It`s time to hijack it and control your thoughts as Ethereal want
#40k-lore-chat
normal light
radiant lance
Apparently the morningstar is a modified firestorm too
And the firestorm is a modified sword
median marsh
How many people could you cram onto a ship that size
Considering the extremely high attrition rate
radiant lance
Nah they all died on tertium
median marsh
A lot of our forces are also stationed on the planet, waging war
queen laurel
A lot of our forces are also stationed on the planet, waging war
Yeah even though we do have a good portion of our forces on our ship I'm pretty sure a majority of them would be on the planet
celest dome
7 day only
median marsh
Morrow is in constant need of new recruits, all the time
last sequoia
Acceptable
marsh berry
Acceptable losses
last sequoia
It's just the moebian 6th were fighting right?
crisp heath
Hey I just want to point out that Imperial ships almost certainly have their own atmosphere because they generate gravity in their plating to keep the crew from floating off
last sequoia
Wonder why others regiments aren't being called in
crisp heath
Which means you can roll down a window in a cruiser and smoke a cigarette
celest dome
It's just the moebian 6th were fighting right?
Scab are Moebian 6th, Dreg are Admonition cult
celest dome
Wonder why others regiments aren't being called in
Nobody answered the call
queen laurel
Which means you can roll down a window in a cruiser and smoke a cigarette
i-
I'm just going to apply Ork Logic to that
last sequoia
Which means you can roll down a window in a cruiser and smoke a cigarette
Doesn't that only apply to the Gloriana class ships?
Since they're so big?
crisp heath
Doesn't that only apply to the Gloriana class ships?
Pretty much every Imperial Ship has earth-like gravity
median marsh
Wonder why others regiments aren't being called in
Imperium currently is actively being ravaged from all sides, not enough people to spare
plain trench
I can imagine some tech priest will find a coveted stc template after a huge war of attrition over a hundred plus years for it to only be a coffee maker 🥹
last sequoia
i-
I'm just going to apply Ork Logic to that
Me: opens a window on the ship
Everyone else:
crisp heath
Basically there are gravity plates in the floor of ship that pull things down, including air. If you turn the plate upside down, that's how they make hover vehicles
The orks don't have shit on the technological genius of the Imperium
queen laurel
The orks don't have shit on the technological genius of the Imperium
Of course they don't I can literally make a slugga by grabbing a duct tape and some nails and just sticking together some scrap metal into the shape of a gun
I mean adding some extra components like some other garbage mechanical bits but it works
radiant lance
Their technology is just highly efficient
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic
storm jungle
Nah thats necrons
Ork meks can actually make junk that works somewhat, its their entire job. The Waaaghfield just holds it together like tape
queen laurel
Ork meks can actually make junk that works somewhat, its their entire job. The W...
Yeah it has the components to get it going but it's missing basically the things that you need to stabilize it and not explode
queen laurel
if orks could just make any junk work they wouldn't need Meks
what's the point of paying for a mechanic if I can pick up a log and turn that thing into a laser cannon by adding extra junk to it
crisp heath
It's really not as easy as that
The collected junk can't be viewed as junk
It has to be literally believed it is a gun
queen laurel
Yeah that's why a lot of the technologies sometimes don't explode because the mek told them it works because it works like Bethesda games
But ork technology is probably more stable than a Bethesda game
storm jungle
It has to be literally believed it is a gun
No it just has to be built and function as a gun.
Orks dont make belief into reality
lean crypt
In the Grim Darkness of the 41st Millennium, there is only .45ACP
queen laurel
You can use it if you can actually add the missing components
storm jungle
In the Grim Darkness of the 41st Millennium, there is only .45ACP
The Emperor Knows
crisp heath
As far as I was aware it was collected belief that worked it. A single orc couldn't look at a two sticks and some duck tape and think it's a gun. Convince 50 orcs it is though, and it'll suddenly fire bullets
radiant lance
The orks are just playing a really intensive game of make-believe
storm jungle
As far as I was aware it was collected belief that worked it. A single orc could...
That has never been the case
queen laurel
the biggest example is Cmmmissar Yarrick
storm jungle
thats just memes
queen laurel
that's a meme
storm jungle
If that was a thing an entire ork Waaagh could just think up of shit on the spot and it would pop out of think air.
which is you know, not the case
crisp heath
Like I said, just as far as I was aware. I could be wrong
It's more like if you give one ork hanging out with about 10,000 of his best friends a gun that jams and it probably won't jam for him
lean crypt
`The Emperor Knows`
It makes me giggle that the M1911 is in 40k. Like, imagine you and your Guardsman buddies have a dinky little Laspistol and your Commissar has a blinged out M1911.
queen laurel
If that was a thing an entire ork Waaagh could just think up of shit on the spot...
For orks to pull something like that it would require an unbelievable Ork waaagh Energy output
storm jungle
It's more like if you give one ork hanging out with about 10,000 of his best fri...
^
The Waaghfield is psychic duct-tape, its not a reality-warper
crisp heath
Ork tech works when it's "broken" in the same way you can shake a broken laptop to make the screen come back on
queen laurel
which at that point it it's a setting ending event
crisp heath
But if a weirdboy gets involved all bets are off
queen laurel
If you need orks to break reality you have bigger problems you
crisp heath
Weirdboys make every other species psykers seem well-adjusted
queen laurel
Weirdboys make every other species psykers seem well-adjusted
They get the easiest power boost but their powers are the most volatile
pretty sure they have the highest case of friendly fire
crisp heath
Quick question, didn't they kinda do that once with that proto Krork? Like with the flying meteor skull thing. I'm not super up to date on orc stuff unfortunately... but I remember something like that
queen laurel
Quick question, didn't they kinda do that once with that proto Krork? Like with ...
ohh the beast
crisp heath
Like make some Uber crazy shit
queen laurel
yeah that guy was a monster
By estimation it was at least ten meters tall
And there were multiple of them
crisp heath
People really sleep on the real power of the waaagh field tho
Which is that it activates knowledge that's stored in ork DNA
Right but during that time, weren't their ability to like, alter reality in their own way heightened? And that was why they were able to build and do the things they were in that wargh?
So mekboys build bigger and better stuff, mad doks might not accidentally remove your kidney, and Talker exists for some reason
storm jungle
Like make some Uber crazy shit
They made literal Attack-Moons
crisp heath
My point lol
storm jungle
but again the Waagh doesnt work that way
it just allows orks to make bigger and stronger tech
hence the gorkanauts etc
queen laurel
People really sleep on the real power of the waaagh field tho
a good chunk of people underestimate orks, like they want them to be included on dark tide as enemies
like even feral orks are capable of making dangerous machinery, this one for example is a literal gargant powered by steam
crisp heath
Lol being real though, it'd be dope to have more factions to fight and have interfight in darktide. Really hope the hype on genestealers coming is correct
I like it when the orks are way smarter than they should be. Ghazghkull Thraka is a great book for that.
Engine of Mork
plush mason
think Krorks could ever come back?
crisp heath
Yes and no
queen laurel
I like it when the orks are way smarter than they should be. Ghazghkull Thraka i...
do you know what makes him even more interesting?
Ghaz Comes from a clan that are not known for their intelligence
median marsh
Trazyn has one but nah
hazy rock
trazyn does have a krork
crisp heath
If the one that Trayzn has locked up escapes, maybe
plush mason
gtg
crisp heath
We'd only get an ork in 40k if they want to scale up Ghaz's power at some point, but that's really unlikely
Because krork and orks are mushrooms that reproduce asexually
queen laurel
think Krorks could ever come back?
yes they can but the environment you would need to grow an ork into a Krork doesn't seem to exist yet
crisp heath
do you know what makes him even more interesting?
