It seems to be a trend that keeps going
#40k-lore-chat
hasty coral
green loom
@storm jungle I feel like these books really suffer from Dan's editors 
hasty coral
You want good metaphysical writing? Destiny has some bangers.
The earth into sky, and dandelion line was cool
The rest
Word vomit
green loom
It's a shame destiny is hot garbage
green loom
I'm not even saying it as a gotcha it's just like dude 
green loom
"Oh hey you bought this content right?"
"Ok we'll cut it out of the game so you'll never be able to access it again"
queen laurel
"Oh hey you bought this content right?"
"Ok we'll cut it out of the game so you'...
i've seen some scummy shit in my life but that happened?
green loom
Yeah
hasty coral
Fired two of the best music composers in the industry
green loom
Lol
hasty coral
queen laurel
Jesus
hasty coral
i've seen some scummy shit in my life but that happened?
Sunsetting
Straight up
See ya
green loom
So like early on, when the game went f2p
hasty coral
Bye bye
green loom
You had this entire base game experience
Full campaign, lots of planets
Nice stuff
Now?
You get uh
The tutorial I guess
hasty coral
Nothing
queen laurel
You had this entire base game experience
Oh no they went for the you pay for the content but the game is entirely free rout huh
hasty coral
Literally nothing
hasty coral
Oh no they went for the you pay for the content but the game is entirely free ro...
Nope
Don’t believe that shit
It is not free
There is no game without shelling out like $120
Without seasonal content btw
green loom
Oh no they went for the you pay for the content but the game is entirely free ro...
More like "you paid for this one specific part of the game, now pay for the rest, also extra content related to said thing costs more money"
"also we may or may not just entirely remove it from the game at an arbitrary point in time"
queen laurel
More like "you paid for this one specific part of the game, now pay for the rest...
man what happened to old online games where you just pay and the entire game is just there
green loom
SWTOR has the only model I like and they're barely scraping by
green loom
Warframe is an acquired taste
hasty coral
YEP
That’s an understatement
I just like power fantasy, sci fi, space magic, loot game
For players like me
It’s like THAT GAME
green loom
I just like Darktide 
queen laurel
Warframe is a good choice though
my friend told me to try it once, it felt like a job on some of the grinds
queen laurel
If you don’t like loot grinds
Brother the drop rates are abysmal
green loom
my friend told me to try it once, it felt like a job on some of the grinds
I once played a game that was like a job
hasty coral
Brother the drop rates are abysmal
Yeah but not p2w levels
Definitely heavy grind
But for people who like grinding while watching YouTube
Its fun
It’s a weird sentence
But that’s how it is
queen laurel
Yeah but not p2w levels
Oh yeah that's one positive aspect about it but it's just that grinding it's not really my thing
i'm willing to grind but not overly grind basically
hasty coral
Yeah no
queen laurel
no matter the game you will have to grind in some way
hasty coral
The game is ALL grind
I just like most of the grind involves mindless killing
And a reward of big guns
Do any of you guys play tabletop?
I don’t
Just like out of principle
The prices are just, ew
green loom
lapis wadi
I've played some tabletop rpg, not wargame tho
green loom
The grind never ends
green loom
The prices are just, ew
I like painting the models
queen laurel
Seriously tabletop is just ew
It's definitely fun for people who can get into the hobby
hasty coral
I can’t
queen laurel
But if you just want to paint the models go ahead
green loom
Prices are extra steep for me though
queen laurel
It's also an option
green loom
Doesn't help the only way I can make currency-money is cheap art comms 
queen laurel
Doesn't help the only way I can make currency-money is cheap art comms <:unsmile...
As long as you stick to the affordable factions by the table top standard
You should be fine
I think
green loom
hasty coral
Me no write well
hasty coral
Ayyyyy
green loom
Thing I'm sketching
green loom
hasty coral
(I physically cannot do so to save my life)
WH video games are a weird anomaly
They either suck or are masterpieces
No inbetween
Dawn of War
green loom
Idk a lot of them are mid to good
hasty coral
Every WH mobile game
Mechanicus and Daemonhunters
The shitty card games and DOW 3
That weird mmo thing
Space Marine, Vermintide, and Darktide
Total War Warhammer
Like it’s such a weird divide
green loom
Space Marine is just ok
green loom
It's just ok
hasty coral
The story is nothing to write home about
As most aren’t
Well Vermintide kinda was in my book
The campaign stories were actually pretty neat
It’s definitely what Darktide lacks
green loom
It definitely had more of a Left 4 Dead vibe than darktide does
hasty coral
Oh definitely
green loom
It’s definitely what Darktide lacks
Idk I like both ways of doing things
hasty coral
I preferred the more memorable Vermintide map packs
green loom
It's probably just 40k preference on my part
But I like Darktide considerably more than VT
hasty coral
Gameplay DT wins
A lot of shit in VT was ANNOYING
And a lot of encounter’s sucked
Super linear
You were fighting the map a LOT
green loom
Doubly true for my poor PC
green loom
Why are you reading this at 4 am anyway
storm jungle
Bored tbh
green loom
Smh
storm jungle
green loom
I'm relaying all this to my comrades in the underground
storm jungle
most excellent
hazy pecan
gw also bought into it, wasn't just the community
grave sparrow
I mean it's a pretty funny meme. Eldar and Imperium about to chow down on an Orc lol
storm jungle
gw also bought into it, wasn't just the community
Its just her serving turkey
it literally has nothing to do with being his girlfriend, its entirely the community lol
crisp heath
absolutely the most wife behavior possible
storm jungle
crisp heath
Ok so like here's the thing, Guilliman has never been married and he has 2 possible ships, neither of which are especially substantial based on lore evidence
So why is his behavior so divorced
storm jungle
Because its just a female character talking with him
Why do they have to be in a relationship for some reason?
