The smallest of his orks are the size of nobz
#40k-lore-chat
queen laurel
Basically the fancy way of saying the smallest of his warband are 7-8 feet in height
crisp heath
Every nid is like a neuron of the tyranids brain
queen laurel
Yeah but they're commanded by a grave mind which use the knowledge gathered to make a sentience
In halo 3 it's capable of speaking
And it has been shown to be the one leading the flood as the master tactician
Yeah and the bigger ones are even f****** smarter
Capable of leading the flood in multiple assaults in multiple star systems
crisp heath
Do you know the War in heaven? Ancient Eldar, neuron, and the Krork battling? Krork eventually devolved into orcs. They ere massive 15ft and taller literal behemoths of war with tech that was nigh on magic and shi on anything the neuron have now.
queen laurel
Tyranids maybe sentient to the hive but the flood have fooled of some more genuinely smart things
crisp heath
Well at one point after they all died out and there were only orks, one reevolved traits that were in line with those old Krorks
queen laurel
The tyranids most of the time act by their own way of tactics the hive mind rarely interferes
The flood 24/7 has the gravemind thinking
dusky scroll
I've heard krork in a youtube video I think. How did those ended up becoming Orcs?
crisp heath
It was around 10 or so ft tall, way more intelligent then it had any right to be, and was well, a "Beast" on the battlefield
@dusky scroll devolution
green loom
Nah
queen laurel
I've heard krork in a youtube video I think. How did those ended up becoming Orc...
Not enough good fights basically
Orks need to fight in order to grow bigger and Orks that grow to Krorks are some of the toughest and greatest fighters in the galaxy
green loom
If they don't have enemies they'll fight themselves, it's more or less outlined in the Ghaz book
queen laurel
But of course Krorks not existent in the setting because there are not a lot of good things to fight and orks don't survive long because of their way of life
dusky scroll
In the current times of 40k. I guess Tyranids are eating planets and necrons deleting them. How do Orcs compete with that?
queen laurel
In the current times of 40k. I guess Tyranids are eating planets and necrons del...
Keep fighting them until they win
crisp heath
Atm they dont.
queen laurel
Orks maybe dumb most of the time but they are still capable of pulling tactics to win
crisp heath
But that could almost immediately chane
Not only that, another krork could possibly revolve at anytime
That, and any world orcs fight on. Win or lose, is a loss
dusky scroll
Another thing, what chaos being non-physical threat mean?
storm jungle
As in its a paranormal threat
queen laurel
In the current times of 40k. I guess Tyranids are eating planets and necrons del...
Yeah sure orks don't have the best technology but it's easy to produce compared to the other factions and they can have a lot of them in the field
storm jungle
it corrupts
crisp heath
Because the leave spores
storm jungle
Like chaos is not just daemon armies
its also a good portion of humanity that worship it
queen laurel
And they are still technology that are extremely destructive
green loom
Orks can fight nids to a standstill provided the waaagh is big enough
crisp heath
Chaos is warp based, not physical reality based
green loom
Like at Octarius
queen laurel
Like at Octarius
Yeah, if it weren't for the factors contributing to the loss of the orks it would still be fighting there
dusky scroll
That I understand. And chaos probably has more effect on Eldars than humans... but How would they effect Tyranids or Orks or Necrons?
crisp heath
@green loom but orcs an nids alone could never get it there
Because the nids don't war themselves
They just consume
It's not the same to them
green loom
Necrons are entirely soulless, so it just doesn't effect them
Nids have the hivemind which protects them
Orks are very stubborn and mostly simple minded so it doesn't really effect them either
queen laurel
That I understand. And chaos probably has more effect on Eldars than humans... b...
Orks are very resistant to chaos and aren't very easy to convert, they willingly turn off the Gellar fieldz to fight demons
storm jungle
That I understand. And chaos probably has more effect on Eldars than humans... b...
Chaos has more effect on the entire human race
Eldar don't get affected by chaos too much unless its direct exposure
green loom
Eldar are very very good at psychic stuff and warding said psychic stuff
storm jungle
^
Eldar also like
literally got no point to worship chaos even if they wanted to lol
queen laurel
Eldar don't get affected by chaos too much unless its direct exposure
Yeah they are basically the most psychically attuned out of all the races in warhammer
green loom
Humans at large are susceptible to warp phenomena but have no real way to ward against it
crisp heath
Eldar have one entity in the warp to worry about. They tell the rest to fuck off lol
green loom
Because the vast majority of humans are neither psykers nor know about it
storm jungle
its like how dwarves in warhammer fantasy that want to worship chaos got to literally make runes on their body to get intentionally corrupted
because they are resistant to magic
queen laurel
its like how dwarves in warhammer fantasy that want to worship chaos got to lite...
Looks at the chaos dwarfs
queen laurel
because dwarves are naturally resistant
Yeah chaos dwarfs literally turn into stone because they don't use runes right?
crisp heath
Because the vast majority of humans are neither psykers nor know about it
This is quickly changing
dusky scroll
Chaos has more effect on the entire human race
Didn't they ended up getting sucked to near extinction by Slaanesh? And part of them ended up relying on torture just to stay alive?
queen laurel
Because dwarves become stone as a way to avoid magic
storm jungle
Didn't they ended up getting sucked to near extinction by Slaanesh? And part of ...
That was the decadent part of their civillization
and the dark eldar always did that
now they just had more of a reason for it
green loom
I mean not really, most humans will remain ignorant, and while the frequency of psykers has increased, it's not really that noticeable on a wide scale
crisp heath
@dusky scroll yea, that's the only warp entity they have to worry about. But like upu kinda just said, they even figured her out for the most part
storm jungle
yeah the current normal eldar were the smart ones that saw what was happening and left
crisp heath
@green loom I'd disagree. It might not be at this moment. But it is growing exponentially as time goes on.
queen laurel
yeah the current normal eldar were the smart ones that saw what was happening an...
The dipped faster than a father going for milk
green loom
They always had the potential 
crisp heath
But now it's being expressed more and more
green loom
Necromunda's had psyker ogryns for a long while iirc
queen laurel
Necromunda's had psyker ogryns for a long while iirc
That one that one was forceful experimentation to be fair
green loom
Granted with copious amounts of drugs
crisp heath
That they forcefully made
grave sparrow
I'm still pissed during the council of Nykia Magnus told a fuckin stupid story instead of "hey, you know how untrained pskyers caused the age of strife? Well I LITERALLY have a legion of the most disciplined and trained pskyers in the galaxy who can mentor and train human pskyers throughout the imperium after the great crusade concludes"
crisp heath
Not that naturally form.
green loom
I'm still pissed during the council of Nykia Magnus told a fuckin stupid story ...
"observe as I fuck everything up"
dusky scroll
About Orcs and chaos... Is Khorne happy that orcs/tyranids exists? I mean, this is exactly what he's all about
green loom
Also frankly more psykers will only make the chaos problem worse because untrained ones going wildly insane and leveling cities/planets becomes more frequent
queen laurel
"observe as I fuck everything up"
Is this how he got more reasons because of that meme of he did nothing wrong
crisp heath
About Orcs and chaos... Is Khorne happy that orcs/tyranids exists? I mean, this ...
Orcs maybe. Again. Nids don't war
They consume
green loom
About Orcs and chaos... Is Khorne happy that orcs/tyranids exists? I mean, this ...
He doesn't really care beyond "oh hey they kill things, neat"
queen laurel
About Orcs and chaos... Is Khorne happy that orcs/tyranids exists? I mean, this ...
There are Orks that work for khorne, but those guys aren't accepted by other orks
grave sparrow
Also frankly *more* psykers will only make the chaos problem worse because untra...
