40k-lore-chat

[queen laurel]

[teal widget]

Wait there are female ogryns?

[green loom]

Yeah

[queen laurel]

Yeah

They are a thing

[teal widget]

I thought they're just artificially made brutes that have like flat barbie doll crotch

[green loom]

They just don't have an official look because I'm assuming the dudes are easier to sell

[queen laurel]

It's better be that way because i can already see the art from a mile away

[teal widget]

R34 Artists on their way to draw hot muscle babe fem ogryns instead of the canon one barely distinguishable from males

[queen laurel]

ogryns come from dangerous high gravity worlds, since they spend a lot of their time they just basically evolved

[winged jacinth]

One mold cheaper than 2 mold

[tulip brook]

they are common abhumans, there are worlds filled with ogryns

[queen laurel]

They evolve to be bigger and a lot stronger but not much on intelligence on a planet like that

You don't really need to read einstein's study on a book in a planet that's trying to eat you alive

[tulip brook]

that doesn't mean you can't either

[winged jacinth]

Ogryn worlds do not have school systems categorically which doesnt help their mental skills

[queen laurel]

They went back on more primitive aspects basically

[teal widget]

Yeah, being stupid doesn't seem justified unless their planets are somewhat oxygen deprived so the brain cannot function at high level

[tulip brook]

then it's problematic with their size

[queen laurel]

Considering they got to that size i'm pretty sure the place has a lot of oxygen

[tulip brook]

big boy needs big air

[teal widget]

Fair. No idea then

[winged jacinth]

Ogryn are dumb because they're funny ogre guys unfortunately

That is as far as it really goes

[teal widget]

GW probably didn't want them to be smart so there's a reason for space marines

[green loom]

No

They're dumb

[tulip brook]

they are warhammer ogre,

[arctic talon]

^

[green loom]

Because the imperium doesn't educate them

[arctic talon]

^also this

[green loom]

Per the imperial Cult they're supposed to be dumb muscle

[arctic talon]

They’re an easy lower class to keep

[queen laurel]

Yeah they are basically at the level of again the intelligence of a children

[green loom]

That's their role in society

[queen laurel]

And children can learn

Teach them properly and they will have decent educational growth

[median marsh]

The one psyker ogryn would be executed if not for inquisitor intervention

[arctic talon]

Ogryn can prolly learn fast

[green loom]

We know they're also fully capable of learning as of Prophet of the Waaagh

[arctic talon]

Given the chance to

Imperium would never allow that large scale however

[queen laurel]

They are systematically kept dumb because a smart brute is a defiant brute

[arctic talon]

They’re “inferior” so to speak

[teal widget]

Didn't the smartest ogryn count up to 10? I don't think it's just the lack of education if the smartest one of the millions doesn't know how many fingers he has on his hands

[arctic talon]

Nah, Nork famously can count to 10

But he isn’t super smart

He’s just very very very good at protecting people

[green loom]

It's less that they can't count and more that they normally aren't verbal I think

[arctic talon]

Smartest ogryn to date is the Psyker one

[queen laurel]

bully and bodyguard in this game has him beat

[teal widget]

HUH

[tulip brook]

if you want an administratum manager ogryn in your story, go ahead tbh, galaxy is vast

[arctic talon]

Because the inqusitor decided to have an acolyte start teaching her

[queen laurel]

Yeah a female ogryn psyker

[arctic talon]

She’s dead now

[queen laurel]

Cassia

[teal widget]

Isn't Ogryn Psyker literally just an imperium ork. Dumb as hell yet sometimes thinks of something and it happens

[arctic talon]

No

[queen laurel]

Nope

[green loom]

She could read and write and kept a journal

[arctic talon]

She was pretty dumb initially but

She learned fast

[celest dome]

The Drug ones yes, but natural born Psyker Ogryn are much smarter than usual

[arctic talon]

Not surprising seeing that ogryn learn how to use new equipment fast

[tulip brook]

iirc necromunda has pumped up ogryns with psychic powers

[arctic talon]

Ogryn are most likely very capable of learning

[arctic talon]

It’s via drugs but yeah

[queen laurel]

Yeah gun luggers are a thing

[celest dome]

But it's kind of a difficult point to use to gauge how smart Ogryn can be, as on averarge Psyker are smarter than normal already

[arctic talon]

There’s a full blown slave revolt rn

Going on in necromunda

With ogryn rn

There’s an ogryn that’s very intelligent

[queen laurel]

Yeah this is the thing imperium doesn't want to happen

So keep them dumb

They wouldn't realized that the thing they are serving is a shithole

[celest dome]

No, I’m Smarticus!

[arctic talon]

Yeah the imperium wants to keep ogryn stupid

In fact they want to keep most people stupid

Ogryn are just easier to oppress

[tulip brook]

abhumans*

[teal widget]

Ecclesiarchy is so good at it the people running it are the biggest morons in the universe

[arctic talon]

Nah normal people as well

It’s just abhumans especially

They’re a second class citizen in the imperiums eyes after all

Keep them stupid, keep them docile

[teal widget]

Btw, how hostile are the Craftworld Eldar to non-zealous humans/tau? Are there any like famous characters that could walk inside the Craftworld for some time or stayed there?

[arctic talon]

Craftworld eldar generally don’t like fighting humans aside from Beil’tan

But generally speaking there’s like almost no human in setting that would be allowed on board a craftworld mostly due to the fact that most humans are pretty xenophobic

And the craftworld eldar are also xenophobic in their own way

[queen laurel]

Yeah but they will definitely show more respect to you if you are less of a dumbass than a average imperial

[arctic talon]

Tbh

If you hate chaos enough

A harlequin will drag you into the black library

Which is technically a craftworld

Just a really creepy and quiet one

[teal widget]

Honestly I thought they first and foremost wouldn't let anyone inside due to their fear of said person getting to the soul crystals

[queen laurel]

That happened?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[queen laurel]

Damn

[arctic talon]

It’s happened to like 2 inqusitors and a sister of battle

At least

[arctic talon]

Getting to the infinity circuit would be suicidal

It’s the single most heavily defended place

In the entire craftworld

Along with the fact you’d have to go through the dome of seers

Which is filled with a bunch of psykers

[tulip brook]

out of all eldar, they are most likely to leave you hanging I wouldn't want anything to do with harlequins

[queen laurel]

Yeah if it doesn't get protected a doom of malantai moment can happen

It has every single soul in the ship

[arctic talon]

Oh absolutely not lol

But if they want to take you to the black library

You’re going to brazil the black library

[queen laurel]

The black library only has warhammer books i will be fine

[teal widget]

Okay I have 0 info on that. I know Harlequins have a silent god or something but why would they take anyone to the black library and what's the main difference between one and a normal craftworld?

Is it literally just a heavily fortified space library of hidden knowledge?

[tulip brook]

harlequin craftworld of library of warp knowledge

[arctic talon]

It is most likely the single most heavily fortified place the eldar posses, it’s in the webway and it has a literal god guarding it. It’s filled with knowledge about the warp and chaos

Breaking into the black library is beyond suicidal

You’ll piss off the harlequins, their god, the druhkari, the craftworld eldar

All at once

The durhkari less so

[teal widget]

Wait even dark eldar?

