40k-lore-chat

[green loom]

There's a reason there's like

10 standalone space marine factions

[viral halo]

and an entire other game dedicated to space marines v space marines

[green loom]

Marketing kinda plays a role ig but I doubt that would really change things

Like

Space marines will still be obscenely popular

[viral halo]

Ppl just like cool shit

Ive never met someone IRL who plays Genestealer cults

[green loom]

I've never met someone irl who plays warhammer

[viral halo]

That's crazy

[near wasp]

Ive never seen them stocked

[viral halo]

That's cause some fat fuck shows up at 4am on delivery day and buys them all

My old LGS has TONS sitting on the shelves and it's quite funny

man maybe I should pick up a knight for no reason

[green loom]

I struggled to afford my starter set with 3 marines

Shit's expensive man

[viral halo]

There were some years my father didn't even make 100 grand-Chael Sonnon

warhammer is insanely expensive

I buy all secondhand on Ebay

haven't bought a model direct from GW in years

[green loom]

I go through a local 3rd party store

"local"

Halfway across the country

[viral halo]

Fuck I gotta paint when I get home

[green loom]

I gotta paint as well

(digitally)

[arctic talon]

Ironically stormcast aren’t AoS’s best selling minis

Iirc

They were for a while

But the Lumineth took over

[arctic talon]

I know one guy irl who does lol

Out of the like 20 something people that show up regularly at the LGS I go to

Worst selling faction for 40K is prolly GSC by far

[viral halo]

Age of Sigmar has some absolutely fantastic models

[arctic talon]

Which is a shame

Because they’re very cool visually

[arctic talon]

It does tbh

Honestly the best fantasy minis in the industry imo

[patent ivy]

You guys play the fantasy as much as 40K?

[arctic talon]

Nothing compares in terms of buildability

[arctic talon]

No I only play 40K at full scale

I have a few AoS minis but not enough to play a full game

[patent ivy]

Gotcha

How much have you invested into minis and stuff

[arctic talon]

Too much

Over many years

I’m well over 2 thousand dollars spent on plastic crack

Over several years

[patent ivy]

Oh that’s not a lot

[arctic talon]

Because I collect slowly

And I buy second hand a lot

It’s a ton still

[patent ivy]

You made it sound like it was a new car’s worth

[arctic talon]

But it isn’t as high as some other people

[arctic talon]

I mean

2 thousand is a lot to spend on toy soldiers lol

But there’s people who have spent far more then me on this hobby

[patent ivy]

If it makes you happy. Not like you are spending it on drugs or keys to loot boxes

[arctic talon]

True

And they have re sale value

[patent ivy]

Exactly

[arctic talon]

But still it’s comical how much space marines sell

In comparison to every other faction

They make up well over 50% of all 40K sales lol

[patent ivy]

Damn really

[arctic talon]

Yes

This is as of 2022

So it might be out of date

But it’s much better then the original ratio of 70% of all minis sold were marines lol

[patent ivy]

Crazy

So mostly just marine battles back then?

[arctic talon]

Ehh not really

There was def a higher ratio of marine to non marine players back then

But marines still make up a majority of what’s bought I’d assume

[patent ivy]

Ah ok

[arctic talon]

Nowadays you get more variety on average

[patent ivy]

How many points do you play for armies

[arctic talon]

2000 is the standard

But anywhere from 500 upwards

[patent ivy]

Ok

[arctic talon]

Is what I’d consider fun

[coarse pumice]

I’m not sure 500 is playable

[patent ivy]

How many do you normally play

[arctic talon]

It is

It’s just not very balanced

[arctic talon]

2000

[coarse pumice]

Remember when you could fit a wraithknight and character in 500

[patent ivy]

Is there a limit

[arctic talon]

No

But over 3k is when the game starts becoming silly

Imo

[patent ivy]

So could people do a 100k game

[coarse pumice]

The game falls apart beyond 3000

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[patent ivy]

Ah ok 🤣

[arctic talon]

It really doesn’t work well past 3k lol

[coarse pumice]

I never liked the apocalypse format either, when playing armies that size they really needed that other scale back

[arctic talon]

Epic?

Yeah

[coarse pumice]

It’s nice that it’s kind of coming back but

Stuck in HH time

[arctic talon]

If we’re lucky

It’ll have 40K eventually

[coarse pumice]

Ironically Space Marines weren’t a very easy army in old Epic iirc

[patent ivy]

You guys play DND at all? That’s the only game I got TT experience with

[arctic talon]

I do play dnd

[coarse pumice]

General imperial was more common, with guard and some titans

[arctic talon]

Tbh with how LI looks

Running solar auxillia

Looks much easier to play then marines lol

[coarse pumice]

And Eldar and Orks for your main flavours, with Marines as a very specialist force

Lol I guess like old times

[patent ivy]

Are there any 40K equivalents? Or maybe something like SW5E

[coarse pumice]

I missed the bus for old epic though

[arctic talon]

All the good 40K RPGs are d100 games

[coarse pumice]

Yes but they weren’t great

[arctic talon]

So think Call of Cthulhu

[patent ivy]

Ah fr?

[coarse pumice]

Dark Heresy was alright afaik

[arctic talon]

There’s some

Really bad D20 systems for 40K

I do not recommend playing them

[coarse pumice]

Dark Heresy is long out of print though

[patent ivy]

What the D100’s name?