I think it's supposed to get to the point where (if humanity manages to survive it) all humans manifest levels of pskyer powers
queen laurel
<@783504501561753651> there are?
Yeah look up khorne storm boyz
grave sparrow
Doesn't Khorne have a personal Ork WAAAGHH in his realm for entertainment?
dusky scroll
its also a good portion of humanity that worship it
You mean the people in Imperium Nihilus?
crisp heath
Bro I'm about to lolol
languid salmon
About Orcs and chaos... Is Khorne happy that orcs/tyranids exists? I mean, this ...
Well tyranids apparently don’t have true blood so they only get skulls for fighting them. Also Daemons don’t like tyranids as they lack a true soul and mess with the daemons ability to exist to the material world
queen laurel
Doesn't Khorne have a personal Ork WAAAGHH in his realm for entertainment?
Yeah tuska, he liked the carnage that tuska made and decided to keep him around
crisp heath
Well tyranids apparently don’t have true blood so they only get skulls for fight...
And again, Khorne gains no power when a nid fights because it only fights to consume, not for fightings sake
grave sparrow
"observe as I fuck everything up"
I think my favorite thing about the Primarchs is just how absolutely flawed and human they are.
Magnus being overzealous.
Horus's failure to delegate and his hatred of taxes
Well those 2 are pretty much it but still
green loom
And again, Khorne gains no power when a nid fights because it only fights to con...
Doesn't matter
crisp heath
It does though. They don't contribute anything to him
storm jungle
You mean the people in Imperium Nihilus?
No, a good portion of humanity actively worships chaos because their life is miserable and they seek any escape they can get.
Humanity is the biggest source of chaos worshippers in the galaxy lol
almost EVERY imperial world has a chaos cult
crisp heath
The simple act of shedding blood doesn't empower Khorne...
green loom
Yes it does
grave sparrow
I mean imagine if you lived in a literal cesspit and evidence of actual gods existed who could grant you ascension lol
crisp heath
No, it doesn't. The warp is powered by emotions and intent...
green loom
Nop
queen laurel
almost EVERY imperial world has a chaos cult
Yeah, even Nobles would seek their power because they are tempted even though they can have everything they wanted
crisp heath
Literally yes...
storm jungle
I mean imagine if you lived in a literal cesspit and evidence of actual gods exi...
Yep, what choice do you have but to follow the light in the darkness, to an equally worse fate
crisp heath
Not at all lol
green loom
Yes it's literally his slogan
grave sparrow
... the bot hates me.
crisp heath
That's the difference
queen laurel
Literally yes...
The warp all ways existed, it was literally clean but the war in heaven have made it worse
dusky scroll
almost EVERY imperial world has a chaos cult
That sounds like heresy!
Don't imperium have fat amount of resource spent on preventing that.. like the Sororitas and Inquisition...
green loom
And tell me what Khorne's minor daemons are called
storm jungle
That sounds like heresy!
Don't imperium have fat amount of resource spent on pr...
Not really
green loom
storm jungle
sororitas and inquisition are mostly on site WHEN shit has already gone wrong
you need to understand
99% of the imperium populace
is literal slaves
lmao
grave sparrow
How common are Arbites?
queen laurel
Yeah they are common police force
storm jungle
but the size varies
grave sparrow
Man I'd honestly love a judge dredd movie in the 40k verse lol
storm jungle
same
crisp heath
Dude please. Someone help me explain this as I'm obviously doing a poor job..
storm jungle
honestly Dredd 2012 is the best you can do
crisp heath
I know I'm not insane here..
green loom
You're not doing a poor job, you're simply wrong
crisp heath
No... I'm literally not..
grave sparrow
honestly Dredd 2012 is the best you can do
The whole shooting the heavy machine gun across the megablock balconies made me think the Astartes guy got inspiration from it with the heavy lasmachingun scene lol
crisp heath
Intention behind things matter. Simply cutting something and blood flowing doesn't empower corn
storm jungle
The whole shooting the heavy machine gun across the megablock balconies made me ...
Fun fact, Astartes uses soundtrack from Dredd
is why GW forced him to change the music 
green loom
Intention behind things matter. Simply cutting something and blood flowing doesn...
It does empower him
Not as much
But it does empower him
crisp heath
Do the mincers in the hive cities feed his power?
storm jungle
actually yes
green loom
Yeah
grave sparrow
is why GW forced him to change the music <:Lmao:936892318231977994>
That's why?! The internet convinced me that evil can only corrupt lol
storm jungle
That's why?! The internet convinced me that evil can only corrupt lol
YEP
green loom
Literally corpse grinder cults
crisp heath
But they feed people to it! It's not the pigs feeding him power!
storm jungle
with corpse-grinders to quote; its the process that the workers every day 24/7 shove corpses into these grinders and hear the meat, bone and sinew be crushed
it basically drives them insane and to khorne
grave sparrow
YEP
So basically, GW may still be a bit of a stickler, but they ain't these evil money grubbers that everyone paints them to be?
green loom
Khorne is the god of blood, not killing
spice ridge
Khorne I imagine benefits most from blood spilled in battle but technically any amount of 'slaughter' is also khorne-y
storm jungle
So basically, GW may still be a bit of a stickler, but they ain't these evil mon...
Oh absolutely not they are absolute money-grubbers
crisp heath
@grave sparrow oh no, They're money grabbers too
green loom
Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows, only that it does
storm jungle
GW is not a benevolent company lol
dusky scroll
Another thing. The hivemind that was mentioned before, Is it the combination of all Tyranids or an entity that is pulling all the strings from outside?
queen laurel
GW is **not** a benevolent company lol
Yeah but they ain't exactly the worst either after all there is wizards of the coast
spice ridge
Another thing. The hivemind that was mentioned before, Is it the combination of ...
Kinda moreso the latter afaik? But a bit of both yeah.
crisp heath
@dusky scroll both
spice ridge
The synapse creatures are not necessarily the entire hivemind but they are conduits for it
spice ridge
The swarmlord is the closest you get to the hivemind personified
green loom
Like all the Tyranid minds combined form the hivemind which then puppets them
crisp heath
It's is simultaneously every nid, and possibly something more
storm jungle
yeah the hivemind sees from the eye of ANY nid
spice ridge
Or hive tyrants, maybe
storm jungle
small or big
dusky scroll
hmm... I was thinking what if a group of tyranids gets cut off from that connection somehow
green loom
But the Nids as organisms can mostly all function on their own
spice ridge
Provided that the nid is in range of a synapse creature anyways
crisp heath
They can't be
queen laurel
yeah basically the Hiveind is an unseen psychic entity
Probably a meme chat regular that ascended too much
green loom
Yeah they can
crisp heath
How?
spice ridge
How?
Without a synapse creature in range 'normal' nids will act more like pack animals
So they'll usually just run away
Or attack something
queen laurel
Feral nids are a thing
Yeah they may be using a synaptic link most of the time but the moment that thing is lost they are no better than an ravaging animal
crisp heath
Oh OK fair nough I suppose
spice ridge
But they won't be nearly as organized or effective anymore
storm jungle
yeah its old lore but still canon
basically they go feral and SOMETIMES reproduce
💀
crisp heath
But they still are technically like, connected... they just aren't receiving orders
grave sparrow
It's an old code, but it checks out
spice ridge
They don't self destruct or anything
crisp heath
Right?
queen laurel
They don't self destruct or anything
Yeah that would be no fun no problem to deal with
green loom
But they still are technically like, connected... they just aren't receiving ord...
It's functionally the same thing
dusky scroll
Can the connection be reestablished? Or, once a feral always a feral?
crisp heath
I suppose so, yea...
green loom
Can the connection be reestablished? Or, once a feral always a feral?
Former
storm jungle
Ye it can
queen laurel
Can the connection be reestablished? Or, once a feral always a feral?