[arctic talon]

But some kabals/covens/cults are heavily connected to the harlequins

[arctic talon]

Yes

[teal widget]

Don't they hate their craftworld siblings?

[arctic talon]

Harlequins aren’t craftworlders

They’re the servants of the last living eldar god

And they’re absolutely terrifying to other eldar

[tulip brook]

there was a flavor like this too; Idk if it's still canon: https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Illuminati

[queen laurel]

There is one in the realm of nurgle to but you

Know

[teal widget]

I thought they were craftworlders who decided to serve a god and in turn he will protect their souls from slaanesh when they die

[arctic talon]

Isha is trapped in the forever box

[arctic talon]

No

[queen laurel]

You don't really have any way to save that one

[arctic talon]

You don’t get a choice

To become a harlequin

If you start getting those visions you’ll one day just find yourself in the webway

And you’ll become a harlequin

[teal widget]

So any Eldar can become one?

[arctic talon]

Yep

[tulip brook]

isha with papa nurgle, khaine as fragments, cegorach is free, ynnead is about to be born

[arctic talon]

They’re made up of druhkari, craftworld eldar, exodites, corsairs. Ect.

[teal widget]

Huh. Okay, back to the initial question then, why would they drag anyone to the black library? Somewhat said they might due so to you if you REALLY hate the chaos gods

[arctic talon]

To give them knowledge

To help better fight chaos

[teal widget]

I'm sensing it's not entirely consensual

[arctic talon]

It isn’t

Lol

And it’s not like the average person can fight back against a literal god abducting them

[tulip brook]

it wouldn't be that bad but it wouldn't be pleasant to be subjected to forbidden warp knowledge

[teal widget]

So, they just say "You love fighting chaos and we'll show you how to fight it better, like it or not"

[arctic talon]

You like fighting chaos, you aren’t super xenophobic, you’re coming with us to learn more

You either go willingly

Or you get dragged in by chegorach possessing one of the harlequins

[teal widget]

Okay, so what happens next? Do they ever let you go, do they put some soul spell on you so you don't spell the beans to others

[arctic talon]

They just let you go after you’re done learning

[teal widget]

Because it doesn't sound too bad and that's too good for anything eldar related

WOW

[arctic talon]

And if you fall to chaos

They’ll kill you

But that’s like

[teal widget]

I mean fair, anyone will do that

[arctic talon]

The harlequins are most concerned with chaos

[normal light]

S̵̅͊Ȅ̵̓R̶̯͆V̵̿̏È̷̈ ̴͊͑T̵̘͒H̸̔͝Ē̶͜ ̶͑D̴̉͐A̶̎̇RK GODS

[arctic talon]

And are busy doing something

[tulip brook]

see, this is all kinds of stuff about chaos, but even if you show a single sign of getting tainted, lights out for you

[teal widget]

So they literally just drag you to their bookclub, show how to show chaos a bigger middle finger and then let you go... I'm getting a feeling it would severely help humanity if it wasn't for church morons

[tulip brook]

sounds like they drag way more people in than they let out

[arctic talon]

Harlequins are generally also allowed on imperial worlds

[slate belfry]

the BL sounds like a dope place to live

[arctic talon]

And also yeah more people go in then out

[slate belfry]

why even leave lol

[arctic talon]

They might still be in it

They might be dead

Who the fuck knows

What’s going on in the clown library

Maybe they’re being shown some horrifying play that teaches them everything

[tulip brook]

you can always read the latest 40k novel too, neat place

[arctic talon]

Watching a harlequin play tends to cause emotional distress at best

And insanity at worse

[teal widget]

Some probably want to get all the knowledge so they stay in the library until they die, others do the same but only to stay inside an impenetrable fortress and die on their own terms and some are probably just batshit crazy and try to fightback which leads to them getting slaughtered

[tulip brook]

don't they have a play causes the audience to off themselves?

[normal light]

Want knowledge?

[arctic talon]

A few, but that one is rare

[tulip brook]

I remember reading something like that

[normal light]

LOOKS LIKE YOU WAS DRIVEN BY TZEENTCH

[arctic talon]

It’s only for chaos taint

Normally

It’s just a mass execution that isn’t painful

[teal widget]

I haven't read a single proper book which isn't a novel since I finished school my guy

[arctic talon]

Since it just makes your brain turn off

[teal widget]

No heresy here

[arctic talon]

Absolutely horrifying

But like far from the worst way of dying

But harlequins showing up in eldar society in general is considered a bad omen

[slate belfry]

chaos taint means youre screwed long term anyway so a bid at the library aint a bad deal

[arctic talon]

If a troupe comes to visit

Well

[tulip brook]

according to one hammer and bolter episode, I'm betting on black library being way safer than any imperium library

[arctic talon]

Tbh it is probably the single safest place in the galaxy

[normal light]

It is

[arctic talon]

Depths of the webway, heavily defended

[normal light]

because any Imperial Library doesn`t have literal God defending it

[arctic talon]

Has a literal god in it

[normal light]

and Lots of knife-ears

[arctic talon]

Only downside is it’s huge

So it’s prolly easy to get lost

[tulip brook]

I meant as having less chance to get influenced by a chaos god

[arctic talon]

Oh

Yeah prolly

[slate belfry]

just ask the pointybois for directions

[teal widget]

So, what are the options for the eldar? Find a way to make Slaanesh undo itself to have the freedom over their souls?

[normal light]

Nah they would not

[arctic talon]

Try to kill slaanesh is the big thing for the ynnari

[normal light]

also most of their homeworlds are now in EYE OF TERROR

[arctic talon]

But the eldar as a race are focused on survival

Craftworld eldar especially

Druhkari are uh

Focused on having a good time more lol

[normal light]

Drukhari have the numbers

[arctic talon]

There’s a lot of them yeah

[teal widget]

Can they procreate and birth new eldar with untainted souls (which would still be watched by slaanesh) or are they kinda like Necrons as in their numbers are only ever going down

[arctic talon]

Souls are gona go to slaanesh, wear a soulstone

[tulip brook]

untainted souls naah

[arctic talon]

Kids don’t get made without available soulstones

[normal light]

Cloning our beloved

[arctic talon]

For the craftworld eldar

The Drukhari just vatgrow more

It’s very rare to have an actual naturally born child

In Drukhari society

[teal widget]

Well I mean if two craftworld eldar give birth to a child will it be normal eldar and not dark? And can they even procreate or is it simply impossible due to the whole soul fuckery

[normal light]

Like wise only Humans, Orks and Nids are great at reproducing and can have numbers

[arctic talon]

It’ll be an eldar

[normal light]

Others aren`t able to do much

[arctic talon]

Dark eldar are weird since they’re practically their own race now

They don’t have psykers anymore

At all

But all eldar souls go to slaanesh on death

Excluding harlequin souls and ynnari souls

Unless you have a soul stone

[celest dome]

And those that enter the circle thingy no ?

[arctic talon]

Or you get revived fast enough

Around 2 days max for revival by a haemonculi

After that it’s considered too late

[tulip brook]

dark eldar while being alive, that's why they do the fun stuff to keep themselves rejuvenated

[teal widget]

Okay I also have no idea on that piece of lore too, how much of a soul do clones have? Are they only "artificial" in body or spirit too?