[coarse pumice]

WHFB has a role play system that’s very old

The FB role play system is fun but pretty deadly and silly

[arctic talon]

Dark heresy and imperium maladictum

Are the main ones people like

Malidictum is very new

However

There’s also only war and deathwatch

If you wana play as a guardsmen or marine

Malidictim is imperium only

Dark heresy has rules for xenos PCs

[coarse pumice]

Rogue Trader too

[patent ivy]

That’s fine for me. I dunno if I’ll even get the chance to play anyways

[coarse pumice]

Which I think had the same core rules as Dark Heresy, just with a Rogue Trader theme rather than Inquisition

[arctic talon]

Wrath and glory is a d20 system of questionable usability

It’s not very balanced

[coarse pumice]

W&G didn't look good when I briefly looked over it

[arctic talon]

It’s not imo

[coarse pumice]

I haven't tried it but the rules didn't look promising

[arctic talon]

Don’t bother imo

Not worth it

[coarse pumice]

when I played Dark Heresy, I literally compelely random rolled my character

[arctic talon]

Unless you really wana run some weird hodgepodge of a party

With like an Ork, marine, eldar and inqusitor lol

[patent ivy]

Alright

[celest dome]

Dark Heresy is the best system

[arctic talon]

I like malidictum a ton

Tbh

You’re really playing the “dregs” of the imperium so to speak

[celest dome]

I'd love to see this though, as bad as W&G is

[arctic talon]

W&G has great art

Tbh

[celest dome]

Oh right Malidictum is the new one no ?

[arctic talon]

Yeah based on dark heresy 2e

[celest dome]

We used Dark Heresy and Necromunda (Old one) for rpg

Were a group of Enforcers, but each of us had been press ganged into being one, so we had House inspired story and stuff

[arctic talon]

Fancy

The party for my imperium maladictum campaign was a group of people that had seen too much, but were too useful to kill lol

So they got disappeared

[viral halo]

I think it's so funny that eldar are these graceful immortal beings that can just get plugged by a las bolt

[arctic talon]

Tbh

It is a laser lol

Enough saturated fire and they can’t dodge it heh

[viral halo]

same thing in fantasy

nice ghost nerd heres a musket ball

[knotty acorn]

Ok I popped this question in the memes and they had no clue let's try here with the lore enthusiasts. Would dreadnoughts feel flattered or disgusted if a female adeptus mechanicus flirted with them?

[warm notch]

why would a female admech flirt

[knotty acorn]

Let's just say they did for the sake of the question

They can't tie down dreadnought

[storm jungle]

Your first mistake was asking anything to meme chat

[knotty acorn]

True

But what's the answer

[storm jungle]

Secondly, it entirely depends on the dreadnaught

[knotty acorn]

Ah

[storm jungle]

im pretty sure the only thing you could get is if it was a Space Wolf dreadnaught because ancient guys like Bjorn the Fellhanded do stuff like that sometimes as a jest lol

[knotty acorn]

So the average dreadnought would just be "begone harlot and let me rest"

[storm jungle]

pretty much

Its very much like asking what a WW2 vet would do if a nurse from today tried to flirt with them

just add more trauma and being trapped in a metal box

[knotty acorn]

NEVER TOO OLD TOO HAVE FUN! OR TRAUMATIZED

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

Also instead of being in like

A wheelchair

You're actually just a tube of organs

[storm jungle]

And need to be put under constantly so you dont wanna unsubscribe from life

💀

[knotty acorn]

A dreadnaught can gloat too other Marines tho that shit be funny "I'm in a fucking coffin and I get more game then you"

[arctic talon]

Most Marines don’t have sex drives 🤓

[knotty acorn]

Didint stop gullimen

[viral halo]

in betrayer when the captain sees the space marines dick she goes "shame you cant use that thing"

whyd she have to roast his ass like that

[green loom]

In Emperor's Gift I think there's a similar comment

[arctic talon]

Guilliman isn’t a marine

[knotty acorn]

Jesus Christ even khorne would be jealous of that diss

[arctic talon]

Also in one of the grey knights books an inquisitor mentions how a grey knight has been “blessed by the emperor”

And he doesn’t get it so he asks his captain what the inqusitor means

And then he still doesn’t get the joke after that lol

[green loom]

No she says his ascension was a great shame

lol

[knotty acorn]

HOLY

[arctic talon]

Lol

Same difference

[normal light]

stop this discussion now or local arbiters patrol will be dispatched to your location

[arctic talon]

No

[knotty acorn]

Him after that

[normal light]

By such discussion you are rising activity of local Slaanesh cults

[patent ivy]

How much will Rogue Trader be?

[normal light]

?

[green loom]

Oh no, you've cauight on to my master plan

[green loom]

40 bucks

[soft thunder]

So yall think Atoma and the Moebian Domain are part of the Imperium Sanctus or Nihilis? I've assumed we are on the Sanctus side with all the player dialogue of how bad Nihilis is atm.

[green loom]

We're probably in Sanctus

[normal light]

Sanctus

[patent ivy]

Thanks

[green loom]

They sell it on their website atm, look for Owlcat

Prices aren't on steam etc. yet

[patent ivy]

Oh ok I was wondering why I didn’t see something

[normal light]

Owlcat 🤢

[storm jungle]

Absolute heresy

[green loom]

Wa'z wrong with Owlycat

[normal light]

You know from where this company?