Yes
green loom
They're still Tyranids
spice ridge
Yes the connection can be reestablished, just requires a synapse creature to get in range
queen laurel
Yeah if that isn't available they will follow the superior creature around
spice ridge
Synapse creatures being things like Hive Tyrants and their variants, warriors, zoanthropes(?)
spice ridge
Yeah rule of thumb is any 'nid creature with a big brain is probably a synapse creature
I think Lictors are kind of synapse creatures but still fairly independent but not as independent as like Genestealers
crisp heath
So. Question. Theories on Nid orgins. Go!
Lol I think they come from out of universe, and are something wholly separate from anything any of the gods we know made. And I think this, is only the beginning.
dusky scroll
If they (tyranids) are that big of a threat, what's stopping them from munching on every race? Or is it just about time?
green loom
Nothing, they're actively doing it
spice ridge
If they (tyranids) are that big of a threat, what's stopping them from munching ...
In-lore explanation is that the bulk of the 'nids haven't arrived in the galaxy, still
That's it
The reason why they haven't is because they're still on their way
green loom
The current edition's big event I'd the 4th Tyrannic war, with a fresh wave of Nid incursions
crisp heath
Is that actually from a book? I thought it was all still theory still
crisp heath
You keep saying that acronym and I'm unfamiliar with it unfortunately lol
Google rescued me
Lol
dusky scroll
Wow... Since I joined this server to learn about 40k universe, I haven't found any reason for Imperium to survive other than plot armor !!
storm jungle
Wow... Since I joined this server to learn about 40k universe, I haven't found a...
DING DING DING
THATS CORRECT
queen laurel
Wow... Since I joined this server to learn about 40k universe, I haven't found a...
the imperium has a lot of crap under its belt
storm jungle
queen laurel
trust me
storm jungle
yeah like
another fun fact
necrons have a literal holograph table
that can destroy any planet in the galaxy
but they dont boom terra because uhhh idk
queen laurel
that can destroy any planet in the galaxy
bye bye Terra
if i got my hands on that thing i swear to god
crisp heath
but they dont boom terra because uhhh idk
Like fr
Every problem in 40k would basically be solved right then and there lolol
storm jungle
Jokes aside its because the dynasty that controls the Orrery sees themselves as "gardeners."
green loom
No faction will really ever die because the lore is ultimately made as set dressing and to sell you funny toys
storm jungle
they only destroy planets or suns when its needed
storm jungle
No faction will really ever die because the lore is ultimately made as set dress...
Also this
queen laurel
they only destroy planets or suns when its needed
Yeah and I'm pretty sure they support the cause of wanting their bodies of fleshback
Can't really have a flesh body if there's no flesh left
crisp heath
Lol AND ITS NOT NEEDED IN THE 40K UNI!?!?!? lolol fr if any society deserved to be culled lolol
green loom
The Imperium's entire theme is a not so glorious, painful drawn out final stand while hitting everything it can in it's last tantrum
dusky scroll
And, at least from what I know, Tau's seem to be in even worse position than Imperium.
green loom
They're doing mostly fine tbh
dusky scroll
How?
crisp heath
The Imperium's entire theme is a not so glorious, painful drawn out final stand ...
Honestly, if that's been the goal, I'd say they've done a great job lol
green loom
They're mostly cut off from the larger threats, are basically isolated save a wormhole that's obscenely well defended, and are somewhat expanding unlike basically anyone else
dusky scroll
They don't have the numbers of Tyranid/Orc or even Imperium.
Their tech isn't advanced like Necrons or Eldars... They can also get boned by Chaos afaik.
crisp heath
That and they evolve like they are on steriods
spice ridge
Yeah the Imperium shouldn't still exist at this point
crisp heath
They're on set to surpass the Empires tech relatively quickly
spice ridge
There's literally no way for it to keep going in such a concentrated, unified manner
green loom
They've surpassed it in a LOT of areas
crisp heath
Tau tech is honestly not shit to sneeze at
spice ridge
I agree with Pancreasnowork's take that the Imperium should fall so it can splinter into a buncha factions with their own things and individual guard regiments and stuff
dusky scroll
That and they evolve like they are on steriods
Tau?
green loom
They don't have the numbers of Tyranid/Orc or even Imperium.
Their tech isn't a...
They don't need it
And it's mostly that they don't yet
They haven't had their maxed out golden age yet
spice ridge
Oh yeah Tau are nutty, Imperium fans just refuse to acknowledge it
crisp heath
In 6,000 years they caught up to what took humanity 40,000
That's 15% the amount of time
spice ridge
They just point to the Damocles crusade and then cope saying that the Imperium just couldn't be arsed to wipe them out, not that they couldn't (without MASSIVE losses)
green loom
The Tau are the sideline bright eyed newbies to the galactic stage, they're the current carrion that will pick on the bones of dying civilizations that came before them
dusky scroll
But afaik they fight with Gundam suits, not their bodies... so it seems like their evolution is not as beneficial as it is for Tyranids.
spice ridge
The Tau have stonewalled like multiple Tyranid fleets basically by themselves
They're very good at Tyranid killing
lapis wadi
I agree with Pancreasnowork's take that the Imperium should fall so it can splin...
Split into not!Fantasy Kingdoms.
Space Bretonnia.
green loom
They just point to the Damocles crusade and then cope saying that the Imperium j...
People neglect to mention that the initial fight for Damocles went horribly for the imperium until Shryke was able to fully take over
And if the Damocles crusade fleet was so powerful, why did the Admech scorch earth the region 
crisp heath
@dusky scroll maybe not physically, and nothing touches nid evolution. But yea, no. Don't sneeze at the tau. They're silent underdogs and eventually will be something to truly be afraid of. Right now, it's more the small amount of space they hold and the naivety holding them back, which is quickly dieing
spice ridge
Tau naivety is long past at this point, they kinda know what the Galaxy is all about
green loom
Yeah their theme is the emergent, bright eyed newbies like I said
Basically the role humanity fills in a LOT of Sciti
*scifi
spice ridge
And Tau have humans in it already (and no they aren't all sterilized)
In fact they probably live better lives than Imperial humans, even if only marginally
green loom
The imperium probably has more sterilized humans than the Tau and it isn't close 
crisp heath
I will die on the hill that the Tau empire is a better empire to live in then the Imperium
spice ridge
The Imperium kills more humans every single day than the Tau does in years I'd be willing to bet
But it's okay when the Imperium does it
Same with the Eldar
green loom
They probably kill more in a day than the Tau have killed in total
dusky scroll
In fact they probably live better lives than Imperial humans, even if only margi...
How do they recruit humans?
Put ads like, "Join Tau, get antibiotics for the dysentery" ?
green loom
More or less
spice ridge
How do they recruit humans?
Put ads like, "Join Tau, get antibiotics for the dy...
Annexation, mostly
storm jungle
Yeah its a mix of both
spice ridge
They annexed a few Imperium worlds in their earlier years
And the humans there had no real love for the Imperium since they were largely forgotten about
green loom
"hey our thing is actually giving you a good purpose! Wanna join?"
outer wave
How do they recruit humans?
Put ads like, "Join Tau, get antibiotics for the dy...
