40k-lore-chat

[brisk vine]

we don't talk about Zoats

[storm jungle]

They are neat tho 😩

[lapis wadi]

They were a different species that they enslaved

[burnt maple]

Zoats?

[warm notch]

if they're space nazis

who's turbo hitler

[storm jungle]

The Emperor

who else

[brisk vine]

Perturabo

[queen laurel]

reptilian centaurs basically

[storm jungle]

They were engineered

[burnt maple]

Kurze.

[warm notch]

The Emperor turned into Turbo Hitler for our sakes

He truly is the benificent master

[brisk vine]

to be fair to the emperor, given how bad things were by the time he decided it was time for him to get off the couch and do things

[queen laurel]

Yeah but the hive mind did the classic blunder of making something alive giving them personality

[lapis wadi]

Okay apparently the wiki doesn't know if they were made or enslaved by the 'nids

[brisk vine]

it wasn't like humanity had better options

[queen laurel]

We all know the best way to make life is to make sure it has less personality than a space marine

[storm jungle]

Classic 40k Wiki Moment

[warm notch]

Every fandom who uses fandom.wiki needs to gtfo

[queen laurel]

cool Common Lexicanum W

[burnt maple]

Lexicanum seems neglected tho.

[storm jungle]

What no

[queen laurel]

it's not though it gets updated

[storm jungle]

it gets updated extremely frequently

[lapis wadi]

Okay I'll use Lexicanum.
It says engineered slave race. That's just ambiguous.

[queen laurel]

Also fandom wiki is literally losing people

[warm notch]

I'm biased because I play Warframe

and I hate the fandom wiki for Warframe

[storm jungle]

Thats lore from Rogue Trader, so thats why

[queen laurel]

Because it was having a problem

[warm notch]

because fandom wiki just bombards you with ads and shit

[storm jungle]

the source is cited at the bottom

[verbal path]

It's fine, even the Warhammer site doesn't know what they are

"Look, we’re going to level with you, we don’t really know what a Zoat is.*"

[green loom]

You know who practices mass sterilization?

[warm notch]

Zoat? Zebra boat?

[green loom]

I'll give you a hint

It starts with "Imperium"
And ends with
"of Man"

[storm jungle]

Lmfao

[burnt maple]

Lol what.

[warm notch]

Can I have another hint

[storm jungle]

sterilizaton by the Imperium is the least worst thing they'll do to tbh

[brisk vine]

see, at least Zoats in fantasy had semi-concrete lore

[green loom]

Well yeah typically they just kill the bastards and get on with it

[storm jungle]

Lmao

[queen laurel]

Yeah it doesn't help they have genocide racism another layer of racism and another layer of racism and then another layer of racism

[lapis wadi]

I guess you could sort of see genestealers as the 'nids equivalent of diplomacy

[burnt maple]

What do they even sterilize? Xenos? XD

[storm jungle]

Their own race

[green loom]

Imperials

[storm jungle]

you know

the countless humans they butcher every day

because lmao

[lapis wadi]

Humans who's genetic material isn't deemed pure enough

[brisk vine]

This is in the context of xenos having chill

[lapis wadi]

Abhumans

[storm jungle]

Not sus at all

[brisk vine]

It's 40k, grimdark is generated if there isn't enough of it

[lapis wadi]

A planet that they don't want the population to grow any more

[burnt maple]

Abhumansyou say.

[warm notch]

B-B-But you don't understand

[green loom]

Yeah but funny

[brisk vine]

and Tau just

[warm notch]

The Imperium needs to be turbo nazis

[burnt maple]

Meh, expected.

[warm notch]

its for the good of mankind 😭

[brisk vine]

didn't get enough grimdark apparently?

[storm jungle]

Least friendly Imperium Enjoyer 💀

[green loom]

@storm jungle I forget, did the inquisition mention sterilizing the Cadians in Fall, or were they just going to kill them

[warm notch]

You like the Imperium of mankind because you think they're based. I like the Imperium of mankind because haha funny toy soldiers

[verbal path]

They get even more grimdark in the 4th sphere of expansion.

[burnt maple]

Who is the most friendly then? XD how do they act?

[warm notch]

space primates

[storm jungle]

Mass sterilization was post-war on Armageddon, where the Inquisiton wanted to get all the Legionaries that fought with the Space Wolves and Grey Knights then send them off to die in concentration camps.

[brisk vine]

Turns out Farsight may have been right

[storm jungle]

the Inquisition just wanted to kill the Cadians en-masse

[warm notch]

Ayo?

[green loom]

Close enough

[storm jungle]

Yep

[warm notch]

They wanted to get rid of Cadians? lmao

[brisk vine]

I like them because they have Imperial Knights, and Imperial Knights are COOL

[warm notch]

Is it cuz of the eyes

[burnt maple]

Why?

[green loom]

The ones on cadia yeah

[storm jungle]

They saw the grey knights and a daemon primarch

[brisk vine]

Exposure to [REDACTED]

[queen laurel]

Literally the imperium if a planet just exists but it does not have most pure genetic human DNA

[burnt maple]

Oh.

[verbal path]

They took their first deep attempt into the Warp and came out traumatized and started butchering their auxiliaries.

[storm jungle]

But like even if they didnt saw a daemon primarch they'd still be getting the fate for seeing the grey knights

[warm notch]

most friendly Imperium of Man citizen

[green loom]

The Cadians survived a massed invasion by the Black Legion and saw a LOT of shit including Daemon Prince transformations and alien BS

[warm notch]

don't the rejects talk about the grey knights

🤔

[storm jungle]

Yeah in passing as a legend

and that they cant be surely real

[green loom]

It wasn't considered a big deal since the number of cadians off world vastly outnumbered the surviving ones

[burnt maple]

Well, its fucking Cadia. The fuck they expect?

[lapis wadi]

I think the "kill anyone who is even aware of them" lore has been dropped

[brisk vine]

I'm still betting that Ethereals are behind it all

[storm jungle]

Nope, its still there

and about as dumb

[green loom]

Also typically

If GK show up

[burnt maple]

It really is dumb.

[warm notch]

is their chapter so secretive because they're all psykers and that literally goes against the entire Imperium's dogma?

[green loom]

Chances are you're dead already

[verbal path]

Just seeing the grey knights isn't enough to get you killed. It's seeing what they've been called to fight that gets you.

[queen laurel]

Not as dumb as that time they met sisters of battle and did something that Khorne loved

[lapis wadi]

We're Inquisitorial soldiers too, under an Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor.
We're the ones who would be providing support, we should probably be allowed to know they exist at least

[burnt maple]

Nah. It is because it was written by Our Spiritual Liege.

[brisk vine]

DO NOT INVOKE HIM

[green loom]

The sisters did that willingly for the record which is entirely in character for them

[storm jungle]

this lore was post Matt Ward

[warm notch]

Elaborate?

