40k-lore-chat

[tulip brook]

I'm speculating because the media is hesitant on directly calling them nurglites, they leave some wiggling space

[celest dome]

8 pointed star is still used by Chaos pledged factions

[storm jungle]

the Moebians are not Undivided

[bronze vigil]

We will see tbh

But the Wolfer guy sounds like a typical chaos traitor, he does not even mention the Plaguefather at all he just wants freedom from the Imperium

[arctic talon]

They look unidivided sorta

but they def aren't

Look at their skin

[storm jungle]

they look sickly as shit and got Nurgle iconography on them

[dusk patrol]

The Black Legion as a faction isn’t even undivided really mostly, it’s made up of a lot of hard pledged factions

[queen laurel]

it's The color scheme

[arctic talon]

yeah

associating black + gunmetal grey with undivided makes sense mentally

[dusk patrol]

It’s more they’re not all zombies I guess but they’re definitely nurgle

[queen laurel]

Looking at them without closer inspection you would think they are undivided

[storm jungle]

also people legit think every chaos sub-group has to look drastically like their patron, the 6th have not been been infected for long.

[dusk patrol]

Now maybe they could add more factions with other leanings later on

[celest dome]

They are Nurglite, but they easily could be realligned to be propper Undivided if they introduce new chaos factions

[storm jungle]

yeah its more that they went with the Abnett-esque way of presentation

[dusk patrol]

^

[storm jungle]

where they got a realistic in-universe look to them

[arctic talon]

6th are def nice and fresh

regarding their conversion

[bronze vigil]

The Carnac twins do have the Nurgle symbols

[queen laurel]

at least they look better than the streets of New York still

[storm jungle]

they all do

[dusk patrol]

Abnett likes more grounded cultists

[storm jungle]

^

the fact that Abnett was even behind the new map shows that he still has the influence

[dusk patrol]

The carnival is a very Abnett-esque location

[celest dome]

Thinking of it, does the Karnak twin with the Nurglite symbol have a visible weapon ?

[dusk patrol]

Sounds and looks like something out of the Eisenhorn books

[dusk patrol]

Iirc one has a gun

One has a sword?

[tulip brook]

more grounded cultists and zealots shouting khorn battle cries

[dusk patrol]

Which will probably be their fight

[celest dome]

The Plasma looked to be on Wolfer no ?

[storm jungle]

yeah they'll deffo be an assassination mission

[dusk patrol]

One shooty one stabby

[queen laurel]

i want wolfer to scream

[dusk patrol]

Idk I’d have to check the trailer again I recall one having a gun

[winged jacinth]

It specifically reminds me of the time they go to a circus in... one of the ravenors? And there's a bunch of xenos bloodsport animals

[celest dome]

||>!There is code for a Dual Lord, would have to check back what it was for though!<||

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

Karnak twins have a gun on one of them

[queen laurel]

I want to see that composed look of his lose his mind basically

[storm jungle]

also literally called the Carnival

Abnett knows whats up

[dusk patrol]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking lol

Similar vibe

Dark and sinister “recreation” area

Also like the uh Fantasy thing

[queen laurel]

shame there are no rides on the place, because the only joyride you will be getting is the drugs getting you high

[winged jacinth]

That's probably how our carnival was 3 months ago

[dusk patrol]

The traveling Carnival

[bronze vigil]

Tbh the Moebian sixth looks like they self-multilate than them being plague-afflicted

But still hoping we have some other chaos-aligned traitors later in the game, like maybe have some enemy psykers

[celest dome]

Iirc Necromunda had such things before

[storm jungle]

They are absolutely plague inflicted

I'll go and get some shots ingame

I appreciated their ingame models too much to just go "oh they are undivided"

[crisp heath]

I'm almost certain we will get Chaos undivided

[queen laurel]

yeah they look like a shriveled up ball sack

I don't pay attention to their faces a lot but when it gets close I can see the damn thing

[dusk patrol]

Look Dilara you gotta stop holding women to unrealistic beauty standards

Not all of us can have lips

[storm jungle]

Freddy No Nose 💀

[dusk patrol]

Hey if I was a Nurgle cultist

I’d be ok with losing my nose too

[celest dome]

They'll more likely be "rebranded" as Undivided than them adding a separate Undivided faction

[normal light]

🫡

[dusk patrol]

That’s a legit blessing

[normal light]

Poor guy in the middle should gone full bald like his friends

[queen laurel]

if i serve Nurgle and i turned into Voldemort that didn't get sunscreen, there will be problems to nurgle's garden

[bronze vigil]

I guess both self-mutilation and plague affliction I guess

[tulip brook]

he can give you the biggest nose ever just to make you happy

[crisp heath]

For real though. To the people hoping we get more Cults. I think the game is likely to go in a Chaos Undivided direction, where we will get a sect from each faction, and those will interfight amongst themselves. They have the programs for it, and anything less than 3 would be a backstep from Vermintide. I also think, and really hope it happens soon, that we will get companions or "pets", like the servoskulls, a cherub, or maybe a squig. 🤷‍♂️ I hope it's implemented anyway

[tulip brook]

grandfather is wholesome like that

[normal light]

I think most of his wounds are like from shrapnel

cause they look like this

And maybe than noses got amputated for reasons

[near wasp]

Infected wounds are a blessing

[bronze vigil]

Maybe but the long cuts/wounds seems sus for shrapnel wounds, look like they self-mutilate imo

[normal light]

like being disfigured

[crisp heath]

@normal light nah, it's literally rot. That's it. When you decay, cartilage goes first

[normal light]

and not providing proper air circulation

[queen laurel]

and what you want me to end up like this?

i'm good man

[winged jacinth]

Your nose rotting off is signature nurgle plague yeah

[queen laurel]

i just want to keep most of my body intact

[normal light]

[celest dome]

Tech for Ai vs tide may not be the same as Tide vs Tide
But nonetheless adding a "devoted" Undivided faction would be quite wastful when the Scab are already suitable for it

[tulip brook]

it's ok too, you can keep all your body intact, and more and more

[crisp heath]

Not devoted. 4 cults, 4 gods, "working together"

[normal light]

cringe

[crisp heath]

They'd fight and war amongst themselves, and we'd fight them.

[normal light]

and copium

[winged jacinth]

My theoretical problem is that tide v tide requires way more bodies to be simulated for the same level of challenge

[bronze vigil]

Chaos undivided can serve any god depending on the situation tbh

[crisp heath]

Literally they have the programing for it but I'm done wih fuckers like you in these chats. Really making me not want to join these conversations anymore

[celest dome]

The solution is to have
Dreg Nurgle
Scab Undivided
and 3 new factions that are for each chaos gods, but there isn't need for a new Undivided faction

[bronze vigil]

But I guess Moebian 6th are just seems to be for Nurgle… for now

[winged jacinth]

Are you saying that necromancer sienna is the same as two hordes colliding?

