He hates being used
#40k-lore-chat
dense salmon
patent ivy
Anyone in here familiar with the lore of Destiny? I think it started to go real downhill after the “We must use darkness to defeat the darkness” stuff
dense salmon
And so he won't champion for any one of them
patent ivy
That Abbadon guy reminded me of that for a second
dense dawn
Anyone in here familiar with the lore of Destiny? I think it started to go real ...
Idk darkness is evil and the light wins or smt
dense salmon
The biggest reason abaddon hates chaos is for what it did to horus however
They made horus a husk
And he doesn't want to be like horus
I would add angron to the list of people who work for chaos without aligning themselves with chaos
Because angron didn't really have a choice
And he's a lobotomite
dense dawn
They made horus a husk
Didn't the emperor like kill his soul too
patent ivy
I finally listened to a complete timeline of the HH and it is crazy how Horus kinda got shafted
dense dawn
Oh wait that's a husk
river sequoia
He considers chaos to be a stupid force of nature. Following chaos will doom humanity, Bile in a twisted way, wants to evolve humankind out of reach of chaos. He a madman, and a traitor to the imperium, but choas follower not so much
dense dawn
I got it
dense dawn
He considers chaos to be a stupid force of nature. Following chaos will doom hum...
Based
patent ivy
How he got misled with that vision of the Imperium forgetting about him
dense salmon
Didn't the emperor like kill his soul too
So the primarch souls are minor warp gods
patent ivy
But that was because of his future actions
dense salmon
The primarchs themselves are avatars for those warp gods
dense dawn
So the primarch souls are minor warp gods
Are you fr?
dense salmon
Yes
dense salmon
Emperor used him and another perpetual's DNA to make bodies for those warp gods to inhabit
dense salmon
So is sanguinius chilling up in the warp orr...
Sanguinius is heavily implied to be the two angels of baal
One dark, one light
river sequoia
if they were warp gods, wouldn't they need souls, belief, or some nonsense to have power?
dense dawn
if they were warp gods, wouldn't they need souls, belief, or some nonsense to ha...
We do have the legions I guess
Idk if that logic works
arctic talon
if they were warp gods, wouldn't they need souls, belief, or some nonsense to ha...
They’re weak as shit ones most likely
dense salmon
The emperor stepped in a warp portal and came out with the knowledge to create the primarchs
dense salmon
His original plan was to have his perpetual friends lead the legions
But they abandoned him
So he made the primarchs instead
river sequoia
The lion has the least amount of ppl ever know of him, and yet has the most powers now, forest walk op
dense dawn
Was the emperor's webway in any way superior to the eldars
dense salmon
Was the emperor's webway in any way superior to the eldars
Wasn't really "HIS" in the strictest sense of the wors
He just burrowed into the eldar's
arctic talon
Was the emperor's webway in any way superior to the eldars
He was hijacking the eldar’s
By building a connection in
dense dawn
He was hijacking the eldar’s
Didn't he like add anything to it
arctic talon
Didn't he like add anything to it
No
dense salmon
Kind of?
dense dawn
Improve it in the slightest
arctic talon
It’s old ones tech mostly
arctic talon
^
dense dawn
He literally just got started
And then fucking magnus happened
dense salmon
So the answer is we just don't know
dense salmon
He could have made it better
arctic talon
But he didn’t get far enough
arctic talon
He could have made it better
I doubt it
The webway is old ones tech
Not eldar tech
patent ivy
So the warp goes through the immaterium, which is where the chaos gods are from, right?
arctic talon
The eldar co-opted it
arctic talon
So the warp goes through the immaterium, which is where the chaos gods are from,...
The warp is the immaterium
dense dawn
I wonder how strong of a race humanity would be if the emperor succeeded
dense salmon
So the warp goes through the immaterium, which is where the chaos gods are from,...
Warp and immaterium can be used interchangeably
green loom
The Warp and Immaterium are one and the same
patent ivy
The warp is the immaterium
Ok ok. So why did it continued to get used if it was such a dangerous thing
dense salmon
The best real world analog i can give you is this
river sequoia
I though the emporers webway project was a improved version as it was gonna be more protected from warp intrusions? (Something like Gella field shielded webway)
arctic talon
Ok ok. So why did it continued to get used if it was such a dangerous thing
Because you have to use it
dense salmon
In theoretical physics, dark energy and dark matter are a thing
arctic talon
I though the emporers webway project was a improved version as it was gonna be m...
We don’t know
He just got started with it
green loom
Ok ok. So why did it continued to get used if it was such a dangerous thing
As horrific it is, it's fast
dense salmon
Dark matter and dark energy are believed to be 95% of the observable universe
arctic talon
Before it got smashed up
dense salmon
But they don't interact with light so we don't they for sure how they work
patent ivy
But they don't interact with light so we don't they for sure how they work
Ah, okay then
dense salmon
The warp would be that dark energy/matter, only for every action in realspace, an equal reaction happens in the warp
Every thought
Every emotion
green loom
But they don't interact with light so we don't they for sure how they work
Is that why it's dark
dense salmon
Hahaha
green loom
No really is it
dense salmon
Yes
arctic talon
And I highly doubt the emperor could improve
On old ones tech
Seeing as the Necrons and Eldar didn’t
They just hijack it for personal use
dense salmon
The grand design of the emperor was for every human to be a psyker and live in the webway as its new architects
Maybe eventually become purely psychic god-beings
But things obviously didn't play out that way
We can't really know for sure what the human webway project would have entailed
river sequoia
idk, the old ones seemed pretty content and lazy, same with the eldar, and necrons once they became metal. Lacking ambition, humanity however is a very ambitious species. Remeber Golden Age humanity tech is said to put the eldar to shame.
dense salmon
Which is insane considering we can't prove empirically it exists yet
storm jungle
also yeah
arctic talon
idk, the old ones seemed pretty content and lazy, same with the eldar, and necr...