crisp heath
No like remove Yvraine from the picture entirely
and then just imagine Guilliman dialogue
and tell me this man isn't divorced
storm jungle
Divorced from life maybe
crisp heath
It doesn't matter if he was actually married, he's just the galaxy's most divorced man
lapis wadi
I don't know how one appears divorced
forest orbit
crisp heath
He just has "should have signed a prenup" energy
queen laurel
<:tired:744439226153697310>
Dilara seeing the usual coomer stuff for the 100th time again
don't worry Dilara i share your pain too
some people shouldn't have cooked
Straight up burned down the house
storm jungle
My favorite part of 40k
A woman does anything near a male character
"Oh hes gotta be fucking her"
crisp heath
Don't look at me, I only think that way if they're both girls
lapis wadi
I genuinely agree with the meme about "Y'all couldn't be trusted with female primarchs"
crisp heath
Or both necrons because I cannot accept the possibility of a heterosexual necron
arctic talon
My favorite part of 40k
💀
storm jungle
KDSFKDS
storm jungle
I genuinely agree with the meme about "Y'all couldn't be trusted with female pri...
yeah because its true, look at meme-chat lol
arctic talon
memes should be purged
storm jungle
It probably will be at this point.
lapis wadi
Safety valves are required
storm jungle
my favorite part of the memes chat is me being called through DMs to go moderate it since someone is causing trouble then everyone there hating me
queen laurel
I genuinely agree with the meme about "Y'all couldn't be trusted with female pri...
There was a female Primarch, the people will be howling
not in a good kind
crisp heath
Nothing is wrong with neurolictors, something is wrong with people who like neurolictors
lapis wadi
Okay but the socks model was hilarious
crisp heath
(I have 5 neurolictors)
I'm not even lying the mini looks wrong unless you paint on the thigh highs now and it's only a matter of time before it shows up in official art
storm jungle
People did edits of it the day it got teased
queen laurel
People did edits of it **the day** it got teased
some things must be burned
down to a molecular level
crisp heath
Nah GW had to have done it intentionally, it checks too many boxes for it not to have been a big brain move
queen laurel
Nah GW had to have done it intentionally, it checks too many boxes for it not to...
Well considering what they did with death leaper
crisp heath
Yeah deathleaper is for boykissers and neurolictor is for girlkissers
queen laurel
Look at the guy he has a cape
Why the hell would the hive mind evolve it to have a Cape
yeah no definitely GW was on to something
crisp heath
Body temperature regulation, heat escapes through the thinner membrane, since it's also flexible and controled by the muscles it can be moved to redirect sound and hide it's approach, suiting it's status as a stealth organism
queen laurel
Body temperature regulation, heat escapes through the thinner membrane, since it...
Hold on
you know what i will believe that but i will fact check it later
crisp heath
Oh no I just made that up just now
queen laurel
Oh no I just made that up just now
this is GW, would rather believe that then question why superior Organism has a Cape
crisp heath
That's just what I would say if you showed me something like that in nature and told me it was an ambush predator
queen laurel
It helps my brain into not being turned into mush
median marsh
Simplest answer, GW thought it looks cool so now it has a cape
If it were to have an in universe use best I can think of is using it to soften jumps
echo vault
The magazine is actually a grub
echo vault
I love this vehicle the super drop pod
shadow plover
the bass drop
normal light
I love this vehicle the super drop pod
They were funny , and maybe sentient 
green loom
Based GW
median marsh
watch someone get inevitably upset
green loom
I haven't posted it in #darktide-memes so we're fine
green loom
Gonna post in memes soon 
safe vigil
sterile sun
rip wyrmwood
warm notch
That mf is 100000% dead
storm jungle
NOOOOO
celest dome
No she is dead or no it's the GSC
near wasp
Rip wyrm wood. You didnt have protag plot armor and thus must be the plot device
warm notch
Wyrmwood got fridged
This is so sad
She’s going to be used to further a man’s character development while simultaneously robbing her of her own character agency 😔
./s
plain glacier
So the Genestealer cult is decieving the Imperium on destroying the Nurgle cult in Atoma so they can run rampant?
green loom
Where do people get this from
plain glacier
Warhammer 40k ptsd
spare osprey
Why the hell would the hive mind evolve it to have a Cape
he's gotta go audition for the phantom of the opera bro
queen laurel
he's gotta go audition for the phantom of the opera bro
That is true that is true
The tyranid hive mind can definitely make the perfect voice box for the perfect voice
celest dome
So the Genestealer cult is decieving the Imperium on destroying the Nurgle cult ...
Nothing point to a GSC being present
celest dome
At most they would introduce 1 or 2 new damage types, not all new, also back to #theorycrafting with those talks
queen laurel
Yeah, they are adaptable so the hive minds can just give them different weapons depending on the situation
But they are usually given guns because they are told to stay back and shoot the enemy
And they aren't best built for melee
verbal path
None canon, no reason they can't exist.
tulip brook
then they wouldn't be gargoyles
they are hyper-specialized in ranged combat. give them claws for damage, legs for mobility on the ground, sturdier wings so they won't be damaged in melee... that's an entirely different variant at that point
verbal path
Just need a hive mind (GW) to make a hormagant version of the termagant's gargoyle but they probably won't since these fuckers exist already.
soft thunder
When darktide refers to Moebian Sector and Moebian Domain, do they mean the same thing? Like are they interchangable terms in 40k map lore or do they have some kind of different in use or meaning?
celest dome
Sector are bigger, but I think here they are interchangeable
median marsh
iirc Darktide is a term used for an unnamed chaos/xenos threat the moebians have been fighting (until they turned that is)
found it, from Moebian 6th blog
It’s important. It must not be lost, or invaded, or ever fall to the darkness that lies in the disputed territories it borders. Those territories, which are ‘parts unknown’, wild worlds outside the Imperium’s remit, are a hotbed of alien (“xenos”) and daemonic threat. To the average citizen of Atoma and its sister worlds, the nature of that threat is a mystery. It’s just called ‘the Darktide’, a boogeyman threat that must be kept at bay. That’s why they have the regiments of the Astra Militarum.
oh wait i cant read
[fuck]
somehow my brain hyperfocused darktide specifically
soft thunder
So ya domain and sector seem more or less interchangable since theres nothing mentioning domains, just refering to ownship or something. https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Sector
soft thunder
somehow my brain hyperfocused darktide specifically
no sweat lol
median marsh
the same blog calls Moebian Domain a "significant tract of space" so i guess they are basically interchangable
hasty coral
Does the emperor know about the war in heaven?
lapis wadi
It'd be weird if he didn't
hasty coral
More specifically does he know about the warp’s past
celest dome
Afaik yes
green loom
He had contact with Eldrad
green loom
And other big groups
hasty coral
How do you kill a warp god
green loom
So prolly knew a fair amount
hasty coral
The things that make up the warp gods don’t just
storm jungle
How do you kill a warp god
Destroy their reliance on worshippers
hasty coral
Stop existing
hasty coral
median marsh
if you somehow sever warp from realspace they in theory would eventually starve out
hasty coral
No but seriously to truly KILL the daemons you have to he’s the warp no?
hasty coral
if you somehow sever warp from realspace they *in theory* would eventually starv...
