40k-lore-chat

[spare osprey]

the others are great too. Vulture for example

[crisp heath]

I love it

[nocturne crest]

I just realised. You could add some cool shit in this theorical t'au themed darktide, but you might end up losing the personality in the process

[dense salmon]

I think it's because the holes in their faces resemble lamprey

[dense salmon]

And they're blue

And kind of look like newts

If we're being real mammals evolved from reptiles

Which themselves evolved from fish

So in a roundabout way humans and tau are both fish people

[crisp heath]

Never really made that connection myself... wouldn't say that was really it for me. I mostly say it for the memes, and because I think the Tau being derived from the equivalent of 40ks manatees makes me laugh

[spare osprey]

alr last one as not to spam but, snake

[dense salmon]

If you ask me tau kind of fill the role of a generic gray alien

[spare osprey]

i would agree

[dense salmon]

The earless heads, large cranium, and smoothe skin

[nocturne crest]

You won't have the fun of the Yorkshire Orgyn or Scottish Zealot.

[crisp heath]

I mean... depending on the species, they ain't wrong

[dense salmon]

Theyre the most alien thing in 40k besides nids

Even an eldar could pass for a human in the right circumstances

[crisp heath]

There are legged snakes

[dense salmon]

The kroot kind of just look like dinosaurs

The orks are big green gorilla men

Who are sentient bread mold

[nocturne crest]

What about the wormy xenos?

[spare osprey]

the whole part of the book is about what if we looked at modern species from the eyes of a future Paleontologist. sorta interpret them as we have done with dinos, very shrink wrapped, lacking in much fat.

[crisp heath]

uhm, ahckshually, mold and fungus, are not the same thing good sir

[spare osprey]

all yesterdays, good read

[crisp heath]

Lolol

[spare osprey]

there's a lizard man tau race i really wish had minis

Tarellians

[crisp heath]

Right, no I get that, but like there are actually legged snakes. And I'm not talking about lizards. Its a real thing

[spare osprey]

ye

[dense salmon]

There are also legless lizards

Maybe some future lore will explain that the tau were a bovine species in the midst of becoming semi-aquatic before their rapid evolution

[crisp heath]

Tetrapodophis (Greek meaning "four-footed snake") is an extinct genus of lizard from the Early Cretaceous (Aptian) aged Crato Formation of Brazil. It has an elongate snake-like body, with four limbs. Tetrapodophis has been considered by some authors to be one of the oldest members of Ophidia (snakes and their extinct relatives).

[dense salmon]

Dolphins and whales were terrestrial mammals who were influenced to hunt in the sea, leading to traits that benefited swimming expressing themselves more and more

Until we end up with an air-breathing fully aquatic mammal

[crisp heath]

I doubt it. I'm mostly facetious with my fish stuff. They come from an arid, desert like planet if I'm not mistaken

Not likely to be transitioning fish boys

[dense salmon]

I have not read a single tau book in my life, you probably know more about them than I do

[crisp heath]

Still used to look like land manatees though and I will die on that hill lolol

[dense salmon]

I probably should actually read some tau lore

[plush mason]

iirc their world was deemed suitable for human habitation and the imperium sent a force to wide them all out but a warp storm cut the t'au's system off from the rest of the galaxy and saved them lol

[crisp heath]

I can't tell if you are saying that to say it's not arid...?

[green loom]

I think they're just saying it's fine for humans

[plush mason]

nah just adding what little i know about the t'au's homeworld to the convo lol

[crisp heath]

Most of the imperium world's are arid themselves due to their hives, so I mean, yea lol. It totally is. And ahh, gotcha no worries. Just wasn't sure

[green loom]

Arid? Try barren tbh

[crisp heath]

Tomato, tomauto, nuclear holocaust, bootier schmaulacaust lolol

[nocturne crest]

Can you imagine if there is a greater goddess cult within the t'au?

[green loom]

There isn't one along the Tau proper yet

[crisp heath]

I mean, isn't it kinda confirmed that there is?

[green loom]

But the aux races are definitely going that route

Since they essentially treat the GG like a religion, which is why it exists in the first place

I think Shadowsun is starting to realize that this Goddess is kinda useful for them as of her newer stuff?

[crisp heath]

Right, like, maybe not the tau, specifically, but the humans and other races they got? Oh yeah you can bet some are worshiping ol mommy six arm

[green loom]

Ye

Well maybe not her specifically

But the GG

Which I guess technically is her

[crisp heath]

Which in turn is her. If they worship the GG like a religion, they inadvertently worship her.

Kinda like what's happening with Big E right now

Worship him like he's a God, and guess what guys?

Pop, my dude is probably a god lol

[green loom]

I think there's some implications on that in end and the death

[crisp heath]

Definitely

[nocturne crest]

I wonder if there is a chaos entity of community and acceptance.

[green loom]

There's probably a chaos entity of gatekeeping and hate

[nocturne crest]

Oh.

[green loom]

At least it's more fitting for chaos

[nocturne crest]

Well, I was just wondering if the greater good God would be that if there was any chaos fuckery involved.

[green loom]

Oh I mean probably

Though in that case referring to it as chaos is kinda incorrect

[nocturne crest]

True.

[dense salmon]

"Habitable for humans" by imperial standards could mean anything

Catachan is habitable for humans

Like the FDA telling you food is safe for humans

"So what's the world like?"

"Dont worry, the atmosphere won't kill you"

[green loom]

"The atmosphere won't kill you during this 2 month period of the year, after that if you step out you will be rendered into sludge from acid rain"

[dense salmon]

Cadia is probably the most famous planet in the setting and was within spitting distance of the eye of terror

The imperium will put people anywhere they won't immediatley evaporate

[crisp heath]

I got a fantasy question if that’s allowed here

Was playing (and losing) another total war campaign and realized there is not a single black character in any of the human rosters and was wondering if they’re were any factions including them?

I get the area it’s taking place is European styled but I think I’d be interested in reading up other factions

[brisk vine]

Fantasy has had some pretty questionable past interpretations of humans in the Southlands

so

Not really for any official factions

[green loom]

Yeah uh

[crisp heath]

Damn

[echo vault]

This new area for dark tide is gonna be interesting since it's essentially the shady bar district or a low level in coruscant and we may as well be gangers fighting against the 6th dug into the area, fancier loyal gangers but still

[green loom]

Like the trooper on SWTOR says

We're not just Thugs in Uniform
We're heavily armed Thugs in Uniform

[echo vault]

I want my melta gun burn through enemies from building to building

[crisp heath]

A Swtor reference, at this day, this time this discord server

Funky

[echo vault]

I talked to a dude who worked at a shitty corner market about kotor 1 And 2 so it exists

[crisp heath]

So for those who don’t know

Definitely not me I for sure do

What uh, is a melta gun

And what’s the difference between a lazgun

[verbal path]

A lasgun fires a pew beam. The melta gun is a short ranged anti-armor beam of heat death.

[echo vault]

A melta gun is like weaponizing your microwave to obscene degrees that it can produce temperatures high enough to sporize metal

It's more of a beam of just pure heat (obscene metal incinerating temperatures coming out of your gun) like steel vaporizes at 2760 Celsius like shitting out that kinda heat

Like how dawn of war shows melta as purple energy i think

[crisp heath]

Not really. Chaos isn't inherently good or bad. It's just chaos. The greater good entity is not a normal, physical entity. It's a chaos/warp entity, since those words are interchangeable, right?

[echo vault]

People always forget chaos is enough of a descriptive term as is, it's chaos

[green loom]

I think the way it works nowadays is that chaos is warp, but the warp isn't all chaos?

