#40k-lore-chat

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tough haven
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Or how they believe medicine works, combined with their tough physiology

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Yeah that’s what I thought

dusk patrol
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But we have no idea if the Krorks were even as dangerous as the Beast or what they did

verbal path
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Ork belief is like praying your car that hit E will make it to the gas station a few miles down

dusk patrol
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People just assume stuff

verbal path
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And it working

storm jungle
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^

verbal path
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Cars painted red. Gas is E. I got this

crisp heath
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Bro... we do. Krorks were quite obviously vastly more dangerous....

storm jungle
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If orks could make anything work by "thinking hard enough" then Mekboys would not be needed.

dusk patrol
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No, we don’t

tough haven
storm jungle
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yeah exactly

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its important to remember they were made for war

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hence all these passive effects

tulip brook
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thinking hard is never their thing either

storm jungle
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they are a self-sustaining faction

dusk patrol
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I would say Krorks were probably more dangerous

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But we have no idea

storm jungle
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"probably"

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Bruh they fought in a galactic war

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💀

verbal path
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Orks can't tell you what this whatsit does but they know to stick it in the whosit there

dusk patrol
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And they lost

storm jungle
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So did everyone

crisp heath
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.... probably.... they were 30 ft behemoths that fought literally in he War in Heaven...

storm jungle
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also we do know they had stuff like massive power-armor

tough haven
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I’d anything it would be that it’s self containing, since the stuff that their ability can’t do, doesn’t work, they wouldn’t believe it does

dusk patrol
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Necrons kicked their ass

crisp heath
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Created specifically by the Old Ones as their strongest warriors

tough haven
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It more maintains their pre existing ideas of what should work for orks

dusk patrol
crisp heath
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@dusk patrol the necron literally had shackled gods fighting for them....

green loom
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Doesn't the ghaz book tell us that since Orks had no enemies they slowly just butchered all the higher orks?

dusk patrol
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And the Old Ones had actual gods they made for the Eldar

tough haven
storm jungle
tough haven
verbal path
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Shit my phone is out of charge cry

crisp heath
dusk patrol
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Based off what?

tough haven
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They were made for war by the green gods

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Or the old ones

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Depending how accurate you wanna be

dusk patrol
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They could have just been cannon fodder made as a desperate measure

green loom
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Werent the crons pretty handily winning that war

verbal path
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Before I go the Krorks are actua-

tough haven
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Everything orks do, is what they were built for, they have everything they need to survive

dusk patrol
crisp heath
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@dusk patrol they were 30 ft behemoths with Armour made by the old ones...

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No... they were not cannon fodder

dusk patrol
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We have one example of one big Ork

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Who was likely a major player if Trayzn has him

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This is my point

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We know nothing of them and people extrapolate all this

green loom
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They were almost definitely just spongy cannon fodder
It's like, their thing

dusk patrol
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Off of one short little description

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They were probably just the chaff

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There’s nothing to suggest they were the “finest warriors” of the old ones

crisp heath
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Because it's literally logical that they would be more powerful by a vast degree. Your arguing an inane point. Do we know how much more powerful? No. But it is certainly a lot.

dusk patrol
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I’m sure they were stronger to some degree

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But people extrapolate without any evidence to an absurd degree

crisp heath
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@dusk patrol they were though. The old one created two races for that war
Eldar, and Krork. Eldar ain't known for strength

dusk patrol
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Eldar literally ruled for galaxy for millions of years

crisp heath
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Lol sure. And while they did, there was no war. So Krorks devolved to orcs. Orcs don't rule like other civilizations do

dusk patrol
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Yeah, cause they fucking destroyed everyone

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Like Orks existed back then, they just kept them in check easily

tulip brook
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powerful super big smart ork is boring

crisp heath
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No lol. The Kroks simply seemed to not care for actual conquering. They simply wanted war

dusk patrol
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There was

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Literally Ork Empires during the Great Crusade

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And is now to some degree

crisp heath
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So they didn't take land or survive long term. They need war to sustain their existence. How trayzn has one in stasis is honestly a miracle of his tech

dusk patrol
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The Eldar just kicked their ass

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Orks form empires when you let them

brazen nymph
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well they were a lot more intelligent and were created to conquer the galaxy

crisp heath
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Orcs can exist now like that
Krorks couldnt.

dusk patrol
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Necron tech is shown to hold far crazier stuff than a big Ork

green loom
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Orks can't not take territory/make settlements

dusk patrol
green loom
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Their spores make sure of that

tough haven
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Btw for the ork thing, in Ghaz’s book, it’s shown that the latent ability is tied directly to their fighting spirit, when they start to lose hope in Ghaz and when he starts losing hope, their tech and societies functionality breaks down

crisp heath
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And it's not like they changed immediately from one o the other bro. The things your saying don't make sense. Lol the krorks and eldar would have existed side by side for some time

dusk patrol
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Dude

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You are saying this with no evidence

green loom
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They existed at the same time

dusk patrol
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At all

tough haven
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Fighting orks directly unless you can fully destroy them, they just get stronger

dusk patrol
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This is just you making stuff up

tough haven
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I think we should stop this discussion, it’s going nowhere

dusk patrol
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We have no idea how they functioned or why they even devolved technically, we can try to infer

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But there’s almost 0 we know of Krorks really

crisp heath
# dusk patrol lol, based off what?

Orcs can exist in small groupings and stuff like that now based on the fact the literally are. There are warbands and stuff, of course. Krorks can't exist like that now because there simply isn't enough war in the universe. Which should tell upu how fuckrd the war in heaven was

dusk patrol
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Which is my point

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People say a bunch of affirmative statements about Krork when we really don’t know much at all

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We have one single short description of one

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Which we have no idea who he was

green loom
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And we know they died out probably from infighting

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As Orks tend to do

dusk patrol
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There’s a million reasons they could have split

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Maybe the Old Ones losing control or whatever made them devolve as a fail safe

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Maybe it was the Eldar and Infighting or losses from the War in Heaven

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Maybe all of those

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But we don’t actually know

crisp heath
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I'm out. It's proven war makes orcs grow, and less makes them shrink. It's literally obvious, and at this point your arguing to argue. Idk what yalls problem today is, but I'm out. This chat ain't it for me today.

green loom
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Less doesn't make them shrink

dusk patrol
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It makes them fat in some references funnily enough

green loom
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And it makes them scuffle internally yeah?

