40k-lore-chat

[crisp heath]

Just a thought expirement

[queen laurel]

This is the imperium experiments rarely end well with these guys

[crisp heath]

Lolol facts

Good thing the Warps not made me into a psycher yet then!

[dense salmon]

Ork bodies can also function on impulses even if their brain is destroyed

So it is unsafe to tamper with a deceased ork, they might just throw a punch or fire whatever weapon they were holding on expiration

[queen laurel]

huh the more you know, but yes attempting any experimentations with orks ends not very well

[tulip brook]

uh there's also this little thing that called heresy

[rocky gale]

Are Orks edible?

[dense salmon]

I wouldn't try it

[queen laurel]

the squigs yes, the actual orks no

[dense salmon]

The orks themselves are edible

[rocky gale]

Like in a contained environment with no spore leakage, an Ork farm could possibly be a good source of food

[dense salmon]

But iirc eating them is heresy

[queen laurel]

That is not a bad idea but considering how tough ork biology is in the first place

Good luck trying to catch them and keeping them contained

and yes it's heresy

[dense salmon]

Orks would be difficult to farm as they become more cogent, more bold, and stronger as their numbers increase

[winged jacinth]

wouldnt you already need to farm a ton of squigs to feed the orks

[dense salmon]

You would have to pen them up individually as even a small group would resort to fighting eachother if they couldn't find anything else to fight

[dense salmon]

Orks dont actually need to eat

[winged jacinth]

oh

sure why not

[dense salmon]

They can sustain themselves through photosynthesis

[winged jacinth]

photosynthetic humanoids has always been a funny scifi trope

[dense salmon]

Orks also aren't stupid

They're by no means great thinkers and can be outsmarted easily by humans

[winged jacinth]

like plants need leaves to have enough surface area to survive and they dont even move very much

[dense salmon]

But they're actually very cunning

[crisp heath]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-heresy-that-is-heresy-thats-hairesy-dr-squatch-thats-heresy-dr-squatch-heresy-gif-17639789

Lol there's always one in every chat

[dense salmon]

Having even one ork on a planet also risks an ork outbreak

It's why planets like catachan, Armageddon, and Valhalla keep having orc incursions

[rocky gale]

Poor product management

[queen laurel]

That classic goblin Slayer quote

"they are not the brightest but they are not stupid"

[winged jacinth]

the biologis groups of mars need to engineer a predatory fungus that eats the ork fungus

[rocky gale]

I tell you there's profit to be made off Orkoid steaks

[dense salmon]

I think there is some mention of this somewhere

[queen laurel]

good luck because those spores have fought tyranid spores

[celest dome]

That's how you end up with a Flood type of situation

[queen laurel]

So you need to bio engineer something absolutely horrendous

[dense salmon]

The part that sucks about orks is even directing them towards other enemies rarely ends well

Even if they kill all the other xenos... you still have a blooded waaagh! to deal with

And odds are their numbers even grew

[winged jacinth]

orks are very similar to the tyranids in a lot of ways just on a much much longer timescale per planet

[queen laurel]

Good luck because next thing you know the other feral orks that escaped gathered the garbage you guys have been throwing away and turned it into a steam gargant

[winged jacinth]

you'd have to farm them on an airless moon probably

[rocky gale]

See all these criticisms are reliant on shoddy oversight of the Ork farm

[dense salmon]

It would be a logistical nightmare

[rocky gale]

"But groups of Orks" kill them instantly

[queen laurel]

then you may as well burn the entire farm

[winged jacinth]

not to mention the troubles it would pose for the imperial food and drug administratum

the inspections...

[rocky gale]

There's no reason to keep them alive after they emerge, you don't need them to mature or reproduce, instant dead and harvest

[dense salmon]

Why bother when you could just farm grox though

An ork farm would benefit the ordo xenos for scientific purposes, and the magos biologis

But I dont think it's logistically sound for food

[winged jacinth]

im rereading some of the ork lore and i dont think the authors knew what symbiosis was

[queen laurel]

the risk of literally just keeping them contained in the first place is already a hassle

[dense salmon]

I would trust the mechanicum to do it

They'd irradiate the surrounding area so heavily it probably would microwave whatever spores escaped

But even they fuck it up sometimes

[queen laurel]

yeah and orks have been seen living in extremely radioactive areas

[dense salmon]

In one of the cain novels the mechanicum accidentally released a horde of genestealers and nids

[winged jacinth]

the mechanicus already have perfect ork farms for their needs

any world orks have ever been on

[dense salmon]

An orbital bombardment every few years and groundside extermination to quell their numbers

And you'd have a decent ork farm

You'd have to commit the resources to doing that though which the munitorum likely would not approve of

Hammer and bolter might not be the best example but there was an episode where once the munitorum determined a planet had a low enough ork population, they considered the war won and abandoned the planet and whoever was left behind

[winged jacinth]

that seems like an outright bad idea?

[green loom]

Was that the one with the admech

[winged jacinth]

either you mantain a population that can keep the orks down or you do an appropriate exterminatus, otherwise you just have an ork world in 100 years

[dense salmon]

Yeah

I personally hated the episode

Mostly for the tech priest needing to KILL that veteran for his prosthetic arm

[arctic talon]

Kastelan robot didn’t like it either lul

[dense salmon]

It was cool seeing an animated kastelan

[arctic talon]

But speaking from a tactical standpoint it was the better choice

Even if it’s horrific from a moral one

[dense salmon]

I dont think the guy needed to die

[arctic talon]

Tbh what else is he gona do missing an arm and wounded

[dense salmon]

Even a one-armed veteran guardsman as backup is better than nothing

[arctic talon]

Killing him on the spot is arguably a mercy

[dense salmon]

He was well enough to bury his squad

[crisp heath]

Question: If you could custom build your own supersoldier using all the tech and bioengineering in 40k, how would you like to go about it? Anything from the Custodes, Astartes, and Primaris, mechanical enhancements from the Mechanicus, Assasinorum enhancements. How would you make the best of the best? As detailed as you'd like.

[arctic talon]

Is budget a concern

[crisp heath]

Nope

[dense salmon]

If we can go full stop?

[crisp heath]

But it all has to fit

[dense salmon]

I'm cloning a primarch

[crisp heath]

Yep

[arctic talon]

Primarch without the horrific ego issues

Actually

Krork would be a good idea

[queen laurel]

the inquisition has told me to not answer for the safety of the universe

[arctic talon]

Or eldar

[crisp heath]

Lol just a primarch? Nothing else? Cause I mean aren't they just astartes with extra emperor juice?

[arctic talon]

Assuming the eldar were genetically modified

[queen laurel]

Good idea

which part of that is a good idea

[arctic talon]

I mean they’re far stronger then most things in the setting

[crisp heath]

True, but I'm saying go full stop.

[arctic talon]

I can commit mass murder and wipe out humanity

[crisp heath]

Be creative lol

[dense salmon]

I'd probably clone a primarch, take their frontal lobe out

Give them custom terminator armor

Probably magnus tbh

[queen laurel]

Actually that's facts

[dense salmon]

Magnus, corvus, or sangy

[winged jacinth]

the primarchs were cooked from scratch afaik but i cant remember descriptions of their physiology

i bet bile would know

[dense salmon]

They have almost alien biology even compared to astartes

They're like their own species

[arctic talon]

Bile has cloned at least 3 primarchs perfectly

And I’m not nearly as smart as bile

💀

[crisp heath]

Lol I'm slightly disappointed, but at the same time I guess I should have expected this. Btw, haven't they tried cloning primarchs before and they didn't come out as powerful?

[dense salmon]

Due to shenanigans with the warp gods that make up primarch souls

[crisp heath]

Like I remember a story like that....

[arctic talon]

People who aren’t bile yeah

And even sometimes bile

[dense salmon]

Thr horus clone was weak because horus' soul is OBLITERATED

[tulip brook]

bile gave away his perfect clone

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[winged jacinth]

bile cant avoid warp taint because hes warp tainted

[arctic talon]

The Ferrus clones were perfect

Before you know

[tulip brook]

most likely because gw doesn't want 2 fulgrims running around

[arctic talon]

They got their heads cut off

[arctic talon]

Also because the writer intended him to get fridged

[crisp heath]

Fair wnough, I forget about Ferrus's

[arctic talon]

To show biles like

Evolution as a person

[winged jacinth]

but yeah in terms of things that CAN be manufactured, primarchs are basically the most powerful things in existence

[arctic talon]

We don’t have a proper indication on average krork power level

So I’d say it’s easiest to take a primarch

And shove them full of stuff

[crisp heath]

But anyway, I'm talking above and beyond a primarch. Super-size. If Primarchs are like, peak power supersoldier in the setting, how would you make them better then? Outside their personalities lol.... we all know that's their greatest flaws.