Golden age tech is not known to be superior to eldar empire tech
For one
storm jungle
DAOT humanity was nowhere near this advanced
arctic talon
And second of all
The Necrons quite literally
Have finished the tech tree
Of warhammer 40K
They have invented everything
Developed everything
river sequoia
Golden age tech is not known to be superior to eldar empire tech
I thought there was a hole bunch of fluff about eldar wanting STCs or some nonsense
arctic talon
I thought there was a hole bunch of fluff about eldar wanting STCs or some nonse...
No
What
green loom
Think of Necrons and Eldar as like
Respectively phyics and warp bs
Humanity is somewhere in the middleground
dense salmon
Developed everything
Everything except sunscren
storm jungle
idk, the old ones seemed pretty content and lazy, same with the eldar, and necr...
Humanity is not ambitious.
Look at us now.
When a species reaches its technological zenith they grow lazy and compliant which is to be meta where we are now.
arctic talon
Everything except sunscren
LOL
storm jungle
We could literally solve half the problems we have IRL
but we dont
because "who cares"
lmao
green loom
Humanity in 40k has a hand in material bs and psychic bs
But is far, far, far from anything resembling necron or eldar crap
storm jungle
^
river sequoia
because "who cares"
no, there is plenty of care, its more about -"Is their profit in this"
storm jungle
no, there is plenty of care, its more about -"Is their profit in this"
There really isnt
the people that care about advancement are the smallest percentage
green loom
That's not really an argument for this chat ngl
storm jungle
as tragic as it is its the truth
the Imperium is kinda the same
like the mechanicus' creed is literally
"we invented everything, we gotta re-find it"
which is stupid, though its the point so
river sequoia
You know they bend that definition at every turn? Every mechanicus Magi research center just has to say its a rediscovery to keep the fanatics at bay.
arctic talon
I mean it’s done with existing tech
They don’t invent new stuff
They develop it from what they find
storm jungle
Pretty much yeah.
storm jungle
You know they bend that definition at every turn? Every mechanicus Magi research...
Doesnt change the fact that the Admech is majorily stupid.
And very backward.
which again is the point, mankind is its own worse enemy in 40k
dense salmon
idk, the old ones seemed pretty content and lazy, same with the eldar, and necr...
You get shot with a bolt gun, you get gibbed. You get shot with a necron gauss rifle, you get your particles rapidly disassembled until you turn into smoke
river sequoia
Doesnt change the fact that the Admech is majorily stupid.
We got a follower of Cawl it seems 😛
patent ivy
They have invented everything
😦 Damn!
If I did everything I’d probably get bored and attack other civilizations too
green loom
They're necrons
dense salmon
But the good news is they hate themselves almost more than they hate us
patent ivy
🤣
storm jungle
We got a follower of Cawl it seems 😛
I mean yeah?
arctic talon
the Dynasties fucking hate each other
patent ivy
How? I thought they all look like robots
green loom
Cawl also doesn't view it as inventing 
patent ivy
So racist off origins and not appearances
dense dawn
Eldar can go sit on an imperial stick
Doubt they wouldn't like it
green loom
Its like the Balkans
dense salmon
If the necrons lost their free will again and they were united
It would be the easiest curbstomp
arctic talon
yeah
patent ivy
Sounds more like just nationalism over racism, no?
celest dome
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/517097435303116811/1021931820025139301/...
Did you have that on speed dial ?
dense salmon
More like tribalism than nationalism
green loom
Did you have that on speed dial ?
I have a personal discord with saved memes for quick usage
dense dawn
Sounds more like just nationalism over racism, no?
Racism and nationalism is they to go in the warhammer 40k universe,
dense salmon
People forget that necrons went to war with gods
patent ivy
Interesting
dense salmon
Gods who literally made orcs and eldar
green loom
dense salmon
And turned c'tan
Which are like
Mini azathoths
Into metal pets
For perspective, the void dragon the emperor killed is one of these entities
arctic talon
He didn't even kill it
river sequoia
Gods who literally made orcs and eldar
Lets be honest, making the Eldar was a mistake
dense salmon
Another major disadvantage the necrons have is they are all taking a nap right now
arctic talon
he just defeated the shard
somehow
I'd assume he overwhelmed it with psychic power
dense salmon
Necrons are also the win condition over tyranids
arctic talon
but still the Necrons at the height of their power roll everyone
Like its not even a contest lol
the Necrons with unsharded C'tan
and completely united
pretty much won the war in heaven
storm jungle
Lets be honest, making the Eldar was a mistake
The necrons were the ones responsible for the state of the warp and the galaxy in general
so 
arctic talon
The only reason it could have remotely be considered a loss is that they didn't finish off the Old Ones and went back into infighting
lol
And then they all went to sleep
because once they started infighting the Krork and Eldar were a serious threat to contend with
dense salmon
The necrons were the ones responsible for the state of the warp and the galaxy i...
Before the war in heaven, the warp was a tranquil sea
dense salmon
They probably don't even care
arctic talon
They are concerned over the uh
collapse of the Eldar empire
or rather the effects of it
storm jungle
Humanity also made it worse
arctic talon
The giant fucking tear in reality was pretty bad
storm jungle
but everyone wants to blame the eldar for some reason
arctic talon
and then Humanity made it worse yeah
storm jungle
even tho they had like 10% hand in it
arctic talon
eh
40%
imo
The eye of terror let chaos influence real space much easier
The Emperor fucking handed over Chaos's strongest real space assets though lol
river sequoia
isn't the Eldar almost entirely at fault for the creation of Slaneesh
dense salmon
The eye of terror let chaos influence real space much easier
On the other hand, it also lets big E influence real space more easily
dense salmon
isn't the Eldar almost entirely at fault for the creation of Slaneesh
Almost?