[arctic talon]

Clones tend to not have souls

Or have some weird issue

Where their soul is “damned”

Vargrown are not clones

It’s just an artificial womb

[queen laurel]

Wait they are not psychically gifted?

[arctic talon]

Drukhari are not psykers explicitly

[teal widget]

So clones just don't see the warp endgame. What about chaos tainted clones? Do those exist even tho there's no spirit to corrupt?

[queen laurel]

As in they don't have as much of a powerful soul as an eldar?

[arctic talon]

Their souls are still very bright

Odds are druhkari can be psykers

It’s just that the “gene” is somehow sealed away

Or atrophied due to lack of use

[arctic talon]

Chaos tainted clones exist

[tulip brook]

they are, even eldar keep those in check, drukhari has less defenses so they totally avoid using warp whatever

[arctic talon]

Fabius bile is the best cloner in the galaxy

[tulip brook]

or they can't at this point

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[queen laurel]

Damn

[arctic talon]

Either way druhkari break a lot of “rules” you associate with fantasy elves imo

No magical potential, love drugs, incredibly violent and brutal

Society is incredibly capitalistic and oppressive

[teal widget]

I mean, at least they still look like elves and are so in nature

[arctic talon]

Yeah they look like elves

[tulip brook]

uhhm, kinda similar to other dark elves?

especially in dnd

[teal widget]

lanky knife-eared long living arrogant asshole

[arctic talon]

Ehhh

Drow aren’t capitalist

[teal widget]

sounds like an elf to me

[arctic talon]

Also they aren’t absurdly violent and brutal

They’re like

More violent then average

[tulip brook]

warhammer being ridiculous is the charm

[teal widget]

Everything in 40K is violent

[arctic talon]

True

[teal widget]

Maybe Tau to a lesser degree

[arctic talon]

Actually Drukhari reproduction is less grimdark then drow reproduction

Don’t google it

Actually

But it’s fucking weird

[teal widget]

Sounds like a new google request to me

[queen laurel]

Hey Ferb i know what we are going to do today

[arctic talon]

Tau make any facist regime irl blush with how successful they are

[teal widget]

Gimme a minute

[arctic talon]

Don’t come crying to me when you learn what happens to twins

[normal light]

[arctic talon]

You don’t want to know

Trust me

[normal light]

I suspect some f*cked up shit

[queen laurel]

I have a smoother brain than you so don't worry i'm going to be funny

[normal light]

so I will live unknowing

[teal widget]

All I see is reddit posts about people asking lore for their campaign, could you send a link to this chat or pm it

[slate belfry]

or just say it lmao

[teal widget]

Nah, too compressed

[tulip brook]

the main thing separating dark elves from fantasy is the body horror stuff like talos engines and haemonculus, which makes the faction so cool imo

[teal widget]

if it's fucked up it needs some reading

[slate belfry]

gotcha

[arctic talon]

I’m just gona post an image of the excerpt

It’s weird

Gross

I hate it

[arctic talon]

I love the talos pain engine so much

Such a cool unit

[slate belfry]

lol

[queen laurel]

Shark gaming

[slate belfry]

it's so grotesque and absurd it wraps around to being funny

[normal light]

True

[slate belfry]

that story of the guy being made into a servitor remains one of the most chilling things ive read

[arctic talon]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/1/16/TalosPainEngine.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130216101808

[slate belfry]

adding to it is the fact this is just common imperium practice and people just shrug it off

[arctic talon]

This was human once(maybe)

[celest dome]

And they make toy Servitor, for children and all

[slate belfry]

thats rough lmao

would rather be a fucking pentitent engine at that point

at least you know youre going down at some point

[celest dome]

Penitent Engine look fun, in a weird way

[arctic talon]

Bruh I’d rather be a talos pain engine then a servitor 💀

[normal light]

Fuck it we ball in Dreadnaughts

[slate belfry]

the worst is probably chaos dreadnought

[arctic talon]

I’d have more rights as a talos

Is the worst part

[normal light]

Nuh uh

Like yeah Hellbrutes are pretty bad

[arctic talon]

Well treated pet at worse

[normal light]

but still better than servitor

[arctic talon]

Full on member of Drukhari society at best lol

And your whole job is just horrifically murdering people

[slate belfry]

imagine being Dreaded during the Great Crusade and you just so happened to be in a traitor legion too; mega blackpill

[arctic talon]

Or torturing them

[arctic talon]

There’s a world eater dread who wakes up to the legion post nails

And he’s uh

very surprised

[normal light]

The most sane World Eater?

[teal widget]

So the mother just screams "Fuck him up, Fetus #2!" like a drunk MMA fan in the front row while having the best оrgаsm of her life during a childbirth

[arctic talon]

He ends up dying with the librarius trying to kill angron lol

[queen laurel]

Fallout new vegas legion fans are going to sign up so fast for that

[arctic talon]

Tbh

[slate belfry]

based

[arctic talon]

It’s not even clear how like “conscious” the original mind

In a talos pain engine is

[normal light]

YOU BELONG ON A CROSS

[arctic talon]

But it’s also like one of the only ways for a human to reach a high place in Drukhari society lol

[normal light]

Just joking, Yesman is the way

[arctic talon]

There’s a talos pain engine that’s in charge of slave management

For one of the kabals

[slate belfry]

Kill Benny
Ignore the faction drama
Refuse to elaborate
Leave

[teal widget]

I missed the topic slightly. Is pain engine some kind of a dark eldar torture servitor that has most of his brains intact?

[arctic talon]

No

It’s a haemonculi flesh construct

Designed to inflict pain on its enemies

Usually made out of a human

[teal widget]

Oh

That sounds miserable to just exist as

[arctic talon]

Well

The human isn’t in pain

[celest dome]

@arctic talon Are Talos Engine made from Drukhari or not ?

[arctic talon]

It depends

[green loom]

The origin is probably irrelevant

[arctic talon]

They’re usually custom made to specification

[celest dome]

So they can be made from human

[arctic talon]

After the haemonculi is done they’re pretty indistinguishable

[arctic talon]

Yeah

There’s one in a kabal that loves revealing that fact

To the slaves it’s torturing

Truly peak

[teal widget]

At first I read haemonculi as something else which is incredibly worse, so I was slightly confused as to how that thing could torture someone

[normal light]

Yes but in my case >Fight him in the arena

[slate belfry]

very based

[arctic talon]

Haemonculi covens are hilarious

Prolly the most absurdly evil portion of dark eldar society

[teal widget]

Fucker shot me in the face with my hands tied, no way he's getting anything but a crucifixion

[teal widget]

Yeah I first read that as daemonculi

[slate belfry]

to think it's still very possible to live a normal life, have a family and die peacefully in this setting

[arctic talon]

Just gotta hope you aren’t born on a hive world lol

[teal widget]

Win a one in a billion lottery and be born on a heaven world as a noble

[normal light]

Anything besides hive, forge, death, primal world

is for you

[slate belfry]

and stay away from guys handing out weird books at the space port

[arctic talon]

Tbh primal world is just

Return to monkey

[normal light]

yeah but still more aggressive

[arctic talon]

True

[normal light]

Casual Agri-world Farmer setup would be good

[arctic talon]

Just has to be one that isn’t awful

[normal light]

Yep

[arctic talon]