What are some insetting enhancements that could Supe the supersoldier

[arctic talon]

Smaller ego, shove a command uplink like Perturabo has into their brain

Oh also make them have better morals

On average

[crisp heath]

Outside. Their. Personality.

[winged jacinth]

make them all psykers like magnus but not jobbers

[crisp heath]

Actual enhancements...

[tulip brook]

isn't it like putting all your eggs into one basket? I rather make 20 primarchs rather than one super primarch

[winged jacinth]

the question kinda sucks because their only real weaknesses are their personalities

[dense salmon]

If I could make a primarch even better

[crisp heath]

@tulip brook sure but it's a thought experiment dammit lol

[arctic talon]

Realistically speaking we haven’t see anything to improve them

[dense salmon]

And an army of them?

[winged jacinth]

i guess make them more strongerer and more smarterer but with armor skin

[arctic talon]

Like you’re saying an army of them

[dense salmon]

I would either do some serious brainwashing or just lobotomize them

[arctic talon]

This question is kind of moot when budget and time isn’t a concern

Imo

[dense salmon]

They'd be less effective but easier to control

[tulip brook]

chaos is already doing it, giving them wings and supersizing them whatnot

[dense salmon]

I'd equip them all with custom made terminator armor

[tulip brook]

it's implied they aren't necessarily more powerful

[winged jacinth]

wait no i'd just make all the primarchs perpetuals like vulkan ez

[dense salmon]

Magnus may even be weaker

[arctic talon]

Lol

[arctic talon]

No risk of blowing up ever tbf

[dense salmon]

I meant uh

As a daemon

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[crisp heath]

@arctic talon was more thinking of all the tech and stuff the mechanicus and assassinorum use, and how that could be applied in addition to the primarch bioengineering

[dense salmon]

Magnus may be weaker than he was as a primarch

[arctic talon]

He won’t blow up from using his powers

Ever

No chance of backfire

Relatively speaking

[dense salmon]

I think if magnus was given enough time

His potential would have rivaled big E

Hes more sustainable but not as powerful

Reminds me of darth vader

[arctic talon]

Again pretty much anything from that camp is inferior to primarch bioengineering, a command uplink would be nice, maybe shove an eversor nuke in.

But I don’t think you can do much more then that

Polymorphine is equipment

And the augmentations assassins get are very good

But again primarch

[crisp heath]

All the physical and mechanical enhancements the mechanicus and assassinorum use that the primarchs and astartes don't, like... idk. Just where my mind went. Imagining a full mechanicus primarch seems terrifying to me lol

[dense salmon]

We have no way of knowing how those stims would interact with the primarch biology is the headscratcher

Primarchs are nearly as alien to a human as an eldsr is

[rocky gale]

Simple, Primaris the Sororitas,

Bigger Stronger Nuns

[arctic talon]

Lol

[crisp heath]

Lol this is the real correct answer

[tulip brook]

not to mention, some primarchs used a lot of augmentation. horus, perturabo, angron have some gnarly cables all around

[crisp heath]

Right, but they ain't like full Doc Oct like the mechanicus bros be

[dense salmon]

The angron thing definitely made him weaker

The butcher's nails crippled angron

He had the power to heal before the nails

[crisp heath]

I don't think the nails were necessarily an enhancement though...

They were a punishment if I'm not mistaken?

[dense salmon]

It was standard on angron's homeworld to equip gladiators with them

This ordinarily doesn't actually affect the recipient in a devastating way

Not changing their personality

[rocky gale]

I thought he was given them because he refused to fight

[crisp heath]

This^

[dense salmon]

But because angron was a primarch and his biology was so different

[crisp heath]

Nah, they always made you rage

[dense salmon]

Parts of his brain had to be removed

[crisp heath]

It's why he gave it to all his sons

[dense salmon]

They increase your violent impulses and adrenaline/endorphines

But they don't make you a bloodthirsty killer

[crisp heath]

No. It literally did

[dense salmon]

The world eater were still cogent

[crisp heath]

It made you addicted to combat

I know that much

[dense salmon]

That's different than being a mindless rager

They were still themselves

Just more prone to violence

[crisp heath]

Not by much. They literally almost always devolved into that

[dense salmon]

Angron is a special case

Parts of his brain had to be removed to make the nails fit

And they were scrambling his brain for the rest of his life

He actually would have died from total brain scrambling had he not become a daemon

[tulip brook]

it is ultimately make them mindless ragers. numbing all other emotions and causing pain

[crisp heath]

They were always pumping with rage, and the only respite was when they were in combat. After a while. That wore on their minds and drove them into mad, raging lunatics

And angron was not a special case

[dense salmon]

A lot of this is the influence of khorne

Not just the nails

[crisp heath]

Anyone earlier shown to have them put in suffers the same thing

No, it was even before khorne

[radiant lance]

this is your brain
This is your brain on drugs

[dense salmon]

All of angron's gladiator family had the nails and were completely normal when not fighting

[tulip brook]

angron is special case because it was killing him iirc, not because nails were functioning differently

[crisp heath]

Bro... no. Not all. Just the ones that refused to fight and were forced

[crisp heath]

This maybe, but not in their function. Their function was the same no matter who it was put in

[tulip brook]

also angron we know was mostly a massive dick all around after nuceria, how much of that is nails idk

[coarse pumice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrC76yi_3wY

[dense salmon]

"It was a matter of course that the slave masters used biochemical and cyber-surgical enhancements as well as relentless and brutal training to "improve" their fighting stock. Angron was no exception, although his transhuman primarch physiology resisted much of what the slavemasters attempted.

But in one thing they were successful, for they were able to replace much of his brainstem with psycho-surgical augmetic devices intended to augment his aggression to inhuman levels and turn him into a superhuman beast, a killer the likes of which had never existed before."

Angron became so distinctly singular in his bloodlust due to having portions of his brain removed

He is unique in this compared to other recipients

[dense salmon]

I wont argue that the nails didn't make the others bloodthirsty because it did

[crisp heath]

All that literally says is that they were able to take out his brain stem and replace it with the Nails. Thats it. Then it says how because he's a damn primarch fueled on rage, he's a killing machine.

[rocky gale]

The Nails weren't commonly used

[dense salmon]

I'm attempting to explain to you that angron's reaction to the nails was not normal

Because he was lobotomized in order to even be equipped with them

And it was killing him

[crisp heath]

But nothing there says that that reaction was abnormal. And even then, the only abnormal thing I'm willing to concede is that it was killing him

Otherwise it did the same function in him it did everyone else

[rocky gale]

"Ravaging killers, barely controlled between each gladatorial bout"

[dense salmon]

I see where my confusion is coming from

The nails the world eaters used werent the same nails from angron's homeworld

And affected them differently

[rocky gale]

I'm pretty sure the difference for him was that because he was a Primarch the Nails fused in such a way that they couldn't be removed

[arctic talon]

One of the 3 big jobbers of the setting 💀

Or 4 I guess

[dense salmon]

The nails were actively becoming his brain

[crisp heath]

I think the number is 6 now?

With the Big E and the Tau lol

[dense salmon]

So after looking into it some more I found that the world eater nails were reverse engineered from angron's

[rocky gale]

Yea, it was fusing with his brain and replacing parts of it, rewriting others so they couldn't be removed. While for others they could potentially be removed.

[dense salmon]

And didn't affect them in the same way the gladiators were

Which is where I was confused

[tulip brook]

tau winning most of the time they are mentioned, big e just lost bigtime

[crisp heath]

@dense salmon I think I shared a bit of that confusion

[tulip brook]

do we count swarmlord?

[crisp heath]

🤷‍♂️ probably

[dense salmon]

Yeah because although the world eaters definitely changed after the nails

They didn't become mindless barbarians

They could still derive pleasure from things that weren't violence

Angron could ONLY feel relief from indulging in brutality

[crisp heath]

I'm looking it up now myself and yea, I was slightly wrong on that. However, they weren't normal either. It did heighten their aggression levels, just not so much it was uncontrollable. And when Angron finally got to the point he put it in his sons, he purposefully put the kind he had instead of the old kind in a sadistic form of torture almost.