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Moreso than usual anyway

dusk patrol
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Typically they’re always gonna grow to be a large enough size to start a waggghhh eventually

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If they’re not culled

crisp heath
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And I'm the one making stuff up?

verbal path
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An Ork without war and fighting grows fat and depressed.

green loom
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Hmmm, now I've got a neat idea for a conversion!

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AoS ogres mixed with Orks, to show a waaagh starved for a fight but back in action

dusk patrol
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This is why the Armageddon Ork Hunters exist partially

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Is to cull the Orks in the jungles of Armageddon

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Also, idc about inference or theorizing

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But people will just say stuff about Krorks or a lot of other things when we have no actual idea

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And at like it’s canon

crisp heath
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Lol so fighting said orcs, keeping them in conflict, effectively feeding them and making sure they can never die out? Lol if you extreminatus the world, they die out completely. Armageddon you can't cause the imperium needs it. But say for the sake of argument, you clear them off every imperial world. Say the imperium wins, and they rule the galaxy. So long as there is not war, they will inevitably wither and die out. That is a fact. They will stop producing bigger orcs. The ones still living grow fat and depressed like others said, and eventually they are not a threat. They only are consistenly a threat because there is so much conflict in the universe. That's it. And honestly, they aren't even much of a threat at this point in comparisons to the other factions.

dusk patrol
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In the absence of another faction, the Orks just fight each other

crisp heath
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That would never produce enough energy for them alone

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They need the other factions warring

dusk patrol
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You’re just wrong

crisp heath
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Prove it

dusk patrol
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I’m not gonna look up specific examples, but we know for a fact this isn’t how it works

crisp heath
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Riiiight

dusk patrol
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I’m driving into work right now so zero interest but you’re just wrong

crisp heath
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Lol 0 interst but your texting while driving anyway

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Don't wreck now

dusk patrol
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If you could find me some examples of or withering and dying because there’s no other factions around that be great

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Yeah, if only there was some technology where I could talk to my phone and it would type things out for me

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Unfortunately, we’re just not that advanced yet

crisp heath
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It's stated they grow off the conflict in the universe. That's their sustenance. I.e. take away their sustenance, what happens?

dusk patrol
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Yes, they grow off of conflict

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Any conflict, including in fighting

crisp heath
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That still would not produce enough energy. They barely have enough when every faction is fightin

dusk patrol
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Based off what?

crisp heath
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You think they'd have enough if it was just them?

green loom
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They typically do

dusk patrol
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They literally just produced by existing on worlds

crisp heath
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The fact they need miracles to pop out for them to do any lasting damage. Like The Beast

dusk patrol
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Eventually, that reaches a critical mass and then leaders pop up and they’ll start fighting each other

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That’s why the term feral orc exists

crisp heath
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Them as a faction alone fighting could not produce enough conflict for their Warghs. Plain and simple. In a peaceful universe, the only fighting they'd ever do is infighting till they died out

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They might Wargh on each other for a bit on whatever world they're on, but that's about all they'd muster

dusk patrol
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And what are we basing this off?

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Where do you think all these giant orc masses come from?

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If you could just let them die out by leaving them alone on worlds, they wouldn’t be an issue

crisp heath
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The fact that the universe has been in constant conflict feeding them and they've only been able to muster a handful of decent wargs

dire apex
crisp heath
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Take all the conflict away and boom, they can't do dick

dusk patrol
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Based off what?

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Do you even have a reference for them withering away when there’s no conflict

crisp heath
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The fact that it is stated and you agreed earlier that they grow and gain sustenance off conflict

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So, vice versa means?

dusk patrol
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Yes, which is why they create the conflict no matter what

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Orks love fighting each other

crisp heath
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But if the other factions stop fighting, they can do nothing about that lack of conflict

green loom
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They just go and fight the factions then

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Or go back and fight eachother

dusk patrol
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Yes, they can. They can just fight each other.

crisp heath
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So they themselves would have to produce a galaxies worth of conflict on their own

dusk patrol
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Do you think orcs don’t fight each other?

outer wave
crisp heath
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I do think they do
I just don't think that's equivalent to every other faction also fighting at the same time

dusk patrol
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Why?

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Why would it even matter?

green loom
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Wait do you think all conflict at once feeds all orks everywhere

rocky gale
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When we say they are sustained by conflict, it means fighting makes them stronger. Not that they are empowered because the Imperium is fighting the Tau

dusk patrol
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If they grow off conflict then why does it matter if they fight each other

shadow plover
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orks don't magically get more powerful if someone else is fighting something else somewhere else

dire apex
crisp heath
rocky gale
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When an Ork fights the Orks fighting become more powerful, not conflict in general empowering all Orks

shadow plover
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fighting themselves is just as good as fighting others

green loom
outer wave
dusk patrol
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They keep fighting until they get big enough where they produce mekboys and leaders who can achieve space flight

verbal path
dusk patrol
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^

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Orks who are kept imprisoned get fat

dire apex
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If it were the case every ork would be as big as a war boss

dusk patrol
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And depressed

storm jungle
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i do like it though, shame it got deleted

dusk patrol
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True

outer wave
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I consider it canon

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Don't @ me

storm jungle
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@outer wave

outer wave
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FUCK

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Noooo!!!!

dusk patrol
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Got his ass

outer wave
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My weakness.....

storm jungle
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dab

outer wave
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😭

rocky gale
dusk patrol
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Anyways, it’s well observed in universe that Orks can fight each other and grow just fine

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It’s why the Imperium will go after feral Orks on worlds which don’t matter

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Eventually they will become an issue

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It’s why they’re impossible to keep down

storm jungle
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Also speaking of fighting each other just an FYI please keep it civil, I don't wanna time out anyone, if it gets heated just "lets agree to disagree"

dusk patrol
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I challenge him to a duel

crisp heath
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Considering something Canon and it being so are two separate things...I've at least been consistent in that I'm only theorizing on how I was told the orcs work... I guess I was wrong in that aspect and I apologize. Thought it was the latent conflict in the universe and not them fighting personally themselves that generalized the size of orcs, and then within that there was a hierarchy... I apologize for being wrong on this

storm jungle
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It happens.

dusk patrol
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Well I can appreciate that

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I still want to duel though

storm jungle
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ah shit 💀

dusk patrol
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Ten paces at sunrise

storm jungle
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But also yeah 40k has like a VERY SMALL number of material that is non-canon