But I enjoy dark eldar for how comically evil they are

[normal light]

You just don`t have to farm Grox shit or something like that

[arctic talon]

Also the fact that sometimes getting tortured is part of your revival contract

💀

Imagine getting brought back to life only to get tortured to near death again

[teal widget]

Pros to being a catachan: you have amazing physique, full natty, chicken, broccoli and rice diet, you have a lot of bros, girls are hot if you're into muscle

Cons: you'll probably be eaten by a bush at the age of 3

[celest dome]

"Why are you torturing us Xenos"
"It's just my job mate, and don't call me a Xenos, I'm human"

[arctic talon]

Lol

“Torturing’s a good job mate”

[undone zodiac]

Challenging work

Outdoors

I'll guarantee you wont go hungry

[umbral nymph]

Speaking of hungry, what does the imperium at large actually eat..like a typical hiver.dont imagine them going grocery shopping but they do have markets.. is there like an imperium cookbook floating around somwhere

I'll look into this now

[green loom]

Protein bars, cooked rodents, corpse starch

Bugs

Moss

[near wasp]

Mushrooms

[queen laurel]

Scrape

[umbral nymph]

Corpse starch I know is an emergency food product.. cannibalism is still actually frowned upon in the larger emprium, shocker right

[marsh berry]

Poxhounds is good eatin

[near wasp]

If you engage in cannibalism youll be executed

[umbral nymph]

I mean Agri worlds exist they still have some vegetables around

[green loom]

See: protein bars

[queen laurel]

The rich guys don't have problems having good food to be fair

[green loom]

If you're getting vegetables it's probably in an incredibly processed form or in a dystopian hellsoup

[umbral nymph]

Grimdark tomato soup

I'm gonna dive deeper into this , damn I need a pizza

[median marsh]

We don't get many descriptions of food stuff sadly, of the few I know one is Grox meat

Hiver diet depends entirely on their class really

Underhivers eat whatever edible thing they can get

Spire dwellers have access to pretty much anything

Etc

[umbral nymph]

I want my spire dweller chef cookbook

I like to think there's a 40k version of door dash for upper hivers

[median marsh]

For now it's basically an afterthought, authors can just invent random things as they please

[umbral nymph]

Dan Abnett should get on this

[median marsh]

Judging by darktide environments, bars are a thing so I bet there are some forms of fast food and so on

I'd personally love some comprehensive list of all imperial food and drink, and xenos too

[umbral nymph]

They have a market district even in the lower hive, so I would guess some sort of variety still exist.maybe even street food

Tyranid diet gonna be lit

[median marsh]

Nid diet is basically anything that has biomass

They even strip the soil

[crisp heath]

Well they eat a lot of people on hive worlds

[median marsh]

Delicious people

[crisp heath]

Gonna go get a double quarter pounder at the Necromunda McDonald's Brb.

[verbal path]

This is why you join the Guard and get good* food.

None of that corpse starch stuff.

[plush mason]

can a psyker hide the fact that he's a psyker?

[crisp heath]

Sometimes the games gets corpse starch to so

[crisp heath]

For a little while.

[plush mason]

what gives it away though?

[verbal path]

If they're untrained, eventual slipping up.

[crisp heath]

Any number of things, sanctioned psykers ment to find you, psychosis causing you to slip up, mutations..

[plush mason]

I see, thanks.

[umbral nymph]

People can passively feel someone is psyker with enough exposure. Why they move often when trying to hide

Same with blanks but VERY tuned up

But this can be also a way to mask this fact. Case in point is Jurgen from Cain novels

[umbral nymph]

Also depends which class of psyker you are. Lower classes tend to have an easier time hiding

[crisp heath]

So, yeah what they've said. A psycher is almost always viewed at with suspicion. Many that "hide" their abilities make money as fortune tellers or soothe sayers, and that can get them caught. A sanctioned psycher could feel their connection. The warp could cause psychosis, or worse an actual manifestation or portal. Basically at every turn there is a chance for the Psycher to get caught

The best analogy would be slaves running from Southern plantations, except for there ain't no north in the imperium they can get to for safety.

[verbal path]

Chaos

[crisp heath]

Also this. It has been shown that if a psycher can tolerate a blank, the blank can nullify his warp presence and help hide what he is

It's extremely uncomfortable for the psycher though

[plush mason]

Is there any good yt video or a tv show that covers psykers, specifically what was said above? The only thing I watched so far was some lore videos and hammer & bolter.

[crisp heath]

I'm honestly not sure....

[marsh berry]

Do blanks always know that they’re blanks?

Or is it like psykers where sometimes they’re totally normal presenting and then it just manifests one day

[green loom]

No

Jurgen doesn't know what a blank is

[crisp heath]

In the Dark Heresy book they present us a pre-made sector as you all know well. The Lord Inquisitor of this sector is secretly a psyker, a fact unknown to the other members of the Inquisiton. If a psyker could always detect another, there was no way for his "talents" to remain unknown to his fellow inquisitors - and probably he isn't a sactioned psyker either, cause if he was the other inquisitors would obviously know it (at least most of them). - so this was pulled from a forum

Idk how much you should trust it

[plush mason]

What about books?

[crisp heath]

But I believe the inquisitor could get away with it do to his blank

The Dark Heresy

[umbral nymph]

i can suggest a few youtube channels and a website

[storm jungle]

Lmao even Fatshark knew people Forgot about Wolfer

[outer wave]

Lol, lmao

Does that mean for a good while, he just wasn't doing anything?

I mean yeah he was imprisoned but still

[plush mason]

i wonder. just how high up is Wolfer in the 6th

he leads them in the hive but does he have bosses that are beyond it?

[storm jungle]

Very possible

hes just a Captain

[umbral nymph]

Wolfer is a Captain, and its implied the WHOLE Mobian 6th defected so theres definetly someone higher up

[storm jungle]

^

the only word we get of others is in Ascension Riser when Morrow mentions the "Moebian Command"

Wolfer is also definitely getting killed by us at some point

so theres gonna be replacement villains after him

[umbral nymph]

Inb4 wolfer is just another assasination mission

[queen laurel]

Yeah he's definitely just good at doing his job

cut above the rest basically

[outer wave]

The new villain comes and goes "Wolfer was a fool! I won't make the same mistakes like the weakling he was!" then dies to us in the same way

[umbral nymph]

EYO theyre adding actual Moebian gear to the store

Called it

Theres a 18TH regiment

[storm jungle]

ah yes the 40k way of story-telling

because unfortunately at the end of the day the Imperium has to win most battles/plots

[outer wave]

Sadge

[storm jungle]

ikr

like how Thanos won

but we can't have that for the next movie, so he loses

[crisp heath]

Why does this knife have a pattern on it that looks like something an edgier version of myself bought in a gas station during high school

[storm jungle]

its 40k

why are you even asking this

💀

the ENTIRE SETTING is something an edgier version of ourselves bought in a gas station during high school

though UK so I guess replace gas station with Pub

[median marsh]

Wolfer is most certainly someones pawn, he might not even realize it

His dialogue makes me think that he geniunely believes he is "liberating" the Moebian domain

[storm jungle]

Oh nah he is

the entire regiment believes it

Chaos is suppose to be like that

[median marsh]

I bet my butt that the voice on Vox is the main orchestrator

Possibly a daemon

[near wasp]

I like wolfers va

My money is on a low level daemon prince.