Brother they are entirely at fault
arctic talon
isn't the Eldar almost entirely at fault for the creation of Slaneesh
they are entierly at fault
for the birth of slaanesh
dense salmon
Slaanesh owes their entire existence to eldar
arctic talon
but the birth of slaanesh isn't why the warp and real space is fucked
tulip brook
that should be fixed
river sequoia
I give 1% room for error
arctic talon
The Necrons did that shit lol
and then Slaanesh was a minor warp entity
and because of how time works in the warp
they helped assist their own birth
storm jungle
isn't the Eldar almost entirely at fault for the creation of Slaneesh
The ones that did it are all dead
arctic talon
And then Humanity did the funny
arctic talon
and handed over a bunch of real space strength to the chaos gods
TLDR blame the Necrons, Eldar Empire and Humanity
thats why the galaxy is so fucked
dense salmon
The great rift has one major upside
arctic talon
It makes Big E stronger
dense salmon
It made the emperor more powerful in realspace
dense salmon
So now we can see more literal divine intervention
arctic talon
which means they are both a warp entity of sort
dense salmon
It also has made Chegorach and Ynead stronger
Total slaanesh death
storm jungle
lmao
arctic talon
and daemonic incursion
in Comorroagh lol
The Kabals are busy playing doom eternal
rn
crisp heath
Necrons seeing planets on the other side of the rift: is for me? 🥺
river sequoia
I think DE probably need to get fucked over.
dense salmon
Dark eldar are a net negative for the galaxy
storm jungle
Which is hard to do because they are also in the most secure point in the galaxy
arctic talon
yeah
dense salmon
Even orks can sometimes be bargained with
storm jungle
people forget they are just raiders and pirates
arctic talon
Tbf normal raiders and pirates don't empty an entire planets worth of people
green loom
Dark Eldar are the perfect Rogue Trader antagonists
dense salmon
GAZGHKULL
tulip brook
getting sapped by slaanesh, pink god getting more powerful, DE get older faster
humanity should keep fucking
best way to counter them
crisp heath
I think it's more they're too disorganized to do anything. There's supposed to be more of them than craftworlders, but we see the craftworlds ruining everyone surprisingly frequently
dense salmon
Add gazghkull to the list of godlike beings that owe their existence to eldar
storm jungle
I think it's more they're too disorganized to do anything. There's supposed to b...
They are pretty organized.
They just dont care
dense salmon
He's about to reach his waaagh! Zenith and become unstoppable
arctic talon
The Kabalites are organized
same with the Wych Cults and Haemonculi covens
they're just prone to infighting
green loom
DE are organized they just do their own thing yeah
arctic talon
and backstabbing
river sequoia
Has their actually been a single Eldar plot where they haven't fucked themselves over in the process?
green loom
The ones that care joined the Ynnari
storm jungle
Has their actually been a single Eldar plot where they haven't fucked themselves...
Yes but they mostly suffer from bad writers
tulip brook
ghaz don't owe anyone, he wants it, he takes it
arctic talon
Has their actually been a single Eldar plot where they haven't fucked themselves...
Craftworld Eldar no because Gav Thrope
He enjoys SUFFERING
Dark Eldar a ton
lol
Dark eldar almost always get what they want
crisp heath
Has their actually been a single Eldar plot where they haven't fucked themselves...
I can think of a time when the Grey Knights fucked them over instead
arctic talon
with no strings attached
patent ivy
Was it the eldar or the dark eldar that is responsible for slaanesh
arctic talon
Dark Eldar have the most like
arctic talon
Was it the eldar or the dark eldar that is responsible for slaanesh
Dark Eldar
dense salmon
The eldar foresaw an ork warboss attacking them
patent ivy
Ok
green loom
Yeah they're like Preppers
dense salmon
So they influenced gazghkull to become a warboss so orks would siege Armageddon instead
arctic talon
so they just fucked off
Ghazkull has done exactly what the Craftworlders have wanted
tbf
dense salmon
Eldar would rather let a trillion other people die than let 1 eldar die
green loom
But instead of underground bunkers full of hillbillies they're massive utopian trade ships full of twinks
arctic talon
like his existance is a positive for the Craftworld Eldar
dense salmon
Which to be fair
arctic talon
lol
dense salmon
There are very few of them
river sequoia
you would think after awhile the Eldar would relize their abilty to see the future A. Never works well, don't do it. B. Holy shit you don fucked up.
arctic talon
Tbf
future sight in 40k
always fucks you over somehow
might as well try your best to navigate it
dense salmon
Future sight in 40k is unreliable
arctic talon
yeah
dense salmon
Sanguinius realized this
river sequoia
they just keep doing it though
dense salmon
You just see possible futures
arctic talon
you aren't gona get a story on when it works
storm jungle
you would think after awhile the Eldar would relize their abilty to see the futu...
Yeah because its bad writing
dense salmon
And you can influence them to be true
arctic talon
thats boring
dense salmon
Like
arctic talon
also it has worked multiple times exactly as intended
storm jungle
That too
dense salmon
Konrad curze saw his death
arctic talon
I.E Ghazkull
dense salmon
And literally let himself be decapitated so it would be true
green loom
Guilliman too
arctic talon
yeah
dense salmon
When sanguinius told him he could change his future if he really wanted to
dense salmon
Konrad curze was just the ultimate misanthrope
green loom
They also Farsaw the end and the death
dense salmon
He hated himself too
crisp heath
Didn't seeing the future work out for them while all that "throw our last superweapon into the surface of cadia" tomfoolery was going on
green loom
tulip brook
craftworld eldar seeing something and doing absolutely nothing productive to change it is how it's written so many times at this point
arctic talon
lol
green loom
Their future vision was blocked during the Siege of Terra
Because shit was getting apocalyptic there
storm jungle
craftworld eldar seeing something and doing absolutely nothing productive to cha...
