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

Learning for future conflicts

Something that the one agent lady was doing

[verbal path]

Imagine the meltdown if Grendyl reveal was a woman

[tulip brook]

iirc all we know is steel is important

[dusk patrol]

That we’re not aware of yet

[winged jacinth]

I think rannick says he and if anyone knows he does, but i usually say they

[dusk patrol]

Atoma is definitely important

Don’t get me wrong

But I doubt it’s the primary reason Grendyl is here

[verbal path]

We already see them researching the plague stuff through the stimms we stole.

[dusk patrol]

It doesn’t seem like we’re actually gonna be able to hold the world

[verbal path]

They mention it sometimes during extraction

[verbal path]

Quitters talk. I'll hold the planet.

[dusk patrol]

lol

[verbal path]

💪

[crisp heath]

I think it has to do with the tanks and atomas strategic position. We know it's somewhere amidst all these circles. It's a good stronghold to hold the fringe and deploy into it, as the moebian had been doing. Losing it could potentially lose us an important staging area.

[dusk patrol]

Inquisitors work in mysterious ways and all that

[tulip brook]

here's the idea: make a platoon of rejects instead of sending 4 of them and let them conquer the planet 😤

[crisp heath]

Lol I think it'd be different. Some idiots would definitely throw a fit about it lol

[dusk patrol]

Partially I just prefer we never learn who they are

[dire apex]

Grendel is Saltzpyre 40k and I won’t hear otherwise

[dusk patrol]

But I wouldn’t care either way

I do like the idea of the Saltz VA playing him though

Maybe a little less flamboyant

[crisp heath]

I could see it

Idk. I kinda want more story and background and everything from darktide. Like, I want to know for certain where we are. I want to know who the inquisitor is. Who are the big bads? Why is Atoma important to either side? I want to know as much as I can lol

[green loom]

I mean we kinda know the latter two

[crisp heath]

Do we?

[green loom]

It's the sector capital/the major imperial stronghold

The Big Bads are the Dregs and Scabs that we know a decent bit about

Moreso the scabs

[crisp heath]

We know about Wolfer. Who's his boss? We know Nurgle, whose in between? Why do they want atoma?

[dusk patrol]

Seems like they’re working towards that

At a very brisk Fatshark pace

Expect more lore by 2025

[crisp heath]

Yep, and I can't wait lol

I hope it keeps being dope and doesn't fall flat

[dusk patrol]

Yup

Same

I’m curious if this stuff was Abnett original

I imagine he wrote a bit more than just the basic background of the world and regiment

[green loom]

He apparently wrote flavour text all the way back to the Heresy

[crisp heath]

Damn nice

[umbral nymph]

we can fairly assume some of it
Wolfer is just a Captain and assuming the whole of Mobian 6th defected, that would mean a lot of higher command structure defected as well. Just more wiggle room for more baddies for fatshark to add. Dan Abnett made a blogpost about the background of the Mobian 6th which fairly fleshes them out.
The inbetween can be assumed to be just a corrupt planetary governor wanting total control. Not new for the Emperium. Or again Fatshark (Dan Abnett) can bring this to a whole diffirent story.
Why they want Atoma, we can fairly assume its gonna ba a good staging ground for a armed resistance against the wider sector. It has a running manufactorum that produces good tanks and weapons, a fairly sizable population to turn (willingly or not) to chaos.

They're definetly gonna flesh out more story and lore in time.

[crisp heath]

Hell yeah. I didn't know they had fleshed out the 6th. But basically yeah, that's the type of stuff I'm looking for. That and whatever else man. Lol I'm one of those people that love to read every little nugget of lore in a game lol

[rocky gale]

Atoma was possibly either an act of convenience for the Moebian 6th or arranged by someone even higher up than them

[umbral nymph]

Hell yeah im with ya on that one brother

[green loom]

It's their home

[rocky gale]

Yes but they were recalled to Atoma to put down the Cult of the Admonition

[umbral nymph]

The whole Mobian regiment is mainly from Atoma. Its their job to defend it after all

[rocky gale]

That's when the 6th openly defected

[dusk patrol]

We have fought captains before though so it does seem Wolfer is a special Captain among captains

Not really clear yet obviously but it might be their high command didn’t fall they just killed them

[green loom]

He's probably top dawg among the lower COs

[rocky gale]

So either it was an incredible convenience that the force called to Atoma to put down the Nurgle Cult was also a Nurgle Cult or someone higher up knew and organised it

[dusk patrol]

I imagine a fair amount didn’t get corrupted but got killed

[green loom]

We know they organized

[verbal path]

Don't forget not all Moebians went rogue

[dusk patrol]

Yeah they planned this

[umbral nymph]

Also a possibility but its up in the air right now which I like they can bring the story on so many possible branches

[dusk patrol]

Not all but the entire 6th did

Who were the elite

Or as far as we know they all did

[crisp heath]

Pretty sure most of the high ups on atoma evacuated before war broke out

[dusk patrol]

There’s Moebian guard we fight with but those aren’t the same caliber as the 6th

[crisp heath]

I don't think they specifically were who recalled the 6th

[umbral nymph]

also a good plot point which isnt really fleshed out yet. Where are the loyalist Mobians, we can assume theyre also defending the rest of the planet (maybe the sister hive city the rejects keep talking about, possible major expansion eh?) while the inquisition focuses on Tertium because its the most vital target.

[crisp heath]

Literally with us at the beginning of every mission

They're the guards at the beginning behind the gates

[verbal path]

The lads in the trailer that got wiped out were some of the more "elite" loyalist

[umbral nymph]

The guardsmen we see at missions are most likely PDF forces (white stripes on their shoulderpads)

[crisp heath]

Thought they were moebians out in the field

[umbral nymph]

The original BOIS are def loyalist Mobians

[verbal path]

They are

[umbral nymph]

Yes but technically not part of the Mobian Guard regiment

[verbal path]

They're moebian 21st

[umbral nymph]

Yep looking at them again they do have 21st Markings

[verbal path]

Well, were in their case

[crisp heath]

So they're the Moebian 21st, or they're not moebian...

[verbal path]

We get their cosmetics with the PC vanguard set

[dusk patrol]

They’re Moebian guard and pdf

It’s mentioned

[crisp heath]

I'm being told two different things

[dusk patrol]

The 6th were just better

They were the cream of the crop elite

Plus now they got chaos juice

[verbal path]

The guys in the trailer are 21st. The guys who stand around are presumably PDF troopers

[umbral nymph]

Guard regiments and PDF forces are two diffirent military units

[verbal path]

Because veterans shit talk them a bunch

[umbral nymph]

^

[crisp heath]

Thank you, I was hella confused