[burnt maple]

The fucker jackedto his own shitty books.

Who? Matt Ward.

[storm jungle]

Matt Ward was forced by GW to write the edgy lore for GK and Ultramarines.

and people harass him because of it

like 10 years later

[burnt maple]

Fucker responsible for GK lore, a writer.

[green loom]

Over a decade yeah

[storm jungle]

Yeah just let it go

[brisk vine]

Sisters of Battle and suffering horribly in any media in which they're depicted

[warm notch]

So there's like no justifiable reason as to why they're so secretive except "funni"

[brisk vine]

Name a more iconic 40k combo

[queen laurel]

Really

[warm notch]

WAIT WAIT WAIT

[queen laurel]

that makes it feel a little better i suppose

[green loom]

All codices overplay their factions, it's called Flavour Text

[warm notch]

You mean to tell me that the Sisters of Battle are FRIDGED

[storm jungle]

Fridged?

[burnt maple]

Yes.

[warm notch]

The fucking GIRLBOSS WARRIOR SPACE NUNS are FRIDGED???

[lapis wadi]

what?

[storm jungle]

the hell 💀

[warm notch]

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StuffedIntoTheFridge

I'm mostly joking

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah Sisters have been shat on for years

[burnt maple]

Indeed.

[storm jungle]

it was only when they got their range refresh that they got some more respect again

[green loom]

Matt Ward was overhated to hell and back because he wrote like, slightly UM/GK flavoured lore

[warm notch]

Even girlbosses can't escape being fridged

[lapis wadi]

They're manic, masochist, feral and tortured zealots with more budget than some planets

[warm notch]

This is so sad

[queen laurel]

Bro in Pariah the Motha Fucka got 360d

[lapis wadi]

Bro
what does that word MEAN

[storm jungle]

Yeah after kicking ass for 2 episodes

[green loom]

Morons who don't do their own research never realize he was a rules guy, not a lore guy

[queen laurel]

Yeah definitely did pretty well

[green loom]

Also he wrote Vermintide 1 and 2

And Battlefield Gothic

[queen laurel]

Tropes have always had very specific names

[verbal path]

IIRC they either didn't have a gellar field when they went into the Warp or it broke mid jump

[green loom]

But people tend to just forget thwt

[lapis wadi]

Okay so please tell me what the term means, I am asking you to define it

[arctic talon]

tbf he didnt' write all the dialogue for 1

[brisk vine]

Doesn't their FTL rely on barely skimming the warp?

[verbal path]

Why learn when you can just parrot stale memes

[arctic talon]

he only wrote Baradin and Kerellian(of course he wrote the wood elf)

[green loom]

It's when something exists 99% for misery porn

[arctic talon]

but he wrote everyones dialogue in 2

[brisk vine]

why would they even have gellar fields?

[verbal path]

This was their test for a "proper" warp travel.

[brisk vine]

Yeah uh

[lapis wadi]

And it's called Fridged? Weird.
But I get what was being said now at least

[warm notch]

'Fridged' means that a character dies in a massively cheap way in order to further someone's character development

[green loom]

For the record isolated tests were successful

[verbal path]

They reverse engineered an Imperial warp drive

[brisk vine]

In a post Cicatrix Maledictum universe

That seems like an awful idea

[burnt maple]

People age and change. So he can't be all bad and evil I say.

[verbal path]

This was pre blow up of Cadia iirc

[arctic talon]

It was

[green loom]

Your previous comments betray a different opinion

[burnt maple]

Andif he wrote v2, then I know now, why Kerillian is INSUFFERABLE.

[arctic talon]

when they tested it alone they didn't go all the way into the warp

[green loom]

And an astute lack of info

[queen laurel]

Tau can Make their own Geller fields to be fair if they have the technology they recovered

[arctic talon]

He wrote V1 Kerellian and Baradin

[brisk vine]

In a normal universe, it is also a bad idea

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

Get over it

[queen laurel]

right now i'm pretty sure they still warp skim

[arctic talon]

Kerellian is also like a very nice wood elf lol

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/get-real-cat-skate-funny-meme-gif-18666878

[green loom]

Just more horseshit 1d4chan crap

[lapis wadi]

Tau tried warp skimming, then they started using gravtiational drives.. I think called ether drives? It's what they mostly use now, kinda mass effect-y as I understand it.
They also tried some pseudo-Imperial thing with anti-matter and accidentally tore open a wormhole

[arctic talon]

She actually gives a shit

about the Ubersriek 5

also baradin is an unbelivebly nice Dwarf as well

[warm notch]

Kerillian called Sienna her . . . friend

[arctic talon]

Baradin and Kerellian are both weirdos

[storm jungle]

Bardin is genuinely the best dwarf in warhammer

[warm notch]

Its a cold day in hell

[green loom]

He doesn't behead the elf right away for knee

[queen laurel]

Yeah surprisingly he isn't the most racist of dwarfs

[arctic talon]

among Dwarfs and Wood Elves

[green loom]

*one

[burnt maple]

My previous statement was addressing old stuff, not more recent stuff. I see no isdue.

[queen laurel]

he gets along with the elf

[verbal path]

All of the Ubersreik 4 or 5 are very nice for their race

[lapis wadi]

All of Tau's FTL options are hella slow compared to deep warp travel, but ether drives don't put you in a psyhic hellscape

[queen laurel]

For a dwarf anyway

[arctic talon]

beyond just being racist he also doesn't see all the humans as incredibly inferior

or just

get set off by everything

[brisk vine]

REMEMBER THE WAR OF VENGEANCE

REMEMBER STARBREAKER

[queen laurel]

Yeah i like him he's my favorite dwarf character in media

[warm notch]

Don't humans and dwarves have a good relationship with each other?

[brisk vine]

Imperial humans, mostly

[arctic talon]

barely lol

[brisk vine]

Bretonnians are kinda ehhhh

[warm notch]

Hence why Saltzpyre calls Bardin 'Master Dwarf'

[queen laurel]

They have the most stable quote UN quote

[warm notch]

fair

[arctic talon]

Dwarfs and Humans have a decently good relationship

[brisk vine]

Humans look up to dwarfs

[arctic talon]

But like

[storm jungle]

Basically it depends from hold to hold

[green loom]

Humans and dwarfs tolerate each other because they don't actively want each other dead

[brisk vine]

Dwarfs look down on humans

[storm jungle]

Dwarves fucking hate humans mostly

[green loom]

Until you wrong a dwarf anyway

[arctic talon]

Yeah dwarfs on average

hate humans lol

[burnt maple]

I did a couple years back. Just found her nastiness tunedup to oblivion in v2 kinda weird.

