40k-lore-chat

[dense salmon]

If that death was a violent one, khorne eats too

[green loom]

Read End and the Death

[crisp heath]

🤣 😂 now I just feel like I'm being consoled for a lost girlfriend. "Don't worry buddy, there's plenty of eldritch fish in that hellish sea!"

[dense salmon]

Lol

[lapis wadi]

I wonder sometimes if the Imperial Cult wasn't the Emperor's back-up plan
If he can't starve the warp of any worship, intentionally direct it all to himself instead.

[tulip brook]

I don't think 40k fractured emperor becoming god and 30k dark king god would be the same

[green loom]

There's some implications

In da nu book

Also Star child theory is back on

[lapis wadi]

Yeah I'm actually hella behind on my lore >>

[crisp heath]

Yup

[arctic talon]

A new eye of terror centered on terra

Will 100% happen

[crisp heath]

Wouldn't doubt it

[storm jungle]

an

Eye of Terra

if you will

[arctic talon]

Heh

[crisp heath]

🤣

[arctic talon]

Oh all human souls would most likely go to him lol

[green loom]

Like the Eye of Terra visible on Horus' battleplate?

[tulip brook]

emperor being offline for moments should be a feast for chaos in terra

[arctic talon]

We’ll see if uh

[lapis wadi]

[arctic talon]

It’s a good fate or an absolutely terrible one

My bet is on terrible

Mostly since chaos god

[lapis wadi]

Gestures vaguely at the alternative

[hollow falcon]

The question is, will it be bad or less bad for humans in general?

[arctic talon]

Worse imo

[lapis wadi]

Worse short-term

[arctic talon]

The imperium would shatter

[dense salmon]

There is never a good outcome to an eternity as a cruel God's plaything

[arctic talon]

Into infighting

[tulip brook]

the setting is: then it got worse

[arctic talon]

And then no more warp travel

[lapis wadi]

Long-term I have no idea honestly, too many variables and unknowns

[arctic talon]

And also the emperor might just become even more comically evil

[hollow falcon]

and for human souls?

[dense salmon]

Imagine a sparrow carving a rock out of a mountain with its beak to build a nest.

[arctic talon]

Prolly eternal damnation.

[green loom]

Instead of just being eaten like rn

[dense salmon]

It lays eggs, they hatch, and its children do the same

The cycle goes on and on for millions of years until the mountain is leveled

That is the first second of eternity

[tulip brook]

the guy is feeding with human souls already

[dense salmon]

That is the power you give chaos over your soul

[crisp heath]

Ehhh, who knows. Slanesh has to be fun at least some times

[green loom]

No your soul just gets eaten

lol

[dense salmon]

You become a part of that God

[tulip brook]

bigger emps with bigger appetite

[dense salmon]

If you're lucky

[hollow falcon]

What aspect would then the Emps be?

[dense salmon]

Humanity

[normal light]

What is the topic?

[dense salmon]

I guess

[hollow falcon]

I thought so

[crisp heath]

Yea, he'd be us bro. The worst aspect 🤣

The real chaos

[dense salmon]

He's be the good and bad aspects

[green loom]

Per new stuff

He'd be the Chaos God of Ruin or something

[dense salmon]

The emperor in life was the good and bad aspects of humanity

He was a warmonger, but also an artist

[crisp heath]

I think it'd just be that 10x

[normal light]

You are discussing if the Emperor is a chaos god?

[crisp heath]

Yea

[tulip brook]

what kind of chaos god he would be

[normal light]

Technically he is a Chaos god

His followers also are granted gifts

[hollow falcon]

and how his realm would look like

[crisp heath]

Right, but like, what would his aspect or in dnd terms portfolio be

Like Khorn is war, nurgle plague/death, slanesh....

[dense salmon]

Humanity

Just the concept of humanity

[hollow falcon]

Human Supremacy

[warm notch]

We lost a real one out in the field

Pour one out for Wyrmwood

😔

[normal light]

“HUMANITY FIRST”

[dense salmon]

[crisp heath]

@dense salmon you said this already, chaos crab was asking and I'm curious his answer

[normal light]

?

[crisp heath]

Referencing this, I answered then Venus responded again lolol

[normal light]

Nah, the situation just got better, we don’t need to save her

[tulip brook]

chaos god of conquest, greater demon rhino

[normal light]

Oh

[crisp heath]

Nw

[normal light]

Also, chaos cult gains power

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/makima-chainsaw-man-makima-chainsaw-man-makima-cute-makima-pretty-gif-27031048

[normal light]

And it’s good

[normal light]

[crisp heath]

@normal light @dense salmon I actually don't think humanity, because Slabesh doesn't embody the Eldar right?

[normal light]

We follow chaos undivided

[crisp heath]

Bine of the other gods embody species

[normal light]

Well Khain is also god of war

[crisp heath]

Even the Taus god embodies the Greater Good, and not the tau themselves

[normal light]

And Khain is and Eldar god

[dense salmon]

Slaanesh isn't the god of the eldar

[normal light]

Yeah

Just a greater daemon

[crisp heath]

But they are chaos gods, aren't they? Idk much about the elders gods. I thought that were more like weapons, similar to the Ctan

@normal light

[normal light]

Nah

There were lot of them

[green loom]

They straight up say what the Dark King is guys, it ain't a secret anymore

[tulip brook]

until slaanesh nommed most of them

[normal light]

Before Slaanesh eaten most of them

[dense salmon]

Slaanesh is the god of excess

[arctic talon]

I wonder if slaanesh is still digesting the gods so to speak

The same way they were in AoS

[normal light]

[arctic talon]

With elf souls

[normal light]

Casual Slaanesh meal

[crisp heath]

Right, but like, they arent the same as the Chaos gods, and aren't warp based right? I really don't know

[dense salmon]

They are warp based. They are the concept of excess

[normal light]

All stuff like this is warp based

[dense salmon]

They were birthed by the eldar but they are a concept that always existed

[normal light]

Even Khain

[crisp heath]

Ahh ok.

[green loom]

Eldar are an exceptionally warpy race

They are to warpy shit what the necrons are to physical reality

[normal light]

Yep thanks to them I can enjoy EYE OF TERROR

[crisp heath]

So like, then again. None of them really embodied their species then. They all embodied concepts the Eldar valued and whatnot right? Life, death, wealth, magic, experience whatever

[green loom]

I think the implication is they were planted by the Old Ones

In like the Asurmen book or something?