Ghaz Comes from a clan that a...
I mean I'm pretty sure the implication is that he's the reincarnation of The Beast (or one of them, at least)
But again, if the single Krork escapes, there will inevitably be more krorks.
There was a Beast for each clan
They would make a comeback in that instance
and the Goff was the leader
queen laurel
We'd only get an ork in 40k if they want to scale up Ghaz's power at some point,...
Ghaz is definitely closing on to the power level of the beast though
after all he is currently the biggest ork in the setting
crisp heath
But the beast wasn't a full blown Krork
He was a proto Krork.
I think the implication is supposed to be The War of the Beast is when Orks started having clans in the first place
queen laurel
But the beast wasn't a full blown Krork
yeah just a semi-Krork
crisp heath
Like if I remember right, he was still much, much less powerful in just about every way. Krorks were absolutely terrifying
I really, really want more Ullanor/Armageddon lore tbh. Horus Heresy novels just told us that orks were already there when the Imperium rolled up, I really want to know exactly why orks keep coming back to it.
storm jungle
But again, if the single Krork escapes, there will inevitably be more krorks.
Orks all need to invidiually grow to reach that kind of size, if its just a single Krork leading a bunch of Orks you can eliminate that kind of threat with some losses.
The issue is when theres multiple Krorks, which there aren't if any at all in the setting currently.
The orks are too destructive lifestyle wise and die too much to ever reach that zenith again.
Ghaz literally gets decapitated by a dumb space marine character 💀
queen laurel
Orks all need to invidiually grow to reach that kind of size, if its just a sing...
Yeah so if an ork can survive at that state you know damn well you're messing with something you'd need a lot of your luck with
I do not want to imagine how the beast became the beast
What type of enemy that ork had to fight to reach that state
crisp heath
This i agree with. But if that single Kork escapes, and surives for a small amount time, more Krorks will form. As more and more form, evolution will win out, and orks will die out as Krork are more physically fit. Evolution will go in reverse.
storm jungle
I love the Beast Series, nothing is explained and everything is stupid.
As all Warhammer writing should be
the amount of fans that also hate the series is genuinely hilarious
queen laurel
Ghaz literally gets decapitated by a dumb space marine character 💀
I mean Mad dok groznik can just rip apart some other orks and build him a new bionicle body
crisp heath
But you also have to realize, Krork fought full C'tan, not just the shards we have now. There were Eldar gods at full power just on the loose back then. Necrons were at full strength with all their toys.
The power scale here is so far beyond the setting rn
normal light
I mean Mad dok groznik can just rip apart some other orks and build him a new bi...
Bionicle, like Lego? 
crisp heath
I could see one krork showing up as part of Gaz's story
queen laurel
Bionicle, like Lego? <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
yeah there was literally an ork painboy that, quote UN quote, take a little bit off the top of his war boss every surgery
causing him to gain size because he would add the pieces he took
When the warboss realise the dok was already way too big and overpowered the poor runt
crisp heath
But one Krork means multiple Krork due to how the breed
Krork spores would probably just make a normal ork
Orks are like, baby krorks
No... they wouldnt...
And no they arent...
queen laurel
Krork spores would probably just make a normal ork
yeah, orks need to grow individually
crisp heath
They just die before they reach their full size these days because they go to war with each other
celest dome
Orkoid Spores don't replicate what they were
crisp heath
But they would create the same species.... kork and orks aren't the same species... that's like a dinosaur and a bird. They are evolutionary linked, but not the same
queen laurel
They just die before they reach their full size these days because they go to wa...
yeah, their casualty rates keeps a krork from just emerging from somewhere
storm jungle
They are the same species
crisp heath
They're the same species
storm jungle
they literally de-evolved into orks
queen laurel
yeah
crisp heath
So, not the same species. if they de evolved, they are a new species... that's how biology works...
The grots and snotlings and squigs are technically different species and won't turn into orks, but orks and krorks are the same
queen laurel
And orks get bigger by combat
the Krorks basically had to fight admins so that's why they devolved
Because those weren't good fights
median marsh
You're trying to bring real life biology to a world where mushrooms turn into basically goblins
queen laurel
elder aren't really you know the most honourable opponents
celest dome
they literally de-evolved into orks
I could see them argue that birds are dino deevolution
But for Orks they are the same spores for every orkoid
queen laurel
orks are literally engineered by the old ones
crisp heath
The reason krorks kept turning up during the war in heaven is because they could work together to not die young, and the fights were big enough they could keep growing
queen laurel
So they don't even have a semblance of evolution
celest dome
The grots and snotlings and squigs are technically different species and won't t...
But their spores can develop orks
storm jungle
So, not the same species. if they de evolved, they are a new species... that's h...
We are talking about Space Mushroom Orcs here, I don't think biology matters
They are the same species, an ork can grow into a Krork given enough time/war
crisp heath
De evolution is a terrible word. It's just evolution. We see traits we like gone and think that's bad. But obviously the orcs are suvivng and thriving, so ts not a devolution
storm jungle
Same thing
crisp heath
It's just evolution
storm jungle
they de-evolved
celest dome
Basically:
Spores -> Mushroom ->Orks/Grots/Squig/Krork->Die->Spores
storm jungle
^
queen laurel
We are talking about Space Mushroom Orcs here, I don't think biology matters
yeah even the squigs come from ork spores
crisp heath
Orks are just krorks who became obsessed with electrolytes (it's what shrooms crave)
storm jungle
I dont think anyone here cares too much about specific scientific classification
Orks go Big
Big Ork to Krork
👩🔬
viral halo
Are you telling me orks aren’t real?
celest dome
The only thing that decide if there will be Orks, grots and stuff is if there is enough local waagh energy
crisp heath
Honestly orks, squigs, and edible fungus all coming from the same spore is probably the least science fantasy thing about orks. Things like that exist irl.
It's just more boring, so you get fungus with like 6,000 possible reproductive genders that look kind of weird next to each other
As far as I know none of them punch things to get big
storm jungle
For now at least
crisp heath
Eels are another fun one. Different stages of the eel life cycle look so different that we didn't realize they were the same animal until like the 1850s lmao
Not really... that'd be like one mushroom letting out spores, and each one of those spores has a categorical chance to turn nto any number of other species. In this case at least four. Wholly diverse, different species. Genders don't change your species designation. That'd be like planting an apple seed and getting oranges. It's just not how anything has ever worked ever. But I really haven dg deep into ork lore, this is just me trying to make rationalizations where there probably snt any rationale lol
We still don't know how eels mate exactly, because apparently they all migrate to the same place at the same time, but no one has ever seen an eel migration
crisp heath
We saw an eel in the spawning ground for the first time just a few years ago, actually
I need to repeat that
Every eel in the world is in one place at one time and no one ever saw it
we found ONE eel there a few years ago
Yea. Scientists for a while thought 4 types of eels were separate species, only to find out they where just different age groups of the same one
I honestly feel like if we pry too deep into their slithery, slimy secrets we will open up a door to the outer dark
best to leave the snake fish to their dark machinations and pray we will be spared
Lol to add to that bit of nervousness, we know more about outerspace than we do about are oceans by a wide margin
Maybe you do
All I know about space is that there's nothing out there
But I know there are lots of things in the water, and I can even name some of them
storm jungle
https://tenor.com/view/one-shot-mushroom-mushroom-oneshot-darksouls-gif-19520559
This is how I feel about this entire convo
marsh berry
I have no idea what you're even talking about besides punching mushrooms
I just hopped on Discord
lapis wadi
If only humanity could figure out a way to direct ork spore growth
Might be able to farm eatin' squigs
marsh berry
Do young Orks look like baby Orks or just smaller Orks or mushrooms
lapis wadi
As it is, you'll get everything from eating squigs to gretchin to orkboys in your mushroom farm
crisp heath
Orks pop out of the ground looking like they do in the games and book covers
marsh berry
Oh neat
crisp heath
@marsh berry
Before that there's like a weird mushroom fetus thing
Yeah that thing
marsh berry
Ewwww
crisp heath
Just a guy down there
Going off this handy image, I believe they come out fully formed
queen laurel
Do young Orks look like baby Orks or just smaller Orks or mushrooms
Yoofz basically just look like tiny orcs
lapis wadi
I wonder if any orks bury themselves for a nap cause its comfy for them
lapis wadi
My balance is negative
crisp heath
I want the old lore where the snotlings and the Old Ones were the same to come back because I just love the idea of a bunch of mean as hell little napoleons telling the necrons to piss off
Yea, them days past long ago
tulip brook
not enough dakka
queen laurel
You don't really see orks with plasma do you
This is the equivalent you can get
a Kustom Mega Blasta
but of course it's you know unreliable and pretty prone to exploding
crisp heath
New question! What's everyone's favorite, most badass moment in the lore, or when they felt their favorite character was op or superpowerful?