[arctic talon]

they think they're dumb

[queen laurel]

the elf worshipping [ REDACTED ]

[arctic talon]

magic using idiots

that don't respect tradition enough

[brisk vine]

Stop

it hurts

It still

hurts

[storm jungle]

Warhammer dwarves once burnt down an entire imperial town because they missed 1 digit in their payment

[verbal path]

Bardin, Moradin forgive me, uses new technology.

[warm notch]

so if Cousin Okri is the Chuck Norris of Warhammer Fantasy, who's the Cousin Okri of Warhammer 40k

[storm jungle]

[burnt maple]

Ah, dawinlore xD

[queen laurel]

sounds like the IRS they ain't special

[green loom]

Are we talking full on parallel?
Cus then it's old Sly

[burnt maple]

Dawi lore*

[arctic talon]

She's being an asshole because she's trying to push everyone away. She doesn't want to get connected to the Ubersriek 5 which is why she keeps trying to get them to hate her

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/irs-tax-tax-evasion-irs-is-coming-tax-day-gif-23643319

[green loom]

Who's literally just the chuck Norris "meme" but 40k flavoured

[arctic talon]

she also like

actually does care about the 5

[fair gate]

https://youtu.be/nmVdSyIaWso?si=dkKl8-LpF7NIRWQq

[arctic talon]

in her own strange way

[queen laurel]

There is the obvious contender Sly Marbo

But his memes are not funny anymore

[arctic talon]

point being if we wanted an archatypical Wood elf or Dwarf

[verbal path]

They did refuse to pay it and dared the dwarfs to attack them

[arctic talon]

the 5 would be dead

[green loom]

Implying they ever where

[burnt maple]

A curious take, I admit. Never lookedtoo deep.

[green loom]

Or the literal witch hunter

[queen laurel]

they used to be now they are just overdone basically

[warm notch]

In latest voice lines she shows concern over Sienna's necromantic turnover and calls her her 'friend'

[brisk vine]

Any other witch hunter would have shot Sienna eons ago

[queen laurel]

I don't know I have a positive outlook in life

[green loom]

Yeah lucky for us Saltzpyre is the single most pragmatic witch hunter in existence

[arctic talon]

Also Saltzpyre is very very very restricted for a witch hunter as well yeah

[storm jungle]

They are stunty little fucks so I don't really blame em

[arctic talon]

there's also like

Kruber is like

the most archetypical person in the party lol

Sienna is not an archetypical mage by any measure of the word

[green loom]

I'm surprised he doesn't go murder crazy on necrosienna considering his backstory

[verbal path]

The dwarfs made the town and they unmade it.

[arctic talon]

He cares about Sienna too much

is the answer

[warm notch]

You can tell Kruber has some deeply fucked up skeletons in his closet (that Sienna can conveniently drag back out) but he doesn't let it bother him

He's a true chad

[arctic talon]

Kruber has a fuck ton of skeletons

in his closet

[green loom]

She should probably sound more like our psykers

[brisk vine]

Just an average Taal loving Talabeclander

[warm notch]

The worst part is that he's Br*tish

🤢

[queen laurel]

how to disrespect a dwarf

1. Become extremely strong

2. once you are strong enough grab them by the beard

3. Repeatedly slam them down to the floor until they can no longer move

[burnt maple]

What.

[storm jungle]

Sienna has more skeletons

literally

[arctic talon]

LOL

[storm jungle]

[verbal path]

Mod game so you can have 4 Sienna

[storm jungle]

that would make uhhh

[arctic talon]

but my point being is that the 5 are all very nice

[verbal path]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-gif-7492450338569660588

[storm jungle]

24 skeleton goons?

💀

[warm notch]

Kruber is so chill despite everything its hilarious

[queen laurel]

Still crazy though that the skeletons are a lot more interesting than Bretonnians

[brisk vine]

HEY

[arctic talon]

Also Kerellian and Baradin making fun of his dead family 💀

in VT2

[brisk vine]

I take that personally

[storm jungle]

Its always the cheerful ones that are the most damaged

[warm notch]

Imagine being a Br*ton

[arctic talon]

is kinda fucked lol

[verbal path]

My friend was hyping them up and then I watched them just get bodied by a mino

[arctic talon]

hyping who up?

[verbal path]

Sienna skellies

[arctic talon]

oh

lol

[warm notch]

Also the fact that Saltzpyre and Kruber are collaborating with both of their deities to see what they can do for Sienna is just 😭

[brisk vine]

I have been grieving for years

[storm jungle]

I love playing Necromancer

I just summon them and go

"GOONS, GET EM"

[verbal path]

I could hear the bowling pin crash when they died

[queen laurel]

they definitely seem fun

[warm notch]

Saltzpyre x Sienna toxic yuri

[burnt maple]

Necromancers everywhere rock.

[queen laurel]

i like the ones that have armor and heavy weapons

[green loom]

What do you mean my enjoyment of a horribly bleak setting where death is assured and hope is a lost cause, is indicative of my mental state?

[warm notch]

Enemies to lovers toxic yuri lets go

[green loom]

This is just Celefax

[burnt maple]

Jackie, slow down.

[warm notch]

[verbal path]

Nah Jackie, keep going

[warm notch]

It just sucks that after everything the crew have been through in VT2 including dangerous pilgrimages into uncharted chaos-ridden landscapes that their relationships are crumbling cuz of Sienna's sibling issues

I wonder where they'll go from here

[storm jungle]

Simple

[arctic talon]

well

[storm jungle]

the planet will explode

[arctic talon]

Middenheim

They're gona go to middenheim

[warm notch]

Can't they go into space? Are they stupid?

[storm jungle]

You say this

[burnt maple]

Yep, the planet will explode.

[storm jungle]

but the Lizardmen did that

💀

THEY JUST GOT INTO SPACESHIPS AND LEFT

[verbal path]

https://tenor.com/view/lizard-man-hand-gestures-animation-cartoon-gif-17810067

[burnt maple]

Rly.

[warm notch]

Wait its the entire planet? I thought it was like the entire universe

Or plane of existence

[storm jungle]

Nah

[warm notch]

whatever

[storm jungle]

warhammer fantasy takes place on a single planet

[storm jungle]

you DING DONG

[warm notch]

😭

[arctic talon]

tbf

[queen laurel]

One of the entries was that orcs come from space apparently too

[arctic talon]

4 of the 5 can come back in AoS

except for like

[warm notch]

Bardin is damned

This is so sad

[storm jungle]

Kerillian is uh

[queen laurel]

or one of the proposed ideas

[storm jungle]

going straight to Slaanesh' gut

💀

[arctic talon]

Kerellian is going to have mega PTSD

at best

lol

[storm jungle]

LEL

[green loom]

She's just a tree now

[storm jungle]

also yeah if Vermintide 3 gets made

[arctic talon]

being a tree isn't so bad

[storm jungle]

it will be in AoS

[arctic talon]

you just get to

kill people

[warm notch]

is turbo ptsd worse than mega ptsd

[warm notch]

fr

[arctic talon]

No

[verbal path]

Little did the lizards know the skaven corrupted space.