At least from what on reading on google

[dense salmon]

Iirc the world eaters put it to a vote

[crisp heath]

A "vote"

From what I can tell it was about as democratic as Russian elections

[tulip brook]

russians don't kill anyone voting for no

yet

[crisp heath]

@tulip brook they do if you run against the wrong person lol

[arctic talon]

💀

[crisp heath]

Even if it ain’t the government the mob’ll come knocking

Anyways back to Lore apparently some funny named inquisitor fought a greater demon of khorne and won but custodes can’t what’s up with that

[queen laurel]

Writers

[crisp heath]

Hate those guys

[queen laurel]

That's it

[arctic talon]

Named character

Also he was a forgeworld pet character

And not one of the good ones

[celest dome]

Name/plot armour

[arctic talon]

Hector Rex

💀

I like to pretend he doesn’t exist

[celest dome]

And Custodes can kill Greater Daemon, but it's not like they can't fail at killing them

[crisp heath]

I swear I heard something like 10 daemons killed 1000 custodes

[arctic talon]

It was the 8 greatest blood thirsters of khorne and an army of daemons

[crisp heath]

Ahh

[arctic talon]

That killed a bit over 1000 custodes and o prolly trillions of people

[green loom]

They scoured Lion's Gate

[arctic talon]

But yeah they showed up on terra and were having a great time slaughtering everyone

[tulip brook]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Torquemada_Coteaz

[celest dome]

Saying that "X killed Y, so how happen that Z"
Is kinda worthless

[arctic talon]

Also that

[tulip brook]

some inquisitors are just built different

[dense salmon]

Hector REX

KING HECTOR

[celest dome]

"A veteran of the Normandy landings tells you his true story. He surged up the beach and bullets whistled past him on every side, cutting down his friends. Was he wearing plot armour?

The survivor of a very dangerous situation in which many others died is often a survivor because of luck - they may have needed some skill and sense to purchase the lottery ticket but many with skill and sense fell in the same test. But it's the survivor who lives to tell the story, and so what may seem like a ridiculously unlikely tale where a mysterious 'hand of god' protected them is not only true but statistically inevitable." —Mark Lawrence

[arctic talon]

Yep

Very subtle

[dense salmon]

GW and subtlety mix like water and oil

[celest dome]

Circunstance is often time more important than skills and strength

[celest dome]

I think Warhammer was never meant to be subtle

[winged jacinth]

also the average named inquisitor is like

oh cool scrollup

but yeah the average named inquisitor is like an alpha psyker with an inexhaustible supply of holy relics

[dense salmon]

CORVUS CORAX leader of the RAVEN GUARD

[tulip brook]

slightly better than iron hand, the primarch of iron hands

the guy had a pair of iron (necrodermis, don't @ me) hands

[crisp heath]

@dense salmon then he becomes a giant raven demon lol

In Warhammer 40k, there is no subtlety. Any foreshadowing seems to tell you exactly what to expect lol

[remote blaze]

Fancy chair that guy

[arctic talon]

Coteaz doesn't have the fancy chair

thats the other guy

Karamazov or something

[remote blaze]

Coteaz has a throne as well, just doesn't walk and shoot stuff

[arctic talon]

does he?

my bad

[remote blaze]

Not at all, Karamazov has the better chair

@arctic talon https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer/s/Bz9owtKppK

Good rule of thumb in 40k: The bigger and shinier the chair, the higher the power level.

[green loom]

Isn't that a fan film

[remote blaze]

Yep, chair is still a thing though. Inquisitor Lord stuff

[arctic talon]

its based on stuff from Imperial armor iirc

or at least one of the earlier appearances of coteaz

since it has the red armor

[remote blaze]

His figure rocks gold power armor, but red is more fitting imo.

With the events of the Arks the Inquisition is getting in the fight so he'll get an update next year.

[green loom]

I hope they make agents a full army with a codex

[arctic talon]

Maybe

Inquisition is so close to be playable as a full army

its not even funny

[dense salmon]

@green loom @crisp heath @storm jungle I'll be ready soon, currently occupied (latrine business)

If you are all still down 🙂

[storm jungle]

Well I'm busy with AutoCad stuff so 💀

[crisp heath]

Definitely!!!

No rush@storm jungle I'm down to play most the night so just if/when you have time

[dense salmon]

School stuff?

[storm jungle]

Well university/masters but yeah close enough

[dense salmon]

Nice, I'm actually thinking about going for a masters

I got my degree and am so sick of school

[remote blaze]

University is temporary. Chaos is eternal.

[arctic talon]

He's overdue for a mini update for sure. He's an important part of Arks of Omen Abbadon lol

[remote blaze]

The conclusion of the Arks has him mobilizing the entire Inquisition. They're getting full armies apparently.

Though with other events this is starting to smell like the prelude of internal strife

[crisp heath]

So.... wouldn't that one blood angel be the most powerful then? The old as fuck one that wants to die? Doesn't he have like, this massive throne lol?

[crisp heath]

Oof was catching up on some stuff I miss. Was referencing this above

[remote blaze]

You're thinking of Dante, different guy. He also had a nice chair until the tyranids broke it.

[arctic talon]

It was very tasty

[polar idol]

Hi lore bros, is how the missions or location named random or generated based on certain factors - like hl-70

[arctic talon]

They’re based on the location, each of the locations have a set name

[polar idol]

I see so people in mourning star refers to carnival by HL-70

Is there a formula they use to determine the number or the alphabets to a location?

[wet sandal]

What? No, that's just the name

The devs came up with it

[polar idol]

Oic

[arctic talon]

Yeah it’s just made up per zone

[polar idol]

I see I thought it was actually a legitimate zone in the lore. I've got no lore knowledge 🤣

[crisp heath]

Yea that guy!!!

[winged jacinth]

HL might mean hab level i think?

[dense salmon]

probably

[crisp heath]

@polar idol so yes and no. It's a catagorization system, just like say a library separates books. Each set of digits would seemingly correspond to different criteria separating areas. Like for instance, HL-70-2670-40 for instance would be Habitation Level, or Hablevel-in district 70 - population 2670 - block 40

[winged jacinth]

HL-70 is basically just a neighborhood though

[crisp heath]

Or something along those lines

[winged jacinth]

A big one for sure though

[dense salmon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu8HgTnwKAM&ab_channel=GamesYearly

meme aside i'd love a deeper dive into moebian 6th comms

[winged jacinth]

Tertium is so big that there's definitely at least 70 hab levels

[dense salmon]

probably 700,000

tertium is the size of a continent

[winged jacinth]

Yeah but the levels are probably similarly scaled

[dense salmon]

beautiful seeing this game go from mostly negative to very positive

[winged jacinth]

I like to think of tertium being layed out like my dwarf fortress fortresses

[green loom]

Quite so

[winged jacinth]

You live in a layer with a huge population and everyone works directly below where they live

Oh hm why is the hourglass 32

[crisp heath]

So the way it looks like it works is you separate the Hive into Hab levels. We seem to move through 16 to 70 as of now. Those are then broken up to blocks, which are likely much larger than city blocks, and then smaller groupings within that

[winged jacinth]

That's frustrating

I guess i've never looked at how much hive was above us

[crisp heath]

We almost never see sky. Maybe in two missions through small cracks in the ceiling, but it's super rare

[winged jacinth]

Hourglass is inside the superstructure and shield but otherwise outside

[crisp heath]

The vast majority of hive dwellers will live and die and never have moved more than three or four levels

[crisp heath]

That's about the only one I could think of

[winged jacinth]

Because tertium's volume is so huge for its surface area i bet most of the exterior is freight ports like hourglass

Not even throneside nobles are fancy enough for windows

[polar idol]

Oh shit so we are actually going down wards on the train loading screen?

Having a hard time visualising , I always thought we warped to our location via ships

[winged jacinth]

Train loading screen?