But wouldn’t new ones just pop up
Once the warp opened again?
If it did
I guess
Like how the fuck do you keep a god of war from coming back in 40k
Not necessarily Khrone
But another one
Because I don’t think they NEED worshippers no?
They grow in strength based on just events
verbal path
How do you kill a warp god
Let the Tyranids win.
hasty coral
Hence Nurgle during plagues
hasty coral
Let the Tyranids win.
This is facts
But without total destruction
How exactly do you STOP daemons?
You’d have to heal the warp no?
median marsh
True death is a bit of a convoluted process
hasty coral
Even if they do “die” wouldn’t new ones pop up because of the power vacuum?
arctic talon
Yes
arctic talon
How exactly do you STOP daemons?
You destroy their essence
With either a very powerful psyker or a powerful blank
median marsh
Chaos Daemons loyalty to their patron is assured by the fact they all come from their perspective God, who at any given time can just take back what is theirs
arctic talon
And it gets harder the bigger the daemon
median marsh
in case of Emperor, his sword is so psychically charged it slays demons forever
even if its not full powered
arctic talon
Case in point the pariah nexus
Humans do not do well in it
They become soulless husks
hasty coral
So for the emperor is his plan to survive the chaos gods?
verbal path
arctic talon
We have no clue wtf his plan b is lol
hasty coral
Again you couldn’t fully starve them right?
arctic talon
Yeah
hasty coral
Because events also give them power
arctic talon
But he didn’t know that
hasty coral
Not JUST worship
arctic talon
He was under the false impression you could
verbal path
He never told anyone plan B since plan A shouldn't have failed
green loom
I don't think it should be looked at as stopping the flow of power
More reducing it slightly
hasty coral
Never assume you know everything
median marsh
interestingly enough, he (well, while possessing guiliman that us) left a permament wound on Nurgle apparently
hasty coral
That’s rule number one of studying the cosmos
arctic talon
interestingly enough, he (well, while possessing guiliman that us) left a permam...
It’ll heal
Given time
hasty coral
interestingly enough, he (well, while possessing guiliman that us) left a permam...
More his “garden”
But yeah
Like I bet chaos gods CAN be killed
But
A new one would just pop up
Disease and despair doesn’t stop because you killed the guy who was using it
green loom
We know what happens when you take a chaos god out of the equation
verbal path
Rats happen.
median marsh
got the excerpt
Wound the garden, wound the god.
The neverground shook. There were whispers in the hierarchy that perhaps the burns would never heal, and that Nurgle tossed uneasily in his sleep with the pain. The upheavals in the liquid earth would last for some aeons to come, at the very least, like loose bowels incapable of rest. Rotigus could taste it on the air, a clean burning in Nurgle’s holy foetor. He could feel it in his soul as a hot scar. He shifted his gut around to settle the pain, and it did not work. The mouth in his belly and arm were sealed tight in discomfort."
hasty coral
So if humanity wants to survive they need their own warp pocket
Or they need to heal the warp
First, while hard, is technically doable
Just won’t be pretty
The second, who fucking knows
You’d need the Necrons for that
Necron tech with inter faction cooperation and the emperor could maybe help heal the warp
But well
That would require an actual divine miracle
verbal path
The necrons are less for healing the warp and more completely cutting it off
hasty coral
Maybe the Silent King will be less nut job?
Or is he just as bad
I assumed his self exile was evidence he regretted what had happened
arctic talon
Silent king isn’t a nut job
hasty coral
Man things do not look great
green loom
Necrons are another end of the extreme
green loom
Humanity is so high up shit creek since they're in a middle ground
They need both
median marsh
thats just Warhammer, there is no hope
verbal path
Man things do not look great
Welcome to 40k.
median marsh
grimdark and all that
verbal path
We're approaching the endtimes for 40k and I am ready for it.
storm jungle
We arent
hasty coral
storm jungle
storm jungle
I mean its more that 40k makes a lot of money
theres no end times
This is a setting with no stakes.
green loom
People mistake fantasy end times as some inevitable thing that was planned but nah it was just cus Fantasy sold hilariously badly
storm jungle
^
hasty coral
This is a setting with no stakes.
But how can there not be with the tyranids
median marsh
remember how end times ended originally
storm jungle
Because plot.
hasty coral
Like chaos
green loom
You'll see by the end of this edition
The 4th Tyrannic war will abruptly end or go without conclusion
verbal path
Look, the plot is moving at a breakneck pace. We've got Primarchs coming back and the Eye of Terror blew up.
hasty coral
They are too divided to be like defcon 1 anytime soon
storm jungle
Look, the plot is moving at a breakneck pace. We've got Primarchs coming back an...
So?
storm jungle
That doesn't change anything.
storm jungle
like you can keep a setting in limbo indefinitely.
hasty coral
That seems pretty endgame no?
green loom
They supposedly ate everything else
hasty coral
They can’t stall them forever?
green loom
In other words
storm jungle
And are anti warp
Only a single hive-fleet is anti-warp
hasty coral
Right?
green loom
We don't fucking know
hasty coral
Clueless
median marsh
GW will find how to twist things until the the end of combined lifetimes of everyone in this channel
storm jungle
Holy shit the setting isnt going anywhere
storm jungle
GW will find how to twist things until the the end of combined lifetimes of ever...
This lol
green loom
They can’t stall them forever?