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you can count them in like a single hand

dusk patrol
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40k is shockingly good at being consistent for a universe as old as it is and with as many authors

crisp heath
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@storm jungle lol that's just because everything else is left up in the air

storm jungle
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^

dusk patrol
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It has its issues

storm jungle
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Also yeah lol

dusk patrol
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But it’s impressive

storm jungle
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like retcons exist but those are also rare

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for example when Dawn of Fire launched i think GW did a massive time fuckup?

crisp heath
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"Is it Canon, is it not? Find out never, next time on Dragonball40k"

storm jungle
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so they actually recalled the opening novels and edited some text

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i still have my wrongly dated one lol

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I think it was something about how long the Indomitus Crusade lasted

dire apex
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47th millennium, the crusade has just reached terra

crisp heath
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Pfft did it really say that?

misty widget
dire apex
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Idk just making that up

crisp heath
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Oh lolol

verbal path
storm jungle
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^

verbal path
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Since uhh

storm jungle
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@misty widget

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that

verbal path
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Oops, a lot of named characters should be dead

green loom
# misty widget Why’d it end?

Imagine pre Indomitus imperium as like a big fire centered around a large grill
The Indomitus crusade is more or less a large bucket of water that pops out the fires around it, but the grill is still on fire

storm jungle
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it ended after the Battle of Raukos

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and Guilliman actively announced it

misty widget
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So is the rift still as big as ever?

dusk patrol
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Theres a lot of value to how closely and anally GW makes sure other companies get their IP right, even if their quality control doesn’t always work

storm jungle
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the Ind Crusade was more of an attempt at reclamation

dusk patrol
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Like for the card games if you ping the staff for the company about a lore issue with a card description they’ve fixed it in game multiple times

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Cause otherwise GW gets on their ass apparently

green loom
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The Indomitus crusade more or less just existed to fan the flames in Sanctus

misty widget
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Whos Controlling that tiny little non fucked up port in the rift rn? Is it still contested?

versed ledge
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let's be honest, some imperial radio jockey is doing this

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green loom
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That's contested

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The Rift War is pretty massive

dense salmon
dusk patrol
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It’ll likely lead to Guilliman passing into Nilhius

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And meeting the Lion

green loom
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Chief defenders are the Castellans of the Rift with a whole massive grouping of random Imperials that either answered their distress call or ended up there by accident

misty widget
green loom
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They've got active stealer cults, a chaos invasion, a xenos invasion

dusk patrol
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Little bit of everything

misty widget
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What’re the flesh tearers and templars doing these days?

dusk patrol
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Black Templars are everywhere

storm jungle
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fighting and killing

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nothing new

green loom
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Flesh Tearers are trying to make it back to Cretacia I think

misty widget
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Huzzah

dusk patrol
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Flesh Tearers idk if we know recent conflicts

green loom
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We're getting a new novel about it too yeah?

misty widget
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Ooh?

green loom
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Or is that old

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I forgor

dusk patrol
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I got no clue

outer wave
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Guys what would you do if they announced Warhammer 80k tomorrow?

dusk patrol
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Find you and beat you up

outer wave
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Good

dusk patrol
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With a pool noodle

outer wave
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Damn

green loom
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Ah here we go

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It released earlier thsi year

misty widget
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the mp3 is the audio book right?

green loom
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Ye

misty widget
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I may buy that got too many books to read, would rather listen too it.

dusk patrol
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Can’t recall if it was recommended or not

misty widget
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Ehhhhhh

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Now ya got me neutral

dusk patrol
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I don’t think I heard anyone say it was bad

molten swan
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The audio novels are nice, especially the ones with gun sounds and stuff in them

storm jungle
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audio dramas are also pretty good

dusk patrol
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I can’t recall any which aren’t good tbh

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Just brief sadly

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The voice actors always nail it

remote blaze
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They are hit or miss

storm jungle
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also 90% of them being space marines

remote blaze
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Siege novels are glorious, The torchbearer series is good

storm jungle
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Siege is pretty hit and miss

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Mortis Moment

dusk patrol
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Mortis does have some really kickass moments though

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But yeah it’s definitely one of the weaker ones

remote blaze
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Miss are the one's like Void Lord and King of the Spoil

storm jungle
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googles

dusk patrol
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It doesn’t help it’s surrounded by the best ones

arctic talon
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King of the spoil

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Is fucking peak

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I am not biased

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Read warhammer crime

dusk patrol
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Forges of Mars

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Best trilogy

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Fight me

storm jungle
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Warhammer Crime is PEAK

remote blaze
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Warhammer crime is great, King of the Spoil is a mid slog

dusk patrol
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Oof

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Elite

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Sic ‘em

storm jungle
green loom
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Personally I think all books are boring

dusk patrol
arctic talon
dusk patrol
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I’ll end, and it’ll look like an accident

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But I’ll take credit anyways

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Cause I want everyone to know it was me

storm jungle
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re-reading the End and the Death vol2 and man

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Abnett needs to learn to let his editors do their fucking job

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but thats like asking for fire to melt so

molten swan
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I have an ork audiobook which the narrator talks like an ork the whole time for, and the Gor Half-Horn audiobook, pretty cool to hear him talk

remote blaze
molten swan
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The necromundan Beastman bounty Hunter

dusk patrol
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He’s Abbett Unleashed now

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You can’t stop him

molten swan
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Abnett Supreme

storm jungle
dusk patrol
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He’s in his wizard phase now

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radiant lance
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30 year old Virgin?

dusk patrol
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Us mere mortals can’t even try

storm jungle
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Abnett is the ultimate white guy

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about the same as the rest of the siege of terra team

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Actual vitae womb clones

dusk patrol
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If you think Chris Wraight looks like a professor

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That’s because he is

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Also John French will cut a meet

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He don’t give a fuck

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Look at those eyes

remote blaze
# storm jungle Hes alright

He is a god among mortals, we should consoder ourselves fortunate to live in the same age, to breathe the same air.

dusk patrol
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He wouldn’t even feel anything

remote blaze
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But yes, he's alright.

green loom
storm jungle
storm jungle
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its a bit unsettling

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💀

green loom
remote blaze
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Look at the Primarchs and you'll understand. Bald is best.

storm jungle
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Horus Moment

vagrant fox
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Join the Bald Brotherhood or perish

storm jungle
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💀

tulip brook
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bald is bad*

green loom
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I agree with Abaddon, we should kill all primarchs

storm jungle
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Basilio Fo's plan is good too