[polar idol]

You know before you play the mission , you characters kinda just sit in some train

[winged jacinth]

The loading screen is the back of masozi's valkyrie, the storm raptor or something

[polar idol]

Or is that not a train

[winged jacinth]

Its a dropship

[polar idol]

Oh shit 🤦‍♂️

[crisp heath]

That, and you wouldn't want integral or important structures near the exterior. I believe it works almost in an outward spiral, where the "throne" or like, governmental power is at the center, likely Hl-1, and importance then spirals from there. But also, if you look at normal cities, things tend to end up jumbled, with government buildings next to factories and warehouses, and neighborhoods spliced everywhere. I believe it works similarly. It's chaotic and natural and just the way humans end up humaning.

[remote blaze]

A Valkyrie gunship modified for void travel

[winged jacinth]

HL1 and a few below it are probably the tip of the spire

And probably include tons of important stuff anyway but nothing dirty like foundries or generators

Imperial nobles love being fancy and high up

[crisp heath]

And yes, we are traveling through the wards Masory or whatever her name is flies us in a dropship. It says as much in the carnival mission when we do a stealth drop

We never ride the train

[winged jacinth]

Are regular valks not void capable?

I guess they wouldn't be they're awful small

[crisp heath]

It's literally how we assassinate one of the enemy actually, by redirecting the train to us. Be pretty stupid if we let em do it right back

[storm jungle]

They are in limited capacity.

they cant do full void-travel but anything orbit and such is good

[polar idol]

Just realized atoma prime has 90 b. population god damn, is there any reason why the population is so high in lore?

[patent ivy]

Bruh Yarrick is dead?

[storm jungle]

Nah.

Its just an exaggerated "death" report.

lemme get the full thing

[patent ivy]

Oh okay

[storm jungle]

Basically its worded in such a way that its incredibly loosely worded.

We dont know what, where, or how he even "died."

The most likely thing is this is to put down hype and to release a new model for him later down the line.

[patent ivy]

Oh okay hopefully

I thought he was a pretty cool character

[crisp heath]

Yes. Humans humaning lol. But real answer, the world's are literally encapsulated by cities almost, each of which are miles deep. There is little to no population control.

[remote blaze]

He died on the toilet and they don't want anyone to find out.

[patent ivy]

Elvis death

[safe vigil]

sadly the most cynical is probably the right one

[storm jungle]

Its really not.

Nobody dies in 40k unless its entirely showcased

[safe vigil]

fuck me I guess then

[storm jungle]

lmao

[crisp heath]

Have you ever heard Kowloon Walled City?@polar idol it was a real place that existed. Now imagine that, covering a whole planet. That's why there's untold billions

[plush mason]

i think part of the imperial greed is to "spread humanity across the stars" so procreation is literally a holy mandate in the imperium

[safe vigil]

Personally I do like the idea of Yarrick just keeling over one day

[polar idol]

The place in Hong Kong yea? Damn, so its just a stacked of small living places

[remote blaze]

Tertium has 10 billion inhabitants, that actually makes it small for a Hive.

[polar idol]

I guess entertainment is either drugs tempted by slanesh or making babies

[crisp heath]

A lot of it is, yeah. And then some of its not. Just depends on where you are in the hive

@polar idol

[storm jungle]

Nah

people just breed

its happened a lot in real life no matter how shitty a predicament is

[crisp heath]

Humans gonna human

[storm jungle]

Every second we talk people die and are born

now spread that across multiple planets

[remote blaze]

No matter what situation you are in there is always at least one thing two people can do for entertainment.

[plush mason]

their faith literally tells them too and we all know how the imperium is with that crap

[storm jungle]

Its not entertainment tbh

you dont make kids for that shit

[storm jungle]

also this yeah

its pretty much WW2 era germany in the sense that making kids is something you should constantly aspire to

[remote blaze]

Usually starts as entertainment, ends with financial ruin

[crisp heath]

Lol I don't think the kids are really why they're doing it. They're just the happy accidents it causes lol

I have a hard time thinking anybody would want to bring a child into the 40k universe willingly

[storm jungle]

^

Its a mix of any reason basically

but some people just dont care and just make kids

its about as fucked up as it is IRL

[plush mason]

yeah

i remember growing up and me and most of my friends being convinced we would be the last generation lol

[winged jacinth]

The imperial cult is definitely what we'd call "quiverful" irl

[remote blaze]

There is a character int he Dawn of Fire novels that makes this same argument. He refused to give his wife a child before he left and regrets it until his death.

[crisp heath]

Sounds like me lol

[arctic talon]

Ngl

[winged jacinth]

"Every child you have is an arrow in [the emperor's] quiver"

[arctic talon]

The carnival isn’t like

Nearly fucked up enough

[storm jungle]

We dont see a lot so

[arctic talon]

Not enough random banners and flags, no real posters and such

[arctic talon]

True

[storm jungle]

tho uh

i was currently playing the game and getting pics

hold on

[arctic talon]

Then again the 6th might have

Torn stuff down lol

[winged jacinth]

The area we bust into is supposed to be the 6th's barracks (at least for a few of them) right

[crisp heath]

@storm jungle ummm, miss said what? You was supposed to let us know when you hopped on!!

[winged jacinth]

I kinda expect more chaosy stuff even

[storm jungle]

the starting area is

[remote blaze]

Lot of writing on the walls in the Carnival. I'm curious as to if it's nonsense or if FS broke out the Chaos dictionary.

[storm jungle]

its dark tongue

but its basically just random runes

one of the writers here from BL confirmed it

[winged jacinth]

Presumably they're words in some chaos language

[storm jungle]

Ye dark tongue

its on google

[remote blaze]

I figured, don't know if there's even am official ruinous alphabet, would be neat though.

[storm jungle]

There is ye

[green loom]

More like Dork tongue

[storm jungle]

[winged jacinth]

I thought dark tongue was a whf language

[storm jungle]

Thats mostly because the 6th dont partake in any ritualistic/chaos-mucus stuff, thats the Dreg's deal, they just massacre and clear out areas and fortify them for the war effort

[storm jungle]

40k has it too

its basically both in both settings

[remote blaze]

Probably a fancy gothic name for it too

[crisp heath]

Lol I'm chilling in chat 1 if youre down to join. Lol it's cool if you dont want.

[storm jungle]

nah

its just dark tongue

[remote blaze]

Linguis Diablus

[storm jungle]

I hate voice-chats so

[remote blaze]

SPikey gits maken gargle noise

[plush mason]

wtf just happened? @storm jungle my discord force closed itself and all your older posts have your old pfp lol

[crisp heath]

If you dont wanna join it that's cool

We can still game without the vc

[green loom]

Sylvanas invasion

[arctic talon]

WoW refrence

[winged jacinth]

You know 100% the imperium makes up new high gothic words for everything like the chinese or french do

No loan words for them

[arctic talon]

I love character assasination

💀

Blizzard is great at it

[plush mason]

yes

[crisp heath]

@green loom @dense salmon no rush, just letting yall know as well that I'm hanging in vc 1 if yall would like to join when we game

[green loom]

It's 3 am so I'm prolly gonna drop dead into my bed

[crisp heath]

Lol ooof, I feel that. No worries brother maybe tomorrow at a better time

[grave widget]

I'm sure people ask all the time but what do the dregs mean when they yell mutasfarg nurgle

[green loom]

Random chaos speak

There's an old language someone threw together for chaos and it's just sentences in that

[arctic talon]

Don’t they yell for nurgle?

Or am I mishearing it

[grave widget]

I mean it's a specific thing approximately 80% of the enemies say

[green loom]

It's something like Vatash var

[storm jungle]

Apparently also according Sarah Cawkwell who's one of our mods and also a ex-BL writer, she was the one that wrote most of the dreg dialogue/voicelines.

The dark tongue ones especially, so if you wanna ask its probably her

[crisp heath]

We need april fools voicelines for the horde enemies

"My tummy hurty!" "Grandpa, I threw up..."

[crisp heath]

Uhhh I just got out of a game and one of the psyker voicelines I never heard before implies Melk is asking the rejects for "adult" favors????

Was not expecting to hear that

[burnt maple]

Whaaaaaaat?

[crisp heath]

I can't quote it off the top of my head but it was like

"If Melk offers you a treat from under his desk, don't take it, it had a piercing"

[burnt maple]

LOOOOOOOOOL

[crisp heath]

I guess it could also be cannibalism but like, "under his desk" threw me for a loop

[burnt maple]

Well, it was psyker saying?

Under the desk means simply out of everybody's sight.

