#40k-lore-chat

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arctic talon
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its a subjective thing at the end of the day

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there's some old models I really like the look of

verbal path
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Mhm

arctic talon
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old Druhkari archon is really good imo

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verbal path
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Man I like the modern Eldar minis though

molten swan
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Second is gold sixth is like bronze or yellowish brown idk

verbal path
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💀

arctic talon
storm jungle
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I'm 30

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can confirm

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💀

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Everytime Steel posts the Spiders i die more

verbal path
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They still hold up pretty well for their age

storm jungle
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i think THE best eldar minis that hold up are the vehicles

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because they are big/general in detail so less stuff to look shitty as time goes by

arctic talon
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same with this weirdboy lol

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He's old

verbal path
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Avatar aged like milk and I'm glad his new model is a beast.

arctic talon
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they look like modern sculpts

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but their moulds are getting worn down

storm jungle
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Yeah like i said its easier when you arent modelling people

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AUGHH-

verbal path
shadow plover
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also back then the sculpts weren't digitally made

verbal path
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Be careful who you bully in highschool

arctic talon
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hand sculpted

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god

verbal path
arctic talon
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also I always find it funny

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that the first primaris mini jes goodwin ever designed

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was the Bladeguard

shadow plover
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wasn't the repulsor by him as well or do these precede that as well

verbal path
arctic talon
verbal path
arctic talon
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bladeguard was the core like

dense salmon
arctic talon
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"what does a primaris look like when they've survived for a long time"

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"what would a veteran look like"

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and then they stripped it all back to make the "line" primaris

shadow plover
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yeah and bladeguard fucks

arctic talon
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tbh if they included bladeguard in wave 1

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there would have been a whole lot less bitching about primaris not being grimdark enough

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also the unused even thicker primaris armor that isn't gravis is really funny

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we'll see it someday I bet

storm jungle
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yeah Jes Goodwin designs ALWAYS tend to be re-used for future content

shadow plover
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absolutely but wild how people somehow expected intercessors be the be all end all for them

storm jungle
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they are kinda weird is the thing

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like

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the entire point of Tactical Marines was that

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you know

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they were Tactical?

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now its literally Primaris Aspect Warriors

arctic talon
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💀

storm jungle
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"All must use ONE weapon type"

shadow plover
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but these are too tactical!!!!

arctic talon
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god

storm jungle
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ARGHHHHH

arctic talon
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I don't like Primaris aspect warriors

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its

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not great

storm jungle
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the fact

arctic talon
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it isn't even like that in lore

storm jungle
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that its acknowledged in novels

arctic talon
storm jungle
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and that its a known weakness of primaris

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is so fucking funny

arctic talon
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lol

storm jungle
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SIR

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SIR

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I DONT KNOW HOW TO USE AN RPG

arctic talon
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The fact that primaris are also deploying in mixed squads now

storm jungle
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I ONLY KNOW HEAVY WEAPONS

arctic talon
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instead of like

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just being a fucking squad of boys with bolters only

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like there's like 2 intercessors, a hellblaster and like an infernius marine or some shit

verbal path
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💀

arctic talon
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lol

storm jungle
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AAA-

arctic talon
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Primaris are armed like Horus Heresy Legionaries

verbal path
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Centurions are used by either assault or devastator marines because "they're the good ones at melee / heavy weapons"

arctic talon
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also ngl does not help one of the first primaris released was Egg boy

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shadow plover
arctic talon
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there's no shown concept art of it to date

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this was like 2 years ago as well

verbal path
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Forgetting that tactical marines are tactical because they already served as devasators and assaults

shadow plover
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ah pretty sure I watched that

nocturne crest
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I've got to be honest, but I think the lore about the Baneblade being a light scout tank makes sense when you consider the two types of being stealthy.

storm jungle
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Thats not lore though

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thats jut a fan thing

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The baneblade was never a scout tank

nocturne crest
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Oh.

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Huh. TIL.

storm jungle
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Yeah KEKW_ogryn

nocturne crest
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So where did it come from then?

storm jungle
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From unofficial 40k forms

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Then memes

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Then people coming into 40k reading them

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Then it spreads from there.

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Thats usually how lore misinformation in 40k operates

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The baneblade has also always been considered a super-heavy tank ever since its introduction AGES ago.

arctic talon
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there's a mech thats a "scout" thats armed to the teeth

nocturne crest
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Ah

outer wave
arctic talon
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I'm not that familiar

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yeah its that

outer wave
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Steiner Scouting team™️

crisp heath
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Are imperial knights there own sorta thing or are they a part of the guards/astartes arsenal?

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And do the custodes have any?

outer wave
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Imp Knights are mostly their own thing

crisp heath
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Cool

outer wave
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I think they sometimes come along with the guard and marines to help out but they're definitely their own faction doing their own knightly things

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I know relatively little of their fluff tbh sorry

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I dont think the Cusodes, or any space marine faction or sub faction really, has their own knights

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Likely because the walkers belong to their respective houses

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I think the only exception is the Ad Mech since they likely do maintainence on their walkers and therefore know much more on how to make their own if need be

arctic talon
outer wave
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I thought it was more the opposite due to the significance those walkers had on Medieval Worlds?

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Or at least Id have thought so

arctic talon
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But generally they’re feudal esque

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Some knight houses are quite advanced like House Raven

outer wave
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Ahhhh

arctic talon
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Now granted their whole homeworld + like a good chunk of their knights got stolen by belakor

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But you know the little things

nocturne crest
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Do Knightworlds have their own PDF or is it just their knights?

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Their knights defending the world from uprisings or inital invasion?

soft forge
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When does abhuman become mutant?

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Because some faction in the inquisition says thats ugly and it needs to go?

wet sandal
soft forge
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That's what I thought

rigid dune
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Would a needler weapon be a possibility as a new weapon or are those types of weapons to high up on the power scale for the rejects to use?

winged jacinth
storm jungle
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they just need to get GW approval

winged jacinth
storm jungle
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Needlers are not really rare

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they can be found in abundance in most places

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its down to what kind of needler weapon you want that it depends

winged jacinth
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I mostly know them as assasinorium weapons

storm jungle
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Yeah nah needlers have been around since Rogue Trader

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its just you know

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not really a good weapon of choice for most people

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especially since the moment you got an armored target you are kinda fucked

winged jacinth
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Dont eversors have a silly one that fires a bolt and then a needle?