Idk they've stalled them for 3 wars already and the 4 th will probably be the same
hasty coral
Fine I can see the draw out
storm jungle
we literally got no idea whats happening outside the Milky Way
Space is pretty big my dude.
hasty coral
Probably never to occur
green loom
Stop for a second
arctic talon
Endtimes for 40K will never happen
green loom
Do you know how many times they've done that in the last 5 yaers?
arctic talon
Since it’s still profitable
storm jungle
As long as Space Marine players keep eating that slop this settign isn't going anywhere.
green loom
"Oh something big's gonna happen at vigilus!"
Nothing happens
"Oh something big's gonna happen in the Pariah Nexus!"
Nothing happens
median marsh
cant wait for another book of Dante on suicide watch
green loom
The lore is sprinkles on top
storm jungle
Nobody
verbal path
No one.
hasty coral
Valid
arctic talon
Chaos 
storm jungle
Chaos though probably yeah
arctic talon
Technically
verbal path
Plot moves to 50k
hasty coral
Chaos technically even if they die
hasty coral
Counts as a win
median marsh
Emps will stand up to floss before collapsing
hasty coral
Emps will stand up to floss before collapsing
You joke
But as if the writing hasn’t always been this weird
They would spin it as some warp magic ritual
arctic talon
Griddyhammer 40,000
hasty coral
I am currently hitting the griddy for Cadia
median marsh
The Chaos Gods are technically hosting one big battle royale because nurgle got himself the plague stars
arctic talon
The great game
median marsh
and literally everyone disliked that
hasty coral
Abbadon you better be scared
median marsh
arctic talon
Truly peak
verbal path
How can anyone hate nurgle
hasty coral
Dude just has a little ulcer
verbal path
I do not like the plague
hasty coral
My brother in Christ he is beating Mortarion with a belt
AND?
Like he doesn’t deserve it?
I like Mortarian but god damn he needs his ass beat
median marsh
Kugath stuck in his regen sack
arctic talon
I do not approve of corporeal punishment of disobedient children
As much as I like making jokes about it
hasty coral
I do not approve of corporeal punishment of disobedient children
Technically it’s incorporeal!
verbal path
arctic talon
hasty coral
This is truly the greatest channel
soft thunder
does anyone know of there is a specific mention of the darktide coming from the GALACTIC fringe? I've come across some people assuming this but can't find anything stating such. Only that these fringes are in refernce to the fringe of the Moebian Domain bordering Wilderness space. Maybe the term galactic wilderness got mixed in somewhere and caused confusion? I assumethe Moebian Domain is somewhere south of the Eye of Terror, between it and Terra probably. If it was on the galactic Fringe it'd kinda be way away from Agripinaa, Armegeddon, and obscurus stuff mentioned in alot of the gear, which is all kinda clustered in the southern tip of segmentum obscurus.
arctic talon
does anyone know of there is a specific mention of the darktide coming from the ...
We know the Moebian dominion is in segmentum Solar
green loom
It's safe to assume "fringe" is referencing the areas west and south of Solar
arctic talon
We know this bcs it was stated a while back it’s about parallel from necromunda across from terra
median marsh
the blogpost talks about, lemme grab the direct quote
" Those territories, which are ‘parts unknown’, wild worlds outside the Imperium’s remit"
when talking about where Darktide stems from
the blogpost im referring to is Moebian Sixth
prior to darktides release
while it mainly focuses on Moebians it briefly talks about Atoma and what Darktide is
soft thunder
Do have a link or know when it was posted? The necromunda and segmentum solar stuff. The only blog post I’ve read so far is the Dan Abnett morbian 6th one.
wintry scarab
Who are the enforcers the psykers speak of?
green loom
Enforcers
median marsh
i really need to sit down and write down a big ol "everything we know" but at the same time my lazyness is consuming me
green loom
Basically the beat cops
median marsh
Enforcers are the Police Force essentially
green loom
You can find some of their corpses in game here and there
median marsh
in our case its probably Margraves personal security force, as Enforcer is also a rank in Arbiters who are technically a separate entity
wintry scarab
You can find some of their corpses in game here and there
Is it the corpses in the purple uniforms?
green loom
Yeah those
storm jungle
no thats a photo of me moderating this discord wtf
verbal path
Lemme just... steal his helmet.
median marsh
one of the assassination missions takes place in one of their Prison-Fortresses
green loom
no thats a photo of me moderating this discord wtf
You are undead
wintry scarab
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/786208719200583710/1169563949088387092/...
Oh, whoa. Ive got so many hours in the game and i dont think i've ever seen one of those
celest dome
Is it the corpses in the purple uniforms?
Those were the Water Cartel
median marsh
its easy to miss honestly if youre not looking
Darktide doesnt really give you many breathers
for example you can see the survey team from the trailer strung up
celest dome
Water Cartel (I repeat, those are not GSC)
verbal path
Water Cartel (I repeat, those are not GSC)
Oh my God GSC!
median marsh
dont kill me, i had to do it cacti
soft thunder
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/dev-blog-moebian-sixth/49075
Ya I reread the Dan abnet post and there's nothing suggesting the area the Moebian domain might be in this source.
soft thunder
We know the Moebian dominion is in segmentum Solar
Any other clues that might help me find this?
green loom
Easiest summary is probably the fkn
Luetin video
Since he got shit straight from the Overweight Shark
soft thunder
ah ok ill have a look see
verbal path
Guys when can we use our Inquisitorial powers to draft some of the PDF troopers
Lazy bastards just standing around.
celest dome
Both of you are written out of my will
median marsh
nooo
verbal path
Jokes on you I wrote myself back in with crayon
celest dome
Wait what ? How did you find my will
verbal path
median marsh
Guys when can we use our Inquisitorial powers to draft some of the PDF troopers ...
never serious answer, we are a tactical insertion team, we are meant to perform a quick shock assault, achieve objective and leave. Taking PDF with us will only draw a metric ton of attention, sabotaging the mission
verbal path
A rolling meatball of four Ogryns.
verbal path
Lemme just take a few so I can shove them in front of a net or mutant
They're just to be ablative wounds.
celest dome
~~never~~ serious answer, we are a tactical insertion team, we are meant to perf...