[tulip brook]

I just want slaanesh cultists

[winged jacinth]

The programming understander has logged on

[celest dome]

Chaos Undivided often time incorporate Chaos God devoted factions

[crisp heath]

@winged jacinth that was at crab. not you

[normal light]

[winged jacinth]

Oh

Yeah conceptually its not bad

There's a variety of technical concerns

[bronze vigil]

Would’ve preferred that over the genestealer cult because the more enemy factions (now xenos) they add the more it make sense lorewise to just use exterminatus on the planet than save it

[celest dome]

You're saying that as if GSC are confirmed

[crisp heath]

BTW, if you look around. The symbol for chaos undivided is literally everywhere on the map

[normal light]

🤷 As you want

[winged jacinth]

I feel like a slaanesh cult would struggle to establish itself in most of a hive, like where are they gonna find the time or money to be excessive

Could be in the spire though

[crisp heath]

@normal light fuck off

[celest dome]

Plenty of planets have had multiple Cults working together without being under threat of Exterminatus

[bronze vigil]

I mean add orks and some drucharii raiders and not even Grendyl will consider it worth saving with our little ship, they have to call the space marines at least or maybe the sisters of battle 🤣

[rocky gale]

The Carnival seems like a great place for a Slaanesh cult tbh

[crisp heath]

I'd honestly prefer anything over another chaos faction. They already have the best god in the game, would be boring to add another one.

[celest dome]

The 8 pointed star is used by all Cults, not just undivided ones

[storm jungle]

The 6th are entirely Nurgle and are not gonna change "gods", its what their entire design prospect is all about.

Its just "subtle" because this game is going for a more realistic artstyle.

[crisp heath]

I never said they were

Chaos undivided uses Cults from every faction

[queen laurel]

They look like raisins that got chewed up by a baby

[winged jacinth]

If you look at official art basically every cult mixes in the generic iconography for extra visual recognizability and flair

[celest dome]

Other Chaos Cults wouldn't be "Dreg but Red/Blue/Pink"

[queen laurel]

Yeah they are definitely Nurgle

[storm jungle]

Also this

the chaos star is universal

[normal light]

Never seen 3rd eye on bulwark, but it looks good

[bronze vigil]

Ok just hoping we get see new enemy varieties/archetypes later on

[storm jungle]

its an easy symbol for the player to read and go "hey its a bad guy"

[crisp heath]

They can be a pure nurgle cult and still fight a war for chaos undivided

[storm jungle]

yeah but even the traitor Captains are nurgle alligned and they are high ranking.

mentioning his Cauldron, evoking the number 7 constantly, etc

[crisp heath]

Nah I'm just saying I wouldn't want to fight Khorne if I can fight Nurgle, and I wouldn't want to fight Tzeentch at all lmao

Look... I can't see the future... just a hope. If it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen. But keeping it only nurgle will inevitably kill the game

[storm jungle]

Nah.

Why would it.

The playerbase doesn't care about who they kill, they are here for a plot and a good gameplay loop.

[crisp heath]

Because it's a backstep from vermintide and will eventually get boring

[celest dome]

As far as we're considered, it's Nurgle only atm, maybe they'll rescope them as Undivided if they introduce new cults but it's very doubtful

[bronze vigil]

They could introduce a new enemy faction that serve another chaos god I guess

[winged jacinth]

I feel like slaanesh would probably be the most interesting cult as a whole faction? Khorne is kinda boring for enemy design and tzeentch... i dunno what you do there

[rocky gale]

Killing heretics never gets boring

[storm jungle]

Yeah Khorne is just generic af

[crisp heath]

I think they care more than you think... but it is what it is. Apparently I'm just wrong.

[storm jungle]

Slaanesh would be interesting for duellist/hyper-face enemies or something close to that.

[celest dome]

Why would you not want to fight Khorne or Tzeentch ?

[crisp heath]

I can see another cult, but hope not. Praying we get GSC eventually.

[bronze vigil]

But it’ll be fun fighting enemies that are as tough as maulers and ragers tbh, and hit hard

[storm jungle]

You assume people like fighting Ragers

💀

[bronze vigil]

I do, they gave some real challenge in the game

[storm jungle]

You do, most of the playerbase doesn't

[normal light]

Slaanesh would be full of "ragers"

[crisp heath]

Khorne is fine and I can see why people like him, but easily the least interesting of Chaos gods, his armies are really designed around appealing to expectations and the lowest common denominator.

[celest dome]

Any of the Chaos God's servant can be generic af
But they can be built to things that are more special

[rocky gale]

A Fiend of Slaanesh could be a fun Monstrosity to fight

[normal light]

By that I mean enemies that you can`t stagger

[storm jungle]

Khorne is just generic DOOM demons

he isnt interesting

[crisp heath]

And I just get disappointed whenever chaos content is made and it turns out to be Tzeentch focused

To those not knowing how tzeentch would fit in... we have no psycher enemies. Think about that for a moment....

[bronze vigil]

Thought it was fun to kill heretics, I guess depends on the heretic for them

[celest dome]

But it's servant can be interesting

[storm jungle]

Ehhhh kinda

[storm jungle]

Tzeentch enemies just crash your game

💀

[bronze vigil]

Big E gonna be disappointed with em

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/glitch-gif-18516012

[normal light]

Straight up Blue Death Screen

[crisp heath]

Lmao Tzeentch enemies make you go into the game files and delete them instead of shooting at them

[storm jungle]

No refunds.

[bronze vigil]

Enemy psykers would still be fun to fight

[celest dome]

Other Chaos gods would be better for the up time of the game than GSC

[rocky gale]

Tzeentch enemies are just Psycho Mantis from Metal Gear

[bronze vigil]

If balanced right and not Tzeentch meme enemies

[bronze vigil]

Yeah mofos wanting genestealers but hating on fighting ragers

Weird kink

[normal light]

GSC Copium

[storm jungle]

^

A lot of people here clown on people for wanting GSC

[warm notch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Vermintide/comments/1814oqa/what_if_there_was_a_tide_game_with_skaven/?

[storm jungle]

[warm notch]

Thoughts?

[storm jungle]

Very crazy idea.

[celest dome]

Of course I know him, he's me

[dusk patrol]

Would never work

[queen laurel]

Who gonna tell him?

[bronze vigil]

Vermintide game where we fight all the skaven clans please :3

[dusk patrol]

Chaostide or Greentide makes more sense

[celest dome]

Giant rats in the Sewers ? Who's that lunatic

[queen laurel]

Dilara?

[dusk patrol]

Also like, imagine falling for the conspiracy theories and thinking shaven exist

[bronze vigil]

Shaven skaven much less real than the skaven

[warm notch]

Obese Megalodon pls make Skaven Darktide

[crisp heath]

The Shaven

[dusk patrol]

I’m not fixing it

[crisp heath]

Clippertide

[dusk patrol]

[bronze vigil]

Beastmen are in 40k maybe those guys could be the undivided in the game

[dusk patrol]

[celest dome]

Beastmen as playable archetype

[dusk patrol]

Beastmen in 40k aren’t as organized

They tend to be glorified cannon fodder

[crisp heath]

If there is a single beastman enemy I will take back everything I ever said about another chaos faction and put a photo of every dev on my family's memorial altar

[dusk patrol]

With a few

Notable exceptions

[crisp heath]

I will uninvite people from Christmas to make room for the Fatshark crew if we see 1 beastman

[queen laurel]

and most of them just appear as the smaller Gors

[bronze vigil]

Maybe the chaos gods feel left out so they decided it’s time to join the party because they felt Nurgle is losing the war in Tertium if one small Inquisition ship can fight a whole hive city full of heretics, cultists, and nurgle shenanigans

[dusk patrol]

Yeah there’s not as much variety in depictions

Although theoretically all of the beastmen could exist

Man fuck autocorrect

[celest dome]

If they introduce new factions it should always be local groups that are starting to see the possibilities and want a part of the Tertium Hive cake

[bronze vigil]

Would prefer ratling so we can have some smol rejects

[rocky gale]

I wonder what's going on with the Second Hive, everyone says it's Forsaken or Lost but one of the Psyker lines says that it they sense billions of souls within it.