If they invade an Imperial world, they give a chance for them to surrender and join their cause IIRC.
crisp heath
That and people surrendering in war, which does happen in 40k, just rarely
spice ridge
So when the Tau came along they were like "okay, sure you can be our new overlords"
storm jungle
yeah and like A LOT of fucking chances to surrender btw
at the start, in the middle of the fucking war, at the end
etc
green loom
Yeah it's still fascist and bad, but it has some quality of life unlike the imperium
storm jungle
Tau rarely fight to never show mercy
The Taros Campaign is like one of the only examples of it
outer wave
yeah and like **A LOT** of fucking chances to surrender btw
I thought it was a one and done deal, like if the other side disagrees, Tau just genocide the planet?
warm notch
My favorite part about the Imperium is how so much of it is in disrepair that even if they win they're still going to cannabilize itself uwu
crisp heath
You can actually somewhat raise a family with the Tau
spice ridge
Yeah the Tau don't really wage as many wars of extermination unless you're Tyranids, Orks or Dark Eldar
green loom
I thought it was a one and done deal, like if the other side disagrees, Tau just...
Well gotta remember this isn't the imperium
outer wave
Truuue
green loom
To them it's probably not genocide, they just beat them militarily
storm jungle
I thought it was a one and done deal, like if the other side disagrees, Tau just...
Kinda depends, with the Taros Campaign it was because an Ethereal got killed accidentally when the Imperium was trying to kill a tau commander.
This backfired horribly and they fought so hard the Imperium had to make a hasty evacuation to abandon the planet
spice ridge
I imagine if the world is too resistant they won't just exterminate them right then and there
green loom
If it was the imperium a planet's entire population would be purged wholesale 4 times over with their entire history erased
crisp heath
I thought it was a one and done deal, like if the other side disagrees, Tau just...
No, they really try to get people on board with the Greater Good
spice ridge
They'd resort to extermination if no other option was worth it, they'd probably just siege the world
outer wave
Kinda depends, with the Taros Campaign it was because an Ethereal got killed *ac...
Sounds like they failed successfully before reality hit them in the face
dusky scroll
I see... So Tau are more... defensive in nature instead of being expansionists. How do they do when against chaos?
spice ridge
Tau have 'smaller' or 'dimmer' souls than humans
green loom
Well they are expansionists, they're still an Empire
spice ridge
Chaos barely affects them
crisp heath
It's just that, if after all their efforts you are still adamant, they view that as you saying you disagree with the Greater Good. And that means war
green loom
And are actively expanding
storm jungle
Sounds like they failed successfully before reality hit them in the face
The Taros campaign was a MESS
green loom
But they bother to actually develop worlds and stuff
spice ridge
I see... So Tau are more... defensive in nature instead of being expansionists. ...
So, Tau are not necessarily pacifist defenders either. They're more like the Covenant from Halo except replace religious fervor with blind belief in the Ethereals (possibly due to mind control pheromones).
crisp heath
Pretty much. Very apt description imo
spice ridge
But they also aren't on their way to wipe out all humans
crisp heath
Though, if there is mind control, it's not pheromones
outer wave
The Taros campaign was a MESS
Sounds incredibly messy if they accidentally killed an ethereal
green loom
And a huge part of their schtick is that the empire is more than just Tau
crisp heath
To few ethereals
spice ridge
Tau are the main species but they have plenty of 'auxiliaries'
Kroot, Demiurge, Gue'vasa (humans), etc
crisp heath
Not humans. Kroot and another species
storm jungle
Sounds incredibly messy if they accidentally killed an ethereal
Super recommend a watch
green loom
Vespid?
spice ridge
Demiurge have been replaced with Leagues of Votann since they're just space dwarves
green loom
Oh wait the Nagi are pretty widespread
spice ridge
...Space dwarf clones?
dusky scroll
So..
Necron = No souls
Tyranid = Tasteless souls
Tau = Low calorie souls
Eldar = Souls that are no longer commonly found
outer wave
Super recommend a watch
https://youtu.be/wJp3xwwsC2I
Danke
spice ridge
Eldar are delicacies but only Slaanesh gets them
green loom
Weren't the demiurge confirmed to be Kin?
storm jungle
Every eldar has a soul yeah
outer wave
But all eldar souls go to Slaanesh
storm jungle
^
outer wave
So none of the other gods benefit
storm jungle
its why they got soulstones
grave sparrow
Unless they maintain their soul stone
spice ridge
Unless they're protected by Cegorach or Ynnead*
spice ridge
Or their exodite world if they're exodites
storm jungle
artificial-heaven aka the infinity circuit sounds nice
but id rather have an actual deity rescue me
green loom
The hivemind can also protect them
storm jungle
grave sparrow
didn't Ynnead's whole plotline kinda get shitcanned?
storm jungle
The hivemind can also protect them <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
SHUT UP.
crisp heath
Vespids
spice ridge
I've heard rumors that Ynnari plotline might get rebooted somehow
crisp heath
That's their name
green loom
*SHUT UP.*
Eldar stealer cult
Eldar stealer cult
Eldar stealer cult
spice ridge
Otherwise they'll just get retconned into never existing
green loom
That's their name
Yeah I said as muchc
outer wave
didn't Ynnead's whole plotline kinda get shitcanned?
Books didnt sell well, the trilogy was never completed and the storyline went nowhere
storm jungle
the ynnari's problem is also mostly on tabletop.
they suffer from being a soup faction
grave sparrow
To be fair I don't think anyone reads 40k books for eldar perspectives lol
storm jungle
which never sell well
storm jungle
To be fair I don't think anyone reads 40k books for eldar perspectives lol
They do, its just that people dont care about xenos
💀
spice ridge
Eldar stealer cult
Eldar stealer cult
Eldar stealer cult
As far as I'm aware, Genestealers can't really infiltrate Eldar anything so this isn't really a thing very often (read: ever)
spice ridge
Aside from older editions where there was a single like genestealer craftworld out in the void somewhere?
I think?
green loom
But the few they've gotten have sold incredibly well
grave sparrow
I like brief perspectives, but I wouldn't go out of my way to read an entire book about them unless it was about them getting destroyed by gigachad super soldiers
dusky scroll
Ok... thanks for all the knowledge.
I'll be back again with another bucket of questions.
spice ridge
I like Eldar books 
outer wave
Man what do you think would happen if Skaven got infected by Genestealer cumulon?
storm jungle
Aside from older editions where there was a single like genestealer craftworld o...
Yeah it get destroyed
because it was dumb af
💀
green loom
Aside from older editions where there was a single like genestealer craftworld o...
Path of the Eldar Ghost Warrior or something has Yvraine and co boarding a craftworld that was drifting in space and let itself get taken over by stealer cults in a desperate attempt to not die
storm jungle
ALSO
crisp heath
I think if we like, compare souls. In terms of the warp, a human soul is like a candle in an ocean of wind. Quickly snuffed. An Eldar is like a campfire. Warm, strong, powerful. And the emperor is like a wildfire. Burning like a beacon in a void
grave sparrow
wut
storm jungle
grave sparrow
Who wrote that book
spice ridge
I get depressed every time an Avatar of Khaine gets brought up 🙄
Oh here comes the punching bag
crisp heath
Didn't yvraine have an affair with someone
storm jungle
No
outer wave
SOMEHOW INFECTED AN AVATAR OF KHAINE
Erm but that statue also wants to mate too, c'mon give him a chance, he just wants a lovely lil family!
spice ridge
Yvraine is happily married to Guilliman
crisp heath
Who did... I remember an Eldar doing something like that....
spice ridge
Nah for real though I'm pre sure Guilliman and Yvraine are not actually buddy-buddy
spice ridge
From what I remember someone mentioning they're actually prepared to backstab each other at any point
storm jungle
Who did... I remember an Eldar doing something like that....
An eldar has never been in relationship with a human in the lore
grave sparrow
The only gav thrope book I've gotten was deliverance lost and I thought it was really good 😦
crisp heath
From what I remember someone mentioning they're actually prepared to backstab ea...
Backstabbing 😉 😉
queen laurel
Yvraine is happily married to Guilliman <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
i hear Guilliman and Yvraine together one more time i will throw a Blackstone fortress at tertium
storm jungle
clearly you didnt read his dark angels books
spice ridge
https://tenor.com/view/callisto-callisto-protocol-the-callisto-protocol-gif-2725...