[crisp heath]

It's literally Amsterdams red light district lol

[green loom]

Especially with shit like Big E and Fenris' warp filter bs going around

[crisp heath]

@green loom that doesn't really make much sense. Like, even the warp entities the Emperor creates are still chaos entities, they are just aligned to the Emp

Look at the Legion of the Damned. Pretty chaotic lol

[echo vault]

I was in that area of London that people say is scary because the hotel the tour group was at was in there and the tour guide had to talk down a fight that might've had a gun pulled on like damn wtf

[green loom]

Well no, chaos entities are evidently malefic like crazy, Celestine isn't really super crazy super duper evil

[echo vault]

But ye that but warhammer

[crisp heath]

@echo vault I can believe it

[verbal path]

https://youtu.be/tihm4pwCz00?si=MULuQ0ER7s9VR4YC&t=343

You can watch melta guns in use in the video by those guys

[crisp heath]

@green loom no. Again. They seem to have a wide range they can be, from the Greater good, to khorne

[green loom]

I'll talk about this in 12 hours or something, it's 5 am

[crisp heath]

It's just with the 40k uni as it is, the overwhelming vast majority of all entities are going to be the most twisted they can be

[crisp heath]

Oofers, it's 10:30 pm for me

Nighty night bud!!!

[green loom]

I'm not sleeping yet, my autistic memory just doesn't like to work late

[crisp heath]

Lol no worries, I feel that

[green loom]

Also expressing gets difficult, apparently my English in particular is hit hard

[patent ivy]

Wait I thought you were from the States

Damn

[green loom]

What

How'd you figure that when I typically...
I was going to say disappear during US primetime but seeing as it's 6 am that's probably false

[patent ivy]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/511336846391771178/805165030844006481/image0.gif

I was deceived

[crisp heath]

Lol yea that's negatory dog. You're always on during my day, and I'm smack dab in the middle of the US's balls man

[green loom]

But yeah nah I'm Hungarian/Serbian

[crisp heath]

That's awesome. Hungary is a beautiful country

[green loom]

Talk about an ego though...

[echo vault]

Is slivovitz good?

[green loom]

Is wha

[crisp heath]

You guys bad with it?

[green loom]

The mainlanders can be.... something

[crisp heath]

Oofers

[green loom]

I'm diaspora so get to be weird

[crisp heath]

Ayyy

[green loom]

And I got lucky watching cartoon network too much, so now I can speak pretty much fluently without issue

[echo vault]

Plum brandy type common in Balkans

[crisp heath]

Lol the fact cartoon network was your teacher basically gives you you're American passport. You may as well be one of us

[green loom]

Oh hey I've got some of that home made

[green loom]

Sure as shit sound like one of you

[green loom]

Acquired taste, bit strong and depending on who made it, tastes vile

Like I had a 0,5l bottle of it from my dad's brew

And it made my legs numb

[echo vault]

I'm looking for something actually plummy, idk

[green loom]

Oh wait plums

Mine's peach

Awhoops

[echo vault]

Wifi legit shit itself so I sent twice bruh

[green loom]

I know people who use plums but I've never tried it

[echo vault]

Plums are good

[thick cedar]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Plague_Ogryn

In battle these creatures can prove almost impossible to kill and their merest touch brings a horrific death.

Look me straight in the eye and tell me everything in 40k isnt hyperbole

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Beast_of_Nurgle#Battle_Tactics

Seemingly unstoppable, it took the combined efforts of Enforcers and local planetary militia units to finally destroy the Daemon.

Meanwhile

4 rejects bring them down like its nothing

[queen laurel]

Yeah Lore wise our characters should have been dead

[median marsh]

good ol Warhammer descriptions

[queen laurel]

because we literally got swallowed by these things

[median marsh]

where everything is described as impossible to kill

[median marsh]

we have a line with our chars wondering about risk of the infection

[queen laurel]

Yeah they at least get regular disinfection in the ship

After each mission after all

[median marsh]

didnt work out so well for the traitor lady

[queen laurel]

the only disinfection against traitors is a bullet to the skull

[misty brook]

I only thing I can remember being swallowed whole is by those puppy daemons beasts of Nurgle in the game... Though I have feeling being inside of one is wet, warm, and smelly...

[median marsh]

remembering the cutscenes she appeared to have a fever, before the whole Sus shenanigans

[misty brook]

||I don't know how she can be lobomitzed after being shot in the head by Rannick to be a servitor.||

Just wondering, how would the Imperium of Man react to another human species from another galaxy like Andromeda, showing up in the Milky Way?

[median marsh]

she got shot in the back

if theyre "pure" enough theyd probably be forced into imperium

or exterminated

[grave sparrow]

If they came from that far away they're probably stupidly advanced, like dark age tech human explorers that came back

Maybe that's what the tyranids are running from lol

their cultural values and whatnot would probably be so different they'd be immediately branded as heretics

[misty brook]

I'm pretty sure a inquisitor or their interrgator would kill a traitor. The thing is with these humans, they evolved on a different planet. But still simian in nature in the Andromeda galaxy. And humans in the Imperial Cult believe humanity was made by the God Emperor. So since they aren't from the Milky Way, the Imperium would try assess first or kill them off, because zealously is quite on the high.

[grave sparrow]

In the scenario are you having them be pretty much biologically exactly similar as milky way humans or would there be slight differences?

Like the Eldar could be considered simian in nature

[misty brook]

Yes similarly enough to the Milky Way ones. Just a few different physical traits, like the eyes of Extra-galactic simians have all black iris and such. Noticeably taller than regular humans too.

[grave sparrow]

Eh... probably a big war. Planets were cleansed over less

Plus like you said, the zealous nature of the imperium probably wouldn't stand for this new humanlike xenos race and whatever culture they might bring

That sounds like it'd be a cool abhuman race though. Taller with black iris's, could make them galaxy fringe dwellers or somethin

[broken zenith]

monkeigh smh

smh smh

[storm jungle]

Well that and human beings no matter the year or century will always be bigoted

Either towards something else or each other.

[fluid wharf]

are Darktide ogryns accurate to the average 40k universe ogryn, or are they supposed to have the intelligence implant?

[green loom]

The Brawler is a bone ead

The rest are just unusually smart

Probably to make for interesting conversation

The Bone Ead is actually the dumbest too

[fluid wharf]

thank you, was really curious about it. i love him regardless and i would literally die for him 🥺

[storm jungle]

Ogryn are also not mentally stunted, they just have the brain of children due to being uneducated.

It makes them easier to manipulate for the Imperium to exploit

so ogryns can actually learn

[green loom]

Bone Eads are considered "smart" by the Imperium

[fluid wharf]

thats pretty cool, love the implication of it

[green loom]

Because they fit the idea the imps have for them

Dumb and obedient

Emphasis on obedient

[storm jungle]

^

[green loom]

And can follow/understand orders

The more reasonable ones aren't desirable

[fluid wharf]

and those would go to factories and the like?

[green loom]

No they'd still be there

Just expected to stay in line and listen to their bone 'ead

The Bone Eads are basically like

Do you know how some war movies have a noncom/officer guy who's incredibly stupid but people have to listen to them?

That's them

[fluid wharf]

thanks for indulging me :>

[green loom]

🫡

[marsh berry]

My Ogryn was an apprentice scribe

Very smart

[cloud grotto]

the tyranids are showin up cus of when Pharos was destroyed in the Horus Heresy

They probably aren't running from anything but the empty galaxies they've already eaten

they way i run from my empty fridge to the nearest walmart when im hungry

[verbal path]

One of the good things GW has been moving away from.

[storm jungle]

Yeah the older lore was a bit more uh

"Haha isnt it funny, they are so fucking stupid"

which is a bit 💀

[verbal path]

I'll sure be trusting a ripper gun to someone who can't even count to three. Mhm.