[dusk patrol]

Genestealers probably tbh

[bronze vigil]

Typical Genestealer rave i guess

[celest dome]

But what would a Ratling be able to bring
And how would you like to play as always crouching

[dusk patrol]

It’s an obvious choice for a new faction as much as it does get overstated

Besides more chaos

[arctic talon]

It’s prolly genestealers

[celest dome]

Probably Chaos Storm and gonna be used for Chaos Waste mode

[arctic talon]

Or some other horrific chaos thing

[bronze vigil]

Snipe and steal ammo from enemy and fuck everyone…up

[arctic talon]

Either way it’ll suck

[bronze vigil]

Ratling stealing Ogryn rations

[dusk patrol]

for them

[storm jungle]

A new class is also just way too much work, so idk how they'll do it.

[dusk patrol]

In about four years

Standard FS time table

[bronze vigil]

They’ll do it, after a few years I guess

[celest dome]

I don't think we can say whether it's GSC that are in the second Hive, like there is nothing pointing to it yet

[crisp heath]

They do mention ratling snipers a lot, but the issue is we already have a sniper and I can't really see them making vet but short. I couldn't even guess at what is a realistic hope for a new class.

[storm jungle]

oh my god

thats just random conversations

💀

[dusk patrol]

They’ve already mentioned the issue with Ratlings is the maps aren’t made for them

[celest dome]

They do know that it would sell like hot bread.
Though I would prefer new branches for every archetypes

[storm jungle]

same with how genestealers get mentioned only when someone mentions Xanatros

[dusk patrol]

Sorry wrong reply

[storm jungle]

Also this yeah.

[dusk patrol]

But yeah, they built maps around Bardin

[river sequoia]

My hope is excommunicated tech priest.

[dusk patrol]

Ad Mech is the most likely imo

Just because the other niches are mostly filled

But we’ll see

[storm jungle]

Yeah

[bronze vigil]

Kinda sad ratlings won’t be in the game

[celest dome]

But how about those Goliath, those Jakhal bikes, Zolla is a GSC

[storm jungle]

[crisp heath]

Seeing as we're convicts, I do think it would be fun to have a combat servitor with a glimmer of a personality as a teammate

[dusk patrol]

The issue is also, what would they really do that guardsman doesn’t already?

They’re mostly just snipers in lore

[storm jungle]

I love people seeing the Goliath truck and saying its GSC jokes aside.

Its like someone seeing my middle-eastern dad driving a honda and saying he has to be a terrorist and its just missing an LMG mounted at the back

💀

[crisp heath]

Imagine hearing the medicae stations charming personality through the whole game

[dusk patrol]

Cooks, and fixers

[celest dome]

Servitor would be a bad idea

[bronze vigil]

Well we don’t have proper snipers in the game anyway

[dusk patrol]

The guardsmens fills the role

[celest dome]

We have Sharpshooter

[bronze vigil]

Yeah I guess

[dusk patrol]

He just doesn’t have a longlas yet

Which idk if we need even

[crisp heath]

I don't think a "true" sniper class would work in darktide. Vet is the vest implementation we can hope for imo

[storm jungle]

its in the files

so we'll get it at some point

[arctic talon]

Scopeless long Las

[crisp heath]

What annoys me is that the lasgun without a scope is the best one for sniping rn, absolutely ruins my immersion (jk, not jk)

[bronze vigil]

Still going to hope for hotshot lasguns and bolt pistols

[celest dome]

To reasure people, none of the weapons have scopes in the insignias

[storm jungle]

Idk id love a high damage almost insta-kill longlas

[rocky gale]

Gimmie Inferno pistol

[arctic talon]

I’m just making a silly joke, I think it would be funny

[rocky gale]

Kill everything in one shot, but only from 3ft away

[arctic talon]

To get a long las but it has no scope

You gotta pay hadron extra

[bronze vigil]

Hopefully we get stormtrooper cosmetics as well

[dusk patrol]

Scopes? What is this call of duty?

[crisp heath]

That's basically how I use the Lucius, I just wish it was scoped for the emotional value

[celest dome]

Inferno Pistol are a tad more rare than anything we have, Melta Pistol are more appropriate

[dusk patrol]

You’ll use your shitty iron sights and you’ll like it guardsmen

[dusk patrol]

Inferno pistols are melta pistols

[bronze vigil]

Meltaguns would be great as well

[river sequoia]

A tech priest could be something like a support hybrid that can spec into either melee or special mechanicus weapons. Something like depuffing enemy weapons or creating a mass weapon jam within range would be neat. And using esoteric weapons like rad rifles to cancer a line of heretics to death

[crisp heath]

Oh yeah a meltagun for vet

[dusk patrol]

Meltas make more sense anyways

[crisp heath]

Chefs kiss

[dusk patrol]

Meltas are fairly common

[celest dome]

They are a subset of Melta Pistols

[crisp heath]

Take my boy the barber and Jurgen him up

[bronze vigil]

Anyway hopefully we get some sort of feature like the one in the weapon customization mod

[celest dome]

I wouldn't hold by breath for it

[bronze vigil]

If a third-party mod can I think it can be implemented officially as well

[dusk patrol]

Every example I can recall just calls them inferno pistols

They’re just super rare

Mostly only used be marines and high ranking normies

[arctic talon]

I don’t think a melta pistol has ever been called a melta pistol

It’s always called an inferno pistol

[storm jungle]

yeah its an inferno pistol

[arctic talon]

Which I’ve always found weird but it sounds cool as shit

[storm jungle]

mostly for tabletop reasons

[crisp heath]

I still wish we had official support for scoreboards but I guess we already decided not to die on that hill

[dusk patrol]

Melta pistol doesn’t sound as cool so I’m all for it

Vs

Inferno Pistol

guitar riff

[bronze vigil]

Inferno Pistol sounds silly but also badass as well

[dusk patrol]

U sound silly

Got em

[storm jungle]

Dante's Inferno Pistol

🧠

[dusk patrol]

[bronze vigil]

Ofc I do I just horse around all the time

Not as silly as eternal reward though

[crisp heath]

"Hotshot lasgun" I sleep
"Hellgun" real shit?

[dusk patrol]

I do prefer hellgun

[arctic talon]

I like both

[dusk patrol]

To be clear my name comes from what this knife is referencing

[bronze vigil]

Hotshot reminds me of Judge Dredd, Hellgun of DOOM

Both sound badass

[dusk patrol]

But yes

[crisp heath]

I think they're good for two different vibes yeah

[dusk patrol]

I’m quite proud of the Xbox name 11 year old me picks tbh

[arctic talon]

Hellgun sounds more casual

Like lingo

[bronze vigil]

Hell, gun

Might as well use it

[arctic talon]

Hotshot lasgun sounds like what some nerd came up with as an official classification

[crisp heath]

Hotshot is "I modified this behind my captains back, it's equally likely to kill me as the other guy", Hellgun is "the emperor gave me this because he was tired of seeing of you"

[dusk patrol]

[bronze vigil]

Too many syllables so hellgun is more apt for an everyday guardsman

[arctic talon]

Also if you say hotshot lasgun

It might like

Confuse someone if they only hear the lasgun portion

Hellgun is more distinct

[bronze vigil]

Yup that’s what I meant, it’s easier to pronounce and understandable for the average guardsman

[crisp heath]

I'm sure eventually we'll get another knife because it seems like every 6 months or so a knife decides to break the meta

Darktide will make knives fascinating

[bronze vigil]

Hoping we get better cosmetics for em and not just some recolors

I like the new sword and knife cosmetics because they change them a bit

[dusk patrol]