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Why not just 2 bolts lol

storm jungle
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yeah they got like a tri-combo one

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its dumb af but you know how it is lol

storm jungle
rigid dune
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I am just reading on the wiki page and to my understanding it was a armor piercing laser bolt it fired. So I was thinking like a lasgun, but instead of a beam it would be a bolt

storm jungle
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Again depends on the needler, theres lots of types

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most just fired high-powered needles

nocturne crest
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I see. I have heard that there is a civilian version of a Knight, but it carries no weapons.

winged jacinth
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That doesn't sound familiar to me

storm jungle
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Yeah theres no knight like that

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i think you are confusing it with its origin

arctic talon
storm jungle
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where knights were made to fight megafauna

arctic talon
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Which is

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From the forgeworld sculptors watching alien

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This isn’t a joke btw

winged jacinth
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We don't really know that much about civilian stuff in 40k but knights are typically fancy relics

arctic talon
rigid dune
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Imagine a map where we would be running around inside a god enginepogryn

winged jacinth
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Sentinels are so sick, you know some designer just went "i want an at-st"

nocturne crest
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I'm sure I saw it on the Lexicon. They're basically something like knights, but they are not armed and they use tools to herd animals.

arctic talon
nocturne crest
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Found it.

winged jacinth
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Oh there's a mention of "drovers" yeah

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Its from one white dwarf in the 90s though

arctic talon
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Sounds like what nobles use lol

winged jacinth
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I doubt they're canon anymore they don't really fit the modern tech lore

nocturne crest
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I just realised, you got a Ringo Starr painting

winged jacinth
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Yeah its "Yer Baby"

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Lol

nocturne crest
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Oh yeah

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Yeah, Drovers don't exist anymore. It's been 33 years.

winged jacinth
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If they did they probably all got converted to proper knights during the great crusade and heresy

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The stc lore is so dumb lol

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"We sent multiple of these machines to countless worlds and the very few that survived all only make one thing now somehow"

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Maybe the storage is really fragile and only the cache survives

nocturne crest
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Be funny if there was a melee only Knight model, but it was only tools like pitchforks, shovels or a pickaxe.

plush mason
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so i have noticed that warp storms almost always end up unleashing all manner of horrors

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and yet everytime they break the imperium rushes in lol

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arctic talon
plush mason
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yeah but

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holy fuck they almost always home to most hellish shit in the galaxy

dusk patrol
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Yeah warp rifts tend to not produce the nicest stuff

rigid dune
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What are rogue traders? I dont fully understand that when I read about it. Are they like smuglers? explorers? pirates?

crisp heath
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They're kind of like privateers

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The emperor gave their ancestors the right to do whatever they want as long as they're technically outside of Imperial territory so they operate on the fringes of colonized space, exploring and gathering resources

rigid dune
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So are they loyal to the emperor?

crisp heath
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I mean they can turn traitor but if they do the inquisition will inquisit them

celest dome
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@storm jungle Do you know what book has the Ogryn with a Plasma cannon ?

rigid dune
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And what purpose do they serve? Locating old artifacts?

celest dome
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Trading between planets

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individuals who serve as a combination freelance explorer, conquistador and interstellar merchant for the Imperium of Man.

rigid dune
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Ohh, so they are space fedex that operates outside of imperial space?

tulip brook
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they are free to do whatever. Smuggle, exploit a new planet for resources, invade a planet for imperium, hush hush deals with xenos...

plush mason
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basically they are nobles with a letter of marquee that lets them do whatever they want outside of imperial space

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the oldest and most powerful rogue trader clans have said letter written by the emperor himself so their power and influence is hard to understate

tulip brook
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super powerful and million lightyears away from terra

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they aren't exactly top of the food chain nobles

plush mason
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true

tulip brook
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they are the only group with a chance in social mobility in the setting. starting up as an ambitious noble they may end up having a trade empire... or die miserably in god knows where

plush mason
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yeah

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and ofc the imperium still issues new writs from time to time

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said writs arent as unlimited as the ones penned by the emperor himself and the clans founded by their holders dont have the same level of power or influence

plush mason
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so do the remeberncers still exist in 40k?

storm jungle
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They are all wiped out

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Roboute upon his return though has revived a similiar department on Terra who's job is to document history

celest dome
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Didn't some become part of another order ?

plush mason
rose thorn
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Spears of the Emperor is unironicaly one of the best 40k books ever

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I am fucking shocked how amazing it is

crisp heath
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Hell yeah!!!

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||did you find out Kartash's deal yet?||

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I'm amazed almost no one talks about it too because it moves a well-known plot forward, like it feels like it'd be at least mentioned more

plush mason
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so with all the horrors under Mars, how is it all contained? or is it just a matter of time before the red planet blows open and all hell breaks loose

tulip brook
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just like how the ones below imperial palace is contained. in the grimderp of the far future, nowhere is safe.

plush mason
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lol

dusk patrol
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They were mostly in some very dangerous areas and very few survived that

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Most went on to do other things or died during the heresy

plush mason
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ah

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yeah it makes sense the rememberncers would become the inquisition

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few others would have had the experience they had

rose thorn
crisp heath
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Yeeeeeaaaaaa

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||she threw a frickin assassin into the frickin warp||

rose thorn
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hhehehehh yeah

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I was really confused about ||the blade, until she slowly revealed more details then it clicked||

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||also the nids being revealed on this half of the galaxy is cool||

crisp heath
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||I knew it was a phase blade immediately but I never made the Callidus connection until the assassination||

rose thorn
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||tbh I thought it was the river tooth sword lol||

plush mason
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wtf. there was a war with a "false Primarch"?

green loom
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Ye

crisp heath
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The only real interesting thing we know about it is that Carcharodons and Charnel Guard fought together during it

plush mason
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yeah

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the high lords where not willing to risk even a single member of the 11 traitor chapters escaping

crisp heath
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So how does one go about killing a daemon primarch? Like angron can die but he will just return is there any canon way to make sure they stay down besides killing the god?

green loom
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No

crisp heath
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Well that sucks

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Guilliman could do it with Big E's sword

shadow plover
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yeah it is doable in very few ways

crisp heath
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Godblight even acknowledges the sword can kill Mortarion, Guilliman just got stomped during their fight

queen laurel
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the energy required to kill a daemon is a lot so imagine that with a daemon primarch that's favored by a literal god

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But yes one of the few confirmed ways to kill one is the sword of the emperor himself

shadow plover
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yeah no character beyond the emperor has done it/could do it

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if you count deleting Horus as something similar

plush mason
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the claim that chaos can grant you immortality is not a lie. its just near impossible for most of the mortal followers to claim said prize

queen laurel
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True death is already quite a feat itself

tulip brook
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a slim chance in immortality vs eternal damnation

plush mason
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the 2 are often the same thing in 40k

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yeah becoming a daemon prince is a big win but it comes with a lot of hooks as the dark gods' blessings are often full of

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but by definition they are all immortal because they can never stay dead

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when "killed" they will just be reborn back in the warp

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same with the perpetuals

tulip brook
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difference is they lose a big portion of their original being, their free will and they only exist as long as their patron god is powerful enough.

