40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

Same as custodes

[lapis wadi]

You can give a heavy stubber to ours and they'll burst fire voluntarily, count ammo, take the initiative, try to learn to read..
They make Inquisitorial Acolyte

[crisp heath]

I think the all are. 1 specifically has faulty stuff in his head literally cooking his brain

I know that fr sure

[lapis wadi]

Acolytes are the bottom rung of the Inquisition, but like.. it's the Inquisition

Oh he's only a generic CIA agent

[crisp heath]

I mean, we are closer to informants than actual Cia agents

[dense salmon]

it's pretty cut and dry when rannick lets you join the warband

you're definitely a part of the inquisition at that point

[lapis wadi]

trust 30 cutscene has Rannick call us formally inducted members

[crisp heath]

We work in conjunction with them, under their leadership, but I don't think the wider inquisition would accept us

[lapis wadi]

Literally doesn't matter

If an Inquisitor says you're in, you're in

[crisp heath]

No I get that much, I just don't know if that'd carry very far outside literally that ship

[green loom]

We're part of the warband
So we're goon squad/acolytes, not Interrogator Level but useful assets

[lapis wadi]

We'd bear the Rosette

[dense salmon]

we're still expendable

in other news: water proven to be wet

[green loom]

We're more trusted than other inquisitors probably

[lapis wadi]

Even Zola's expendable if required

That's not saying much

[dense salmon]

yeah i know, i was just referencing a funny in-game line

[lapis wadi]

Some context

[crisp heath]

@green loom right, but using that same logic, why would the rest of the inquisition trust us. Especially with Grendyls continued absence

[lapis wadi]

Also shows that Rannick is high up, he could be nominated an Inquisitor at his position

[green loom]

Entire reason levels are called "Trust"

You prove yourself

Basically

[crisp heath]

Literally only to Rannick though

[dense salmon]

by the time you reach level 30

you'd have gone on like

[green loom]

Does it matter? We're Rannick's asset

[dense salmon]

a few dozen suicide missions

and come back every time

[lapis wadi]

That's like saying "Oh we're only a private under a captain, not the general"

[dense salmon]

so the inquisition definitely recognizes your talent if nothing else

[lapis wadi]

Th- that's how heirarchies work

[crisp heath]

Lol say for the sake of argument this conflict ends and our character survives to leave. Could he leave Rannicks war band and be accepted by the wider imperium without issue

[lapis wadi]

Nah

[dense salmon]

we're practically property of the inquisition

[green loom]

After level 30 yeah, you're an operative

[dense salmon]

and we're too knowledgeable on chaos

[green loom]

You will be used until you die

[dense salmon]

so leaving isn't exactly an option

[lapis wadi]

Leave the Inquisition, whether human or abhuman we'd just be "highly skilled ex-soldier"

[dense salmon]

but i doubt the rejects mind

being a prisoner was certain death in one way or another

[lapis wadi]

That said a highly skilled mercenary ogryn would actually be a bit of a hot commodity in the right circle

[dense salmon]

nork deddog

invaluable bodyguard

[lapis wadi]

So yeah honestly they'd be accepted

[green loom]

Half the cast are giddy as fuck about being inquisition lmao

Zealots especially

[crisp heath]

That was my question. Would he be accepted back into the imperium, could he transfer warbands, could he do anything with freedom, or is our character only given the semblance of trust and used.

[lapis wadi]

Imperial citizens don't have that much freedom by default

[green loom]

You're trusted as a loyal servant to the inquisition

[dense salmon]

maybe given enough time you could reasonably work your way through the ranks and make something of yourself

[lapis wadi]

Acolytes do not get to pick their Inquisitor, Guard their Regiment, or Navy their ship assignment

[dense salmon]

but in the context of the war of atoma, we're killteam operatives

[green loom]

We're basically Rannick's property lol

Our war won't end with Atoma

[dense salmon]

certainly not

but we're talking a career that could span centuries

[green loom]

Yep

[lapis wadi]

How long do ogryn live for?

[crisp heath]

Fair enough. That type of like... idk, character thought? Idk I like it. Imagining what would happen in the future for our operatives is intriguing to me

[dense salmon]

about as long as ordinary humans

[green loom]

More shooting

[dense salmon]

but lifespans in 40k can be extended through rejuvenation chems

[green loom]

Culminating in an untimely death

[echo vault]

Could a rogue trader wear armor similar to the general in this

[dense salmon]

there's a hammer and bolter episode where the inquisitor lead character has an entourage of rejects with him as bodyguards

[green loom]

A rogue psyker turning you into mist, a daemon eating you, a stray bullet taking your head off
Eventually the operative will get unlucky, and something will rip his backside open

[dense salmon]

he's got a catachan and a fucking ELDAR

[crisp heath]

Lol but that's boring. I like to think up an actual story. Though I tend to find my imagination is not very lore accurate@green loom

[green loom]

Ye

[dense salmon]

if the rogue trader can get his/her hands on it

[green loom]

You'll have plenty of stories serving the inquisition

[echo vault]

Swag zone, I just wanna see more super elite inquisitorial types in auxilia armor

[crisp heath]

Lol I get the feeling it'll be more like obituaries

[green loom]

But like outside of meta context "our guys" are long dead lmao

[broken zenith]

ye, HH solar auxilia made for cool RT army on TT

aesthetics do def fit

[echo vault]

Like they have some servitor team obsessively producing the armor in one of their bases

[dense salmon]

the inquisition will keep sending our characters on suicide missions until we die

[echo vault]

Maybe it's not as good idk

[dense salmon]

that's our job

[green loom]

Morrow and Melk comment on horrific casualty rates for the rejects nonstop

[echo vault]

That's most factions jobs

[dense salmon]

we could theoretically rank up

it's just unlikely

[green loom]

They don't even expect you to come back on a good day

[dense salmon]

still though, being in the inquisition is not a bad career plan

do your job well and you'll live a really long time

[lapis wadi]

Most likely outcome: We die
Second most likely outcome: We grow old in the Acolyte/Trusted Acolyte position and retire to an agri-world
Very unlikely outcome: We rise up the ranks
Even more unlikely: Our ogryn rises up the ranks

[dense salmon]

i mean even before earnign max trust

[crisp heath]

@dense salmon but like, I'm the superspecial main character high pitched whiny voice I have to have a special story!!!!!

[dense salmon]

you're granted permission to use insane weapons

power swords? thunder hammers??

you know they don't just

[broken zenith]

inquisitorial stormtrooper best stormtrooper imo

[dense salmon]

manufacture those anymore

[lapis wadi]

I think they make power swords

[dense salmon]

the power swords we use in darktide have likely been around since the GC

[green loom]

That would just be becoming the confidant of one of the chief acolytes and rising up after them

[dense salmon]

they do... rarely

it's cheaper to just keep using the same ones and reparing them over making them

[lapis wadi]

I can't help but think we're using knock-off ones

[dense salmon]

power tech is extremely hard and expensive to do

[lapis wadi]

Since y'know.. the field doesn't actually stay on

[dense salmon]

yeah our power swords are shitty

[broken zenith]

u could give ur Inquisitorial stormtrooper veteran sergeant a thunder hammer out of the DH armoury back in 3E-5E, it was so cool

[dense salmon]

but it's more than your average guardsman will ever get his hands on

[lapis wadi]

Like I feel we're actually using.. Shockswords or something

I can't think of a clever pun on Power

[crisp heath]

Lol shovels will forever be the most based weapon in the game

[broken zenith]

true

[lapis wadi]

I like power claws

[dense salmon]

you could make your own headcanon that your guy survives for centuries and becomes a full fledged inquisitor if you want

i'm just saying it isn't very likely

rannick will probably also live for centuries

and you will always be low in the pecking order

[crisp heath]

https://tenor.com/view/park-sandrec-leslie-knope-dreamis-dead-heart-broken-sad-gif-9630569

[echo vault]

Most drip in a Warhammer miniature ever

[dense salmon]

that mf is SEEING

[broken zenith]

solar auxilia rocks

[lapis wadi]

I want to believe the ogryn manages to make Interrogator through sheer seniority and after some Inquisitorial politics is made Inquisitor, but actually turns out to be competent to theshock of literally everybody

I think it funny

[crisp heath]

He has officially SOUGHT

[echo vault]

I wanna make some drippy marines with heresy stuff, like do techmarines have Terminator variants

[dense salmon]

not that i'm aware of

[echo vault]

They should fr like at most they have iron fathers for the heresy era iron hands

[lapis wadi]

"Oi'm Inquis.. Inkwisi.. Oi'm- oh grut it. Oi'm 'eresy-findin'-man, an' I want to know where the 'eretics are!" - Inquisitor Truk's revolutionary new interrogation technique

[dense salmon]

an interrogator could make good use of an ogryn

[broken zenith]

inquisitorial ogryn

[hazy pecan]

gav and bob

[crisp heath]

I'm working on a sketch of some sark mechanicum tech priests worshiping Vashtorr.