[crisp heath]

My point is, I dont think the emperor qiuld flat embody "humanity"

It would be something about us

[green loom]

I'm telling you he'd be the God of Ruin

[crisp heath]

Maybe a lot of things.

[normal light]

He is the best candidate

[storm jungle]

I read that as "femboy humanity" and I got a bit worried

[green loom]

Brain rot

[normal light]

Slaaneshi brain rot

[crisp heath]

I get that, but I mean no other being works like that

They all embody qualities and aspects

[normal light]

God of Bad Parenting

[green loom]

He'd be the Chaos God of Ruin

[near wasp]

Chaos god of child abuse

[crisp heath]

I'm dead 🤣

[normal light]

Because he ruined everything?

Being a parent

Winning a civil war

Restoring humanity

[green loom]

He'd be the Chaos God of Ruin because he'd ruin the mystery

[normal light]

Mystery of what?

[crisp heath]

Unpopular opinion: The Emperor is Malice

[green loom]

The Heresy and like all the speculation around it

He spoils the mystery

And thus ruins it

Since there's unlikely to be a satisfying ending

[arctic talon]

Malice got summoned to realspace once

So can’t be him

[dense salmon]

The sanguinius mystery?

[near wasp]

The emperor is the anathema

[crisp heath]

Blah fiiiine lolol

[normal light]

Malice poor creature

[green loom]

Malice deez nuts

[crisp heath]

Was me being stupid mostly

[patent ivy]

Shame what happened to the Alpha legion

[green loom]

Deserved

[near wasp]

Nothing happened to the alpha legion

[dense salmon]

Nah these are the questions that spark debate

[normal light]

They were fighting how they were prepared

[dense salmon]

Debate can be healthy and good

[near wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-war-basingse-hypnotized-brainwashing-gif-17917884

[crisp heath]

Honestly that's why I do it mostly lol

[dense salmon]

Challenging your own assumptions in an interest is the way we learn

[crisp heath]

I know a little about a lot and find I learn more by stirring the pot

[green loom]

It's like poetry, it rhymes

[dense salmon]

"When you want an answer to a question, shout the incorrect one into a crowd and hear the response"

[winter vessel]

Lake Laogai

[normal light]

Or schizophrenia

[green loom]

in 40k it's typically the opposite

[dense salmon]

Say the wrong answer but make it so funny people just believe it

[green loom]

And then telephone game it for 20 years

[normal light]

Say that it is from the meme

[near wasp]

This chat is your brain creating people with similar interests to fill the viod

[dense salmon]

Cato sicarius had his street cred irreversibly annihilated by TTS

[green loom]

Mention ultramarines

The fandom:

https://tenor.com/view/tyler1-tyler1meltdown-tyler1rage-tyler1imploding-oh-no-gif-16001412

[near wasp]

Ultramarines are the best

[green loom]

He doesn't even read that bad

[near wasp]

Fight me

[normal light]

Blueberries shall die

[dense salmon]

"I, Cato Sicarius, knight champion of McCragge, claim this meme in the name of Guilliman and the Emperor!"

[green loom]

It's like, way better than the usual Nick Kyme crap

[patent ivy]

Alpha legion wanted what was best for the universe, no?

[green loom]

God no

[normal light]

No

They were also traitors and that’s all

[dense salmon]

Cato sicarius recently had his stories improve

[normal light]

They wanted to achieve their own goals

[dense salmon]

Reading about him fighting the tyranid carnifex was awesome

Old one eye

[green loom]

They were deluded morons so far up their own assholes with schemes that they didn't have breakfast without twenty five different, unrelated handlers signing off on it

[patent ivy]

Weren’t they traitors because they thought by doing so, Chaos would be ended?

[dense salmon]

Alpha legion doesn't even know what their primarch wanted

And their primarch only thought he knew what the emperor wanted

[patent ivy]

Ah

[green loom]

That was the prophecy the cabal gave them

[normal light]

It that’s true they are pretty freaking stupid

[green loom]

But by the Siege they're doing their own thing

[patent ivy]

I guess it isn’t a shame the

[near wasp]

The alpha legion is over estimated, when really they have no idea what they are doing anymore

[crisp heath]

@normal light if that's the case, I'm honored to be among the many voices your brain conjured up. Btw, just wanted to know if I could put in for a better simulated reality? This is a rather dingy house I live in and I'd like to move on up to a nice 4 bedroom? Whatdoyasay?

[green loom]

The idea was that by supporting Horus they'd make sure humantiy dies

Thus starving chaos of it's most plentiful food source

[normal light]

Nah you get what you deserve

[crisp heath]

Ah... the imperium

[near wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/neil-patrick-harris-spit-drink-what-omg-how-i-met-your-mother-gif-7618939

[patent ivy]

But wouldn’t that be a good thing for the universe as a whole?

Or was that just wrong overall

[dense salmon]

The only real problem with the ultramarines was GW making them the paragon of all space marines

"What every chapter aspires to be"

[normal light]

Ah… THE CHAOS GODS… Be grateful you don’t live in a pit full of some weird stuff

[dense salmon]

And the characters were pretty overpowered

[green loom]

I'm theory, but after their banged up operation on Pluto and the death of Alpharius, they seemingly switched goals

[winter vessel]

laughs in Black Templars

[patent ivy]

Ah

I like this chat

[dense salmon]

Like honestly reading their books in that time you'd think Cato and calgar could solo the fucking horus heresy if they were there

[patent ivy]

Very helpful

[normal light]

[crisp heath]

Look good sir, I do good work for you. Please keep the weird door in the back closed. The weird gurgles, moans, and slurps I hear are enough torture.

[green loom]

I'm about to read Fall of Damnos once I have time

[normal light]

So be it, keep serving me well and I might reward you

[crisp heath]

https://tenor.com/view/iamproudofyou-my-hero-gif-18489622

[normal light]

I still need to paint my plastic overlords

This is my duty

[near wasp]

I need to finish my necrons before i order my knight

[normal light]

I am thinking about finishing my Chaos Legionaries which will be not fast

And getting some enemies for them

Maybe loyalist marines

[green loom]

I need to do art but exams

[normal light]

Same squad

[normal light]

Nah 4 months in the future I will be in your situation

[near wasp]

You dont need to do art, at least mine rn

[dense salmon]

Do you think ciaphas cain could have killed that world eater if he didn't have jurgen's help

[near wasp]

Probably not

[green loom]

They're older books right?