And killing a lot of PDF
median marsh
yeah, Morrow would not be happy
celest dome
Morrow doesn't seem to be supervising the PDF no ?
verbal path
Though I wish some would move around or fire off some shots at some enemies that spawn in our spawn.
celest dome
Though I don't know what he led before we appeared, like the Auric Warband was led by Melk
green loom
He's head of the Rejects
celest dome
Yes, but before
thick cedar
So apparently at some point our psykers got official training. At least savant has
Savant mentioned being trained to fight demonic possession by specifying the Schola
celest dome
Yes, but not official Psykana as far as we know
soft thunder
Ya the savant M talks to the M seer about how unsanctioned psykers are the greatest threat to imperium or something, and i think seer says he (the seer)* is an unsanctioned psyker. The convo got cut short by a a bboss wave tho
green loom
The Enforcer psyker is trained
median marsh
i always assumed our Psykers have had at least some degree of training (on board the black ships) before going on with their ways, some getting further refinement
celest dome
The Enforcer psyker is trained
But not by Psykana, so technically still unsanctionned
soft thunder
I always liked imagining the seer as a former navigator, explaining why he hears the emperor, that eventually went mad. --Navigators-- (astropaths*) are the ones that go to terra for attunement to Big E I think?
median marsh
Navigators are a special mutant
green loom
Navigators are also in noble houses and have a literal 3rd eye
median marsh
and a literal rip off from dune
verbal path
God lemme be a Navigator. I'll hit all the scabs and dregs with the third eye of doom.
soft thunder
oh then I'm thinking of astropaths then
median marsh
essentially, they possess a gene that allows them to see Astronomicon, which lets em navigate through warp
yeah Astropaths are the ones that are bound to emperor
Seer sadly cant be one because theyre all universally blind, the soul binding process is very...traumatic to say the least
hed also be serving as something else given the abilities astropaths gain
the question of how the fug Beloved is, is pretty interesting
on one half it might as well be a demon
on other half Seer states that its a different voice than the ones he starts hearing occasionally
storm jungle
Its hard to say because the Beloved actually gives tips to the Seer on what to do during missions when he/she gets objective dialogue
median marsh
overall it seems...pretty positive
storm jungle
so its actively helping them somewhat
median marsh
"the return of Roboute Guilliman has made my beloved very happy"
is a very interesting line since i dont think warp entities would be too thrilled about that, if they know Roboute
celest dome
so its actively helping them somewhat
There used to be those Parasitic beings in fantasy that would help the caster, but at the same time take the life essence of the Magister
median marsh
"No one but my Beloved can gaze into the Realm of Chaos. the rest of us would just go mad"
soft thunder
found the Segmentum Solar reference from Luetin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwLoEhgcyzc&t=3757s
median marsh
another interesting note is apparently "Beloved" keeps talking about the Great Rift
but never actually explaining it
storm jungle
There used to be those Parasitic beings in fantasy that would help the caster, b...
Yeee exactly
storm jungle
another interesting note is apparently "Beloved" keeps talking about the Great R...
Honestly I imagine its either ACTUALLY a very small sliver of Big E or just a non-alligned warp daemon thats just bing chilling
both are pretty funny
median marsh
verbal path
A daemon who has beef with Nurgle.
median marsh
i can imagine some minor warp being from formless wastes somehow managing to establish connection and just using you as a reactive tv show
storm jungle
The stuff Beloved also "tells" the Seer are pretty normal? Like just to kill the chaos people in the worst way possible but when it comes to negative stuff towards his/her teammates its just "Yeah my Beloved doesn't agree with that"
instead of uhhh
"My Beloved told me to blow you up."
median marsh
"My beloved is very sorry about that"
median marsh
apparently it adores Sefoni
inb4 its sefoni
oh wait seer always refers to beloved as He
verbal path
The Psyker definitely believes it's the Emperor
green loom
Anyone want to see some knight stuff 
celest dome
There is a voice line I heard where they refered to Sefoni with him
verbal path
Knight as in horse and Lance or giant robot knight
green loom
Latter
verbal path
Ye
green loom
median marsh
median marsh
"My Beloved says these growths are very old, and also very young" referring to the plague tree in dreyko
probably references how nurgle is cyclical
patent ivy
Is there a lot of money in painting minis for people?
median marsh
a person i know does it as a job essentially, can ask em
patent ivy
Alright
I knew of a guy I went to HS with who painted them for people
Never interacted with him to ask if he made a lot
green loom
Is there a lot of money in painting minis for people?
If you're good at it
celest dome
"My Beloved says these growths are very old, and also very young" referring to t...
Or that the corruption is ancient, but that the tree itself is new
median marsh
yep
celest dome
I have now seen a thread calling for Darktide to expand in the future to have both GSC, and Dark Eldar as the tide, and to introduce Eldar as player, and not Tau (Cause apparently it would be too strange) but introduce Tau weaponry 
tulip brook
If you're good at it
REALLY good at it. People improved so much in recent years it's scary. Even then, it depends on the market and popularity. I can't imagine making decent money with painting minis alone
median marsh
I have now seen a thread calling for Darktide to expand in the future to have bo...