Though some Ogryn I've seen have been channeling the old lore.

[storm jungle]

Yeah its nothing too bad at least, Darktide has definitely fleshed out ogryns more than any book has in like the last 20 years

[verbal path]

I do miss the dopey voices they had from DoW which is why I like rations and sah Ogryn.

[storm jungle]

Good times 😔

[scenic bolt]

remember when we first learned ogryns were playable and a bunch of steam forums users were livid that theyre a bad fit because theyre too stupid to open doors or reload weapons

[verbal path]

Why would that be an issue, the Ogryn can just break the door duh.

[storm jungle]

Man you have no idea

Veteran is right we had so many comments lol

"Ogryn should have a reloading minigame"

"Ogryn should not be able to go through tight spaces"

[scenic bolt]

like I would think if the munitorum goes through the process of arming an ogryn with a reloadable firearm, they'd have established if they can reload them or not in the first place

[storm jungle]

Yeah lol

like people think Ogryn are about as helpless as a 1 month old pup or something

[scenic bolt]

it's a dumb beauacracy but it isnt THAT dumb

[verbal path]

Only thing they can't reload on the field are big complicated weapons they're given like lascannons.

[queen laurel]

i dare them to play ogryn in Auric damnation extra specialist, let's see if they still would want that god damn reload mini game

[shadow plover]

The ogryn reload minigame is running the ranged active ability and emptying your clip just in time when the ability recharges so you can keep firing without reloading

[verbal path]

Ogryn stole Veterans instant ult reload.

[celest dome]

"Ogryn shouldn't be able to go in the Valk"
Something someone said on the steam forum

[queen laurel]

i bet you these are the same people that said we should fight orks in darktide

[verbal path]

Its true Ogryns don't like tight spaces but they still get in them. They sometimes count on their fingers to distract themselves from the claustrophobia.

[queen laurel]

Yeah and I'm pretty sure a Chimera can fit 4

So why shouldn't it be in the valkyrie as well

[verbal path]

Valks can take four ogryns as well.

[queen laurel]

Yeah because they need to be deployed in multiple ways and just being deployed in a Chimera is going to hamper their effectiveness

[verbal path]

They're not gonna be particularly happy being in a Valkyrie but they certainly can fit.

[spark zenith]

Fellas, you know the countless trillions starving in the Imperium?

Why don’t the munitorium just harvest tyranids, like, after a battle you could just collect all the dead bugs, put ‘em in a big ol’ blender, and then distribute it to the masses, it probably wouldn’t taste nice, but that’s what the amnasec chaser is for

[queen laurel]

Well tyranid biomatter tends to be incredibly ******* volatile

They eat that stuff it will eat them from the inside out

[spark zenith]

Oh

Well then…

Less starving people to worry about?

[queen laurel]

that's quite an imperial way of looking at it

[spark zenith]

The emperor protects

Hit me up with Bobby Gs astropath, me and him will iron out the details

[crisp heath]

I think they tried once, and tyranid meat did something to them

Idk for sure though what or how exactly

During the war against Hive Fleet Gorgon several groups of Kroot attempted to eat Tyranid bodies (as is the custom of the Kroot, to eat their fallen enemies). All of them became deathly ill, and the story hinted that some of them began mutating.

I don’t remember the specifics but I believe you can find the story in the 4th ed Tau Codex and the 5th ed Tyranid book. And in one of the Cain books where a guard unit with him and Amberly meet and temporarily team up with some tau one of the kroot bites one of the genestealer hybrids that they've killed and spits it out saying it's tainted.

[spark zenith]

Oh shit yeah I remember reading that

They meet up in those underground tunnels and team up to destroy the genestealer cult

Just after they blow one of the kroots faces off

[verbal path]

Remember guys, Orks are edible.

[median marsh]

thinking about it, everything is edible at least once

wonder what this Calthan Brandy is

[verbal path]

[median marsh]

Hallowette got it for masozi

[dense salmon]

I accidentally deleted my 530 score shotgun last night

Chaos is trying so hard to convert me

[crimson hatch]

follow chaos my brother, Grandfather nurgle loves you

[warm notch]

It’s kinda funny how Nurgle is the grandfather instead of a father

[viral yacht]

what time of 40k is darktide set in?

[shadow plover]

after the start of the Indomitus crusade

[viral yacht]

cuz the veteran personalities with cadia make it seems like Cadia's fall was very recent

[near wasp]

During era indominus but before the arks of omen

[queen laurel]

yeah they are even talking about Guilliman Returning

[shadow plover]

and long enough time has passed that primaris marines are common enough and old enough that Tertium has statues of them

[viral yacht]

do you mean this is after Guilliman being severely wounded?

and recovering

[queen laurel]

nope, talking actual resurrection

literally waking up

yeah basically his revival

[crisp heath]

Sanguinius be like "wow, Guilliman, how come dad let you die twice?"

[viral yacht]

huh... i would've thought a decent amount of time would've passed that no living guardsmen were lived that actually saw the fall of cadia

oh

wait did he actually die and come back twice?

[near wasp]

Yes

[crisp heath]

He was just wounded by Fulgrim, but Yvraine's plan to "heal" him involved turning off his life support lmao so that's 1

Then he was stabbed by mortarion and infected with a disease that can kill primarchs and Big E stepped in like "remember son, dying is gay"

[verbal path]

He didn't die die. Only slightly died.

[near wasp]

He was very dead

[viral yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/tts-emperor-hey-gif-20433717

also also

how did any cadian troops, ya know... survive to see Cadia's fall?

like the one we play for example

[shadow plover]

many, most weren't on the planet

[crisp heath]

I'd imagine there's some warp fuckery going on with Vet

[storm jungle]

You do realise not all cadians were on cadia right

[shadow plover]

cadians were spread out the galaxy

[storm jungle]

^

also Cadia had tons of survivors

people forget there was an evacuation order

[crisp heath]

There were evacuations

[viral yacht]

yea i meant those wwho witnessed it first-hand

[storm jungle]

The ones that were still fighting on the planet were left 4 dead

[verbal path]

Some got on the ships evacing

[near wasp]

Some kept fighting but most left

[storm jungle]

the others evacuated

[viral yacht]

ah

[crisp heath]

Ships were still leaving after the fortress hit

[viral yacht]

so the vet we play... was evac'd?

[spark zenith]

Probably saw it through the porthole of some ships as it’s about to go into the warp

[storm jungle]

Yes.

[crisp heath]

They just had to go fast

[storm jungle]

the evacuation was Creed's last order

[shadow plover]

but yeah indomitus crusade lasted only about 12 years so plenty of people are still alive from that time

[viral yacht]

and here i thought the planet broke before the guard did, but only some of em apparently (makes the boasting of the cadian vet a bit more hollow now)

[verbal path]

It used to have been longer but they retconned it since most non Astartes would've been dead

[spark zenith]

Eh could be worse, could lose Terra

[storm jungle]

I mean

theres only so much they can do dude

the entire sky was black from traitor warships

[verbal path]

The evac was during Cadia slowly breaking apart

[spark zenith]

And a black stone fortress

[viral yacht]

karkin duct tape the planet back together if you gotta

[crisp heath]

"Hey he threw the biggest thing ever built into the planet, we should probably go"

[viral yacht]

[storm jungle]

Yeah the fortress was disabled by space wolf plot armor and useless

so Abaddon just threw it since it was functionless

[verbal path]

https://tenor.com/view/flex-tape-gif-10921536

Me repairing Cadia

[storm jungle]

TO SHOW YOU THE POWER OF CHAOS, I SAWED THIS PLANET IN HALF

https://tenor.com/view/flex-tape-boat-phil-swift-sawed-this-boat-in-half-flex-seal-gif-17097379

[viral yacht]

it even works under the warp!