I wouldn't be surprised if he did but iirc in the scene he was able to just hold his own long enough for Jurgen to pop up

[dense salmon]

Even so, that's an insane feat

I recall getting goosebumps reading it

When the world eater leaps at him and swings his weapon at ciaphas

And ciaphas says "that was his first mistake"

Tingles

[green loom]

Ugghh

If only I could afford audiobooks

[dense salmon]

The narration for the cain series is wonderful

I own it on audible

[green loom]

Who's the narrator

[dense salmon]

Multiple, but the majority is Stephen peering

Perring*

[near wasp]

Audible subscription gives you credits that you can spend on books, cheaper than just outwrite buying books

[dense salmon]

3 credits a month iirc

[green loom]

I can't really afford the sub either

[dense salmon]

1 credit is good for 1 book

[green loom]

Maybe once I clear my cooms

[near wasp]

[crisp heath]

😏

[dense salmon]

The cain series is old but only a few bits are outdated

Like the necron pariahs

And sometimes Jurgen being a blank is a blatant asspull

[green loom]

"A cup of recaf" comes to mind

[near wasp]

I could go for some recaf

[dense salmon]

Recaf is still a thing no?

[green loom]

I mean the short

[dense salmon]

Ah lol

Recaf doesn't sound so bad

Basically just super black tea

[green loom]

Sorry it's "A Mug of Recaff"

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/z9pqqx/excerpt_a_mug_of_recaff_jurgen_casually_kills_an/

[dense salmon]

Jurgen's blankness works in ways it really shouldn't sometimes

But jurgen is so loveable despite his ugly mug I'll give it a pass

My headcanon isn't that he's actually ugly, his pariah gene just makes him physically repulsive to normal humans

[green loom]

Same

Like he can't be that bad

Being ugly is like part and parcel for guardsmen

[dense salmon]

Random guardsmen witnessing ciaphas duel a space marine and show more interest in a cup of tea than the 1v1:

https://tenor.com/view/black-guy-poggers-poggers-pog-gif-22576295

[normal light]

It was guardsman from Praetorian Guard

Everything is correct

[patent ivy]

One of my favorite things to do is see if people make a custom lego minifig for x

Pretty cool

[crisp heath]

Random thought, it'd be cool if like, actual music was made for 40k. Not thematic music, like in universe music. I'm curious. You know with all the trauma and war and stress they have to have some awesome street musician types. I'm thinking like pipe drums, some wire strings, and synth shit. Maybe like a futuristic version of this.

https://youtu.be/US7c9ASVfNc?si=RZAQkiCrL7Jr3lRC

BTW you're welcome for being dated you old bats

I have high hopes for the new Cavill show. I really want it to showcase more of like, the actual life of people in the imperium.

[patent ivy]

Hmph, would be interesting

I think I recall seeing this when I was younger, no way am I old

[crisp heath]

That's almost two decades old brudda

If not more

Would the emperor have eventually either thunder warrior treatment or some other way have phased out ogryns from human mutations(?) if he had succeeded

Or would he have left them as is due to their usefulness

[arctic talon]

Most likely would have thunder warriored them

There was a heavily implied possibility he was gona purge marines

As well

[crisp heath]

Kinda sad but I expected it

This is the correct answer, but we all know there ain't no way the lovable brutes are ever leaving

Actually are ogryns mutant humans or are they like their own unique species at this point?

They're abhumans

[arctic talon]

Abhumans, so evolved humans

[patent ivy]

Purge the Marines?

Like just of traitors, right

[scenic bolt]

no completely, stem and root

[patent ivy]

What?!

Was it that he just couldn't trust them anymore after the Heresy?

[wet sandal]

No, he could just do better

Thunderwarrior style

[scenic bolt]

like the thunder warriors, the empire's transitional period would have progressed far enough that they would become an active threat to it

[storm jungle]

^

He basically didnt trust them yeah

[patent ivy]

I see

[scenic bolt]

which kinda got proven with how many chaos and traitor marines are floating about

[storm jungle]

he said humans should govern themselves

[storm jungle]

^

[patent ivy]

HAH

Sounds like a plandemic

Create a problem then try to reverse it

[arctic talon]

Also the emperor hates transhumans

A ton lol

[wet sandal]

It's like when you unlock a new unit in an rts you purge all the old ones to empty the unit cap

[arctic talon]

lol

[patent ivy]

True

[green loom]

The heresy proved his point pretty much lol

You make superhumans, there's gonna be a superiority complex brewing there

[storm jungle]

yeah like even if there was no Chaos Gods the marines would have still caused some secessionist war

the primarchs especially were the biggest root of the issue

[scenic bolt]

(primarchs wouldve been purged too)

[patent ivy]

When you say he wanted humans to rule themselves, is that still under his rule, or a return to 20th millenium and before

[arctic talon]

Under his rule

[patent ivy]

Okay

[arctic talon]

Or under malcadors

It’s unclear

He might have just killed himself or something

[storm jungle]

KEK

[patent ivy]

Man he just cannot help his case 🤣

He is never beating the allegations

[arctic talon]

Only superhumans he liked

Were the custodes

Lol

[wet sandal]

Le part of the plan

[storm jungle]

also

in a more "realistic" setting

where the Emperor wasnt braindead

he'd have just made Custodians the generals of Imperial armies

but if he did that we wouldn't have a cashcow Horus Heresy series

[wet sandal]

He made the primarchs because.... uuh you wouldn't get it (all part of his plan)

[storm jungle]

It was all dat MONEYYYY BABY

WE LOVE THE METS

[wet sandal]

When I read 40k lore I simply pretend Horus heresy doesn't exist. I'm like "wow horus? What a mysterious character. I wonder what happens to him."

[scenic bolt]

in the best read of the setting as is, theyre the right tools at that point in time, like when you're nailing a house together you use a hammer, but once its fully assembled you put down the hammer and nails and pick up the paintbrush

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much

[scenic bolt]

horus heresy was better when it was an ancient event whose records have been largely lost to time

[desert dust]

It's more interesting that way tbh.

[spare osprey]

you think a marine ever called emps gramps

[scenic bolt]

(it was created so that GW didnt have to make more than one army for the Titanicus boardgame)

[desert dust]

Like trying to piece together events in the hersey from the nightlords trilogy is far more interesting then reading about how Mr nightlord boss man grabbed onto a space ship and flew into a dark angel ship

[wet sandal]

It was actually all part of GWs plan to discontinue Imperial Armour

Tzeentch is the CEO of Games Workshop

[crisp heath]

I'm really late, but I'd say it wouldn't actually be under his rule. Going off the propaganda at least, lol, he was hidden among the masses for all of human history with out taking over. Maybe after shepherding us through the storm, he'd go hands off again, and truly let humanity lead itself.