fucking christ
arctic talon
Dark eldar
As an enemy
In a tide game
My brother in Christ if a shard rifle grazes us we’re fucked
patent ivy
If you're good at it
Profit margins must be slim right? Since you can only play official tournies with official pieces
arctic talon
^
green loom
Person wants cool models
They pay for to do it for them
celest dome
Another potential candidate for content is the Tau, not as a playable race, mind you. That is a bridge too far in-terms of lore believability
Best line though
And this right after a paragraph about Eldar player
tulip brook
you can bulk paint for bare minimum rules for tournament playing
storm jungle
They absolutely did
arctic talon
Craftworld eldar would not give a fuck tbh
patent ivy
Person wants cool models
They pay for to do it for them
Ah ok
storm jungle
any line that mentions aliens in this game gets false-theories lol
tulip brook
people commission for display pieces and centerpieces
arctic talon
About the involvement of their evil cousins
patent ivy
I was thinking most people pay for pieces they want to use
arctic talon
And the dark eldar wouldn’t want any slaves from Tertium either
They might be tainted
median marsh
im surprised noone tried necrons yet, Seer talks about "race of metal men"
celest dome
any line that mentions aliens in this game gets false-theories lol
Haven't seen people say Hrud tide though
arctic talon
im surprised noone tried necrons yet, Seer talks about "race of metal men"
Prolly bcs we’d be fucked
Necron warriors beat marines to death with their bare hands with ease lol
And they don’t go down easily
Their fodder unit would be a fucking crusher equivalent
With a gun
celest dome
I think I've seen some people mention Necron as player
arctic talon
storm jungle
Crusher mixed with Sniper
median marsh
if i see someone request necrons id probably cause a second eye of terror on the spot
storm jungle
tanking those gauss shots 
tulip brook
necron vs rejects be like: reapers and crushers only map
patent ivy
That dark throne thing the eldar are trying to do was interesting
tulip brook
crushers that hit like snipers*
patent ivy
Watched a video on it
celest dome
I mean if they did a Necron tide I think the lowest unit would probably be either Pariah, some of those spiders or Human who are controlled and stuff
celest dome
But not against the Reject
arctic talon
I mean if they did a Necron tide I think the lowest unit would probably be eithe...
Pariah's are elite shock troops lore wise
celest dome
And not here
arctic talon
A necron warrior/scarabs
tulip brook
also your psyker is a veteran now
arctic talon
are fodder for the crons
Also Pariah's don't exist in modern lore anymore
for the necrons either
celest dome
Do those human with Necron stuff controlling them still a thing ?
arctic talon
mindshackle scarabs
median marsh
my only memori of Pariahs is them being a DoW unit for necrons
celest dome
That could be the Groaner
celest dome
The rest I don't want to even bother thinking about it
arctic talon
yeah a tide game wouldn't really work with necrons
since you're playing nuclear football
celest dome
I've already am stuck on the Slannesh side for Darktide
Now, typically, people bring up the Orks, but the Orks have one main issue that makes them a bit too challenging to develop in the short term: Vehicles
Lmao
arctic talon
I'm skinning this person alive
call me Konrad Curze
because I'll be broadcasting it
celest dome
Especially since they could be justified very easily lore wise. A Space Hulk enters right next to Atoma and dark eldar start pouring out?
tulip brook
orcs or tyranids for the horde! army
I guess any chaos faction will work but nurgle is definitely the best choice
celest dome
> Especially since they could be justified very easily lore wise. A Space Hulk e...
Ah yes, justifying it lorewise, not just breaking and changing the narrative
median marsh
since when do DE utilize space hulks
celest dome
They don't
arctic talon
> Especially since they could be justified very easily lore wise. A Space Hulk e...
That is not how dark eldar work 💀
there might be a webway gate on Atoma
but like
celest dome
I guess any chaos faction will work but nurgle is definitely the best choice
Nurgle is a great start
arctic talon
why would they even bother
there's nothing worth it on Atoma lol
There's much easier worlds to raid
median marsh
if anything other planets in the system are much better targets
patent ivy
Orks are a devolved version of the Krorks right?
celest dome
Yes
patent ivy
My understanding from what I’ve read
median marsh
yeah
patent ivy
Kinda funny
celest dome
Dunno what Grot and Squig are though
median marsh
iirc Ork are basically a self sustaining system, by the time the boys appear they already have food (Squigs) and Servants ( grots and snotlings) that take care of stuff boyz dont do
patent ivy
This page says they’re asexual, so how do they procreate to such great numbers
tulip brook
mushroom people
patent ivy
Ah ok
median marsh
this is what makes em basically impossible to root out
arctic talon
Asexual reproduction is
median marsh
unless you literally burn everything down
arctic talon
much more efficent then sexual reproduction
and as a bioengineered super weapon
the Old Ones made sure of that lol
median marsh
throughout their life Orks release spores, especially on death
and eventually they just spring up again
median marsh
yep
well they make a Womb in the ground
some form Orks, others turn into other orkoids
some are just shrooms
patent ivy
Could the imperium bio-engineer some tech that could release a spray of something that kills the spores off
Or is that against their religion
tulip brook
their religion is hating the xenos
celest dome
patent ivy
Yeah but aren’t they super against some tech
median marsh
cant release spores if they burn
arctic talon
Yeah but aren’t they super against some tech
They're against inventing new tech from the ground up
regarding the mechanicus
patent ivy
Oh
patent ivy
Damn!
arctic talon
the spores are also pretty resistant to fire
but they can be burned out
There's also the Craftworld Eldar method of laying down a bunch of monowire and as the orks come out of the ground they get shredded
but the Imperium doesn't have fancy tech like that and Xenos tech is heresy
celest dome
Don't the spores also fight or something I remember micro Tyr fighting something but I forgot what
tulip brook
the deal is as every kind of infestation people start taking measures when they actually see them pests
things are managed until a warboss appears and rest is fun
patent ivy
but the Imperium doesn't have fancy tech like that and Xenos tech is heresy
🤣
Reverse engineer it!
crisp heath
heretic
median marsh
remember there was a admech world that killed nids by burning the atmosphere, recorded this method and then it got immediately forgotten
arctic talon
Reverse engineer it!
Heresy
patent ivy
Funny how a lot of the stuff recorded gets forgotten
You’d think at this point in the future they’d have better preservation methods regarding info
celest dome
remember there was a admech world that killed nids by burning the atmosphere, re...
Metalica managed to push back the Tyr by sending Servitor and then dragging them back into the Forges to be reused before they could be munched
tulip brook
good luck recording stuff in an empire with millions of worlds
celest dome
You’d think at this point in the future they’d have better preservation methods ...
They probably had, at some point, then lost it
tulip brook
admech hoards the tech too
patent ivy
I guess
median marsh
the amount of red tape im imperium is so vast that there are generations of Administratum personel that work on obsolete tasks
tulip brook
chances are, when they find something, it rarely leaves their forgeworld
median marsh
or send resources to places that no longer exist
and that can go unnoticed for hundreds of years
Admech also hoard anything they can
all information must be stored to never see the light of day
one of my favorite tibid is Judging process
normal light
all information must be stored to never see the light of day <:KEKW_ogryn:102207...