[dense salmon]

holy shit sanguinius is here

shouldn't you be dead

[lapis wadi]

Nobody expects the Ogryn Inquisition!

[crisp heath]

His ghost must have rolled in on its shiny new wheelchair His brother gave him

[echo vault]

I'm trying to concoct a rebellious not chaos but not loyal marine group where everyone looks kinda like eldar rangers with coats and huge guns in a like neutral style not chaotic

[lapis wadi]

Certain rejects I just don't see staying in the Inquisition long-term, or at least rising beyond like.. Prime at most.
Loner Psyker, looking at you

[crisp heath]

Oooh that sounds dope!!!

[dense salmon]

rebellious but not chaos

there's precedent for that

night lords

alpha legion

[crisp heath]

Alpha is where my mind went

[lapis wadi]

There are Renegade Chapters out there

[echo vault]

Yeah something very improbable in the long term but something as a what if, just kinda there

[broken zenith]

AVE DOMINUS NOX

[lapis wadi]

You can have pseudo-pirate Astartes, there's a Lexicanium list of all the non-Chaos Renegades out there

[echo vault]

I was thinking of them being called sunkillers and having colors like these, using more esoteric stuff since they stole and it all years ago (deals with votann for resources like deep rock but marines)

[lapis wadi]

Admittedly there's not much of an entry for most of those chapters on the list, and a few end with "And the remanants.. I dunno joined Chaos"

But there is in-universe precedent

[echo vault]

Yeah it's more of a when the moons aligned perfect scenario and such, just a fanfic whateva

But I just wanna see more xiphon fighters from the heresy in 40k

[lapis wadi]

Might need to come up with some justification for how they maintain HH gear beyond Votann resources, (which is a neat thought, they are a more reasonable Renegade trading ally than has been previously available)
Stasis and Warp time-chicanery are a classic. Maybe they intentionally mothballed some of their gear to prepare for a future battle, or they use a forgotten HH battleground as their hidden fortress-monastery and thus have had undisturbed access to older tech for millenia... perhaps the Mechanicus are still in-contact with them on the side even

A few ways to go about this, and plenty more I can't think of in 5 minutes. Hope to hear about them more some day

Also if they help the Votann with combat-mining then you have neat subterranean and mining-trained marines

[echo vault]

Stealing the blueprints for them and relying on the raw materials to make them hence the reliance on votann for rare material contracts to potentially produce rare vehicles, that kinda deal. I imagine them more like a black shield group from the heresy (previously EC) that during the heresy they kneecapped their own legion and stealing their resources by the end which is why the Emperor's children were so crushed in the scouring

[lapis wadi]

Sounds like the EC tech marines decided to steal everything in mehadendrite reach and leg it

Ooh, weird idea. Sonic tunneling equipment

[echo vault]

Yeah like loyalist noise marines in a way, just like the biggest heist possible on many levels (however many necessary to justify their continued survival)

Just imagine the space marine equivalent of ripping everything down to the studs and barest parts and stealing as much as possible, ultimate blood raven level like flying into chemos days before it will be destroyed and heisting any geneseed samples still salvageable that kinda deal

[lapis wadi]

Had an idea for a chapter who makes super extensive use of servo skulls in my head for a while, but never did much with it.

[grave sparrow]

Could hint at them having some sort of STC that maintains equipment, and they're renegade because they refused to hand it over to the mechanicus

had a whole war or somethin

Chapter Master is a tech marine and is the only one who knows of it after a certain amount of time

[echo vault]

Yee, my idea is more like they fucking hate their primarch fulgrim and wish to kill him outright, and they mostly act as a resource for free blades and other non corrupted groups

[grave sparrow]

OOHH, my bad. I just read the part about maintaining HH gear

[echo vault]

It's more like they took them by thievery or straight up raiding ships of their "allies", the heresy era gear is still rare they have to get the materials to even produce them so it isn't op but it's more like we know how we just need the resources (rarity etc)

It's something that was the result of a blue moon and rare opportunities and such

[lapis wadi]

I guess an obvious question is, why not return to the Imperium and Mechanicus support?

[echo vault]

They're still considered apart of a rogue faction of the imperium (emperor's children) being wanted for murders back in istvaan, as well as conducting in a way most factions would want them dead on the spot, so extreme self reliance is necessary

[grave sparrow]

They for modern era 40k or like, shortly after HH?

[echo vault]

Especially producing rare materials and vehicles is most likely a huge no, it can be for any point, most likely smaller though. I assume they mostly work within smaller bases scattered around the galaxy, congregating more towards the galactic core like the votann

[grave sparrow]

And wouldn't they just go black shield either way if they despised their legion?

[echo vault]

Yeah, they're not referring to themselves as the emperor's children don't worry

They refer to themselves as Sunkillers which are a subgroup from 30k that use plasma weaponry exclusively

[grave sparrow]

So they'd be a loyalist renegade chapter?

[echo vault]

I assume they work for different votann companies like a hire on and expensive security but still having goals like Marines, yeah as cringe as that sounds they would be

IDK I don't want it to be too convenient special and op

[grave sparrow]

Could be good grounds for them being renegade if they work pretty exclusively for the Votann

[echo vault]

Like downsides would probably be if recruitment comes from taking marines or limited geneseed could mean they deal with potential individuals who wish to corrupt them, just the fragility of everything that there is tons of power and ancient machinery to be built but it can also be destroyed

I just wanna balance this idea out so it's not self inserty

[grave sparrow]

Could be they work for the Votann if the Votann have figured out a way to replicate their geneseed?

so it's not really payment, it's geneseed stock

[lapis wadi]

Dredging up ancient memories here.. this was like a decade ago and I have no notes.
I think I was going to call them the Encryptors
The skulls were of previous chapter members, and occasionally had personality imprints. They would meditate and get guidance from the dead minds around them. Great ossuaries of these things humming around in their fortress-monastary around vast cogitator banks and servitor colonies.
Also mechanicus leaning, partially because they need a ton of grav tech for these things. But also because they fucken loved joining Exploratory Fleets and finding tech, they archived and hoarded data like paranoid dragons. I think they were obsessed with finding a way to defeat chaos or something too, but I forget.

Also like, a marine with a half-dozen laspistol wielding drones is cool.

[echo vault]

Yeah, makes sense. I just wanna see heresy era vehicles still be used, especially weird ones like artillery or heavy transports. Like a mix between fast and small and big and slow

That's cool

[grave sparrow]

Technomancersss

[lapis wadi]

Votann cloning tech is very high spec

[lapis wadi]

Oh man I just thought, astarte electopriests

Basically get biolightning smites

[echo vault]

This guy could fit in 40k

Behold, the arquitor bombard

[grave sparrow]

with swarms of laspistol wielding servo skulls?