I don't think orks really need plasma considering they have several weapons that just throw the Warp itself at you
Plasma is lame next to that
marsh berry
Oh I think I've got some of those bits but didn't know what they were
lapis wadi
I guess also plasma lends itself to precise shots
queen laurel
I don't think orks really need plasma considering they have several weapons that...
shokk attack guns literally teleport snotlings directly to your rib cage
tulip brook
New question! What's everyone's favorite, most badass moment in the lore, or whe...
‘You have been a good and faithful servant, Koloma.’
‘And you a good master, lord. My treatments. The hab-block close to the library. My children educated in the good scholams. An ash box in the Garden of Remembrance for my dear Morea. I owe you much.’
Trazyn waved a hand, as if dismissing the aid. ‘Rewards are the fundamental mechanism of good leadership. Any master would do the same.’
‘My daylight masters in the Serenade Central Librarium did not.’
lapis wadi
Asking an ork for pinpoint, high impact shots at a measured pace isn't really their thing
I WANT TO OVERCHARGE
I WANT TO DAKKA
queen laurel
Asking an ork for pinpoint, high impact shots at a measured pace isn't really th...
Even their sniper rifle is belt fed
lapis wadi
New question! What's everyone's favorite, most badass moment in the lore, or whe...
Nothing immediate comes to mind so ill go with good ol Rylanor
crisp heath
@tulip brook definitely badass, @lapis wadi and nothing wrong with that. Rylanor goes hard
lapis wadi
I feel its kinda a basic answer but like... he does go hard
crisp heath
I'm honestly so mad that the deathmark is the worst sniper in the game
Why do orks get better snipers than necrons
lapis wadi
Lmao what
crisp heath
I feel its kinda a basic answer but like... he does go hard
Lol maybe a bit, but hey, nothing wrong with it if it's true lol
lapis wadi
I don't play tabletop you have to elaborate
I just remember them in Mechanicus messing up my plans half the time and the other half teleporting in a priests line of fire
crisp heath
I don't play tabletop you have to elaborate
Deathmarks are necron snipers. Their gun is "heavy" and they don't have "silent". What this means is they can't move and shoot on the same turn, and they can't benefit from concealment.
Orks are in a similar boat, but their gun hits harder and they can take an extra shot.
Lol I don't play either, but generally when I question my homes that do, it's always either, "Gw doesn't know how to scale," or "Anything lore accurate would never be balanced"
lapis wadi
Isn't like the whole point of Deathmarks that they teleport in, snipe, and vanish before you realise what happened
marsh berry
I guess Orks are just built different
crisp heath
Yeah but it doesn't really work like that
Deathmarks only really have deep strike, and so many things have deep strike it's a bit of a meme
crisp heath
Yeah but there's no rule for that
lapis wadi
When fighting, Deathmarks reside in a pocket dimension; a hyperspace between now and then, and can from here observe the battlefield, and even tap into enemy transmissions, only to materialize and strike when they deem the opportunity to be right
And they can't be concealed?
Lmao what
crisp heath
Deep strike is basically saying you can keep them off the table during set up, and then once you start playing you can put them on the table, as long as you aren't within 9 inches of the others guys minis. That's the closest they get to teleportation or stealth
crisp heath
They have another ability that lets them shoot at someone elses minis if they deep strike them in, but that's all they got special going for them
broken zenith
spooky scary space skeletons
crisp heath
If you actually want a necron that can teleport in, shoot the place up, and get out, you want a hexmark. Which is fine, it's a cool mini, but it's not as well known as a deathmark and it isn't really a "sniper" (it has pistols, it's like a necron cowboy lmao)
I agree, that was awesome!!! I'm really looking forward to Cavill's Amazon show. We can only hope!!!!
lapis wadi
They're already dumb with putting a giant green "I AM GOING TO SHOOT YOU (SOON)" halo over their targets
queen laurel
I love the fact that ork sniper rifles are belt fed
normal light
If you actually want a necron that can teleport in, shoot the place up, and get ...
6 Big Iron`s on his hips
queen laurel
Because aiming is not really their specialty
lapis wadi
Big iiiroon.. big iron..🎵
broken zenith
big iron
crisp heath
Yeah hexmarks are cool, I'm just salty about the sniper situation
queen laurel
Big iiiroon.. big iron..🎵
I shot Benny's dead body 50 times
normal light
I shot Benny's dead body 50 times
I crucified him
normal light
He need a cowboy hat lol
crisp heath
YESSSSSS!!!! 🤣 🤣
normal light
crisp heath
And they said there wasn't a perfect mini
broken zenith
kelermorph vs hexmark wild west duel
crisp heath
Necrons also have literal robot chickens
crisp heath
queen laurel
Oh that
crisp heath
They're called cryptothralls and they basically just soak up hits for your crypteks
crisp heath
Lolol I'm dead
queen laurel
They're called cryptothralls and they basically just soak up hits for your crypt...
So basically they serve the same purpose as like the tyrant guard for a hive tyrant
crisp heath
I think I just found my new favorite thing in this universe
They're actually pretty good for making an indefeatable brick, because necrons basically focus on buffing each other
normal light
I still think cryptotech scarabs are the best swarm unit
From their rules
Because THEY FREAKING EXPLODE
crisp heath
So the cryptothralls will buff your Technomancer, who will buff your lychguard, and as long as 1 mini is still standing you can bring back some of them at the start of your next turn
I'm just imagining a humble, down to earth necron done with all the politics and dumbassery of his compatriots striking off with just him, his 6 9 irons and a couple robotic chickens named Leroy and Jenkins.
So basically you just make a unit that is basically impossible to destroy and is pretty decent in melee
crisp heath
I'm just imagining a humble, down to earth necron done with all the politics and...
Oh unfortunately hexmarks are assholes even by necron standards
broken zenith
technomancer techno union do be vibin
crisp heath
Well... dreams often die soon...
Hexmarks watch all the other necrons complain about being robots and are like "yeah, I wish I had my body back, so I could do biotransference again, this shit slaps"
and then they kill everything they see
I mean... they aren't wrong though lololol
queen laurel
Oh unfortunately hexmarks are assholes even by necron standards
I think out of all the necrons the one with the most out character for their race in terms of personality would be Trazyn
The way he speaks sometimes you wouldn't even think he's a necron
crisp heath
Lol yea, him or the og dude. Forget his name...