If Imperium could handle information properly they would be very powerful
patent ivy
For real
median marsh
if you get a trial, theres a good chance if you are ever sentenced that sentence will be carried out on your distant relatives as the trial can go on and on and on
normal light
If Imperium could handle information properly they would be very powerful <:what...
But this is not #theorycrafting
tulip brook
gotta point out their internet is half crazy tortured magicians
patent ivy
Text takes up very little data and they could probably fit a petabyte into the size of a micro ssd card by the 41st millennium
Sd
median marsh
we operate on literal scrolls
normal light
gotta point out their internet is half crazy tortured magicians
Where is the problem?
tulip brook
reliability of data transfer in the long distances
patent ivy
we operate on literal scrolls
Someone needs to come in and fix this issue
New management
normal light
New management
There will be no future management
median marsh
Archivum Cycorax is lowkey incredibly funny because we basically scan a bunch of PC files so that a printer (who used to be a human) can print us a copy
patent ivy
So boneheaded
median marsh
which is a huge scroll
tulip brook
good thing nobody shoots the printer
patent ivy
They ever have to do software update for those servitors
median marsh
im surprised that neither moebians nor their accomplices deemed it necessary to purge records of their interactions
green loom
They ever have to do software update for those servitors
If they do, they don't do it
median marsh
tfw you are forever relegated to be the H.P. Printer in an archive
dense salmon
A few days ago I said that chaos corruption is irreversible
green loom
What about it
dense salmon
It came to my attention that recent lore implies the Big E can undo chaos corruption and save the primarchs
However this is the closest thing to divine intervention in the verse that we can get
median marsh
you mean when he restored Guiliman?
dense salmon
So I just wanted to correct myself
dense salmon
you mean when he restored Guiliman?
This is an outlier, guiliman was always incorruptible even without the emperor's help
green loom
Callback to the one crown incident
dense salmon
So there is a chance magnus could be redeemed seeing as his noble shard is in imperial possession
That being said I highly doubt magnus would want that to happen
wintry scarab
Whats english called in the 40k universe? Or is it just english?
dense salmon
Gothic
green loom
In theory, low gothic
dense salmon
Low Gothic and high Gothic
green loom
But it might not be english
dense salmon
Low Gothic is what we speak, high Gothic is the more ecclesiastical old-world English you might find in scripture
The different between "you want some water?" And "doth thou wanteth some water?"
The exact syntaxes and grammar are lost on me though
spare osprey
It came to my attention that recent lore implies the Big E can undo chaos corrup...
That fact ain’t too recent tbf. Luther more or less removed the chaos taint from his soul.
wintry scarab
So low gothic = Modern english, High gothic = old english
dense salmon
Old English is like the proto-english with Germanic and franko roots
spare osprey
So low gothic = Modern english, High gothic = old english
High gothic is more like a Latin with old English thrown in. Low gothic is a bastardized version of what we could assume is modern English
Which you then get to convolute it even more with every world usually having dozens of its own imperium recognized dialects
dense salmon
I think the implications from a linguistic perspective is that low Gothic is just a vulgar form of high gothic
I.E. people who are taught how to speak the language but not read or write it
Eventually it evolves and changes simultaneously
The closest real world example i can give is Spanish and Latin
green loom
It's inconsistent
wintry scarab
Alright, thx everyone
dense salmon
As always, the difference between a dialect and a language is an army and a navy
We dont even treat real world linguistics with much consistency
dense salmon
That fact ain’t too recent tbf. Luther more or less removed the chaos taint from...
There's also eisenhorn who uses chaos powers but remaining incorruptible
But they aren't exact 1:1 scenarios
spare osprey
Yeah I think I hold Luther a bit higher in that regard
Dude was a legit champion of chaos and just forced all of it out of him cause he had an epiphany
dense salmon
The precedent for chaos redemption isn't set in stone
spare osprey
Dude was a legit champion of chaos and just forced all of it out of him cause he...
Course his mind is all sorts of fucked now
But hey
That’s life
dense salmon
Its most accurate to say 99.99% of humans who fall to chaos are doomed for eternity with zero chance for redemption
With some outliers creating a precedent for the possibility of the other 0.01%
We may know more as we get more horus heresy lore
urban spire
Could the imperium bio-engineer some tech that could release a spray of somethin...
the biologis could conceivably do this however it wouldn't be very narratively interesting for orks as a problem for the galaxy to just be solved in a lab, it wouldn't work very well with the themes of the setting, and also if orks were just erased with a virus there would be a bunch of very angry tabletop players
patent ivy
the biologis could conceivably do this however it wouldn't be very narratively i...
🤣🤣🤣
I didn’t think about the tt part
dense salmon
the biologis could conceivably do this however it wouldn't be very narratively i...
I agree with this analysis
It'd be like tau building a giant mirror to hold up to a sun to blow planets up from light-years away
We all know they could do it, it would just be fucking boring
You could also justify these things with simple logistics like other situations
Empire could curbstomp tau very quickly if they had the supplies and manpower to dedicate to that
urban spire
if the imperium of man was capable of making good decisions it wouldn't be the imperium of man
storm jungle
A lot of people dont realise that war itself is usually very boring.
Its mostly sitting around and doing nothing and 40% being scared for your life that you will get throat slit by something while sleeping.
storm jungle
if the imperium of man was capable of making good decisions it wouldn't be the i...
Also this lol
dense salmon
A lot of people dont realise that war itself is usually *very* boring.
Its most...
All tomorrows explains war of the future as just stressful computer inputs and lines of code
storm jungle
a Forgeworld for example found a way to stave off a Tyranid invasion and it actually worked, but then they filed it away and it got lost forever in their data-banks
storm jungle
All tomorrows explains war of the future as just stressful computer inputs and l...
Yep.
