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#40k-lore-chat
green loom
crisp heath
@burnt maple this I highly disagree with
burnt maple
Him keeping secrets.
crisp heath
He was not compulsive in the least, as so far as has been shown. He was meticulous to a fault, and arguably with foresight as powerful as his, every single thing has been planned by him so far
molten swan
He kept secrets because his sons couldn’t handle it I think
Some of them at least
Among other things
crisp heath
And I also don't necessarily think humanities best interests were always at his forefront of priorities. At best, it was simply the most convincing lie
burnt maple
His foresight allowed him to see end results, not the way.
burnt maple
And I also don't necessarily think humanities best interests were always at his ...
This I disagree with lol
molten swan
Yeah I think humanities best chance is with big E
As shown by the literal galaxy spanning empire he created before it fell apart
crisp heath
@burnt maple if they were, many different decisions would likely have been made that potentially didn't favor him but would have been favorable to the rest of humanity
burnt maple
Example? And please don't mention nikaea, that was bs.
molten swan
For example, how would humanity not simply be trapped as techno barbarians fighting for the rest of time?
arctic talon
For example, how would humanity not simply be trapped as techno barbarians fight...
Mechanicum most likely
They were beginning to contact their old colonies
But that’s a whole other can of worms
crisp heath
I mean but you mentioned it, so you know it's a fact. But honestly, a lot. He didn't allow for the fostering of outside thought. He didn't allow for innovation. Every decision placed him higher on a pedestal, and we know he changes his appearance and aura with the warp to suit his audience
burnt maple
What. Wait.
crisp heath
Every single thing he ever did made him a God head, even when he preached against it
molten swan
The admech don’t allow for innovation (Cawl still innovates)
molten swan
He is seen as a god, because he is a god, much to his displeasure
crisp heath
Cawl is an outlier under immense amounts of scrutiny all the time
burnt maple
Admech doesnt allow innovation because it is FUCKING SCARY TO THEM. History says it all.
molten swan
Tbh
hollow falcon
They just need to find a fully intact STC
molten swan
Like oh look, I made this cool new robot to help us robot kills everyone
Same reason dwarves don’t like to innovate, they like to make sure it won’t kill everyone when they pull the trigger 🤣
crisp heath
It also doubles as keeping the populace stupid and easily manipulable
molten swan
Is the population being indoctrinated not for their own good? In a perfect world they’d likely not need to, but this is 40k, not a perfect world
In a galaxy when you can wake up a psyker, see some horror of the warp and explode into a warp portal, is extreme caution bad?
crisp heath
Is it for their own good, or has it been to serve one man who told them it was for their own good, who led a path so far down that now its the only way
Especially with a culture like the tau
Who might not be perfect, but show that there is a better option to the imperium
Culture wise
molten swan
I’d say it’s ultimately for their own good, the 40k galaxy is one ultimately protected by the Emperor, it’s not about control like with the Tau
molten swan
The Tau literally mindcontrol their lessers and have a strict caste system where you cannot advance or intermingle for long periods of time lest you waste time not working for the greater good
burnt maple
^
crisp heath
Like I said, not perfect. And isn't there an offshoot that separated because of that?
molten swan
And the worst part is the castes are basically different races, but they’re all mind controlled and reinforced by the ethereals
To work for the highest caste
The etherals
crisp heath
But the imperium is literally stated as the worst human regime imaginable
By its authors lol
burnt maple
Like I said, not perfect. And isn't there an offshoot that separated because of ...
So are most worlds of the Imperium calm and peaceful, like Earth today.
green loom
And the worst part is the castes are basically different races, but they’re all ...
Source for the mind control 
green loom
So are most worlds of the Imperium calm and peaceful, like Earth today.
That's a hilarious misunderstanding because even the "peaceful" worlds are dystopian hellscapes
molten swan
Not exactly tbh
green loom
Yes exactly
burnt maple
Nope.
crisp heath
@green loom pretty sure it was alluded to in one of... dammit I'm forgetting his name but he was like a really famous captain or something for them
green loom
You're not exempt from the tithe, so either you break your back paying it or get butchered until you do
molten swan
An Agri world where you farm 24/7 isn’t a dystopian hellhole. Many worlds, like those in Ultramar are not dystopian hellholes at all
crisp heath
@green loom that's kinda what I thought myself, that even the peaceful ones weren't like, good planets
burnt maple
So long a world doesn't do some crucial task for the Imperium, it is calm.
arctic talon
There’s a ton of agriworlds that are absolute shit
green loom
They render planets barren within a few cycles
burnt maple
Pay your tithe and fuck off.
green loom
Yeah but then the tithe is the problem
molten swan
Yes, but compared to literally being eaten by some huge bug? I’ll farm thanks
green loom
And the people are still violently repressed on a good day
burnt maple
Makes it not a hellscape by default.
If managed well, the worldin question can be really cool to live on.
Unless you are farming or smithing.
Then you are fucked.
green loom
If they're managing well they're likely a more advanced world, so subject to the funny thing called Imperial nobility
marsh berry
I sure am glad Earth today is a calm and peaceful world
crisp heath
How often does the imperium manage anything even half decent, let alone well
molten swan
Also the Tau mind control is from a few books, prob easier to just look up ethereal mind control, but it’s basically pheromones and some other theories
crisp heath
Actually the Orks haver their own Malum Caedo.
green loom
Also the Tau mind control is from a few books, prob easier to just look up ether...
Theories
You don't even need to bs it for yourself to see what the hell is going on there
molten swan
Theories on how the ethereals control their lessers so well, yeah
arctic talon
Tau don’t have mind control
burnt maple
If they're managing well they're likely a more advanced world, so subject to the...