[green loom]

They're based in Leningrad iirc

heh

Leningrad

[patent ivy]

How’s the beta

[green loom]

St Petersburg

[normal light]

So I don’t need to explain you how taxes work?

[normal light]

And that game companies also pay them

[green loom]

I mean I'm not about to jump into that rabbit hole

[normal light]

And where taxes go

Also same thing with Space Marine 2

[patent ivy]

I’m lost, what’s wrong with the company and why are taxes mentioned with them

[normal light]

It’s made by Russian division of “I forgot the name of game company”

[green loom]

They're Russian

Crab is Ukrainian I think

[normal light]

Company gets money from you buying game

It pays taxes to government

Taxes go to war

[patent ivy]

Ah

[normal light]

Simple scheme

Ok , let’s not continue this topic , I gave you information to think about.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/256930339878993920/1169657173425528832/RDT_20231102_1118167510008788958270804.jpg?ex=65563321&is=6543be21&hm=9394d0084e18eb4f1db8cf698218fa34bd7b00f2e6ffc5d4224c87cafc85851c&

[warm notch]

Do you guys think that Hadron is a tsundere

She seems to be really tsundere-coded

[normal light]

Tsundere?

What is this?

[warm notch]

AKA

“It’s not like I like you or anything . . . BAKA!”

[patent ivy]

…

[normal light]

Well there are different tech priests

And I think there more chances that is just some psychological disorder

[patent ivy]

Jackie are you a big anime person?

[warm notch]

She seems to take great pleasure in teasing the rejects that it seems more out of actual affection (as much as a person can give in the Imperium)

Like the part where the Ogryn asks if Hadron is watching their every move and then Hadron literally hijacks the PSA system (instead of the comm system) to tell the Ogryn that she isn’t

[storm jungle]

She is a bit of a bitch too though

also very pro-slavery

💀

[warped briar]

Hadron when she fucks up your blessings on purpose evil smug laughter while calling you a varlet

[storm jungle]

She got your money

You meanwhile

"COME BACK WHEN YOU ARE A LITTLE MMMM, VARLET-IER"

[warm notch]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-drool-gif-24399822

[warped briar]

Checks out, she’s probs complete made of plasteel at this point

[jade holly]

How it feels to fight monstrosities as Shocktrooper Vet

[warm notch]

wait can't normal humans be functionally immortal (as in, never age) with the Imperium's health technology

then whats the point of calling into question the "weakness of flesh"

[patent ivy]

I dunno if it’d be worth it to live forever in this universe

[storm jungle]

Spoilers: ||It wouldn't 💀 ||

[warm notch]

Unless you live like the most mundane, cushy life ever possible in the Imperium

Doesn't sound too bad ig

[warped briar]

No, I’d rather die to a chaos beast than live forever in 40k

[warm notch]

yeah but

[normal light]

You live longer if you’re a regular citizen and lucky enough

[warm notch]

femboy adepta sororitas

[normal light]

But like you still die

[normal light]

Last words?

[patent ivy]

I’d rather go out on my own terms

But I guess that’s not something given often

[arctic talon]

Because it is in fact weak

Compared to the strength of steel

The flesh is weak is very literal

Weakness in strong emotions, combat, durability

Your average tech priest can take a shot from a bolter and keep going

[storm jungle]

Best thing close to that is basically a Hired Gun and finding the right employment in something like a Rogue Trader, thats THE most "free" adventurous life you can get.

[normal light]

Flesh as Bio form could be able to work longer

[soft thunder]

Any female savant players remember what she says about the wolfer wolf dream? All I remember are my karkin' teeth falling out and laughing at me

[arctic talon]

Also rejuvinat treatments start failing

Over time

[normal light]

Psyker tell that their is some Wolf

Hiding

[arctic talon]

Wolf hiding in Tertium that’s going to devour the hive city

[normal light]

And being ready to consume whole hive

[arctic talon]

And it’s not a simple beast

It’s a malicious being

[normal light]

Yeah

Like it has malicious mind

[normal light]

In terms of service

[warm notch]

Wolf vore

Kinda hot ngl

[soft thunder]

thanks I think that hit the key notes of the quote. Going to try and record it next time I see it.

[arctic talon]

[warm notch]

Hey ELIT3WOLF 👀

What’s going on

[storm jungle]

Jackie I'm legit going to kill you

[arctic talon]

[warped briar]

Not lore related smh

[soft thunder]

does the male savant have any similar dream lines?

[arctic talon]

Tldr hadron prolly thinks we’re a bunch of weaklings

[arctic talon]

He has the Zola dream line

[warped briar]

Varlets actually

[arctic talon]

But he shares that one

With the female savant

[soft thunder]

ya

think those are the only 2

[warm notch]

Seer talks about a shadow looming over Atoma

[soft thunder]

I'll start looking into seer lines next then. and ya the shadow could be the 6th, dregs*, genestealers, hell maybe we're the shadow

[urban spire]

rejuvenat treatments lose effectiveness over time and it gets more expensive to keep them up

[storm jungle]

https://youtu.be/sYHX0uJDSik

Take a look at Male Savant, he might have something

NO WAIT

THIS IS SEER MY BAD

[arctic talon]

[soft thunder]

ah yes true bonding conversation begin with 'Shut and Keep it to yourself' Psykers make the best of friends

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Wonder if it’s just the loner

Who reads everyone’s mind for fun

Or if all the psykers do it lol

[soft thunder]

I love the line from M seer to M fanatic. Where the seer is just like "We're friends now, I've decided." and I just imagine the meme w/ the kid picking up a rat and running off

https://9gag.com/gag/abV1DKL

[storm jungle]

Seer is legit evil-crazy

so it fits lmao

[warped briar]

me with F fanatic just spout crap

[soft thunder]

and the fanatic is just like "..wha.. am not!"