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killing every space marine is an awesome idea

green loom
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Very based

storm jungle
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🤝

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a true chad for his time

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no wonder the emperor thought he was a monster

vagrant fox
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but i like gabriel seth

storm jungle
dusk patrol
storm jungle
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Eh same thing

dusk patrol
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He’s just malding that the Emperor was better at genocide than he was

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And he did it in style

green loom
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Dil you aren't supposed to post memes in fan art yeah?

storm jungle
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Yeah whats up

green loom
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Cus there's a meme in fan art staregryn

storm jungle
dusk patrol
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There do be

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ACTIVATE INSTANT KILL

green loom
celest dome
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Sadly meme has been infecting quite a few channels

storm jungle
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We mostly stamp it out

winter vessel
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Kinda reminds me of the Last Church, Uriah’s warning to Big E when he sought to remove every influence of Religion

storm jungle
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god

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Redditor the Book™️

dusk patrol
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I hate that story

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It’s like, not even intro to theology

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Both their arguments are so basic

storm jungle
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Anything that makes the emperor look dumb is a win in my book

crisp heath
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So... question, I really like this guy's narration stuff. But idk where this is from, and it almost sounds like Lorgar literally admitting he made up the whole the Emperor is a God thing. That he knowingly made it up I mean. Like he didn't believe that. But needed others to believe it for his beliefs to work?

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He does some other really good quotes and speeches too

storm jungle
dusk patrol
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That’s Lorgar coping I believe but I can’t recall what that’s from

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The guy does do a good job yeah

vagrant fox
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Not a single word of what Lorgar or Erebus say is ever true angymorrow

crisp heath
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@storm jungle awesome! But is it true I guess?

storm jungle
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I mean kinda

dusk patrol
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But Lorgar had some hardcore cope after the fact

storm jungle
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Lorgar was right at the end of the day

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the Imperium was dumb and did worship the the Emperor

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mostly because the Emperor was also a dumbass

crisp heath
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Lol more like self fulfilling prophesy

storm jungle
storm jungle
green loom
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Emps did arrive like a literal golden god to Colchis right?

dusk patrol
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Lorgar was primed to worship already

crisp heath
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Just adds a bit more conniving I guess to his character if he purposely placed it to start the cult. That's some emperor level planning almost

winter vessel
# dusk patrol I hate that story

Hmm, I liked it. I thought it was both sides making relevant statements. At least, coming from someone who stopped following religion but still believes in a higher power.

dusk patrol
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Most or all primarchs had some awareness of someone looking for them

plush mason
dusk patrol
crisp heath
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This would have been much later after they'd been found...

dusk patrol
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McNeil isn’t a theological scholar or anything which is fine

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But he probably shouldn’t have tried to write that short

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It’s all just, very basic arguments

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Painted as being profound

plush mason
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clearly the emperor never heard the expression "if it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck its a duck"

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"it looks like a god acts like a god its a god"

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literally just how the human brain works

storm jungle
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they try to explain that bullshit in the Death and the End too

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"Oh WE KNEW he looked like a god but lol lmao"

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yeah a bit too late to make up excuses at this point

tulip brook
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it's a chronological problem with the setting

storm jungle
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a chronological problem as old as time

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aka lazy writing

tulip brook
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they started out as the god emperor sitting on a golden throne

dusk patrol
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There’s always some elements I ignore with heresy writing

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As much as I love it

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Early stuff especially is

vagrant fox
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That's just how you should treat 40k in general imho

tulip brook
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they had to adapt his character to that ending

dusk patrol
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A lot of “we need this to happen so people will just do stupid things until this happens”

dusk patrol
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Some books have huge issues with the author not thinking characters through at all

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Others their motivations and reasons make a lot more sense

vagrant fox
#

I still pretend most of the War of The Beast doesn't exist

dusk patrol
#

We all do

plush mason
dusk patrol
#

I think the premise is fine

plush mason
#

"start how you intend to end" kinda deal

dusk patrol
#

The issue is, and as much as I love him ADB suffers from this badly, they don’t give him logical reasons for doing things

#

Like Angron and Monarchia are just goofy

#

the whole “hah he doesn’t want be seen as a god but he’s appearing in a ray of light” is just silly

#

You can have the same stuff happen with less goofiness

tulip brook
#

same thing with lorgar. he has be the narrative tool to explain how religion is on top of everything in 40k

dusk patrol
#

They just needed to think things through for why people were doing stuff but

#

It’s whatever

storm jungle
#

Angron's thing is dumber the more they try to explain it later in the book.

"Oh this STC torture-device is wrapped around his spine if i remove it, it will kill him"

dusk patrol
#

It works well enough, I enjoy the stuff

storm jungle
#

Meanwhile the Emperor is a literal master at biomancy

dusk patrol
#

Yeah it’s

storm jungle
#

and can shape his or anyone elses body to look like anything

#

lol

dusk patrol
#

It’s really really nonsensical

storm jungle
#

yeah

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the more they try to patch it the worse it gets

plush mason
#

and like. why did he have to fuck over Angron from the start?

storm jungle
#

Literally no reason

dusk patrol
#

I get that they need it to be unable to remove

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Yeah there’s 0 reason for him to not help him

storm jungle
#

its one of the few parts of the Heresy the authors TRIED to explain but they just couldnt make it work

vagrant fox
#

Didn't they handwaive it with something about STCs being handed over if the planet surrendered peacefully

dusk patrol
#

The High Riders would have capitulated no matter what

#

And also, primarchs are worth more than a world anyways

plush mason
#

there was no reason for him to let Angron's friends die and there was no reason to ally with his former slavemasters

dusk patrol
#

The reason is ADB wanted Angron to be sympathic

#

And he didn’t come up with a good reason why the Emperor would do that

remote blaze
#

Angron was a lost cause

dusk patrol
#

Same thing with Lorgar

remote blaze
#

Should have vented him and given the legion to Rus

dusk patrol
#

But it’s how it is

plush mason
#

Angron losing his mind to the nails would have been enough. the other stuff made it so we only ever see Angron as a hate and rage filled brute

dusk patrol
#

It does get better as it goes on at least

#

But that’s my main complaint

#

I don’t care if the Emperor is evil

#

But he should also be like, Machiavellian enough to know to do stuff like that

#

We literally see him do that with other primarchs

plush mason
#

Angron starting out as a good leader to his legion and slowing going insane to the nails with no way to stop it would have been so much better for his character

dusk patrol
#

He does what he need to get them to like him or win them over

remote blaze
#

He isn't evil, just another man with purpose and capability.