Nobody said it is a permanent state, the good life.
green loom
It's just fanatacism, you know the thing common af in the Imperium?
crisp heath
Like, it's a real thing. I still think the tau is a better culture than the imperium, but the mind control is a fact
molten swan
They also have pheromones and the etherals tricks. Way more than just propaganda
arctic talon
They also have pheromones and the etherals tricks. Way more than just propaganda
The pheromones thing isn’t confirmed in lore
🤓
It’s a theory
green loom
They have reeducation camps, why do people close in on the fucking pheromones lol
crisp heath
How it works hasn't been fleshed out by gw, that's why there are theories, but it is a thing
arctic talon
The tau are just an irl facist regime
green loom
We know the Nagi or whatever they're called can screw with minds
green loom
But beyond that they're pretty tame compared to
arctic talon
A stratified society
green loom
You know
green loom
Servitors and hypno indoctrination
arctic talon
Tbh
molten swan
The pheromones thing isn’t confirmed in lore
Not outwardly confirmed but it makes sense, the first Tau codex said it itself, the Tau etherals can compel other Tau to do things against their will
arctic talon
I would not want to be in a Tau re-education camp
arctic talon
4e?
dense salmon
The tau are just an irl facist regime
They're a mishmash of various authoritarian Asian governments
molten swan
You can see this when Tau are rioting and the etherals walk in, everyone calms down, folks start crushing each other to get out of the etherals way
arctic talon
I don’t have any old Tau codex’s
dense salmon
With a caste system
green loom
I don't think that's Pheromones my guy
You know who has a similar phenomenon
Primarchs
molten swan
Also, there’s a scene when Aunva tells a water caste to end her life, and she instantly does it
dense salmon
Primarchs have a literal god aura that forces their sons to obey
crisp heath
@green loom it might not be, but it's not simple indoctrination either
green loom
And ig marines with Transhuman dread
dense salmon
The emperor could mind control vast swaths of humanity if he wanted to
molten swan
The water caste didn’t even want to but she listened and ended her life
arctic talon
Tbh if Kim Jong Un told some mid level North Korean officer to kill themselves
They would
crisp heath
Probably has a few times
dense salmon
He used his psychic might to make lorgar and the word bearers kneel before him
arctic talon
Just saying
dense salmon
Just as an example of what serving a God is like
arctic talon
The level of fanaticism the tau display is possible with extreme propaganda and enforcement
crisp heath
The emperor could mind control vast swaths of humanity if he wanted to
Would explain a few moments in lore
storm jungle
Tbh if Kim Jong Un told some mid level North Korean officer to kill themselves
Mostly this yeah
the Emperor doesnt need to mind control people
green loom
Yeah anyway
storm jungle
he has charisma
green loom
"Tau are literally The Imperium" is a dumb take
dense salmon
He has w rizz
storm jungle
Also yeah lmao
green loom
The point is firmly above your head atm
hollow falcon
Tau will get crushed
crisp heath
The level of fanaticism the tau display is possible with extreme propaganda and ...
No. It simply is not. And again. It's been confirmed multiple times in Novels and codices it exists. It simply hasnt been explained how it works so people made a theory you dont like.
green loom
Yeah but they haven't had their funny sorta kinda destined character development into an imperium-esque shitscape
patent ivy
Commissar?? You must be a big deal
arctic talon
I don’t see why you think this level of fanaticism isn’t possible via propaganda
molten swan
Theres another scene when the etherals walk into two camps of tau that are fighting, they again instantly start negotiating and the book says they were "felt inexplicably compelled to act as the Ethereals wished".
forest orbit
Tau will get crushed
Shoo to the Imperial Guard discord
molten swan
what leader IRL makes you "inexplicably compelled" to follow their commands? @arctic talon
storm jungle
Literally any IRL dictator
green loom
Yeah lmfao
storm jungle
lmfao
crisp heath
@arctic talon because it's stated to not be fanaticism. It's literally stated as an eerie calm that comes over them all
green loom
It's drilled into you
molten swan
Not in this way, no
storm jungle
Like you do not understand how brainwashed humans can get
molten swan
this isnt brainwashing lmao
arctic talon
I mean propaganda is brainwashing
storm jungle
^
molten swan
its not propaganda either
storm jungle
molten swan
its literally the etherals controlling them lmao
patent ivy
what leader IRL makes you "inexplicably compelled" to follow their commands? <@2...
This guy
forest orbit
Not really
Its left in the air
the Tau are as fanatical to their leaders as the Imperials are to theirs
crisp heath
But it's literally stated in lore that that's not what is happening, that the ethereal have this power. Idk why people are arguing a known fact in the lore...
This is silly
patent ivy
I think this was the thing that got me more interested. I knew about 40k back then, but the memes surrounding this
forest orbit
But it's literally stated in lore that that's not what is happening, that the et...
The pheremone shit literally comes from a non-canon biology book
which was written by an imperial
its literally all gibberish
green loom
You grow up, and every single day in your life it's drilled into you that your masters are the paragons of peace and sensibility
All tau are fallible, but the Ethereals are not
If you grow up accepting this as the literal fundamental truth of your society, you'll find you have a fairly extreme reverence for said group of people
crisp heath
I have multiple times said it's not pheromones
storm jungle
You grow up, and every single day in your life it's drilled into you that your m...