Maybe all of this was simply out of necessity

[arctic talon]

Maybe

But we’ll never know lul

[crisp heath]

So malcador sent a planet into the warp with grey knights on it or so I’ve heard in a podcast

[storm jungle]

It was Titan

the actual planet

[crisp heath]

And I’m wondering, could the eldar chief super nerd(eldrad?) do the same thing to terra if he wanted to

Or would slanesh just rip him apart as soon as he started to flex

[storm jungle]

Possibly, because super-psykers in this setting are only restrained by plot

so its very Yes/No depending on whos writing it

[crisp heath]

I feel the emperor would contest it but not sure how it would turn out

[storm jungle]

the Emperor's abilities are literally "Yes"

since he has DeviantArt OC tier powers

[crisp heath]

Lol

I wonder what would fix him, more books or information on him or ignoring his existence

[crisp heath]

I'd say yes and no too. Because you got the emperor's body there, it's a toss up what happens. Could be he sits idle and nothing happens and humanity gets shit on. Could be a warp storm the likes of which nobody wants happens and humanity gets shit on

Since I know a lot of dudes don’t like him

[storm jungle]

Eldrad?

[crisp heath]

That nerd

[storm jungle]

Magnus?

Malcador?

Ahriman?

Me?

[crisp heath]

Oh

No I mean the emperor

[storm jungle]

Lmao yeah theres a lot of nerds in 40k

but basically again, it depends on the plot

like 40k works on the logic of "writers wanted it"

"Why do we have a new Imperial Guard tank?"

"Writers said so"

[crisp heath]

Like... I know it defeats his purpose so bad. But some day, when Warhammer begins to inevitably die, I need to have the Emperor's actual biography released.

[storm jungle]

We already know a lot about his origin

the only missing bits are what he did when he was a Hittite to 30k

[crisp heath]

Right, but I want the full damn story rofl

I kinda want to hear the thought process behind his choices

All the way through

@crisp heath this so much tooo

[storm jungle]

Master of Mankind and End and the Death explain most of it but its really not that deep

he also suffers way too much from Too many Cooks Syndrome

[crisp heath]

Bleh, I still want it darnit!

[storm jungle]

Well you had 55+ books to discover it good luck

[crisp heath]

I feel like explaining him though does him a disservice

I'm a 40k nerd. I'm dumb. Spell it out for me

He is an unknowable being

So far beyond anything we will ever be

[storm jungle]

Basically just humanity to not rely on the Warp and become a Psychic Race™️

thats more or less entirely it

[crisp heath]

Give him the eldtrich god experience

Don’t explain it

The horror!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/saturday-night-live-maya-rudolph-snl-the-horror-horrified-gif-4550434

[storm jungle]

[crisp heath]

Lol look, it may not intrest you, but idk... with all the theories and stuff, I'd say there's a lot we don't know about the Emperor. And also, I just think it'd be dope if it was dictated from his perspective. I want to know his actual thoughts, not the representation of them by someone else remembering what happened thousands of years ago. I want the emperors words and memories and thoughts. And in some sense, I want his justification. I think it'd be dope. But I also know that will likely only ever happen at the end of warhammer 40ks life, if that ever comes.

[dense salmon]

Iirc he did have discussions with malcador and some primarchs about pursuing arts and architecture

After the crusade

But that may have just been performance

[arctic talon]

Tbh

It could have just been purging the “problematic” ones

Anyone who didn’t take that up

[dense salmon]

Corvus was all for the idea of primarchs and marines being euthanized

As sad as it is, people like angron have zero purpose outside of warfare

He is a terrible leader and by no means a great thinker

Even Kurze has some merit as a peacekeeper

[crisp heath]

Lol warhammers Batman

[dense salmon]

Angron being euthanized would have been a mercy

[dense salmon]

"Fear will keep them in line."

[crisp heath]

If that's batman, does that make Sangy boy Supes?

[dense salmon]

Mortarion didnt like the emperor and would have likely rebelled eventually

And tbh, he didn't seem the type of guy to thrive in peace

Neither did corvus

Corvus is like space che guevara

[storm jungle]

Sanguinius is basically a very blatant Jesus metaphor

[crisp heath]

I can see it

[storm jungle]

and just any generic christian angel

[dense salmon]

Jesus/archangel michael

[storm jungle]

Venuz can probably explain it better than I can tho

[crisp heath]

So, yea... he's supes lol

[dense salmon]

With a seasoning of dracula

[arctic talon]

Sanguinius’s death day gets celebrated

Like Christmas

Sanguinala

[dense salmon]

Sanguinius is overtly angelic

[storm jungle]

Yeah the entire purpose of the holiday is also "he died for our sins"

Yeee

hes not really subtle

[dense salmon]

He represents the emperor's wrath and the emperor's grace

Much like angels in Christianity

He's a powerhouse but he didn't enjoy war

[crisp heath]

So we got batman and superman. Where's the rest of WH40K Justice league

[dense salmon]

Jesus is a messiah of peace which is why the comparison isn't exactly 1:1

[crisp heath]

Lol who's Martian man hunter

[dense salmon]

But there are Christ-like undertones

[storm jungle]

yeah Jesus didn't really uh

you know

abet genocide

or war

[dense salmon]

Or fly

[storm jungle]

if only

[dense salmon]

Well, he did kind of fly

[crisp heath]

I mean, he might have flown

You don't know how he walked on that water lolol

Kidding, kidding

[dense salmon]

Sanguinius is a lot like biblical warriors like Samson or David

[winter vessel]

on his last day on earth, he instructed his followers to make disciples of all nations, before he ascended to heaven

[storm jungle]

Yeah even his death artwork is very "slain angel"

his death in the new book is much worse

[crisp heath]

@winter vessel ayy, that works too. But... I don't think Sangy boy was acending like that after what happened to him

[dense salmon]

Yes, He didn't die. He simply went to heavenb

[crisp heath]

My boy was brutalized

https://tenor.com/view/godfather-massacre-sad-gif-16810633

[dense salmon]

Sanguinius deserved better

[crisp heath]

Literally how I felt when I read that bs

[dense salmon]

People give the rhetoric that he knew he would lose

But that isn't the case

[crisp heath]

He didn't know he'd lose like that

[dense salmon]

He foresaw losing but knew he had a chance to win if he fought perfectly

[crisp heath]

Ain't no way in hells high waters

[storm jungle]

According to the new book

he had to face Horus and knew it

he wanted to defy destiny

and win the fight

[dense salmon]

He clung to hope that he could win

But it wasn't even close

[storm jungle]

He actually kicks Horus' ass and makes him drop to a knee

then uh

we learn Horus wasn't even trying

[crisp heath]

That.