[lapis wadi]

You see my vision

Downsides is i think they don't get along with others aside from Mechanicus, even other astartes
Might not be that interested in saving imperial citizens

[grave sparrow]

Make em renegade, although I dunno what you'd have their goals be other than survival and maybe power

unlimited POWER

[lapis wadi]

I'm definitely missing a couple things yeah.. some goal or ethos of the chapter that all this data harvesting is at least nominally for

I doubt renegade tho

Since they're so heavily admech meshed

[echo vault]

Money, materials, revenge, and orchestras of volkite ringing out once more in the fields of the 41st millennium

[grave sparrow]

could be they found some ancient alien tech vault they can't figure out how to open so all this data harvesting could be used to open it?

thing could spew out some techno-eldritch abominations every few hundred years and their chapter was formed as a bulwark against it

kinda like the death spectres with the ghoul stars

[lapis wadi]

Oooh.. I was thinking necron influence

[grave sparrow]

make it spicier

Dark Age tech gone wrong or somethin lol

[echo vault]

Stormbirds doing attack runs and dropping off marines inside an imperial navy vessel

[lapis wadi]

Feeding a hungry AI so it doesn't struggle against its captors? Produces useful analysis in return?

Keeping it a S E C R E T from mechanicus

[grave sparrow]

YEEEAAA, that sounds dope

[lapis wadi]

Explains their name too

They watch over this dead machine-king's crypt

It will look like a giant robot skeleton I am decided on this

[lapis wadi]

Actually another thought that had occurred to me but never got much built on it.
Zero-G, vacuum, and ship combat specialist marines

[echo vault]

Yee putting use into the flyers large capacity

[lapis wadi]

Before I head off, who does lore chat think would be the best primarch for these secretive, morbid, tech/data nerds?

[grave sparrow]

Alpharius

[tulip brook]

all that armor and equipment for sitting in a control deck most of the time. ship combat specialist infantry won't work imo.

lion?

[echo vault]

It's more like big hangar raids and such like landing and breaching

Both like cerastus assault rams and ships

[lapis wadi]

Oh yeah I meant like, taking over ships via those assault pods and fighting outside ships
Keep human ship crew, at most single pilot fighter craft

Bouncing around an asteroid field like with orks tumbling awkwardly to try and defend their Rokk

[grave sparrow]

I feel like ship boarding is probably a pretty rare occurrence to try to justify an entire chapter to it

like what else would they be good at?

[lapis wadi]

Is it though?
The Imperial Navy doesn't sit around doing nothing

[grave sparrow]

well no, they normally bombard the crap out of most enemy ships

[lapis wadi]

Also a voidsman themed chapter can have those rad tattoos

[tulip brook]

gw made an entirely new game mode around ship boarding at the end of 9th

I guess it's not that rare

[echo vault]

I wish there was more pilot sensors in 40k I just think it'd be cool

[grave sparrow]

It's a cool event, but I don't think it'd be a common event in most space battles

but then again with void shields and all that, I guess it makes sense for it to be fairly common in the setting

[lapis wadi]

Would be more common if you had an astartes strike force willing to do it against flagships I bet

[tulip brook]

space hulk also revolves around low g and boarding action

[grave sparrow]

isn't that the Deathwing's thing?

[lapis wadi]

Also capturing irreplaceable ships kinda good idea

[shadow plover]

Almost every void conflict I've read in 40k has had boarding actions, there's a whole game mode dedicated to it on the tabletop as well

[tulip brook]

original game had blood angels

I guess it's terminator thing

[grave sparrow]

Yeah, I'll rescind my statement on that lol

I mean yeah, it'd be a cool concept for a chapter if it's fairly common. have their battle barges decked out with a lot more void battle gear and equipment, with limited ground equipment. Replace drop pods with boarding torpedos, spaces for tanks would have more fighters/boarding vessels, etc.

[lapis wadi]

Termies have teleportation tech and can handle a few hits, makes sense as boarders

Might not have been the Chapters intended role either
But stuck ad a Fleet based chapter alongside the Navy and...

[grave sparrow]

And if it's their primary focus you could have different companies specialize in different tactics. Could have like... stealth boarders, brute force borders

[lapis wadi]

Context

Its fan made but like.. yeah

[tulip brook]

a fish denoting 5 years of service, oh boy

[lapis wadi]

Space-nautical theming sounds rad

[tulip brook]

I'm imagining a marine whole body covered with fish tattoos

[grave sparrow]

give him a popeye accent

imagine that through a helmet vox lol

[lapis wadi]

Popeye theme starts playing as he energises his power fist

[broken zenith]

imperial navy gang

.>

[echo vault]

what about space hulks as well, there's ships incredibly large and in the small scale as long as there is justification it can exist.

[grave sparrow]

Oh, yeah I took back what I said there. It's a lot more common than I originally thought

[celest dome]

Ship Boarding is really frequent, like it's one of the primary Space combat method

[winged jacinth]

I wouldn't call it primary but it's employed whenever just blowing up a ship isnt an option, which is fairly frequently

[celest dome]

It's prioritised over destroying a ship

As you can repair then use said ship

[winged jacinth]

Only if its not full of chaos taint or xenos

[celest dome]

For Xenos they still do, as they can find loot with tha

[queen laurel]

Yeah, Especially orks, considering they scrap a lot of stuff

I mean yes going into an ork ship is suicide but they have a good amount of goodies too

[median marsh]

A good way to disrupt the enemy too

[patent ivy]

Brah they got animations you gotta pay for

Maybe one day...

[celest dome]

What ?

[patent ivy]

https://warhammertv.com/home

[dense salmon]

Broadside ship tactics are the imperium's standard operating procedure

The tau were genuinely caught off guard by this during the damocles crusade, as they were used to ship combat being a battle at distance

[winter vessel]

wow, and I thought the ground forces were the only ones who preferred long distance combat to avoid be shanked at close range.

[crisp heath]

The tau are caught off guard by everything though, lol. Lets be honest, it comes with super freaky fast evolution and technological advancement. In 6,000 years, they've basically closed the gap between humanities tech and theirs, from primative to space faring, and in some instances have surpassed us entirely. That's in 15% the amount of time. Lol a lot of room for missed experience.

[winged jacinth]

Tau society is fucked but in a much more efficient way than the imperium

Tau computing is interesting

They don't seem to have AI but they can "encode" people well enough to pilot a mobile suit with the same skill

Or whatever they call their gundams

[crisp heath]

I think it's like the matrix in a sense. Where they can just input data directly into your brain, so you just know how to do things like martial arts or mech piloting

Maybe not exactly, but its always been a close enough analog for me lol

Lol or, we can start the conversation on how they mind control people again, so it could just be them doing that and part of that "mind control" is implanting skills

[storm jungle]

Nah tau entirely have AI

its a big part of them as a faction

they give their troops actual training too, theres no matrix-esque brain uploading

[marsh berry]

Have you considered the pheromones

[crisp heath]

I mean, I know they do that too. 100 hundred percent. But, and I don't remember where I read it so I'm no help, I remember reading something along the lines of what he's saying and literally thinking the matrix at the time

[storm jungle]

Its inconsistent.

In some sources they do in some they don't.

classic 40k literature

[winged jacinth]

by the encoding i mean there's a fully automatic suit piloted by an "engram" of a dead pilot whos in a computer

[storm jungle]

Ah yeah that

[winged jacinth]

which i guess is a kind of AI

but you say they have regular old fashioned ones?

[queen laurel]

Those are AI in the same sense that Cortana is an AI in Halo to be fair

you really consider an uploaded consciousness AI?

[winged jacinth]

it's a legitimately philosophical question

[storm jungle]

Yeah their entire automated drone units and such

[green loom]

They have regular robot AI and copied personalities yeah

Aunva is an AI rn lol

[storm jungle]

Aun'va is doing a lil trolling

[crisp heath]

@queen laurel It literally would be lol

[lapis wadi]

Between the Votann and Tau it really does seem the trick to AI is just not treating them like garbage
Makes the Mechanicus look like idiots

[crisp heath]

You can't "upload consciousness". Lol I mean, it is a fiction story, so anything goes. But that's simply not possible. At best, you can mirror neuronal activity, duplicate that, and now you have a simulated 2nd digital version of yourself

It's not you though

[storm jungle]

We also got no idea why the AI rebelled against humanity.