^
molten swan
it could be phermones, but thats old lore from xenology and not outwardly confirmed as I said
crisp heath
Feel like nobody has read anything I've written. I'm just gonna peace out...
storm jungle
Lore Chat Moment
green loom
They're not brainwashed from the point where they have formed ideas
The brainwashing IS the ideas
marsh berry
Do we actually know whether Trump excretes pheremones
forest orbit
I mean
green loom
It's sorta like Death Korps or Cadians in a way
molten swan
cheeto fumes
forest orbit
fack, same
green loom
I've got
molten swan
The phermones implication in Xenology is that the Eldar engineered the Ethereals using pheromone control biology stolen from an insectile species called the Q'orl btw
storm jungle
Yeah thats a wild ass theory
green loom
Nuts
storm jungle
Yeah its non-canon
patent ivy
Cheetos are overrated I think
molten swan
yes its old as I said
storm jungle
its a great fucking book tho
molten swan
regardless still relevant, esp to tau and a lot of the xenos it touches
storm jungle
Eh no
crisp heath
That doesn't mean newer books haven't still informed the idea they have the power, again how it works has simply not been explained.
crisp heath
But the power exists
green loom
Also the newer book is cooler
storm jungle
That ill disagree with
green loom
molten swan
Catachan Devil eating a tank, yum
crisp heath
Another power that hasn't been explained that definitely exist, perpetuals. This shit exists in universe guys
arctic talon
Liber Xenologis?
molten swan
ye
storm jungle
yep
storm jungle
Another power that hasn't been explained that definitely exist, perpetuals. This...
yeah but consider this
arctic talon
Xenologis is much better as an actual like book
green loom
Another power that hasn't been explained that definitely exist, perpetuals. This...
We know "perpetual" as a term is about as consistent as Marine armour marks
storm jungle
literally just Abnett's self-insert of Eternals, because he wrote for Marvel
crisp heath
That die, alot
molten swan
nuke them, die, come back
crisp heath
@green loom still exists
green loom
Some live forever
molten swan
you need to kill them with special anti perpetual weapons to make it permanent
green loom
Some just don't
storm jungle
you need to kill them with special anti perpetual weapons to make it permanent
the most 40k sentence ever
legit playground rules
patent ivy
Perpetuals just a funny concept cuz in a situation like the Empire of Man, you can have the same person lead it indefinitely
green loom
you need to kill them with special anti perpetual weapons to make it permanent
Unless they just die randomly because Abnett thought it'd be funny
crisp heath
But they still exist
storm jungle
Unless they just die randomly because Abnett thought it'd be funny
Abnett Moment
crisp heath
Allll this shit talk, and they still exist
crisp heath
So do the ethereals, so does their power
dense salmon
i look away for 10 minutes and lore chat is heatingu p
green loom
i look away for 10 minutes and lore chat is heatingu p
Yeah I'm readying the Pyre already
dense salmon
i always found the tau to be kind of boring personally
green loom
Phil kelly misses a lot of the potential to write his le epic OC Farsight
dense salmon
the tau have a caste system
there is no real world caste system like it, but india has one to this day
storm jungle
I mean yeah
molten swan
india yeah, pretty close
molten swan
cant advance
storm jungle
molten swan
cant mingle
marsh berry
It's a good thing Imperial citizens are free to do whatever they like
molten swan
thought thankfully most young folks dont do that anymore
green loom
I mean it's a thing that they also don't want to mingle
Tau are pretty like
Apathetic kinda
dense salmon
let's ask a tau
molten swan
obviously
green loom
No they just don't have family units typically
storm jungle
^
green loom
Like Farsight iirc has feelings for Shadowsun and it's an oddity
storm jungle
I mean Shadowsun is big waifu so
crisp heath
FARSIGHT THAT WAS THAT MOFOS NAME!!!
green loom
No they don't have families
molten swan
not just family
patent ivy
is the new shop cycle tomorrow or next week?
Thought it resets daily
green loom
For the premium shop it's next thursday
molten swan
friends cant mingle too much, cant have too much fun with another caste, gotta focus on the greater good
dense salmon
hallowette's my bad
patent ivy
Oh
storm jungle
no its Halloween
storm jungle
friends cant mingle too much, cant have too much fun with another caste, gotta f...
me in university
patent ivy
College has been boring
crisp heath
Doesn't farsight literally separate and start another faction of tau specifically because of the ethereals power in one of his books
molten swan
doesnt like the mind control yes big rebel
crisp heath
Iideals!!?!?!?! They control your mind lol. It's not ideal clashing, is ideal inception lol
storm jungle
oh my god
crisp heath
Dude was like nope km out
storm jungle
Im gonna imply this gun to my foot
crisp heath
They literally do though 🤣 I don't get how you can deny it
molten swan
I suppose the narrator saying that tau are compelled to act around etherals against their will is just propaganda!
storm jungle
They literally do though 🤣 I don't get how you can deny it
because its 40k
and its inconsistenet as shit
maybe thats how
also like
crisp heath
It's in farsights books!!! And I know that's not outdated
dense salmon
i would weigh in if i read a single tau book in my life
crisp heath
Ehh, I agree honestly
molten swan
how do you explain the funny little mind control node they found in the etheral autopsy? 
crisp heath
🤣
green loom
Wait I can't find anything on Farsight doing it because of the mind control
storm jungle
how do you explain the funny little mind control node they found in the etheral ...
From an outdated/non-canon book with a crazy magos as the chief surgeon
like
every autopsy
is literally him theorizing
thats the point
molten swan
doesnt matter if hes crazy, he has a literal body
storm jungle
dense salmon
naked tau...
storm jungle
Im gonna make you explode
dense salmon
dad bod ultramarine with a cigar
crisp heath
@green loom read the books
dense salmon
BALDING dad bod ultramarine with a cigar
marsh berry
‘Tau Tau’
patent ivy
Its so funny how the dude with a cigar looks like Tony
dense salmon
tony soprano
patent ivy
🤣
green loom
DUDE
green loom
EMPIRE OF LIES
H
HAS A SECTION
ON HOW THE WATER CASTE CONDUCT HERO WORSHIP TO INSPIRE OBEDIENCE
dense salmon
"whateva happened to... marius gage. now that was an ultramarine. the strong, silent type."