You cannot suppress the TRUTH.
storm jungle
FallenFallenFallenFallenFallenFallenFallenFallenFallenFallenFallenFallenFallenFallenFallenFallenFallenFallenFallen
shut the fuck up gav
holy shit
spice ridge
We're here to find the Fallen Bofadese
storm jungle
I'm gonna Fallen some rocks on your ass
crisp heath
I'm just thinking of Yvraine and Guillimane... Ahem.... Backstabbing one another
spice ridge
Isn't Gav the reason why we get "X faction turn into idiots to make Y faction look cool" books?
storm jungle
yes
crisp heath
And enjoying the mental imagery
grave sparrow
**clearly you didnt read his dark angels books**
I'm sure I'll get there soon lol. Angels of Caliban will be his next book for me
storm jungle
gav wrote really shit Dark Angels and Eldar books
grave sparrow
so... yeah... the fallen, oh boy.
spice ridge
Gently breaks the writers fingers
storm jungle
what a fucking boring ass gimmick
grave sparrow
I'm on Know No Fear right now and MAN that shit's dope
storm jungle
I'm on Know No Fear right now and MAN that shit's dope
Know No Fear was the book that saved the Ultramarines from obscurity in the HH
one of the best 40k novels ive read
spice ridge
Mechanicum is one of my faves but I'm also biased
grave sparrow
The way the author describes some of the unnessesary minute details honestly really sells me
misty brook
The Lion has aged greatly, compared to Guilliman in his deep beauty sleep.
spice ridge
Oh but also 'Fulgrim' that's a fun book, too
storm jungle
Mechanicum is one of my faves but I'm also biased
nah thats a really well liked book
grave sparrow
like "oh a starship is falling from the sky"
No, goes into intense detail about the starship falling from the sky
soft thunder
so is there much lore on the lion now? He's like doing green knight shit making a round table of fallen or something
spice ridge
Ah and the Priests of Mars trilogy... Mmmm
crisp heath
@grave sparrow love that shit
spice ridge
Mechanicus, Eldar, Guard, Dark age of Technology, scatches all my actually liked bits of 40k
grave sparrow
<@326900326785613824> love that shit
It made me feel like I was THERE
misty brook
so is there much lore on the lion now? He's like doing green knight shit making ...
Nah. But he can teleport literally anywhere in the galaxy now as his primarch ability.
storm jungle
Oh but also 'Fulgrim' that's a fun book, too
My favorite thing with Fulgrim is people going "OH EW ITS FINALE IS SO GROSS."
Then I read it
and its just
another generic chaos thing where they just stab and kill each other
and im like "okay i guess?"
spice ridge
Yeah it's really not as crazy as some people think
grave sparrow
Yeah I was told Fulgrim was super imporant but it was... eh.
storm jungle
these people legit got no idea what "crazy" is
spice ridge
Emperor's Children get murder happy, okay?
storm jungle
Yeah I was told Fulgrim was super imporant but it was... eh.
Yeah it is not important
soft thunder
Nah. But he can teleport literally anywhere in the galaxy now as his primarch ab...
as long as it has trees or something right? green knight shenanigans
storm jungle
Emperor's Children get murder happy, okay?
Yeah like they describe it as if its obscene but its literally just generic chaos people kill each other nonsense
misty brook
Yeah I was told Fulgrim was super imporant but it was... eh.
The perfect clone that Fabius Bile made is. Because it's his good side, apparently.
grave sparrow
It did go into how Fulgrim wasn't really the bad guy, more of a powerless (really stupid) victim
storm jungle
Yeee
Fulgrim basically needed a mentor
or like just constantly travel with Ferrus
those two are already literally Guts and Griffith
spice ridge
Fulgrim the primarch is kinda important at least but the book itself is more like a few potential flashpoints that just get ignored by Fulgrim and he's just a dumbass
storm jungle
and im 50% sure it was not intentional
grave sparrow
if Ferrus was in the temple with Fulgrim that would've been hilarious
grave sparrow
Brother, you've been watching too many Japanese cartoons, calm down
spice ridge
Ferrus and Fulgrim's bromance was sweet at least
spice ridge
Gave Ferrus a tiny bit of character before he dies
storm jungle
spice ridge
He's less of a completely wooden block of wood
And more like a tasteful cardboard standie
grave sparrow
Ngl, I liked how even Ferrus made Lorgar a nice weapon
but nobody ever talks about it 😦
grave sparrow
I mean all he did was bitch slap malcador and bitch hit Robot girlyman with it
spice ridge
Preliminary heresy legion purges of loyalists
storm jungle
I love how Ferrus just appears at the latest Siege novel for no reason
grave sparrow
was he legion of the damned in it?
grave sparrow
Go ahead, I got probably 2 years before I get there
storm jungle
Lmao
okay so
He basically appears and VERY casually talks to Sanguinius about why he shouldnt join Horus
but.. he also mentions why it MIGHT be good to join him?
and this is where you
as the reader
kinda raise a brow
grave sparrow
go wtf
storm jungle
because its VERY possible this is Horus
grave sparrow
Ohhh, so its probably not ferrus
storm jungle
they never reveal if it was actually Ferrus' spirit ye
because Sanguinius gives the same reaction as you Grak
and Ferrus instantly goes
"OF COURSE IM NOT TELLING YOU TO DO THAT"
Uhuh
then why the fuck did you bring it up?
grave sparrow
What if it was the Kabal's plan, and Hawkboy joins Horus, only to murder him in the back and save the imperium!
I'm honestly surprised that didn't happen with at least one legion.
storm jungle
Lmao the Cabal are long gone by that point
like uh
the reality around Terra is non-existant
the Vengeful Spirit is INSIDE the Imperial Palace
grave sparrow
I guess I did get to the point where Alpharius chucked one of the Cabal out an airlock
storm jungle
yeee
grave sparrow
that was funneh
storm jungle
its basically prob Horus trying to troll Sang
because he legit wanted the loyalists to join him
and not the traitors
grave sparrow
Yeah, he seemed pretty convinced that hawkboy would join him for some reason
Little did he know that he was literally 40k Jesus
spice ridge
Very strange how the writers keep trying to have the Primarchs extend these offers to join each other while having precisely 0 olive branches otherwise
storm jungle
Lmao yeah its so dumb
spice ridge
Like it's just complete and utter eradication until one point they're like "see now you should join me hurr durr"
storm jungle
Little did he know that he was literally 40k Jesus
fun fact after Horus fucking demolishes Sanguinius he walks away and some demons come to nail him up lol
grave sparrow
If it were just one author I'm sure it'd be pretty flawless, but we'd all be dead by the time it concluded
spice ridge
Like dude you've been doing nothing but slaughter them wholesale why would they suddenly think 'sure let's be buddies'
storm jungle
to be fair
in this case
Horus is literally entirely delusional
like hilariously so
spice ridge
You mean like from the very beginning
storm jungle
HE SENT HIS CURRENT MIND TO THE PAST, SO THE EMPEROR WOULDN'T READ HIS CURRENT MINDSET WHO IS SENILE.