I mean no they do do stuff
the problem is the writers just make them act like morons because plot
dense salmon
Doodoo
storm jungle
dense salmon
Hahaha
arctic talon
GAV THROPE GAV THROPE GAV THROPE
storm jungle
^
arctic talon
SUFFERING BUILDS CHARACTER
tulip brook
emphasis on productive
arctic talon
SUFFERING BUILDS CHARACTER
SUFFERING BUILDS CHARACTER
okay I'll stop
Gav should stop writing craftworld eldar lol
crisp heath
The Dawn of War novels are highly recommended for any Eldar fans :3
arctic talon
💀
green loom
SUFFERING BUILDS CHARACTER
Damn why am I not interesting then
dense salmon
Damn why am I not interesting then
Suffer more 
river sequoia
hmmmm sounds like we got DE in here
dense salmon
Just kidding. Thrive and prosper my brothers and sisters
crisp heath
Turning my trauma into charisma like some of regret wizard 
arctic talon
but still Gav Thrope
tulip brook
eldar needs someone like adb at this point
dense salmon
Grimderp
arctic talon
just let Guy Haley write Eldar
dense salmon
At the end of the day
arctic talon
unironically
tulip brook
that guy is responsible for a good chunk of chaos popularity
storm jungle
Both tbh
arctic talon
also yeah both of them
river sequoia
idk about ABD, it might become incomprehensible nonsense
arctic talon
but Gav Thrope really should just
stop writing CWE
then again he's writing a votann book now
Sorry for any dwarf enjoyers
dense salmon
First line of the new votann book
crisp heath
Let Nate Crowley have a turn with every xenos faction
dense salmon
"WE'RE RICH!"
storm jungle
Hes the only guy who wants to write for them
same with every other non-marine author
imperials included
arctic talon
storm jungle
"Why doesnt anyone write scion books"
dense salmon
Write a book about sly marbo
crisp heath
Let Crowley write T'au. Let Crowley write Eldar. Let Crowley get his the fan made OC xenos species he wrote when he was 13 published. Let Crowley write xenos
dense salmon
Holding down an entire continent on Armageddon by himself
storm jungle
my favorite part of liking Eldar is nobody knowing their lore and learning everything about them from grimdank
dense salmon
Somehow
storm jungle
storm jungle
same
green loom
my favorite part of liking Eldar is nobody knowing their lore and learning every...
Me reading "Banshees are all female" on twitter 
storm jungle
"Man eldar are so arrogant"
Imperium: "THE STARS BELONG TO US, WE ARE THE MASTER-RACE"
*explodes*
arctic talon
Me reading "Banshees are all female" on twitter <:staregryn:1022085083844325376>
Do not let them read path of the eldar
dense salmon
Learning about eldar gods is interesting
arctic talon
dense salmon
Mfs literally manifest their gods on the battlefield during the war in heaven
thick cedar
Is there any rhyme or reason why someone can have a Psychic Awkaening or is it just the universe going "Youre a Psyker now. Have fun"
river sequoia
Oh I know, hand the eldar off to John French, nobody will understand Eldar ever.
crisp heath
I rag on eldar a lot, but I'll tolerate any but the clowns
storm jungle
Is there any rhyme or reason why someone can have a Psychic Awkaening or is it j...
Great Rift
dense salmon
Is there any rhyme or reason why someone can have a Psychic Awkaening or is it j...
Genetics too
thick cedar
Great Rift
What dictates someone becoming a psyker though. I kno the rift is the reason but why would someone become a psyker and someone doesnt
green loom
Eldar discussing helping humans
"These humans will definitely try to kill us, they're brutes"
"WOW THE ELDAR ARE SO RACIST HUMANITY #1"
Humans discussing helping eldar
"These filthy animals deserved to be PURGED like the vermin they are!!!!"
"OMG SO BASED"
dense salmon
It's a mutation that can be exacerbated by warp exposure
storm jungle
What dictates someone becoming a psyker though. I kno the rift is the reason but...
The Warp
crisp heath
It's not because Harlequins did anything wrong, or that I think they're poorly written, I just think they're ugly and it's quite rude for GW to make a product that is both difficult to paint and doesn't look good even when it's done perfectly
tulip brook
sensitivity to warp energy
storm jungle
Eldar discussing helping humans
"These humans will definitely try to kill us, th...
Eldar dont even enjoy killing humans btw
the entire reason they got a warmask is because of that
green loom
I know
storm jungle
most find murder abhorrent
tulip brook
big souls something something
green loom
It's either collateral damage, in service to a plan, or the imperials going haywire and trying to kill them
dense salmon
It's not because Harlequins did anything wrong, or that I think they're poorly w...
Theyre also inconsistent in terms of power
crisp heath
Whenever I see someone say they want Harlequins to be a full army I have to wonder if they're just masochists
dense salmon
I chose a leman russ as my first paint project
river sequoia
Whenever I see someone say they want Harlequins to be a full army I have to wond...
maybe a surgen with perfect hands?
dense salmon
The first thing I ever attempted to paint
green loom
Whenever I see someone say they want Harlequins to be a full army I have to wond...