[queen laurel]

the fuck

[crisp heath]

It might be one of the new ones, I'm trying to find it on YouTube but it's not coming up

[forest orbit]

Its the corpse starch line

its to uhh imply the people that got processed for it still had piercings/stuff on their body LMAO

[crisp heath]

Ah I must have zoned out and missed the context. Only hearing the second half of that convo makes him sound like a creep lmao

Glad to hear it's only cannibalism and not workplace sexual harassment

[green loom]

I mean it sounds about right tbh

[queen laurel]

oh thank god it's cannibalism

[molten swan]

Like half cannibalism, you aren’t eating a human, just their literal nutrients

Human juice

[queen laurel]

Potato Potato, no use differentiating about it because you still did grind down corpses of your own kind for nutrients

It's a necessary evil that it's helpful for the people

[grave widget]

It can't taste good

Do they ever get real food

[median star]

I mean iv heard ogryns talk about how good bombers are to eat multiple times so

[fallen summit]

Because of how Nurgle's plagues work, would poxwalkers technically be some form of exceptionaly weak daemon?

[molten swan]

Yeah

Basically

[arctic talon]

Maybe

Corpse starch is usually rationing food

[molten swan]

And there’s real food in the imperium yes, soylens viridans and corpse starch is just very cheap for the nutrients it provides

[arctic talon]

Or shit hits the fan food

Odds are you get actual food

On board

It’s just that melk has a side hustle lol

Or has excess corpse starch bars

[molten swan]

Emperors mercy relief bars

Always makes me chuckle when I read about the prayer parchment you can eat for some nutrients

[arctic talon]

Lol

[remote blaze]

If a game is delayed, that is temporary.

If a game sucks, that's forever.

Let them cook.

[crisp heath]

At least it's not cancelled

[crisp heath]

I'd rather it be delayed for everyone and come out right then the bullshit Fatshark pulled

[median marsh]

My reading comprehension drastically lowers over the years

Delays are pretty funky considering so far even with em the end products have been on the more borked side in recent years

[celest dome]

It's usually due to scope/feature creep, and tbh, I prefer to play earlier in a less perfect state and it getting after care than straight delays

[median marsh]

I've basically started going "oh, a delay, management sure tried rushing it then"

Early Access can be good if done proper, like Baldurs gate, Subnautica and a whole lot of other projects

[crisp heath]

I hate this mentality, but mostly because it excludes consoles

[celest dome]

My mentality or the Dev's ?

[crisp heath]

Not really trying to accuse you per se, just the general PC community and devs both

@celest dome

[drifting jacinth]

Just play on a pc

[arctic talon]

💀

[crisp heath]

@drifting jacinth this would be who I'm accusing

[drifting jacinth]

I'm sorry for being right and correct 😔

Nah but fr I 100% said that cause you said that lmao

[grave sparrow]

BG3 needed a bit more time to cook for act 3.

Don't get me wrong, still absolutely amazing, but compared to the polish of act 1 and 2, act 3 needed some time to bake. Especially with the lack of the upper city and the lack of finality with some of the companions.

I would've been happy if it stayed in development for another year, but instead they released earlier than originally told.

So if Space Marine 2 is in the same boat, this 7 months for a solid polish and not cutting content is totally worth it

[celest dome]

Would you prefer having to wait 1 more year to have a polished Act 3 or have release and then get the polish they do with the definitive edition they often do ? (Where honestly I just hope we get the steam workshop)

[grave sparrow]

I personally would've preferred waiting another year. The ending was a pretty bad let down.

I also romanced Karlach and finished the game before they added the cutscene and extra dialogue options so that was super disappointing lol

plus if they had that extra year the Minsc arc wouldn't have felt like a shoe in fan service

[tulip brook]

I'll try to go without spoiling it, one of the endgame bosses died to their own trap and the other one got one shotted. I'm pretty sure they didn't expect those to be that underwhelming

imo you can't fix an underwhelming end after the player already spent 100+ hours. bad taste will override the journey

I suspect similar stuff with space marine 2. they didn't show anything with chaos part so it may be half baked for now

[grave sparrow]

it wasn't even the fights really, those'll vary a lot player to player, but the dock scene left a lot to be desired on such a story driven game with amazing character dynamics and interactions

like DnD combat is always gonna be super tough or super easy. Almost impossible to balance with the sheer amount of customization on characters. The story though could always be improved. The ending just felt rushed and quickly put together

[tulip brook]

I don't care too much about the epilogue scene. These characters have already had their story arcs. Except for karlach they definitely did her dirty. Withers scene was really good too.

Optional bosses being way better than endgame bothers me the most

"you may never see it but this guy has unique mechanics and his own theme song meanwhile this key character is just a random human"

[grave sparrow]

I had a glitch where the music for house of hope didn't play on my coop playthrough and it totally ruined the epicness of the fight. I was totally hyping it up too and it was super disappointing lol

sent the other 2 who also got the default combat music a youtube link to try and salvage it but aw man that sucked

[tulip brook]

that song was so out of left field for me. I went blind and stopped playing just to hear the lyrics

[crisp heath]

I just don't think it's a bad thing to be patient, personally. I'd rather wait for something to come out well and truly good, then to be a work in progress. I was raised to do a job when it was asked of me, not drag it out past a deadline. There's also an experiment in kids about this very thing. Would you rather one candy now, or be patient and get a handful later?

Do you want a quick, easy fix now, or a satisfying, obviously better option you have to wait on.

[grave sparrow]

I just hope it doesn't get delayed into oblivion

[tulip brook]

to be fair, any project missing deadlines for months allude to serious problems in management

[grave sparrow]

yea, that's where good games often die

like Starcraft's Ghost, could've been awesome but was poorly managed and got passed around to too many teams. Eventually got dropped.

[crisp heath]

This is unfortunately also true. It's most definitely a hard line for companies to walk, and I don't think anyone expects perfection. That's why I'm totally fine with being patient on delays. I just want companies to be honest, communicate with their base, and uphold their promises. The massive reason I have such a big issue with fatshark is their liers and don't communicate. The game should have released to both Xbox and PC at the same time, or been delayed properly. Instead we got lies and obfuscation, weren't told anything and didn't get refunds for months. And fatshark ain't the only company like this. They're just the worst recently.

[grave sparrow]

the closed beta should've been a sign the game needed at least a few months lol.

the other stuff, we just gotta hope they do better and the community keeps calling them out

[crisp heath]

But we shouldn't need "signs"

[nocturne crest]

Do you think the Terminus Decree will be explained when the Horus Heresy book series ends and the scouring series begins?

[crisp heath]

I kinda hope so, and then I kinda don't

I'm always down for more info about the uni and god does that intrigue me, but I'm always worried when they make something concrete

Part of 40ks magic is everything being so up in the air, and the knowledge you have isn't omniscient as an observer

[drifting jacinth]

Uh, isn't it already explained as being an anti-astartes virus malcador made ?

[umbral nymph]

Was this implied to be the cult or is it still in the air ?

[median marsh]

The cult wouldn't really need to have their pay hidden on some lift, they could just go take it directly

[nocturne crest]

Could be T'au pulling their CIA move again.

[winged jacinth]

We must be way closer to tau space than i thought

The oubliette lockup apparently is full of pulse weapons?

[median marsh]

why would Tau work with chaos on other side of the galaxy

[tulip brook]

especially with nurgle

[winged jacinth]

Wait so are we not near the homeworlds or the 4th sphere area?

[green loom]

No

[winged jacinth]

It's really hard to tell where any of these things are in the galaxy lol

[green loom]

Iirc we're somewhere on the Fringes of Segmentum Solar

[nocturne crest]

I remember hearing about T'au funding pirates to harass the imperium's navy.

[green loom]

Also idk about you but the Moebian benefactors are...

Pretty obvious lol

[queen laurel]

Yeah but tau have standards

Those guys are probably just rogue pirates

[median marsh]

It's in northwest of segmentum solar

[winged jacinth]

The tau are geographically really limited

[tulip brook]

classic imperium world going shit nobles are corrupt but the world is somewhat important so bigger forces have to be deployed story

[green loom]

Yeah it's like

Pretty blatant

I mean the Riser has to go somewhere, and I doubt the middle class are particularly interested in fancy crystals
And also it's not hard to guess who the big fancy archívum will have info on

[winged jacinth]

It would be fun to get an assassination mission where the final target is some heretic noble who dies in 1 hit and the mission is us slaughtering our way straight to them

Give them a bodyguard for a boss maybe

[celest dome]

Have it transform into a Chaos Spawn maybe ?