F fanatics feels like she just gets so amny more lines than male

[remote fable]

Did you know that in Rogue Trader there are these guys called Space Marines? They wear big armor and serve the Greater Good of a man who's elected as Emperor every 10 thousand years!

[warped briar]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-emperor-warhammer40000-warhammer40k-astartes-gif-14334202

[storm jungle]

That's some crazy shit

[patent ivy]

WOLF VORE??

[storm jungle]

AAAA

[arctic talon]

[warped briar]

truly the salamanders are the best chapter

[remote fable]

The only chapter worth a damn are the crimson fists, the poster boys

Anything is better than those ultramarines

They have a filthy half Eldar as their librarian

[arctic talon]

A few decades out of date

Heh

[remote fable]

What do you mean, I'm reading this straight out of white dwarf

Did you get this month's white dwarf? The rules changes are wild

[storm jungle]

my guy just came out of stasis

💀

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/i'll-kill-you-tim-robinson-i-think-you-should-leave-with-tim-robinson-angry-mad-gif-9099818194528470076

[knotty acorn]

Dosent surprise me she's into the bond of the rope kind

[storm jungle]

No its the one where you work until you die and get tortured

[knotty acorn]

It's also a word for slavery

[storm jungle]

[knotty acorn]

What made you think I was talking about?

Go ahead

[arctic talon]

Tbh no tech priest worth their salt is anti slavery lol

[plush mason]

facts

[arctic talon]

In fact they might have been a slave earlier in life lol

Under another tech priest as a student

[jade holly]

Imagine being in the Imperium and disliking free additional labor

[arctic talon]

Real

[knotty acorn]

https://youtu.be/g1FmcSepfOs?si=leTEpaEdklck-R8j

Aslong she calls me a good varlet

[old apex]

the player psyker is probably an epsilon grade psyker, yeah?

[green loom]

Iirc roundabout there

Pretty hard to categorize though I'd say

[crisp heath]

Question for anybody deep into the Custodes lore. If the Custodes were the Emperor's first gene-crafted psycho-indoctrinated warriors than how are they not stronger than Primarchs? The typical space marine/thunder warriors that followed after the Primarchs aren't stronger than the Custodes so how does that make sense?

[green loom]

If you make a fork, then how come the knife you make after isn't a fork also

It's different things, serving different purposes, on different scales using different technology

[crisp heath]

Do we know why the Emperor made the Primarchs stronger than Custodes?

[green loom]

Specifically? Dunno

[crisp heath]

I would think that you would want your personal bodyguards to be stronger than any other creation that could possibly turn on you.

[green loom]

I mean custodes were companions first and bodyguards second

Mostly because Emps doesn't really need bodyguards lol

[crisp heath]

When did that switch happen?

[green loom]

Like there's a Custodes squad accompanying guilliman as bodyguards rn

And their leader remarks that Guilliman just doesn't need them

Imagine that gap in power but scaled to Emps vs his Custards

[crisp heath]

Emps sent Custodes to accompany Guilliman correct?

[arctic talon]

There's also the fact that the custodes served as like

his elite shock troops as well

during the Reunification wars

Like they were his best of the best compared to the thunder warriors

and whatever normal soldiers he had

[green loom]

And they were a power move with him taking the kids of conquered warlords into their ranks

Like fancier Jannisaries

[jade holly]

So what is the official make up of the Inquisition?

I know there’s like different levels of Ordo

And there are multiple Inquisitors who act independently

Do all Inquisitors fall within Ordo Hereticus?

[green loom]

Virtually all inquisitors are independent

There's 3 major ordos

Xenos, Hereticus and Malleus

There's no command chain beyond cliques and minor ordos

[jade holly]

So does each of the three main ordos just mean what the inquisitors who fall within those ordos face off against?

Xenos, Heretics and traitors respectively?

[green loom]

Xenos for Xenos
Traitors in general for Hereticus
And specifically warp/daemonic bs for Malleus

Heretics and traitors are one in the same

[jade holly]

Ok

[green loom]

But it's very rough

[jade holly]

So Malleus is where you’d find more of the witch hunters then?

[green loom]

Hereticus are the Witch Hunters

[jade holly]

Oh

What are Xenos and Malleus called then?

[green loom]

The ordos don't really entirely determine what you'll be dealing with
Like Eisenhorn is Ordo Xenos an he dealt chiefly with warp bullshit

[green loom]

Just xenos and Malleus afaik

Witch Hunters for Hereticus is just a fancy name

[jade holly]

Might as well be called the Spanish Inquisition

Which, fun fact, were expected

They sent a 30 days notice before they showed up

[patent ivy]

They should make a sisters game

Like how they have a space marine game

[storm jungle]

Basically

Most Inquisitors that are "like minded" usually form a conclave

which is literally just their Special Club

and from there they just operate and judge each other through that while keeping in touch, most conclaves can be from 5-10 members to hundreds

Some meanwhile just operative entirely solo and sometimes keep in touch with other colleagues for assistance etc.