Zhandrekh and Obyron are literally just a retired eldery couple
The Silent King is a sad boy with a heart of gold
Necron nobles tend to have pretty diverse personalities
Honestly probably the most emotionally diverse faction, it's hard to pigeonhole them
SILENT KING!!! That!!
lapis wadi
The real reason the Necrons think as favorably of humanity as they do is because they looked around and were all "Cool skull motif you have here, I dig it"
queen laurel
Honestly probably the most emotionally diverse faction, it's hard to pigeonhole ...
Yeah which says a lot if a literal race of metal skeletons has more emotional diversity than the f****** human empire that covers the entire galaxy
crisp heath
You know, we humans really gotta stop taking other people's land then get mad when they get mad.
Imotekh is basically 40k Settra
You'd think we'd learned in 40,000 years
broken zenith
9E Necrons remind me of Quake 4 Strogg
river sequoia
Yeah which says a lot if a literal race of metal skeletons has more emotional di...
Yes and No. If you go by the total population of the necrons, the almost complete majority are braindead automatons. The named characters got some personality though Trazen is a notable exception. Most of them still share the same, we are the owners of the galaxy kneel before us or die thing going for em.
queen laurel
Yes and No. If you go by the total population of the necrons, the almost complet...
I don't mean in population size i mean in media presentation
crisp heath
Eh, I wouldn't even go that far
queen laurel
Necrons are presented most of the times with more personality than imperials
crisp heath
They all have a superiority complex, but of the named characters you can actually play, only Imotekh really thinks like that
storm jungle
They all have a superiority complex, but of the named characters you can actuall...
Yeah same, Necron lords all got their own wants and needs.
The "Everyone must die, kneel before us" is the same thing that applies to every generic side-character for every faction ala Imperium, Orks, Chaos etc
crisp heath
Zhandrekh is either insane, or the ultimate troll and is pretending to be, but he's mostly re-enacting old battles in either case. Still stuck in his glory days. Obyron just follows him around out of sheer respect and loyalty and doesn't have any big plans of his own.
river sequoia
IDK about orks, they don't want subservience, they just want a good fight.
storm jungle
I'm talking about generic representation.
queen laurel
IDK about orks, they don't want subservience, they just want a good fight.
They can be very charming
river sequoia
I'm talking about generic representation.
Fair
queen laurel
Of course yes they all these are to fight but they have their own ways to go about it and their own ways of thinking
crisp heath
Szeras is all about the pursuit of knowledge and is basically a Night Lord made of metal
queen laurel
And like every ork weapon no ork is the same
crisp heath
Anrakyr wants to rebuild the old empire though, but he's not a super lore heavy guy. I'm not gonna lie, he feels like discount Imotekh to me, and I wouldn't be surprised if that's why they made him lmao
broken zenith
Strogg are more close to servitors
I meant the aesthetics regarding the hexmarks and canoptek, like Strogg Protector
storm jungle
I meant the aesthetics regarding the hexmarks and canoptek, like Strogg Protecto...
Oh that yeah
crisp heath
Oh yeah y'all wanna know something cool about those robot chickens who soak up bullets
They're the necron equivalent of servitors :3
river sequoia
They're the necron equivalent of servitors :3
Huh on purpose, or happy accident after bio transference?
crisp heath
Except they aren't lobotomized, their brain functions completely normally. It's actually repaired to make sure they don't go insane, and then their body is twisted and rewired so that it acts against their will
Crypteks use it to punish and humiliate defeated rivals
river sequoia
awh, it is a living prison then
crisp heath
Pretty much
They also have fully functional reanimation protocols so they repair themselves when they're killed
queen laurel
Except they aren't lobotomized, their brain functions completely normally. It's ...
Ok that is definitely a lot worse than a servitor
At least with being a servitor you don't remember much because of the lobotomized brain
river sequoia
don't actually need their neural matrix to function, but when you gotta troll a rival, their a way to do it
crisp heath
Yeah I noticed they don't have the "canoptek" tag in the rules, so I looked into it. I expected it be a balance thing, but nope, it's lore
river sequoia
At least with being a servitor you don't remember much because of the lobotomize...
their been some fluff recently that servitors might be more aware then we thought. Full on Servitor rebellion on an ark mechanicus on working conditions recently
storm jungle
Thats always been the case
queen laurel
their been some fluff recently that servitors might be more aware then we though...
At least they try their best to lobotomize you
river sequoia
Granted it was an effect from a 'Machine Touched' Individual, Abraham Locke. His touch seemed to undue or reverse some of the lobomization. Very Fluffy, unsure how much more it means.
crisp heath
I just love that "I will trap you in a chicken" is a real threat necrons can make
storm jungle
Don't forget Trazyn also threatens one of his underlings to turn him into a construction-scarab
river sequoia
I will give the necrons one thing, they are very creative in being cruel
median marsh
Servitors sometimes get a botched treatment
"Can you take me with you? please? im so lonely.."
median marsh
one of the more fucked up Med servitor lines are when it goes into literal agony and begs for help
queen laurel
"Can you take me with you? please? im so lonely.."
I will literally tear them off the wall just to save them if it weren't for the fact that it will probably kill them
Man imagine their life
storm jungle
the Rogue Trader game also has a sidequest like that
||Its where you help a father repair a servitor and then by the end learn that it was his son that was unjustly servitorized and hes trying to keep him alive and in shape.||
||Its a good reminder to some morons that not every servitor is a "guilty" person and most of them are innocent people.||
crisp heath
An ogryn wandering around with a liberated medicae servitor strapped to his back, constantly stitching any wounds he recieves
queen laurel
||Its where you help a father repair a servitor and then by the end learn that i...
Sadly in the imperium loyalty is the biggest reward and it will be obtained one way or another
river sequoia
||Its where you help a father repair a servitor and then by the end learn that i...
Word, or even worse, just standing around some mechanicus at a bad time
median marsh
""justice"" in imperium is often messed up
storm jungle
lemme get that Arbites quote
median marsh
an Arbites will ignore you being literlaly murdered
queen laurel
""justice"" in imperium is often messed up
My brother in christ you can get sent to jail by complaining
storm jungle
""justice"" in imperium is often messed up
queen laurel
reminder that some people unironically want imperium to be real
Yeah watch them work 24/7 with barely any breaks in a manufactorum
river sequoia
damn, that guy going hard.
queen laurel
I would love to see that
median marsh
river sequoia
whoops
storm jungle
all filing errors!
queen laurel
<:staregryn:1022085083844325376>
Now now grandma, don't go into that hole yet
We don't have enough shotgun shells for that problem
storm jungle
river sequoia
Too bad it isn't a crime to be slow in the administratum
median marsh
Errors in administratum can be punished severely...if they ever manage to find out somehow
its more likely that your far descendants will get punished for your fuck ups if its ever discovered
one of my favorite things about it is that a random clerk can be filing paperwork and data for something that has become obsolete decades ago but the notification about it hasnt come through yet
storm jungle
Lmao
dont forget your co-workers also having actual firefights with junk/pipe-weapons over filing decisions
or using literal gardening tools to dig papers 💀
yes this is actually a thing
river sequoia
just need to get a digging ogryn
median marsh
ngl i can relate to fighting coworkers almost daily
queen laurel
dont forget your co-workers also having actual firefights with junk/pipe-weapons...
"Hey abatha where's John?"