[nocturne crest]

It's a orgyn servitor that turns into a plague servitor.

[tulip brook]

dies in one shot, ascends to daemon prince all of a sudden he's as powerful as 20 chaos spawns

[median marsh]

Daemon Prince is a bit too much, considering I doubt they did that much to impress chaos

[winged jacinth]

I would like to hear them on the vox as we hunt them down i really like the enemy vox in carnival

[urban spire]

there is no reasonable way we're fighting a daemon prince

[celest dome]

Make it a Daemonhost after you've killed it

[tulip brook]

that's the good part, we just escape from that point

[median marsh]

eh

[queen laurel]

And a daemon prince with a flick of a wrist can easily turn us into a sloshing pile of melted flesh and bone

[tulip brook]

after that they send grey knights instead of prisoners

[median marsh]

And then no more game as we are all executed

or just no more game in general

[celest dome]

I do not think they should do an enemy that we have to flee from, and we don't need GK to make a good story

[winged jacinth]

Its interesting that between the carnival enemy vox and some loading lines from morrow about how we've done certain missions before that the game seems to consider the gameplay fully canon to the "story"

[urban spire]

grey knights would actively make the story worse

[tulip brook]

I was just being ridiculous. the game needs a few decent bosses tho

for now we only have one guy getting ganged up pretty fast and that's it

[urban spire]

tricky thing about designing bosses is that certain builds don't handle them well

[median marsh]

V2 has like, one boss I actually consider a boss

[celest dome]

The Lords in VT2 are fun, but they aren't full Raid Boss like for the most part

[median marsh]

So it's not a uniquely darktide issue

[urban spire]

there's also the fact that if a boss is too hard people will stop picking that mission type, since no one wants to make it all the way to the end of a mission, a process that can take more than 20 minutes, and then get wiped

[celest dome]

Make a mission where fighting the boss is the complete mission :

[winged jacinth]

Specifically one of the morrow lines on the train station implies we've been diverting loads of chaos lords to the station to kill them and it keeps working

[urban spire]

closer to launch, the transit station assassination mission was a bad idea to pick just because you couldn't rely on pubs to beat the boss

but you'd waste a bunch of time getting to it anyway

idk if they nerfed the boss or if the playerbase is just more competent

[median marsh]

I'm not sure why they wouldn't be canon, it's just they're not exactly something ultra plot heavy like ascension riser or archivum

[winged jacinth]

Players are more geared at least

[urban spire]

gear is also just better

[tulip brook]

my pub experience is playerbase is competent enough for the most part in damnation and totally unreliable in lower difficulties

[winged jacinth]

Well it means we're doing these missions where we kill hundreds of enemies each, and we're doing them over and over.
In warhammer statistics we should be very dead

[urban spire]

only play aurics these days which tend to go pretty smoothly unless you get a very unfortunate team comp

had me, a smite psyker with a revolver, and 3 zealots also with revolvers once

we got shot to death a lot

since nobody wanted to spend bullets on shooters

[winged jacinth]

My launch boss experience was infernus recon lasgun burning the boss to death under their shield in 3 seconds

[urban spire]

well that got nerfed pretty much immediately

[winged jacinth]

True lol

Those beautiful uncapped burn stacks

[median marsh]

our characters are a special case of main character, it's even highlighted by the level 30 cutscene which implies that out of everyone recruited alongside us, only two had managed to make it to actual warband (in reality one because rannick wanted to have his screentime)

[urban spire]

plenty of main characters do this type of thing

stories aren't usually about the nobodies who get killed immediately

[median marsh]

If stuff were lore accurate wed instantly melt the second a beast of Nurgle shows up

[green loom]

But cin that's not realistic!!!!!

[winged jacinth]

Which, stay with me, makes it kind of odd that they've chosen to play the story as us repeatedly slaughtering untold hordes of chaos for real instead of having a disconnect

[urban spire]

i think rather that the actual content of the missions is more nebulous

[median marsh]

Wolfer is having a grand time not understanding how the fuck are we still alive

Considering everyone else falls over

[winged jacinth]

We're simultaneously named pcs and not kinda

[urban spire]

like how the ubersreik 5 are canon to warhammer fantasy, where they killed "some number" of rats and norsemen

rather than like, literally the entirety of the chaos forces of the end times 20 times over

[drifting jacinth]

Nah there's like 10 rats per human we didn't do a dent

[median marsh]

We also saw that there was a gorillion rotbloods in the wastes

(when we go through the skittergate you can see just a giga mass of them)

And after helmgart the story is basically focused on wastes

[urban spire]

the number of things killed across two vermintides is not representative of what even the greatest champions of order can normally accomplish

it's videogame logic

don't overthink it

okay i mean, maybe gotrek and felix coulda done that

but gotrek is a statistical outlier and should not be counted

[median marsh]

an important note for darktides case is that not all of our kills are Moebians and cultists, a vast chunk of em are actually poxwalkers

[winged jacinth]

In vt2 you canonically do each mission once i think, and no one really talks to you about the huge streak of corpses behind you

[median marsh]

And considering a hive can have billions stacked on billions

[winged jacinth]

I don't mean they're like, canon to greater 40k

[median marsh]

For skaven losses are basically meaningless

[winged jacinth]

But it sure seems that the other characters are seeing you go down, slaughter loads of heretics, then come back over and over

Which is interesting

[median marsh]

well we are special

Literally

[urban spire]

losses are meaningful to skaven because if they smell too many other dead skaven they will literally piss themselves and run away

[median marsh]

When you hit 30 you're not a "reject" anymore, you become a full fledged member

[urban spire]

i'm not saying the rejects aren't special, i'm just saying we're not on the level of like

main character space marines

[crisp heath]

I had this same confusion. It's just because the story doesn't make it satisfying or actually tell you anything important, so level 30 still feels like a reject

[urban spire]

more like main character gaunt's ghosts

[median marsh]

Fatshark insists on putting rejects in their blogs while we're not anymore despite the narrative literally lifting you out of it

[urban spire]

the players are still called the rejects

[green loom]

Well you're still a reject, just a successful one

[urban spire]

i can see us reclaiming the moniker as a mark of pride

[crisp heath]

Ehh, technically we are agents at level 30 and no longer "rejects"

[green loom]

Also all the missions happening nonstop seems fine to me

[urban spire]

reject isn't really a formal position in the first place

[green loom]

You're an agent but you were(read: are) a reject

You're a penal legionnaire serving your sentence

[urban spire]

the campaign on atoma is VERY ad hoc

we're not penal legion either, we were just penal

[winged jacinth]

The story as i remember it is 10 cutscenes saying "we almost trust you but not yet" and 1 "we trust you and this other person is a heretic i guess lol"

[crisp heath]

@urban spire in a sense it is. It applies to our status as incarcerated and working that off. When we become agents, basically our crimes have been absolved and we are fully fledged members of the Inquisitor's warband

[green loom]

Nah

[median marsh]

I just go by what rannick says and call myself acolyte

[green loom]

Our crimes are their way of motivating us

[median marsh]

The traitor arc was really funny because she's shows up almost everywhere with no explanation

[crisp heath]

Acolyte I think is the term for a inquistorial trainee, so it's apt for before lvl30

[urban spire]

btw shoutsout to melk being like "i wish you were strangled by the umbilical cord at birth" to literally every character at level 30 except the psyker, who he tries to suck up to

[green loom]

Acolyte is just whoever is in a retinue

[green loom]

He's nice to my veteran

[median marsh]

Melk likes professional vet

[winged jacinth]

I didn't recognize her and i wasnt sure it was the same person the next 3 times i saw the cutscene lol

[urban spire]

ah is it based on voice? that makes sense

[median marsh]

All characters have personalities they like and dislike

Sefoni hates my vet but loves my ogryn

[crisp heath]

I feel like everyone hates my psycher and loves my ogryn lol

[urban spire]

i swear hadron sometimes flirts with my psyker extremely ineptly

i am a disaster lesbian i recognise my people (unless they are trying to flirt with me in which case i am oblivious)

[crisp heath]

Pfft

I feel this

[green loom]

Hadron goes "life seems more bearable after our conversations"
And I just want to yell at the Hag to shut up because of all the annoying abuse she throws at us in missions

[urban spire]

yeah that's the line

[crisp heath]

I kinda love Hadrons and Morrows abuse though

[urban spire]

hadron's screaming is very funny

[green loom]

Morrow is at least fun to listen to
Hadron is unpleasant

[crisp heath]

It makes the moments they're proud of us all the more special

[urban spire]

it's a bit odd that the background you pick for your character doesn't really matter, isn't it

[high musk]

Tech priests are based.