There used to be a distinction in lore where the hotshot was a power pack which dumped its charge while the hellgun was typically hooked up to a power pack

But they’ve moved away from that

[crisp heath]

But yeah going back to classes, I think I just pinned down why admech feels "wrong" to me

[dusk patrol]

Well whatever it is

You’re wrong for feeling wrong

[bronze vigil]

Admechs being rejects don’t even make sense in the lore

[arctic talon]

Kasrkin have a hotshot sniper with the funny pack

[dusk patrol]

Ad Mech is based

[arctic talon]

[crisp heath]

They aren't going to make new cutscenes for a new class, at least not to replace the ones they have, and it's hard to imagine a tech priest or skitarii sitting in a prison cell

[dusk patrol]

There’s a million reasons it could work

Idk why people always say this

We have like

[crisp heath]

It just feels like whatever they did would be handled internally

[dusk patrol]

Fifty extremely powerful dangerous rogue psykers on the ship

Or whatever the number is supposed to be

Hundreds

Thousands

[arctic talon]

At least 6

[crisp heath]

I think it's just that they don't fit in the cutscenes we have, even if it could work narratively

[bronze vigil]

Ok and do pray tell why we don’t have a damn ratling when they’re one of the most common abhumans in the lore

[dusk patrol]

That’s way note of a stretch than “Inquisitor get an Ad Mech dude who fucked up”

[arctic talon]

Have it be some tech adept that got shit canned 3 days in

Lol

[dusk patrol]

Because they’re not super common and the games not built for them

I think they’d make perfect sense

[celest dome]

There is no hard lore that would make it impossible for lesser Tech member of the Cult to be thrown in the Penal system, could even have the Inquisition take the people before they get Servitorized

[dusk patrol]

But the game isn’t built for them

[winged jacinth]

Why? A tech adept is less valuable than a trained psyker and more corruptible than a zealot

Oh nice scroll

I love discord

[dusk patrol]

lol

[crisp heath]

Enginseer the admech literally forgot was on their payroll lmao

[bronze vigil]

Perhaps but not that many, so point still stands tbh

[dusk patrol]

There’s a million reasons it works

[celest dome]

Cause 3 PoV are much less manageable and Ratling bring nothing to the table ?

[dusk patrol]

I don’t think a Ratling doesn’t work lore wise

I think gameplay wise it doesn’t

[celest dome]

Perhaps Abnett would be free to write it off ?

[bronze vigil]

Ad mech sounds more promising I guess with some unique ad mech weapons

[dusk patrol]

Basically

[winged jacinth]

We already have guardman and abhuman, idk if abhuman guardsman has much narrative room

[dusk patrol]

Plus maybe like, servitor dudes it can deploy

[crisp heath]

I do think gameplay wise the new class would be a support since we don't really have a strong support option, so admech makes sense there, but I just can't see it fitting in

[dusk patrol]

They’ve said they wanna use the AI they made for necromancer Sienna

Ad Mech also just has

[bronze vigil]

So gameplay wise it could work, and fuck the lore I guess because it’s 40k anyway retcon happens like it’s your typical Tuesday

[dusk patrol]

A shit ton of variety in what it could do

[celest dome]

1 branch should Summoner max, rest should be about other stuff

[winged jacinth]

Admech does make a lot of sense as the pet class

[celest dome]

What lore does it break ? Every sector deal with their own people as they see fit

[bronze vigil]

If the ad mech can have a servo-skull or servitor it could work and I’m all for it

[bronze vigil]

So is the ad mech they deal with their own internally most of the time lmao

[storm jungle]

People also always forget 40k is a setting BUILT on excuses/explanations.

[dusk patrol]

and Atoma is already a really unusual situation

[bronze vigil]

You won’t see some random ad mech becoming a reject, they’ll likely end up being a servitor

[crisp heath]

I would say that being recognizable is a big part of what would be in a new class, but I guess Ogryn weren't really recognizable before Darktide for casual fans, and Zealot is just some dude

[dusk patrol]

Ok

[celest dome]

"Most"
And as I've said each Sector and even each Forge World would deal with it in their own ways

[dusk patrol]

Like I feel like you’re not getting that none of these rejects would normally get a chance to join an Inquisition retinue either

This whole situation is extremely unique

[bronze vigil]

Yeah and I don’t think they’ll give ‘em to an inquisitor, you see my point

[winged jacinth]

I bet the admech doesn't just servitorize suspected heretics, and that's what everyone is on the bastion for iirc

[crisp heath]

Oh yeah that reminds me, zealot is just some dude. It could be literally a guy who doesn't belong to a "career" we already know of, who happens to be good at a certain thing.

[dusk patrol]

The Inquisitor is obviously scrambling for whoever he can get to fight this war

[winged jacinth]

Wait no i guess we pick a crime i forgot?

[arctic talon]

getting servitorized generally means its a big fuck up

like really big

you'll usually just get executed/killed lol

[dusk patrol]

And once again, the psykers are way way way more crazy an idea

[bronze vigil]

Weird he haven’t called upon the Ordo’s special forces hmm?

[dusk patrol]

Than a few ad mech dudes

[storm jungle]

I mean we can't

the announcers say this constantly

[dusk patrol]

The point seems to be he can’t

[storm jungle]

nobody is coming for backup

[crisp heath]

Or some tech priest running out of spare parts and you being more convenient than waiting on a shipment

[arctic talon]

there's literally a comms blackout

[celest dome]

Gangers could work as a new archetype, but it's a very broad type, so certain things would be left out

[dusk patrol]

This is like, something likely space marines would have been called in for if they could

[bronze vigil]

I wonder why, is Grendyl gone rogue or what

[winged jacinth]

But yeah like they don't put psykers in regular jail those dudes are wizards

[dusk patrol]

Atoma is a valuable world

[arctic talon]

Grendyl def is not a puritan lol

[dusk patrol]

This is a huge outbreak

[arctic talon]

I can say that for certain

[celest dome]

Nobody answered

[storm jungle]

Same reason you just can't get an entire armada/army across the world when a war breaks out, communication and transportation is hard.

[winged jacinth]

The imperium is having a cool time in the lore rn

[crisp heath]

Yeah now that you say "ganger", that feels right to me. Ganger feels right.

[bronze vigil]

Then where would they get the ad mech

[rocky gale]

Sure we have to use the massive Comms array during one of the missions just to send a status report outside of the System

[dusk patrol]

It’s the middle of Indomitus

Everyone is stretched to the edge

[arctic talon]

my brother in christ there's random tech priests and tech adepts in every manufactorum in existance

[dusk patrol]

That’s a common theme with all new books

[arctic talon]

across the whole sector

[dusk patrol]

Also

The fucking psykers

[bronze vigil]

Sister but yeah I guess

[arctic talon]

There's literally an industrial world

[arctic talon]

my bad

[dusk patrol]

Do you think psykers are more common than tech priests

[winged jacinth]

Tertium is basically a giant tank factory itself

[crisp heath]

If we get a tech priest it would probably be an enginseer

[celest dome]

I would prefer Ganger type Cosmetics or even branches for every archetypes tbh

[arctic talon]

There's absolutely some tech priests on atoma

[celest dome]

Lower

[bronze vigil]

Maybe we can find a mission where we can encounter some because all we see are heretics even in the factories

[dusk patrol]

Hadron is just the main one in charge

[arctic talon]

they've got the banners of Graia all over the palce

[dusk patrol]

There’s definitely a ton on the ship

We see them

[bronze vigil]

Maybe some rescue mission

[crisp heath]

Nah enginseers are plenty low. It's literally a job tech priests get as punishment and depending on writer might even prevent them from getting more augmetics.