So theres no subject to fingerpoint on why it happened

[arctic talon]

Prolly had something to do with chaos

Tbh

[storm jungle]

Shut up redditor

[arctic talon]

Ur-025

Is the only living man of iron

Hates chaos

Doesn’t hate humans

But yeah there’s no info

[storm jungle]

He also shows some disatisfaction in kiling them yeah

[arctic talon]

On why they rebeled

[storm jungle]

even if the admech he murdered deserved it

[arctic talon]

Oh they absolutely did

But he still feels bad

[storm jungle]

Yeee, his short story is super good

[storm jungle]

Cawl did this

so its entirely possible because its fiction

Spoilers for Genefather tho

[crisp heath]

Lol but it wasn't really Caul. It was like, caul 2.0

And they existed simultaneously

[green loom]

Nah they merge into one body typically

[storm jungle]

Nah we arent talking about Cawl Inferior

thats literally just AI

[green loom]

Cawl kept yoinking great scientists for a minute

[storm jungle]

Cawl successfully created a artificial conciousness of Guilliman that thinks its alive

[crisp heath]

Oh? Maybe I don't know this story then lolll

[storm jungle]

He uses it to uh

ask it questions

[green loom]

Yeah Cawl is a merged mind of like

[storm jungle]

and see how it reacts

before he talks to the actual Guilliman

its hilariously fucked up

[green loom]

50 or so mega scientists from Emp's various programs

[crisp heath]

Thats... damn.

[green loom]

The first guy he merged with was a major part of the Astartes program

[crisp heath]

I need that for some people lolol

[green loom]

Worked out the Black Carrapace

[patent ivy]

The type of stuff I've seen people type into AI prompts I woulda rebelled too

Some freak stuff, especially those AI photo makers

[lapis wadi]

Souls exist, upload isn't beyond the bounds of possibility

[crisp heath]

Hey, I'm one of those freaky ai photo makers thankyouverymuch

[patent ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/no-sad-frustrated-no-way-yell-gif-17334973

[crisp heath]

I like to think I'm half decent too

[green loom]

If I said I was shocked I'd be lying

[lapis wadi]

Turns out Cawl Inferior is just ChatGPT

[arctic talon]

Tech priests have less souls

Anyways

Or soul juice rather

[green loom]

You mean the AI is decent

[crisp heath]

Lol it's a team effort

[patent ivy]

Is isn't as bad as the stuff I was talking about

This is fine

[crisp heath]

@patent ivy lol yay!!! Thanks!!!

[patent ivy]

I use the /fa board, but sometimes I'll lurk on the /b and man are they unhinged...

[hollow falcon]

I think that there are most likely more hidden Men of Iron somewhere in the Imperium

[celest dome]

Oh there are

[storm jungle]

yeah not all of them are destroyed

they are bing chilling

[green loom]

Remember how in first and only Gaunt just up and found a box that made them

[storm jungle]

Abnett Moment

[arctic talon]

They made chaos corrupted ones

[patent ivy]

I think I recall listening about one that had the AI corrupted by the Warp, right?

Timing

🤣

[spare osprey]

Yup

[lapis wadi]

It wouldn't surprise me if a couple went to the Votann and were just... "Beep.. I'm big ironkin, gonna chill here"

[spare osprey]

I also remember the time arbites faced one

That was dope

And I think 7 of them almost killed Konrad

[hollow falcon]

Would be really interesting to know why they decided to fuck up humanity

[spare osprey]

Most we have atm is like the basic

Felt discarded by their creators and that they were superior

So

Uprising

[green loom]

Oh shit

New Wyrmwood message

RIP her

[patent ivy]

You think they'll expand on the lore much more for the Dark Age of Humanity, or maybe a little just to keep it open for homebrew

[green loom]

I wonder if we're getting a new kill mission

[spare osprey]

Little

[green loom]

We're definitely tracking down her beacon

[hollow falcon]

Maybe Windows 20.000 crashed and then decided to destroy humanity?

[patent ivy]

Bummer, but it makes sense

[spare osprey]

If they’re barely expanding on the scouring it’s even less likely to get anything like the DaoT or the war in heaven

[patent ivy]

Universe where Microsoft makes it into the 20k millennium

[lapis wadi]

It's still compatible with M2 files

[patent ivy]

Hah

Be funny if they mentioned how a tesla was found floating in space at some point

But describe it weirdly because it is an ancient tech

[spare osprey]

Yeah

Wonder who the lad on the phone was

He seems nice

[crisp heath]

So on the topic of men of iron and men of gold, I had heard a while back this crazy theory the Emperor might be one that's still running around. Idk how much, if any, merit I put into it, but it's an interesting theory.

Like, the Emperor's the last of the greatest of mankinds creations run rampant

[short steeple]

Darktide campaign when

[patent ivy]

Never

[spare osprey]

It’s possible

[crisp heath]

@short steeple I think there might be one in the future if it keeps its traction and player base happy for a while. I could see them adding something in. But that's just me spit balling, and is like for far away if it ever comes

[spare osprey]

No lore to back it up tho

[hollow falcon]

a toy from the soviet union also somehow survived into the 41th millennium

[crisp heath]

Right

[arctic talon]

UR-025 calls the god emperor an earthling corpse

So

[crisp heath]

Definitely interesting though

[patent ivy]

That's funny hah

[arctic talon]

He might not be an artificial creature

[spare osprey]

Most you have for the whole situation is that the men of stone were likely the votaan

[crisp heath]

Yea. It's really fringe in my opinion, and entirely unlikely, but I like the idea of it

[crisp heath]

I agree. I just like the idea of it

[arctic talon]

It’s a fun idea

[hollow falcon]

what happened to the ship with the AI that was taunting the ad mech?

[spare osprey]

The black stone fort?

Still just floating around I believe

[hollow falcon]

na, the one from the dark age

[arctic talon]

Oh

[hollow falcon]

whose captain was tortured to death

[arctic talon]

It left

Like

It left the galaxy

[storm jungle]

Yeah it left realising humanity was hopeless and doomed to be extinct

[spare osprey]

Oh fun

[storm jungle]

which tbh good call

[spare osprey]

It can go say hi to the nids Ig

[tulip brook]

that ship sailed hahahahahaaa..... I'll show myself out

[crisp heath]

Didn't one of the stc's fall to chaos? That would be a precedent chaos maybe screwing around and causing the fall of mankind if so

[storm jungle]

thats from Cain

[hollow falcon]

would have been interesting if it could tell us more about the past

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/illgetyou-accident-gif-9654841

[storm jungle]

it was from VERY long chaos exposure too

and it was an STC not an AI

[arctic talon]

GW will never do that

Unfortunately

[spare osprey]

Idk I feel like

Some amounts of the past

Can stay unknown

[arctic talon]

Also yeah

[spare osprey]

HH set up 40K entirely

[arctic talon]

I do like the unknown element

[crisp heath]

@storm jungle right, but it's similar enough right? It's at least tech that fell to chaos, so there that

[spare osprey]

So there’s some understanding

[arctic talon]

I don’t think we need to know more

About the DAOT

[spare osprey]

But the dark age is a whole other beast

[storm jungle]

Yeah but its very normal stuff, chaos infected machines happens a lot in 40k

even Darktide has one

[tulip brook]

they have better things to do, like fixing the current timeline

[storm jungle]

so evil it stops you from calling the elevator

[crisp heath]

Right, but wouldn't that be the perfect precedent for why the machines likely turned on man?

[tulip brook]

even the length of indomitus crusade is up in the air

[patent ivy]

Which one in Darktide is infected

[storm jungle]

Chaos corrupted AI/STC happen from neglect and long exposure

[crisp heath]

Like we know they can, so they likely did scenario

[arctic talon]

Well

[storm jungle]

And UR-25 which is a man of iron would have said so if that was the case

and

[arctic talon]

We know Ur-025 was a man of iron

And he hates chaos

[storm jungle]

we had Men of Iron that actually defended humans

[arctic talon]

Like a ton lol

[storm jungle]

its very much up in the air

[arctic talon]

He also was one of the men of iron that rebeled

As far as we know

[crisp heath]

Huh...