green loom
In other words
storm jungle
I mean... But is he thooooooo
Adolf Moment
green loom
LITERALLY PROPAGANDA
storm jungle
at this point
seeing the word "mind control"
makes me want to go berserk
maybe its working
molten swan
Your thoughts betray you
green loom
Do you think macabbian fans know where "Jannisary" comes from
storm jungle
no they dont
arctic talon
green loom
"They're cleaners right, Janitors?"
marsh berry
I feel like I saw that word in Chivalry
storm jungle
guard fans are mostly like european/western dudes who see a historical reference
and wojak point
"OMG ITS FRANCE IN SPACE"
hollow falcon
Heresy
green loom
What's the Tunisian ripoff called
molten swan
Jannisary like those guys with the fancy hats
dense salmon
guard fans are mostly like european/western dudes who see a historical reference
nah cmon, i'm a mixed guy who loves the guard
warhammer is for everybody
storm jungle
nah cmon, i'm a mixed guy who loves the guard
Yeah because you are actually cultured and know history
hollow falcon
Guard's the best, fuck the rest
dense salmon
Yeah because you are actually cultured and know history
i'm humbled to receive a genuine compliment
green loom
You know some guard fans really remind me of those old action toys with built in action voicelines
forest orbit
Guard's the best, fuck the rest
Go heehaw someplace else
storm jungle
oh god
marsh berry
About to get my irl aquila forehead tattoo wish me luck guys
storm jungle
NOOOO
green loom
Dilara can you edit something
storm jungle
One sec
molten swan
Krieg memers next
green loom
I've got a comic page idea, could you add sounds to it
molten swan
Grab your shovels!!!
storm jungle
Sure, what is it
green loom
I'll get back to you on that tomorro
molten swan
(Bayonet is the superior melee weapon)
storm jungle
👍
crisp heath
Look, I disagree heavily with the pheromone theory myself. They're to few and rare for that to be controlling the entire empire. But they are doing something. Yes, every society uses propaganda, in 40k and irl. But some of the things shown from the ethereals are actions a person simply would not take if they were rationale and in control of their own actions compared to being influenced or controlled by another. As was stated earlier, there is a procession scene where they walk through a riot and an eerie calm surrounds the entire crowd at once, as soon as they arrive. And as they walk through, people literally trample over one another, while still remaining in this weird calm state, just to clear a path for them
molten swan
green loom
"Watcha got there"
"A guard fan"
winds up
"The Emperor Protects! Heresy! Heresy!"
winter vessel
yeah im the "WWII history geek" one in this scenario.
green loom
winds up
"Fix bayonets! Fix bayonets!"
molten swan
Wind up inquisitor
green loom
"Innocence proves nothing"
hollow falcon
So many heretic's here
molten swan
heresy BLAM
green loom
No that's Wind Up Commissar
patent ivy
So many heretic's here
molten swan
arctic talon
winter vessel
Felt bad for them Krieg boys in Pariah Nexus
dense salmon
i'm telling you
storm jungle
dense salmon
if they ever come up with a guard regiment that wears a morion helmet
i will start a new army that very day
arctic talon
All those imperial characters are gona die anyways in the pariah nexus
storm jungle
They never will
arctic talon
Lol
undone zodiac
I want regiment of san marco marines
dense salmon
break the system
crisp heath
You know I find it funny how power creep in the 40K universe is when compared to toher universes.,
storm jungle
All those imperial characters are gona die anyways in the pariah nexus
I forgot did the Pariah Nexus slowly kill people, never read those suppliments
crisp heath
I mean the Darktide Rejects four recently paroled meth heads are doing a much better job than team RWBY, four ladies trained at a young age in a state of the art combat school and who have ACTUAL SUPER POWERS.
arctic talon
I forgot did the Pariah Nexus slowly kill people, never read those suppliments
Sucks your soul out
patent ivy
Is RWBY still going? I never watched it myself but my neighbor when I was younger did
storm jungle
Holy shit is it
patent ivy
He had a few years on me
patent ivy
Bruh
winter vessel
its in a tough spot with WB currently
winter vessel
Oum? That's old news
but no one could hold a candle to his level of fighting animations
hollow falcon
Is that show that popular?
storm jungle
sounds kinda familiar
arctic talon
Lol
storm jungle
crisp heath
I never really understood or got into it
storm jungle
same
hollow falcon
we are still kinda niche
winter vessel
they finally got Yam and Bland together after 8 volumes and incessant shipping from the community
storm jungle
I mean being niche doesnt stop your fandom from being awful
arctic talon
40k’s masses enjoy their slop
storm jungle
i say this as a 11 year long warhammer fan
💀
Loved when back in the day 40k fans went "Ew girl."
Now its 2023, and they still go "Ew girl." ❤️
crisp heath
they finally got Yam and Bland together after 8 volumes and incessant shipping f...
Yes and the only thing people remeber from that is the homophobic meme that spanwed form it.
storm jungle
Truly the most blessed timeline
dense salmon
i can say i'm a generational warhammer fan
hollow falcon
To gatekeep or not to gatekeep...
dense salmon
my dad was stationed in the UK and got into it in the 90s
winter vessel
Yes and the only thing people remeber from that is the homophobic meme that span...
Thats all they exist for at this point, and nothing else
dense salmon
then i was born and he passed the hobby on to me
patent ivy
I watched RvB back then rather than RWBY
storm jungle
good decision
crisp heath
i can say i'm a generational warhammer fan
I too am a generation fan ...I perfer the last Generation ...I miss the Beakies.
winter vessel
I watched RvB back then rather than RWBY
dense salmon
to think my dad was around to see the ultramarine dance shit
crisp heath
I too am a generation fan ...I perfer the last Generation ...I miss the Beakies.