[storm jungle]

and he beats the shit out of him

[crisp heath]

Fucking. That.

[dense salmon]

Horus said "light work, no reaction"

Starts sipping the chaos creatine

And gives sanguinius the most humiliating and brutal ass whooping ive had the displeasure of reading

Sanguinius couldn't even say his final words

[storm jungle]

Yep.

He beats him so bad his face peels off like a mask, Sanguinius cant even say any defiant words because his blood is clogging his throat.

If you want more christian imagery once Horus turns away demons come to nail Sang's body up.

[crisp heath]

I repeat.
https://tenor.com/view/godfather-massacre-sad-gif-16810633

[dense salmon]

To further the tragedy

At that point, Horus was dead as well

[storm jungle]

also yeah Horus is completely insane

[dense salmon]

More an avatar of the ruinous powers than himself

[storm jungle]

and extremely delusional

[arctic talon]

Sang getting such a brutal death is befitting of a warhammer character

[dense salmon]

It's a tearjerker for sure

It's realistic honestly

Real life isn't an opera

[storm jungle]

He basically beats him like a dog yeah

[dense salmon]

Many good people die humiliating and disgraceful deaths

[storm jungle]

even the book says there was no artistry

he just beat him to death

[crisp heath]

I mean... like... it's better than the pedestal endings that always happen... but like... they couldn't have chose a different moment to do some shit like this lolol. I'd have rathered the vampire bs to this. My baby boy Sangy damnit!!!

[dense salmon]

It's fitting though

Sanguinius was always fighting an internal battle with his dark side

[crisp heath]

Fitting up my craw with sadness and depression, yes

Lolol

Kidding mostly

I get what you're saying

[dense salmon]

A lot of the primarchs had minds suited to advancing humanity beyond war

Magnus, Dorn, Guilliman, and Perturabo being notable examples

Vulcan and Ferrus too

Dorn especially was not a fan of war, preferring statues, paintings, and beautiful architecture to gun batteries and fortress walls

[grave sparrow]

Fulgrim without the Laer blade would've been top tier leader post great crusade

Dude turning every world he could into paradise

same thing with Magnus

[dense salmon]

Agreed. My only gripe with him is he seems the type to make arts for aesthetics rather than soul

[undone zodiac]

Curze being judge
"Your honour! Jaywalk..."
death

[grave sparrow]

He can't make things for the soul, he's incapable of not making things perfect with his art

[dense salmon]

Curze sees all crime as equal

He has a completely binary view on good and evil

If you litter

To him, you're as abhorrent as a murderer

[grave sparrow]

Lil kid jaywalkin

gets SWOOPED

[dense salmon]

And he will absolutely flay you to make you an example

[green loom]

If you might litter, he'll get a vision about a possible future where you do so and kill you as well

[dense salmon]

Yes

So not only is he absolutely draconian

He has uh

The fucking

Whats that movie with Tom cruise

Where they see future crime

Curze also believed the other primarchs were as fucked up as he was

So he was not really a fan of the emperor, his brothers, or really anything

[storm jungle]

Curze was the EPITOME of copium

like hes right but also like

you literally flayed a girl committing suicide

you got no ground to stand on you piece of shit lol

cry me a goddamn river

[grave sparrow]

Curze's biggest sin was saving lorgar from corvus

[green loom]

I've met someone that defended curze before

[dense salmon]

In curze's defense

He was genuinely insane

[green loom]

I mean like for everything

Reasoning that he grew up on the street eating rats

[grave sparrow]

Insanity plea lol

[dense salmon]

Curze being euthanized would have been a mercy he welcomed

[brisk vine]

Perturabo's pursuits were pretty ehhhhh

[dense salmon]

This guy literally allowed himself to be decapitated to prove a point

[grave sparrow]

Oh no, he grew up in a city with PEOPLE

Meanwhile there's primarchs who were first exposed to the world in lava lol

[brisk vine]

He locked it all away for his own satisfaction iirc

[dense salmon]

It's hard to sympathize with curze when you read how he tortured vulcan

[green loom]

Was Corax the one embedded into a cave somewhere

[grave sparrow]

Corax grew up in a prison moon

[dense salmon]

Corvus grew up on a prison planet that were serfs to a techno-aristocracy

[arctic talon]

Curze had a fucked up life

[green loom]

I'll personally go to and shoot anyone who defends Pert

[arctic talon]

But like

Does not excuse flaying babies

[dense salmon]

He lead a rebellion and nuked the people who oppressed his

And when I say nuke I mean like

Giga hiroshima

[brisk vine]

Same

[green loom]

Yeah I know he grabbed the nuclear arsenal stored on the moon and sent it

Which makes him being a loyalist that much funnier

[grave sparrow]

I thought he only sent 5 nukes but knew where all the nukes on the planet were stored

big ol sympathetic detonation

[dense salmon]

Im sure if corvus knew that the galaxy was at peace

He would have elected to be euthanized

He's a rebel

And a freedom fighter

[green loom]

"I despise tyrants, fuck tyrants!"
"Omg Emperor hiiiii!"

[dense salmon]

If he has no cause, he has nothing

[arctic talon]

He still hates the emperor

[grave sparrow]

the whole bit where Corvus could see the true emperor's body cracked me up

like he's just normal ass lookin dude lol

[arctic talon]

The sisters of silence can’t talk bcs big E doesn’t want to do his hair

Or wear his armor

No one can know the secret

[dense salmon]

Big E and corvus had a pretty somber, fatherly relationship iirc

[grave sparrow]

ya know there was like that one sister that broke their vow, but I guess they were talking to another sister so I guess there wouldn't be a point to be like "so you've seen the emperor right"

[dense salmon]

Corvus just saw through big E and knew what his real purpose was

It's sad, comparatively corvus is a pretty good guy but he is a soldier and nothing else

[grave sparrow]

probably send him to another galaxy and start purging for the Imperium once again lol

Ravenguard got the coolest successor chapters tho

Space Sharks, Death Specters, Raptors

[dense salmon]

He could have been a good tool for dealing with the inevitable chaos problem

Like a vanguard during the webway project

[grave sparrow]

maybe that was step 2 for Big E, send his boys into the eye of terror/webway and just wreck carnage

[patent ivy]

Since 40K is "our" distant future, I like the thought that tanks in the modern era are looking to be replaced/phased out and then they bring them back far into the future

Or that swords are as big of a thing

[dense salmon]

It's parody of the British empire

In real life we stopped using swords not necessarily because they weren't effective, but because they gave away whoever was important

During a great deal of the great War, a sabre was part of a British officer's uniform

So a sniper would just look at who had a sword and dome them

Nowadays are uniforms are much more uniform and we don't salute in the field

[green loom]

"Herschel, das bootlicker across ze way has a polished svard, go and shoot him ja?"