[urban spire]

the voice comes pre-loaded with its own background

[crisp heath]

Kinda. It plays into some of your voice lines I believe

[high musk]

More mechanical cool cats soon plz.

[crisp heath]

Like, your planet can come up, or how you got in trouble

[urban spire]

i need a playable tech adept class so fucking bad

[median marsh]

"WHAT A PREPOSTEROUS ASSERTION, YOU ARE PARANOID"

[crisp heath]

Tech adept, sororitas, and eversor

[median marsh]

YOU HEAR THAT SAH

[crisp heath]

Those would be the playable characters I want

If they added new ones

[urban spire]

sororitas and eversor aren't happening, those backgrounds are too specific

[high musk]

Just add space marines while we're at it.

[crisp heath]

Idk, maybe

[green loom]

And sororitas would just be a zealot but gay

[crisp heath]

Would be cool though

[urban spire]

like eversors are barely even sapient, they're kept in stasis until missions start because otherwise they might go berserk and start murdering the wrong people

[high musk]

Astartes sisters and specialists assassins wouldn't really be here.

[crisp heath]

Lol i hate this and want to say you're wrong but don't know how lol

[high musk]

Four Astartes in a hive city would be a cleansing force.

[urban spire]

give us a sororita voice for female zealots

[green loom]

Apparently they're pretty sapient
But why would we have a solo agent from an exclusive assassin group bunched in with literal criminals?

[green loom]

It's already all the female voices lol

[crisp heath]

Like... I really didn't want to start an argument... idc that much. Just thought they'd be cool to play

[urban spire]

i could definitely see a death cult assassin though

[green loom]

Isn't that just shroud field zealot

[urban spire]

kinda?

[crisp heath]

Dude... they could play different...

[urban spire]

at minimum a voice pack

[crisp heath]

Like idk why everything has to be shit on...

[green loom]

Now we just need a gimp suit to match

[urban spire]

the body glove

👀
🫦

[winged jacinth]

Canonically when eversors die they blow up with enough force to destroy a palace but i think that would be sick

[urban spire]

give the zealot a talent to blow up when they die

[green loom]

Canonically an eversor blew up and destroyed memechat, which I am still grateful for

[crisp heath]

Maybe a different assasinorum sect then...

[winged jacinth]

This is explained by "the drugs are... explodey"

[green loom]

Truly a most despicable target

[urban spire]

wait is memechat gone?

[green loom]

Yeah

[crisp heath]

Yep

[winged jacinth]

I'd like to see a playable eversor but maybe as a solo mode

[urban spire]

huh, what happened?

[winged jacinth]

Just go apeshit

[crisp heath]

Died a while ago because people couldn't help but be idiots

[median marsh]

People being stupid

or horny

Or both

[celest dome]

Death Cult aren't Officio

[green loom]

Too much racism/horny posting

[urban spire]

yeah death cults just pop up everywhere

[green loom]

Classic hamwarmer

[urban spire]

ah makes sense

[winged jacinth]

People see "darktide memes" and read "freaky images people don't want me to share channel"

[crisp heath]

There are multiple assasinorum sects that are official though. I never said death cult

[urban spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/294604960614842368/911228212284104744/unknown.png
taps the sign

give us a danktide channel for lhoposting

[median marsh]

lots of people for some reason assume that if they were in Warhammer they'd be some badass warrior

[winged jacinth]

Counterpoint:

[median marsh]

When in reality they'd be slave worker 2827626128177

[urban spire]

maybe YOU'D be a slave worker

[wet sandal]

how about the emperor's pet centurion? checkmate, haters

[urban spire]

i'm made different

i'd be a tasty little snack for a warp entity

[queen laurel]

Trust me even if you end up as an ork which probably is the best life in that universe it would still be quite fucked

People underestimate their settings too much these days

[crisp heath]

If we wanted an assassinorum other than eversor, are best options are probably Venenum or Adamas

[urban spire]

tbh i think orks are best when viewed through the lens of orks

[crisp heath]

They would allow for possible different playstyles

[urban spire]

"actually the orks are very grimdark" stories are a little exhausting

[tulip brook]

I like vindicare, they just sit still on a distance with their fancy guns

[celest dome]

Both are still way stronger than what we are

[crisp heath]

Vindicare are sharpshooters though, which is Veterans whole shtick

[urban spire]

i don't wanna hear about how the orks treat their slaves i wanna watch them be goofy world war 2 flying aces

or goofy space pirates

[crisp heath]

Fair, but so would be a tech priest

[winged jacinth]

Orks should live in like violent ancapistans but they should be lightly whimsical still

[urban spire]

GIVE VETERAN AN EXITUS RIFLE

[winged jacinth]

Tech adept is on level tbh but yeah proper priests are scary

[crisp heath]

Would be dope

@winged jacinth adept would be a bit more reasonable, yeah

Maybe

[urban spire]

tech priests have a lot more variance than people seem to think, keep in mind that tech priest is one of the classes in dark heresy, which is at a much lower power level than even darktide

[tulip brook]

darktide player power level would be skitarii i guess

[crisp heath]

Dark heresy is TT, right?

[celest dome]

Tech Priest are stronger than rejecy, but not as much as neither of those 2.
And Lower Tech Priest

[crisp heath]

I'm not well versed in that unfortunately

[winged jacinth]

The mention of the poison assassins reminded me, do poisons work on nurglites of any severity? I expect the viral stuff to not work at all

[urban spire]

TTRPG yes, darktide draws a lot of lore from those games

[green loom]

Dakota Heresy is up there with Ohio War for me

[urban spire]

like the bolter in this game is from dark heresy

[tulip brook]

assassins are similar or above sm level

[crisp heath]

Lol leave my fucked up autocorrect alone

It's trying its best

[winged jacinth]

As is common with 40k how much depends on the writer

[urban spire]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057

[winged jacinth]

People talk about needleguns but they seem singularly useless vs a nurgle worshipping foe

[urban spire]

i'm actually running an Only War game right now

needle guns are VERY specialized assassination weapons, i don't think they'd fit well into a horde shooter

[tulip brook]

I'm having too much fun with bolter way weaker than standard sm variant being strong elite killer in darktide

[urban spire]

bolters are a little underpowered in only war i think, especially the heavy bolter

can't even fuck up a sentinel

[winged jacinth]

I don't think we're gonna get needle guns but i also think they're probably no good vs a cultist

Does only war use the same combat system as gorkamorka and call of cthulhu

[urban spire]

i don't think so

[green loom]

Needle guns but they're actually just mass drug dispensers to feed the Ogryn

[urban spire]

i'm not familiar with those

[crisp heath]

I don't see it either. The exitus rifle however that someone mentioned earlier would be dope for Veteran. It's specialized ammo could do some damage to hoards or single targets

[urban spire]

a medical needle gun would be funny

[winged jacinth]

They're both fantasy flight too

[urban spire]

oh i see

[winged jacinth]

D100 with adding and subtracting bonus and penalty die

[urban spire]

well only war and friends uses a d100 system

oh

yeah same system then

[winged jacinth]

Ugh

[tulip brook]

shooting combat stim darts into ogryn butts, I can get behind this idea

[urban spire]

definitely not the same iteration though

[winged jacinth]

They really thought they were cooking with that system but its so clunky and swingy

[urban spire]

the system changed a lot over time even within the 40k rpgs

[winged jacinth]

CoC is on its like 9th edition too now i think they just keep updating the one system

[urban spire]

it's way less swingy in the 40k rpgs, you can get very reliable results if you're careful and prepare before making rolls, while snap decisions feel suitably unreliable

[winged jacinth]

Gorkamorka was more or less identical to CoC combat

The numbers and usual skills are probably better suited in only war

[urban spire]

if you want to fire a lasgun in only war and your ballistics skill is 35, you have a couple of options

[winged jacinth]

In call of cthulhu you have like 8 hp and you've already had to divide points between like 40 noncombat skills to have any chance of succeeding at them

[green loom]

Is blowing my brains out an option

[urban spire]

if you just immediately fire from the hip at semi auto burst, you have a flat 35% chance of hitting, but if you take a half action to aim, fire at single shot and volley fire with your comrade you're up to a +25

[winged jacinth]

Oh also your guns are from the year 40,000 not the year 1906 i forgot

[urban spire]

it's a game about stacking the odds in your favour

[winged jacinth]

My CoC character gets to participate in fights and he has 20 handguns and a pistol he bought from the austrian army pre ww1

He does not get nice flat bonuses

[urban spire]

you only have like 8 hp in only war as well, but you also get flat damage resistance from toughness and armour so it's not that scary

and if you dont feel like taking damage you can play an ogryn

[winged jacinth]

Ah yeah none of that either

And enemies will do 3d6 damage too!