[green loom]

Also they could just pull a fkn

Gotrek

And just show up one day

[arctic talon]

If we want to turn the suffering porn up to 10,000 make Kerellian an Idoneth

You can never fucking escape

the nightmares

[queen laurel]

Wolf please

[arctic talon]

Sea elves

[verbal path]

Why would I want to see elves?

[storm jungle]

Because people like em

[brisk vine]

I just want my knights who worship the Lady of the Lake back

[green loom]

Well their gimmick is that you forget about them

[arctic talon]

they are generally actually not assholes in WHF lol

[green loom]

So there's that ig

[storm jungle]

what grimdank memes does to a mfer

[arctic talon]

Like the elves unironically saved the planet like

[verbal path]

Tell that to kerillian players

[arctic talon]

several times in fantasy lol

[brisk vine]

Yes

[arctic talon]

Kerellian is a wood elf

she doesn't count

[storm jungle]

I love how people say this when every bad player i met was a slayer player

[brisk vine]

High Elves are actually heroic and probably deserve to be a little snooty in fantasy

[storm jungle]

[verbal path]

Bro I can't even find slayer players

[warm notch]

I'm a Huntsman main

How rare am I

[brisk vine]

Compared to 40k Eldar who just

[arctic talon]

High Elves have earned their ego in fantasy, and they unironically are like

not assholes

[burnt maple]

Lucky bleeder.

[storm jungle]

I literally find them in 4/6 matches

[arctic talon]

normally lol

[verbal path]

They're all fucking ironbreakers or minigun boys

[storm jungle]

all they do is die

[brisk vine]

kinda did nothing to help most people

[storm jungle]

and be useless

lmao

[green loom]

I can't play vermintide 2

[verbal path]

Canon

[arctic talon]

Craftworld Eldar in 40k

[green loom]

If I try multiplayer

[arctic talon]

are busy trying to not die

[storm jungle]

When that death is not heroic no

[brisk vine]

I mean I get that

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

Some asshole catapults ahead and leaves me to kill e rything

[storm jungle]

^

[brisk vine]

But they can stop being so snooty about it

[queen laurel]

I mean to be fair it is lore accurate

[storm jungle]

Slayer players are awful

[green loom]

Vermintide players are awful

[storm jungle]

So is my boot going up their ass and to the kick button

[burnt maple]

Imagine playing tide games.

Smh.

[verbal path]

True

[green loom]

Darktide meanwhile is based and awesome and is way better fr fr

[arctic talon]

lol

[queen laurel]

yeah it is accurate to the dilara rage lore

[storm jungle]

also

"Damn theres no elf in Darktide who can we hate"

camera pan to psyker

[arctic talon]

the psyker and zealot

are both very hateable

lol

[storm jungle]

zealots are awful

holy shit

LMAO

[arctic talon]

if you wana be insetting hater

[green loom]

Omw to bully Jean for Psyker ig

[storm jungle]

lore accurate i guess

[arctic talon]

Hate the zealot and pyker lol

[queen laurel]

Judge is the only one that I can tolerate for even a second in a room

[green loom]

Judge is based

[queen laurel]

the other two not so much

[burnt maple]

Zealots are awful indeed.

[storm jungle]

Loner says it best

"The usual ranter seems absent from his pulpit, I guess the traitors did the locals a favor."

[queen laurel]

Because judge actually is a good man that can judge people

[verbal path]

My optimal party is just three ogryns with me

[green loom]

I've been kinda toying with the idea of making art of the personalities

[brisk vine]

Ogryn most loveable party member

[verbal path]

Psyker and zealot voices are

[green loom]

It'd be a nice study

[burnt maple]

Do elaborate.

[queen laurel]

Also it's very nice that all three of their personalities start with the letter B

Bully, Bodyguard, Brawler

Consistent theming I like it

[warm notch]

Female Agitator Zealot is pretty tragic lmao

[brisk vine]

Bullgryn

[warm notch]

She's in a perpetual state of a crisis in faith

[green loom]

I'd grab all 3 personalities and design a character from them

Mostly based on darktide armours

[queen laurel]

ohh that is a good idea

[warm notch]

I kinda want to make a new character and run her because she's so damn contemptible generally

[burnt maple]

Sounds cool.

[green loom]

Like for zealot

[queen laurel]

I've just been playing ogryn my entire game time but I want to try veteran but the problem is it's playing veteran

[brisk vine]

Female Judge was my go to for Zealot

[storm jungle]

I agree lmao

I tried one zealot and the moment she said its the poor underhiver's fault for being miserable and that they should respect the rich nobility I was like "get the fuck outta here"

[green loom]

Judge strikes me as a vigilante, he'd look rugged/humble, practicing what he preaches

[storm jungle]

Instant delete

Re-select to judge

[green loom]

Preacher would be wearing the fancy penance gear

[warm notch]

She's a very tragic character all things considered though

[green loom]

Agitator would be a raving lunatic

[warm notch]

Much more interesting than the other personalities imo

[verbal path]

Those poor hivers should pick themselves up by their bootstraps

[burnt maple]

BASED.

[storm jungle]

"Just not be poor."

[verbal path]

Exactly

[green loom]

Which is the zealot that speaks fancy

Preacher right?

[verbal path]

How to not be poor: get money

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/risa-bezos-speedball-gif-19767177

[queen laurel]

The first idea is go to chaos

they provide health care

[warm notch]

I instantly fawned over Fem Judge Zealot because I'm Asian and I appreciate that she has such a distinct accent

[queen laurel]

By madman standards

[storm jungle]

shes also the poster zealot

We keep winning

[warm notch]

yaaaas

[storm jungle]

A lot of people got mad that she was asian when the game got announced

[green loom]

I must now play bully ogryn because he sounds vaguely Slavic

[storm jungle]

[burnt maple]

Lets go!

[warm notch]

In the other promo materials she was Agitator Zealot

Which also fit well lmao

[storm jungle]

Yeah her personalities overlap

[queen laurel]

Yeah the runts are mad at it again

[storm jungle]

Shes a mix of Judge and Agitator in some promo vids

[queen laurel]

didn't you say you didn't like him

[green loom]

I don't

[verbal path]

Which zealot voice is painfully scottish

[green loom]

But I also hate myself so hey, it fits

[storm jungle]

Fanatic

WATCH OUT KINDRED

YON BARREL

[queen laurel]

that is true that is true

[burnt maple]

I remade my ogryn into the food focused one.