They are basically a mix of secret police / private detectives in a sense.

[tulip brook]

"likeminded" as in most likely promoted to being an inquisitor from the retinue of another who is also became inquisitor when their master became a lord inquisitor

a circle of people working together for generations

[storm jungle]

Nah it can be anything.

[plush mason]

so conclaves are literally just mmo guilds lol

[storm jungle]

You can literally be invited to join a conclave because the members go "I like the way you think son"

[storm jungle]

LITERALLY yeah

you even have high ranking inquisitors who act as a clan leader

[plush mason]

lol

[storm jungle]

you can also get "banned"

from life

for doing sus stuff

[tulip brook]

they have the right to call anyone to their service but well darktide actually nails it with how it's done, working for them for a long time to earn a permanent place in the retinue then working for more to be a candidate

[storm jungle]

Inquisitors are basically done with an RPG mindset in mind yeah

[tulip brook]

bright side is they are set for generations once they start wearing stuff with I symbol everywhere

[plush mason]

one of the last hurtles to becoming an inquisitor is getting 2 other inquisitors to approve your promotion right?

[storm jungle]

Yep

not counting the Inquisitor that was already vouching for you and put the notion forward.

[plush mason]

so working for an inquisitor that is part of a conclave could make that easier

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much, you already hit it in the head by saying its an MMO guild lol

it literally more or less works on the same logistics

"Okay but like i know you like this guy but we cant just invite him willy nilly"

[tulip brook]

iirc most candidates are taken from schola progenium

they are trained to be an inquisitor from a very young age

[storm jungle]

They can be from any background

[plush mason]

afaik anyone can become an interrogator and start on the path to become an inquisitor

[arctic talon]

Explicator -> interrogator -> inqusitor

[plush mason]

yeah

[storm jungle]

Theres also uh

a lot of other ranks you can assign to someone

or just make up on the spot

because of course

[plush mason]

its an rpg faction whom's lore is largely linked to the game mechanics lol

[storm jungle]

Yep thats literally how it is

Dark Heresy the RPG basically encourages you to get creative with it

[plush mason]

ofc that means the faction is a mess continuity wise

[storm jungle]

Yeah you basically can imagine it in any way

for the sake of easy consumption though the lore usually just sticks to Conclaves as the basic format

or Inquisitors that just act solo

[plush mason]

i imagine even with-in the conclaves the members often have their own system for how they do things

[storm jungle]

Pretty much

[tulip brook]

they aren't bound by any rule so it's safe to imagine they make up their own

[storm jungle]

The freedom is immense but all it takes is one or two fuckups for you to lose everything.

[plush mason]

yup

thats why most stuff about the inquisiton just focuses on 1 inquisitor or just a small handful

[storm jungle]

Yeah otherwise your audience will get confused

[plush mason]

yup

[green loom]

I really like the concept of an inquisitor that's focused on maintaining a sort of "Hub" for his conclave

And inquisitorial strongholds in general

[storm jungle]

That would legit be a job too

"Where am I gonna place this giant at hmmm."

[safe vigil]

Realizes his true falling as a hotel manager

[knotty acorn]

I have discovered why male guardsman are so valuable too the imperium. Prepare for high quality schizophrenia

[arctic talon]

wha

are you cooking

[knotty acorn]

Space Marines can't fuck, adeptus can't fuck, eldar can't reproduce with humans (supposedly but that's a lie) same thing with tau (lie). And humanity needs constant man power for the imperium. Sisters of battle CAN fuck but sense they can't fuck space Marines they go too guardsmen and sense we are always horny we are prime breeding stock for other xeno races. We are not thrown too death and never retreat not cause our leaders don't care it's if we are caught other xeno races are likely too boom in population while we need more we abled genetic perfect fighters from sisters of battle.

While guardsman are trained for war and battle and sisters are refined by war meaning perfect genetics for war

[queen laurel]

Aight, I need coffee for this

[tulip brook]

those are definitely some words that form sentences

[knotty acorn]

IM TELLING YOU ITS TRUE

[plush mason]

what did i just read?

at the same time i cant really saying anything as i have been in another discord talking about something in a similar vain lol

[knotty acorn]

I just explained eugenics pretty much

And how important male guardsmen are

Same thing with female guards

[plush mason]

yeah

[knotty acorn]

But yeah guardsman are the backbone of the imperiums forces

Trust

Imagine what would happen if human males managed too breed with eldar shit gets wild in genetics 100%

imagine the child of gullimen and yvraine we talkin whole new version of race

[undone zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-bye-bye-byee-bye-gif-bye-james-gif-25047427

Ok gonna keep away from lorechat for a while

[soft thunder]

anyone know if Lord Margrave was the one to redirect the Moebian 6th back to Atoma?

[knotty acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/ms-señora-puff-spongebob-bob-gif-25847889

[dusky scroll]

Lore-wise, which faction is in the worst state possible?
By worst I meant the weakest and in the most danger of getting extinct... or reduced to lower stage of civilization.