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their time in material realm comes with a lot of limitations too

plush mason
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ofc

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as i said

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lot of hooks

dire apex
celest dome
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Can't DP suffer the same "True Death" as Daemon can ?

dire apex
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But you would need like every grey knight

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For a primarch

plush mason
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i mean

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it does require some insane acts of cruelty and sadism to even have a hope of being noticed

tulip brook
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this is like saying; being a zombie is cool because they get to live forever until they get their brain blown off

plush mason
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see but the zombie doesnt get their own world and a daemon army to command

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like with a lot of chaos' promises its a raw deal when you think about it

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but honestly that doesnt change the fact that you will become immortal

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it just comes with a lot of downsides attached

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you are still an immortal daemon with power well beyond most mortals

celest dome
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Becoming a DP is more like becoming a Liche than a Zombie

plush mason
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^

tulip brook
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eh, there's a reason the term "undead" exists besides immortal

plush mason
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the undead tend to stay dead when killed a second time

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anything that can never stay dead is immortal just by definition

tulip brook
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not only there are ways to make these guys stay dead, their god can unmake them any time too

plush mason
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ofc

tulip brook
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they lose their self way before ascension, that's mostly demon there

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that's not a deal. it's a direct scam

plush mason
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eh its still better than what is on offer in most of 40k

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what would you rather do. be some no name menial slave of some sadistic imperial noble or rule a world full of daemons that you can boss around just like aforementioned noble?

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chaos only draws in so many became the imperium already has them living in hell

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so why not try and be one of the shotcallers?

tulip brook
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speaking of toxic work environment... yeah I'd rather have my boss an imperial noble than a chaos god

molten swan
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Lol fr

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Chaos gods gonna get bored and eat you

plush mason
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so can the noble lol

molten swan
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Not really

plush mason
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yeah really

molten swan
plush mason
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like sure its outlawed but the nobles tend to be above the law

molten swan
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I get it, you don’t like the imperium

plush mason
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i like them

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because they are such shit

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which is the whole point of 40k

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it is everything every sane human should never ever want

tulip brook
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even then we shouldn't be comparing pretty evil vs prime evil

plush mason
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both are insanely evil

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the 2 most evil in the setting as GW as said

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ofc in 40k every faction is evil

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there is no good guy

molten swan
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What of the citizens that want to toil away for the imperium and see it succeed. All of the citizens aren’t just waiting for 1 drop of a hat to turn to chaos, a lot of them want to serve the Emperor

plush mason
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ofc

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which makes the evil of the imperium all the more tragic

molten swan
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Even if they serve in the manufactorum, their jobs are infact very important

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And they know that

plush mason
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so important that they are expected to work themselves to death as they can be replaced by one of the millions in line behind them

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they are all chattle and fodder

molten swan
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They don’t need to, they can stop and die to tyranids orks or chaos

plush mason
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important yes. but utterly expendable

molten swan
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It’s their choice

forest orbit
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they dont have a choice

plush mason
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^

molten swan
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Survival or the human race comes at the behest of the Emperor, you can’t do it alone

forest orbit
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Id rather do it in a normal society

plush mason
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same

forest orbit
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not one where im a literal slave

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lol

plush mason
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and honestly

forest orbit
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you cant ever justify the way the Imperium functions

plush mason
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humanity died long ago

forest orbit
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also yeah

molten swan
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Lol

forest orbit
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humanity in 40k is better off extinct lol

plush mason
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yeah

molten swan
tulip brook
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but their duty still ends in death. same can't be said for chaos

forest orbit
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I mean

molten swan
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Go be a slave to chaos then

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Don’t let the door hit ya

forest orbit
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Ill pass that too thanks

plush mason
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yeah

forest orbit
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I love this thing of "you got to pick a side"

plush mason
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^

forest orbit
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how about i say both of them are shit

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lol

molten swan
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You won’t survive alone

forest orbit
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I mean yeah? So?

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do you want to say this to a slave IRL

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lmao

plush mason
forest orbit
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^

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Its better to die standing than live on your knees as an obedient imperial slave, and I say this as the Imperium fan KEKW_ogryn

molten swan
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They aren’t slaves, slaves have it much worse, the imperium still allows some freedoms for its citizens when they aren’t toiling, slaves don’t get any

forest orbit
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They are literally slaves

molten swan
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Slaves are property, not even humans anymore

forest orbit
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you do realise that most common workers in the imperium are property right

plush mason
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you will die and most likely you will die screaming and all you will get is an unmarked grave if you are lucky

forest orbit
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^

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Your lives dont matter

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you just work until you drop dead

molten swan
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They do matter, to the imperium

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Without its workers it would fail

forest orbit
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no shit KEKW_ogryn

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doesnt make it any better

tulip brook
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it's failing with its workers too

forest orbit
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^

plush mason
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it has quadrillions of replacements

green loom
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Hamwarmer!

molten swan
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There’s trillions of worlds, humanity has the numbers, look at the imperial guard lol

plush mason
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next to no one in the imperium is irreplaceable

forest orbit
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to quote Hadron:

"Labour is the cheapest of fuels. The replacements will be found and perish in turn."

plush mason
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^

forest orbit
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"oh theres more humans, lets just keep using em to grease the gears"

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molten swan
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Yeah?? Rather then yknow, dying???

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I’d rather survive

forest orbit
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...