WHAT MCU SHIT IS THIS
spice ridge
Sees one vision of a bleak future
WAAA EMPEROR BAD
storm jungle
god Raack you got no idea
half this new book is just
SURELY THE IMPERIUM IS DESTROYED
CHAOS HAS WON
and im just
"bro stfu"
spice ridge
Who do they think they're baiting and switching
storm jungle
Abnett just being dramatic lol
grave sparrow
I'm so excited for after another 2 years of audiobooks to finally get theeerrreeee
spice ridge
Uhmm ackshually 40k is just a delusional vision of the dying Emperor hurr durr
Horus is actually in charge now in real reality or something
And the chaos gods take turn using him as- nvm
grave sparrow
It's all John Grammaticus
he saw the future
this is the future
but he high on drugs
storm jungle
you guys literally have no idea
how dragged out this book is
600+ pages my dudes
grave sparrow
So it's disappointing af?
spice ridge
600 pages of bait and switches, very cool
storm jungle
Nah like stuff happens in it?
but like
chapters last and im not kidding
1-2 fucking pages
with CONSTANT
POV switches
spice ridge
I mean I've heard of some really cool excerpts and read some myself
storm jungle
Yeah deffo read it, its just a lot
grave sparrow
Oh I'm gonna suffer with that.
spice ridge
Like "I was there, when Horus slew the 'Emperor'." That shit was fire
grave sparrow
I actually might have to read that because I ain't gonna be able to catch on wtf is goin on via audiobook
storm jungle
Oh I'm gonna suffer with that.
Only tip ill give just dont skip any Chapter with Emperor, Oll Persson, Dorn, Sanguinius, Horus, anyone else is just whatever tf
like
who the fuck
wants to read about Fafnir Rann
grave sparrow
Oh I won't skip chapters, but sometimes I get too preoccupied with work to really like zone into the book
storm jungle
unless you are a imperial fist redditor with a rogal dorn avatar
spice ridge
I assure you Konrad Kurze turbo torturing random people on Macragge is CRUCIAL to the plot of this book
grave sparrow
I mean you ain't been wrong so far lol
grave sparrow
I'm still gonna listen to the books you don't recommend though
just because I need to
storm jungle
wait which ones
grave sparrow
Uhhhhh, I don't honestly remember, but you had a few where you were like "you could probably skip"
or that might've been someone else
storm jungle
grave sparrow
someone had a book list of ones worth reading and I remember you saying there were a few that weren't worth reading
which, if I can vaguely remember (I don't remember titles and they all kinda blurr together because audiobooks), yeah, some of them are worthless to the overall plot
storm jungle
DA, RG and mainly Eldar
grave sparrow
eww
storm jungle
I DO NOT recommend his DA books
grave sparrow
I'm still gonna read em
storm jungle
its fucking nothing but mid 2000's Fallen nonsense
grave sparrow
are they cannon?
grave sparrow
If the code checks out I gotta let it through
storm jungle
after book 2 you will start noticing the pattern lol
grave sparrow
I mean Dan Abnett's already shown me that with "oh my god, astartes, fighting astartes!? IMPOSSIBRUUU
even though the 2nd and 11th were clearly purged by... astartes... fighting astartes....
crisp heath
It's 40k. Everything and nothing is Canon lol
storm jungle
Naw theres a very clear cannon
Non-canon stuff in 40k is like REALLY small
even the retconned books in 40k are like... 4 out of 1000+?
grave sparrow
like Custodes getting merc'd at prospero like standard chaff?
storm jungle
Nah thats all canon
it happened
the ONLY ever retconned 40k books were the 3 Jaq Draco novels and Farseer by William King
crisp heath
@storm jungle lol was being facetious. But it can sometimes feel like it with how up in the air everything always feels lol
grave sparrow
Weren't Jaq Draco novel's absolutely terrible
queen laurel
Non-canon stuff in 40k is like **REALLY** small
me watching meme people dominate the warhammer 40k community and spread misinformation
storm jungle
Lmao
storm jungle
Weren't Jaq Draco novel's absolutely terrible
Correct.
they are an interesting read
but uh
also literlaly written by a fucking fetish author
grave sparrow
that was the one TTS made a parody podcast on right
storm jungle
that was the one TTS made a parody podcast on right
correct
outer wave
ORGAMSO MACHINE
crisp heath
Lolol
outer wave
THATS A TITLE
storm jungle
FETISH WRITER
grave sparrow
That is a title of all time
storm jungle
Wait guys i got it wrong hold on
crisp heath
I want one, where can I buy lol
outer wave
Welp lads time to shove myself into the Orgasmo Machine to achieve uh
grave sparrow
tbf, a callidus assassain girlfriend, kinda hawt ngl
outer wave
Enlightenment
crisp heath
Was it at least a good read? Wonder what flavor of fetish lolol
spice ridge
From the TTS group's reading? It sounds just really goofy
queen laurel
tbf, a callidus assassain girlfriend, kinda hawt ngl
grave sparrow
but like, she could change into anything you waannnnttt 😦
storm jungle
outer wave
Also latex
storm jungle
Also that
soft thunder
more like bodypaint
crisp heath
I mean, but like who doesn't like body paint?
grave sparrow
I mean it's basically latex bodypaint
outer wave
Sci Fi latex, no difference to me
grave sparrow
which I'm all for
crisp heath
And latex can be hot if you can pull it off
soft thunder
speaking of fetishes, i think M seer wants a catgirl dream GF
storm jungle
oh god yeah
soft thunder
felanid*
storm jungle
doesnt he mention like
grave sparrow
someone post the TTS felinids lol
crisp heath
Lolol
queen laurel
so are we going in this direction or should we steer clear of it?
soft thunder
my beloved says they are quite beautiful
crisp heath
Isn't it proven he's talking to Big E?
storm jungle
Isn't it proven he's talking to Big E?
its either Big E or a non-malicious warp-demon
because the Beloved actively helps him
crisp heath
And maybe whatever demon is messing with the Daemonhosts?
storm jungle
and the team
grave sparrow
I thought he was talking to Dan Abnett
storm jungle
LMAO
spice ridge
I like to imagine the Seer gains his power directly from his 'beloved'
crisp heath
It does seem to mess with him though
spice ridge
Kinda like how the different ogryn personalities are blisteringly smart for ogryns for different reasons
Like the brawler has a bone'ead implant
grave sparrow
Ogryns read Meditations by Marcus Aurelius
spice ridge
But the bully is just a certain 'type' of Ogryn
spice ridge
(Idk about the Bodyguard, nobody uses that one)
storm jungle
Also constantly learning
grave sparrow
I'm really glad they made Ogryns like... 4 intelligence, 14 wisdom lol
storm jungle
Take my Personality's name, OUT OF YOUR GODDAMN MOUTH
queen laurel
Also *constantly* learning
Except Brawler, his brain is being cooked
crisp heath
I forgot what personality I picked for my ogryn
crisp heath
Not mean, kinda smart
spice ridge
Does he yell "RUNTS" or does he yell "SNIVLERS"
spice ridge
Snivlers = Brawler, Runts = Bully
crisp heath
Does he yell "RUNTS" or does he yell "SNIVLERS"
Neither... I think....
spice ridge
If neither then I assume Bodyguard
grave sparrow
Nothing has made me laugh harder than an ogryn doing ogryn things in this game.
Rock to the face of a mutant?