[plush mason]

cultists are not known for their reasonable minds

case in point

[undone zodiac]

Khornate cults

Cough cough

[crisp heath]

I need to see how nurgled wolfboy is

[plush mason]

the dregs that charge an ogryn with a heavy stubber across open ground with no cover

[crisp heath]

I gotta see the pus

[plush mason]

he has no nose and a face full of scars and boils

you can see his face in the prolog for just a few seconds

[crisp heath]

Oh wait was he the dude in the other cell?

[plush mason]

yup

[median marsh]

i got a pic, sec

[plush mason]

yeah

[storm jungle]

thats just me when I get up in the morning

pose and everything wtf

[plush mason]

he has no upper lip ether

[median marsh]

i give sales department the same look when they fuck up the same form 5 times in a row

[crisp heath]

wow what a hunk

[median marsh]

he recieved quite a glow up all things considered

[plush mason]

yes he did

[plush mason]

thats a carapace breastplate right?

[median marsh]

i think so yeah

[plush mason]

so it looks like he is now wearing a flak vest with a carapace plate over it

[median marsh]

oh only now i realized he changed his breastplate

its probably ontop of it, layered

[plush mason]

yeah

carapace and flak

[undone zodiac]

Its kinda weird how darktide shows carapace armour like old plate armour

[plush mason]

i have seen it like that a lot actually

the DKOK uses that style a lot

[median marsh]

you know what it reminds me of?

Solar Void Armor

one second

[plush mason]

yeah with the faceguard/collar

[crisp heath]

I looked up "carapace armor 40K" and got an image of a girl in bikini armor with a baboon smoking a cigar

should be canon

[near wasp]

Huh

[plush mason]

wtf

[soft thunder]

So yall see the moebian parade weapon skin text? Lord Constance Margrave seems like the current Lord Moebian. I had to take a second look for typos since his sister who's been mentioned once or twice, her name is Constant Margrave. I need to double check this a third time.

[median marsh]

i believe theres no like, uniform style for either flak or carapace, the most widely known look is kasrkin

[plush mason]

yeah there isnt

each world and each regiment has their own style

even the "cadian patterned" ones have their variations on the standard

[crisp heath]

I haven't read the new item descriptions, but might be the same person? "Lord" isn't always a gendered title in 40k

[plush mason]

rogue traders and navy ship captains are all called lord reguardless of sex

or specifically lord captain

[median marsh]

the first ever mention of tertiums ruler is from dev blog on moebian sixth

Lord Margrave of Atoma

our characters also talk about how nobles are disgruntled at how they handle this crisis

[crisp heath]

Constance would also be an odd name for a man, I've only heard it as a woman's name

[median marsh]

i think they say "he"

[plush mason]

afaik its like Taylor. nominally gender neutral but much more common for women than men

[median marsh]

On Atoma Prime itself, Constant Margrave becomes the Lord Moebian, the 13th of the family line to hold the office and rule the Moebian Domain. Lady Margrave, his sister, while officially subservient to her brother, also holds some power within the domain

From Luetins video

(he talked with FS about lore)

[plush mason]

ngl that is a badass title

"Lord Moebian"

[crisp heath]

Yeah I'm looking into it rn, it seems unclear at the moment whether Constant or Constance is Lord Moebian, but one is male and one is female, I'm sure it will be more obvious at some point

Or maybe there's some weird power sharing/body doubling thing going on?

[plush mason]

most likely uneasy power sharing

which was what allowed the cult to grow

the sibling rulers where too busy trying to steal power from each other to notice the rot infecting the hive

thats my theory atleast

[soft thunder]

Ya there is an inconsistency w/ the only ingame texting naming the Lord Margrave's sister and that Luetin vid

Soldier's Punishment Uniform: "While most grunts find upper hive political talk to be beyond dull, rumour and gossip about the doings of Constant Margrave - Lord's sister - are always in demand."

[crisp heath]

Isn't there also a civil war going on with Atoma's nobility right now?

It might be unclear who the leader is

[soft thunder]

there's always a squabble between barquette and margrave, but a cold war is possible, nothing is stated tho

There was a power play in M46, the last time the fringe wars flared up as they are now, The Margrave's took power from the Barquettes after they ruled for a milennia, built Tertium, and destroyed Atoma's biosphere. The Barquettes took power from the original Lord Moebian House, alongside other noble house in a "Victorious Alliance".

But ya there is definitely a power player by one of the noble houses atm in Tertium. Assisting the traitor's w/ access to the Archivum Sycrax, and assumedly, recalling the Moebian 6th, smuggling stimms, etc

[storm jungle]

Damn dude

You should put this on the lexicanum

[soft thunder]

bruh I wrote this entire page over the last 2 weeks lol https://warhammer-40k-darktide.fandom.com/wiki/Tertium#M37-M41_Charting_Time

[storm jungle]

DAMN

[soft thunder]

Transcribed the entire luetin vid too

[storm jungle]

Very nice even if its fandom wiki, official has too much red tape i guess

[soft thunder]

and take a look at the commodore's vestiges pages to reference any items XD

it's just a public google doc to me

[storm jungle]

Proper dedication

[jovial loom]

Pls, my boys Finhreht Highlanders

[ionic rapids]

Who that

[cosmic geyser]

Concordantly, if he didn't do what he did, humanity would exist as Demon slaves by the year 31,000

[ripe mango]

is this AA auto cannon?

it call to skyfire

[verbal path]

Ya, looks like regular hydra flak guns

[plush mason]

the imperium has some impressive AA

like holly fuck an imperial fort is just covered in AA guns

[winged jacinth]

If you're an imperial engineer and you design something that cant be described as "bristling" they turn you into a servitor

[crisp heath]

So lasguns don’t really look like they pierce through carapace armor so I’m imagining they definitely don’t get through space marine gear, so how does a lasgun unit kill a marine?

Does the heat just melt then from the inside or something?

[verbal path]

Lots of shots may get lucky and hit joints and weak spots

[green loom]

Enter the concept of critical mass

One lasgun is whatever, a hundred is scary

[verbal path]

One lone guardsman toting a lasgun may not kill him but a squad of 10? The marine will roll some 1s eventually.