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THEY ALREADY DIE

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LMAO

molten swan
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Guess you can give up if you want

forest orbit
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Yeah im not gonna fight for fascists

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sorry lol

plush mason
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idk whats going on anymore

molten swan
forest orbit
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same

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my guy is huffing mad copium

plush mason
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is this trolling?

forest orbit
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Idk at this point

storm jungle
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Another one huh

normal light
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I am trying to actively understand it

normal light
green loom
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Personally I think we should model the modern world after the Imperium

tulip brook
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well, that's my preference, stories of ig and factorum workers whatnot are way more interesting than abstract power struggles of daemon princes and chaos gods

green loom
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So we can be just as based and not woke

forest orbit
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Lmao Ed pls

forest orbit
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you know, its for the greater good

plush mason
forest orbit
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🙏

storm jungle
normal light
forest orbit
plush mason
normal light
green loom
plush mason
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im not gona say that being a daemon prince doesnt make you immortal though

forest orbit
green loom
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Who's the other?

forest orbit
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who gives a shit about human lives right

plush mason
molten swan
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No, human lives still matter, but they are sacrificed for the good of humanity, the human form is literally the most sacred thing in the imperium, in a perfect world they wouldn’t need to die in the manufactorum

green loom
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Humanity matters

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Human lives do not

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Human lives are cheaper than dirt and spent accordingly

storm jungle
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do I like, have to get GW's statement on the matter again

plush mason
green loom
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Yeah kek

storm jungle
green loom
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Like who's the guy sending 500000 conscripted guardsman to their deaths in this battle?

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It's not some glorious hero

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It's Lord Numkid the Saggy trying to get a win in his political career

storm jungle
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"its not an aspirational state"

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"those who are slaves to its systems"

green loom
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You strive and take pride in your work in a factorum
But who do you work for

forest orbit
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thank you lmao

plush mason
green loom
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You don't work for Michael Jackson, you work for a bloated carcass of a man older than the last 50 generations of your family, and he sells off what you make on the black market to local gangs that keep you in line

storm jungle
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^

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Basically,

It's easy to say you'd die for the Imperium.

Now try spending a single week in it and see how "great" it is to fight for what you refer as "humanity."

forest orbit
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Pretty much this

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you will die choking on factory fumes or in a ditch

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I find the Imperium awesome sure but im not demented enough to say id lie my life down for it

dusk patrol
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I would simply be born super rich and live on a pleasure barge and bang hotties for 300 years until the juv treatments stop working and I die.

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Easy clap

forest orbit
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Hmmmmmmmm

green loom
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Jimmy from the Starch factory doesn't know about chaos, of humanity's great history or the marines
He's working 20 hour shifts on holidays
Trying to duck the eye of persecution so his family isn't wiped off the planet

forest orbit
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yep lol

plush mason
#

i read somewhere that a lot of manufactorums dont have safety rails because they where not in the original design and any menial that falls to their death has become part of the mechine spirit lol. so work place safety is a literal sin in the imperium

forest orbit
#

Thats correct lol

green loom
#

Like I say all this

#

But say you're a noble right

#

You're rich, probably
But now you've got other nobles to deal with

plush mason
#

yup

green loom
#

You say the wrong thing someone's going to assassinate you within the day

#

You take a wrong turn and your head gets chopped off

plush mason
#

the nobles have the same kinda power struggles the daemon princes do

#

and honestly on a wider and more complex scale

plush mason
#

so. arent frigates kinda small ships in the imperium?

green loom
#

Ye kinda

#

Though that's relative to like

#

Battleships

plush mason
#

so like. is it normal for a rogue trader house to have a frigate as it's flagship?

green loom
#

Ye

warm notch
#

No wait Imperium OSHA is prolly an empty department

green loom
#

Imperium OSHA would kill you for following OSHA Guidelines

plush mason
#

or both

storm jungle
warm notch
plush mason
#

its judge dreed with a robodog

#

the arbites are just the FBI/FDA/ATF/CIA all in one

warm notch
#

The machine spirit is pleased

plush mason
warm notch
tulip brook
storm jungle
#

the screams of death are the best part Trollface

plush mason
#

yeah my dad was a state electrician

#

he could tell you horror stories about those powerlines and what happens if you dont take the necessary precautions

plush mason
green loom
#

They're perfect for what Rogue Traders do

plush mason
#

true

#

big enough to handle most things yet small enough to dock at any port

winged jacinth
#

They're the smallest ships of the line but they're still ships of the line

plush mason
#

yeah in BGFA they are not ships of the line but escort craft

winged jacinth
#

Also i think someone made destroyers smaller than frigates in 40k lol

plush mason
#

they are afaik

#

likely because of all the age of exploration stuff in the imperial navy

#

you know the time when frigates where one of the larget class of war-ship

arctic talon
#

SMH

soft thunder
plush mason
#

yes

#

thats exactly how they work

dense salmon
#

They're tax collectors, law enforcement, de facto defense force if needed

#

So like the Swiss guard of the Vatican combined with the secret service/irs

#

They do a little bit of everything

plush mason
#

their main task is to enforce imperial law and compliance tho

#

so the enforces and local courts handle all the local laws and what not

dense salmon
#

Yeah the local governments usually handle their own legislation

#

The arbites pursue really big crime

#

Like a corrupt governor

dusk patrol
#

^

#

They don’t do small scale stuff

#

They’re the space FBI kinda

plush mason
#

ye

#

they also take over the local PDF and enforces during times of invasion

#

they are expected to marshal them. and ether fight off the invasion or call on the wider imperium and then hold out till help arrives

storm jungle
#

Yeah Arbites usually only interfere when there's something interfering with the planetary tithe or so.

The newest Kill-Team codex also says that they will sometimes let entire planetary civil wars/coups happen that aim to remove planetary rulers if they deem that it will actually help the planet

plush mason
#

based

storm jungle
#

Literally just

"ARBITERS, HELP ME THEY ARE GONNA KILL ME"

plush mason
#

what chads

dense salmon
#

But corruption is in the eye of the beholder

#

Arbites main job is tax collection

plush mason
#

ofc

dense salmon
#

So long as a planet pays its tithes

#

And there is no obvious heresy afoot

#

They don't really care

storm jungle
#

Yeah that's what i was saying.