[queen laurel]

yeah being a good soldier isn't good enough to deflect an entire fortress falling down on your planet

[crisp heath]

He was literally just having a tantrum someone broke his ship, a deactivated Blackstone fortress is still stupidly valuable

[verbal path]

Skill issue tbh. Should've parried with the catachan sword

[spark zenith]

I think the whole ‘planets core literally being visible through cracks in the crust and a literal fucking fortress made by ancient aliens’ thing happening makes the whole ‘honour’ thing redundant

[viral yacht]

still you'd think he'd have more survivor's guilt or somethin

[verbal path]

He does.

[viral yacht]

more i mean

[crisp heath]

That's like his whole personality

[verbal path]

That's why even at 30 he's really abrasive to the squad

[spark zenith]

Why do you think he’s angry all the time

[near wasp]

I mean argueably breaking cadia was more important than the fortress

[storm jungle]

If an Imperial character did this everyone would be praising him

but when its chaos its obviously "cringe"

[spark zenith]

Debatable

[storm jungle]

Nah

i know imperial fans, trust me 💀

[crisp heath]

It's also stupid when the Imperium does it

[viral yacht]

wasn't that how the world engine was beat?

[verbal path]

Astral Knights moment

[storm jungle]

The world engine was even dumber

[viral yacht]

[storm jungle]

literally the most advanced thing in existence with endless necron security

but space marine plot armor prevails

lmao

[viral yacht]

RAMMING SPEED!

[storm jungle]

At least theres more of them so no biggie

[spark zenith]

What about that one inquisitor that blew up a few imperial worlds just to prevent the nids from getting bio matter? Everyone thought he was a dumbass

[verbal path]

Lol lmao rams it with a battle barge

[spark zenith]

I forget the inquisitors name

[verbal path]

That's because people call all inquisitors dumbasses.

[crisp heath]

Kryptman was right, he just mean about it

Kryptman's schemes work, they just suck

[verbal path]

Kryptman also was wrong because all the Octarius War did was make stronger Orks and Tyranids.

[spark zenith]

I just want everyone to know, I would throw a continent sized fortress at a planet

[verbal path]

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/ramming-battlefleet-gothic-armada-warhammer40k-imperial-navy-attack-gif-16533820

Me omw to take an ammo box a Vet was going for

[verbal path]

It's fine I'm a melee vet

[queen laurel]

i love that in that game ork ships don't have the ability to boost to make high energy turns but literally just one big red button

[storm jungle]

A scheme so ingenius.

"Bomb the planets when tyranids are invading."

[verbal path]

You also missed general chat salt about vets not taking the ammo aura

[storm jungle]

I do love Dorktide

[spark zenith]

Dicktide

[storm jungle]

AAA-

[verbal path]

[queen laurel]

Mods hearing this music everyday because they have to deal with annoying people https://youtu.be/jcYvDZKLQJ0?si=DLsqevT7xWNQE8tj

[storm jungle]

Actually this is probably more accurate

https://youtu.be/K6y_KScT2vs?t=14

[spark zenith]

I like the whole lore thing that states that imperial ships can be so massive that they can have feral tribes in abandoned decks

That’s funny

[storm jungle]

also yeah imperial ships are deterimentally big

[verbal path]

You should hang out in Gen chat more, Dilara. Easy OD of sodium.

[storm jungle]

I sometimes do but way too much salt

"Why doesn't fatshark do this"

Fatshark does this

"What the fuck fatshark why did you do this"

repeat 24/7

[spark zenith]

Fatshart

[storm jungle]

FakmyShat

[warm notch]

is Brahms's ship that big?

[verbal path]

Why would I make autoloaders for my ship when slave labor is more efficient

[queen laurel]

Yeah, even like the mourning star, which is literally only a frigate is huge

[warm notch]

oh okay

[storm jungle]

Time for me to uhhh

bring out The Chart™️

[warm notch]

How do they even perform maintenance on a ship that big?

[spark zenith]

I love the chart

[warm notch]

Oh lordy lordy

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/she-hulk-wong-wong-i-must-depart-she-hulk-wong-escape-she-hulk-wong-gif-26613844

[queen laurel]

No please

NOO-

[dense salmon]

Imperial ships are so big they often have inconsistent gravity that gives its inhabitants virtigo

[warm notch]

my gf and i were playing darktide and she was like

"Its so funny how Darktide is literally just Vermintide but Victorian gothic or whatever"

And I was like

THATS ALSO WARHAMMER FANTASY???

[spark zenith]

If I was in the 40k universe the imperium would win because I would beat up all the baddies and everyone would get icecream and there would be no more war :)

[verbal path]

[dense salmon]

Vulcan???

[queen laurel]

Yeah only for you to realize the high Lords sabotage your plans

[crisp heath]

@crisp heath cause the way sangy was broken, I bet even revived that fool is coming back in a wheelchair

[near wasp]

I hear there are some dark elves who'd love to meet you

[verbal path]

I love people's first time playing Rogur Trader realizing how big 40k ships are

[verbal path]

I await Headless Ferrus Manus' return

[dense salmon]

The imperium will literally fuse two or more damaged ships together to make a bigger ship

[queen laurel]

yeah you can fit new york in these things

[verbal path]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-space-hulk-robots-gif-15471944

[storm jungle]

@warm notch

Prob wanna open it on a google tab

[spark zenith]

Don’t believe the false news fellas, if you were in the 40k universe you wouldn’t be a servitor/factory worker, only the weak believe that, you would be a custodian/Titan pilot/chapter master, stay winning kings

[dense salmon]

Dont even get me started on spacehulks

Literal planetoid size

[queen laurel]

by the way the Dilara, you have the one for the orks?

[near wasp]

We both know orkiod ships dont have set scales

[storm jungle]

Keep in mind this was before the Battlefleet Gothic videogames so the imags of ork ships are from the actual tabletop game

[warm notch]

If I was in the 40k universe I would be like "Hmmm this is a satire on theocracies" and then I would be declared a heretic and then promptly executed on the spot

[queen laurel]

thanks

[spice ridge]

Problem with trying to have a 'list' of ork ships is that they don't really standardize

[near wasp]

Guess i was wrong

[dense salmon]

If I was in the 40k universe I would scream like tom from tom and Jerry

[near wasp]

Ill go eat my words now

[spice ridge]

At least if you're looking at repurposed ork controlled space hulks

[storm jungle]

They do for the sake of the game

[queen laurel]

But I love the fact that this is probably the most useless size chart because ork bullshit

[storm jungle]

[spice ridge]

Yeah in the game they do at least

[storm jungle]

And I guess you could say some random shit like

"Ork Mekboys have ingrained ship types in their brains that they build"

Nah thats accurate

[dense salmon]

Imagine being aboard an imperium starship, walking down a corridor, and all of a sudden gravity slightly changes and where "down" was is a slightly different angle

Literal sealegs in SPACE

[storm jungle]

Also people dont realise like 15 kilometers is fucking big

[spice ridge]

Orks also tend to work with 'looted' stuff a lot

[verbal path]

40k gravity is funny. It made Ogryns evolve as they did on high gravity worlds in defiance of evolution

[queen laurel]

They have ships that's entire purpose is to literally just be a battering ram, literally has no range weapon but has better thrusters for maneuverability and ramming speed

[spice ridge]

So an appreciable number of their ships are going to just be kitbashed frigates, cruisers, etc

So they'd fall under those classes at the very least

[dense salmon]

Orks use of Gellar fields is also comical

They just scream really loud

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

There's one simple answer they don't most of the time too because it's in flight entertainment

[warm notch]

holy shit star wars

[storm jungle]

Thats just the authors not knowing ship sizes

or like

[storm jungle]

or just math in general

[spice ridge]

Ark Mechanicus are meant to be almost like mobile mini forge worlds iirc?