[green loom]

Also there's weakpoints between their plates

Eventually they'll hit something, or wear through the armour

[crisp heath]

I was wondering like, if 100 lasgun shots all hit but do nothing it’s still useless, but like yeah if they’re are weak spots a critical hit will happen eventually

Cool

[verbal path]

Well, eventually they'll just brute force melt through with enough lasguns

[copper patrol]

las guns are also pretty nuts vs anything that isn't crazy 40k stuff

unarmored humans,eldar,tau getting shot with one is about equivalent to a 50 cal iirc

[storm jungle]

Nah thats overblowing it

it has about as much power as a normal gun, but you know, its a laser, so more scorch to it

[copper patrol]

is it just a writer thing(like ever inconsistency in 40k) i've always heard that lasguns where very effective vs non bullshit stuff

[arctic talon]

Unarmored anything except Orks is gona have a pretty bad time against Las weapons

Especially since it flash cooks crap lol

[verbal path]

They're very effective logistically compared to normal guns

[molten swan]

Usually hits in weakspots like the eye lenses or other really lucky shots, if you have an overcharged lasgun you can hurt them too

In other news, my ogryn talked about Grendyl being taken by metal men and apparently having stuff put in his brain (mind shackle scarabs?), Ogryn is probably just crazy

[arctic talon]

funny

This is the second time the ogryn has mentioned mind shackle scarabs

if its not about morrow again

[storm jungle]

I do like how nobody ever drops Necrons by name and that is like the only interaction ingame about em lol

[molten swan]

ogryn too dumb to say necron probably

works both ways

[storm jungle]

its more that necrons are a myth to most imperial fighting forces

meanwhile Loose Cannon has said that he has fought orks, tau, etc

[near wasp]

I heard a line "the grey knights are a myth, they dont exist"

Dont know which voice or class says it though

[lunar harness]

the emperor in 40k is nagash in oldhammer

now u know

[arctic talon]

Nagash is a lot more evil tbh

[storm jungle]

yeah Nagash is comically evil

[celest dome]

Ok, but which is more inept ?

Emp I'd say

[arctic talon]

Nagash is more of a jobber

With how much he fucks up

[molten swan]

Nagash easily

Leaving Settra alive proves he is dumb

[green loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfXefeFtVKs&ab_channel=Relaver

poor Cadian vet

[crisp heath]

Mah poor man has seen too much shizz

[arctic talon]

Suffering builds character

[crisp heath]

Ayy ayy commissar sir

whispers: "He knows most of us are meth addled, shell shocked, traumatized ticking time bombs teetering moment to moment between undying glory for the emperor and the depressing longing for a quick death over this slow one? Right?"

[arctic talon]

Lol

[warm notch]

Cadian vet is all bark and no bite. They’re all pretty soft underneath lmao

Or maybe that’s only towards Ogryn (I mean, who can be mean towards them?)

[snow fern]

The cadian vet truly means well, just a lot of frustration to get through, I’m glad there is more compassionate and patient voices though like Judge or Savant. Leads to some nice convos

[molten swan]

Life probably sucks a bit when your world blows up (couldn’t be me)

And when you wake up everyday and have to go fight some alien monster (most likely), no time for dreams, just survive

[zenith sinew]

I think their character has a lot more depth than people give them credit for. He's not just being an asshole for its own sake, he's just ludicrously emotionally scarred, thinks his harsh absolutist mindset is what keeps people alive in combat, and is frustrated that the others can't see it.

[snow fern]

I agree, the character is written well

[storm jungle]

I also love how people pre-release were hyped to play a trauma-ridden Cadian

then they see hes a trauma-ridden Cadian, and say hes annoying and hate him

Classic 40k

[snow fern]

I remember a meme about video game development and it had a figure representing a player shooting eye lazers as a lovely cake screaming, “I hate video games!!!” It reminds me a lot of this situation

You give somebody exactly what they ask for, and they’re still somehow disappointed

[storm jungle]

holy shit literally me

[storm jungle]

That is the motto of this entire game's fanbase.

anything they do it will get bitched about

its the entire reason I completely about the subreddit

[green loom]

I kinda regret not picking him ngl

[solid valley]

can anyone explain the navigator household minis from a lore pov
i tried to find more than just the minis but came up empty
alot of them look cool

[storm jungle]

I made a slot for all 4 classes, I spent the 5th on a second Veteran for Cutthroat

his VA and performance is just that good

[green loom]

I might do that then

Do all cosmetics carry over?

[storm jungle]

Yup

the only thing that doesnt carry over is gear

[green loom]

Okay then yeah

[storm jungle]

you start with basic stuff

otherwise money, gear, etc all there

[storm jungle]

They don't really have minis minus like 1-2, they aren't an army option.

[solid valley]

i meant this stuff its all labelled as "navigator household"

[storm jungle]

Thats... uh

[near wasp]

Im saving my fifth in case a new class gets added (it will remain empty forever)

[storm jungle]

Lmao

[marsh berry]

Yo these are rad as hell

[storm jungle]

those are kitbashed custom models

[solid valley]

ah

they look really cool

[storm jungle]

Yeee

[snow fern]

The navigators in lore are like abhuman royalty due to their complete necessity making them mostly untouchable by higher authorities. Not psykers technically.
The kitbashes are neat

I am a shade curious what would’ve happened to navigators if big e actually completed the webway project, they aren’t chaos incidents waiting to happen so maybe they’d just be left alone? Certainly would lose their privileged status, or would become popular in smuggler circles that may still use gelar fields

[storm jungle]

the Navigators Houses were already a threat due to the Webway project making them obsolete, im pretty sure some even attempted to sabotage it after learning of it under-wraps.

[sacred ginkgo]

I thought they made rules for all the blackstone characters

[warm notch]

I'm sorry, but I have to ask:

Wouldn't carrying yourself in such extravagant and heavy robes be burdensome? lmao

Especially that headdress . . .

That can't be comfortable

[arctic talon]

@gritty glade boop

[warm notch]

IK its "rule of cool" and all but still 😭

[gritty glade]

We can't make a thread here?

That would be good since it's still not technically 40K lore

[green loom]

Fear da Everdank, the bad moon comes for all!!!!

[arctic talon]

Tbh it’s better then filling #theorycrafting

[green loom]

Yeah and no one annoying tends to come here anyway

[gritty glade]

true, but to be completely honest I'm also pretty much out of questions

Thanks for all the answers

[arctic talon]

👍

[gritty glade]

I'm definetly gonna have to check out the RTS when it comes out

AoS sounds dope

[green loom]

It's out isn't it

[arctic talon]

It’s a very cool setting

[arctic talon]

If you buy the expensive edition yeah

I think

I’d wait for more reviews

The PCGAMER review should be disregarded because uh

It’s by a very angry person

[green loom]

Check out

https://www.youtube.com/@2Tough/videos

This guy

For AOS lore

[storm jungle]

AoS is basically He-Man / Sword and Sorcery but Rated R, dont let the vibrant heroic artwork fool you its abotu as fucked up and grimdank as most Warhammer settings in the fandom.

[green loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UKLiyG1Vzk&t=562s&ab_channel=HeyWoah

And this guy for funny maymays

[gritty glade]

Oh yeah I know, that 's part of it

[snow fern]

On one hand Stormcast is clearly space marines for AoS, on the other hand they’re better written

[storm jungle]

Kinda but not really

[green loom]

They have a good premise

[storm jungle]

Stormcast are more Order Chaos Warriors

[green loom]

Unlike marines who are people but lorge

And sometimes shitheel bastards but othertimes baby saving humanitarians who care about irrelevant factors like "Collateral damage" and "supplies"

[snow fern]

I don’t mean 1 for 1 space marines more like, it’s clear who they were marketted for

[green loom]

Stormcast are grabbed from people fanaticized by fighting Chaos and are more than happy to get themselves killed a second, third, fourth and 50th time to KILL CHAOS

https://tenor.com/view/chaos-kill-chaos-gif-21988010

[arctic talon]

Stormcast are much more like thunder warriors

In that they literally degenerate mentally

With every death

[snow fern]

While also losing all their personality in the process, it’s neat, I also like the face mask helmet Dante has, so I like the Stormcasts for taking from that

[storm jungle]

Stormcast basically turn into Space Marines the more they die

which is hilarious

mindless killing machines with no personality

[green loom]

Except Vandus who's a psychopath by default

[storm jungle]

also uhh

that one genocidal Stormhost

💀

[snow fern]

Planet of Hats is an awful trope tbh

The Great Horned Rat becoming a Greater Chaos God then immediately being told by Archaeon to fuck off is funny af

[arctic talon]

Skill issue tbh

[snow fern]

Does aos have chorfs?