'He got shot by Greg"
median marsh
he got buried by the mail, we still havent dug him up from under the complaints section
crisp heath
I like to imagine that one day they're going to find a crusty old parchment that say like, southwestern ethiopia or something never technically surrendered during the unification wars so they'll send the Imperial Fists to cleanse the area and claim it for the Imperium
river sequoia
I don't think their is something more funny then administration drones trying to out bureaucrat each other.
median marsh
courts work in similar fashion theres like 10 thousand years of contradicting laws, so if you ever get sent to a trial instead of getting shot theres a good chance you will never live to see the result
river sequoia
its like if chess got a special rule that violence is okay, and encouraged.
median marsh
they just sentence whoever came after you
"Bob Bobbingson, for crime of your great great great great great great grandfather, which was theft of a half a ration, you are sentenced to 100 years in the radiation mines"
river sequoia
"Bob Bobbingson, for crime of your great great great great great great grandfath...
Your implying they got names in the administraum? Citizen 8QB-9874958-a my guy.
tulip brook
it wasn't his great great great great great great grandfather either, just filing error
crisp heath
@river sequoia I think it depends on what world your from and it's specific culture
Plenty of named citizens....
versed ledge
Ah the adminitratum life sure does sound comfy....if one is a masochist for office work
river sequoia
<@153029897328132096> I think it depends on what world your from and it's specif...
My guess my question is, does the administrator care about their name enough to say it rather then use their citizen number, assuming its a place with a strong administratum force.
crisp heath
In that, lol you're definitely probably correct
storm jungle
Most administratum members or rather the majority are from families that are pretty much enslaved to the institute itself, so they usually always get names.
versed ledge
Must suck to be them
storm jungle
Its like medieval serf families but a lot worse
river sequoia
The depiction of the administrum drones isn't a pleasant one, in fact, they seem to be the most universally loathed organization filled with people who take a joyful glee in making things harder.
versed ledge
I wonder if they ever just jump off the building during mid work hours
river sequoia
I wonder if they ever just jump off the building during mid work hours
They got servitor splat clean up drones for that
versed ledge
From Watcher in the Rain, right?
versed ledge
Oh
versed ledge
They got servitor splat clean up drones for that
"Clean up in sector 4-D-5679 of accounting departmento"
lapis wadi
Think how grim office jobs can be
Now give it overtime that would make a Japanese salaryman wince, and put it in 40k
storm jungle
Think how grim office jobs can be
versed ledge
Little wonder they all join chaos eventually
storm jungle
to quote Office Space
Human beings were not meant to sit in little cubicles staring at computer screens all day, filling out useless forms and listening to eight different bosses drone on about about mission statements.
versed ledge
> Human beings were not meant to sit in little cubicles staring at computer scre...
Yes, this is so true...
queen laurel
> Human beings were not meant to sit in little cubicles staring at computer scre...
Yeah evolution didn't account for a 24/7 a job when it was making us
versed ledge
Yet we still do it
river sequoia
> Human beings were not meant to sit in little cubicles staring at computer scre...
I like the computer screen, hate the bosses, does that make me a mechanicus tech heretic?
storm jungle
Tech hereteks can basically be anyone that is just having common sense without falling to chaos
so i guess yes
versed ledge
Do tech adepts lack common sense....
queen laurel
Tech hereteks can basically be anyone that is just having common sense without f...
Yeah like an ork heretek is definitely out there
river sequoia
welp, time to start shopping for toasters
queen laurel
Wait
I just had an idea
A tech priest that is so off the rails bonkers that he uses ork tech
Oh yeah the idea is definitely coming together
river sequoia
NGL, I wouldn't mind getting mechadendrites, so so many times I wish I had a 3rd or 4th arm, especially when working on cars.
river sequoia
A tech priest that is so off the rails bonkers that he uses ork tech
don't know if that possible, ork tech out of the orks hands not in a WAAAAGH field just turns into useless junk
versed ledge
Would love to have mechadentrites too, though I hope the process is not too painful, and material is lighter
arctic talon
But still
queen laurel
don't know if that possible, ork tech out of the orks hands not in a WAAAAGH fie...
Yarrick
arctic talon
Would love to have mechadentrites too, though I hope the process is not too pain...
It’s painful
queen laurel
Ork tech is just missing a few pieces
arctic talon
You don’t get pain killers after you wake up
river sequoia
now an ork that gets hit so hard in the head that he da thinks he tech boy
queen laurel
They aren't the most advanced but you can just fill in the missing pieces and they will work pretty fine
That's literally what commissr yarrick did to a power klaw he got
river sequoia
They aren't the most advanced but you can just fill in the missing pieces and th...
Sir this ork gun has 3 firing pins, a loading mechanism that loads the bullet backwards, and the barrel isn't even lined up with the firing chamber. To fix it is to just build a new gun next to it. XD
river sequoia
That's literally what commissr yarrick did to a power klaw he got
He still actively fuel by Waaaggghhh magic though
queen laurel
Sir this ork gun has 3 firing pins, a loading mechanism that loads the bullet ba...
Yeah and the imperium has questionable gun designs in the first place
queen laurel
He still actively fuel by Waaaggghhh magic though
ork WAAAGH works on only orks
That's one of the first misconception people get
river sequoia
ork WAAAGH works on only orks
How did he survive getting run over by a Bane Blade?
queen laurel
How did he survive getting run over by a Bane Blade?
Yarrick is just built different
This is warhammer this is a setting where you can shoot literal gravity out of a gun
river sequoia
I know this is a wierd one, did vulkan get all Waaaghed up actually, or is it a meme?
queen laurel
I know this is a wierd one, did vulkan get all Waaaghed up actually, or is it a ...
That's a meme
river sequoia
but he did whip that warboss good?
queen laurel
He was blown up with one of the beast
median marsh
Vulkan is pretty powerful in his own right
(ignoring the fact he literally cannot be killed)
(unless with a very specific item)
queen laurel
but he did whip that warboss good?
No that was actually a last resort sacrifice considering that the beast was actually fighting him in equal footing
His last resort was to tackle the beast with him into the generator and the thing exploded
Killing him and the beast
dense salmon
Yeah and the imperium has questionable gun designs in the first place
The bullets need a Gellar field to exit the barrel
If you think that's silly, look at primaris weapons
river sequoia
gotcha, shouldn't trust that Salamanders fan then. He's convinced the Salamanders gonna have a waaaggghh soon with their vulkcan warboss
queen laurel
If you think that's silly, look at primaris weapons
I don't have to i've seen devastators
queen laurel
Like i would think this way of slapping together weapons was a ork way of construction
dense salmon
Imo these models would be less silly on terminator units
median marsh
Cawl really went all out
queen laurel
That's why i always compare them to flash gitz
Because they're literally the same thing
river sequoia
hear me out, Cawl is basically a 'human' Mech Boy.
dense salmon
Even though primaris space marines have nothing to do with Matt ward
They embody the cringe that is his lore wanking
river sequoia
He is basically mad, loves seeing what dis button does, has many personalities,
river sequoia
They embody the cringe that is his lore wanking
ngl, kinda gotten over it, its stupid yes, but not as stupid as it could have been, or has been in the past.
dense salmon
I've just accepted it
The meta reason is GW wants to make more money on the popularity of ultramarines
green loom
On marines in general
river sequoia
oh its just a different model with barely any stat change, they basically do the same thing slightly better, Anyway.
green loom
I do love the 40k fan quirk of attributing everything to Matt Ward despite his contributions being minor at best
Except the good stuff he did
dense salmon
I cant complain
Astra militarum got some insane OP units lately
And I play guard
river sequoia
The Ward thing was 5th edition I think, and the explosive toilet loving fanboy thing for Ultramarines. And plowing balance in the ground.