LOL YOOO THE BEAKIES WERE DOPE LOL SAME
hollow falcon
The fact that you even have to ask this is
becoming mainstream has it downsides
dense salmon
is hilarious
storm jungle
becoming mainstream has it downsides
It really doesnt
you say this like 40k is a "pure" fandom
crisp heath
Lol fr
storm jungle
its genuinely as bad as Star Wars
arctic talon
GW is content with what they do currently anyways
storm jungle
or like any other popular IP
hollow falcon
it isnt
dense salmon
star wars is much worse
arctic talon
They don’t care to expand
crisp heath
I'd honestly say it might be worse
dense salmon
disney isn't as protective of the IP as GWis
winter vessel
star wars is much worse
when did it start for you?
crisp heath
Just cause it's older I think
patent ivy
Beakies helmet design is better imo, although the new ones definitely look cool in their own ways
crisp heath
It's had more time to fester
dense salmon
when did it start for you?
too many television shows, and the writing of the comics got very poor
arctic talon
GW is very aggressive with enforcement of making sure their stuff is accurate
It’s kind of hilarious lol
It can be absolute dogshit
hallow basin
disney isn't as protective of the IP as GWis
it's not like that made things better for sw under their reign
arctic talon
But it better be lore complaint lol
storm jungle
it isnt
- Whiny sexist/racist/fascist fans
- People that hate everything the company produces
- Fanbase that always wants to stick to the older stuff without anything new in the setting
- Fanbase that always wants new stuff but the moment it gets made then whine and then want to go back to old stuff
Star Wars and Warhammer are like brothers
crisp heath
Lol I mean when you put it like that....
storm jungle
wait I forgot the best one
- Fans that still hate the company but buy everything they produce
arctic talon
There’s some stuff that’s good
dense salmon
hammer and bolter has some genuinely cool episodes
patent ivy
Lol I mean when you put it like that....
Honestly 🤣
winter vessel
too many television shows, and the writing of the comics got very poor
The dark times started for me for the Sequel Trilogy, which would be no surprise to anyone.
storm jungle
but like when 40k stans think they are superior to other sci-fi IPs its lol
hollow falcon
- Whiny sexist/racist/fascist fans
- People that hate everything the company pro...
that could apply to many other fandoms but yeah
dense salmon
i love 40k and every hobbyist i've met irl was very welcoming and taught me a lot
storm jungle
that could apply to many other fandoms but yeah
I mean yeah its still the truth
lol
dense salmon
40k fans are genuinely nice in person
crisp heath
This was my introdcution into the 40K universe.
storm jungle
40k fans are genuinely nice in person
You haven't seen our ban logs 💀
dense salmon
the internet does things to people that makes them forget how nice people can actually be
winter vessel
This was my introdcution into the 40K universe.
TTS series for me
arctic talon
They got bans from the LGS’s
winter vessel
which was...2020?
hollow falcon
but like when 40k stans think they are superior to other sci-fi IPs its lol
cant deny that i love those crossovers where w40k curbstomps everything to ground
storm jungle
cant deny that i love those crossovers where w40k curbstomps everything to groun...
Except that when they dont lol
storm jungle
That moment when people forget a normal wimply Star Trek crewman has a phaser that can insta kill a space marine
Or how Daleks from Doctor who literal trash-cans can wipe out the entirety of the Imperium
💀
crisp heath
Here's my thing with star wars. Any one movie can be criticized, but played through chronologically is one of the greatest cinematic experiences of all time. Going through the rise and fall, it's like an old greek tale unfolding before your eyes. I think people get way to wound up in the hate to enjoy stuff sometimes
storm jungle
Here's my thing with star wars. Any one movie can be criticized, but played thro...
Star Wars entirely suffers from being eaten up by Disney yeah
Im just glad we got shit like Andor
absolute peak sci-fi
dense salmon
i didn't really enjoy mandalorian
dense salmon
yeah i've seen andor
crisp heath
>That moment when people forget a normal wimply Star Trek crewman has a phaser t...
Unless that crewman is wearing red then he would die to a strong breeze.
storm jungle
Unless that crewman is wearing red then he would die to a strong breeze.
Him and the guardsman hes fighting will just drop dead without any explanation
dense salmon
in the entire show
winter vessel
Im just glad we got shit like Andor
it was one of the few exceptions post movies. I love more focus on the world of Star Wars and not just robed warriors
marsh berry
But Star Trek crew always set phasers to stun
storm jungle
it was one of the few exceptions post movies. I love more focus on the world of ...
I LOVE how every show about a major character was bad.
But then you get a show about Cassian fucking Andor and it turns out to be peak Star Wars that everyone loved.
"I can't swim."
dense salmon
i used to call myself a star wars fan, but with all the new content i don't really enjoy i can't say that i am
i'm more a fan of the original and prequel trilogies
green loom
40k fans are genuinely nice in person
The very loud bad ones never go out in person is why
dense salmon
i like a lot of the original EU stuff too
crisp heath
See... I just wish we got George Lucas's plans for the universe instead of Disney. I dirt necessarily mind either, but I like how he wanted to expand more on the midicjlorians and the actual way everything worked in star wars, the actual world building
green loom
I'd know, I'm one and I never go out
winter vessel
i didn't really enjoy mandalorian
I only liked because of the culture. and the minor references to their Language and alphabet, Mando'a. Been a fan since their big involvement in Old Republic
storm jungle
See... I just wish we got George Lucas's plans for the universe instead of Disne...