[arctic talon]

Not as a faction, but there’s so much hinting to them they’re probably the next faction, in fact I’ll drink nuln oil if they aren’t

There’s a few individual chorf minis in warcry warbands

[snow fern]

Interesting

[storm jungle]

Hashut is also a thing

so chorfs are deffo a future army

[quick egret]

is wh40k a good source for inspirational quotes?

[green loom]

Depends what you consider inspiration

[quick egret]

Anything, really

[storm jungle]

Uhhh for the most part not really

[quick egret]

aw 😦

[storm jungle]

most of it is incredibly fascist lol

[arctic talon]

“Innocence proves nothing”

[storm jungle]

Example

LOL

[arctic talon]

“What right do I have to let 3 billion people live”

[storm jungle]

Like

a lot of these is unironically super hateful and will get you weird looks IRL if you start spouting them lol

[arctic talon]

“My armor is contempt, my shield is disgust, hatred is my sword”

[snow fern]

Makes me happy even an Enforcer like Savant believes in Innocence, probably never getting promoted to Arbites tho

[arctic talon]

Bro the arbites are blowing his brains out

💀

[snow fern]

Good people don't live long in 40k for 1 reason or another, that or they're so largely irrelavent to the grander picture that their altruism accomplishes nothing

[arctic talon]

This quote goes so unbelievably hard

And is so incredibly fucked up

[snow fern]

A pragmatist is the closest you'll get cause only the most fanatical argue with them really

[arctic talon]

“You have been judged guilty of violating the lex imperialis. This is the law of the emperors realm. It is his law. if, as you loudly claim I have erred in my judgment, he would strike me down where I stand. If you were innocent he would have intercedes to shield your flesh from my shotgun shell…. But then you would stand guilty of wasting my ammunition. Be thankful I have saved you from committing such a crime”

[storm jungle]

least hostile U.S Police Officer

oh wait

[marsh berry]

Are you saying I’m gonna have to cover up those tattoos at my interview?

[arctic talon]

Aquilla tattoo

💀

The mods on the warhammer 40K discord told someone he should not get imperium tattoos

Because they uh

you know

[marsh berry]

Yea it’s a little hard to hide, what with it being right in the middle of my forehead and all

[snow fern]

I hate satire's like 40k too realistic

[storm jungle]

Yeah its literally not that far from reality

[arctic talon]

Tau are reality

[storm jungle]

then again when is fascism isn't tbh

[arctic talon]

💀

[storm jungle]

💀

-999 social credit points

[arctic talon]

Stratified caste based society

Heavily imperialistic

Generally not the worst to live under, has a ruling elite class

GW just made an irl facist nation 💀

[marsh berry]

“erm based??? ”

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

💀

[quick egret]

i already get weird looks IRL, i don't have to quote or say anything lol

[wintry lintel]

So can I just visit the Emprah?
Is him on his Golden throne like a tourist attraction or something or is it hidden away?

[storm jungle]

Hidden away

you can go see the palace from the outside and thats about it

but that pilgrimage can take from somewhere between a century to like half your lifetime, some people die waiting to get to Terra on pilgrimage courses

[wintry lintel]

can anybody see the emperor?

like as in certain people

[storm jungle]

Custodians, his guardians can.

and Guilliman the Primarch of the Ultramarines went to see the Emperor only once. And thats kind of it.

[wintry lintel]

I'd hate to be him, like an estranged rich old grandpa

[storm jungle]

pretty much

[misty brook]

Do you guys have a favorite house or houses of Necromunda?

[shell barn]

I’m a little new to primarchs. Which one is probably the worst gut of them all

[green loom]

I like Van Saar

But I'm primarily an Outcast kinda guy

[arctic talon]

Orlock

[arctic talon]

Define worst gut

Like coward?

[green loom]

Think they meant worst guy

[misty brook]

Fulgrim.

[shell barn]

*guy sorry

[arctic talon]

Oh most evil

Kurze is up there

[green loom]

Fulgrim is barely top 7 for me tbh

[arctic talon]

Despite being dead

[shell barn]

Is that the Night Lord one or am I thinking if someone else

[misty brook]

Night Lord Primarch. He was crazy, because of his gift of seeing into the future.

For my houses. I like Escher and Goliath. I wouldn't be surprised if a member of Goliath wanted to hook up with a Ogryn.

[green loom]

I really like actually noble good outcast gangs

Like civilian militia trained up by the Stranger

Or Necromunda style harpers

[misty brook]

People say that the necklace around his neck was a Alderai spirit stone. So his technically alive still, but needs a new body.

[shell barn]

So. Dead until he isn’t

[misty brook]

There's only one that I can remember and it's a Ogryn who released his captive brethen and live in the sumps now.

[green loom]

Oh yeah the slave revolt

@arctic talon probably knows

[arctic talon]

Unknown we don’t even know if it was atuned to him

He might just be dead

And if you’re in a spirit stone you’re dead

[misty brook]

Yea, but in a purgatory state. And fate is very sticky to the Primarchs, except Horus who basically got erased from existence. All except from memory of course.

[storm jungle]

Night Lords are also like REALLY REALLY REALLY

not a popular chaos army

[misty brook]

And very edgy.

[storm jungle]

for that reason alone Kurze is never coming back

GW brings back primarchs on the association of money and profits first and foremost

[misty brook]

Yea and I don't know they had to buff up Angron... Like why.

[normal light]

GW is just British League of Votann

[storm jungle]

Simple my friend

He can respawn faster because he can get his ass kicked more by named characters.

Look at Mortarion, he died like 10 fucking times in lore.

[misty brook]

And his in the naughty timeout corner this time by Papa Nurgle. Also I think Jagathai has the worse fate to disappear in the Primarchs. Because he went into the Webway to go hunt and get revenge for the Dark Eldar who sacked his homeworld.

[sleek wigeon]

worse fate for the dark eldar

[storm jungle]

They can literally toss him into a black hole if they wanted

Jaghatai is the one at a disadvantage lol

[wet sandal]

And Russ straight dipped into the eye of terror

[sleek wigeon]

imagine ransacking a few meager villages on a world and then decades later space gengis khan has made it his personal mission to kick your ass

[misty brook]

They might've captured him and sent his aging ass to fight in the arenas.

[storm jungle]

Best monkey fighter 🙏

https://tenor.com/view/monke-stick-fight-gif-23054990

[misty brook]

Most plausible cause or his the personal torture toy for Asdrubael Vect, a experimented eternally on by a Haemonculi, lastly result getting trolled by Cegorach.

[sleek wigeon]

I think there's a chance Ferrus could return as well, since there's been a ton of shit saying he'll "return when the imperium needs him most"

and right now the imperium is looking a little outta shape

[storm jungle]

Bruh hes decapitated

💀

[misty brook]

Hist most likely gonna be returning as part of Legion of the Damned.