[plush mason]

the dark eldar afaik

big part of why they only raid poorly defended targets

[soft thunder]

I mean the tau have like 8 planets under thier control or something? Dark eldar also don't seem to have sustainable lifestyles

wait no its like 100

[plush mason]

yeah their empire is decently sized

and their tech is crazy advanced

they are also just small enough to be ignored by most of the really big players of the galaxy

[safe vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/black-heart-raiders-warhhammer40k-drukhari-ravager-reavers-gif-17873389

[arctic talon]

Species cannot cross breed in 40k

[soft thunder]

All the 40k factions are pretty strong in the larger scope. most weaker factions were steam roled in the imperial crusade and slaanesh's gender reveal party

[knotty acorn]

lie told by big imperium

[arctic talon]

its not a lie

its confirmed by a haemonculus lol

[knotty acorn]

all lies

[arctic talon]

[knotty acorn]

but what if its made possible?

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-meme-cook-gif-1177116184918006692

If a Dark Eldar Haemonculi can't do it then no one can lol

[plush mason]

mine now

[arctic talon]

Ima be real with you

[knotty acorn]

we can figure it out

your doubting the ability of humans

[knotty acorn]

i will break into the kitchen and cook again

[arctic talon]

When it comes to genetic manipulation nothing matches the Homunculi

Of the Druhkari lol

[knotty acorn]

but what about tau tech?

[plush mason]

dudes can regrow a dark eldar from a single finger

[arctic talon]

childs play

[knotty acorn]

so your saying tau can cause cross breeding

[arctic talon]

A major Haemonculi coven was sure they could clone the emperor

lol

[warm notch]

When she steals all over my genes

[arctic talon]

Genestealers don't breed with humans for one

they just fuck with your reproductive system

and then when you have kids with another human a 1st generation hybrid pops out

then when 2 1st generation hybrid have a kid

they have a 2nd generation hybrid come out

ect.

[safe vigil]

there was a cool hammer and bolter episode with gene stealer cults

[arctic talon]

hybrid generations cannot interbreed

[safe vigil]

it finally gave me the image of the 1984 imperium

[warm notch]

Literally 1984

[arctic talon]

no

The Tau generally aren't good at genetic manipulation

[broken zenith]

literally 451 smh

[urban spire]

point of order, this is part of the genestealer reproductive cycle, which means they do technically breed with humans, just not in a way that (most) humans would be into

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[lunar harness]

trained well
good genetics

??? thats not how genetics works lmao

[knotty acorn]

ITS GOOD ENOUGH

if they passeed training there genetics are already good enough

[undone zodiac]

Pretty much anyone can hit up to guard

So i highly doubt

[median marsh]

Any random shmuck can become a guardsman while Sisters are exclusively recruited form Schola Progenia

[safe vigil]

Well

As always with most 40k stuff there's a gradient and shit

Some planets have the process that the Guard are recruited from the best of the PDF

[median marsh]

Guardsmen vary, some are basically just random Bob from the lower hives with little to no training while others are highly disciplined and trained soldiers

[safe vigil]

Which must truly suck, lossing the best of a generation of defence troops too the war effort

Yeah theres never a single answer

[sonic breach]

Depends really, some do not even know how to shoot a Lasgun, and are just there as Fleshbags

[knotty acorn]

Y'all taking a shit post in the end srsly damn

[median marsh]

No fun allowed >:C

Your sentence is to hold this totally not exploding plasma gun

[sonic breach]

Puhhh, for a second here I thought that it would explode, but your totally not exploding reassured me

[knotty acorn]

Can I lick it seductively

[median marsh]

Which is kinda true because plasma guns sorta just blow up near instantly

imagine being the guardsman who has no idea how plasmas work

"my gun is making funny noi-" instantly evaporated

[sonic breach]

He did not care for the machine spirit

[median marsh]

Tfw you forget to sing a hymn to your gun so it just blows up with you

[knotty acorn]

I licked it and It blew ||on|| me

[undone zodiac]

Or alternatively planet keeps best for itself and sends out the rabble

[sonic breach]

As long as the Imperial Tithe is paid, but some planets see it as their Duty to only send the best. And then there is Catachhan where every baby is better then your standart guardsmen

[undone zodiac]

Of course

[jade holly]

There’s a lot of talk of Morrow being older than he seems

Anything about that?

Possible Perpetual?

[storm jungle]

No its more that he got lost in the Warp

his ship had an accident before Grendyl found him

[celest dome]

And Rejuvenating treatments

[storm jungle]

that too

[plush mason]

time is funky in the warp. its fully possible for a ship to leave port and arrive at it's destination before it left port lol

or for the ship to be lost in the warp for 800 years while for the crew it was little more than a year

[queen laurel]

yeah an ork literally got catapulted back in time and he got to kill himself

[plush mason]

yup

took his gun iirc

[queen laurel]

yeah instead of teaming up he killed himself to get two of his favorite gun

[plush mason]

lmao yup

[median marsh]

Classic ork maneuver

There's an imperial book titled "How to avoid becoming your own grandfather"

[tough haven]

Anyone got any good beats to WAAAAAAGH an’ krump to?

[plush mason]

for real?

[tough haven]

Don’t. Fuck. ANYONE. In the past.