Well then shit. I'm out of spitballs

[tulip brook]

imagine gw exploring dark age and humanity is as bad as 40k

[storm jungle]

I mean it wasnt

well mostly

[arctic talon]

It was less xenophobic

As far as we know lol

[storm jungle]

It was basically seperate human enclaves doing their own thing with super technology.

And sometimes killing each other lol

[tulip brook]

man of iron should have some pretty legit reasons

[hollow falcon]

It was a federation of some sort

[storm jungle]

nah

there was no federation

every human group was free to do whatever

[hollow falcon]

not?

[crisp heath]

For the most part yeah

[median marsh]

WYRMWOOD NOO

I WILL AVENGE THEE

[arctic talon]

She’s dead

[storm jungle]

Wyrmwood god SUCC'D

obviously it was a genestealer

[green loom]

omnomnom

[storm jungle]

[tulip brook]

wasn't it colony ships with their stcs exploring outer space and settling wherever they want

[median marsh]

NO FOUL DAEMON IS SAFE FROM MY WRATH

[crisp heath]

Think like the world today and it's many countries, but multiple worlds

It was like that

[median marsh]

I WILL SEND MY TOTALLY NOT DAEMON LEGIONS AFTER NURGLE

and gather snacks

[storm jungle]

Yeah people just seperated and did their own thing

[hollow falcon]

Somehow there must be some form of government

[patent ivy]

There probably was

[crisp heath]

Yea, like today's world

[winter vessel]

Are you saying this to mock those who said we'd be fighting GSC in an update?

[crisp heath]

There were many probably

[hollow falcon]

UN?

[crisp heath]

That worked in a cohesive net of market and infrastructure

[storm jungle]

I'd never

[patent ivy]

Maybe? I can't see the UN lasting that long

[crisp heath]

Lol genestealers are coming damnit!!!!

[spare osprey]

And then we ended up with Mongolian storm wizards and knights with artillery cannons.

[storm jungle]

the Expanse is also a good example of what any form of "government" would be like when people go to explore space.

[crisp heath]

YouTube said so!!!

[spare osprey]

Perfect timeline

[storm jungle]

Like when or if we ever land people and colonize Mars/Moon you bet there will be secession

or not wanting to depend on people from "Earth" etc

[crisp heath]

There would have to be

[storm jungle]

Yeah people are like that unfortunately

[crisp heath]

It takes to long for communication to earth

They'd literally be on their own

[storm jungle]

all you need is one guy

[patent ivy]

Exactly

[storm jungle]

to just go

"We dont need earth's help, we got a good thing going"

then it dominoes from there

[spare osprey]

Then suddenly

[storm jungle]

oh god

not the Qu

[crisp heath]

Literally any attempt to colonize Mars immediately means they would no longer actually be witholden to anything but the UN, and even that's arguable

Lol bring on the Qu. I'm ready to join my fleshy mat brothers

[arctic talon]

Mmmm

Flesh cube

[tulip brook]

good luck fixing the logistics and sending reinforcements to another planet in case of a rebellion

[storm jungle]

Qu be like

"You drove a tank over my friend."

Turns you into sentient slug-rug

💀

[crisp heath]

@tulip brook literally this. I think it's what, three months there, and three months back? And communication takes literally minutes to transfer

[patent ivy]

Sounds like more than eye for an eye

[storm jungle]

Humanity in a nutshell tbh

"I don't like you."

"I don't like you either."

explosions

[crisp heath]

https://tenor.com/view/freeze-gif-5336674

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-wizard-money-gang-gif-18178013888257763473

[green loom]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explosion-gif-22708069

[crisp heath]

😆 chaos reigns!

[molten swan]

Wyrmwood got the big suck from a possessed

Rip

[crisp heath]

So... yeah. Bets on if Wyrmwood is still alive?

[storm jungle]

did you see the new vox vid

got uploaded 20 minutes ago

theres your answer

[molten swan]

As herself? Not alive no, poxwalker?

[crisp heath]

Thumbs up for Yay, thumbs down for nay

[molten swan]

Maybe

[storm jungle]

https://youtu.be/YMZd7o5UkEI

[crisp heath]

Oh there's a new on???

[green loom]

Yeah uh

I doubt it

[crisp heath]

Oh shiiiit

[storm jungle]

30m ago

[winter vessel]

Alive? We’d be lucky to find a body, more so a body to identify.

[molten swan]

🫡

[crisp heath]

Lolol well damn

[molten swan]

That daemon fella got her

[tulip brook]

grendyl you are next
grendyl: send a bunch of prisoners to clap its cheeks

[green loom]

Never underestimate the kleptomania of a bunch of murderhobos

[storm jungle]

I laughed when it happened ngl

im evil as shit

[arctic talon]

There’s not gona be a body to find lol

[green loom]

Imo we'll probably look up her beacon to grab info and shit

And then we get a new assassination mission maybe

[winter vessel]

No >Grendyl: Request John-Darktide?

…request acknowledged.

[storm jungle]

yeah Wyrmwood has been down there for months

like since the Moebian 6th landed as "backup"

[languid salmon]

Before that actually

[storm jungle]

cannot believe you'd "actually" me on this 😔

[languid salmon]

You’re welcome

[arctic talon]

Wyrmwood being daemon host theory is dead

[languid salmon]

Is it?

[arctic talon]

[arctic talon]

Idk she seems pretty dead to me

With that fucking soul suck

[patent ivy]

Creepy

[storm jungle]

Shame because it was actually a super good theory too

[languid salmon]

In all honesty I that was her becoming a daemon host

[patent ivy]

Cant wait for the update though

[arctic talon]

Yeah I wanted her to be the DH

As well

Too late now

[winter vessel]

Moebian 6th: “WE ARE HERE TO RESCUE YOU!”
Atoma Prime citizens: 🙂
Moebian 6th: “FROM YOURSELVES!”
Atoma Prime citizens: 😦

[storm jungle]

LMAO

the fact that they actually think that too

especially according to what the writers said about the regiment

[soft thunder]

yo the new vox transmission sounds like we are going to save wyrmwood for the anniversary

[storm jungle]

SHES DEAD

[patent ivy]

I don't think she alive

[storm jungle]

Me when #general-chat

[arctic talon]

[patent ivy]

Maybe...scream of excitement

Mistranslation

[rose thorn]

I need an audiobook for to while I mow

[arctic talon]

[languid salmon]

~~Could mean anything ~~

[soft thunder]

Sounds like she dropped her pearls probably didnt clutch them tightly enough

[languid salmon]

What does that even mean?

[crisp heath]

I'm more disappointed now because I thought all this was leading up to something from fatshark, and now it just feels dead and anticlimatic.

[green loom]

Gen chat lingo, they like to talk funny to compensate

[storm jungle]

I mean this isn't the final vox-comm

[languid salmon]

Which gen?

[storm jungle]

its just random background filler-lore

[arctic talon]

We get a new vox-comm

With another wyrmwood agent

[patent ivy]

2.o

[storm jungle]

Vox-comms also usually get posted when theres an upcoming update

[arctic talon]

they also die horrifically

[soft thunder]

it's a joke, because the PC beta players news and wyrmwood been here since launch

[crisp heath]

I know it's not, but it does seem like the major reasons for them, or at least the obvious one have been crossed out. I guess the plus side is I don't see what's coming, so I can maybe be pleasantly suprised

[languid salmon]

That horrible feeling when you find out your squad is part of a vox-comm

[arctic talon]

[dense salmon]

The vanguard bundle is kinda cool

[green loom]

I'm hoping we get more news by next wednesday or something

[molten swan]

A new wyrmwood agent maybe, a new enemy type (cult leader probably)

Def not over

[green loom]

Cus my weekend is gonna be SHIT and I need some good news

[crisp heath]

Lol you just know your screaming will be memorialized

[patent ivy]

Same thing as when you are just a side character on a team 🤣

[dense salmon]

Honestly a new map soon would make me happy

[patent ivy]

Sorry to hear

[languid salmon]

“It’s eating my face!”- last words of some veteran

[green loom]

I have 2 exams on a sunday

[patent ivy]

I get to see a buddy I haven't seen in a while this weekend

[dense salmon]

Was it you that said you study compsci?