[green loom]

Mine is

[storm jungle]

Brawler, the "yes sah" one

[green loom]

Uh

[warm notch]

I really do want to see more agitators. They're probably the unicorns of any personality ...

[green loom]

Brawler yeah

[warm notch]

Well, maybe Female professional Vet

[burnt maple]

Indeed ❤️

[queen laurel]

Brawler is unfortunately the most stupid of the three

[verbal path]

BLOOD FOR THE EMPRAH. SKULLS FER THE GOLDEN THRONE

[green loom]

I want to make a cadian vet

[warm notch]

I don't think I've literally played with a Fem Professional Vet ever 💀

[queen laurel]

His implant is straight up cooking his brain

[storm jungle]

Female Agitator BARELY EVER gets picked. I've never heard her voice in a lot of matches.

[burnt maple]

Clickswith me then.

[queen laurel]

ay

[warm notch]

Guess that's gonna be my 5th character lol

[storm jungle]

lmao

[verbal path]

I wish I could change character voices x.x

[warm notch]

The Chirurgeon can do so much

[green loom]

Same, I don't want to remake my vet main, I almost have 250 runs with him

[queen laurel]

speaking of voices it's very common to find Brawler as an ogryn here

[burnt maple]

What. Best voice!

[undone zodiac]

Which was that psyker who mutters of emps being his boyfriend

[queen laurel]

i don't hear bodyguard as much and the last one is definitely bully i very rarely hear him

[warm notch]

I also never match with Fem Seer Psykers

[green loom]

Seer

I think

[verbal path]

At least let gear be cross character

[warm notch]

tho I play as one so I hear her voice every game

[queen laurel]

i meant to say common my bad

[verbal path]

Fuck doing the gear and blessing grind again

[burnt maple]

Fr fr.

[warm notch]

true

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ghost-barrel-explode-fly-gif-10528166394804192796

[warm notch]

Honestly I think the only class that has an almost even split between all personalities is Vet

I hear all three male ones often

[green loom]

I hear loose Cannon the least

[queen laurel]

In my experience the most common is professional

[green loom]

Cut throat/professional a ton

[storm jungle]

According to Fatshark data the Professional is the most picked one

[warm notch]

The most common female one is loose cannon while the other two . . . I literally never hear

[burnt maple]

I have a loose cannon.

[warm notch]

I don't remember ever playing with a Fem Professional or a fem cutthroat

[queen laurel]

That's very weird because I hear a lot of people praise his voice my veteran is even him

[green loom]

Fem cut throat isn't bad

[warm notch]

I wouldn't know 😭

[burnt maple]

Rerolled from Cadian cuz fuck me, was I getti g tired of Cadia this, Cadia that.

[storm jungle]

Fem Cutthroat sounds like a british girl that would rob me while im leaving a pub

Oh man really

they entirely stop mentioning cadia once you level up

It was VERY common complaint during release

[verbal path]

Nah. Mine still talks about Cadia at 30

[undone zodiac]

Irish female psyker is really painful to listen

[verbal path]

[burnt maple]

She never stopped mentioning Cadia.

[green loom]

Professional just gives me kruber vibes, and as a kruber main it was the obvious choice

[warm notch]

Which one is that?

[storm jungle]

They talk less once you level up

[queen laurel]

That's development that I am willing to accept because it makes them shut up about Cadia

like I swear to God I will literally ascend to God reconstruct Cadia and then throw a Blackstone fortress at it again right in front of them

[storm jungle]

low level Cutthroat is just CONSTANT Cadia

[storm jungle]

I genuinely hate Female Seer

her voice is so annoying

lmao

[warm notch]

😭

[storm jungle]

SHE IS

[warm notch]

this is an attack on my person

[storm jungle]

Every other psyker is great

[warm notch]

I've never felt so offended

[undone zodiac]

I want to duct tape her head

[verbal path]

My psykers the one that keeps going on about the Lex

[green loom]

She sounds like a worse Sienna

[storm jungle]

This.

[warm notch]

Dilara is uninvited to my birthday party

[storm jungle]

its like a really annoying old lady voice

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/goodbye-chat-darktide-40k-warhammer-warhammer-darktide-gif-8052621726047573409

[warm notch]

inb4 Dilara bans me

[burnt maple]

XD

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-darktide-sharpshooter-darktide-veteran-hello-chat-darktide-hello-chat-gif-2742873438399829862

[queen laurel]

Don't worry we call her grandma if she starts getting a little picky with the guns

[warm notch]

these are good im saving these

[queen laurel]

usually works most of the time but i have lost like

[warm notch]

wait

[queen laurel]

Five of my replacement legs

[warm notch]

whats the difference between a witchfinder and a witchhunter??

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-veteran-psyker-warhammer-40k-gif-9253053506377376083

[storm jungle]

Uhhhh

[green loom]

She finds the pretty witches

[verbal path]

One finds them while the other hunts them.

[storm jungle]

lmao wow

[warm notch]

oxymoron

none exist

[green loom]

Am I wrong?

[warm notch]

I will say the absolute worst personality is Fem Savant Psyker

Because Fr*nch

[verbal path]

[warm notch]

(I'm kidding it's Male Cutthroat)

[storm jungle]

LMAO WOW

Male Cadian is great shut up

[warm notch]

He's great because he's so awful

He shittalks so much and I love it

[green loom]

I find his voice weirdly pleasant

[warm notch]

He's such a little shithead who's softer than he lets on

[storm jungle]

Yeah when he actually acts nice its very funny, to ogryns especially

[queen laurel]

i love the part where he comforted Brawler because he doesn't want to be lobotomized by Hadron

[green loom]

I mean, being Cadian, he's a literal child soldier

[warm notch]

I say "worst" as a compliment

[storm jungle]

"You shot me boss!"

"MY BAD BIG MAN"

[verbal path]

The male cadian voice had a nice interaction with ogryn where he goes on about making sure to not make friends

And the ogryn just says he'll still be friends with him

[warm notch]

I will say that the worst personality is probably Judge Zealot cuz . . . they're just so one-note?

[storm jungle]

wow

[warm notch]

idk there's nothing too fun with them

[storm jungle]

now i will break your legs

[warm notch]

Don't get me wrong I love judge zealots

I PLAY AS A JUDGE ZEALOT

HOLD ON

ASEFJISOAEFAES

[storm jungle]

[outer wave]

Wow say that to the VA's face I dare you

[warm notch]

Its the lines

They need more

[undone zodiac]

[verbal path]

Ah ah ah no backtracking

[warm notch]

They don't really say anything interesting ig

[outer wave]

I think thats just zealots tbh

They're just sorta one note

[queen laurel]

Hold on let me repurpose the fanatic torture device

[green loom]

Brawler: "Don't think I like metal face, she keeps watching me"
Hadron(quietly): "what a ridiculous assertion, you are paranoid!"
Brawler: "you hear that sah? She's watchin me agaaain sah!"
Cutthroat: "Didn't hear a thing, definitely didn't hear her call you paranoid"

[warm notch]

Agitator Zealot is an amazing personality and I will die on this hill

[queen laurel]

it's has been lying there collecting dust for like the past five years now

[outer wave]

Except the one line from the male Irish voice

[queen laurel]

ohh that's my favorite

[warm notch]

Fanatic Zealots are great lol

[outer wave]

Where he literally goes "I CAN BURN A MAN WITHOUT GETTING ARRESTED!!"