[storm jungle]

either way Fulgrim is next with the Emperor's Children update

after that as per protocol another loyalist primarch is gonna return, probably Russ.

[sleek wigeon]

oh that prick

[storm jungle]

Space Wolves are a pretty popular army

[sleek wigeon]

fulgrim is easily the biggest loser of the primarchs

[misty brook]

They're hypocrites on hating psykers when their rune priests are ones too.

[versed spire]

You forgot Lorgar

[misty brook]

Especially when his a Daemon Prince too. Then there's the good clone too.

[sleek wigeon]

still ends one of the greatest 40K bromances because a talking demonic sword told him to

lame ass

bum ass

[misty brook]

If Trazyn ever releases the Perfect Clone of Fulgrim. I expect Daemon Prince Fulgrim gonna claim him as his property then they'll both fight.

[wet sandal]

I would literally kill someone for a tabletop Russ

[storm jungle]

Hes coming

like i said Space Wolves are VERY popular

[misty brook]

Imagine Russ comes back and his mutated into a Wulfen.

[storm jungle]

GW will definitely pick him next

[wet sandal]

Holy based

[rocky gale]

I wonder how long it'll be before we get Daemon Prince Perturabo

[storm jungle]

As a model?

[rocky gale]

Yea

[sleek wigeon]

I am inhaling all the copium because I love the legion that got absolutely shafted by GW

[rocky gale]

Or like even artwork of him

Or reference to him in the lore or new novels

[wet sandal]

The only thing I want more than tabletop Russ is Primaris Blood Claws

[storm jungle]

Very hard to guess because Iron Warriors dont have their own tabletop army. Primarchs like Magnus, Fulgrim, Mortarion and Angron took priority because of them having a faction and a patron god.

Meanwhile Lorgar, Perturabo etc are non-alligned and dont have too many special stuff tabletop wise

i mention these since its what GW prioritizes

[sleek wigeon]

tbh if Vashtorr ascends to godhood, he could end up taking the iron warriors (or perhaps dark mechanicus)

[misty brook]

Based Chaos Undivided.

[rocky gale]

Sad, I just want my little Iron boy

[storm jungle]

Perturabo tho was confirmed to be a daemon prince

we just again dont have any art of it at all

because nobody likes you when you arent the 4 chaos gods' poster boys

💀

[sleek wigeon]

nobody loves you if you A: aren't marketable and B: got stiffed big time in story potential

[storm jungle]

^

[sleek wigeon]

(iron hands my beloved, you deserved so much better 😭)

[storm jungle]

A lot of people forget miniature releases move with profits/business decisions in mind

[misty brook]

Iron Hands will succumb to using Necrodermis more than just being their hands. I swear its gonna happen.

[sleek wigeon]

probably

[misty brook]

They'll be regenerating like the Necrons. The flesh is weak, Iron is eternal.

[sleek wigeon]

tbh what if that turned them heretic/acted as a point for Guilliman to give the Admech & Imperium as a whole more leeway on experimenting with xenos tech?

cause imagine the absolute stomping that could ensue if you had a lasgun-necron disintegrator fusion
that shit would be terrifying, turned a flashlight to a floodlight

[rocky gale]

I'd prefer it if GW based all their business decisions around my emotional needs.

[misty brook]

Forgeworld Stygies uses Xenos Tech. Since they see the to abhor Xenos technology more as a guideline than a rule. Though the Tech-Priests that use such methods are a small number, but their work is very progressive.

They use shroudfields of the Dark Eldar to hide their armies, before moving in to fight.

[arctic talon]

We don’t even know if he’s in it

There’s 0 instances of a human soul being in a soulstone

Hell theres 0 instance of an unbound soulstone working

And I doubt the soulstone would have bound to him considering any Drukhari who had soul stones in the past just have them straight up disintegrate at a certain point

[misty brook]

Well a Primarch isn't technically human... Human enough, yes. But their souls are special.

[arctic talon]

Again

I doubt he was bound to it

It would have turned into dust

Yvraine’s soulstone turned into dust a few years after she was in comorroagh as a Wych

Curse’s would have turned to dust if he didn’t use it as a shiny necklace

Curze is effectively dead and I see no reason to believe he’s in the soulstone

It would be stupid both for curze’s storyline and for soulstone lore

For him to be in it

Curze would just kill himself anyways if he came back

He wanted to die

[storm jungle]

Actually there is

but uhhh

ts VERY VERY VERY VERY

specific/niche situations

and has happened like twice lol

[arctic talon]

Wasn't that book retconned

or was there another example recently

[storm jungle]

Nah Dark Heresy also had it

[arctic talon]

Oh

[storm jungle]

like i said "niche"

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Okay point being I doubt curze is in there

and even if he came back he's killing himself

or having someone kill him

[storm jungle]

Yeah basically that, i doubt anyone reads DH anymore

💀

[arctic talon]

his whole thing is vindiction in death

his death justified everything he did

it proved him right

"Death is nothing compared to vindication"

are his last fucking words iirc

[misty brook]

He never tried to change his fate, because he was too weak of will to even attempt it. If his soul is in a soulstone. Then he'll have plenty of time in it to reflect upon himself worn around on his would-be successor.

If not that. Then his Night Haunter persona could manifest as a warp entity built upon the horrible acts he committed in life.

[nocturne crest]

Does the Farsight Enclave differ to the T'au empire when it comes to government?

[crisp heath]

We talking about Conrad? What's the question again?

Whether he's a crow demon?

[storm jungle]

Its basically a lot less totalitarian.

it was the entire reason Farsight defected in the first place

[umbral nymph]

Farsight's band is pretty much a diffirent nation

So much that the Tau empire just pretend they dont exist

[nocturne crest]

So what about the caste system?

[umbral nymph]

The caste system is kinda still there but more of "We do better in this thing than the other guys" so we might as well stick. But i think non Fire caste can become a Firecaste warrior. I think one of Farsight's leutenants is an Earth caste engineer piloting a battlesuit if i remember

[crisp heath]

@umbral nymph Yes and no lol. It's almost like China and Taiwan

They are not the same, but ask any Tau specifically and they'd likely say it's all one nation.

[nocturne crest]

Ah

[crisp heath]

And yea, the farsight also are not as strict in their caste. Likely because they aren't influenced by the Etherials.

[umbral nymph]

Got it, considering maybe some are not as dissulusioned with the Ethreals as Farsight is

[crisp heath]

I think twice there's been tau offshoots and each time when the ethereal presence left they become a lot more relaxed culturally it seems

[nocturne crest]

So is Farsight just that beloved or does he let each planet do what they want?

[crisp heath]

Ar'Cyr'Ru Mercenary Fleet were similar

[crisp heath]

I'm not 100 percent sure here

He definitely is a hero

[umbral nymph]

I think farsight has more duties than playing city sim so maybe he just deligated some water caste and earth caste to do some of the day to day settlement management

But they do rever farsight as their "founder" to some extent and hero

[arctic talon]

Farsight isn't involved in the government of the farsight enclaves at all

beyond war

ironically

he isn't that great at managing

[umbral nymph]

^

yep

[arctic talon]

He's a warrior first, a general second