[green loom]

No that's wolf

[dense salmon]

@green loom

Ah

[patent ivy]

Got leave to come home from the Marines

[green loom]

I'm linguistics

[dense salmon]

Thats right

What a noble study

I fucking love linguistics

[green loom]

My first exam is at 12 pm on Sunday

[patent ivy]

Why on a sunday though?

[green loom]

Idfk

[patent ivy]

That just sounds malicious

[outer wave]

Honestly kinda happy it is cuz it didnt make sense for us to be seeing multiple Daemonhosts in a room

[green loom]

I like all my profs, I just can't study cus I'm depressed as all hell

[outer wave]

Plus who knows they could bring her back as something worse

[arctic talon]

true

[patent ivy]

I feel ya. You'll get through it though

[arctic talon]

Let us go to the upper spire

I want to shoot up some rich nobles house

[green loom]

I feel like next missions are gonna be lower hive

[soft thunder]

So I guess that might be halescourge 2 on the vox comms

[outer wave]

We have to take on a noble house's forces on top of the Moebian 6th and Admonition

[patent ivy]

How funny would it be if there was a section of the map with a bunch of riches locked away behind a gate we can't access

[soft thunder]

our long awaited nurgle sorcerer multi stage boss fight making a return in darktide for anniversary i hope

[arctic talon]

We can go even deeper in the hive

Or higher

[patent ivy]

I was surprised there wasn't a halloween event

Or did I miss it

[dense salmon]

It would be cool to see a map that's a moebian 6th ship

[languid salmon]

Just crates or plasteel and diamantine in a place we can never get too

[dense salmon]

This might actually make me smash something

[soft thunder]

Brahms has a line about some vessel that is the 'pride of the fleet, and look at it now' kinda line. So maybe we gonna see some big crashed ship in the distance or something where ever the new map is gonna be

[green loom]

Scrap yard/drydock maybe

We see something like that in Consigment yard

In the distance

[soft thunder]

I wonder if it might be an Atoman ship or one of Brahms' own vessels. Haven't seen anything about the rogue trader having any other naval vessels

[green loom]

the Moebian domain I imagine has it's own patrol fleet or something

A local navy garrison

Maybe larger due to the Fringe wars

[dense salmon]

Imagine an end cinematic where we narrowly fly off from a trader ship as it gets broadsided

Or perhaps even a downed ship on atoma's surface

Containing traitor survivors and virus bombs

[celest dome]

There does exist the System Defense Force

[soft thunder]

wherever the new mission is it sounds like a like of stuff is on fire due to some preacher and a lot of tox-gas. So maybe we will see where a riot occured soewhere in the hive

[celest dome]

Which is the PDF equivalent of the Navy

[green loom]

I feel like it's either a Drydock mission or it'll be crashed in the Dunes

[soft thunder]

Either way we are gonna start working for brahms, rather than just rannick nad the warband

[dense salmon]

I doubt atoma is very biodiverse but seeing an area of the planet that isn't a rust desert or the hive would be cool

[arctic talon]

I’d like the actual upperhive

[crisp heath]

Without saying the emperor, I'm curious who everyone thinks is legit the most powerful character in the game, and why.

[crisp heath]

Big E is the only exception!

[green loom]

The heaviest hitters are the monolithic entities prowling in the abyss

[arctic talon]

You’re talking about in 40K as a whole?

[dense salmon]

Let's put the emperor and chaos gods in a tier of their own and talk about the more tangible characters

[arctic talon]

Or darktide specifically

[crisp heath]

@arctic talon yuup

[celest dome]

Hives sometime have great Jungle in them, usually for wood or Chem production

[dense salmon]

As for strongest regular-ish human?

[crisp heath]

@dense salmon nah, I threw in the chaos gods lol

[arctic talon]

I’m not counting any of the literal gods then

[dense salmon]

Maybe eisenhorn

[green loom]

The heaviest shit we can see are Greater Daemons and Ctan tbh

[arctic talon]

Because that would be lame

Greater daemons, large C’tan shards

The literal chosen of Gods

[celest dome]

C'tan are the highest, but I'd put them in God tier

[arctic talon]

C’tan are gods

[dense salmon]

Calgar punched a khaine shard to death

[arctic talon]

Practically speaking

[soft thunder]

MY honorable mentions go to Sly Marbo or Nork Deddog, true heroes of the Imperial Guard

[dense salmon]

But khaine is a jobber

A 40k journeyman

[arctic talon]

Khaine is the ultimate jobber

Lol

[patent ivy]

Isn't the rooftop mission with data extraction in the upper?

[dense salmon]

KHAINE

Not kharne

My bad

[arctic talon]

It’s lower upper hive

I want like

[patent ivy]

Oh

[arctic talon]

The noble spires

[crisp heath]

@soft thunder sly marbo is either a perpetual or a saint, change my mind

[arctic talon]

Not just the cushy workers areas

[dense salmon]

In terms of primarchs

[arctic talon]

Strongest mortal Psyker is Eldrad

[dense salmon]

Angron or vulcan are physically strongest

[arctic talon]

Because he’s been able to fight daemon magnus before

[dense salmon]

Magnus is the strongest in terms of warp

[winged jacinth]

Sly Marbo is a fictional character created for imperial propaganda holos

[dense salmon]

And seeing as magnus had incalculable potential in warp sorcery...

[arctic talon]

Sly Marbo is real

[crisp heath]

@winged jacinth lol I'd honestly believe that too

[arctic talon]

You cannot escape him

He’s coming for you now

[dense salmon]

Sly marbo was sent to defend an entire continent on armageddon

Single handedly

And he did it

[winged jacinth]

he's played by an imperial named Bilvester Balone

[dense salmon]

He actually fucking did it

Armed with explosives, a machete, an autopistol, and I think a bike

Sly marbo is from old 40k lore

When space marines were cops

And danced together

[winged jacinth]

the imperium is so huge there's no reason it wouldnt have fake propaganda war heroes who's gonna check

[crisp heath]

@dense salmon you mean good 40k lore? 🤣

[celest dome]

That Necron lord would be quite high
Silent King or something

[arctic talon]

True

Silent King is on top

He shattered a C’tan on his own

[dense salmon]

It's hard to say who the strongest non-god is

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[dense salmon]

Even the primarchs are gods

[storm jungle]

Ehhh no

[crisp heath]

Kidding, kidding. Just poking fun

[storm jungle]

they are just humans but bigger

[dense salmon]

Human avatars of minor warp gods

[arctic talon]

Theres a minor warp entity shoved into them

Prolly

[storm jungle]

I wouldnt say avatar

that is really hyping them up a bit lol

[crisp heath]

Who's the strongest God then?

[arctic talon]

In terms of psychic power Eldrad is probably the strongest?

[arctic talon]

Khorne rn

[dense salmon]

Currently khorne

[storm jungle]

Magnus, Eldrad and Big E

[dense salmon]

Hands down

[celest dome]

Isn't Nurgle in ascendency atm ?

[arctic talon]

He was

[dense salmon]

Magnus if never corrupted had extreme potential

[arctic talon]

Till tzeentch and khorne

Did a funny

[dense salmon]

He could have been an equal to big E in terms of psyker power

Seeing as he's softly implied to be the inheritor of the golden throne

[storm jungle]

the tabletop C'tan had an ability where they could send you back in time to the pitch black of space before the Big Bang even happened

[crisp heath]

Hmm, but couldn't it be said there are eldritch, deep warp entities far worse that the chaos gods, that even Khorne dares not stray into its depths

[dense salmon]

Tzeentch is the "weakest"

But pretty much every action empowers tzeentch

[celest dome]

I see an advantage to it

Like a Silver linning

lining ?

[dense salmon]

Killing someone is a change from life to death so you serve tzeentch in that way

[crisp heath]

@dense salmon isn't he the weakest by choice though?