Lucas deffo got tired of the fanbase
and just went "fuck it i dont care"
crisp heath
THey could make SW Ahsoka 1000% better by just adding this guy.
green loom
Also Ngl
crisp heath
I agree honestly @storm jungle
green loom
The EU Is
storm jungle
Starkiller my beloved
green loom
Hit or miss
dense salmon
THey could make SW Ahsoka 1000% better by just adding this guy.
the VA voiced the mordred guy in ahsoka
dense salmon
yeah
storm jungle
I agree honestly <@166943308231344128>
He was pretty much the only winner, now he sits and enjoys retirement while checks land in his palm lol
green loom
iirc
winter vessel
THey could make SW Ahsoka 1000% better by just adding this guy.
he brought that Star Destroyer DOWN. as in DOWN in that game
patent ivy
Not a big fan of Disney Star Wars, but there are definitely some diamonds in the rough from em
storm jungle
100%
green loom
I love Disney ship designs ngl
dense salmon
disney star wars lacks soul
storm jungle
actually wait does lucas still make money from star wars
dense salmon
is my biggest criticism
storm jungle
i gotta check brb
dense salmon
it's like
green loom
Save for the huge ships
crisp heath
I'm not 100 percent sure honestly
dense salmon
but they can't capture the soul of it
green loom
But I really like stuff like the Raddus and the random tiny corvettes
storm jungle
Here it is
crisp heath
But I'd think he'd keep some royalties
storm jungle
Yeah there it is
green loom
I'm a certified tiny ship enjoyer
dense salmon
Here it is
i'm pretty sure he does get royalties from anything involving clone wars
crisp heath
dense salmon
so bad batch was probably a payout for him
storm jungle
i'm pretty sure he does get royalties from anything involving clone wars
Yeee its weird
patent ivy
Yeah I was gonna say, Lucas was paid to f off from the IP originally
But I mean, with that amount of money he made
storm jungle
Good for him i guess
crisp heath
Huh, but that specifies newer movies. I bet he still makes royals off his he made
winter vessel
Most of my childhood was experienced through the Clone Wars series. But I was happy Filoni finished his work with S7. I remember watching the cut rough animations and thought "If only he could finish it" when I was a kid
storm jungle
Same
Clone Wars is literally like
40k with a Star Wars paintjob
its violent as FUCK
winter vessel
its violent as FUCK
Umbara Arc was heavy
storm jungle
Umbara Arc was heavy
The golden rule, as long as you don't show blood you can show anything 💀
dense salmon
you know what i always wondered
patent ivy
Yeah I wish it was a little more graphic in terms of when people got wounded
green loom
Just wish Filoni wasn't a hack
dense salmon
do catachans have an american accent?
winter vessel
The golden rule, as long as you don't show blood you can show anything 💀
gets vaporized
crisp heath
I believe it was closer to Scottish/British
green loom
Dude I can't explain it
storm jungle
gets vaporized
Gets shot by a droid and has a gaping hole in his chest
dense salmon
there was an episode of clone wars where they set geonosians on fire
green loom
But hearing americans in warhammer stuff weirds me out
winter vessel
there was an episode of clone wars where they set geonosians on fire
I love how they called the Second assault on Geonosis D-day for CW. and the Umbara War as Vietnam
storm jungle
I love how they called the Second assault on Geonosis D-day for CW. and the Umba...
"Good thing those bugs cant aim."
FUCKING EXPLODES
crisp heath
Clone Wars is literally like
Actually it was a lot more brutal I mean in clone wars they heavily nerfed this guy.
winter vessel
"Good thing those bugs cant aim."
I was really digging the 212th recon's ARF trooper design, love the desert pattern look
dense salmon
Actually it was a lot more brutal I mean in clone wars they heavily nerfed this ...
clone wars cartoon grievous had that dog in him
storm jungle
Grievous had NO chill
green loom
dense salmon
it's perfectly in-line with the lore, making a jedi feel fear heavily disconnects them from the force
no force = no precognition
winter vessel
But I was more of a 327th Star Corps fan so it was sad I only got to see a little of Commander Bly and Secura
dense salmon
he combines this with being able to strike like
4 dozen times in one SECOND
if he uses all 4 arms
patent ivy
https://vxtwitter.com/Hugo_Llera/status/1712870532704546827?t=8Z_RpmLauvEiRxAqJ7...
You draw this?
storm jungle
He got nerfed bad
patent ivy
Animate
dense salmon
to completely mentally overwhelm jedi
patent ivy
Bah
green loom
Very epic
crisp heath
Then there is this guy.
winter vessel
But it's Tartakovsky style 40k
Oh Tartakovsky's Clone Wars was great
winter vessel
Then there is this guy.
YEAH
dense salmon
ARC troopers are nuts
patent ivy
True
dense salmon
personally trained by jango fett
crisp heath
Then there is this guy.
🤣 just giving hate for no reason
I would love to see Tarakvosky take 40k.
Man I miss that show
dense salmon
I would love to see Tarakvosky take 40k.
that will be $10 a month
winter vessel
personally trained by jango fett
Was more of a fan of the Cuy Val Dar who trained the Clone Commandos
patent ivy
Anyone picking up that game?
dense salmon
if i could watch the latest hammer and bolter episodes without paying i would
green loom
What game
dense salmon
i should give it a try
storm jungle
It has a lot of good reviews
green loom
They got the og VA for robocop right?
storm jungle
Its jank but fun apparently
crisp heath
Anyone picking up that game?
I am also this is basicvlaly Mecanicus vs Dark Mecanicus.
winter vessel
if i could watch the latest hammer and bolter episodes without paying i would
I was lucky enough that a brave soul risked his channel to post the Entire Angels of Death animation on youtube.
crisp heath
Smasher right?
Yup.
dense salmon
I am also this is basicvlaly Mecanicus vs Dark Mecanicus.
"Dead or alive, you're coming with me." "WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU?"
crisp heath
"Dead or alive, you're coming with me." "WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU?"