[dense salmon]

Pun absolutely intended

But close quarters combat was definitely a thing in modern warfare, so knives or any fixed blade were effective

[desert dust]

Also swords, bayonets and clubs are just all over the place because one they are cool and every book makes sure to have people vs people end up in raiding buildings or defending buildings with tight rooms

[dense salmon]

Yeah the rule of cool is the real reason

Dune has complex lore for why most combat is with blades

Because duels are cool

[desert dust]

My biggest issue is why are there not more shotguns because every guants ghost book seems like if they just had a meltagun in every squad a lot of problems would be solved

[desert dust]

I just finished dune 4 god emperor of dune

[soft thunder]

is the AdMEch entitled to all tech discovered by the Imperium or is it only forgeworlds and archeo-tech?

[desert dust]

Rn I'm half way though GG11

But God dam dune is so much more interesting

40K is literally just action movies

[dense salmon]

There's a lot of beuracracy in these things. Most branches of the imperium will have an admech liaison

Authority can be argued

For example, the ordo xenos will handle technology that isn't known to be of human origin

[arctic talon]

Technically everything

Realistically

It’s a large majority of it

[undone zodiac]

Blood angels managed to royally piss off admech by snatching couple stc

[arctic talon]

The Lucius pattern engine yeah

Admech is very angry

Over this one

[undone zodiac]

Also the baal predator

[green loom]

They don't use widespread shotguns because the guard primarily does trench warfare or otherwise longer ranged fights

And the lasguns are so absurdly common and standardized that they can drop them around like dirt

[soft thunder]

ya the bickering between Hadron and Hallowette is what makes me ask.

[undone zodiac]

Usually only specialised formations in guard get shotties

Like krieg engineers

[arctic talon]

Veterans can also use them

[undone zodiac]

Navy uses shotties way more

[arctic talon]

But krieg engineers are def the famous one

[green loom]

Navy breachers also get them, but they have the benefit of being able to go to a planet and ask for them and get ammo

[arctic talon]

They enjoy digging tunnels

And well

Killing people in tunnels

[undone zodiac]

I kinda would belive catachan also makes decent use of shotguns

[dense salmon]

I would not drop a lasgun if I were a guardsman

The punishment for losing equipment is death

I'd lug that fucker with me everywhere

[arctic talon]

Athonian tunnel rats love shotguns

[undone zodiac]

Lasgun is like ak. Perfect for conscript abuse

[arctic talon]

But they’re a hive warfare specialist regiment

So it’s sort of a no shit situation

[dense salmon]

In tabletop the lasgun sucks

But in lore

The lasgun is a powerhouse

Durable, powerful

Easy to manufacture

[arctic talon]

Lasgun still sucks in comparison

But it’s strengths

Are much more aparant

Thing is a very good weapon

[undone zodiac]

Saying lasgun is bad is like saying m16 is bad because it cant destroy tank

Guards enemies are just something more fierce

[green loom]

It's not good because one can kill someone, it's good because you can mass 500 of the things

[arctic talon]

And near infinite ammo

And it’s durable

[undone zodiac]

And light

Like 2 kg or something

[storm jungle]

Love Dune's reason for it

"Why do we do melee"

[arctic talon]

I love shields

[undone zodiac]

That is a blessing for soldier

[arctic talon]

Lol

[storm jungle]

"Because if someone shoots someone with a shield we all fucking explode"

[dense salmon]

As a soldier

[storm jungle]

genuinely so hilariously realistic

[dense salmon]

I'd rather lug around an m4 than a bazooka

Something not heavy as fuck

And also something that just works

[undone zodiac]

I mean i was able to carry 50 cal in army. I didnt as much enjoy it

[wet sandal]

Isn't it just "shields stop fast moving thing (bullets) but not slow things (shanks)"

[arctic talon]

It is but lasers cause a nuclear explosion

On both ends

[storm jungle]

^

[dense salmon]

The shields cause a reaction with the laser weaponry which causes a nuclear detonation

[storm jungle]

Yeah its fucking funny af

every fighting army from then on just agrees to melee

since you cant take the risk

[dense salmon]

Shields also attract shai-halud on arrakis

Due to the passive vibrations

[arctic talon]

It’s illegal to use lasers on shielded targets

Anyways lol

Beyond it being a stupid idea

[storm jungle]

Harkonnes be like

"Its fine ill use killer bee-drones."

[undone zodiac]

I really now want bolt pistol to darktide to round up my sergeant veteran

[dense salmon]

No lie

Bolters would be invaluable weapons in dune

They're basically handheld artillery

[undone zodiac]

We are getting close there

[dense salmon]

And old-world artillery is what house harkonnen uses to catch atreides off guard

[undone zodiac]

German weapon manufactorer has been building handheld full auto grenade launcher

[desert dust]

Also anyone who breaks the convention of don't nuke people is simultaneously nuked by every other great house or political force because they all own satellites full of nukes orbiting every other planet

[storm jungle]

Fallout Moment

[green loom]

@storm jungle think Daniel is taking bits from this ancient bit of Lore?

[storm jungle]

MOSTLY yeah

because this is the only origin point of the star child in lore

[green loom]

Oh boy, and one of the dawn of fire books ties into star child as well?