Tea this fandom doesn't even know what it wants, least of all how feasible anything would be
dense salmon
I chose a leman russ as my first paint project
Tank not primarch
tulip brook
my first models were a set of chaos cultists, me smort
crisp heath
I know exactly what I want. I want bugs to eat people.
green loom
I was actually smart and painted marines 
dense salmon
Plague marines would probably be easy to paint
tulip brook
nope
crisp heath
I said I was going to paint a lot, never bought the minis, or bought the minis and never painted
When I finally got around to it, I was the smartest
green loom
I did kinda okay
crisp heath
Started with Necrons
green loom
Started with Necrons
"apply metallic"
dense salmon
I did kinda okay
That's really good, the heat discoloration is cool too
You airbrush that?
green loom
No
crisp heath
I have some necron warriors laying around I practiced on, I'm getting a box with an actual squad in Wednesday that's going go be my "real attempt"
It also has some primaris in it, but I'm not sure what kind of chapter I want to paint
green loom
These are all my painting supplies
crisp heath
I'm not really into marines so I don't want to take the time making custom colors and heraldry
I like carcharodons, but I don't like the idea of primaris carcharodons. I like emperor's spears, but I'd have to run them as UM successors because Emperor's Spears rules suck
dense salmon
These are all my painting supplies
Try drybrushing a vallejo gunmetal or citadel equivalent after doing your bronze tones on the barrels
Easy weathered look
green loom
I can't afford any of those
green loom
Besides I don't even have models to paint, family don't let me get any more
dense salmon
They are sparing you economic ruin
crisp heath
I did kinda okay
Oh that's really good actually, the only thing I think anyone could say mean about it is the gun but it's just tiny mistakes
dense salmon
I once took my girlfriend to GW store because she didn't believe me when I told her I was prepared to spend 800 on three tanks
green loom
Oh that's really good actually, the only thing I think anyone could say mean abo...
It's just overlap because I got lazy lmao
My first was a good bit worse but only because I overdid the wash
crisp heath
When my Real Necrons come in, I'm going to try how to learn to make glow effects
green loom
I enjoyed it a ton but can't get any new models to do more with 
crisp heath
I'm also painting their energy bits purple :3
dense salmon
I enjoyed it a ton but can't get any new models to do more with <:a_:11154064285...
Go on etsy or ebay
People resell models for cheap
green loom
Not avaiable where I live
dense salmon
And you can get specific models over combat patrols
dense salmon
Not avaiable where I live
Russia?
green loom
dense salmon
Rough
I bought a uh
Black fortress psyker
Because I hate the base 40k psyker models
From ebay
crisp heath
I'm probably going to end up doing at least 2,000 points in Necrons because holy hell do I want to paint the Void Dragon one day, and before that I just need a Hexmark
dense salmon
Do some edge highlights on this
Mix whatever blue you used with like
Any light grayish color
And hit em with some agrax earthshade
Or nuln oil
Would be great
Gray seer is too dark
green loom
These were done two months ago
My brush is not very highlight friendly
And I only have corax white
patent ivy
We’re the second and eleventh legions’ primarchs also sons of the Emperor?
Were
Video I’m watching on all the legions only briefly mentioned em as being killed by the Space Wolves
tulip brook
they were primarch yeah. their fate is left ambiguous to make room for homebrew legions
patent ivy
Oh cool
tulip brook
dense salmon
She's a perpetual like big E
warm notch
Ohhh
dense salmon
Really strong too
warm notch
So the sons aren’t technically perpetual too are they?
dense salmon
So the sons aren’t technically perpetual too are they?
Ehhh
Vulcan is
But all the primarcha are avatars of minor warp gods
warm notch
This just gives me the impression all of them are created from vats
dense salmon
So in a way they're immortal but not perpetual
warm notch
WAIT
dense salmon
This just gives me the impression all of them are created from vats
They were
dense salmon
That actually is a good question
warm notch
Some interpretations of “growing people” in vats have nutrients into the belly button
But I mean, 40k is fucking weird
And it doesn’t have to adhere if it doesn’t want to
dense salmon
So vulcan is a perpetual
warm notch
Fuck now I really need to know
dense salmon
The rest aren't
warm notch
So being a perpetual isn’t genetic huh
dense salmon
At least not in the way we think
warm notch
They’re functionally immortal
dense salmon
So being a perpetual isn’t genetic huh
There's three kinds of perpetual
warm notch
(As in they cannot die from age)
dense salmon
Natural born perpetual
patent ivy
What age are perpetuals capped at looks-wise
dense salmon
Like big e and erda
patent ivy
Like 40?
dense salmon
Perletuals that are artificial, usually made so by the cabal
patent ivy
That’s what they look like to me
dense salmon
And then uh
warm notch
What age are perpetuals capped at looks-wise
What if they were capped at age 20 lol
patent ivy
Must be smokers or something because they look older
dense salmon
The primarchs aren't necessarily PHYSICALLY immortal
Guilliman is aging
They'd die of old age eventually
But they are just avatars
The warp gods that makes up their souls are timeless
Except horus
And the ones corrupted by chaos
Magnus, mortarion, angron, lorgar
Are basically shards of chaos now
patent ivy
So who is Guilliman the avatar of? The Emperor?
dense salmon
Perturabo if you go by lore, but maybe not if you by the theory he isn't a daemon prince
patent ivy
Oooh
dense salmon
So who is Guilliman the avatar of? The Emperor?
Whatever warp god thst makes up guilliman
They all have the emperor's genetics though
dense salmon
Of course
patent ivy
I was under the assumption there was only bad
dense salmon
The warp is just the reaction to realspace
If enough people believe in a concept
That concept has presence in the warp
Good or bad
arctic talon
tbh
theres plenty of fish in the warp
the evil ones are just the biggest
plenty of minor gods or lesser ones floating around
patent ivy
So how is Guilliman the aviator Perturabo, I thought Perturabo turned traitor
dense salmon
Humans made an actual manifestation of the tau's greater good in the warp
dense salmon
So how is Guilliman the aviator Perturabo, I thought Perturabo turned traitor
Guilliman is loyal
Perturabo is traitor
arctic talon
Perturabo is a straight up Daemon now
dense salmon
But maybe not chaos depending on your opinion
patent ivy
Yeah so why would a loyalist be the avatar of a traitor
dense salmon
Perturabo is a straight up Daemon now
EliteWolf is correct according to GW Canon
patent ivy
Or was it from before he was
arctic talon
they aren't
dense salmon
But there are some hints here and there that make the theory that he isn't a daemon somewhat credible
arctic talon
you misintrepreted what Venuz said I think
patent ivy
Oh
dense salmon
There is a chance fulgrim's warp god soul is still out there
Considering the laher blade possessed fulgrim's body
The fulgrim we think of isn't really fulgrim
But anyways, yes the primarchs all embody an aspect of the emperor
But that's through his psychic influence and genetics
Not their souls per se
The warp god souls are probably the only souls powerful enough to manifest those traits
patent ivy
The fulgrim we think of isn't really fulgrim
Dr. Jekyll and Mr Hyde?