[warm notch]

They're unusually kind

[verbal path]

I never hear what zealots say because they're always fucked off somewhere

[green loom]

https://youtu.be/3OdzrUVpJWI?si=24AFRaSqxOZWC3DZ

[outer wave]

I find the Female Fanatic voice to be my favorite but Im also a sucker for Irish accents

Ladies if you're Irish hit me up in my DMs pleas--

[warm notch]

She uses the fucking intercom to deliver that voiceline 💀

[storm jungle]

HERLIN' GRENEEEEID

[warm notch]

Instead of the normal vox communications

Its such a hilarious joke

[undone zodiac]

Agitator zealot is only acceptable on groundkeeper willie

[queen laurel]

No it's directly put in his brain actually

Brawler's Implant

You can theoretically hack into that

[green loom]

Cutthroat heard it

[storm jungle]

WATCH OUT KINDRED, YON BARREL-

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ghost-barrel-explode-fly-gif-10528166394804192796

[warm notch]

its the intercom

[outer wave]

DAT'S ONE LESS TOASTIE

[green loom]

That's part of the joke

[queen laurel]

yeah that is true

[queen laurel]

you definitely shot the barrel didn't you

[outer wave]

[green loom]

Would you expect her to do anything different?

[queen laurel]

Nah

give her a sniper rifle and the barrel kill counts about to be crazy

[green loom]

Yeah, friendly fire kill count

[queen laurel]

It's like homelander going ham in an orphanage

[green loom]

[storm jungle]

My favorite part of reading Death and the End Vol2?

Sanguinius getting bounced around by all the barrels

same with Big E and his Custodians

very weird thing to include

but i respect Abnett for his commitment

[green loom]

Dilara

[queen laurel]

Dilara bored and decided to start the Horus heresy

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

Have you gotten to the bit where they dig up a passage from end volume 1

[storm jungle]

yes

im going insane

[warm notch]

Did you get to the part where Horus Heresy went "Its Heresying time" and proceeded to Heresy all over everybody?

[verbal path]

[green loom]

No you aren't, going insane implies you were sane to begin with

The possibility of which I doubt seeing as you mod this place

[warm notch]

Imagine being a discord moderator

Let alone for a 40k discord

[verbal path]

Not just a discord mod

40k video game discord mod.

[storm jungle]

[warm tinsel]

you mean the part where they all go nuts

[warm notch]

why are beasts of nurgle created to be tragic creatures

[warm tinsel]

that part is sick

[warm notch]

what happens if they truly were nurtured with the love they craved

[verbal path]

They just want a hug

Give it to them

[storm jungle]

Its very cool but Abnett is really trying my patience

[green loom]

It's become a bi-daily thing for me to take a glance at meme chat and start funneling racist stuff to the mods

[storm jungle]

Yeah

thats fun

💀

[warm notch]

Holy shit is that why there's a chat timer lmao

[storm jungle]

Nah its because the chat wont stfu

[green loom]

It was a minute a few days ago

[storm jungle]

^

[warm notch]

#40k-lore-chat is superior anyway

[green loom]

Gawain lowered it to 30 secs I think

[warm notch]

. . . do people really think we have productive conversations about the LORE in this chat?

[green loom]

Truly we are enlightened minds

[queen laurel]

That is facts now say the judge zealot is good

[queen laurel]

If people can say that the tyranids are a parody of Jews do not believe them

[green loom]

Jokes aside we typically manage to stay relatively on topic most of the time

[warm notch]

https://i.imgur.com/cS6cOS5.png

[verbal path]

[queen laurel]

Yeah but it's very common for us to derail directly into a wall

[warm notch]

I'm the root cause for most of the conversation derailments

[green loom]

Doesn't last for 6 hours like meme chat though

[warm notch]

True

[green loom]

Just means we're better general chat

[queen laurel]

Ah you haven't met valhallan Jay

[warm notch]

I usually do have legitimate questions 💀

[queen laurel]

We had an extensive talk of five nights of freddy's dreadnoughts once

[warm notch]

do you think Big E would've loved FNAF?

What about the Matpat fellow?

[green loom]

Matpat is one of the lost primarchs

[queen laurel]

Shut Yo [ REDACTED ]

[warm notch]

but hey thats just a theory

Off-topic but I viscerally screamed when I saw Matpat show up in the FNAF movie

[green loom]

A 40k theories

[warm notch]

Like

I was vomiting

[green loom]

That's a reaction alright

[warm notch]

I have never been more horrified in my life

[queen laurel]

Least violent reaction to be fair

[warm notch]

FNAF truly is a horror franchise

[warm notch]

I MEAN

How TF do you react to MATPAT showing up in a film randomly

[queen laurel]

The same way you react to jacksepticeye showing up to a random horror game randomly

[warm notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPMG7os1qgI

💀

[green loom]

Unsurprised

[queen laurel]

OH NEAT

[wet sandal]

I have to say, that's definitely your fault (you voluntarily watched the fnaf movie and deserve anguish)

[warm notch]

me and the bf wanted to watch it it truly is our faults

[green loom]

I still can't get over the catachan devil

I mean look at this fucking thing

[warm notch]

would

[queen laurel]

This looks very close to demon Aang decided to talk to

but it doesn't have the face copying abilities i suppose

[storm jungle]

Fuck this movie

holy shit lmao

[verbal path]

Do not

[warm notch]

FNAF was so bad

in a good way

It didn't try being more which makes it easier to appreciate

[queen laurel]

codex starters of lore chat rule 507

The entity Jackie has extremely unpredictable lust patterns

letting her be is one of the best ways to not be weirded out

as other containment procedures have Failed

[warm notch]

shrug

Oh shit Rogue Trader comes out Dec 7

Thats exciting

[queen laurel]

Yeah, I also got the graphics card so I can definitely try it out without accidentally blowing up my computer

it's definitely one of the warhammer games I'm excited about

[green loom]

I probably won't be able to buy it on release

It's also mid exam period for me so likely no time

[warm notch]

Is there any other 40k CRPG?