If you don't align with that purpose then you meet the capability. Perspective and all that.

dusk patrol
#

Like with Ferrus he has a throw down cause he knows that’s what Ferrus would respect

#

With Vulkan and Russ he plays games and shit, competition

#

And so on

tulip brook
#

emps be like: "I know you are killing and torturing your legion. I know these nails won't let you think and killing you. You'd better go back to your legion I guess you can just die in a ditch with them."

remote blaze
#

Emps needed shock assault troops

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He would have killed them all after anyway. Would have been nothing but blueberries, wolves and secret knights in the end.

storm jungle
tulip brook
#

he could keep angron in terra and give his legion to sanguinius or someone else

storm jungle
#

the "hes doing it for the greater excuse" is not warranted

plush mason
dusk patrol
#

I don’t think there’s much to support he would have destroyed them

#

Some maybe

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Like the World Eaters, just send them to die

remote blaze
#

Thousand Sons were flawed, once they were no longer useful he was going to burn them all and give Magnus the Grey Knights.

storm jungle
#

which they were kinda doing

dusk patrol
#

But it’s not like his Empire wouldn’t need them still

storm jungle
#

^

dusk patrol
#

And most were stable

storm jungle
#

Also again FYI

verbal path
#

Pulling back the veil and trying to write the Emperor was a mistake

storm jungle
#

all this "lore"

#

was made up later

#

for patching plotholes

#

or just "why did the Emperor do this"

dusk patrol
#

It’s honestly crazy that it works as well as it does narratively

tulip brook
#

he could go like: "ok this guy is dying, I can't do anything about it. Hey chicken boy you did great at rehabilitating maniacs, lend me a hand with world eaters too"

brisk vine
#

Maybe the Emperor is just a really bad dad

storm jungle
#

which is what 40k is all about

plush mason
storm jungle
#

"how do we introduce the Primaris marines"

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"Idk have them under mars"

#

about the same thing lol

remote blaze
#

Not just Mars lol

dusk patrol
#

Yeah but as you say 40k as a setting works fine for asspulls like that

#

Cause there totally could be

tulip brook
#

hey, they can't just say cawl pulled them out of his ass

warm notch
dusk patrol
#

I can and I will

brisk vine
#

He pulled them out of his mechanical ass*

#

Better?

verbal path
#

Cawl be like

storm jungle
#

lmao

storm jungle
storm jungle
remote blaze
#

Primaris were stashed all over, including on Cawls explorator...which is massive and yet somehow utterly unseen in ten millennia.

"Fuck it, we ball" is GWs lore style

plush mason
#

isnt there a name for characters like Cawl? ones that basically only exist to cover plot holes and what not?

storm jungle
#

I mean again

#

thats how 40k lore works

#

"make up an excuse"

verbal path
storm jungle
dusk patrol
#

It’s built so there could be all this crazy stuff everywhere

brisk vine
storm jungle
#

as per Genefather, Cawl can also just work with necron tech now somehow lol

#

he can just do anything

remote blaze
storm jungle
#

I dont think that was a serious question

remote blaze
#

The Corpse Grinders come after every fight to take their tithe.

verbal path
green loom
plush mason
green loom
#

Actually that'd check out, you usually make stew and shit out of corpse starch right?

tulip brook
#

gang, with a lot of bone saws and other saws

green loom
remote blaze
warm notch
dusk patrol
vagrant fox
storm jungle
plush mason
storm jungle
celest dome
#

Not all Corpse starch is made of human meat

storm jungle
celest dome
#

Some are Algea blocks

remote blaze
vagrant fox
#

I just blame Trazyn for giving him the basics for the luls as the kids say

verbal path
#

Anything edible is thrown into corpse starch. Plant matter, meat matter.

storm jungle
#

they go insane

#

thats their entire thing

dusk patrol
#

Pfft bit rude innit

storm jungle
dusk patrol
#

Maybe you are all the crazy ones

remote blaze
#

Are you really insane if you're rich? They're just eccentric.

storm jungle
#

Idk man i wish i could toss people i hate into meatgrinders

tulip brook
#

going insane is the most fashionable thing in 40k

storm jungle
#

about the same as IRL

dusk patrol
#

All the cool kids are doing it

remote blaze
#

I went insane over the summer. Talked to a squirrel that ended up being a rock, ate some bugs, wore shoes on my hands. It was wild.

verbal path
dusk patrol
#

Idk sound domesticated to me

tulip brook
#

pff amateur hour

plush mason
storm jungle
#

The Halo Devices were just things that makes you play Halo Infinite in your head

#

explains the resortment of cannibalism and going insane

#

💀

dusk patrol
#

Can I man not enjoy a succulent Chinese meal?

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plush mason
arctic talon
storm jungle
plush mason
#

hell id vote for him

dusk patrol
#

He looks a little sketchy but he does have a powdered wig

molten swan
#

What is the charge?? Enjoying a succulent meal??

dusk patrol
#

Hard to argue with that

#

GET YOUR HAND OFF MY PENIS

plush mason
molten swan
#

“SIR THAT IS MY PENIS, UNHAND IT” KEKW_ogryn KEKW_ogryn

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I love that video

remote blaze
molten swan
#

Halo devices are scary

dusk patrol
#

I gotta check, the Halo Device dudes stat lines in Rogue Trader or DH iirc were nuts

#

They were tanky as fuck

molten swan
#

I don’t know if they can die fully while they have the thing still attached

#

Can’t remember

plush mason
#

they make you hella powerful and near immortal

dusk patrol
#

They’re extremely hard to kill at least

remote blaze
#

Everything burns

molten swan
#

Very true, bring the inferno cannon

dusk patrol
#

Iirc they were comparable to Greater Daemon stat lines

tulip brook
#

honestly I wouldn't mind a totally sane person doing all these things willingly

#

that would be a good antagonist

plush mason
#

in the CRPG coming soon you get the option to wear a halo device as the rogue trader

dusk patrol
#

Well it starts willing

storm jungle
#

LMAO

dusk patrol
#

What could go wrong?