dense salmon
More like if I scooped your brain out and put my brain in it
patent ivy
Oh
dense salmon
Hijacked
Primarch clones are formidable but not really that special without those warp god souls
Except the fulgrim clone who probably did have fulgrim's genuine soul
grave sparrow
that'd be a very interesting primarch reintroduction if it were a fulgrim clone with his true soul
make him wrath and regret incarnate
whole character arc of him coming to terms with what he did, having to go through the Imperium hating him. Could make him lead a forgotten renegade group of emperor's children successors
patent ivy
So the 1000 sons aren’t traitors necessarily, but are considered so because of their use of the psychokinetic energy to try and warn the Emperor
storm jungle
in 30k briefly yes
after that they went fully Traitor because Leman fucked it all up
patent ivy
Ah
desert dust
I think magnus had a shard of his soul taken by some Gray knight.
So fulgrim probably had his soul ripped up and part of it has been corrupted and part of it flew off and went into the museum piece
warm notch
Are there any fluffy stories in the 40k books
As in, kinda feel-good stories
Or romance lol
I think 40k is a perfect setting for those types of stories
patent ivy
Is the modern-day worship of the Emperor the same as the one once practiced by Lorgar
patent ivy
I think 40k is a perfect setting for those types of stories
I don’t think there’s any good endings in 40k
😢
jaunty solar
I don't think it's exactly the same
warm notch
I don’t think there’s any good endings in 40k
Just because there aren’t any good endings doesn’t mean there can’t be a feel good story ig
Idk what I’m talking about
jaunty solar
I think I know what you mean
Like how horror segments in otherwise bright or colorful media is impactful due to it being unexpected
patent ivy
Just because there aren’t any good endings doesn’t mean there can’t be a feel go...
Yeah but I think it’s like wanting good things to happen in a horror movie. They may occur, but are undone by whatever evil is there
warm notch
40k is such a horrific setting that it can make romance feel more impactful
I want my femboy adepta sororitas novel dammit
patent ivy
I feel like anything romance related would have a Titanic type ending. Except, more 40k fitting
storm jungle
I want my femboy adepta sororitas novel dammit
jaunty solar
Romeo and Juliet is the best you can hope for
Except in WH40K it's probably called Rubedo and Juliat or some shit
warm notch
Idk I just really enjoy mundanity
Gimme a slice of life novel set in the shittiest hive city imaginable
(Tho that’s probably the warhammer crime series as others have recommended in this channel)
warm notch
The Imperium of Mankind wins campaigns with a 97% fatality rate
Truly one of the empires of all time
radiant lance
Victory.
desert dust
Are there any fluffy stories in the 40k books
Kingmaker
Also not cannon but it's cannon to me
It's a very fun story of a bunch of guardsmen trying to stay alive
desert dust
First episode is not how the rest is written
warm notch
Definitely putting it on the list
desert dust
Also warboss
It's pretty great
I read it after the new lion book when he wakes up
I remember and liked warboss way more then the new primarch books
verbal path
As in, kinda feel-good stories
Helsreach has a pretty positive tone
verbal path
Sure it does, ignore Dilara here.
fierce pendant
^
plush mason
"i will die on this world, i will die on Armageddon"
verbal path
It's good and positive character growth for the main character.
verbal path
Dilara, your anti Imperial bias is showing.
celest dome
Is it truly bias if it's fair ?
verbal path
Yes
urban spire
i am not biased against the imperium, i am completely objective and the imperium is objectively shit
verbal path
Well ya, that's 40k in a nutshell. Compared to now its an utter shitshow.
river sequoia
i am not biased against the imperium, i am completely objective and the imperium...
And the Imperium is the best faction the galaxy got going for it atm. Its shittiness is irrevelent if its the only faction that still has an sizable empire to speak of 😛
urban spire
that is in no way a good thing
for one
and for two, the votann and the necrons are also practicing empire
the tau as well, and they are expanding rapidly, as opposed to the necrons and the imperium who are stagnant
verbal path
Are there any fluffy stories in the 40k books
Double Eagle, too. As well as some of the earlier Horus Heresy books. Pretty happy and positive until a certain oops happens.
warm notch
The Imperium's shittiness is relevant because they're crumbling inside out
And, even if they're the last ones standing in the galaxy, the fascist machine is one that slowly consumes itself
They're not going to last unless something fundamentally changes lol
At least, that's how I interpret it
verbal path
They'll last as long as GW gets the money
warm notch
Oh yeah totally
verbal path
But ya, them my recommendations for more positive stories. Helsreach and Double Eagle.
warm notch
The rejects are all interesting because they all see the holes in the system (as even the mere fact that they're still alive to be operatives is itself a 'hole' in the system)
verbal path
Most of the other stories on the top of my head are a lot more bitter than sweet.
arctic talon
@warm notch Read Assasinorum Kingmaker
it is good
and its a decently positive book
warm notch
yesss someone else suggested it here
warm notch
Most of the other stories on the top of my head are a lot more bitter than sweet...
thats totally fine
verbal path
Sike redacting that last one.
verbal path
Nah. Double Eagle is fine ish
storm jungle
yesss someone else suggested it here
Its a pretty fun book with basically no depressive tone.