Oh wait isn't there an Admech CRPG

[green loom]

Nah not yet

This is the first proper one

[plush mason]

well the face stealer's body was literally a giant centipede

[queen laurel]

the face stealer damn the tyranid the Gene stealer pool is getting wild

[plush mason]

lol

https://tenor.com/view/koh-the-face-eater-avatar-last-airbender-aang-gif-21373433

[dense salmon]

you know

i wonder if the zealot is hopped up on some of those inquisitorial combat stims

with some of the shit they can pull

[warm notch]

Its not out of the ordinary that anyone with enough faith can summon powers

. . . but you know its also not out of the ordinary that they're all hopped up on something

[dense salmon]

i know. i'm kidding

you know what i think

i think grendyl's been throwing some of those eversor tic-tacs in the corpse starch

[soft thunder]

"Excoriator's Incense Rebreather: It is said that the incense expands the mind, offering insight into the thoughts of others. It certainly grants manic vigour."

I don't think the answer is no

[undone zodiac]

Zealot inhailing opium before assasination missions

[lapis wadi]

One voice I remember mentions that surface air doesn't taste right without the stims in it.
Drugs are plentiful in the Imperium I think if it gets you to work and upright in the short-term

[storm jungle]

yeah thats Masozi

[raw dew]

Just saw this in the comments of a YouTube short but what if the reason the missing primarchs were erased are because they thought of themselves as gods

[lapis wadi]

I think I doubt big E deleting them from the canon for just playing god-king on the planet they landed on
Unless they started like, going daemonic with it

[brisk vine]

They were erased because they said Malcador was lame

[plush mason]

afaik there is no confirmed explanation of what happened to the 2 missing Primarchs

[lapis wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/wagboo-gif-25924974

[raw dew]

Could be they also made worlds they made into compliance worship them

[spare osprey]

Is for one of them

[brisk vine]

a kid named Lorgar Aurelian

[plush mason]

oh?

[spare osprey]

I forget the specific one which I will look for atm but it was mentioned by a custodes in the wolf king that they and the space wolves wiped them out.

[raw dew]

The missing primarchs did participate in the great crusade right at least early on

[spare osprey]

And whatever they did to bring in effect that order they did believing it was for the emperor

So they were deceived in some way or another

[plush mason]

the great crusade was launched in part to reclaim the Primarchs after they where yeeted into the warp and shotgun blasted out across the galaxy

[spare osprey]

Sorry meant wolftime

And it was the 11th legion

[plush mason]

so both of the missing ones likely died during the crusade

[spare osprey]

No mention of the 2nd

So that would’ve been a separate event

[plush mason]

so they confirmed that Russ killed the 11th Primarch

neat

[brisk vine]

Pretty sure they confirmed Russ was the Emperor's executioner forever ago

[plush mason]

yeah

but that was because he was beyond loyal and would carry out the Emperor's will without question

[storm jungle]

Russ was the best moron for the job

[lapis wadi]

I suspect 2nd's fate will intentionally never be revealed for maximum yourdudes

[storm jungle]

Its also not "yourdudes" or anything related to homebrew, its mysterious for the sake of mystery

[plush mason]

yeah Horus used his blind loyalty against Russ and the imperium

[storm jungle]

Though theres this one page in lexicanum

where they cite EVERY bit of mentioned thing regarding the missing primarchs

its like a conspiracy board and super funny

@lapis wadi It was asked to the original creators of the setting, no X for doubt, they confirmed it

[dense salmon]

i can't remember what they were called but there was a xenocide early in the GC

[storm jungle]

Theres nothing stopping people from homebrewing but its not the reason for the mystery.

[dense salmon]

it is very likely one of the lost primarchs died in this xenocide

[spare osprey]

Seriously love that one

[storm jungle]

Its so good

[spare osprey]

Rangdan xenocides

Best thing EVER

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Two_unknown_legions#:~:text=The Lost Primarchs were erased,belligerents serving the Chaos Gods.

[plush mason]

i think i remember reading one fan theory that one of the missing primarchs was enslaved by some xeno race

[storm jungle]

the Rangdan yeah

[spare osprey]

Absolutely love the first contact with them

[dense salmon]

to my knowledge there actually is a lot of vague info about the two lost primarchs

[spare osprey]

Absolutely destroyed the 1st legion

[dense salmon]

just nothing specific

[storm jungle]

See the lexi page

its a long list of loose threads

[spare osprey]

They had to kamikaze one of their Glorianas to win the battle

[plush mason]

they cant be all bad then

[dense salmon]

i find it almost probable one of the lost primarchs died in that xenocide, whether fighting for or against the imperium

[spare osprey]

Oh absolutely

[dense salmon]

as for why we know who horus is but not them, i couldn't tell you

[spare osprey]

Hell biggest threat the imperium faced during the GC

Love em

[plush mason]

the space wolf in me laughed at this

[dense salmon]

malcador went as far as deleting the memory of them

[spare osprey]

Was fine tho

Still had around 5 left over

Was the best named one tho

[storm jungle]

also found the Rick Priestley comment

[dense salmon]

how do you think magnus would have turned out if he ever sat on the golden throne?

[spare osprey]

Paradigm of Hate

[dense salmon]

this is honestly a mind-boggling comment

[storm jungle]

I mean its Rick Astley

the guy was mind-boggling in a lot of things

[spare osprey]

Very true

[storm jungle]

the lost Primarchs just being a mystery is pretty normal

people just really want the homebrew thing to be true for some reason

[spare osprey]

Least he’ll never give up the lore

[dense salmon]

some things are better left unanswered

[storm jungle]

Pretty much

[spare osprey]

Or let down the fanbase

[plush mason]

ngl you need to be to make a lot of the oldhammer stuff i have seen lol

[storm jungle]

KEK

true that

[queen laurel]

sometimes a Mystery is better left a mystery

[storm jungle]

HH Moment

[plush mason]

modern 40k is tame in a lot of categories lol

[spare osprey]

Well you’re just gonna starve scooby and the gang with that attitude

[queen laurel]

like i'm pretty sure if you reveal one of the Lost Primarchs they will roast the look of the guy saying why does he have Trevor 's haircut from GTA5

[dense salmon]

whatever happened to them, it was a painful memory to malcador and the primarchs

[queen laurel]

they have Scooby snacks they will be fine

[spare osprey]

Tbf tho it really is amazing how many of these literal demi gods are bald. Like come on emps you couldn’t give them that ONE thing.