#

It’ll be different this time

remote blaze
#

Never understood why 40k has so many problems when solutions like "Volcano Lance" and "Vulkite Caliver" exist.

dusk patrol
#

I’m better

storm jungle
#

💀

plush mason
remote blaze
tulip brook
#

they exterminatus whole systems and problems just don't go away

storm jungle
remote blaze
#

That's uncalled for

plush mason
molten swan
#

Exterminatus generally isn’t just thrown around

remote blaze
#

Unless your name is Kriptmann (sp)

molten swan
#

Of course, there are some wackos that go on a spree and get put down

dusk patrol
#

Everyone got a plan until they catch a multimelta to the face

remote blaze
#

Kryptmann? Kriptmann? Crypt, Man?

plush mason
#

blowing up the whole damn planet is normally the last resort

tulip brook
#

get put down as in getting a very harsh worded letter

molten swan
#

Or considered rogue and literally put down

tulip brook
#

kryptman is still alive and well

remote blaze
#

Dear planetary governor, you are bad at your job.

Love, E

tulip brook
#

probably way too powerful to be put down by anyone in that sector

molten swan
#

Yes not kryptmann lol he’s very important despite his trouble

plush mason
#

nah kryptmann has the deathwatch helping him so he cant be touched

dusk patrol
#

I like Kardan Stronos’ take on it

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molten swan
#

Kardans pretty cool

dusk patrol
remote blaze
#

Kryptmann is dead, so is every other mortal character from yonder stories

storm jungle
#

Nah hes alive

dusk patrol
#

^

storm jungle
#

human special characters in 40k dont die

dusk patrol
#

The Deathwatch has him

molten swan
#

He’s 800 don’t worry (literally bones at this point)

arctic talon
#

Rejuvinat

#

Balling

storm jungle
dusk patrol
remote blaze
#

First Tyrannic was in the 700s, were in the middle of a 100+ year crusade that takes place at least 300 years later lol.

dusk patrol
#

No one with the round glasses is ever not evil

storm jungle
#

Yeah still

molten swan
#

Looks good for 800 damn

storm jungle
#

theres some humans in this setting that like like 900 years

dusk patrol
molten swan
#

He’s got that mega rejuv

dusk patrol
#

Humans live that long in 40k

storm jungle
#

the rule is unless the lore says they are dead, they aren't

dusk patrol
#

It’s a luck thing

#

But Kryptmann manages somehow

molten swan
#

Rejuv usually if you aren’t yknow, yarrick or some hero usually only takes you to like 400 iirc before things get wacky

dusk patrol
#

Yeah iirc it’s 300-400 when it’s luck after

#

Some live some don’t

remote blaze
#

Krypt is dead, Gaunt is dead, Yarrick is dead

plush mason
molten swan
#

Then you gotta start looking for crazier devices and stuff

storm jungle
dusk patrol
storm jungle
#

Yarrick is deffo not dead

plush mason
#

they have a lot of ways to prolong life in the imperium but only for the upper elite

dusk patrol
#

Yarrrick tbh we still don’t know for sure

warm notch
molten swan
#

Angron uppercut yarrick

storm jungle
#

Shut.

molten swan
#

🔥

dusk patrol
#

Kryptmann definitely isn’t

remote blaze
#

Ciaphus is alive because he is superior, all the others are dust by now. Rejuvinat doesn't give you a thousand years even in the wackiest side of 40k

storm jungle
#

yeah it does

#

like

#

rejuv literally works at the whim of the plot

#

theres no "rule"

plush mason
#

^

remote blaze
#

You have to be Farsight with a magic sword or Sinderman with a life sustaining suit to push that.

dusk patrol
#

Sinderman lived to to be like 1100 years old

remote blaze
#

His pants were special

tulip brook
#

until they are written dead, they are alive. even after that, there's still a chance they can pop up in a book somewhere

dusk patrol
#

Kryptmann can figure something out

#

The Deathwatch has a lot of crazy stuff

#

Great healthcare

molten swan
#

Kryptmann is probably like part 25 xeno species and part genestealer by now so who knows

remote blaze
#

I will however yield to the well established "vagaries of the warp" card that comes out sometimes

molten swan
#

Guys probably a space robot alien

vagrant fox
#

Kryptmann lives through sheer piety for sure

molten swan
#

How do you guys feel about the Tau auxiliary god?

remote blaze
#

For the Greater Good

storm jungle
tulip brook
#

Imma go full redditor on this. not every faction needs their warp gods

storm jungle
#

too late

#

money time

remote blaze
molten swan
#

I don’t think I like the Tau having a god either, hopefully big E snuffs her out

#

Psychic combat

#

It’s also a bit weird to me because it kinda sets up that’s there are like a ton of human auxiliaries, like enough to literally create a new god through their worship

dusk patrol
#

It’s not like a warp god is gonna make the Tau relevant to the galaxy still smh

tulip brook
#

they were just fine with their gundams. they don't need their kind of magic and miracles

dusk patrol
#

Tbh it’s not like they’re using it

#

It just kinda

#

“Help” sometimes

tulip brook
#

aka lazy writing

remote blaze
#

I would agree...if the Tau weren't going full Imperium and purging everyone that created it.

dusk patrol
#

I’m torn on it

#

I don’t like it

#

But it does make Tau fans mad

#

A real dilemma

remote blaze
#

Brought out the ugly side of the faction real quick, and they were plenty ugly before. Makes them more 40k

dusk patrol
#

Annoying ones online at least

remote blaze
#

Preaching acceptance and cooperation, immediately murder what they don't understand.

storm jungle
#

I mean what do you want them to do

molten swan
#

they stopped purging the worshippers after the most recent bit of assistance when the god trapped the death guard ships that were gonna invade in the warp

storm jungle
#

let mutated monsters run around

storm jungle
dusk patrol
#

Yeah well the Tau are not the good guys

green loom
#

TBF to the 4th sphere

molten swan
#

so prob gonna only get stronger sadly

storm jungle
#

Yeah they are just a better "alternative" for most people

green loom
#

They got flung into the warp

storm jungle
#

most people that say they wanna be a part of the Imperium dont realise they'd just be factory slaves

#

💀

#

"When does my shift end?"