[storm jungle]

Yep

[spice ridge]

So them being hilariously huge does make sense

[storm jungle]

and again 15 kilometers+ is massive

[warm notch]

when the stars are at wars

[spice ridge]

They're not as armed to the teeth as an Imperial Navy BB

Yeah true, Ark Mechanicus ships tend to vary a fair bit

[verbal path]

When the warhammer is 40k.

[spice ridge]

Depends on how much the archmagos decided he really wanted to go into space

And what he or she wants to do up there

[dense salmon]

You mean to tell me he made forty THOUSAND hammers?

[spice ridge]

Usually plunder Necron tombs but sometimes they do other stuff

[warm notch]

https://tenor.com/view/ohhp-gif-4817530786571504521

[spice ridge]

Vulkan probably did craft 40,000 warhammers

[storm jungle]

40k fans not knowing basic math be like

"Ark Mechanicus “Redditus Mechanicus”, Dimensions: 43 km long, 6 km abeam at fins, Mass: 13 gigatonnes, Crew: 22.2 million crew + 11.1 million Servitors."

[verbal path]

Mr. Games Workshop forged 40k warhammers

[spice ridge]

"The ship is 100km long... No that doesn't seem big enough..."

[dense salmon]

John "War" Hammer

[storm jungle]

this is a true Star Wars Moment

someone post Snoke's dumbass ship

[warm notch]

That's Mr. John "War" Hammer to you

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/1513-mega-star-destroyer-gif-21222873

[spice ridge]

Tbf the writers themselves also tend to fail hilariously at math

[storm jungle]

yeah they just look up the wiki

which is commendable

[warm notch]

Is it comically large lol

[spice ridge]

Reminder when the battle for all of terra apparently had less combatants then Stalingrad alone

[storm jungle]

its just that I know at least a bit of math since i studied architecture and shit

and like most of these are a bit 💀

[spice ridge]

The rest of Terra's population is just chilling

[storm jungle]

Terra at least works

[spice ridge]

And the entire chaos fleet is like

[storm jungle]

because humans breed like rats

[spice ridge]

"egh whatever"

[warm notch]

If someone gives me a measurement I can't really imagine it

I can't even measure in "football fields"

💀

[spice ridge]

Perturabo left right before the siege began, taking 99% of chaos land forces with him

[storm jungle]

A lot of people have no idea how sizes work, like when you tell them an Imperator Titan is half the size of the Empire State's they go "thats small."

They have clearly never stood next to a building before

AUGHH-

[spice ridge]

Looks at Forerunner anything

Yea okay.

40k toootally wins

[storm jungle]

Literal Cheetos Ring

also yeah like

more chud 40k fans constantl go

"40K HAS THE BIGGEST SHIPS"

Mfer doesnt know any other sci-fi franchise

[verbal path]

16X THE DETAIL

[spice ridge]

Lots of 40k fans just kinda go "nuh uh" whenever you bring up anything else maybe beating the Imperium

Xelee sequence mfs

[warm notch]

Is it common to not know how sizes work 😭

I feel stupid

I'd even like to think I'm decent at math

[queen laurel]

yeah then they have a mental breakdown when i tell them that that heavily fortified possition got destroyed because I decided to teleport a giant fat mech on treads on top of it

[storm jungle]

My favorite is when they are like

"Look at this basic Imperial ship next to a Star Wars Star Destroyer."

Then they purposefully ignore the fact that the Empire has GIGANTIC capital-ships

[verbal path]

Yes it's like guys measuring their di-

[storm jungle]

KINDA

lemme get the Necron graph

they got like

[spice ridge]

Yeah kinda

[storm jungle]

3 ships

[warm notch]

GRAPH?

MORE CHARTS???

[storm jungle]

OF COURSE

[warm notch]

It really isn't a SF setting without charts

[storm jungle]

Gather around class

[spice ridge]

Forerunners had some insane shenanigans with their ships

[crisp heath]

Isn't the biggest necron ship only like 6 km?

[storm jungle]

Correct

[spice ridge]

Also they had way more megastructures than the Imperium and Necrons ever had so

[storm jungle]

[warm notch]

Is that a Death Star at the bottom

[spice ridge]

I think that's the world engine

[queen laurel]

Dilara has an hilarious amount of warhammer 40K images

[storm jungle]

Placeholder for the World Engine

[spice ridge]

Or meant to be the world engine

[warm notch]

How large even is the Death Star

So I have some comparison

[storm jungle]

GUYS ITS A PLANET

ITS IN THE NAME

[warm notch]

OH

[spice ridge]

Death Star is actually closer to like an asteroid

[storm jungle]

^

[spice ridge]

But yeah the World Engine is straight up the size of a planet

[warm notch]

HUH

[storm jungle]

yeah there it is

[storm jungle]

☝️

[spice ridge]

It's a mobile battleplanet

[queen laurel]

120 kilometers in diameter, while the second Death Star was 160 kilometers in diameter

[warm notch]

BRB Looking up the size of Starkiller planet

[storm jungle]

starkiller is an actual planet

[spice ridge]

Starkiller base is just Ilum

[storm jungle]

it has a WMD in the center

[spice ridge]

So just look up how big Ilum is

[warm notch]

Weak

[storm jungle]

yeee

[spice ridge]

(idk how they planned to move it after it finished eating its star )

[warm notch]

weaaaak

boo

[verbal path]

Nice World Eater. crashes a ship into it and destroys it.

[warm notch]

Performs Holdo manuever

[spice ridge]

Since it had like two shots before the star completely disappeared

[verbal path]

It had engines and could move

[spice ridge]

Riiiight

[verbal path]

The fucking thing apparently had a hyperdrive.

[storm jungle]

^

its

very stupid

and like very 40k

[spice ridge]

Yeah it'd fit right in with 40k

[storm jungle]

"It sounds cool, just put it in"

[spice ridge]

That sounds like an orky thing tbh

I'm surprised no orks have tried to weaponize a star

[storm jungle]

I remember uh

Neil Degrasse Tyson breaking down the Starkiller Base

its a really funny video

since he makes a lot of cool points, like how if it steals a sun's energy it doesnt need a power-source anymore

yet somehow constantly has to consume em to fire again lol

[spice ridge]

Don't worry about it

Just look at the cool CGI scene

[storm jungle]

Watching nerds like him explain this stuff is pretty nifty

[spice ridge]

And clap when the millenium falcon shows up

[storm jungle]

The vid for anyone thats curious

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QFHVAhARwyY?feature=share

[warm notch]

He's such a pedantic nerd

And I love/hate him for it

[storm jungle]

"Thats enough energy to explode a thousand planets."

[queen laurel]

You would need an Krork tier mek boy for that and in the first place weaponizing stars and just annihilating your enemies is no fun where's the fight?

[storm jungle]

Neil is speaking like a true Imperial

[zenith sinew]

Though sometimes he definitely has big "Aaaactually..." energy

[spice ridge]

True, weaponized stars is more like aeldari and necron tier shit

[storm jungle]

Yeah i like Neil from a small viewport

i wouldnt sit next to him for an hour

but small insights like these are fun

[zenith sinew]

Yes, that's my sentiment exactly lol

[warm notch]

He's a pretentious douche which is why we love him

[storm jungle]

Lmao true

[verbal path]

They probably have. Just burnt up on approach though

[warm notch]

We need someone like that in our world

[storm jungle]

Hes fun when he also has someone good to bounce off of i think

when its just him it gets annoying

[warm notch]

To remind us why we enjoy fiction lol

[warm notch]

YES

I did enjoy him in Cosmos tho

[storm jungle]

Yep same

[crisp heath]

I mean... pedantic is a bit much... I love neil. I think he and I have the same issue of oversharing sometimes, and wanting to download this interesting tidbit i know into someone else's head. And when doing that, I think he can come across a bit forceful in conversations and that puts people off... I have this issue a lot..