[dense salmon]

lorgar moment

vulkan gets a pass

he's bald in a cool way

like the flirting vs sexual harassment meme

[queen laurel]

that is True I don't know why Horus and lorgar are suffering from male pattern baldness

[spare osprey]

Keeping the magnificent hair to yerself

Look where it got you ya old fart

[storm jungle]

The blood bag always gets me

[plush mason]

Lorgar was because he was a bitch. i refuse to accept any other reason

[queen laurel]

like it will save the guy who looks like a fallout 3 ghoul that got beaten to death with a ******* tennis racket

[dense salmon]

you know lorgar is lame when his coolest nickname is literally just his last name

[storm jungle]

Mr House is the Emperor, that makes sense

[dense salmon]

he ate dinner with no youtube

[lapis wadi]

I'd say maybe it's becaus of psyker-yness but Magnus had a gorgeous mane

[scenic bolt]

the consistency of the forgotten primarchs gibes more when the horus heresy was itself another blank event in 40k. Like its original iteration was essentially a cataclysmic civil war happened long ago, with almost all record of it being lost in the process (in truth the horus heresy was just a handwave to let imperials fight each other)

[queen laurel]

no mr house actually knows what he is doing

[spare osprey]

I’d hate to be the golden banana-man that has to change his catheter bag every now and then.

[lapis wadi]

Wait maybe it's the reverse, the more hair you had the more psyker-y you were

[storm jungle]

Best we can do is milk it for another 10 years

[scenic bolt]

with what the HH series produced, I almost wish they retconned it back into being a forgotten event

[spare osprey]

Idk it’s a mixed bag for me

[dense salmon]

the HH stuff is genuinely pretty cool

[spare osprey]

There’s a lot of let downs but I do enjoy the writing of many of the characters

[plush mason]

i can see it

[lapis wadi]

Don't drop that bag! It's vital for psyk-out grenade manufacture

[spare osprey]

Saul and the loyalists last moments on istvaan for example

[queen laurel]

Too bad he doesn't have a dumb cannibal that can **** ** just about everything because he wanted to

[scenic bolt]

HH spawned this, case in point

[storm jungle]

I love my generic space-guys fighting spiky generic space-guys

[plush mason]

so Horus was an Ogryn

[dense salmon]

i think my least favorite character moment is ferrus manus getting a brain transplant mid battle and doing the most inconceivably stupid thing he could have done and tried to get closer to fulgrim

[spare osprey]

Then I mean some things in 40K wouldn’t be as “interesting” as they at without the context of the heresy. Like i enjoy the further context to the fallen and all that happened on caliban to lead the dark angels to this point

[dense salmon]

imagine being so mad you make a decision that can only end in dying

[storm jungle]

Ferrus died as he lived

[dense salmon]

from what is generally considered one of the more level-headed and respected priamrchs

[storm jungle]

like a dumbass

[dense salmon]

it wasn't just him that died either

he doomed a good portion of his marines

because he was that mad

[spare osprey]

And the rest of his legion ideologically for the rest of their history

[plush mason]

hell at least it's better than Magnus forgetting he has psykic powers

[queen laurel]

chad Greatsword man slicing a chaos warriors head off because he was told to do so

[dense salmon]

anything involving leman russ in HH is so infuriating to read

tbh

[storm jungle]

he suffers a lot from the HH syndrome of uh

"act like a dumbass because the Heresy has to happen"

[plush mason]

like. why did Magnus even try to 1v1 him in melee?

[dense salmon]

after learning more about the HH and leman russ i disliked him so much i couldn't figure out how he had fans

konrad kurze is actually fun to read about

leman is not

[queen laurel]

wait the magic man tried to 1V1 the dog that has five types of rabies?

[plush mason]

yes

during the burning of his world lol

[dense salmon]

and got his fucking spine broken

and curbstomped so hard his soul shattered

[plush mason]

ended with Russ breaking his back bane v batman style

[dense salmon]

magnus got mogged ngl

i love magnus, dude was brutalized

[queen laurel]

This is RPG textbook 101 as a mage do not engage in melee combat

[plush mason]

yes

[queen laurel]

I swear to God

[dense salmon]

magnus' decision to actually fight back is also weird

i know the thousand sons didn't want prospero to get sacked but

why didn't they just surrender

leman wasn't there to kill them

[plush mason]

he was because Horus lied and told Russ the Emperor wanted Magnus dead

[dense salmon]

i know horus manipulated them but the context of the situation doesn't align with magnus' decision

[plush mason]

once Russ gets an order from his golden daddy he never questions it or stops till its fulfilled

[dense salmon]

and leman was extremely hesitant to actually follow through and attack

a rare moment of leman rubbing two braincells together

[plush mason]

he has 2 to rub togeather?

[dense salmon]

if magnus kept to his decision to just surrender to the emperor's mercy i feel as though things would have been fine

emps probably would have had him sit the golden throne so he could deal with magnus' collosal fuckup in the webway

[plush mason]

ngl Magnus is the only traitor i really sympathize with in HH. his reason for joining chaos is the most messed up of the lot

[dense salmon]

i sympathize with kurze too

dude got one of the worst planets, was an orphan until adulthood (dude didn't even have a NAME), and was made a paranoid schizophrenic by the terrible future he was seeing

he was a fucked up villain with a completely binary view on good and evil, but i can see how someone would be that way when all you know is suffering and doom your whole life

[plush mason]

yeah but he still made a lot of his choices himself. Magnus was never really given a choice

the emperor failed him most of all

[dense salmon]

fulgrim was kind of always a petty dickhead even without the laher blade

[plush mason]

ofc

he choose to pick up that xeno sword

[dense salmon]

to be fair to him, he didn't really know what it would do to him

which if big E sat down and had the chaos talk with his sons

i'm sure he would have been cautious

[plush mason]

he found it in an alter of a clearly hostile xeno race. that alone should have warranted caution

[dense salmon]

magnus is definitely the most tragic

he was kind of doomed from the start

it's hard to say if magnus would have subdued his hubris more if the emperor talked to him about chaos

but i definitely think magnus would have found an alternative solution to the flesh change if he knew about the chaos gods

dude was so ignorant he made a barter with tzeentch and thought he was the senior partner in that negotiation

[brisk vine]

I'd say Angron and Mortarion can compete on par with Magnus in terms of tragedy of backstory.

They didn't really have it easy on the planets they landed on

[crisp heath]

does the las gun have recoil

[green loom]

Yesno

Sometimes it do, sometimes it don't

[crisp heath]

Huh

[grave sparrow]

Depends on the writer. Luetin09 has a good video covering it.

Basic rundown, a lasgun is not actually a laser gun, it's something else that uses some sci-fi magic voodo

[crisp heath]

Are they edible

[grave sparrow]

Depends on how brave you are

[crisp heath]

And jaw muscles

[grave sparrow]

just avoid the power pack and you'll probably have a very filling and untasty snack

[green loom]

We've got recoil for them in darktide

They have no recoil in Pariah Nexus

For a recent example

It's entirely up to you basically lol

[grave sparrow]

Yeah, it's a finnicky thing. Just enjoy gun that shoots out cool red beams that go PEW PEW PEW

[soft thunder]

Did the Emperor ever make his opinions of AI known or is it safe to assume he probably hated it?