[arctic talon]

which is a fun choice

I'm glad they didn't choose mars

[winged jacinth]

My uncle works at fatshark and he told me the new class is "a magos who wants to blow off some steam"

[dusk patrol]

And yeah

[arctic talon]

as the like forgeworld running everything

[dusk patrol]

We go to a foundry

[storm jungle]

And Grendyl's gambit proves him right in that most of the Rejects become proper Inquisitorial agents/Kill-Team members.

The carnival proves this again because from the body count you rack up the traitor's who are an elite regiment in their own right assume you are in platoon strenght AT LEAST.

[arctic talon]

"There's 50 of them"

[storm jungle]

And you are just four people.

[dusk patrol]

Well, some of them did at least

[storm jungle]

true

[dusk patrol]

I think it’s implied most of them are uh

It’s like guardians in destiny

The players seem to be a lot better than the normies

“Went down as a squad of nine”

[storm jungle]

^

Oh no

its just 4

the radio says so

[dusk patrol]

Nvm it’s a destiny reference

[storm jungle]

💀

[bronze vigil]

At this point I guess Grendyl don’t even need to call backups if we can manage to fight a whole regiment of traitor guardsmen and thousands/millions of cultists and poxwalkers not to mention some mutants and demons as well

[dusk patrol]

But the point being, our dudes are sick af

[storm jungle]

I mean its an escalating situation

we are also taking tons of casulties

Morrow constantly asks for more recruits over the comms

[arctic talon]

objectively speaking we do need reinforcments lol

[crisp heath]

I mean this is all headcanon territory more than hard lore, but I read it as "21 voices are 21 agents, who are assigned to a specific valkyrie. When that valkyrie is called for duty, 4 of those 21 are selected and sent in, they are the ace team that eventually got picked to join the inquisition proper"

[spring cairn]

i don't think lore accurate engagements take place at auric damnation difficulty

[dusk patrol]

I’m curious how many of our dudes become acolytes or whatever technically and how many are just dead on their first mission

[crisp heath]

The other thousands of rejects are just bodies

[dusk patrol]

^

[spring cairn]

that would be ridiculous

[dusk patrol]

I always figure it’s not nearly as dense

[arctic talon]

yeah they don't

[bronze vigil]

Yeah but the enemies take more casualties and if I’m Nurgle I’d be pretty disappointed

[spring cairn]

auric diff is a sm threat lol

[arctic talon]

besides the lasguns would fucking slaughter us lol

[storm jungle]

Who cares

they got endless bodies

and poxwalkers

[arctic talon]

realistically speaking

like that shit is gona hurt

[dusk patrol]

Pfft

[storm jungle]

the amount of poxers you kill in comparison to enemy soldiers is also not that big.

[dusk patrol]

Pussy

[arctic talon]

I am not built different

[spring cairn]

i say malice density would feel doable

[arctic talon]

[dusk patrol]

lol

[storm jungle]

Either way though yeah

[dusk patrol]

Just tank the super heated laser Elite

[storm jungle]

this new map explicitly confirms we arent pushovers

[dusk patrol]

Smh

[bronze vigil]

Still the feat of holding off such a large group of enemies is amazing

[dusk patrol]

Yeah Wolf knows about us now

We’re established

[arctic talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/195404877688602624/1176950536373801050/image.png?ex=6570bb9a&is=655e469a&hm=ef97ac760bed2eb2554432673cd1f9d6b2f79c34240905470addcd584143a26a&=&format=webp

[dusk patrol]

Not clear how many of us in canon are this badass

[crisp heath]

In 40k, our performance is "acceptable" lmao. We got a powerboost when we typed in a name for our character.

[dusk patrol]

“It’s a flesh wound. Fortunately for me. I have her very little flesh.”

[crisp heath]

Like I said, I think it's just 21 "hypercompetent" rejects, to go with the voices

[storm jungle]

The reason for the Carnival's success is also the traitor comms are being jammed, we were inserted through a stealth-flight and also all the Moebians were drunk/drugged busy fucking around.

[bronze vigil]

Not acceptable it’s actually commendable, 4 vs thousands per mission is an awesome feat tbh

[storm jungle]

Its not thousands

[spring cairn]

i love when they say stealth regarding missions

[storm jungle]

its probably at least 100+

[spring cairn]

because what happens next is everything but stealth

[storm jungle]

I mean that's the joke, Morrow says so

Brahms too

"So much for being quiet."

[crisp heath]

Valhallan Stealth

[bronze vigil]

Each player I guess

[crisp heath]

No one can detect you if no one's alive

[spring cairn]

at this point i think i killed 5x the moebian sixth single handedly

[storm jungle]

All we got is the ingame dialogue/comms to go off of

so its more or less confirmed we are special at least so i dont really care.

[bronze vigil]

If we got those stealth cloaks the tanith guardsmen use maybe we can do some stealth

[crisp heath]

Imagine the field promotions they have for traitor captains

Amazed they're still putting those guys on trains

[spring cairn]

someone mod in real stealth

[storm jungle]

no

https://tenor.com/view/splinter-cell-ubisoft-sam-fisher-vexkin-tormod-gif-15108351

me when I fucking GET YOU

[bronze vigil]

I remember wolfer kneeling to a scab shotgunner iirc

[crisp heath]

I mean zealots have real stealth, they can just turn invisible for... reasons

[spring cairn]

shroodfield

[storm jungle]

Shroomfield

[celest dome]

That was just a normal Scab Captain model

[storm jungle]

🍄

[bronze vigil]

Still funny tbh

[spring cairn]

wolfer would kneel to them anyway

he needs them

[bronze vigil]

Wolfer seems the big baddie for now

[spring cairn]

cult stronger

[crisp heath]

Wolfer seems pretty good at hyping his guys up and making them feel respected

[spring cairn]

i think wolfer is just the surface

[crisp heath]

I mean the new cutscene is literally him being like "we invaded because we care about you"

[bronze vigil]

I guess everyone in Nurgle loves some humility (not you Death Guard)

[storm jungle]

Its like hes a military commander or something.

[celest dome]

I like Wolfer, but I'm really torn on the Karnak Twins, they're set up as the next killing targets, but they are named or something
Which would be strange for how missions work

[storm jungle]

I mean we'll see

we got one more map to go

[crisp heath]

I mean we could've just as easily gotten a bad guy who shoots his underlings for minor infractions every 10 seconds

[bronze vigil]

Yup id imagine a commander of the regiment would be the big baddie or some nurgle sorcerer/psyker

[crisp heath]

But yeah I guess we don't get leaders like that in 40k

[spring cairn]

big baddie is the actual traitors on the insde of tertium

who's forstering the cult

and recalled the 6th

[arctic talon]

inb4 the Karnak twins escape

always

so you have to keep on trying to kill them lol

[bronze vigil]

Finally we can have some real progression in the story than the typical repeatable missions

[spring cairn]

it's house idk

[celest dome]

But it mean that you can only do the mission once

[arctic talon]

you can repeat it gameplay wise

[spring cairn]

like the rivals of house baross are the bad guys

[celest dome]

The Magrave ?

[spring cairn]

yes

they gave the cult/6th acess to the uh

the archivum

[rocky gale]

Chaos gods can bring back the followers that they like, so maybe Papa Nurgle will have a soft spot for the Karnak twins and keeps bringing them back.