I think the new whipping boi is gets glasses and salt shaker Guy Haley?
green loom
Ultras weren't even the strong faction
dense salmon
Matt ward really only wrote a few cringe characters that left a bad taste in people's mouths
broken zenith
Matt Ward is quite divisive for me, on one hand he wrote some of my fav stuff, on the other he wrote some of my most reviled stuff
queen laurel
Matt Ward is quite divisive for me, on one hand he wrote some of my fav stuff, o...
Yeah he is basically hit or miss from what i've seen
He made some good stuff but he also made some bad ones
river sequoia
I tell ya what, I still found Ward stuff more readable then John French stuff, completely off the wall in some novels
green loom
dense salmon
You know what
The only interesting parts of necrons came from Matt ward
So there's that
I wouldn't call him a bad writer
green loom
He's not even a BL author
He writes flavour text and r ules
These are actual things he wrote though
broken zenith
Matt Ward was the co designer of WD 306 (UK) Zombie Pirates army list for 6E 2005 CotNW global campaign for exmple, as well as the co designer of 6E 2006 WD 314 (UK) The Revolting Moot variant army list of the Ogre Kingdoms, these are my absolute fav from his writing, but on the other hand he also wrote 5E 2011 C:GK and 5E 2011 WD 380-381 (UK) SoB army lists, which ruined my DH and WH, but on the other hand I can't bkame him for those either since it was more up to Tom Kirby as CEO as per decision making like ET itself
but then again Matt Ward also wrote some of the ET:K stuff I do also revile
green loom
GK I recall was his bigger fuck up ye
dense salmon
Cato sicarius isn't all bad
green loom
He's a Nick Kyme char
dense salmon
I know
broken zenith
that Kaldor Draigo easter egg in End Times: Khaine was funny tho, Matt Ward being Matt Ward xd
dense salmon
Just that era of space marine writing
It's formed a zeitgeist of hate that people just blame Matt ward for
green loom
Cato isn't even the bad one
Calgar is walking around without even half the hate and he did some stupid bs too
dense salmon
I like to think of them as a paragon/villain diad
People enjoy Lucius the eternal
Or erebus
When the quality of writing for them is nearly as poor
broken zenith
Matt Ward is actually a cool guy to be fair
but I think he should always be a co designer rather than having complete control
his 6E WFB WE army book was also cool for example
albeit usual OPness arguments were all over the place on GW forums
and then the forums got shut down of course
lapis wadi
Snazzguns are rite propa orky
lapis wadi
Wouldn't that just be a pretty stock chaos guard
broken zenith
my another fav Matt Ward piece is 2005 WD 310 (UK) 4E Nemesis Kill Team rules, he made some of the best contributions at times, that's why he's divisive for me
queen laurel
Snazzguns are rite propa orky
Yeah a group of these guys can take down an imperial knight
dense salmon
Wouldn't that just be a pretty stock chaos guard
Of course, I'm more interested in the modeling
queen laurel
Snaz guns pack a lot of punch
lapis wadi
Comms = Communications
Plex = Complex, as in a building or compound
Comms-plex = Communications Complex
The dish will be a transmitter or reciever, in this case a transmitter
broken zenith
I guess Moebian 6th would look like FW resin R&H range more or less
crisp heath
It's literally an old satellite tv dish lmao
dense salmon
Comms = Communications
Plex = Complex, as in a building or compound
Comms-plex =...
In essence a servitor-enhanced radio station
lapis wadi
As for what exactly is being transmitted, it's mentioned to be likely largely logistics data. What is usually sends, no idea.
I guess it's not super-long-range though since there's no astropath involved I can see
Presumably going somewhere else in-system
Could be a moon
ripe mango
i like map lore
dense salmon
Darktide has easily the best depiction of 40k architecture in any media
lapis wadi
That said I wouldn't put it past the Imperium to have an astropathic brain shoved somewhere in that dish
broken zenith
Darktide has easily the best depiction of 40k architecture in any media
facts
dense salmon
The hab zone maps are my favorite
broken zenith
DT atmosphere is strong imo
near wasp
Its like a gloriafied broadcasting dish, probably used to comminicate with ships in orbit if i were to guess
broken zenith
I do also absolutely love the OST
crisp heath
Nah Deathwing had the best architecture, it just dropped the ball on everything else
dense salmon
Yeah jesper kyd is great
dense salmon
Nah Deathwing had the best architecture, it just dropped the ball on everything ...
Definitely a strong contender
Unfortunately you have to play deathwing to see it
ripe mango
crisp heath
There's a part where you're walking through like a medieval dungeon and then you come out in this massive, high tech room and it still feels completely natural
ripe mango
so this is a "dish"
lapis wadi
Same thing, we call these dishes too
jade holly
so this is a "dish"
Yeah that looks like a radar dish
ripe mango
ogryn size dish
jade holly
ogryn size dish
That one’s honestly small compared to real life radars
lapis wadi
The fact it glows green probably indicates it's not using a broadcast technology we have in modern times
median marsh
its a bit strange that Mourningstar isnt apparently capable of sending the message
lapis wadi
It is
They mention in elevator chatter they don't trust the Mourningstar operators to send it, given the possibility of spies
storm jungle
so this is a "dish"
Pretty crazy stuff.
median marsh
thats one of the possible lines yeah
broken zenith
tf2 spy be like
dense salmon
In real life the powerfull radio dishes we use are in space to see the deeper cosmos. It's done to bypass the whitenoise of earth's atmosphere
broken zenith
yup
dense salmon
Did you know tv static is satellites picking up on cosmic background microwave radiation from the big bang event?
lapis wadi
I've never been entirely sure how 40k communications work
In-system there seems to be some technological FTL communication, you can talk to another planet without minutes of delay
And Astropaths are usually a bit too.. interpretive vision-y and esoteric, and not things like "Logistics Report from planet #322d2a page 1 of 992"
I feel there must be a third method, warp-skimmer couriers or something that move cogitators full of administratum data
median marsh
Astropaths basically. it becomes a sort of...warp slingshot contest if you will
Astropath A wants to send a message so they fling it into the warp towards Astropath B, along the way other astropaths help it move along
its incredibly inconsistent and unreliable
warm notch
Is it like telephone operators that you had to call to get connected to someone specific
lapis wadi
How the hell does the administratum work as well as it does
warm notch
How the hell does the administratum work as well as it does
It doesn’t
median marsh
it doesnt lmao
lapis wadi
Like how does anyone get even 5 different system's worth of reasonable data
warm notch
How the hell does the administratum work as well as it does
One of the first paragraphs you see when you search up “Imperium Bureaucracy” on the Lexicanum
lapis wadi
I get "administratum convoluted and useless lmao" but I'd add astropath servitors to the setting that are super slow but don't mind just going 0... 1... 1...0...1...0.. all day, SOMETHING
Just so Guilliman can have those reports to despair over
Hell astropaths can recieve visions from looking at like, chicken guts or whatever and have to interpret that
median marsh
Astropaths arent your usual run of the mill people, i dont think turning em into a servitor will do much except squander their new power
dense salmon
Astropath A wants to send a message so they fling it into the warp towards Astro...
A pretty good analogy would be like how we used the gravitational pull of Jupiter to slingshot a price to pluto
Probe*
dense dawn
Okay how strong is tyberos
arctic talon
Okay how strong is tyberos
He got his ass beaten by a necron lord so
About as strong as any major chapter master in terminator armor
Tyberos excels at slaughtering chaff
Not duels
He also isn’t super huge like most art shows
He’s like half a head to a head taller in terminator armor
He’s quite a big boy but he isn’t huge
storm jungle
It doesn’t
Good job Jackie you are learning
and also yeah the Imperium realistically speaking would like instantly collapse in prob a matter of years or months, its mostly kept going through plot-armor.