Paul to a lone poxwalker?
crisp heath
I guess I'm BG too then lol
spice ridge
queen laurel
I forgot what personality I picked for my ogryn
if he sounds like @storm jungle After Downing 5 pounds of bleach on the throat then it's bully
if it's happy go lucky it's going to be bodyguard
if it says sah alot it's brawler
crisp heath
Happy go lucky
spice ridge
I might make a new ogryn just to sus out the bodyguard personality
I did that with psyker since I found myself liking the Seer more and more
crisp heath
And... poor Dilara
storm jungle
I might make a new ogryn just to sus out the bodyguard personality
Bodyguard is basically the Lovable European/Russian Accented Oaf
soft thunder
Brawler using his overheated implant for snacks instead of thinkin'
spice ridge
So made a lady Seer and I like that personality quite a lot
storm jungle
I think genuinely the only bad performance in this game is Female Seer
fucking old lady voice
grave sparrow
I remember some youtuber saying "the game would be so much better if you could change your voice"
and it's like... No, just play with people and pay attention, it stays more unique that way instead of getting the same dialogue over and over
spice ridge
I think I didn't care much for bodyguard because I thought it was generic/boring? Wasn't bombastic enough for me like bully or brawler
Also you take that back about the female seer
She's great
crisp heath
Lolol
storm jungle
spice ridge
Mind lightning time
spice ridge
Interestingly enough the ogryns tend to show fear towards the psykers
Prolly because they're the only ones they feel threatened by
grave sparrow
I mean they're literally wizards
crisp heath
Reveals hidden psycher ogryn power and shoots even bigger lighting back
spice ridge
Watches psyker crush enemy ogryn head like a soda can
queen laurel
Prolly because they're the only ones they feel threatened by
i mean a basic combat psyker can turn a space marine into molten slag no problem
storm jungle
Prolly because they're the only ones they feel threatened by
Uhh thats kinda dependant.
Bodyguard and Brawler show some fear to Psykers
eanwhile uh
Bully is just
queen laurel
Bully is just
Bully
crisp heath
Lol fr
soft thunder
it's their incompa-inconceiva-inco-oh grut.. they big smart 'eds
spice ridge
Bully is like "oi don't hurt me"
storm jungle
Bully is still very hostile
crisp heath
Mine is like "I'm just trying to help you, funny man"
grave sparrow
That's me when I play with my friends on heresy when I have a contract of completing missions with no player deaths aftre the 5th death
spice ridge
Yeah cuz he's a bully
storm jungle
he will actively threaten to leave you or call you weak
queen laurel
Bully is like "oi don't hurt me"
he even asked one of the zealot to arm wrestle and he said he would go easy on em
outer wave
Bully seems to be that edgy 8 year old that wants to be cool but is also sort of caring?
spice ridge
Granted Bully's interaction with female seer is one of my favorites
storm jungle
Bully seems to be that edgy 8 year old that wants to be cool but is also sort of...
He will sometimes say lines like
"Come on psyker, get up and show em what ya can do."
When hes getting people up.
queen laurel
Bully seems to be that edgy 8 year old that wants to be cool but is also sort of...
he is especially if you get into the late game when the character development voice lines trigger more
storm jungle
its very much uncoordinate rage/bullying with some tough love
spice ridge
Seer calling him 'sweet' brute annoys him, then suggests calling him 'cute' instead and he begrudgingly accepts being the 'sweetest there is'
storm jungle
We are all here.
queen laurel
shoot your shot
crisp heath
Is the god emperor dead
outer wave
Seer calling him 'sweet' brute annoys him, then suggests calling him 'cute' inst...
Thats actually so cute
storm jungle
Is the god emperor dead
No
crisp heath
Or just in a decomposed state
outer wave
Is the god emperor dead
Define dead
queen laurel
Is the god emperor dead
no, but is on incredibly pain on the throne
storm jungle
The Emperor is basically half-dead and only kept alive by the golden throne
queen laurel
They have to feed him a lot of psykers to have him stay alive
grave sparrow
His spirit be going ham tho
storm jungle
hes still concious but very much insane
spice ridge
His body is in a state of like, suspended death but his soul is super-charged by all the Emperor worship from literal trillions of humans
storm jungle
^
crisp heath
Isn't he also a phsyker
soft thunder
Bully just had a bad home life, he's a good kid. Literrally an angry school kid. The M judge offers to teach him to pray after the mission, the M loner suggests he walk w/ more style or express his freedom how he can (somethign about dancing and combat), and everyone just want to teach this big kiddie something to make him better off in life. I love him so much
queen laurel
hes still concious but **very** much insane
still more sane than-
is the meme chat joke getting too old already?
spice ridge
Yeah Bully is a good lad deep down
queen laurel
Yeah Bully is a good lad deep down
he gets along with judge the most
crisp heath
Isn't he also a phsyker
Yes and no. He's a psycher like he's a perpetual. Not really but there's not a better word for him
outer wave
Bully just had a bad home life, he's a good kid. Literrally an angry school kid....
Now I want to see the Bully do a pre-DAoT tap dance with a top hat and cane
crisp heath
Yes and no. He's a psycher like he's a perpetual. Not really but there's not a b...
Interesting
Can he even talk
queen laurel
its multiple contradicting voices
god damn he's just like my intrusive thoughts for real for real
storm jungle
the effort alone requires a lot of effort
soft thunder
I want to see a montage of the rejects teaching the bully, to dance and read and pray and just have a HAPPY LIFE. Is that too much to ask?
crisp heath
He's immortal. But he doesn't die and revive. But he's counted as a perpetual. He is the single most powerful psychic being, but calling him a psycher doesn't really fit either
crisp heath
its multiple contradicting voices
outer wave
I want to see a montage of the rejects teaching the bully, to dance and read and...
TRUUUUE!!!!
crisp heath
Huh
storm jungle
just BARELY kept alive
queen laurel
Is he a skeleton now
yep just bones
crisp heath
I love the darkness of Warhammer
queen laurel
i say we kill him and make premium Corpse starch
grave sparrow
So my follow on question to that, is how is he maintaining he massive body facade?
he's just a normal dude in his normal state
soft thunder
also, petition Hadron to fix mah boi's 'ead, sah. He served the Emprah well and deserves better healthcare as a veteran.
crisp heath
i say we kill him and make premium Corpse starch
You are what you eat
He's not a skeleton. He's got gaunt skin, and wires holding him up
spice ridge
Doesn't the male Professional walk with a limp or somethin?
storm jungle
He's not a skeleton. He's got gaunt skin, and wires holding him up
Thats non-canon art
spice ridge
I haven't heard the lady professional mentioning having a poorly healed leg
crisp heath
But it's fairly accurate.
storm jungle
Ehhh
crisp heath
He's so handsome
spice ridge
Also apparently the Golden Throne is essentially a giant turbo torture chair
crisp heath
He's not a skeleton. He's got gaunt skin, and wires holding him up
Smash
Ok fine, this then. This is canon
Still not just a skeleton...
spice ridge
At least according to some Dark Eldar that they for some reason thought allowing anywhere near the golden throne was a good idea
outer wave
He's not a skeleton. He's got gaunt skin, and wires holding him up
You think they would mind if I fed the emperor a lil salami? Looks like he needs some meat on his bones
crisp heath
🤣
soft thunder
You think they would mind if I fed the emperor a lil salami? Looks like he needs...
as a treat
spice ridge
Which then revealed what they really wanted was a sample of the Emperor's body so the Dark Eldar could clone him for their own nefarious means
outer wave
Yes
lapis wadi
At least according to some Dark Eldar that they for some reason thought allowing...
Drukhari are, alas, probably the second most technologically savvy people in the galaxy
storm jungle
Haemonculi are basically waking mcguffins that can more or less do anything yeah.
crisp heath
@spice ridge literally proving once and for all that he is vastly more powerful than any Eldar psychically
spice ridge
Hey the Dark Eldar are my favorite faction
lapis wadi
Necrons because necrons ofc, but the Drukhari still know how to use a bunch of old Eldar tech
crisp heath
How dumb are ogryns to
storm jungle
Depends.
crisp heath
Dark hammer makes them seem sentient
lapis wadi
How dumb are ogryns to
Way dumber in-canon
soft thunder
Drukhari are, alas, probably the second most technologically savvy people in the...
see the orgasmomachine
crisp heath
Way dumber in-canon
I've basically heard that are massive 5 year olds
lapis wadi
I'm afraid to ever find out what the machine looked like
storm jungle
How dumb are ogryns to
Ogryns are mostly kept dumb and uneducated because that way they are easier to manipulate by the Imperium. In reality their brains are like children, they can learn and be educated given enough time but nobody needs that when they be just soldiers and slave labor.
spice ridge
<@139560932014555136> literally proving once and for all that he is vastly more ...