#

"No."

remote blaze
#

Jk, I'd be a servitor in a week.

dusk patrol
#

Tau fans when you tell them the Tau also do fucked up shit and are willing to torture kids, experiment on their own people, and sacrifice anyone for their goals:

gasp

vagrant fox
#

I'd be such a great inquisitor, I'd just fly off and chill until I die

storm jungle
molten swan
#

i'll uhh be an orphan and get beat in the schola progenium then end up as an arbite and study law for 100 years or something

storm jungle
molten swan
storm jungle
#

like they dont do it on an industrial scale is the thing

green loom
#

My life wouldn't be much different

storm jungle
#

Same

dusk patrol
#

Sure but Tau fans online are insufferable so idc

remote blaze
#

They at least try to hide their bad, got that shiny color scheme and round buildings to cover it

storm jungle
molten swan
#

and etherals, nothing is wrong, serve the greater good ❤️

storm jungle
#

ill take tau chuds over imp chuds any day of the week

#

"Actually, genocide is pretty based IRL too"

dusk patrol
#

They’re both annoying

storm jungle
#

"Did you know that im half-roman"

#

Actual lines i heard

#

mfers say they believe in freedom then say Caesar's Legion in New Vegas was good

#

😩

molten swan
#

those are like the worst of the worst types lmao, but im sure they're out there

#

too many like the legion lol

dusk patrol
#

God forbid people just like, enjoy their faction without bringing down other people’s factions

molten swan
#

its not even rome its just evil

remote blaze
#

Look, I'm not saying I want to make out with Shadowsun...but if I happen to find myself there...

storm jungle
#

Liara Moment

molten swan
#

a fish person?

#

really?

#

for shame

green loom
#

I like the imperium cus

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outer wave
green loom
arctic talon
#

Yeah

#

They got hooves

molten swan
#

bovine fish people

remote blaze
#

Fish person or space elf that is not as pretty as you think. Not many great options

molten swan
#

(fish face)

storm jungle
crisp heath
#

For someone who has never played fallout anything, why are the legion so bad?

molten swan
#

they're just evil tbh

storm jungle
#

basically

green loom
storm jungle
#

they are people larping as romans

molten swan
#

like everything bad as rome

storm jungle
#

also do slavery

molten swan
#

turned to 11

storm jungle
#

^

#

also like

#

they got NO understanding

crisp heath
#

Fair nough

storm jungle
#

of how rome worked

green loom
#

But Dilara it's like

molten swan
#

they basically heard how rome was and were like oh yeah, thats cool

green loom
#

Higelian Dialectics and shit!

molten swan
#

(basically the kings)

tulip brook
#

hey, space elves look great. that's their thing

dusk patrol
#

Ok but counterpoint, they look cool

storm jungle
molten swan
#

also once caesar dies they'll become literally comically evil then have a civil war til they all are dead prob

green loom
#

I know it's Hegelian but the joke is they wouldn't know how to spell it smilecat

remote blaze
#

Cato Sicarius would do no such thing, how dare you impugn him.

(Remembers Damocles Gulf)

Fuck

green loom
arctic talon
storm jungle
molten swan
#

where would you guys live in 30-40k? Pleasure world? Macragge?

arctic talon
#

And when being evil is status quo might as well pick your favorite drip

dusk patrol
#

That being said

#

NCR Veteran Rangers

#

Fuck me sideways that’s drip

arctic talon
#

NCR peak drip

molten swan
#

I always went NCR as a kid

arctic talon
#

The riot gear is so good

green loom
#

I do love my NCR Bandolier Fatigues

molten swan
#

drip or drown legionaire

crisp heath
#

I feel like I really need to get into these other games. Rogue Trader is one of the table tops right?

arctic talon
#

They just look cool imo

warm notch
#

Oh boy is it time for the weekly Fallout New Vegas discussion in the Warhamme 40k chat?

green loom
crisp heath
#

It sounds like mass effect meets 40k lol

arctic talon
dusk patrol
rose thorn
dusk patrol
#

The game is based off that

molten swan
#

interesting choice

dusk patrol
#

Finally I can play an CRPG where I understand the rules before I play it

arctic talon
crisp heath
#

All these acronyms, Imma think yall are trying to teach me a new alphabet

brisk vine
arctic talon
#

Aside from eternal damnation

molten swan
#

eldar would be pretty chill prob yeah

arctic talon
#

Regarding the video game

crisp heath
#

I know what rpg means. The rest of those lolol are foreign

arctic talon
#

Same genre as baldurs gate 3

rose thorn
#

The end of Day of accession paints it in a pretty baller light

arctic talon
#

TTRPG means tabletop rpg

warm notch
#

Its a JRPG

molten swan
#

Macragge is pretty chill most of the time (like most of Ultramar when not being eaten by Nids (Rip Prandium)

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crisp heath
#

@arctic talon figured that much

brisk vine
#

Most places in the realm of Ultramar are probably pretty chill

green loom
arctic talon
tulip brook
#

In the corner of the galaxy irrelevant and untouched by war, far enough to not get influenced by imperium or raided by elves

rose thorn
brisk vine
#

I forget, is Voltoris actually within Ultramar?

#

Or outside of it?

brisk vine
molten swan
#

I'd probably live in Ultramar, and if I couldn't go there, i'd live on Olympia before anything goes crazy with traitors or whatnot

brisk vine
#

You don't need genestealers

crisp heath
#

Best imperial planet to live on thats named? Go!

rose thorn
#

Yeah but the upper class will still exist lmao

dusk patrol
rose thorn
#

Genestelaer cult worlds are at least free

molten swan
#

Macragge is up there on the nice scale

dusk patrol
#

You die young

brisk vine
molten swan
#

way up

dusk patrol
#

Never have to worry about anything

brisk vine
remote blaze
crisp heath
#

@brisk vine you don't get to choose your birth

brisk vine
#

I don't think being under the control of the whims of a genestealer cult is freedom

crisp heath
#

On average best planet for whole populace

brisk vine
green loom
#

The Spears homeworld sounds fairly chill

rose thorn
tulip brook
#

as a second son in vostroya

rose thorn
#

It’s weird

#

It’s more of an impulse and not a mind control

arctic talon
#

I’m suprised

crisp heath
dusk patrol
#

A little but

brisk vine
#

I would not want to live in a world that's basically planetary scale alien isolation run

dusk patrol
#

Not a ton

rose thorn
#

Unless you actually get mind controlled lmao

dusk patrol
#

And very modified

molten swan
#

arent they in a hivemind with the patriarch? they dont really have free will no? like even if they didnt want to serve, they would

celest dome
#

Broodmind

molten swan
#

Broodlord? whichever is the big boi

tulip brook
#

they do want to serve

#

that's how it works

green loom
#

The Breedmind

remote blaze
#

Zero free will, you serve the will of the Patriarch until the Hive Mind shows up

#

Then you're a snack.