#

They only intefere when they deem so.

dense salmon
#

Yeah

storm jungle
#

Which again is dumb, but thats the point lol

plush mason
#

"enforce imperial compliance" is just a fancy way to say "make sure they pay-up"

dense salmon
#

Sorry I'm at work

#

So im only skimming stuff in between

storm jungle
#

their entire parody is of police brutality and useless law enforcement

#

which, you know

#

hasn't changed since the 90's

plush mason
#

which makes them looking like judge dredd all the more fitting as afaik 3000ad was the exact same way lol

storm jungle
#

Lmao yeah

#

its the same as how most people say Dredd is a badass but then forget hes also a fascist dipshit

#

he is entertaining to watch though

plush mason
storm jungle
dense salmon
#

As dystopian and brutalist the law is

snow fern
#

How did miserable supercity become such a common dystopia trope?

desert dust
dense salmon
#

Have you ever been to LA

plush mason
#

man, between 40k, 3000ad and V for vendetta. the British must have really hated their government

dense salmon
#

Margaret thatcher

brisk vine
#

Slight sarcasm

snow fern
brisk vine
#

But yeah

snow fern
#

Something like every 7 days an independence day from the british happens

dense salmon
# brisk vine

One thing I will say about the message of v for vendetta is its also a commentary about how weak dysfunctional governments lead to worse ones

#

The British government was unable to deal with the fallout of war and so whoever had the guns and the manpower took over and had their way

plush mason
#

yeah it was very much the most up-front of the lot

#

literally ends with V blowing up parliament

celest dome
brisk vine
#

Gunpowder plot go brrrrr

plush mason
#

ye

brisk vine
#

To be fair to the British parliament

#

It did give us banger jokes like Thomas Massey-Massey making a motion to rename Christmas Christtide

#

And subsequently being harangued by calls to change his name to Thomtide Tidey-Tidey

plush mason
#

Christtide?

snow fern
#

Boaty McBoatface

plush mason
#

tho how long it takes for that meme to come true remains to be seen given the state of the Tory party

snow fern
#

Christtide, the new game where you must defend your front door from hordes of figgy pudding enthusiasts

plush mason
#

lol

dense salmon
#

Trying to ignore the salvation army outside of supermarkets is the real christtide

snow fern
#

Killing floor 2’s got those christmas maps so close enough

arctic talon
plush mason
#

yes

arctic talon
#

Does the American class get a gun

snow fern
#

The new class snowball thrower is a real staple of the genre

dense salmon
#

Judge dredd deserves a new game

#

Like that robocop game

#

Seeing new tankgirl shit would be cool too on the topic of 90s dystopia punk comics

snow fern
#

Maybe we’ll get one, the people who did the robocop game also did that neat little terminator game a while back

dusk patrol
#

Yeah

#

Here’s hoping

dense salmon
snow fern
#

An arbites game just as ridiculous as the old Dredd game where you can just throw random people into forced servitasation for the smallest of perceived infractions

dense salmon
#

They should give the team that did necromunda a do-over with an arbites game tbh

#

They are the people who did eye: divine cybermancy

#

So they're capable of making good stuff

snow fern
#

Eye is a trip

celest dome
#

(I do want a Space Hulk 2 though)

dense salmon
#

Space hulk needed more time in the oven

#

Same with necromunda

#

Hell, if darktide came out at the initial planned release date we'd be talking about what could have been with it too

#

The craziest part about divine cybermancy is it's basically just a homebrew cyberpunk campaign they turned into an FPSRPG

vale fjord
#

so whats up with pyskers having wierd ahh collars

celest dome
#

Bomb Collar, Psychic augments (Psychic cowls)

vale fjord
#

BOMB?

dense salmon
#

Typically dampens their powers

snow fern
vale fjord
#

so

dense salmon
#

A psyker is extremely liable of blowing themselves up with their abilities

#

The collars and headgear either focus that power or dampen it so they don't kill themselves

#

Unlike eldar, humans did not evolve to withstand their own psychic potential on a biological level

celest dome
dense salmon
#

Bomb collar is also an explanation sometimes

vale fjord
#

so its to prevent suicide bombing from using too much warp magic

dense salmon
#

And sometimes it's a bomb collar

celest dome
#

It prevent possession and other Peril of the Warp

snow fern
#

Psykers are becoming increasingly common, even ogryns are developing psychic powers. All this is a problem considering humans aren’t good at dealing with the warp

dense salmon
#

There's a rule in tabletop called "its for your own good" that lets comissars execute psykers

vale fjord
#

im guessing the bomb collar is to prevent a psyker doing a funny daemonic warp summoning

celest dome
dense salmon
vale fjord
#

man

#

pyskers really are screwed over

dense salmon
#

Sometimes they're like vents too

snow fern
dense salmon
#

Like, excess psychic power is dispensed through the collar and circuits

#

So that the psyker doesn't cook themselves

vale fjord
#

hated by humanity AND cant control their own pyschic powers to the point they EXPLODE

snow fern
#

Or worse

vale fjord
#

this is truly a warhammer 40k moment

dense salmon
#

Some psykers have a good handle on things

#

The lower ranking pyskers often end up being inquisitors

#

They're in a goldilocks level of psychic ability

vale fjord
snow fern
#

Psykers can potentially hold notable positions of authority, either in the astra militarum as primaris psykers (no relation to space marines) or in the inquisition

vale fjord
#

really high above in rank

dense salmon
#

They're a branch of the imperium with a lot of authority over other branches

#

The level of authority depends on the inquisitor

#

Some inquisitors can swing their weight around, others can't

snow fern
#

Not sure if there are psykers in the adeptus arbites, maybe though, seems like a telepath or diviner would be useful there.

dense salmon
#

There's a good deal of psykers who probably don't realize they are special

celest dome
dense salmon
snow fern
#

Well I knew about enforcers if only cause our lovely Darktide Savant was an enforcer, just was curious if they can go even higher up the ladder

vale fjord
#

speaking of all these psyker stuff, do the krieg somehow have pyskers in their regime?