Helsreach is just not really fun in comparison if thats what you are looking for. Its a good book but ||most of the main human cast just dies at the end which is not really a surprise for a space marine book.||
verbal path
If you don't want to read it there's the audio book animated series on YouTube, too
verbal path
storm jungle
||Andrej lives at least||
verbal path
||Andrej lives at least||
||He and a couple others make sure to keep quiet about it to not ruin the sole survivor story||
forest orbit
My favorite part of 40k is people saying a character gets development in one book before a future book by another author featuring the same person entirely ignores all of that
Grimaldus is up there as one of these examples.
green loom
storm jungle
green loom
forest orbit
And the Imperium is the best faction the galaxy got going for it atm. Its shitti...
They got nothing "good" going for it
its shittiness is not "irrelavent" either, dunno what you are smoking
forest orbit
that is in no way a good thing
Every Imperium defender says this before they realise they'd die in a factory working as slave labor
so 💀
river sequoia
My favorite faction is da orks, but I not gonna claim they are any hope for the galaxy. Necrons? They will either sleep or infight. Tau? A lil touch of choas and they will crumble. Eldar basically fuck up at every turn, dark eldar dont care. Tyranids are just hungry. Tell me what faction actually has their shit together more then the imperuim that isn't trying to burn the galaxy down?
verbal path
forest orbit
...
Do you like
read any Imperium books at all
Also like they are literally the genocidal maniacs that kill their own populace in the billions on a daily basis 💀
verbal path
Your first mistake was thinking there's any hope for the galaxy.
arctic talon
Its all doomed
urban spire
Every Imperium defender says this before they realise they'd die in a factory wo...
what?
river sequoia
A lot of them, and the imperuim sucks, really hard. But the writing for the other factions are worse.
forest orbit
Stop defending your faction and just enjoy the fact that they are evil
forest orbit
A lot of them, and the imperuim sucks, really hard. But the writing for the othe...
No?
urban spire
but i'm not an imperium defender
arctic talon
I LOVE BEING EVIL
forest orbit
have you like
arctic talon
RAAAAAAAAAH
forest orbit
read most Imperial books
forest orbit
💀
river sequoia
I have, have you?
verbal path
We're all going to die and the galaxy sucks but I'm going to live happy.
storm jungle
We're all going to die and the galaxy sucks but I'm going to live happy.
We will all die together
🙏
forest orbit
But like yeah the Imperium has bad books too, i got no idea what this guy is trying to say
green loom
Hell naw I'm dying alone
verbal path
Nothing in the galaxy matters? Then I'll be happy.
We do not succumb to nihilism here.
green loom
But like yeah the Imperium has bad books too, i got no idea what this guy is try...
3 thousand filler books of Lorgar
forest orbit
YEP
warm notch
The funniest thing is that even if the imperium survives they’re doomed anyway
green loom
More than tbh
forest orbit
which imperium fans literally shit on
forest orbit
I thought this guy was gonna do some imperium apologism
but i got book criticism instead
urban spire
the only thing i like about the imperium is the potential for interesting storytelling
storm jungle
I love depressed Imperial characters.
They remind me of me ❤️
urban spire
and heavy bolters, those are okay
verbal path
I like Imperium stories since they can show hopeful dudes against an uncaring universe.
green loom
I love depressed Imperial characters.
They remind me of me ❤️
I am literally Perturabo
arctic talon
good people in the imperium are fun to read about
it makes the setting even more bleak
but it shows that people can be good
storm jungle
Also I was occupied a second ago but @forest orbit @river sequoia stop fighting you two.
arctic talon
even in uh well
forest orbit
arctic talon
the imperium
river sequoia
I thought this guy was gonna do some imperium apologism
You brought it up, and be talking some mad trash on an opinion. I am pointing something common in the narritive. The imperuim isn't a hero, but they fight the villains, and that is what makes them interesting is all
arctic talon
the hope to make it all the more grimdark
verbal path
And grimderp is bad
forest orbit
You brought it up, and be talking some mad trash on an opinion. I am pointing so...
They are the villains you numbskull
river sequoia
Don't know what I did, not slinging the insults here
forest orbit
Me neither chief
verbal path
the hope to make it all the more grimdark
The hope helps illustrate just how bleak the setting is
river sequoia
Keeping a dumb and obvious argument going for starters lol
Compliance
urban spire
40k has one god of hope
forest orbit
Keeping a dumb and obvious argument going for starters lol
Aight mom 😔
urban spire
:)
arctic talon
The hope helps illustrate just how bleak the setting is <a:bcaApprovingNod:78464...
Suffering builds character or something
forest orbit
40k has one god of hope
MONEY
forest orbit
💀
arctic talon
SIGMAR
verbal path
BLESS THIS RAVAGED BODY
urban spire
sig who?
verbal path
Sugmar di-
arctic talon
warm notch
Dilaras away let’s have productive conversations
arctic talon
urban spire
why are they called the emperors children when they so dang old
grave sparrow
double irony
winter vessel
You every wonder if they average guardsman gets confused if they see Black Templars and Black Legion Chaos Astartes fight each other on the battlefield? Like “uh…who we fightin’ exactly?”
river sequoia
What is y'alls opinion on the ||cutest|| faction
Orks, they got grots
verbal path
You every wonder if they average guardsman gets confused if they see Black Templ...
The spikier ones, duh
river sequoia
Tell that to the Flesh Tearers in combat XD
winter vessel
Well yeah sure, but I’m fairly certain not every guardsman regiment in the Imperium is well educated on what the Chaos Space Marines(Black Legion) are. And even those who did end up knowing would get a bolt pistol to the face because some considered its heretical considered to know. So I figured they’ll only associate with the coat of paint when they see the emperor’s “avenging angels”
arctic talon
tbh
at this rate its sort of hard
to hide the truth about Daemons/Chaos in general lol
with the giant warp rift in the sky everyone can see and all
river sequoia
I think in general, its civilians who don't hear about choas, I think IG gets a bunch of pamplets on what to shoot at
verbal path
Honestly, the whole executed for seeing anything chaos related is always overblown, especially if you're a guardsman.