[arctic talon]

Tzeentch was the strongest

For a while

[crisp heath]

Like he gave up his staff, literally granting magic to the universe in the process

[tulip brook]

where does that deep warp thing come? I haven't heard anything reliable about it but fanfic

[celest dome]

Tzeentch has been ascendent quite a few time

[dense salmon]

Tzeentch players will tell you tzeentch is actually just pretending to be weak as 4d chess move

[arctic talon]

During the psychic awakening

But nah

He’s the second weakest rn

[dense salmon]

None of the chaos gods are WEAK

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[dense salmon]

They just have more or less influence

[celest dome]

They wax and wane, so it's more important to think of who is ascendent at which time

[dense salmon]

Nurgle and khorne are neck and neck with khorne being higher after the plague wars

[arctic talon]

Khorne ate good during arks of omen

As well

[dense salmon]

Nurgle is unique among the chaos gods as he makes the most daemons

And a chaos god creating daemons is splitting their essence

[tulip brook]

weaker compared to each other, 🌽 is enjoying a lot of relevance at this point

[dense salmon]

So rhe more daemons, the more the chaos god is "split"

But it's not like there's an exact metric to say how large those gods are and how many times they can split

The chaos gods are constantly developing and growing

[tulip brook]

but more they can spread their forces and get more followers and more power

[crisp heath]

@tulip brook can I dm you? Don't want to info dump here

[celest dome]

@storm jungle Being sent before the Big Bang mean that it's before the War in Haven right ?

[crisp heath]

Idk if it's allowed

[storm jungle]

Yep

[dense salmon]

If it's about 40k its allowed

[celest dome]

So honestly, it's not the worst fate

[tulip brook]

sure, I wouldn't mind a bunch of links I can dive into

[crisp heath]

It's a lot though

[storm jungle]

yes the safest place in 40k

aka the time before nobody existed

[crisp heath]

Fuck it. If it's bad delete it lol

[arctic talon]

Your soul will be pretty nice

[crisp heath]

‘There are layers,’ said Veil, impatiently. ‘Yes, there is stratum aetheris, the shallow ways. There is stratum profundis, the greater arteries, plunging deeper. There is stratum obscurus, the root of the terror. How does this help you? No living man can navigate the deep ways. Even he could not.’

‘But you try to map it.’

‘It could not be done.’ Veil shook his head with frustration. ‘He was wrong about that, at least. It is not a mirror. It moves like a living thing. It is a living thing. Touch it, and it trembles.’ He briefly lost his certainty. ‘I do not have the Eye, but still I have seen things. I have studied what they study. The complexity is… immortal.’

‘Try to explain.’ Yesugei spoke softly. ‘I am fast learner.’

Veil exhaled, his eyes widening. ‘The Seethe is an ocean. All know this – it has currents, it has depths, it has storms. Near the surface, you can see the Cartomancer’s light. You can follow it. You can use your Geller aegis, and you are kept barred from the Intelligences. But even then, you are just below the upper limits. Go deeper and the aegis shatters. The lights go out. The Eye is blinded. When men say that they traverse the warp, they boast, for no mortal does more than skim across eternity’s face, like stones thrown by a child. We do not belong there. It is poison for us, and the deeper in, the worse the poison.’

‘Achelieux try to go deeper?’

‘Who knows? Maybe. He did not succeed. Do you know why not? Because it is impossible. It takes the power of a tormented sun just to puncture the shallowest shoals. No energy in our arsenal could possibly pierce further. String the reactors of a dozen battleships together, double their potential, and still it would not be enough. So no, he did not succeed.’

Chris Wraight, Horus Heresy 36 - The Path of Heaven)

[arctic talon]

Lol

[crisp heath]

Even Tzeentch dares not enter the Well of Eternity, the vast receptacle of knowledge at center of the universe. The Great Sorcerer, mighty though he is, cannot be sure of survival within the inky currents of infinity. Still the Well of Eternity holds great sway over Tzeentch’s mind, for it is the one puzzle he cannot solve, and the one mystery he cannot know — a challenge almost painful in its intensity.

The Changer of Ways was himself afraid to enter the roiling currents of the Well, and so he sent his most powerful and trusted Greater Daemons in his stead. But none of these Lords of Change ever returned from the Well.

Frustrated, Tzeentch enacted one last gambit, snatching up his vizier, Kairos, first amongst his daemonic servants, and cast him into the Well of Eternity. The Greater Daemon or something wearing him returned. The changes the Well wrought upon the daemon lord were drastic in the extreme. Now, don't forget that daemons are parts of their God. See, for example, Tzeentch Inner Out excerpt from Ahriman series by the very John French.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Well_of_Eternity

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Kairos_Fateweaver

It is still there in the fresh codex

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Codex:_Chaos_Daemons_(8th_Edition))

The daemon admits that it desires to be free so it might flee before Haarlock, “returns to plunge these stars of Calyx in to an abyss that none, not even my kind, can escape.”

If asked what Haarlock wanted or where he went after shattering the mirror, the Daemon shudders in pain and answers through clenched jaws, “Beyond the void of night, to change what was and master what can be, and from thence he now comes, returning from where no man nor god returns unchanged. Seek the Blind Tesseract if you would chart his course...”

(...)

“He paid my price,” she says, tapping the canister beneath her nails before carrying on, “So I told him. I told him the only place that would end his desires would be the black star, and that’s where he went and that’s where he’s reckon’ to return from. Only what’ll walk back wearing his face, not even I know.”

The Haarlock's Legacy adventures ( Disciples of the Dark Gods / Tattered Fates • Damned Cities • Dead Stars)

[arctic talon]

Oh hey

The lore dump

[tulip brook]

that should have been a dm I guess 😄

[crisp heath]

This was some in the deep warp

[arctic talon]

[celest dome]

I'm dead, but my soul is gonna survive, could it grow in theory ?

[crisp heath]

I said it was a lot lolol

[dense salmon]

The warp is fluid and malleable

But also a maelstrom

It's possible for a powerful soul to linger and grow as consciousness is directed towards it

See: the emperor

The warp gods themselves are just hyper evolved concepts made manifest

[crisp heath]

@celest dome in the 40k universe, I'd belive so

[tulip brook]

imo still "there are more powerful beans in there" is a stretch. these excerpts are only saying it's so wild down there even chaos gods aren't safe to delve

[muted rose]

Easiest answer - yes, if you retain self-awareness. Then you can nom others.

[crisp heath]

Because it's known souls go to the warp and continue to exist

If yours is particularly persistent and gathers energy, its likely it could become a daemon of some sort

@tulip brook I agree. It does not outwardly assert there is or isn't entities there. But it exists, and the gods fear it

[tulip brook]

granted, dying should be pretty traumatic for souls too. starting from bottom and maybe not losing self awareness and growing into an entity

[muted rose]

The biggest problem is - if you retaiin "self" - you are most likely psyker. And so - bright spark. And so - likely nomed before you mastered your new self.

[crisp heath]

Both of these too

[dense salmon]

Yes, the warp is still the warp

A dangerous ocean of predators and super predators

Where a psyker soul is a big glowing krill

[storm jungle]

Basically high-school

[crisp heath]

But, using that ocean analogy, the gods are like apex sharks swimming in the middle owning everything, but like our oceans, even worse monstrosities likely exist where they fear to tread, the deep abyss

[dense salmon]

The gods are so utterly incomprehensible in terms of scale that it's easier to equate them to the concept of a predator than any actual predator

Just looming death, suffering, and fear

[crisp heath]

That's true, but I think the analogy still works

[tulip brook]

even the "safest" purple warp portals look pretty scary, nty

[crisp heath]

I'm not comparing them necessarily to sharks, and more to that ecological niche in the hellscape that is the warp

[hollow falcon]

we just have to be nice to each other and the warp will turn into heaven 😄

[lapis wadi]

You ever play agar.io? And there are those supermassive players on a scale far higher than your starting size?