#

regiment or whatber the fancy word

dense salmon
#

Every piece of media you see in darktide is vetted by GW and approved

snow fern
dense salmon
#

Because the psykwr has a krieg uniform cosmetic

#

Krieger psykers are a thing

#

And if we refer to the codex

#

Anything with keywords in common can be in the same army

#

So you can have psykers in a krieg army

vale fjord
celest dome
#

We do know that the Arbites do use Psykers, but we don't know if they are considered as Arbites or not

dense salmon
vale fjord
snow fern
#

A buddy cop arbites game with the rookie psyker tailing the vet arbites

celest dome
dense salmon
snow fern
dense salmon
#

Kriegers are especially zealous so I doubt a psyker would be popular among them

vale fjord
#

i bet the most zealous are the mostr popular

celest dome
#

I'm going to say both exist, but the one we have here (Skin) is from non Krieg Psyker attached to the Krieg regiment

snow fern
#

Psykers just aren’t trusted, not even by other psykers often. One slip up is enough to unleash literal hell onto a battlefield

dense salmon
#

Yeah the most likely answer is that the psykwr is drafted from any world and just attached to the death korps

#

It's unlikely a psyker from krieg would serve with the death korps

#

But not impossible

celest dome
#

Yeah, and the Krieg Psyker would be attached to another regiment

celest dome
rocky gale
#

Pretty sure the same is true of Commissars for the Krieg, they're assigned to them, but most people who get assigned to the Krieg end up like the Krieg anyway so it's kinda moot.

dense salmon
#

Yeah

snow fern
dense salmon
#

They aren't conscripted the same way

vale fjord
dense salmon
#

So usually a commissar or psyker are just attached wherever they are needed

arctic talon
#

They usually end up picking some of the culture

#

But yeah

celest dome
dense salmon
#

However the catachans are notorious for disregarding anyone not from catachan

celest dome
dense salmon
#

Catachans are the only ones I could see a reasonable exception being made

#

Considering catachans are notoriously insubordinate and won't listen to anyone they don't respect

rocky gale
#

Well Commissars are raised in the Schola Progenium as orphans, so they don't typically have a great connection to their homeworlds

dense salmon
#

Also true

#

Commissars are more than just officers though, they're political figures as well

#

Trained in diplomacy, theology, etc

snow fern
#

Catachan at least don’t mind reasonable commissars, but since they’re a rarity

celest dome
#

Commissar aren't Officers

dense salmon
#

Commissars are explicitly staff officers

#

But not part of the militarum

rocky gale
#

They are, a Commissar is a political officer

dense salmon
#

They function similarly to the soviet commissars

#

Political figures who are flexible in military positions as well

rocky gale
#

and in some cases can also be granted ranks/command in the Militarum in addition like Gaunt and Yarrick

snow fern
#

I want the books where ol bale eye gets revenged by the Orks already

dense salmon
#

Reading yarrick and cain is a good insight into how commissars function when not in direct military authority

brisk vine
#

So he wanted to take mass out of Christmas

#

Needless to say, the rest of parliament reminded him of his mass filled name

plush mason
#

too Papist? wtf is this the 1700s?

brisk vine
#

He didn't change his name to Thomtide Tidey-Tidey after all

dense salmon
#

Speaking of religious schism

brisk vine
dense salmon
#

We mentioned v for vendetta earlier

brisk vine
#

Some of the more outspoken puritan and anti Catholic types went all out

dense salmon
#

Guy fawkes' entire motivation for blowing up parliament was his religious differences from the dominantly protestant English government

snow fern
#

Guy fawkes was a very silly person.
I like V though, interesting character, deranged, but intelligent

radiant lance
#

dons mass produced guy Fawkes mask to protest consumerism and capitalism

celest dome
#

Yuletide, the next Fatshark game

plush mason
#

lol

celest dome
#

You fight against Esla's horde of Snowmens

#

Elsa ?

#

Or is it Anna ?

radiant lance
#

Elsa

grave sparrow
#

Rolltide, yer in the Alabama boonies fightin off cryptids from a big diesel truck rollin coal

snow fern
#

I feel that the NCAA would take issue with that name unfortunately

dense salmon
#

Lmao

snow fern
#

The NCAA is the National College Athletics Association, their main job is to sell overpriced fan merch and lobby against giving any money/gifts/anything whatsoever to college athletes. Didn’t want to confuse our friends across the seas

brisk vine
#

Imagine if a John Darkmas had backed the motion to rename Christmas

#

😔

#

John Darktide...

snow fern
#

This truly is the mas of our Dark

celest dome
#

God lord will I be happy when the name John will be dead

#

You lot have ruined it

snow fern
dense salmon
#

Joshua, Joseph, David, etc

#

By now those names are just part of western cultural zeitgeist and would exist even without religion

snow fern
#

Never met a Moses tho

soft thunder
# dense salmon

The moebian enforcers throw people into penal colonies for years just for witnessing a crime and not snitching about it. If your a child you might get a lenient sentence of 2 years in a penal colony. This is from the character creation choices lol

brisk vine
#

Hey, could be 20 years in the penal colony or 10 years in the penal legion

dense salmon
crisp heath
#

Question: What is the single most powerful warp feat in 40k, and what could be more powerful? Gamma+ is the highest a human has ever ranked on The Assignment. What are some feats feasible that ranks higher could perhaps do? Delta+ through Omega+

storm jungle
#

It's entirely kinda dependant.

#

Authors tend to invent psychic powers on the spot lol

#

like how Ahriman does so much bullshit as a marine wizard

#

same with Mephiston

plush mason
#

isnt Mephiston the enbodyment of the black rage or something?

hallow plover
#

I think Mephiston can stop time or something

dense salmon
#

Ahriman can go back in time and shit

hallow plover
#

What psyker level is Malcador?

#

I don't know any of his feats beyong force choking a primarch

celest dome
#

Something +

dense salmon
#

Alpha+

#

Malcador, erda, emperor, magnus are the only alpha+ humans i can think of

#

And three of them are perpetuals

#

One is a primarch

#

Ahriman and mephiston are arguably alpha level

celest dome
#

There were a few more iirc, and now they consider Alpha +, Beta +...