[arctic talon]

lol

[celest dome]

Yes but they dudn't do it for the current lord, and it would be strange to have 1 working on system A and other on system B

[arctic talon]

That would be pretty intresting

[rocky gale]

They're his special little boys

[crisp heath]

Turns out they're actually the Karnak Hectuplets and whenever we kill them we find out we need to hunt down their 98 siblings

[arctic talon]

hear me out

[bronze vigil]

Ofc what I meant is we finally have some progress because we know at least who’s really in charge and the real bosses in the game (at least maybe for now)

I wonder if the Karnak twins have some unique abilities… maybe ones a psyker?

[arctic talon]

The Karnak twins are a title and not an actual person

lol

(I'm joking)

[spring cairn]

i mean how many times have you killed skarsnik in vt2 ?

uh

uh

[celest dome]

Could be, or they are a possessed Duo and not 2 brothers

[arctic talon]

Oh

That would be fun

the twins refer to the daemons and not the hosts lol

[bronze vigil]

Yes but we know we killed him in the end and stop the skittergate, actual story

[crisp heath]

I expected a lot of things from the scabs, but not two whole ass knights ngl

[celest dome]

I think if I was FS or Abnett I would hate me

[spring cairn]

so why can't the twin be just things to kill

it's not story ending

it's on the way

[storm jungle]

I mean they are deffo just Chapter 1 Mooks

[bronze vigil]

For now we doing repeatable missions in lore that seems to be non-stop but we don’t get much story progression is what I meant, I mean ffs don’t you get it

[celest dome]

Cause it's a different game and the narrative doesn't work the same way

[spring cairn]

wolfer is a chapter 1 antagonist imo

we are at chapter 0.5

[storm jungle]

pretty much yeah

[bronze vigil]

Yep it’s clear given our acceptance to being an official agent of the Inquisition’ definitely the prologue

[celest dome]

I wouldn't expect Wolfer to be killed off

[spring cairn]

killed offscreen no

we'll kill him

[celest dome]

I don't think we'll get to kill him

[bronze vigil]

He’d have more character development and would likely end up being a very powerful champion of Nurgle

[crisp heath]

We capture and enslave wolfer to the inquisition, turning him into Dogger

[rocky gale]

We've still to find out who the dude from the Vox transmission video was.

[bronze vigil]

For now

[spring cairn]

he doesn't seem like the kinda of traitor who's hyper invested into the chaos gods tbh

[bronze vigil]

Some cultist sorcerer I guess

[spring cairn]

the entire 6th isn't imo

they contrast with the cult a lot

[bronze vigil]

Wonder where’s the other Moebian regiments

[rocky gale]

Still fighting the Darktide

[spring cairn]

we got the 21 on tertium rn

they're the blue guardsmen

you see them posted around at the start of missions

21st moebian

[bronze vigil]

Maybe they’ll introduce new enemy factions through corruption of those regiments, ie one fell to the tzeentch get rich scam

[celest dome]

Aren't those PDF regiments ?

[spring cairn]

nope

according to the description of the bundle we'll get

the 21st was doing a refuelling stop at Tertium when all the shit went down

[bronze vigil]

Moebian 8th: blood for the blood god

[spring cairn]

they got their blue color scheme because they famously fought some war on an ocean world

[bronze vigil]

Moebian 7th: do the thug shake UwU

[arctic talon]

21st are also good at ocean combat

Or whatever

It’s why they got blue

[bronze vigil]

Moebian 5th: I’m alpharius

[spring cairn]

in the last mission they added you can see 21 on the valkyrie that lands the soldiers

[bronze vigil]

Can’t wait for the bundle

Hopefully the Ogryn goggles do glow :3

[spring cairn]

they do

confirmed by fs

[storm jungle]

When was it coming out again

💀

[shadow plover]

end of the month iirc

[spring cairn]

30th

[bronze vigil]

Next week

[arctic talon]

now

but unironically 30th

[spring cairn]

so actually next week

[storm jungle]

damn

ah not too bad

[arctic talon]

idk why people thought 17th originally lol

that was weird

[shadow plover]

people can't read

[rocky gale]

If it's the 30th, it releases the same day the store refreshes

[bronze vigil]

I thought it’ll arrive with part 2 of the traitor’s curse tbh

Anyway I wonder what’s the traitor’s curse, is it the stimms?

[rocky gale]

We are the traitors curse

[bronze vigil]

Yeah depends on the wording I guess

[winged jacinth]

The traitor's curse is what the cultists are saying when you cut them in half

[bronze vigil]

The Traitor’s curse: “you’d be fighting us for years before you see another enemy faction in the game, if at all”

[shadow plover]

https://tenor.com/view/pharoah's-curse-pharoah-curse-gif-9768609729181577113

people need to start doing these but darktide and traitor's curse

[winged jacinth]

In that sense the traitor's curse is 100 ragers per mission

Literally falling out of the ceiling onto us

[celest dome]

I don't think we need a new faction right away, there are still roles and enemies that could appear in the current factions

[warm notch]

Is it just me or does Wolfer x Morrow give anyone toxic yaoi vibes

Wolfer talks about giving Morrow “a visit” so casually

🤔

[arctic talon]

Wolfer is going to mount morrow's head on a spike 💀

[warm notch]

That could be a euphemism

👀

[languid salmon]

what about poxbursters instead?

[crisp heath]

People really will ship anything

The only ship with in-game evidence is Traitor x Left Karnak Twin

[arctic talon]

lol fun new lore in the Pariah Nexus™️

Necrons are in civil war bcs Imotekh the Stormlord is angry at Szerakhan

and also Cawl is coming for a "relief" operation with his personal forces (he is going to grab as much blackstone as he can and then fuck off)

[winter vessel]

It’s like seeing parents argue in one room while you are trying to grab something to avoid confrontation.

[river sequoia]

Not surprising, the necron race as a whole has been consistently petty, strong headed and overconfident. Oh the old ones didn't cure us of our sun being crappy, they all must die now.

[arctic talon]

new scarab spotted

[dusk patrol]

When kitty cat scarab?

[arctic talon]

When GW stop being cowards

[shadow plover]

Finally, cool Necron shit

[arctic talon]

Cawl's said smash and grab operation

admech having a very bad time

[river sequoia]

Think Cawl is counting on his abilties to hack necron tech, and necron lords do not expect it

[arctic talon]

I think Cawl's goal is to grab as much blackstone as possible before running away

I highly doubt he has altruistic goals coming to help the shattered imperial forces

[storm jungle]

Yeah no the community article says as much

[celest dome]

When is it not

[arctic talon]

good question

[languid salmon]

when they get "volunteers" to make servitors

[arctic talon]

Point being I'm pretty sure GW is gona mark it as an "imperial victory" partially lol

[celest dome]

I have more hope for Admech in DT than I have for TT

[arctic talon]

Admech in TT

💀

That codex preview article lol

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Mostly since Cawl's condition for victory is A: Live, and B: get blackstone

[river sequoia]

I read that the ad mech flyers are absolutely stomping the meta atm

[arctic talon]

what

no

💀

they're like the 4th worst army in the game lol

thats a few editions out of date

[river sequoia]

or is that people just being salty at fliers

[celest dome]

You're better off not buying any Pteratrix

[arctic talon]

admech flyers have been terrible

forever

[arctic talon]

Pteraxii skystalkers are good

[celest dome]

They are cute though

[arctic talon]

great action monkies

don't expect them to kill much lol

[celest dome]

The Sterilizor (Flamer) I've felt were worthless

[arctic talon]

They are

pretty bad lol

[warm notch]

FR?