You shoot what you're ordered to shoot at.
arctic talon
yeah
thats one of those things thats very overblown
if you get into a scuffle with daemons uh
verbal path
Which is how some guard regiments get tricked to go rogue
verbal path
Ogryns get tricked to turning to Chaos real easily 
tulip brook
guards' orders for black legion v black templars skirmish must be don't get involved. only shoot someone if they are charging at you
river sequoia
Ogryns get tricked to turning to Chaos real easily <:Sitgryn:1016269420638765107...
Rations from sah is good sah
winter vessel
All the more reason why it was hilarious when the ecchlesiarchy of one planet was in the middle of a civil war over those preparing for the Tyranid threat and those who considered it heretical to even talk about them…as they were being invaded by the Tyranid threat. The planet went down faster than the rest.😂
verbal path
"Go kill those people, Ogryn, they're heretics!" -Actual traitor
verbal path
All the more reason why it was hilarious when the ecchlesiarchy of one planet wa...
My friends and I arguing on who repairs the ship in Sea of Thieves as we sink
arctic talon
All the more reason why it was hilarious when the ecchlesiarchy of one planet wa...
IMPERIUM STRONGEST EMPIRE IN WARHAMMER 💪
tulip brook
to be fair weakening planet's defenses with gsc infiltration is their tactic
so it's common for a planet being in the middle of civil war right before bug infestation
green loom
versed ledge
I just realized, we're the only fandom that doesn't want reality to become the universe we enjoy
Hive city life or agri-world life can't be that bad
verbal path
Hive city life or agri-world life can't be that bad
Define 'that bad'
versed ledge
quality of life stuff
arctic talon
Hive life city is pretty awful on average
storm jungle
^
arctic talon
agri-worlds vary quite a bit
storm jungle
No hive-city is ever nice
arctic talon
it could be nice
but it could also be
hellhole industrial farmhell 9000
which is a solid chunk of them
storm jungle
Yeah basically its just matter of "when is this agri-world gonna be sucked dry to meet quotas"
no one agri-world stays peaceful forever
forest orbit
I just realized, we're the only fandom that doesn't want reality to become the u...
Kinda
most sci-fi universes suck lol
Star Wars and Star Trek especially
40k is just a bit more blatant with its awfulness
storm jungle
Yeah you're never gonna catch me wanting to be in any fictional sci-fi universe lol
storm jungle
molten swan
fun fact, Ogryn psykers exist
crisp heath
Why cant FS include its vox videos in the game. I discovered them on youtube today.
I bet tons of players are in my shoes as well
green loom
I know its not
It is
patent ivy
Wait it is???
green loom
Albanians use what is basically the sign of the aquila
patent ivy
So my thought was right
storm jungle
Why cant FS include its vox videos in the game. I discovered them on youtube tod...
Because they are promotional material lmao
green loom
Hence my entirely unsinkable theory, that the Emperor and the Imperium are in truth, Albanian
crisp heath
Its mainly lore stories about tertium
storm jungle
I mean no?
crisp heath
How is it promotional?
crisp heath
Its vaguely a teaser for anything except a story about a game you have to know about in the first place.
forest orbit
Half the people that play the game dont give a crap about the transmissions, go ask general-chat rn if you want evidence
crisp heath
Its not advocating anything
forest orbit
genuinely no reason to add it
crisp heath
Its not promotional
forest orbit
idk go whine in theorycrafting then
arctic talon
forest orbit
green loom
It's a teaser with minor story implications, seems like promotional material to me
storm jungle
Yeah I don't know really know what else to say, its just that.
forest orbit
i mean yeah it aint that deep
knowing most of the users for this game literally nobody would listen to them even if they were ingame
green loom
Yeah the relatively small number of people what care about the story and such is why this chat is so tolerable
storm jungle
Pain.
plush mason
Star Wars and Star Trek especially
ngl i love that DS9 dialed back on the whole "utopia" thing the first 2 shows had
for star trek ofc
forest orbit
Same
such a utopia that they face a threat every episode
while your average crewman has a phaser that can insta-kill a space marine, I love Star Trek
scenic bolt
the vox broadcasts are basically the same thing as lohners journal entries in vt2
plush mason
such a utopia that they face a threat every episode
eh thats because the ship's whole job is to go into unexplored space lol. why they have the flag ship of the 3rd fleet doing such a mission and solo to boot is beyond me
forest orbit
my boys get into ALL kinds of trouble
plush mason
fly into a nebula that makes everyone sing
or one that makes everyone in it never want to leave
warp a little to fast and a little too close to a star an end up in 1850 lol
radiant lance
fun fact, Ogryn psykers exist <:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180926>
An ogryn psyker existed
No longer existing
queen laurel
More ogryns psykers are popping up
Yeah they are definitely rarer than a normal psyker but they are definitely popping up
storm jungle
Yeah thats the entire point of the Psychic Awakening
the characters also acknowledge it
lapis wadi
Guardsman Primer: Ogryns could always rarely become psykers, as we always said.
Remember, to doubt the Primer is to doubt the Emperor's Word!
storm jungle
What you call a Primer I call my breakfast, hand it over
queen laurel
Guardsman Primer: Ogryns could always rarely become psykers, as we always said.
...
This is the same primer that said that orks have weak hollow bones
lapis wadi
Yes.
queen laurel
My brother in christ i saw him cut jeremy in half
storm jungle
You were imagining it
queen laurel
With a sword made out of scrap metal that he just picked up
lapis wadi
Jeremy did not believe.
patent ivy
?
lapis wadi
Floorgryn
patent ivy
🤣
burnt ingot
why does anyone join nurgle after seeing 4 dude stomp through 1000 pox horde members? gotta be bad for pr
storm jungle
Simple answer; they are just plague-homies like that