I mean it doesn't prove much, in this instance the only reason why that Haemonculus didn't get his sample is because some other person showed up and was like "no don't fuckin let them near the Emperor dumbass" and the plot was stopped but so were any potential repairs to the Golden Throne
storm jungle
I mean it doesn't prove much, in this instance the only reason why that Haemoncu...
I love how that entire trilogy literally went nowhere and all of them got murdered in the webway 
crisp heath
The fact they wanted to clone him, meant it... they needed his power
crisp heath
Ogryns are mostly kept dumb and uneducated because that way they are easier to m...
So basically child labor with extra steps
warm notch
Ogryns are mostly kept dumb and uneducated because that way they are easier to m...
"Neglected Child Soliders" is just really grim and realistic
storm jungle
So basically child labor with extra steps
CORRECT
spice ridge
The Golden Throne has been """"failing"""" much like the Imperium as been """"crumbling"""" for 10,000 years straight
storm jungle
^
warm notch
I remember reading somewhere that Ogryn's brains are more wired towards survival or something and its less about them just being "dumb"
outer wave
How dumb are ogryns to
IMO, their brains are less hard wired for complex arithmetic and more so for survival. They're not dumb per se but they lack cognitive thinking when it comes to processing what is going on. They are likely incredibly smart when it comes to survival however, maybe even more so than the average human.
lapis wadi
I've basically heard that are massive 5 year olds
Counting to 4 is a massive achievement
All ogryn guns (even in game unless braced) have to be rate-limited to prevent them magdumping at nothing because "HAHA FUNNY NOISE!!!!"
They cannot use any weapon not specially reinforced for them, because they WILL break them (even bolters(
Ripper guns have bayonets because Ogryn forget to reload and just start bashing people with them
Bone 'ead augments to make them smarter do not change any of these facts, they're just not quite as dumb as before
spice ridge
The fact they wanted to clone him, meant it... they needed his power
I think the reason why they wanted to clone the emperor was to make him basically a giant torture beacon for Comorragh to lessen their need to actually bother raiding space, not to use his power
crisp heath
It is failing though. They've had to exponentially feed it more and more bodies for it to function the same
spice ridge
When the plot demands that it finally fail, that's when
soft thunder
Ogryns are mostly kept dumb and uneducated because that way they are easier to m...
See 1984 for the application of Orwellian dystopia of high and low gothic
warm notch
"So when is the Throne finally gonna fail?"
Emperor:
Why doesn't he just sit up? Doesn't his posture suck? Is he stupid?
crisp heath
At first it only was a few hundred, then thousands, Millions to the trillions it is now
outer wave
Ogryns are mostly kept dumb and uneducated because that way they are easier to m...
Honestly never thought of it that way, interesting
lapis wadi
Ogryn probably could be educated a bit, but they're.. well, legitimately physically kinda limited too
storm jungle
Honestly never thought of it that way, interesting
Yeah because the psychic ogryn in the Ghaz books shows this
she can fully speak like a normal person
crisp heath
@lapis wadi not necessarily.
storm jungle
and says that she was educated under the inquisitor
lapis wadi
she can fully speak like a normal person
I was under the impression this was in part due to the psyker-weirdness
crisp heath
They legitimately could arguably be taught. They simply never have
storm jungle
I was under the impression this was in part due to the psyker-weirdness
Nope, its all from education.
Being psychic doesnt make you smart
you can just do magic
soft thunder
psychic ogryn? what? Book pls?
spice ridge
Are there any books centered specifically around Catachan the planet itself or is it just kinda blurbs of 'and then all the chaos forces got vored by the jungle'?
lapis wadi
Honestly I do not like that, not at all.
storm jungle
psychic ogryn? what? Book pls?
Ghazgkuhll Prophet of the Waaagh
lapis wadi
That feels like horrible worldbuilding
storm jungle
i didnt mean that
i meant this entire setting is filled on horrible worldbuildling
gentle walrus
Im not sure how I feel about psychic ogryns
storm jungle
Its not a big thing in the lore yet
and like
its not weird
they are humans
it was bound to happen
outer wave
I want an ogryn faction so I accept psyker ogryns
lapis wadi
Ogryn everywhere would be NOT as stupid as we're shown because they WOULD pick up.. basic communication skills over the years
lapis wadi
They would understand burst fire if shown it.
gentle walrus
I mean...statistically its BOUND to happen.
spice ridge
Imperium splinters, Ogryns form into their own mini-astartes legions and start their own mini-great crusade
Basically just a human WAAAGH since it's ogryns at the helm
soft thunder
Ogryn GRox cav units
lapis wadi
The fact that the Imperium rate-limits their weapons implies this is a hard limit in Ogryn, so retconning it to them just being ignorant.. kinda ruins the ogryn narratively
gentle walrus
I just...how would they not explode from casting assail too much
outer wave
They would understand burst fire if shown it.
Im using my theory on why thats not the case, but in a life-or-death situation, its likely their survival instinct kicking so they fire everything into anything they deem a threat. Hence, they probably wouldnt use burst fire knowledge well
storm jungle
Are there any books centered specifically around Catachan the planet itself or i...
Also before it gets buried, literally every Catachan book has you following Catachan troops in other warzones, we just had ANOTHER Catacan book announced and its in a fucking planet that is going under a post-Tyranid victory cleanup process
lapis wadi
None of the ogryn behaviour we've seen would make sense if it was true
gentle walrus
I'm just trying to imagine an ogryn sized psyker uniform.
gentle walrus
Well, there are Ork psykers, so why the fuck not I guess.
lapis wadi
The person with immense powers based on the mental realm became smart?
Yeah sure I'll buy it
spice ridge
Also before it gets buried, literally **every** Catachan book has you following ...
Yeah I know basically all of them are just Catachans on not Catachan since apparently nobody wants to bother going into detail just how bad Catachan is
crisp heath
See, I get that it could always happen, and that they're abhumans blah blah blah. But I think the surprise comes from them being tanks and mage multiclasses, and the popular idea of ogryns doesn't mesh well with the popular idea of a wizard like character. So it surprises people
lapis wadi
Even if other psykers don't become smart, it still makes more sense to me than every other ogryn just not taught how to be good soldiers
spice ridge
I also subscribe to the idea that exodite/maiden worlds turn into Catachan towards any intruders that aren't also Eldar even if plenty of books/codices say the exact opposite and that they're basically just helpless speedbumps for X faction to turbo pillage
Cuz the latter is dumb
spice ridge
Yeah but Orks just make things work
They're so dumb that things loop back around to working
crisp heath
We've always had weird boys, lots of them. So they don't carry that same suprise
Ogryns have been around for awhile, and this switches things up for people
scenic bolt
You want clashing lore, how about hive gangers figuring out how to make non-psychic ogryns suddenly psychic with the power of drugs
soft thunder
We have battle-computers that turn on by -passing them a blunt- lighting incense
crisp heath
My kind of tech
gentle walrus
I feel like you do that to almost everything in the imperium
Someone was doing that to a gun in a cutscene
spice ridge
I mean some guns will legitimately jam much more often if you don't burn the incense over them
Machine Spirits are bitter little bitches
gentle walrus
Must appease the machine spirit.
spice ridge
And the Mechanicus does kinda know their stuff
soft thunder
emphasis on kinda
gentle walrus
Im also realizing this about Admech
young pecan
Do Slaanesh and Tzeentch cultists have any kinda phrase that they love to spam? Like the "skull throne" and "rot consumes" but their own thing?