Also you're wrong

[celest dome]

And don't even need to talk about the new tall boy

[warm notch]

The only ship with in-game evidence is the Mourningstar

[celest dome]

Prologue ship ?

[warm notch]

Fuck you're right

[celest dome]

Ship you can see in the distance on one map ?

[arctic talon]

I like the tall boy

ngl

Especially since the legs can go up and down

so they aren't actually stilts perma locked at that height

[celest dome]

I feel like it's a bit of a wastedpotential

And also the matter that it really serve no purpose in any list I've previously had (Before I sold my Skits)

[arctic talon]

oof

my biggest complaint is

they aren't reverse jointed legs

[celest dome]

Last I spoke to my ex, she is now planing on buying a Knight

[echo vault]

Eldar helmets need to come with more weird optics and things like super hdddd sniper optic like the fuckin spykids shades

https://tenor.com/view/spy-kids-glasses-windy-gif-14888760

[storm jungle]

They kinda do

[echo vault]

Good, I know the corsairs and ranger units do

I just wan more

Even more, I'm getting greedy like the optic was grown off of the helmet kinda like the goggles the brokyr wear but eldar

Seeing old art like this makes me headcanon my Corsair prince as a phantom titan pilot

[storm jungle]

Yeah Phantom Titan pilots were literally just Punk Daivd Bowie

[storm jungle]

I THINK these were on the old 90's models

[echo vault]

Oh hell yeah

I just want eldar helmets with the visor line like what incursors have that could* flip up

*doesn't have to flip up

[storm jungle]

yeee

i dont think the updated D-Cannon crews have these

[crisp heath]

Hmm I like left more honestly

Visor slits always read as too robocop for me

[arctic talon]

Right looks too Imperial ngl

Too knight like

[celest dome]

@storm jungle FS never said anything about releasing on PS5 no ? Some people on reddit still think it will

[storm jungle]

I literally got no idea

PS5 sucks ass anyway so

[river sequoia]

PS5 got better hardware then the average gaming pc from 2022 (Level of sadness extreme)

*At least according to steam HW survey, and estimated performance of PS5.

[rose thorn]

I love the bulb helmets so much

Idk why people hate them they are silly and serious at the same time

[storm jungle]

Because they don't have taste

they are also literally modelled on greek/spartan helmets

[arctic talon]

They’re peak

[echo vault]

Maybe the visor could be over the entire face, maybe with an additional piece that can hook on covering the mouth portion like there's "pipes" coming from the bottom corners of the helmet that are meant to plug into the pilot further make each movement precise

Whatever psychic thing sounds cool at the moment I mean the dark eldar use a brain parasite and hook it onto people to turn into their only psychic unit the Medusae but they also eat it like it's a delicacy too

This guy

[rocky gale]

The Medusae are messed up, aside from being used as pshycic weapons, they're brought on raids because they absorb and feed on the emotions and feelings of the victims, then when they're brought back to Commorragh they'll produce "fruits" that when eaten will fill the eater with those emotions and sensations.

So the Drukhari basically use them to archive pain so they can enjoy it later

[echo vault]

So essentially the pain version of counting the rings of a tree log

Just edible too

[burnt maple]

Hm... Question.

do Astartes power armors have some sort of waste utilization?

[rocky gale]

As far as I remember their suits recycle their waste into food paste and water

and then automatically feeds that back into their body

[winged jacinth]

Im trying to remember if we ever hear about astartes waste management

[rocky gale]

I don't really read Space Marine books so I'm not sure, I've just heard that their suits recycle it and feed it back to them and they can survive for months on this alone

[winged jacinth]

Recycling poop into food paste sounds like something one writer needed so they put it in lol, but i can definitely see water purification being included

Human poop is pretty nutritionally poor as it is and i do remember astartes having augmented digestion

[tulip brook]

which makes it even worse for nutritional value

[winged jacinth]

Indeed

If i were a writer putting a food system in a space marine backpack i'd probably have some kind of like algae that lives off electricity either as light or heat

[vagrant fox]

I think it's often just stated that the waste is recycled, not much more than that

[tulip brook]

I guess they just don't wanna write about waste management for them. power armor look cool I don't need a justification for how it works

[winged jacinth]

So that's why they don't run out of ammo...

[tulip brook]

yeah, ammo and stormbolter on arms...

[vagrant fox]

I don't need to know what happens to the dook so that's fine

[winged jacinth]

"Sir we've discovered an ancient weapon STC... the data indicates it's called... Jarate?

Hey can space marines still spit acid

[tulip brook]

fists can't iirc

traitors are fine with it

[arctic talon]

They can unless they're from Dorns line

[burnt maple]

^ exactly.

[storm jungle]

Be glad I'm not posting the Poop Eating Excerpt

[desert dust]

Do it

[plush mason]

huh?

[arctic talon]

Ian Watson’s space marine

[storm jungle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/ngn5ht/can_someone_please_give_me_an_excerpt_for_ian/

[desert dust]

So nuggets of liquid amber is piss?

Them space marines must have some hellish kidney stones

Probably explains why they fall to nurgel

[rocky gale]

So they piss and bleed into a cup, drink it and then store the following excrement in a vault?

[lofty geyser]

Can Ogryns Eat Squigs?

[rocky gale]

Pretty sure everyone can eat Squigs

[arctic talon]

This is no longer canon but yeah

[remote blaze]

Yes, probably wont taste good.

[urban spire]

depends on how you feel about mushrooms i imagine

[burnt maple]

Bloody fuck, did not want to know that. Alas, I assume there is some recycling system. Just unspecified.

Fair?

[umbral nymph]

Ogryns will eat just about anything meaty

[echo vault]

momstartes found the excrement vault

[outer wave]

Im of the belief Ogryns can eat just about anything so they probably wouldnt mind the likely gross taste of squig

[pulsar island]

Squig tastes like mushroom

[lofty geyser]

Squig sautéed in butter with garlic would slap

[umbral nymph]

rejects going on a fieldtrip around the ship

[warm notch]

“It was Lady Alice’s fault!”

When in doubt blame Alice

[crisp heath]

Fuck me, I'm playing 40k modded rimworld and a clawed fiend somehow ate go-juice (rimworld combat stimulants) and proceeded to kick down my front door and eat all my colonists

Is this what catachans deal with daily

[arctic talon]

yes

[warm notch]

yes

[plush mason]

oh right. i must have blocked that stuff out

[storm jungle]

[plush mason]

and i just remembered the trampstamp

why did i do this to myself

[urban spire]

it'd be cool to have a map onboard the ship

[lofty geyser]

Squigtide

[bronze vigil]

They’re just trying to find Grendyl

[nocturne crest]

The imperium should use Catachan coconuts instead of bombs on infantry.

Then again, using plants and animals from Catachan might be a real bad idea.

[dense salmon]

The WHAAAAAT

[storm jungle]

READ IT.

[dense salmon]

what book is this??

i knew about the goofy acid spit organ but what's this about eating poop

i assume because space marines can eat virtually anything?

[wet sandal]

Space marines after enjoying a nice hearty meal of cinder blocks and literal excrement (it's ok they technically don't need food anyway)

[dense salmon]

brother chaplain found the poop drawer

[storm jungle]

Ian Watson's Space Marine™️ 1993

[dense salmon]

1993

this shit is older than i am

no wonder i've never read it

oh i see you linked the excerpt

[storm jungle]

one of THE first 40k books btw

[plush mason]

Ian had. um lets just say colorful tastes and they ended up influencing his books

[storm jungle]

Fetish Moment

[plush mason]

yeah

[green loom]

I can't believe this is what space marine 2 is based on

[plush mason]

LMAO

[plush mason]

Focus Home is involved

they dont have a good track record with 40k

not the worst

but not that good ether

[green loom]

I think you misunderstood

[tough haven]

Have tau ever fought necrons on much scale?