This is the whole comic.
patent ivy
Damn
dense salmon
cyberpunk 2077 had good writing but i do have one complaint
they made adam smasher way too erudite and verbose
in tabtletop he is a meathead psycho
patent ivy
Only thing stopping me from picking up other games right now is selvedge denim
crisp heath
cyberpunk 2077 had good writing but i do have one complaint
I think they made him too easy in the game.
patent ivy
I never played CP tt, but for what the game was worth I enjoyed it
Only buddies I had that played tt games did DnD
winter vessel
Only thing stopping me from picking up other games right now is selvedge denim
Saving money to get Space Marine 2
crisp heath
I wish I could play Space marines 1 but I cant get it on the x box store.
patent ivy
And we played some weird DnD cuz we used one of their dad's 1E and ADnD books and 5E
winter vessel
I never played CP tt, but for what the game was worth I enjoyed it
CP TT. is that also Cyberpunk Red?
patent ivy
Saving money to get Space Marine 2
Isn't there no solid release date for it yet?
patent ivy
CP TT. is that also Cyberpunk Red?
Yes
patent ivy
I think there might be another
arctic talon
Way worse
patent ivy
Yeah okay so there was another
arctic talon
There’s Shadowrun
winter vessel
Isn't there no solid release date for it yet?
it just says 2023. but from the shit lay off issue with Bungie and the MWIII DLC being hot trash for $70, Space Marine 2 will be the only game I'm probably gonna get
arctic talon
If you want cyberpunk with fantasy races
And fantasy stuff
But it’s notoriously crunch heavy
patent ivy
it just says 2023. but from the shit lay off issue with Bungie and the MWIII DLC...
Gotcha
arctic talon
As in you spend all session rolling for explosion results
patent ivy
Gaming is not that fun for me anymore
arctic talon
And use a spreadsheet lol
patent ivy
Yet I still spend money on new games 😢
crisp heath
I do like this game though.
winter vessel
Yes
Man, I wish I had people to play with for "Red". I've never played it, but I'd like to. Just don't have any friends who are well into Cyberpunk outside of 2077
green loom
Just ping the Twink psyker guy in the fan art channel, he'll probably happily explain shadowrun
patent ivy
As in you spend all session rolling for explosion results
😵💫
Twink Psyker?
That his username
green loom
No
patent ivy
Man, I wish I had people to play with for "Red". I've never played it, but I'd ...
Yeah I feel you. I also did a short stint of SW5E with another group of friends and that was fun
If you got buddies who are into SW
arctic talon
Pathfinder 2e
patent ivy
All resources are online and free last time I played (4 years ago)
arctic talon
My beloved
green loom
I'm the least nerdy person here
dense salmon
citation needed
patent ivy
Curious
crisp heath
Then there is captain Laserhawk AKA the series that was created when someone played a bunch of ubisoft games on Acid.
arctic talon
Except I also lift
dense salmon
i'm cyber
arctic talon
Comp sci
dense salmon
Except I also lift
SAME
arctic talon
I hate myself
patent ivy
Dude I used to geek out to SW lore but I've really pulled back from all that for the past 2 years
patent ivy
Interact with it so little I forgot so much
arctic talon
got my degree a few months ago
Congrats
green loom
I'm a linguistics shut in
patent ivy
got my degree a few months ago
Dope, where from?
patent ivy
I'm a......Business Major
dense salmon
I'm a linguistics shut in
i love linguistics. if i didn't study cyber, i would have studied linguistics and english
patent ivy
university of maryland
Ah dope my friend's sister goes there I think
green loom
<@208317032729542656> all love brother
I've played two sessions of ttrps 
Almost no wargames
I've read a grand totalle of 3 hamwarmer books
dense salmon
gonna play darktide while watching one of the animated barbie movies with my girlfriend
i'm in for a massive mindfuck
patent ivy
How long was the Cyber degree?
dense salmon
How long was the Cyber degree?
3 years. could have done it faster if i didn't switch majors
green loom
I watched fkn
patent ivy
Gotcha
patent ivy
Funky substance you say...
green loom
and La Haine
patent ivy
Top movie?
green loom
Weirdly I had sleep paralysis when this happened
green loom
Top movie?
I liked La Haine a lot
patent ivy
That's your #1?
green loom
Eyes wide shut confused me, clockwork orange was nice
dense salmon
for a movie that will make you feel like you're on drugs without taking them, try La Planete Sauvage
green loom
The Ball room scene felt like it lasted an hour
patent ivy
Maybe I'll give those movies a try
I tried clockwork orange, I turned it off after 30 mins
dense salmon
kubrick films are all slow burns
patent ivy
Ended up listening to an analysis of it instead the other day
patent ivy
Is this server a mostly EU or US based one?
dense salmon
fatshark is swedish if that helps
green loom
Big enough that I can't discern
patent ivy
Hahah
green loom
But early EU is typically quiet
patent ivy
Man I don't really know what my top film is
green loom
So like 4-5 hours from now
patent ivy
I'm a sucker for those old comedy films
I like the more serious ones too though
Life of Brian is top 5 for me
dense salmon
i read more than i watch films nowadays
i do enjoy film a lot though
i recently picked up "No Longer Human"
finished blood meridian a few weeks ago
dense salmon
i enjoy a lot of renaissance philosophers
my favorite is mirandola
orations on the dignity of man
i was introduced to it by one of my college professors
and it stuck with me
patent ivy
Not all to knowledgeable on those guys, so I cannot relate
crisp heath
I actually enjoy Grimdark shit I mean look at my PFP
patent ivy
I thought that was Batman Beyond for a second
lapis wadi
Was anyone questioning that?
crisp heath
I thought that was Batman Beyond for a second
Nope I just like Spiderman and HATE PAUL!
patent ivy
Ah, Paul from the Beatles!
lapis wadi
I thought it was an alright movie
cyan veldt
Ah, Paul from the Beatles!