But almost all of its institutes are also 50/50 when it comes to the success/fail ratio of their jobs
crisp heath
The only fanon I need to see made canon is Tyberos being a fucking titan
I want this man to pick up heretics and throw them like a ragdoll
I want other space marines to look up at him like they're waiting for a chance to ask if their friends can spend the night
arctic talon
LOL
dense salmon
Hahaha
green loom
There's a marine like that
keen stratus
i have a question what the heck are the korps of krieg?
dense salmon
i have a question what the heck are the korps of krieg?
Imperial guard regiment specializing in attrition and long sieges
celest dome
The poor man's Armageddon
dense salmon
Their planet had a history of civil war and heretical uprising. Modern krieg produced a death cult of fanatics who live to die
Just the spark notes version
arctic talon
The poor man's Armageddon
Armageddon has a very dif fighting style
A lot more chimera’s
median marsh
live to atone for their worlds previous sin*
they dont just try to suicide, im tired of this meme
dense salmon
But it's why they excell at attrition. A krieger will ensure any wound is fatal by charging you or detonating themselves when they can no longer walk
They embody the phrase "if you can breathe, you can kill"
arctic talon
They also really like artillery
crisp heath
Spears or Sharks?
dense salmon
they dont just try to suicide, im tired of this meme
So am I. It's just a quick way to summarize them
celest dome
Armageddon has a very dif fighting style
(Used the same miniature but had few mechanized units, so were cheaper than Armageddon)
crisp heath
I love them both so much
green loom
Spears or Sharks?
Spears!
Sharks are far more hodge podge
So if you're making them you'll need a lot of random garbage to stuff on them
green loom
"We miss him, we wish The Pure had missed him too"
crisp heath
Oh, you picked up the novel!
green loom
No
crisp heath
Oh
green loom
Well I did like 5 years ago
dense salmon
they dont just try to suicide, im tired of this meme
A more accurate way to describe their worldview would be that a death in service of the emperor is glorious. They are prepared to die at any moment but don't necessarily seek it for the sake of it
green loom
But I read that particular excerpt on it's own
crisp heath
There's another one at the end that's pretty good
green loom
crisp heath
I highly recommend you finish it up, it's like, one of the only BL novels that has lasting lore implications people care about lmao
green loom
arctic talon
The spears of the emperor chapter master is a funny topic
Mostly since his height is uh
probably wrong
Either that or he’s the size of a primarch
Lol
crisp heath
I don't remember seeing Arucatas' height anywhere?
I don't think he's ever mentioned as being particularly tall by marine standards
dense salmon
Either that or he’s the size of a primarch
There's some precedent for it. Polux is primarch sized
arctic talon
I don't remember seeing Arucatas' height anywhere?
It’s their first chapter master
He’s primarch sized, likes spears, and wore a shroud over his face
(Insert dumb omegon joke here)
dense salmon
Iirc the horus Geneseed made his sons pretty tall and look identical to him
Taller than space marines that is
dense salmon
Oh yeah definitely not
The only other marine I can think of that size is polux
Something like 13 feet tall
arctic talon
I assume his given height is an error
But maybe it isn’t
Maybe he’s just another really big marine
green loom
Iirc the horus Geneseed made his sons pretty tall and look identical to him
Not all of them
crisp heath
How do single custodes hold up against the heavy hitters of chaos like blood letters and unclean ones
green loom
They mention in Horus Rising that there's a group in the Legion who look exactly like Horus
But their faces morphing into Horus' isn't particularly common
celest dome
Bloodletters aren't really heavy hitters
lapis wadi
Great Unclean Ones are greater daemons, they'll hit harder than a single unnamed custodes for sure
Bloodletters, eh lesser deamon
dense salmon
They mention in Horus Rising that there's a group in the Legion who look exactly...
I think abaddon has gotten physically larger in current setting than he was in 30k too
arctic talon
How do single custodes hold up against the heavy hitters of chaos like blood let...
Bloodletters can be dealt with decently easy
dense salmon
But he's an outlier
arctic talon
They’re scary
storm jungle
How do single custodes hold up against the heavy hitters of chaos like blood let...
Mostly plot armor
arctic talon
But
A single custodes isn’t a match for a greater daemon
At all lol
In fact they’re gona get split in 2
arctic talon
Quantity plot demands
lapis wadi
A single named custodes can do whatever the plot wants
But you'd want some plot device artifact weapon or something to justify
crisp heath
He’s primarch sized, likes spears, and wore a shroud over his face
I honestly don't know who you're talking about. I just did a lot of digging, but I can't find who was chapter master before Arucatas
celest dome
On a 1 on 1 a Greater Daemon will usually win
arctic talon
I’d like to remind you 8 blood thirsters and a tide of khornate daemons
Killed like
crisp heath
Are you're sure he was an Emperor's Spear?
arctic talon
2000 custodes
arctic talon
Are you're sure he was an Emperor's Spear?
Wait my bad I’m thinking of iron snakes
crisp heath
Because if there's a 9 foot tall celtic Super Stabber out there I 100% want to build him
arctic talon
I figured if grey knights can fight them then custodes would wipe them
A single grey knight
Doesn’t stand a fucking chance
crisp heath
Oh
arctic talon
Greater daemons are a match for primarchs at times
celest dome
There are cases but it's just plot/named ones
arctic talon
^
Realistically speaking a greater daemon shits on everything
Because it’s not like armor is gona save you
Daemon weapons cut through everything protective lol
crisp heath
I'd like to paint the ogham but I know my hands can't do that lmao
I might get a tiny stencil made and just spray it on if I decide to commit to that
storm jungle
Realistically speaking a greater daemon shits on everything
literally if its a Great Unclean One
crisp heath
😔
green loom
https://tenor.com/view/nurgle-nurgling-pooping-gif-24684196
He's just like me
storm jungle
crisp heath
Does skarbrand exist in 40k?
storm jungle
yes
arctic talon
Yes
lapis wadi
More graphic than I expected
arctic talon
All daemons do
crisp heath
Sick
lapis wadi
And he hates you
crisp heath
So skarbrand is that guy if the bloodthristers but i imagine he’d get bodied by angron
lapis wadi
Honestly not sure what I'd call "on par" with greater daemons
crisp heath
Me
dense salmon
Does skarbrand exist in 40k?
Every named daemon in fantasy is in 40k
crisp heath
I’m built different
near wasp
He's just like me
storm jungle
its why playing Daemons is a pretty good financial choice lol
arctic talon
Honestly not sure what I'd call "on par" with greater daemons
A avatar of khaine, a daemon primarch
near wasp
Use some soap my guy
arctic talon
Uhhhh
tulip brook
So skarbrand is that guy if the bloodthristers but i imagine he’d get bodied by ...
before getting bodied by khorne himself or after?
arctic talon
A solitaire(technically)
dense salmon
Yeah
lapis wadi
Hey if there was a Sisters unit that could I'd count it
lapis wadi
I do think they need a better name
Daemon Prince, oh yeah that sounds like top tier shit
lapis wadi
Then you find out they're lesser than greater daemon
dense salmon
Then you find out they're lesser than greater daemon
Daemon princes are also all over the place in terms of power
arctic talon
Daemon princes are in such an awkward spot from a lore perspective
crisp heath
before getting bodied by khorne himself or after?