Or how the Qu just come
and defeat humanity
game over lol
dense salmon
The gravitals just putting a big tarp over the sun to smother a planet to death
urban spire
is all tomorrows the one with a bunch of fucked up speciated humans?
dense salmon
The scariest part of all tomorrows is they dont even explain how the qu defeat humans
They just do
Easily
At a point where humans have dyson swarms and can blow up entire solar systems on a whim
The imperium of man isn't even a type 1 civilization
urban spire
tbf the kardashev scale is made to be deliberately provocative
dense salmon
I think it could be expanded
urban spire
the gap between type 2 and type 3 is so fucking ridiculous lmao
wet sandal
It's a logarithmic scale
urban spire
it's not a practical scale
it only exists so you can say "oh well you're not even that powerful"
dense salmon
I think imperium is definitely way past the capability to be type 1
They just utilize energy and resources in a completely unsustainable way because they have so many planets that it's negligible
The great rift also set the empire wayyyyyy back
storm jungle
The Imperium is not even type 1 is the thing
they got some cool tech but its always used in warfare and not much else
dense salmon
I blame them not being type 1 on beauracracy and their philosophy on resources
storm jungle
I mean yeah obviously
dense salmon
They have the technological prowess to be type 2 if they wanted to
green loom
They definitely can and do suck planets dry
I remember like, a short or something about it
dense salmon
The empire will farm a planet's soil to depletion in one burst and make it uninhabitable
Guilliman being the administrative soul that he is could definitely make waves in the sustainability of the empire in the long run
storm jungle
They definitely can and do suck planets dry <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Thats more through classic macro-industrial methods
dusky scroll
But they have all the Eldar techs... what are their weakness?
green loom
Eldar in general tbch
The Craftworlders are an actively dying race
The Dark Eldar are violent and probably unsustainable, iirc the Haemonculii are making them more and more aggressive
storm jungle
The Dark Eldar's only weakness is if Warp powers ever breach Commorragh
otherwise they are basically impossible to wipe out
Craftworlders less so
queen laurel
The Dark Eldar are violent and probably unsustainable, iirc the Haemonculii are ...
Dark Eldar sustain themselves by making others suffer Right?
green loom
Ye
queen laurel
Yeah that will extremely cripple their survivability having to commit specific acts of violence in order to live
arctic talon
The dark eldar would be sustainable
If the lower class stopped having kids and the upper classes stopped vat growing more
crisp heath
Assuming that all the weird plans that are "totally going to kill Slaanesh" don't pan out, then drukhari would definitely have the longest shelf like of the eldar factions
Craftworlders are on the brink of extinction, Exodites rely on Craftworld support to survive, Harlequins are basically just a craftworld cult/secret society, and Ynnari have a terrible sales pitch that is going to keep them from being real competition
Not counting corsairs because they're just 5 guys in a ship being asshholes
storm jungle
Not counting corsairs because they're just 5 guys in a ship being asshholes
Nah corsairs are pretty big.
storm jungle
Yeah that will extremely cripple their survivability having to commit specific a...
Dark Eldar can basically a launch an attack on anywhere in the galaxy and have been doing so for like 10+ Millennia or so, they got the longest survivability rate as long as nothing happens to Commorragh
they are also the most numerous admist the eldar because they are copy-pasting/vat-birthing numbers like crazy
queen laurel
they are also the most numerous admist the eldar because they are copy-pasting/v...
Only if the elder can do that but I'm pretty sure they will frown upon it
storm jungle
Yeah like it would be a very sus/taboo thing
it would be like us also cloning people and just dumping them on the street
queen laurel
it would be like us also cloning people and just dumping them on the street
Like the institute in fallout said replacing something with the fake thing totally works all the time
( it doesn't )
storm jungle
Another issue is every eldar on a craftworld needs a soulstone
which is only gotten through trips to the Eye of Terror then the Crone Worlds
so would be hard to meet that constant clone-spam quota
queen laurel
so would be hard to meet that constant clone-spam quota
How do you even make a soul stone in the first place
do you like condense warp energy into a stone?
storm jungle
How do you even make a soul stone in the first place
Basically soulstones drop from phantom/dead eldar that were caught in the birth of Slaanesh and its shockwave, these spirits constantly re-live that specific moment on the crone-worlds and each time they get wiped a soulstone drops from them
you basically snatch as much of that shit as you can and then just bail
queen laurel
Basically soulstones drop from phantom/dead eldar that were caught in the birth ...
thats
queen laurel
quite horrific
storm jungle
YEP
warm notch
are there any xenos that are like . . . chill?
queen laurel
i like it
storm jungle
are there any xenos that are like . . . chill?
Eldar are so
verbal path
Fishing trip into the Warp to get more rocks.
warm notch
Eldar are so
to an extreme, I wager?
warm notch
are they hot
storm jungle
💀
queen laurel
are there any xenos that are like . . . chill?
the tau, if you're not xenophobic
i mean there is the usual ethereal manipulation stuff but
warm notch
the tau, if you're not xenophobic
queen laurel
They are willing to engage in diplomacy
I mean if you have the patience to negotiate with Orks three fucking times then you are definitely something
warm notch
couldn't be me
burnt maple
Tyranids. I think they even wanted to talk to the fucking tyranids.
lapis wadi
Chill races usually get destroyed
lapis wadi
Look, it worked for Commander Shepard and the Rachni
queen laurel
through clicks and hissing sounds?
Theoretically through psychic inputs
brisk vine
Grain of salt there
queen laurel
You make an artificial synaptic link basically
warm notch
Theoretically through psychic inputs
would've been funnier if they literally were able to communicate verbally
this is so sad
storm jungle
Dawn of War: Dark Crusade has someone claiming that the Tau sterilize humans
Thats only for the Tau ending
brisk vine
Thats only for the Tau ending
Yeah, iirc someone from the Imperium claims that
queen laurel
would've been funnier if they literally were able to communicate verbally
The tyranids can but the hive mind finds verbal inputs easily exploitable
brisk vine
so I don't know how much credence you should give it
storm jungle
so I don't know how much credence you should give it
Yeah but these are the same people that have literal concentration camps and are space nazis
so dont get too hung up on it
lapis wadi
Nothing stopping the Tyranids from making a diplomat unit.
The hivemind is clearly intelligent.
It just doesn't want or care about what it's food thinks.
storm jungle
They did
queen laurel
Nothing stopping the Tyranids from making a diplomat unit.
The hivemind is clea...
Funny you should say that because they actually did have a diplomatic unit