The Walrus Rises
crisp heath
Do the sisters of battle have a traitor legion
green loom
Nop
crisp heath
Makes sense
stray bluff
Who else are 100% non traitor?
green loom
They aren't 100% non traitor tbf
winged jacinth
The grey knights are generally incorruptible i think
Also presumably the sisters of silence
Speaking of the sisters why isnt there a like... black ships level program trying to find nulls
crisp heath
They aren't incorruptible I believe. The sisters anyway. They just deal with their traitors.
winged jacinth
They're pretty darn useful
I feel like the grey knights being nulls instead of psykers would have been better tbh
green loom
Speaking of the sisters why isnt there a like... black ships level program tryin...
They more or less do have one
It's just that most blanks fkn die
crisp heath
@winged jacinth I think they had to be psychers instead of nulls for them to do what they do. Prolonged exposure to the warp burns out blanks
They end up becoming normal
winged jacinth
Grey knights are already immune to chaos taint GW can do whatever rule bending for the mary sue chapter
lapis wadi
With the sheer amount of anti-chaos stuff they do and have and the Ordo Hereticus Inquisitors with them at every step
There just isn't really a gap in their armor to exploit
Give another Chapter that level of support and I doubt you'd get any corrupted members
Also their numbers aren't that high, so it's all concentrated on a few astartes
Whereas there are so many minor Orders of Sisters
dense salmon
i think one cool feature darktide could have had is a "clean weapon" button like killing floor 2
lapis wadi
Ogryn spits on it and rubs the melee weapon with his sleeve
echo vault
New ogryn throwable a sponge
lapis wadi
Except there's a chance for them to go "(cough) oh.. damn I inhaled that vapor"
Veteran wipes it down with a cloth
Zealot just kinda smears it around with their hand
BLOOD FOR THE EMPEROR
patent ivy
I just learned an hour ago there's an inspect key
lapis wadi
Trying to wipe down a power weapon just has them shock themselves
lapis wadi
Also huh Psyker's the only one without a power weapon. But they have force weapons so it evens out.
crisp heath
"Woops there goes a finger"
lapis wadi
Ogryn doesn't have access to chain though and that's sad
crisp heath
Lol ireally think they should get a full size Boltor and chainfist
crisp heath
Lol I mean, I really just see them adding that to the guns in game... I forget what their called but the ogryn pistol things
They'll just add a chain to the bayonet on them
lapis wadi
Ripper guns?
lapis wadi
They're kinda a 2-hand shotgun but like the closest thing ogryn get to a pistol in the standard wargear lists I think
lapis wadi
Ogryn really don't get much options in-canon tbh
Probably a big reason their in-game list is so lacking
crisp heath
Yea the ripper guns
They have the bayonet fronts
Easily could be outfitted with chain weaponry imo
lapis wadi
You get ripper guns.
Sticks to hit things with.
And that's about it.
crisp heath
Well I prefer the Blastoom gauntlet
dense salmon
ogryn weapons are generally designed to be durable and dangerous in melee because ogryn will tend to just smack enemies with whatever they're holding if they run out of ammo
crisp heath
Grenade punches are dope
lapis wadi
Like.. there's a sort of autocannon they can use we're missing
But I think that's it
Anything else will be a Darktide original
crisp heath
But like, is there a reason they cant use Space marine weapons? Like I know they aren't quiet as strong but they can't be far behind right? Just in pure strength terms
Idk honestly
Like a lore reason I guess
lapis wadi
Would you give a state of the art gyrojet firing highly expensive hand-crafted weapon
To a toddler
Would it change things if the toddler could lift and fire it
lapis wadi
Nothing physically stopping them
crisp heath
Because a blastor breaks a normal humans shoulder in a single shot
lapis wadi
The ogryn would break it more likely, and canon ogryn do not understand voluntary burst fire and have to have their weapons hard-limited
It really, really, really is as simple as Ogryn are too goddamn stupid, and would break/lose the expensive piece of equipment
So nobody gives them bolters
dense salmon
or misfire it
crisp heath
Ahh, so it's more the guns aren't built with ogryn brute in mind, they're more delicate for the SMs
dense salmon
ogryn guns doubling as melee weapons is nearly a necessity
because they will asbolutely smash it across someone's face
lapis wadi
There is literally a keyword "ogryn-proof" in the tabletop wargear lists for the few items Ogryn can use without auto-breaking it
crisp heath
Lol that's actually awesome. I'm not the most versed in tabletop so I actually love that lol
lapis wadi
Similar reason why nobody gives them power armor
Although that's more a training issue I think
dense salmon
ogryn are pretty tough nuts without it anyhow
crisp heath
I gotcha. I was just curious cause I was like, they definitely have to be strong enough at least right? Lolol
dense salmon
i would grab my codex and tell you their hitpoints if i could be bothered
but they're tough cookies
lapis wadi
Yeah, they're cheap, that's also kinda the point. Why bother giving them the superguns when you can get 5 with still-pretty-good guns for the same price
..in-universe price I have no idea what their wargaming pointbuy is
crisp heath
Lol, ngl though, with all this said, I still want my space marine weapons to be given to ogryn in game. Would be dope, if not lore inaccurate
dense salmon
an ogryn bonehead might be trusted with some more fancy wargear
boneheads are augmented to be somewhat intelligent
lapis wadi
Oh, we are missing one more wepaon according to the armory
2-handed melee.
You can give them a really big hammer
dense salmon
as slow-witted as the ogryn in darktide might seem
they genuinely have to be boneheads with the shit they say
lapis wadi
Darktide Ogryn are actually pretty damn smart
dense salmon
your average ogryn can't even tell you what he did that day in the order he did them
lapis wadi
Like, kinda geniuses
crisp heath
They some smart big boys
dense salmon
they are too stupid to understand linear time
lapis wadi
Counting to 4 was a real achievement
crisp heath
Even the one who's brain is melting lol