[storm jungle]

Yeah hes not a malicious person

hes just... a nerd sometimes

lmao

[spice ridge]

A nerd all the time* :p

But that's okay

[crisp heath]

💯

[storm jungle]

😩

also yeah hes not a dickhead

he just doesnt realise hes talking too much

[verbal path]

This scene is whenever 40k people discuss making new ships

https://youtu.be/NQ-8IuUkJJc?si=lWEVCFPY18s4YMAi

[spice ridge]

He's not a redditor who feels smugly superior

[queen laurel]

so like luetin?

[storm jungle]

YES

[warm notch]

yes

[queen laurel]

Alright boys we did it that's another Luetin doesn't shut up joke

[crisp heath]

@queen laurel lol yessss, leutin and him are the saaaaame!!! And I feel them both lolol

[storm jungle]

Luetin trying to explain the Warp using quantum physics gave me a headache

FOR A FUCKING HOUR

[spice ridge]

It's just magic bro

Don't gotta explain shit

[storm jungle]

At the start of the video he explicitly says "Now I know people will say its just magic, why do you have to explain, well I just want to."

[warm notch]

How can you explain space magic

[queen laurel]

I wanted to empty an entire shoota magazine on his body once because of how long he talks

[storm jungle]

clearly he got bullied at school

[spice ridge]

It's funny mind slurry that ships can fly through, somehow

[crisp heath]

I just think it's fun trying to explain things in fiction rationally when the author clearly didn't intend you to

[crisp heath]

Leutin is my spirit animal lolol

[outer wave]

An admirable endevour but one that will fail regardless

[storm jungle]

alas yeah

the video gets boring after like 5 minutes

[queen laurel]

how many hours do you need to talk about 10 guns

[verbal path]

One, apparently

[storm jungle]

JESUS

[queen laurel]

that's already too much

[storm jungle]

Yep thats a dyson sphere!

[queen laurel]

I KNOW

[spice ridge]

I'm surprised dyson spheres aren't mentioned hardly at all in 40k tbh

[crisp heath]

Broke: making the warp realistic by explaining quantum physics

Woke: making the warp realistic by explaining early 20th century occult theories and how they relate parallel dimensions

[spice ridge]

They're great energy sources

You'd think the necrons woulda had some at least

[verbal path]

Also man I looked into Gen chat for a second

💀

[crisp heath]

Bro I love leutin, yall stop being mean to my baby boy. And an hour of orc gun talk is amazing. Yall know you wanna talk but orc guns for an hour lol. In all seriousness though, I love sleeping to his vids

[storm jungle]

Trazyn has one!

[queen laurel]

the battlefield that makes a Khorne berzerker seem sane

[spice ridge]

Oh does he? Neat

[storm jungle]

Yeee

at least its acknowledge that they can make it

i guess you can explain it away by most just not wanting to bother

"I need more statues."

just like real rich people

[spice ridge]

True

[queen laurel]

He has a lot of shit in his museum, if you can have war in heaven stuff in there a Dyson sphere doesn't seem outlandish

[spice ridge]

Tbf they can apparently remotely detonate stars as well

[storm jungle]

his dyson sphere has a c'tan at the center iirc from Clonelord

[spice ridge]

Like a full on c'tan or just a really big shard of one?

Or one that didn't get a necrodermis bod?

And is still just munching on star stuff

(assuming that's still the c'tan's origin)

[storm jungle]

Full on c'tan i think, its been awhile

[spice ridge]

They might of retconned it

[storm jungle]

but even imprisoned c'tans make A TON of energy

the Silent King's throne is powered by one

he also has its skin somehow as a cloak 💀

[spice ridge]

C'tans period make hilarious amounts of energy from what I recall

[storm jungle]

Yeee they are literal space energy clouds given form

[spice ridge]

Which is why just shards of them are like daemon level?

Greater daemon level, that is

[storm jungle]

KINDA depends.

some are super OP some arent

[queen laurel]

still not powerful enough to deal with a general chat regular

[spice ridge]

Anyway let's talk about how the Forerunners no-diff the 'nids

[storm jungle]

Lmaooo

waves hand

explodes entire species

[spice ridge]

remotely fires rings
nids all die

Cool very good matchup

Good talk

[storm jungle]

my favorite part of Halo lore is how humanity went back to the Stone Age two times 💀

[crisp heath]

C'tan are just actual gods. They are to realspace/matter what chaos gods are to the warp

[queen laurel]

Considered master chief's armor as a hazard suit

[crisp heath]

The reason c'tan shards are as tough as greater daemons is because they are

[queen laurel]

That is some S tier insulting of how primitive you are in their eyes

[verbal path]

I strengthen myself by regularly going there

[spice ridge]

The Primordials also liked to devolve themselves

Though somethin eventually went wrong with that and that's how you got the flood

I think

Or it was something to do with their fancy super-space-internet

[storm jungle]

man whenever i think 40k's pre-timeline lore is wack I remember Halo

💀

[spark zenith]

40k twitter would be wild

[spice ridge]

Halo in generaly gets pretty wacky

[storm jungle]

https://youtu.be/feKEDaiML9A

[spice ridge]

The further back you look the sillier it can become

[storm jungle]

The lore of the Flood confuses more than most things in 40k

[spice ridge]

It's because of all the conflicting things and retcons between Bungie and 343

Just like most 40k loreee

[storm jungle]

Yes

lmao

[verbal path]

https://tenor.com/view/odst-halo-gif-21538676

Favorite thing about Halo

[storm jungle]

Cue the jazz

🎷

[crisp heath]

Assassins Creed lore is certainly something

[spark zenith]

I like halo lore because it’s not like humanity is a large player in the galactic community like in 40k or Star Trek, they were on the brink of extinction and were getting their shit pushed in

[spice ridge]

Elysium drop trooper Jazz music...

[storm jungle]

AA-

[spice ridge]

Halo also does the "humanity is losing" thing WAY better than 40k

[spark zenith]

The best cutscene ever made

[storm jungle]

VERY spicy-hot take

but i agree

[spice ridge]

Since humans are literally being eradicated in Halo

In 40k they're usually winning

And everything revolves around humans

[storm jungle]

Also half the covenant's weapons and even peashooters give you cancer 💀

[spice ridge]

The Imperium is still going strong despite how many writers insist it's failing

[spark zenith]

If I was in Halo I would be an ODST and shoot all the baddies

[warm notch]

based

[queen laurel]

My favorite thing about Halo is thisis this fucking thing the Mgalekgolo

[storm jungle]

Hunters are WACK

[spark zenith]

The worms!

[warm notch]

My favorite thing about Halo are the Sangheili

[storm jungle]

Reminder that they are the size of marine dreadnaughts

[warm notch]

N-Not because I find them hot

[spice ridge]

When Master Chief is involved usually yes but when you look around usually tons of humans are dying anyways

[spark zenith]

Wait really?