[queen laurel]

https://youtu.be/oc4mr8a4H7c?si=yansSLm1wKMWav2L

[median marsh]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Avoiding_Becoming_Your_Own_Grandfather_And_Other_Paradoxes_That_Create_Unnecessary_Paperwork_for_the_Administratum

[queen laurel]

Orks don't have a concept of time paradoxes, so they're fine

[tough haven]

Yeah but that might get a little annoying to play over TTS while I’m playing orks lol

[tough haven]

Orks also can’t fuck

And if they see anyone related to themselves, they’ll probably just kill each other

[plush mason]

a very real problem in a universe where time travel is just a fact of life

[tough haven]

I’ve got a playlist of mostly dawn of war music and any songs that sound Orky for when I’m playing as orks, but it gets a little repetitive so I’m looking for more

Here’s two of my favs

https://youtu.be/P5y2WONKZSE?si=OxpR9tga0nuid87_

Or if you like lyrics

https://youtu.be/ncv4dlvPUwU?si=3n0Rnb6wYc5n2z52

Then there’s this one

https://youtu.be/XlpXl69U2W4?si=7VC94q_BnwDlEHtJ

[queen laurel]

https://youtu.be/whxcq4I0kAo?si=FmNRHZ6TzdTnCROD

This one a favorite of mine

[tough haven]

Oh yeah, I got that one too, a classic

[tough haven]

I feel like the vibe of this song really encapsulates ork kultur

[queen laurel]

You also have Six Shoota?

[tough haven]

Yeah

[queen laurel]

Damn

Wait

[queen laurel]

You have this one?

https://youtu.be/fpSw3gwdF5c?si=bZbkxg8JwBkLyWLh

[green loom]

https://youtu.be/F7UZsc2v_Ag?si=98HJqT-x-we4KaV6

Dude

The hammer and bolter style is getting really good

Or is this more interrogator?

[storm jungle]

I was gonna say deffo Interrogator

lmao

[outer wave]

Wow, this is such an improvement since Warhammer+ was first implemented, animation wise.

[soft thunder]

guess what yall, Atoma has camel racing

[warm notch]

Camellid*

Ackshually 🤓

[soft thunder]

space-camels

also anyone know waht happened to the prison ship, Tancred Bastion, after the big wolfer prison break intro? Was it hijacked or taken back by loyalists? I've heard a F loose-cannon line mentioning it, but no real expository details

[celest dome]

We don't know, maybe we'll get it as a new mission Sector

Which I hope happen with a new Enforcer faction

[median marsh]

Its quite a sizable ship so I wouldn't be surprised if the conflict onboard is still going

[soft thunder]

Ya maybe we'll know when FS picks up the story thread for him again. Maybe he's linked w/ the mystery traitor house or something of a diplomat. idk what his significance is other than "some" captain

[spare osprey]

A boarding action mission could be dope tbh

[queen laurel]

I just want a mission where i can punch wolfer in his stupid face

Everytime i go to the torture chamber he speaks on and on

[celest dome]

Wolfer appeared again not so long ago
he is a Vocator

[winged jacinth]

When wolfe started talking to us in missions i went "who the hell is this guy" lol

[storm jungle]

I hope so because that is one of the best modelled levels in the game, wouldnt mind the starting portions being recycled before you move onto newer areas

[soft thunder]

ya the F LC only states "maybe I should've stayed on the Tancred Bastion and taken my chances." or something

[celest dome]

I just want the mission to start with those Assault Torpedo cinematic

[green loom]

We wouldn't be in torpedos

[celest dome]

Are Torpedo SM only ?

[green loom]

Afaik they're typically a marine thing yeah

[soft thunder]

ya he hacks into vox comms during one of the pirson assassination missions or something?

[winged jacinth]

Assault torpedos are rare even for marines i think

I mostly remember terminators using them

[green loom]

He has a few lines

Someone posted them all on YT

[queen laurel]

So what do guardsman do then they just teleport into the enemy ship?

[celest dome]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Shark_Assault_Boat

[green loom]

But only like a handful are in the game?

[celest dome]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Boarding_Torpedo

[storm jungle]

Boarding parties are usualy done through boats or torpedoes yeah

they arent rare

[median marsh]

"just fire me at the ship lmao"

[celest dome]

Seem like they are used by the navy too

[winged jacinth]

The tancred bastion is probably not that much of a warship

[celest dome]

It's a Transport Barge

[winged jacinth]

We can probably get storm raptors in

[soft thunder]

Ya the lines don't have too much exposition, just taunts and traitor boss monologuing

[storm jungle]

Bro thinks hes Adam Warlock

https://tenor.com/view/adam-warlock-gotg3-guardians-of-the-galaxy-meme-flying-gif-16191848131003490451

[median marsh]

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

The Ork storm boy about to crash face first into a valkyrie

[green loom]

I would love to go back to the Bastion

I made a new char to just look around the level

And there's a shitton of background crap

I hope they do more like

Ambient fight scenes

Alongside ours

[soft thunder]

Also, Masozi's ships etc, She calls them Stormhawks usually, right? Googling images etc, seems a lot more like Valkeries. Is Storm Hawk a variant or sub category or something? idk much about 40k vehicles

[celest dome]

Not that we know of, might be a game specific Valk variant

[green loom]

The Stormhawk is just what she calls her Valkyrie

[soft thunder]

maybe that or it's just her ship is named the "Storm Hawk"

[green loom]

The latter

[soft thunder]

probably ya

[green loom]

There's nonstop comments about exfil/drop with valkyries from morrow and stuff

So it's safe to assum,e

[winter vessel]

So do the members of the Argent Shroud just, not speak at all? Like a vow of silence after being inducted, or is it like the Sisters are just “women of a few words” who rarely talk. Because to them they basically live an “actions speak louder than words” lifestyle.

[arctic talon]

They do talk, they just don’t talk very much

[urban spire]

power went out in my house, someone remind me of the name of the spooky 40k audio thing on audible so i can listen to that by the fireplace with candles burning

[arctic talon]

The Watcher in the rain?