arctic talon
brisk vine
crisp heath
molten swan
#

the episode on warhammer plus with the genestealer cult trying to escape the world as the tyranids came was pretty cool, I remember in an excerpt when the arbites basically had to go check like 10 ships that landed on their world full of refugees that ended up being genestealer cultists, sht got crazy

brisk vine
#

Why would you escape the glorious four armed emperor :(

#

Isn't this everything you wanted?

tulip brook
#

to spread the love

crisp heath
#

@molten swan wait... why would they escape? Don't they get subsumed into the tyranids?

molten swan
#

they wanted to continue the cult not die by the tyranids, some welcome them(and die), others try to run

crisp heath
#

I... thought that was the genestealers like, whole purpose?

molten swan
#

im assuming only the patiarch or broodlord knows about the plans to consume the cult once they arrive

#

instead of like awakening or whatnot the rest of the cult thinks

median marsh
#

their purpose is to find new worlds

green loom
#

They like to spread a lot of the time

crisp heath
#

To prepare a world for the nids?

dusk patrol
#

Yeah

#

They spread

rose thorn
#

Imagine the patriarch like a wifi router

dusk patrol
#

Send off splinter cults

rose thorn
#

Everyone uses the internet differently

dusk patrol
#

Also sometimes the fleet never arrives

median marsh
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the cycle is go out>settle>weaken the planet>attract the swarm>help the swarm>leave in search of new food

dusk patrol
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And they’re just kinda stuck waiting

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There’s no set path really for how they operate

molten swan
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also works that only like the most zealous try to sacrifice themselves to the fleet maybe?

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who knows

dusk patrol
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Beyond building up and trying to take over and/or attract a fleet

crisp heath
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Just what I thought

tulip brook
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sometimes they just can't take off and spend generations in hiding not being able to do much

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end goal is weakening the planet enough for invasion that may never come

median marsh
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most of them end up as biomass, just like the rest of the swarm

molten swan
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yeah if they get off the world before it dies it's just a bonus for them

crisp heath
median marsh
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its often a very eye opening moment for GSC when its their turn to return to the slurry pools

molten swan
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yeah they're like oh

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we're gonna get eaten too?

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not cool man im outta here

crisp heath
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I just figured they welcomed it I guess

tulip brook
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^

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hivemind and whatnot

crisp heath
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Like that was their whole purpose

molten swan
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some do but not all apparently

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also most cant get off world even if they want to run

median marsh
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they welcome the arrival but when victory draws near the hivemind basically leaves em

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as they are no longer required, except as sustenance

molten swan
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yeah I dont think they're under the control anymore

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when it arrives

crisp heath
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Do they realize what they've done and become?@median marsh

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Cause that'd be pretty metal

molten swan
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as I understand it basically yeah, less so like oh we're monsters but more so like oh, we're not gonna join them or ascend or whatnot like the patriarch said

median marsh
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a pyramid scheme except instead of your money being taken you get turned into soup

molten swan
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"we got lied to, time to get outta here"

median marsh
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Leopards ate my face party astonished when leopards eat their face etc

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funny enough, of all the horrid things in the galaxy, nids are technically the most neutral when it comes to murdering you

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theyre not doing it for pleasure or fun, they just want to eat

molten swan
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yeah just animals

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not evil or anything

crisp heath
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This is actually something I like about them

molten swan
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hungy

crisp heath
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@molten swan I disagree with this though

tulip brook
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worst case scenario, they may start eating butt first

crisp heath
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They aren't just animals

molten swan
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expand

crisp heath
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As a complete organism. The tyranid, because all nids are one nid, is extremely intelligent. So much so it might be more than any other consciousness aside maybe Tzeentch. There have been times when people have come in contact with that consciousness. The issue is, there's nothing on par with that for it to need to "war". Everything in the materium is so beneath it, we are quite literally just food to be consumed, mass to be added. But it is not an animal. It is capable of extremely calculated thought.

remote blaze
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It remembered the Blood Angels, it hates them.

molten swan
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I wouldn't call them anything else than an animal though, they're just a very very smart adaptable animal

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because youre an animal doesnt mean you arent intelligent or cant be

crisp heath
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So are we then....

molten swan
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we're animals after all

median marsh
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there is one librarian the mind hates with particular passion

molten swan
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Tigerius?

remote blaze
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Mephiston, lord of plot armor

crisp heath
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Then there is no distinction... consciousness is the distinction between animals and sentient beings...

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A tiger is a smart animal. A human is a sentient being. The scope of our thoughts and plans are vastly different

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Same applies to the Nids.

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They are not a simple tiger

molten swan
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of course, never said they are, but as I said, just because youre an animal doesnt mean you're dumb

tulip brook
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sentience is the thing. hivemind can be smart and it may have all the stuff coming with it but not the termagants people see

remote blaze
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A nid by itself is an animal, a nid under the influence is the Hive.

molten swan
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ye

crisp heath
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But there is a distinction used to differentiate animals from other beings, and your implying that it doesn't exist

molten swan
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No?

remote blaze
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I didn't catch the start of this, who am I against?

Fuck it, you're both wrong and dumb and smell. Boom.

crisp heath
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Yes. Because, although humans evolved from animals, we are not categorized the same, because we can consciously do stuff? Yea? So we aren't animals anymore.

median marsh
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we are animals

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tho*

molten swan
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we are animals

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I consider humans animals

tulip brook
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they are just worker ants with very specific reason and I'm pretty sure even for hivemind there's no implication it has ambitions other than biomass

molten swan
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very complex animals

median marsh
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we are mammals, primates more specifically

crisp heath
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We are. But there's a distinction used to separate us from animals, or any other being capable of similar things to us

winter pine
median marsh
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also traits that we thought uniquely "human" turn out to not actually be unique to us

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Chimps literally wage wars

molten swan
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fr

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chimp wars are crazy too

crisp heath
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Sure. Their getting there. It's a spectrum definitely.

molten swan
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making weapons and stuff lmao

median marsh
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Dolhpins, Octopi are insanely intelligent animals

tulip brook
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with how they are written, I consider a housecat smarter than most nids

remote blaze
molten swan
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100%

median marsh
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GW has been..very vague with nid intelligence

crisp heath
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Sure. Still not capable of the planning or thoughts we are.

brisk vine
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Chimps got to see some of the worst of the congo war

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So yeah

median marsh
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Jumping spiders are capable of planning

brisk vine
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They probably say humaning out