I think it would be funny to have the youngest and oldest races fight

[green loom]

Oh so the necron civil war is just in full swing now I guess

[winged jacinth]

I don't think the necron and tau have made contact no

The tau control relatively few worlds in a pretty tiny patch of space (well 2 patches now)

[vale fjord]

so like, are pysker ogryns real

[winged jacinth]

Yeah

[vale fjord]

dear god

[winged jacinth]

Drug ones on necromunda forever, and since psychic awakening regular ones

[tough haven]

Only one is confirmed,

They were very intelligent too

As smart, or possibly smarter than a baseline human

With psychic power comparable to a space wolf rune priest

Also they were female too

The full package

[tough haven]

Yup

But also the awakening, and the silent king is trying to stop all of his petty subjects from killing each other

To get them to work together

[dense salmon]

finished an auric hi intensity damnation just to get this dogwater

thanks big e

[jade holly]

Is there a difference between Imperial Truth and Imperial Creed?

Are they different philosophies of people within the Imperium?

[arctic talon]

Imperial truth is atheism

[green loom]

The imperial truth was the belief of the GC imperium

[arctic talon]

^

No one practices it now

Because it’s objectively untrue

[green loom]

No gods science good etc.

[arctic talon]

Gods exist

So do daemons

[green loom]

The Imperial Creed is I think one name for the Imperium's faith

[winged jacinth]

The imperial creed is the collected works of the imperial faith as i understand it, and the faith is the Imperial Cult

So like all their holy books, catechisms and collected sermons and stuff

Ah wait no

The creed is their 10 commandments

"Suffer not the witch to live" and friends

[molten swan]

imperial truth is what Big E was talking about, Imperial Creed is like the tenets of the imperial cult

[jade holly]

Man

You’d think they’d make it easier to follow

[green loom]

The faith is easy to follow

The prayers get drilled into you and mass is mandatory under threat of death

[dense salmon]

there was merit to the imperial truth, though

if the goal was to starve the chaos gods

whether or not that would have worked is beyond me

[crisp heath]

So I'm going to say something as an autistic person

Imperial Truth didn't work because the Emperor is autistic

Genuinely incapable of interacting with the average person on their terms

he could not grasp why people behaved the way they did, and just decided to stamp out anything that didn't make sense to him

My man needed serious therapy and conscious development of people skills

[plush mason]

facts

[dense salmon]

he views all of humanity as a single body. if some cells don't like the way the body runs, or if those cells become malignant, it is immaterial to him

he's compassionate but extremely pragmatic about humanity

i think the other perpetuals abandoning him heavily influenced how the great crusade and his view on humanity would turn out

[molten swan]

I think he wanted humanity to not have a need for religious figures, they're just a coping mechanism and the Imperium had much more real things to worry about, especially when heretics starting popping up, etc, but after a while(in 40k), I think the Emperor accepted his status as a God

[dense salmon]

if he is even lucid enough in the warp to recognize his status

[plush mason]

i doubt it

[molten swan]

he's fully alive rn on the throne

[plush mason]

dude's mind is in a million different pieces

[dense salmon]

alive, yes

lucid, no

his consciousness is scattered throughout the warp like grains of sand on a beach

though he can pull his mind back together through great strain

[molten swan]

Ehh

He's alright generally, don't forget he literally talks to Gulliman as soon as he returns, it's just he was literally depressed and apathetic towards humanity and even the Primarchs for what they were becoming until recently, basically in a depressed slumber just going through the motions, fighting chaos and whatnot in the warp

he did have issues understanding humanity though, much like astartes or custodes, since they're just a bit something more, its likely 10x worse for Big E

[plush mason]

ummm. said "talk" was just big e bombarding Gulliman with like 13 words spoken all at once and with 13 different voices

[dense salmon]

emperor is tens of thousands of years old

[molten swan]

It was him calling gulliman and the primarchs weapons and tools

[dense salmon]

to him a human lifespan is a blink of an eye

so it makes sense why he's pretty apathetic towards an individual person

not to mention the whole perpetuals abandoning him thing probably made him a lot more jaded

[plush mason]

yeah i think the word tool and theif was used

[molten swan]

perpetuals abandoning him?

[safe vigil]

theres a great section of the infinite and divine

where trazyns human manservant ages 60 years between sentences

[dense salmon]

before he made the primarchs he wanted his circle of perpetuals to fight with him in the GC

[molten swan]

robot buffering

[dense salmon]

trazyn zoned out for 60 years

[molten swan]

who's his circle of perpetuals exactly?

[crisp heath]

Don't laugh react at this it's the saddest thing ever

[molten swan]

ollanius pious and all them?

[safe vigil]

IKR

[plush mason]

Erda was one

[crisp heath]

Trazyn felt like shit for missing this man's whole life when he was right in front of him

[safe vigil]

Still blams him tho

[dense salmon]

erda, ollanius pious, etc

[safe vigil]

because grimdark

[dense salmon]

those are the only two names we know i think

but there were more

[safe vigil]

this one bastard couldn't get a happy ending

[crisp heath]

How much do we know about Erda? Was she like, special in any way? Any particular reason the Emp picked her? Eugenics?

[dense salmon]

she was a powerful psyker too

[plush mason]

Malcador too maybe but im not 100% sure on that

[crisp heath]

She was a psyker in the same realm as him and Malc

[dense salmon]

maybe not the SAME REALM but she was pretty nutty

[crisp heath]

Ah OK. I wasn't sure. So she was like, up there in power levels?

[dense salmon]

and if you think the emperor had a superiority complex

erda literally called her and the other perpetuals fucking "homo superioris" or something

[crisp heath]

Yeah she was definitely alpha if not alpha plus. She was busted.

[warm notch]

So they're gay?

[molten swan]

I dont think erda wanted to help after she scattered the primarchs, but ollanius pious was banished from life, the others generally were killed or hiding, there was that whole Athames plot too, the perpetual killing cabal, and malcador dusted (rip my boy)

[plush mason]

LOL

[crisp heath]

Tbf.... they kinda were...? From a genetics level...

She's not far off from saying it's an evolutionary leap

[molten swan]

homo as in human lol

[plush mason]

also thats literally the scientific name for the Perpetuals afaik

[dense salmon]

she was the one to come up with it though

[molten swan]

Like ogryn are Homo sapiens gigantus

[crisp heath]

But to be fair the emperor was the greatest geneticist to ever live or something like that... he'd know if it was actually an evolutionary leap

[plush mason]

modern humans are literally homo sapiens sapiens because we are little just better than the original homo sapiens lol. humility is not one of our strong suits

[crisp heath]

This is very true lol...

[dense salmon]

so nice, you say it twice

[plush mason]

yup

[dense salmon]

but to be fair

we use that to distinguish us from neanderthals

who coexisted with us at some point and interbred with us

[crisp heath]

Literally, it was the mixing of Neanderthal and other subspecies that made us sapiens sapiens

[dense salmon]

feels weird saying "us" in this context but i'm not a neanderthal

[crisp heath]

Depending on where your bloods from, you might be in part

[dense salmon]

there was sapien sapien and sapien neanderhalensis

nah i got a DNA test

no neanderthal