#

Before they just had Alpha +

storm jungle
#

yeah Alpha+ is literally just

#

"I can do anything"

dense salmon
#

Once we get that hugh on the scale

storm jungle
#

lol

dense salmon
#

The exact metrics become moot

storm jungle
#

^

dense salmon
#

Because alpha+ is incalculable by nature

storm jungle
#

like i said earlier they can do basically any feat the author allows them to

#

like hiding planets in the warp, stopping time, removing someone from reality, etc

dense salmon
#

The psyker scale is only meant for humans too

storm jungle
#

yeah this

dense salmon
#

Orks and eldar express psyker feats differently

storm jungle
#

its why once you get to Alpha/Near that it becomes more or less Mary Sue territory.

celest dome
storm jungle
dense salmon
#

Alpha+ is where we verge into like

#

Godhood territory

#

And that kind of thing is hard to quantify or qualify

#

It's also a wiiiiide margin

#

Like I sincerely doubt magnus could take on emperor in a psychic fight despite sharing a rank with him

arctic talon
#

Alpha+ just means

#

off the scale

storm jungle
#

Magnus in reality could like

#

literally wave a hand

hallow plover
#

what are the highest ork warp feats?

storm jungle
#

and make you explode

#

but you know he cant

#

otherwise the heroes he fights against die and nobody wants that

dense salmon
storm jungle
#

Thats the realistic showcase of if any space wolf character tried to fight Magnus

#

shame thats not how the books do it

rocky gale
#

See my Psyker is actually an Alpha+ and that's canon, she's so powerful she made herself canon.

plush mason
dense salmon
#

Malcador hiding the fucking moon

plush mason
#

oh and even more casually force choking Horus to put him in his place before that

storm jungle
#

the fact that this applies to most major imperial psyker characters is veryWeary

rocky gale
#

It's now your headcanon too, she's simply that powerful

storm jungle
#

"No see my character Mephiston can just do ZA WARUDO and pause time"

vagrant fox
#

Imperials win again

dense salmon
#

And could like... remove his image from your brain to appear invisible

#

Possess people

#

Etc

#

But orks naturally produce a gestalt field through waaagh! that subtly influences their surroundings

#

The more orks, the stronger the waaagh!

hallow plover
#

Yea I only know about the power of belief and the weapon that shoots gretchins through the warp

vagrant fox
#

I wonder where the darktide psykers fit into this nebulous and vague ranking. Theta-eta-zeta around maybe

hallow plover
#

i'd say zeta

dense salmon
#

Depends on the player

#

Just below primaris or lower ranking primaris

sacred ginkgo
#

and yet we have an (arguably) far lower chance of exploding and summoning demons

vagrant fox
#

Grendyl really said fuck it what could go wrong

sacred ginkgo
#

let hire some ex convict unsanctioned psykers!

#

what could possibly go wrong

wet sandal
#

Psykers should have a 50% chance of turning into a deamonhost when they explode from peril

storm jungle
#

I can see that mechanic being recieved really well

wet sandal
#

Surely no form of backlash will occur

sacred ginkgo
#

now they are just going to have to explain away the fact the posess a few hundred unsanctioned psykers when the see another inquisitor for the next time

#

my y key is just not feeling it today

storm jungle
#

We really dont know how many psykers there are

#

especially no hundreds lol

dense salmon
arctic talon
arctic talon
storm jungle
#

Genuinely.

#

Like people say marines are mary sues and I usually go

#

"Well yeah a bit"

#

but uhhh yeah that book kinda confirmed it out right

snow fern
#

There’s always as many psykers as there needs to be, just as always enough eldar to die in droves even though they’re a dying race

dense salmon
#

Lol

inland sigil
snow fern
#

Do you really love your characters if you don’t personally make their life hell?

inland sigil
#

Whats fun about a character that just succeeds at everything?
I dont understand people that circle jerk space marines sooo much.

snow fern
#

Idk. I don’t pretend to understand a lot of 40k fans

inland sigil
#

^

snow fern
#

Dante needs a hug tho

inland sigil
#

That pretains to ALOT of 40k characters KEKW_ogryn

snow fern
#

Yes, but he’s like one of the few named space marines I can recall

outer wave
#

Do 40k fans really jerk off Space Marines? I know writers do alot of the time but most times on reddit (I know, small portion of fans and its reddit) I just see them complain about space marines and all

rocky gale
#

Everyone complains about Space Marines getting too much attention, but then everyone then goes and buys more books and models for Space Marines, so GW make more books and models for Space Marines and repeat

inland sigil
green loom
green loom
#

I mean

#

There's first purchases like this consistently for them specifically lol

IMG_6985.png
hallow plover
#

I wish we'd get more xenos books though

#

I feel like majority is about Imperium and traitor legions

green loom
#

Another guy I remember bought like over two dozen boxes of the new sternguard and stuff for his black templars

#

As his first puchase

outer wave
#

Oof

rocky gale
#

GW "Here's a Space Marine holding a gun"

Sells out in 30 seconds

GW "How about the same Space Marine but holding a sword?"

Sells out instantly

GW "You like that huh, how about the same Space Marine but with a pistol?"

Also sells out instantly

green loom
#

No it's more like

#

GW: "Here's a space marine with a gun"
Immediately sold out
GW: "Here's the exact same space marine with a slightly different gun"
Immediately sold out
GW: "Here's the exact same space marine but with a sword"
Immediately sold out

#

It's even funnier because rn

#

by design

outer wave
#

Gw: "But uh, what about Space Marine but he's there for his homies?"
Sells out instantly
Gw: "A space marine that kisses his homies goodnight?"
Sells out instantly

arctic talon
green loom
#

Space Marine models don't have any really interesting quirk

arctic talon
#

the aesthetic is intresting

green loom
#

Ye

arctic talon
#

and their lore is neat

#

but I still think some people have a weird pedestal for them

green loom
#

But they're kept generic

#

Cus half the point is "Your guys"

outer wave
#

Ye they're really cool but they're close to Imperial Guard when it comes to being the generic army man of 40k

#

Just super'd up

green loom
#

I'm ngl I think Cadian Shock Troopers have more variation in their base kit than Intercessors KEKW_ogryn

#

Or most of the Tacticus marines for that matter KEKW_ogryn

dense salmon
green loom
#

But again that's like

#

kinda the point

#

In a really dumb way

#

Only difference is the old generic tacticals came with cool bits KEKW_ogryn

dense salmon
#

It's always nice seeing throwback armies

soft thunder
dense salmon
#

Primaris is a rank granted to a psyker separate but tied to the psyker scale

storm jungle
#

^

dense salmon
#

A primaris psyker can dependably use their powers without endangering themselves or others

storm jungle
#

Primaris psykers existed WAY before primaris marines

dense salmon
#

The benchmark for that is typically delta level

storm jungle
#

its just Random Latin Word mixing up with another that GW used way later.

soft thunder
#

heirophant naming situation, it seems

storm jungle
#

Yep!