[storm jungle]

^

[median marsh]

Local worm boys become a huge spiky thing

[verbal path]

[spice ridge]

Reminder in Halo 3 basically ALL of Africa gets nuked/glassed because of some spicy popcorn

[queen laurel]

fighting them in the original game for the first time made me obliterate my underwear

[verbal path]

I love Hunters because they get bigger each game

[spice ridge]

Halo ODST is humans desperately fighting the remnants of the Covenant invasion and still losing

[verbal path]

Halo CE they were just lads but by Reach they were big lads

[spark zenith]

I keep forgetting you play as a 7 foot super soldier, grunts are fucking massive

[spice ridge]

Halo 1 is humans running away from the Covenant and also basically ALL dying when the Covenant catch up to them

[warm notch]

Halo ODST was peak

[spark zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/pomni-stare-the-amazing-digital-circus-huh-what-gif-14848454493863729355

[queen laurel]

Love what hunters are composed of the tiny worms, because the more of them form together a sentient Organism the more smarter it is

[storm jungle]

Grunts literally tear people apart in the books

[spice ridge]

Or when the Flood gets on them

[storm jungle]

its horrifying

[warm notch]

We need more Halo games based on ambience and survival

[queen laurel]

So you can literally have a Titan size hunter with the intelligence strong enough to rival the greatest minds in earth and surpassed them

[spice ridge]

Halo 2, humans can't stop the Covenant from invading Earth either

[storm jungle]

Yep

like uh

the game doesnt portray it too well but the Covenant are OP

Reach does it alot better

[spice ridge]

So to say humans are 'always winning' even in the games, unfortunately they are not.

[median marsh]

Remember, an entire continent got glassed

[warm notch]

Without Keith David humanity would've lost

This is so sad

[median marsh]

by like 2 ships

[warm notch]

TY Alien Keith David

[spark zenith]

I think a jackal would be easy enough to best in a fight, like I’d assume they have hollow bones being avian and such

[spice ridge]

But yeah Reach emphasizes it pretty well

[verbal path]

We did it Dilara, we destroyed the Covvie super carrier. Reach is saved

[warm notch]

😭

[median marsh]

(when the flood arrived, which is honestly way worse than getting glassed)

[spice ridge]

How do you fancy your chances against a Cassowary?

[queen laurel]

yeah Pancreasnowork said they would not only survive warhammer but thrive

[spark zenith]

… yeah good point

Won’t stop me from trying

[median marsh]

Cassowarys are hellspawn

[storm jungle]

NOOOO

https://youtu.be/aV61TGOe-BQ?t=82

[spice ridge]

With a lot of prep? Doable

[warm notch]

If people lost the Great Emu War then . . .

[storm jungle]

jesus christ

[median marsh]

now imagine getting kicked by that

[spark zenith]

For the emp- oh wait

[storm jungle]

yeah no thanks

[spice ridge]

Pancreasnowork did open my eyes to a lotta Halo stuff

I need to read all the Forerunner books

[storm jungle]

I think my favorite thing about this scene was how Jorge's entire sacrifice was pointless.

[spice ridge]

Hey they nailed a CSO!

[queen laurel]

And I would forgive them and if weren't for the fact that they sound like a demonic bass drophttps://youtu.be/oBv5LdM1FHI?si=BGBD3ZiVCe1MKHr9

[spark zenith]

No it wasn’t cease your anti UNSC propaganda

[spice ridge]

Too bad the Covenant has like...

A million more of them

[storm jungle]

Lmao

[spice ridge]

So a drop in the ocean, really

[storm jungle]

“He gave his life thinking he’d just saved the planet. We should all be so lucky...”

💀

[verbal path]

One of my favorite Noble deaths was Kat's because it showed just how fucked and bleak it was

[spice ridge]

Humans do plenty of final "fuck yous" to the Covenant throughout the war, tbf

Usually involving slip space drives or Nova bombs

[storm jungle]

Almost no game does that yeah.

In a war people can just randomly die for no reason out of nowhere.

[verbal path]

Imagine being a civilian seeing a Spartan team running to you only for one to get dropped like a sack of potatoes

[spark zenith]

Am I the only one who hate the flood and hope they don’t come back?

[spice ridge]

I think the Flood are neat

[median marsh]

if not for civil war and the flood Covenant would just swipe the worlds clean

[storm jungle]

I like Flood but they are like the co-poster boys of Halo.

They always return on some form because people love them and they are great nostalgia bait.

[warm notch]

I love those videos of people getting sniped right before they reach the Valkyrie or the elevator in Darktide

[spice ridge]

And they're very, very difficult to permanently get rid of

Like even harder than Ork spores

[queen laurel]

do you think it would be fun to talk to the highest stage of a gravemind?

[verbal path]

All the Spartan propaganda of them being unkillable and you just watched on die.

[storm jungle]

Yeah like if Flood get into 40k they'd literally snowball out of control

[median marsh]

"A single spore can annihilate a species"

[spice ridge]

There's a reason the Covenant is very thorough when it comes to glassing planets with the Flood even rumored to be on them

[storm jungle]

the thing about the Flood is every person they kill adds information to the Hive mind.

[verbal path]

N-no Tyranids can win!!!!

[median marsh]

Gravemind is horrifying

[spice ridge]

I do agree with Pancreas' take on the Flood in 40k in that they COULD win

[median marsh]

especially once it grows out of control

[queen laurel]

OK that answers my question then I can talk to him about my life if I feed him a therapist

[spice ridge]

Could being the operative word

[verbal path]

So they'd lose information after eating the average imperial citizen

[storm jungle]

Yeah it depends on the situation

[median marsh]

remember it literally formed planet sized brains for strategy

[verbal path]

[storm jungle]

Literally me

also when Flood get too big they can literally infect reality

which is uh

💀

[spice ridge]

If the Flood is on a single planet and is sniffed out by a competent/trigger happy Inquisitor, it's prolly gonna die instantly

[warm notch]

https://tenor.com/view/saltzpyre-eyebrow-raise-vermintide-gif-24052002

[storm jungle]

They are an entirely psychic/biological threat, so it depends

[outer wave]

Not to go "Erm but acktually!" dont the Nids have access to this sort of adaptation?

[storm jungle]

KIND of

Flood are a lot mor econnected

[queen laurel]

" what do you mean this generator likes listening to despacito?"

" that's what the information says"

[spice ridge]

The Flood kinda take it to a whole other level than the 'nids

[storm jungle]

Nids are a bit too seperate from each other

and dont operate too much as one

[spice ridge]

I don't really get people trying to say the 'Nids intelligence is on the level of a Gravemind

Like the Hivemind is smart, yeah

[verbal path]

Tyranids learn stuff based on their individual Hive fleet.

[median marsh]

Gravemind is beyond anything really

[spice ridge]

But it's not Tzeenchian levels of just as planned

[storm jungle]

Yeah what Steel said

[queen laurel]

They can pull some devious licks but not to the same extent as a gravemind

[storm jungle]

the Gravemind is actually smart.

Nids act more like animals.

[queen laurel]

i've seen the ******** they pull off

[median marsh]

Gravemind is basically omnipresent too

[spice ridge]

Also the 'nids, you can just shoot the synapse creature

[spark zenith]

You know what would be an infesting fight? The Borg vs the flood

[queen laurel]

the gravemind literally convince a super smart AI to turn against its creator

[outer wave]

Nids are animals on a psychic leash

[storm jungle]

This is the big point.

[queen laurel]

the rat has 100 in charisma

[verbal path]

And Tyranids actually infight if two Hive Fleets meet unlike the flood

Only infighting the flood do is friendly fire via rockets

[storm jungle]

Like the moment the Flood consume a Governor, Admiral, Marine Captain etc is when shit will start to go even worse. The big issue is them assimilating important/high ranking people.

[spice ridge]

"Psykers go insane because some asshole starts speaking iambic parameter to them every time they try to use their mind powers."