I think of 'em like that

[molten swan]

the lesser and greater daemons are likely the lesser things of the "ocean" and the gods are uhh.. collisional squids or something idk lol

[dense salmon]

It's pretty much too late, but by restricting the knowledge of the chaos gods, they are sort of being "starved"

But so long as those concepts exist, those gods will too

And because time in the warp is non-linear, they always have and always will exist

Where death and decay exists, nurgle has influence for example

The warp was relatively peaceful before the war in heaven though

A galactic spanning war on a scale that has never been seen before or after

Caused the collective consciousness to bleed, suffer, and rage

And the echoes of that are felt into current setting

[crisp heath]

💯, even when the warp wasn't a hellscape, these gods existed in different forms. Like Khorne was honor and pride, T was the pursuit of knowledge and so on.

[tulip brook]

it seems to me unless you are perfectly boring and mid, you're feeding them in some way

[crisp heath]

And worship on planets unaffected by war still follows this generally

[storm jungle]

The chaos gods were always evil

they have no positive aspects

thats just a fandom theory

[dense salmon]

There is no way to avoid those concepts existing without turning the universe into nothing again

Everyone dies and rots, we change every day, we all have a violent "shadow", etc etc

Slaanesh is probably the easiest to avoid

[green loom]

The nuance of chaos lies with it's followers, the Gods themselves are deceptively one dimensional

[storm jungle]

Yeah chaos is not that deep

they are basically cartoon villains

its been their entire point since Fantasy

[crisp heath]

That's just because, it's kinda like global warming, yea? Sounds weird but hear me out. Once heat rises a certain amount, it cascades and there's nothing you can do right? A least that's what's said. Idc what you believe. But after you reach that amount, all it can do is grow no matter what. We did that with the warp. It got to hot, and now no matter what happens, it will only get hotter. Everything we do "now" really does only add to it, because again. It's too late.

[green loom]

Their codex opens with "Oh btw these are literally the most evil things ever, have fun"

[storm jungle]

^

You are literally playing them because you know they are completely evil.

[dense salmon]

The chaos gods come as your friends and offer power and greatness, but it's always a faustian bargain

[storm jungle]

You are suppose to have fun with that knowledge, its great

[storm jungle]

"I give you a chainsaw head."

"You go kill people for me."

[green loom]

That's provided they even come offering, a planet may worship Malgor, God of Warriors and Battles
But it's actually just Khorne

[dense salmon]

Khorne is admittedly the most straight forward

[crisp heath]

Thats not true at all, multiple worlds were shown to worship them for benevolent factors?

[dense salmon]

Thats another good point, the emperor has a conversation with corvus at one point

[green loom]

Ok source

[dense salmon]

Corvus looks at his face and asks if its his true face

And the emperor says "I have no true face"

[crisp heath]

Nurgle literally is still arguably a nice guy

[dense salmon]

The same is true of chaos gods

[green loom]

No he isn't

[tulip brook]

I play them because their models look weird and cool. every faction has their brand of evil

[storm jungle]

Because they are literally delusional

💀

thats the point

[green loom]

Most chaos worshippers turn to chaos because things are bad enough that it doesn't matter to thme

[dense salmon]

The gods will gleefully subject your soul to an eternity of suffering and feed on the pain

[tulip brook]

coping and blind faith doesn't mean they aren't evil

[green loom]

Mortarion was turned more of less forcefully by Nurgle trapping him and his fleet in the warp until he relented

[storm jungle]

"The chaos gods have good aspects" is misinformation spread from Liber Chaotica which itself was a warhammer fantasy product.

And the "good aspects" thing was said from the mouth of a chaos cultist interrogated by a witch hunter.

People took this and ran with it.

because warhammer fans 💀

[dense salmon]

They are the demiurge of warhammer

[green loom]

And like you can hear the poxwalkers in game

[dense salmon]

Without nuance

Their followers can be nuanced

But the gods are just fickle and capricious forces of suffering

[green loom]

Yeah a world can worship them indirectly

They cover such vague and wide concepts

[dense salmon]

Like khorne embodies violence

A freedom fighter is violent

A knight is violent

[green loom]

There could be a cult worshipping Khorne as a god of Martial Honour and Bravery
But ultimately it's only the blood that matters

[dense salmon]

They might have good reasons, but violence itself is never good

[arctic talon]

The tau following an ancient fertility ritual they found on a planet bcs it isn’t raining and the locals say to use it

shit summoned a greater daemon of nurgle

[crisp heath]

But he also embodies honorable combat. Literally he fucked up one of his greater daemons, not for attacking him, but for doing it from behind with cowardice...

[green loom]

He beat him to shit because he didn't beat him

[crisp heath]

Khorne I mean

[arctic talon]

He didn’t do it for cowardice

[green loom]

Under Khorne 3 things matter

[arctic talon]

He did it for even daring to

[green loom]

Skulls, blood, and how hard you hit

Might makes right is their only rule

That and no sorcery

[arctic talon]

He wasn’t mad at skarbrand bcs of his backstabbing

He was mad he even dared to attempt to strike him

[tulip brook]

he might be pissed about skarbrand getting tricked by tzeentch too

[green loom]

Like also

[tulip brook]

bigger insult than him striking khorne

[green loom]

He cannot feasibly be a god of honour

Because

This dude exists

[dense salmon]

Violence can be committed for honorable reasons, but the violence is still violence

All the same meat to khorne

[green loom]

Yeah he doesn't give a fuck

You can betray a ton of people

But the blood is flowing, so no one gives a damn

[crisp heath]

Yall say this like they can't have multiple aspects lol... but ok. I can see when I'm out numbered lol

[green loom]

As you can see above, his mortal champion literally carries the title "Betrayer", and is known for team killing

[green loom]

Cults can worship whatever, doesn't change the actual god

[tulip brook]

yup, his champion is actively hunting world eaters too

[green loom]

You know like I said earlier

[crisp heath]

I didn't say he stood for honor now.... I feel like what I'm saying has flown over most...

[green loom]

[crisp heath]

The warp has changed over time. We know this as fact

[green loom]

The Gods came after it changed though

They're parasites that feed on broad concepts

[crisp heath]

The gods have existed forever

And never

[tulip brook]

yeah we get it their worshippers can attribute some of their aspects in a brighter light but it doesn't mean they actually care for any of those

[green loom]

In theory, but in practice not really

[dense salmon]

The warp changes from our perspective

[lapis wadi]

Remember, NEVER pay attention to the propaganda
ONLY their actions

I can say I'm a good person, that's easy. Don't believe me because I said so, see if I do good things.

[dense salmon]

But within the warp, once a concept has an inception

It just always was

Slaanesh owes their inception to the eldar

[crisp heath]

I'm not saying it's propaganda. I'm saying it's a possible past!

Lolol

[green loom]

Smh Snek, if the direct forces of this aptly named Malefic parasite are actively sadistic and evil, and his influence actively promotes mindless bloodshed and violence, he can still totally be something else

[dense salmon]

But once she had his inception, they just always existed

[tulip brook]

hear me out, we all blame eldar for too long but the real culprit was crabs

[lapis wadi]

I'm talking about people believing in positive aspects of chaos gods, it's all baloney

[tulip brook]

have you seen her demons?

those crabs are vile

[lapis wadi]

Slaanesh's lesser known domain: crabs

[green loom]

We've seen that warp daemons don't really change though, their nature stays their nature

[dense salmon]

So khorne for example has always embodied violence and brutality

His followers may have worshipped him in different ways

[green loom]

He embodies this by proxy
He is the god of blood first and foremost

[lapis wadi]

The "Always and never existed" is so much of a headache.
Just say the first three arose from the WiH.

The huge war that involved psionic superbeings caused the gods of War and Magic? Yeah sure, that's easy enough

[crisp heath]

But like, they don't say that. So the possibility is there dammit. Yall don't have to like my dream assholes lolol but don't kill it!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/davina-claire-dont-yiubdare-hurt-him-the-originals-gif-21006144

[dense salmon]

I'm sure a minor warp entity that embodies honor and courage exists

The chaos gods themselves overlap

[green loom]

There's warp entities for everything

[dense salmon]

Like death is a type of change so it expands the influence of nurgle and tzeentch

[hollow falcon]

Now what if the emperor dies and becomes some sort of chaos god?