And Dan is also connecting these last books to the twists in Eisenhorn

[dense salmon]

Don't lasbolts cause like

4th degree burns

[arctic talon]

Yeah

They blow limbs off

And cause horrific burns

You won’t bleed out

But it’s gona suck even more arguably

[dense salmon]

People call lasguns weak without realizing getting burnt to your fucking bone is irrecoverable

[green loom]

They're capable of taking heads off fairly reliably

And I mean

Removing it from your shoulder

[arctic talon]

Lasguns are weak against the horrifying foes in the setting

But like

[dense salmon]

True

[arctic talon]

The guard don’t fight them regularly

They fight uprisings

[dense salmon]

Won't stop a nid

[arctic talon]

Or like weak orks

[green loom]

Lasguns are weak against marines who specifically have highly heat resistant armour

[dense salmon]

But will absolutely stop a person

[arctic talon]

It’ll stop a termagaunt tbh

But a nid warrior fuck no lol

[dense salmon]

Or something of similar physicality

[green loom]

Especially a big ol firing line of them

[arctic talon]

Yeah

But the lasgun does it’s job great

[dense salmon]

The tau fire warrior being bisected at the waist by a lasgun

[arctic talon]

Fire warrior armor is pretty good akshully 🤓

[dense salmon]

Lol

Yeah true

[arctic talon]

It’s about equivalent to carapace

Pathfinder armor tho

Yeah that guy is cooked

But flak can save you from a lasgun shot

Maybe 2

[dense salmon]

By our standards flak armor is insane

[winter vessel]

It’s just in 40k standards it’s the equivalent of wearing another t shirt

[arctic talon]

Tbh

It’ll save you from like

Ork guns

Like you’ll live lol

[dense salmon]

Save you from stub guns too

[green loom]

Isn't most armour irl not worth dick against 90% of weapons

[arctic talon]

It’s for shrapnel mostly yeah

[dense salmon]

Even bolters suck against power armor

[winter vessel]

Dats a lot of DAKKA there is

[arctic talon]

Or small caliber fire

[dense salmon]

During the horus heresy the legions had to modify bolters to fire powerful penetrative rounds instead of high explosive ones

Plasma guns trump pretty much all armor

[arctic talon]

Point being flak armor would be a life saver irl

Even if in 40K you might as well be in a shirt against some enemies

[dense salmon]

Be a catachan

[arctic talon]

Lol

[dense salmon]

Have muscles so dense it's as good as flak armor

[winter vessel]

So what Guard issue armament could at least bruise an Astartes? Bolters? Las-cannons? Plasma weapons?

[scenic bolt]

most everything

[normal light]

Everything that is special except heavy stubbers

Like plasma, melta

[scenic bolt]

lasguns can kill a space marine if you're either good or lucky and hit a weakpoint like the helmet lens

[normal light]

Heavy emplacements like auto-cannons

[normal light]

Shred marines on impact

[winter vessel]

Or they forego the helmet because sometimes they’re that stupid in regards of head safety.

[normal light]

Concentrate fire and use krak

[dense salmon]

Krak grenades, heavy artillery

[green loom]

Guard can kill marines fine

[dense salmon]

A human pattern boltgun is not doing shit

[green loom]

The method isn't the problem typically, it's more that marines are fast and do shock warfare like crazy

[dense salmon]

But a heavy bolter emplacement would do fine

Yeah a marine is often described as a blur

And they are naturally so intimidating it has a named effect

[arctic talon]

They’re very fast

[dense salmon]

They are deceptively fast

Terminator units slow down a bit but

They have the armor and firepower to compensate

[arctic talon]

Not like bullet time fast but like

[green loom]

Actually hitting them while shitting your pans is difficult
But if theyre in a bad spot they'll go down like anyone else, they're far from invincible

[arctic talon]

They’re fast lol

[dense salmon]

Yeah marines die all the time

All you need is the will and firepower

Some of the weapons in darktide could do the trick

Power sword, thunder hammer, plasma gun

I mean you'd have to have some serious balls to try to kill a marine with a sword

[normal light]

Ogryn

[green loom]

Crusher, force swords, most of the staves, the Lucius if aimed right,

[dense salmon]

But it can be done. I mentioned ciaphas duelling a world eater to a standstill

[dense salmon]

I completely forgot about psykers

A psyker crushes a marine like a soda can

[arctic talon]

Mmmm

Head burst

[green loom]

Technically the Kantrael also counts but we don't really have a power setting option

[scenic bolt]

space marine armor dont protect your head being boiled alive

[storm jungle]

I forgot what book i think it was Dark Imperium but uh, a young psyker kills like 5 marines with super-speed rock throws before some other squadmates kill him

if that doesnt tell you how fragile marines are idk

🪨

[dense salmon]

The astartes miniseries isn't canon but

[storm jungle]

it is canon now

[dense salmon]

Two psykers put up a good fight against a squad of marines

Oh shit?

[storm jungle]

GW made it official

then we never got Astartes 2 lol

[dense salmon]

Deserved

[storm jungle]

and the creator went off to do his own stuff

[scenic bolt]

yea when he got hired to make the new series

[dense salmon]

The first thing not the second

[storm jungle]

Yeee

my guess is uh

[arctic talon]

He’s still cooking

[storm jungle]

Astartes 2 sometime this year

[arctic talon]

Prolly

[storm jungle]

then no more after that

because he literally COMPLETELY

dropped warhammer stuff from his patreon

which fucking sucks

[scenic bolt]

well it's not like GW doesnt already own the rights and couldnt just do astartes 3 under their own power

(like thatll end up well...)

[green loom]

TBF it's also deserved

[storm jungle]

yeah I meant more that the guy doing it had his own style etc

[green loom]

After Sodaz

[dense salmon]

Space marines are a step above regular humans but someone with enough skill makes short work of them

Now that I think about it

Cain had no way to kill that world eater

He had a laspistol and chainsword

Neither of which do shit to ceramite

[storm jungle]

Its very much a David/Goliath situation yeah

[arctic talon]

Thank Juergen

[storm jungle]

to quote Agent 47, even the strongest chain has a weak link

[scenic bolt]

inquisitors are also in the category of unaugmented human who could conceivably kill space marines

[green loom]

He could've done it with the chainsword but it was taking his all just to not die

[winter vessel]

Now I’ll never know what become of that Lamenter at the end of the teaser(is probably dead from being ganged up on by Orks)

[dense salmon]

The marines generally have one big weakness that anyone can exploit

[green loom]

Between marines and humans there's a gap larger than just skill

[dense salmon]

They are very comfortable fighting regular mortals

Too comfortable

They can be surprised

[green loom]

And that's them being in massive power armour and being able to leisurely tear normal people in half

[storm jungle]

a lot of people also assume like Marines are Agents from the Matrix

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-agent-bulletproof-speed-gif-7432265

lmao

[dense salmon]

Strength, more powerful brains, a lifetime of combat experience

[winter vessel]

Really? I thought more of a custodes in terms of reaction time

[storm jungle]

Yeah like

[dense salmon]

Redundant organs

[storm jungle]

most people expect them to dodge literal bullets

lmao

[scenic bolt]

space marine librarian

[storm jungle]

or move lightning fast

[green loom]

Custards also die in droves tbr

[scenic bolt]

they're difficult to kill

[winter vessel]

I leave that to the Golden Banana Heads

[green loom]

The only things that really live up to the rep are psykers and primarchs

[dense salmon]

What if a space marine learned gun kata

Predicting where bullets would go mathematically and avoiding them

[green loom]

That's what custards do iirc

[scenic bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/wanted-bullet-curved-bullet-bending-bullet-gif-15833965

[green loom]

Math heavy precognition lol

[winter vessel]

There mum was a test tube.