[warm notch]

I remember watching the Halo Legends anthology as a kid and being so confused how we got from deep Forerunner lore to fucking DBZ but Halo

[spice ridge]

Or whatever the Gravemind's method of speaking is called

[verbal path]

Nuh uh because the space marine would never lose to the flood

[queen laurel]

yeah imagine them absorbing the other biological marvels of warhammer, using ork dna information there troops are going to be one hell of a tough boot to chew

then you add eldar

[spark zenith]

But you know what is terrifying? The flood were so desperate to stop the prophet of truth from firing the rings that they fucking teamed up with the chief and arbiter to stop him

https://tenor.com/view/pomni-stare-the-amazing-digital-circus-huh-what-gif-14848454493863729355

[spice ridge]

But yeah sequence of events probably goes: Flood eats a hive world, spreads to neighboring worlds really fast thanks to warp travel and because it already has the collective, directed intelligence of TRILLIONS of humans a Gravemind is probably already forming and is wicked smart.

[outer wave]

Imagine the Nids actually took more inspiration from other races and put them into their bioforms instead of "Use same bioforms ad nausem" lmao

[verbal path]

I do wish the writers would remember Space Marines got that ability to absorb knowledge through eating brains or something

[queen laurel]

the genetic combinations they will pull off obliterate the galaxy

[warm notch]

I wonder if they eat corpsestarch they can absorb someone's knowledge lol

[spice ridge]

Yeah, Gravemind really didn't want everything set back to square one with ALL the rings being fired at full power

[outer wave]

I thought they did, but only for like Blood Angels? And its mostly because they DONT want to eat other races

[warm notch]

I mean, wouldn't that have killed all life in the universe

[spice ridge]

Not to mention it was so determined to stop the prophet that the Gravemind dropped the ENTIRETY of High Charity on the Ark

[median marsh]

its still a metric fuckton of biomass

[spice ridge]

This is true, but the Flood kinda works around that by discarding all the useful stuff and still gains exponentially more intelligence from every individual.

I don't thiiiink the Gravemind even needed that much biomass to form?

[median marsh]

High charity being infected by a single dropship is kinda terrifying, unless im remembering it wrong and there was more than a single pelican

[spice ridge]

By Halo 2 I doubt it had an entire planet's worth of mass

Yet the Gravemind was still up

So a single Hive world should be plenty for one to pop up

[spark zenith]

On the bright side, if the flood were in 40k they would infect Lucius and that dickhead would finally be gone

[spice ridge]

Which is very scary in and of itself because that might mean the Flood is hitting critical mass that much faster

And is about to start strangling the Imperium with space roads

[verbal path]

Sike Lucius just nukes all the flood after dying or something

[spare osprey]

Bro 1337 is the best

https://tenor.com/view/tjarkmanak-gif-18118324

[spice ridge]

Lucius reincarnates in the Gravemind itself

[verbal path]

https://tenor.com/view/spartan-halo-anime-punch-fight-gif-16147029

[spice ridge]

Chaos would find it increasingly difficult to counter the Flood the more powerful it grows

[verbal path]

Strongest Spartan.

[spare osprey]

“I’m one heck of a mama myself”

[verbal path]

1337 is definitely canon. Can't wait to see him in game

[spice ridge]

Since the Flood would kinda start doing Tyranid shenanigans and forming 'shadows in the warp' most likely

[outer wave]

But wait doesnt the flood show off emotion, even if its just one voice?

Wouldnt they be possibly prone to chaosisms?

[spare osprey]

Be Human is also a beautiful animation

[spice ridge]

Yeah the Flood is actively malicious but it also is very unlikely to be interested in anything Chaos

The gravemind showed some frustration with Keyes for example

[median marsh]

Gravemind is very capable of emotions

[spice ridge]

But that was just a speedbump

[spark zenith]

Would the grave mind become a chaos god?

[spice ridge]

You could argue Nurgle might gain power from the Flood but eghh

The Flood isn't really decay or disease in that sense

I mean they do call it a 'parasite'

Well how does one corrupt the gravemind

If it's smart enough to just go "nah" to every offer made to it

Or heaven forbid if it grows into a keymind

[outer wave]

Only rebuttal is that the gravemind can learn quantum mechanics and start bending reality at critical mass

[warm notch]

Weakest spartan

[spice ridge]

If it hits keymind levels it just goes "no u" to Chaos and starts doing C'tan levels of reality manipulation

And probably just shuts down Chaos as hard as the cadian pylons

But in a wider range

Oh yeah if it just got its tentacles on that kind of tech it would learn how to make more of it, too

[verbal path]

If the Tyranids can disrupt the Warp. They probably can too

[spice ridge]

Infected forge worlds finally become optimized and start cranking out anti-chaos machines if need be

Great rift is slammed closed followed by the Eye of Terror most likely

Yeah I'm sure the Chaos gods would try to fight back somehow

But what could they do if the Flood is already past its first 40k planet

Unless the Flood spawns in on a chaos world, not much

The galaxy's best hope would be the Necrons super-novaing every single planet in that sector of space

But if the Flood hits Gravemind/Keymind levels, the 40k galaxy is already fucked

[verbal path]

I can't believe the Necrons were the forerunners in disguise

[spice ridge]

The Forerunners managed containment because the rings nuked everything in the entire galaxy plus some change for a few hundred thousand lightyears

With only tiny little spores surviving on some planets but no longer able to infect anything until life re-evolves

[verbal path]

The necrons are still working on the removal all the living part, let them cook.

[spice ridge]

Egh the Keymind strikes me as too smart/insane for anything the chaos gods could throw at it

[crisp heath]

The flood from my understanding as a failed halo nerd, is that they are closer to the nids

[spice ridge]

It's already off its rocker in its own way after all

[outer wave]

Im wondering now: is it possible to feed a gravemind false information and basically fuck it up by making it perceive an enemy or something as true when its absolutely false?

[verbal path]

Feed it Imperial citizens to reduce its intelligence.

[spice ridge]

You might be able to gaslight the gravemind for a while but the gravemind can observe things itself

It'll eventually learn to discard/destroy incorrect information

[crisp heath]

Yes and no

[spice ridge]

So you might be able to throw it off for a while but the gravemind is insanely smart

So it'll figure out your ruse eventually

[outer wave]

Would be funny to see tbh

[crisp heath]

I think Cortana tried something like that, and it hurt it or made it uncomfortable, but inevitably got past it

[spice ridge]

But yeah even without neural physics, if you really wanna nerf the flood like that, chaos gods still ain't stopping it

[crisp heath]

Chaos can't even deal with the nids... they def couldn't handle flood

[spice ridge]

Flood + Imperium production capacity and probably beginning to cast anti-warp shadows like the 'Nids would already be game over for the chaos gods

Gets its tentacles into Necron tech and starts doing even more anti-warp shenanigans

[crisp heath]

@crisp heath we ain't selling so that's good

[spice ridge]

Since the Flood can also infect non-living things past a certain point once it's a Keymind anyways

[spare osprey]

Yeah no I mean the flood would dominate in 40K

[spice ridge]

Or it'd just attack the Necrons and overwhelm a tomb world

And learn Necron tech that way

[spare osprey]

And AI. Logic virus and all

[spice ridge]

Yeah I can't imagine why the logic plague wouldn't work on at least some low level necrons

Or ones that are slow to wake up

Since they're very machine-like

[crisp heath]

It definitely would on the ones that still haven't regained their sentience

[spare osprey]

Admech would get fucked

[spice ridge]

Yeah if they don't have a personality that lord is fucked

Eldar would honestly stand the best chance with their fancy powers and weird wraithbone stuff

But again, the Flood could just overwhelm them

[spare osprey]

God imagine the flood in the webway

[spice ridge]

Since assuming the Flood doesn't get psychic powers

Since it's anti-warp stuff

[crisp heath]

They'd last the longest due to the webway more than anything