#

for example if you look up castigator in 40k

arctic talon
#

Castellan

dense salmon
#

Lord arbitrator, lord inquisitor, lord castellan, lord comissar, lord general

soft thunder
#

yall think grndyl is a lord inquisitor? the teaser has rannick call him 'my lord inquisitor' but i dont think anything else calls him lord

storm jungle
#

VERY possible but hard to tell

dense salmon
#

Calling a direct superior in the inquisition lord is not without precedent, could be a simple formality

storm jungle
#

^

#

was gonna say yeah

soft thunder
#

rannick, wyrmwood, and zola refer to him as 'master' occassionally

storm jungle
#

yeah they do that with normal inquisitors too, its also formality

dense salmon
#

It's like how uh

soft thunder
#

ya I'll assume it's formality until something new appears

storm jungle
#

id say hold up on adding it to your lore notes until fatshark explicitly refers to Grendyl as "Lord Inquisitor"

soft thunder
#

like how guardsman call spess merns my lord frequently

dense salmon
#

In antiquity the noble class might call eachother lord regardless of rank

#

Like a Duke would still refer to a count as lord despite being superior in status

#

Just etiquette

#

The cain series also implies the status of "lord commissar" is a subjective matter

storm jungle
#

Yeee

#

Grendyl is a big anomaly atm

crisp heath
# storm jungle

Literally that stops at alpha plus... I specifically said I was looking for the really crazy stuff... I know what it looks like between the normal stages...

dense salmon
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Malcador hiding the entire moon is kind of crazy

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dense salmon
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Magnus also crushed a bunch of eldar wraiths like soda cans

crisp heath
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like i said 3 times now its "do whatever the writers allows you to do"

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No its not

storm jungle
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by official designations yes it is

crisp heath
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Literally by official designation, Omega+ is

dense salmon
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Mephiston stopping time is pretty nutty

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Yvraine brought the rubic marines back to life just to troll ahriman

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There's the emperor using his mind to bring the word bearers to their knees

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Outright confirming he could mind control anyone he wants at any time if he wanted to

storm jungle
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and entirely its own thing

dense salmon
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Ahriman time traveling

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most other official material doesn't use these extra designations

dense salmon
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Less cool feats would be like

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Emperor using biomancy in creation of custodes and primarchs

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To create demigods

crisp heath
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Well how the hell am I supposed to know that. When I looked up anything regarding rankings, it all fell in line with this, saying that the possibility of some mindbending extreme powers we've yet to even contemplate exist out there

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And I was curious what would happen when we contemplated what those power levels could entail

dense salmon
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Alpha+ is where we get to godlike, galaxy-level threats

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But by nature it's incalculable

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So what happens past that lol?

dense salmon
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It's a good question

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It's hard to say

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By the time you're alpha+ you are a titan in the warp

crisp heath
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Where would teenztch fall on the scale?

dense salmon
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So your presence in the warp and your influence on the immaterium goes up

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Like we could argue emperor became stronger as a warp entity than he ever was in the flesh

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Therefore his alpha+ ranking would go even higher

arctic talon
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Alpha+ as a ranking just means (not quantifiable)

dense salmon
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But the thing about the psyker scale is it only is effective in measuring humans

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^

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also that

crisp heath
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Fair... well, it ranks eldrad, so not necessarily

arctic talon
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Alpha+ just means its beyond the scale™️

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green loom
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Beyond alpha+ the line between god and psyker blurs a lot

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bcs I know the rating isn't in any of the Eldar codex's

crisp heath
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Ive always seen him ranked as alpha plus alongside the emperor

dense salmon
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We could put Eldrad as alpha+ hypothetically but

arctic talon
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Thats mostly people going off of the fact he fought magnus and won

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but also like

dense salmon
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There are inaccuracies

arctic talon
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Its weird to rank Eldrad

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FOR example if we use the scale every eldar farseer is minimum delta tier

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Because eldar evolved to survive their psychic abilities

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And control them

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Whereas humans didn't

crisp heath
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Why? You could rank most eldar I believe. They'd just all be higher than humans by an extent

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I'd agree with base eldar being around delta

dense salmon
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I guess there are things not fully understood about the eldar biology that makes ranking them on the scale inaccurate

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They would need their own scale

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We could compare them though

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Eldrad is comparable to alpha+ humans

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I wonder if the biology is different enough though to warrant a new ranking. We know the emperor wanted a full psycher human race, so perfect world we'd have been fairly similar to the eldar in the end. I just don't see why any psycher wouldn't fall under the same ranking, no matter their race, as psycher ability development seems to be pretty similar amongst the races, when it decides to show up.

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because Eldar psyker ability development is technically infinite in theory

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in practice you're going to get your soul ripped out if you go overboard

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So? That just means the full extent of the ranking system would be used

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Instead of stopping at alpha plus

arctic talon
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because ranking an Eldar wouldn't really make sense

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since their ranking can change

dense salmon
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Humans also have mobility on the scale

storm jungle
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Eldar are literally a psychic race superior to humans yeah

arctic talon
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so to speak based on the path they walk

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it wouldnt make snese

arctic talon
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like someone on the path of the seer is gona be much higher on said scale

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then someone on like the path of the artisan

crisp heath
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Superior just means ranked higher on the scale

arctic talon
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I'm not sure if thats an Eldar path actually

dense salmon
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It would make more sense to rank them on their own scale

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Or have a universal scale

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In which even powerful human psykers would rank much lower

arctic talon
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are they ever gona change the Yin and Yang symbol for Path of the Eldar lol

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its kinda funny

crisp heath
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Just feels weird to not ank things

arctic talon
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its just weird to quantify eldar levels of psychic power imo

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since it changes based on the path they walk

dense salmon
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Psykers are already pretty hard to measure

crisp heath
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Not really... we do it in every other media. You would just look at the individuals, like any other race.

dense salmon
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Because even a low rank psyker could spaz out and disintegrate a building

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With the average eldar being still far higher then a human

dense salmon
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Consistency is the key

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And because eldar are always consistent

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They would always be higher

crisp heath
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Again not really. It'd be like martial arts, psycher arts lol. They're moving up in belts...

dense salmon
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It's just the eldar start at a blue belt where humans start at white