[dense salmon]

Custodes are pretty crazy

But again not unkillable

On a scale?

[scenic bolt]

genestealer cults stay winning

[dense salmon]

If a regular human is a 2, a guardsman is a 5, a space marine is an 8, a custodes is a 12, and a primarch is a 14

[winter vessel]

Example: the custodes that got his head turned into a soccer ball when a norn emissary kicked it off his body.

[dense salmon]

The gap isn't necessarily linear math

Like im not implying a primarch is 7 humans lol

[green loom]

Nah frankly I'd say a primarch isn't even numberable

[dense salmon]

Depends on the primarch

[green loom]

The custards escorting guilliman realize they're basically just there for show, Bobby can handle himself absurdly well against non-big enemies

[dense salmon]

Lorgar and guilliman are by no means weak, but they're not the insane combat powerhouses that a lot of their brothers are

[green loom]

And a lot of daemons too

[dense salmon]

In a 2v1 guilliman was nearly killed a dozen times by curze

To the point he thought him being there was a detriment

[green loom]

Still way above custodes as a base though

[dense salmon]

Agreed

[winter vessel]

Khan’s a good duelist. Angron is the embodiment of a lawnmower on a grass golf course.

[green loom]

A 14 would be someone like Abaddon imo

[dense salmon]

Angron might be a physical powerhouse but he has no tactical thought whatsoever

Exploit a bad move from him and he's finished

[green loom]

We see in Fall of Cadia that a custard Trazyn brought just gets beaten aside by him instantly

[dense salmon]

Yeahhh abaddon is pretty nutty

[green loom]

Literally he talks to this ultramarine praetor guy, chops him in half

Then runs towards creed and casually beheads the custodes mid run

[dense salmon]

Abaddon wears terminator armor like it's just regular power armor for one

For two, he was naturally fucking huge for a marine

For three, he's on that chaos creatine

Juicing for 10k years

[green loom]

That custard was beating up black legionnaires while barely breaking a sweat, and then the floor gets wiped with him in less than a second

[storm jungle]

ALSO

Abnett being Abnett

made up an entirely new thing

Custodes can literally send thoughts to each other using

and I quote

"""Neurosynergetics"""

[dense salmon]

What does that even mean

[storm jungle]

literally fucking nothing

just mumbo-jumbo

[dense salmon]

Biotechnical telepathy

[storm jungle]

YEP

Not psykers tho

so idfk

gg Dan

[dense salmon]

Pheromones would have made more sense

[green loom]

Shush

You'll summon those guys again

[dense salmon]

Brother what's wrong

You stink different today

Bad dream from dad?

[normal light]

Tau moment

[dense salmon]

You know if guilliman is a 10 in combat, fighters like curze or sanguinius are probably like

30

Maybe higher

[green loom]

It'll never not be funny to me how weird wehraboos adore and love marines while entirely missing how fkn gay it all is

[dense salmon]

I enjoy the camaraderie of it all

I call close friends brother or sister and mean it in a very familial way

So I can relate to that aspect

[hollow falcon]

Krieg is the best Guard Regiment ever

[dense salmon]

did the kriegers pay you to say taht

[hollow falcon]

they don't pay, they demand...by force.

[dense salmon]

they're the best guard regiment until you have money to buy vehicles lol

[patent ivy]

Is Krieg really the best guard regiment?

I mean it seems all they are used for are bodies

[dense salmon]

i wish you could hear how hard i enunciate the f in fuck no when i answer that question

there is no best guard regiment, they all excel at different things and have wildly different standards and tactics

kriegers usually never have disciplinary or morale issues so they excel at drawn-out sieges and wars of attrition

they're also very zealous

but you can't fight every war with a trench

cadians are an insanely effective fighting force namely because they're trained with their squads from childhood

they have very high standards for their recruitment

catachans weed out the weak just by living on their homeworld

only 50% of catachans born make it to the age of 10

50% of those make it to adulthood

[patent ivy]

So 25% to adulthood

Was that 50% of 50% or just the other 50%

[dense salmon]

it's less of which hammer hits the hardest and more which tool is right for the job

but just being a guardsman is already being like

the best soldier humanity has to offer

[dense salmon]

50% of the 50%

[patent ivy]

Ok

[dense salmon]

now if we're talking tabletop meta

catachan is probably one of the worst guard regiments you can choose

krieg has some advantages but someone put it best when they said they're a poor man's armageddon steel legion

catachans just need new units and new rules tbh

[patent ivy]

I mean no disrespect, but Krieg favouritism seems like just a bunch of larping

[dense salmon]

ehhh

it's 50/50

some people really genuinely enjoy them

others, just the idea of them

they're popular for a reason

even people who don't know much about 40k know about krieg

[undone zodiac]

Krieg is a wehraboo magnet

[patent ivy]

That's what I meant

Every online interaction I've had/seen in the past month dealing with em seems like it

[dense salmon]

meet some 40k fans in person

[undone zodiac]

They know exactly 2 jokes

[dense salmon]

i know a great guy who plays krieg

i learned a lot about painting from him

as far from a wehraboo as you can be

[patent ivy]

I'm not denying the existence of normal fans, but they appear to be in the minority

[dense salmon]

i think you're dealing with a vocal minority of the fandom who have a weird love for ww2 germany

[patent ivy]

Hope so

[dense salmon]

krieg isn't even ww2 germany

it's more the greater prussian area in ww1

[patent ivy]

Yeah

[dense salmon]

though admittedly GW isn't doing themselves any favors naming helmets DEATH'S HEAD

[undone zodiac]

I made my vet guard kill team with as many field caps as i could and painted them bluish grey to make them look like ww2 finnish uniform

[patent ivy]

Pics? Sounds nice

[dense salmon]

that's pretty cool

i want to get a 3d printer to make my own guard regiment with morion helmets

probably just go with standard cadian/guard rules

[undone zodiac]

I dont have on my phone but ill put em at some point

I only miss that i didnt try to make them drum mags

[patent ivy]

Older family friend I know 3D prints em

Has had it for like 2 years now and has had a blast printing a bunch of stuff