Both?
lapis wadi
It's just.. it's counter-intuitive naming
crisp heath
Angrons kinda that guy
dense salmon
It's just.. it's counter-intuitive naming
I agree
crisp heath
He’s had that dog in him
dense salmon
Maybe "daemon ascendant" would be better
lapis wadi
You should have like, Lesser Daemons, Daemon Lords, Daemon Ascendants, and Daemon Princes
dense salmon
He’s had that dog in him
He's a lobotomite
Angron without butcher's nails would have been a healer
crisp heath
I wouldn’t tell him that
tulip brook
skarbrand had to be cursed to lose his reasoning and personality, angron never had them
dense salmon
Yeah angron had his brains scrambled early on
He would heal his fellow gladiators and was a really nice kid before he got the butcher's nails
The part that sucks is
The butcher's nails dont necessarily make you a mindless killer
Thay just happened to angron
Because of his unique biology
They just removed parts of his brain and forced the butcher's nails in there to make them work
Whats left of his brain was fusing to/being scrambled by the butcher's nails over time
crisp heath
Right but I’m talking in a head to head fight
dense salmon
Even if angron lost he'd come back in a matter of weeks
near wasp
I mean khorne gives angron peace at times as a reward
tulip brook
the fight would be pretty one sided
exile vs god's favorite toy
I'd say skarbrand before exile, he was confident enough to strike khorne, that's something angron won't even think about
dense salmon
Avatars of khaine are all over the place too
arctic talon
Fulgrim choked one to death
dense salmon
Hammer and bolter eldar episode
dense salmon
A few space marines shoot one to death
dense salmon
But an avatar of khaine can also fight a greater daemon on equal terms
dense salmon
The shard and the power of the eldar who summoned it
dense salmon
Primarchs also have power all over the place
arctic talon
The power level depends on who the writer wants to win
river sequoia
ngl every time that goes off, I go NVIDIA!!!! in chat
river sequoia
Give that wrench to an oggie, and it will get done muh fasta
arctic talon
What real world year did the bring back Guilliman
2017
celest dome
Gathering Storm Rise of the Primarch 2017
patent ivy
And that was a book, right
shadow plover
campaign books for the tabletop game
patent ivy
Gotcha
patent ivy
Ah
arctic talon
It was mostly lore
There’s very little rules stuff
In the first one
It’s like greyfax and Cawl rules iirc
Second one has more bcs ynnari
Third one only had Bobby g
patent ivy
I’m at the gym and listening to “Where are all the primarchs now” and the guy said he was newly brought back so I was curious when
dense salmon
I’m at the gym and listening to “Where are all the primarchs now” and the guy sa...
Yeah still pretty recent, the year I graduated HS lol
patent ivy
You guys think they’ll ever bring the Emperor back to full life?
dense salmon
He's stronger as a warp entity
green loom
I hope they bring the Emperor to full death
arctic talon
You guys think they’ll ever bring the Emperor back to full life?
No
storm jungle
Damn okay so recent recent
Also if you wanna read Gathering Storm just read the 13th Black Crusade wikipage.
Its very long.
Prob because the wiki as usual copy pasted everything from those 3 books lmao
patent ivy
🤣
Most of the stuff I play while at the gym is either news, lore, or history audio so I’ll see if I can find a video for tomorrow
dense salmon
There's a pretty good youtuber who condenses character lore into several hour audionovelas
I can't remember the name
Something the red i think
Lemme look it up
patent ivy
Alright
keen stratus
patent ivy
Alright thanks
dense salmon
Hes really high quality with impressive voice acting
I listen to them at work or while exercising
stray bluff
Equivalent of Ghal Maraz in 40K
stray bluff
Thanks
celest dome
Sadly Warhammer has a Sword instead of the better weapon that are hammer as the iconic wepaon
rose thorn
@ blacktalon fans btw the entire blacktalon box is a warband in warcry , i am pretty sure it makes a full 1k point team
storm jungle
They are really good models too
my friend is a Lorai simp so it was an instant buy for her
storm jungle
Its great trust me
rose thorn
Damn I wanna make a tzaangor warcry team so bad but there is no new thousand sons box for people to sell their tzaangors
I mean a 25 dollar box with the 40k weapons ain’t bad, I can keep the upgrade sprue for necromunda kitbashing
Actually tahts perfecy
celest dome
Acolyte are Nitro booster
lapis wadi
Warden and Inquisitor makes sense, but what's CM? Chapter Master would be really weird flavour
green loom
Community manager
viral halo
Need a grammar warden
lapis wadi
I was going to say the Grey Knights chapter master would probably be above a generic inquisitor
But then I remembered they have Grand Masters instead of Chapter Masters
..also a Grand Master is more like a Company Captain I guess
near wasp
Are grey knights chapter compliant. Id imagine they arnt but ive never seen anything regarding there numbers
patent ivy
😦
lapis wadi
No, they have their own organisation
dense salmon
They're a special detachment originally raised up by malcador
arctic talon
They have like brotherhoods
tulip brook
they are codex compliant as far as their numbers and "brotherhoods" go
lapis wadi
They're roughly analogous to Space Marines
lapis wadi
Space Marines mk 1.2
near wasp
Thanks that clears up a bunch
tulip brook
their own equipment armor and weapons but they still have huge shoulders
chapter 666 it is
near wasp
They need good shoulders to carry the imperium
lapis wadi
They have 8 Brotherhoods lead by a Grand Master, and a Supreme Grand Master who leads them
Roughly the same as Astartes Chapters having 10 Companies, each with a Captain and a Chapter Master overseeing all the Companies
Unless you're the Black Templars
tulip brook
or dark angels, having so many codex compliant chapters and some not so compliant in the same base
lapis wadi
There's more than one Chapter in the Rock?
tulip brook
they keep all the successor chapters close
lapis wadi
That doesn't sound right in the slightest but I don't know enough about the Dark Angels to dispute it
Rock is way bigger than I thought it was
dense salmon
While the grey knights dont have any hardcap to their numbers
The process of producing a grey knight ensures their numbers are similar to codex compliant chapters
tulip brook
they have a hardcap with their training process
dense salmon
They accept only the best of the best of the best of the best
near wasp
The rock was a the fortess monastery for the legion. Before the breaking of caliban it was stationed by like 28k marines
tulip brook
that many best plus they have to be psykers too
lapis wadi
Okay yeah that's way bigger than I thought
dense salmon
It cannot be stressed enough how strenuous the process of producing grey knights strains out the chaff
lapis wadi
Also I wouldn't be surprised if Malcador had left guidelines on how big the GK should be too
dense salmon
They take 0.001% of an already tiny minority
storm jungle
It cannot be stressed enough how strenuous the process of producing grey knights...
Thats probably the most goofy part of their lore too ngl
dense salmon
Oh easily
lapis wadi
Malcador why
dense salmon
And limits their numbers
near wasp
40k has never been subtle
dense salmon
Your first day as a gray knight
Someone accidentally primes a krak grenade and blows you up
tulip brook
imagine how many librarians other chapters could have if grey knights weren't killing them in their trials
dense salmon
Iirc a lot of librarians went on to become candidates for the grey knight trials after the edict of nikaea
Either dont use your psyker powers or die in the process of being sanctioned as a gray knight
Which way loyalist
lapis wadi
There must be wash-outs from all these various Astartes programs where they don't straight-up die.
Wonder what happens to them? There must be demand for "This dude is physically astartes aspirant level and just needs a bionic arm"
I guess they become like, Chapter serf-soldiers but that also feels boring
patent ivy
I prefer them over the skate series
storm jungle
same
tulip brook
weren't they founded way later than nikaea and kept secret for 200 years?
storm jungle
There must be wash-outs from all these various Astartes programs where they don'...
They become serfs or die
lapis wadi
Screw it, make a regiment out of failed aspirants
storm jungle
depends on the Chapter