We fought a monster a few sessions ago, our second combat, and we lost 2 pcs and an arm

[urban spire]

a lasgun in OW is 1d10+2 i think, with 2 points of armour penetration

i have the pdf open i can just check
1d10+3 damage with 0 armour pen

[winged jacinth]

The bigger problem with CoC that only war maybe just ignores though is how regular skill checks work

If you invest really heavily in a skill but don't get actually close to 100 you're prone to just failing relatively routine acts you should be a pro at

[urban spire]

yeah OW has a "don't roll unless there's a risk, idiot" rule

[winged jacinth]

And if you don't invest you'll just be incapable of various important things

[urban spire]

OW loads you up with a basic proficiency in most essential skills

[winged jacinth]

Like knowing if someone is lying has a base of 5 or 1, dont remember

Similar deal with spot hidden

But back to being good, even if you skip rolls, when you do roll it only supports 3 difficulties, and extreme (and often hard) are usually pretty slim chances

[urban spire]

but like in general as a GM, you shouldn't make players roll a skill unless failure is narratively or mechanically interesting

any situation where failure would make the game less interesting should not be a situation in which the players are capable of failing

like climbing a normal ladder or something

[winged jacinth]

Sure but that's not the problem, the problem is my professional natural scientist has a 25% chance of failing any natural science check he does roll because i didn't juice all the way to 100, and if its hard a 62 or so % chance

[urban spire]

OW has more than 3 difficulties

[winged jacinth]

Oh that's also not in CoC

Did they just straight up ignore these mechanics? The game really suffers for their omission

[urban spire]

CoC or OW?

[winged jacinth]

Its like they tried to make it "lightweight" and accidentally took out loadbearing portions

CoC

[urban spire]

oh idk, i've never played it

[winged jacinth]

OW seems like a way more competent implementation of the same general ideas

[urban spire]

it's possible they just had different teams working on different games, idk

[winged jacinth]

Nah they've been iterating next to each other for many editions

This is bad design choices, gorkamorka is even more stripped down

[urban spire]

that's a shame

does CoC have the critical damage tables? cause those are seriously cool

[winged jacinth]

Like losing a limb?

[urban spire]

there are special effects for each damage type hitting each limb

[winged jacinth]

Oh no

[urban spire]

you don't die at 0 wounds, you just start taking critical hits instead

and THOSE kill you

applies to enemies too

[winged jacinth]

You don't have targetable limbs, when you get hit, if it does enough damage you suffer a Major Wound which often removes a limb, depends on rolls and the attack

If you run out of hp you just die

If you run out of sanity you also just die

[urban spire]

when something hits in OW, you reverse the numbers on the d100 roll to determine hit location, which is significant for location armour and such

[winged jacinth]

You die a lot in CoC, even though there's much less action

[urban spire]

and, you know, critical hits

[winged jacinth]

We've had 2 combats in maybe 15, 20 sessions
Combat 1 was vs a sorcerer but we all were playing priests with good Power stats so we got out only minus 1 hand

Combat 2 was vs a real spooky monster and in 2 rounds it killed 2 people and cut the arm off another

[urban spire]

OW also has fate points, which gives you some protection from instant death hits

[winged jacinth]

CoC has Luck which is intended to mitigate some of the "you lose"eyness of the stats

[urban spire]

sounds similar

[winged jacinth]

You can basically spend the difference between your roll and success to unfail and you do improvement rolls between sessions

[urban spire]

fate points are quite strong

[winged jacinth]

Yeah that's way stronger

You get 1d10 luck per session and if you fail a roll by 20 it costs 20 to fix

And you'll probably spend a lot of it on the mystery because combats are rare!

[urban spire]

combat is obviously quite common in only war, since that's the game about playing guardsmen

but it can be more variable depending on the game

dark heresy has some straight up non-combat classes

[dusk patrol]

Only War is extremely lethal in general

Which is why they have the comrade system

[winged jacinth]

Our CoC party started out as the highly varied spread of
Bosnian orthodox priest
2 catholic priests
2 franciscan priests
Muslim cleric
Zoroastrian cleric

[dusk patrol]

Deathwatch RPG is fun for the power fantasy aspect

[winged jacinth]

The catholics both got disemboweled by the monster so we have a reporter and a thief now

[dusk patrol]

But you need a good DM who knows how to challenge the players

And preferably players who know their chapters

[winged jacinth]

CoC tip: don't have all your guyw be the same kind of guy turns out you spend a lot of points being good at the same useless stuff

Im pretty sure we had 200 points of liturgical latin

[dusk patrol]

Dark Heresy, Rogue Trader, and Black Crusade have absurd levels of “any story you want” versatility

[celest dome]

Last CoC / World of Darkness group is:
1 Florist
2 Doctors
1 Mechanics
1 Hobo

[crisp heath]

I once played CoC as a slice of life

No monster, just college

Got into a car accident and spent a month in the hospital

[crisp heath]

fd

[wooden path]

CoC? corruption of champions?

[forest orbit]

Why are you even hiding your name when discord displays your username.

[celest dome]

Call of Chulhu, but Corruption of Champion and Trial in tainted space are quite fun

[verbal path]

[celest dome]

I feel no shame on enjoying those games

[warm notch]

[median marsh]

[tight stratus]

Me listening to videos about warhamemr to learn some lore.

Me tuning out cause I'm also working on game development at the same time...

https://youtu.be/3_3kHT7_y_I?si=4ZhoIzvbAtGuStcO&t=282

WHAT!?

[warm notch]

Did he stutter?

[tulip brook]

yeah sanctioned psykers are soulbound to emperor

yeah majorkill has a way with his words

[median marsh]

not all psykers are bound to emperor, only Astropaths

[celest dome]

While Astropath are the majority of the Sould bonded, they aren't all

[bronze vigil]

Gotta say, Moebian Sixth are Chaos Undivided… while the Cult of Admonition are Nurgle-aligned

[celest dome]

Yes but actually no

They are very much Undivided coded, but they do have some Nurglite marks, Nurglite voice lines and all

[queen laurel]

yeah the secret touch of a goblin to a pile of gold

not a good one

[bronze vigil]

Yup but they use a lot of chaos undivided symbols to be solely nurgle-aligned tbh (Moebian Sixth). Even Nurgle himself will raise an eyebrow tbh

This alignment could also potentially give way to other chaos gods-aligned traitors being introduced later if the devs want to

[queen laurel]

aren't undivided chaos factions notorious for asking a specific God depending on the situation?

Right now it's just nurgle of course

[dusk patrol]

They’re definitely just Nurgle

[bronze vigil]

For now I guess

The symbols say it all

[dusk patrol]

They use his symbols, they use plague ogryns and the zombie plague, nurgle daemons

It’s not really a for now thing, Undivided is undivided

[tulip brook]

undivided chaos factions come in all sizes and philosophies, some are total sluts and get possessed by anyone and everyone, some resent chaos as a whole but they are victim of circumstance, some think they are above chaos and use it as a weapon of convenience etc.

[dusk patrol]

They’re just nurgle

[bronze vigil]

They also use chaos undivided symbols a lot, even the cult in their banners

[tulip brook]

moebian 6th sounds like they will go word bearers route

[dusk patrol]

Idk if there’s anything to base this off, we’ve just seen nurgle. Maybe they’ll introduce a different cult or whatever soon but

They’re very solidly nurgle rn

Undivided doesn’t tend to go full bore one god like this

Plus undivided factions are rare