[urban spire]

thank you kindly

[patent ivy]

Whoever in here said Dark Angels were their favorite yesterday, you aren’t wrong

Just checked em out and that helmet design is sick

With the beaks

[storm jungle]

@spare osprey 👈

[spare osprey]

Which specifically?

[patent ivy]

Like this

[arctic talon]

those are Sons of Horus

[patent ivy]

Aw fr? Either way those helmets are dope

[spare osprey]

Same difference

[patent ivy]

Really reminds me of those Knight style helmets

[spare osprey]

Mhm

[celest dome]

Aren't those Beakies present in all the Legions ?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[patent ivy]

Damn really

Is it more of an older helmet? Some quick discussion posts I’m seeing are making it seem like it

[arctic talon]

its older yes

but its not so old its shit tier

[storm jungle]

Those are the roman inspired "generic" marines

lemme get some DA for you

[median marsh]

Dila if you wanna have a good laugh, look at memes channel

it's both funny and very painful

[storm jungle]

God I just looked

[median marsh]

[lapis wadi]

What's people's take on the second/third city of Atoma?
For context, there's a conversation that can be had that's basically "So what's with that second Hive City we're not supposed to talk about?" Zola: "Shut up and I'll pretend I didn't hear that" or words to that effect.
And Tertium means third, or "in relation to two others", implying that there is or at least was one more city. Maybe one that's perfectly normal and the rejects don't bother to talk about, admittedly.

[storm jungle]

@patent ivy

Here ya go

[median marsh]

The sister hive, forbidden to us is a mystery and also likely future content

Dialogue has interesting bits about it, such as Psyker claiming that it's population is not dead

[celest dome]

We know that there are 3 or more cities, and the one mentioned is most likely goind to be used for the Chaos Waste system imo

[patent ivy]

Dope

Thanks

[lapis wadi]

Corvus Power Armor is rad

What's the in-universe reasoning for the beak anyway

Oh apparently it's because they shoved a whole bunch of sensors in it, not sure why they put them in the helmet but..
Basically beakie marines can sniff you

I guess it's possible the sensors are all highly directional, so it's on the helmet to allow the wearer to direct them where they want

[green loom]

Sensor array or something

[median marsh]

yeah its designed to house additional system such as autosenses

[tulip brook]

people liked beakies a lot, now it's not raven guard signature anymore

popularity > lore

[storm jungle]

No you are wrong

uhhh I uhhh

something-something loyalists raided forge-world traxis-222

there, now it all makes sense

[arctic talon]

it was never a raven guard signature

tbf

it used to just be the marine head

and then they did the angry face

[storm jungle]

Yeah its when they were first around

had lots of vietnam-era esque paintjobs too

like sharkmouths

[celest dome]

Sharkmouth were great thought

[storm jungle]

Well yeah i aint denyin' it

[green loom]

Marines over the years

[spare osprey]

Yeah DA have pretty knightly helmets

Very Arthurian in nature

[median marsh]

time for my Akshually moment, Gaunts are perfectly designed for their role and actually do change depending on the situation

[patent ivy]

I liked them when they were black and not green though

Black colour scheme looks nicer

[storm jungle]

yeah that is a very normal take

[spare osprey]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

its a badass scheme

[spare osprey]

One of the reasons fallen are cool

[arctic talon]

I like the green scheme a lot

tbh

[spare osprey]

I enjoy both (30k a bit more) so I mixed them both for my homebrew

They’re good colors

[patent ivy]

Fallen Angels are interesting

Got mad at being on a planet for too long and got it blown up

[green loom]

The Green can be done really well

When you play into their style/theme

But it doesn't look great on generic marines

[tulip brook]

I don't really like black

as in, once I use black primer, I feel like I don't need to do anything anymore

all my black paintjobs end up looking boring

[lapis wadi]

I think the joke is a lack of tyranid models?
Someone who actually plays feel free to correct me

[green loom]

Their design stayed consistent

Is the joke

[patent ivy]

So can the dark angels still decide to have black paint or did they have to switch to green

[green loom]

Their 2nd company has black armour

Though there's successors with dif schemes so

It's whatever

[patent ivy]

Ah ok

[tulip brook]

bone looks great too

[patent ivy]

Not a fan of the Ultramarines with the red helmet

[tulip brook]

it's their sergeant helmet color

if you want to go by the book

[patent ivy]

Ah

Is it a reference to anything? Reminds me of Caesar in the HBO show Rome. Since it is a Greco-Roman themed Legion I figured it might be something like that

[keen stratus]

Psykers are just people who unlocked the true potential of autism
Change my mind

[spare osprey]

Yup

Ton more to it tbf but they’re a neat ass faction

[tulip brook]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Aeonid_Thiel

[arctic talon]

lore wise it used to be a mark for censure for Ultramarines too obsessed with figuring out how to kill other marines, it became a mark of honor after Calth

[patent ivy]

Oh okay

[spare osprey]

The disgraced UM’s after the Horse Henry’s broke out

https://tenor.com/view/i-told-you-warn-family-guy-black-woman-in-hindsight-gif-5391536

[patent ivy]

Haha

[spare osprey]

Wordiest gif I’ve ever seen

[patent ivy]

What’s your guys’ opinion on Sanguinius

[green loom]

I'm glad he's dead

[patent ivy]

Now that I think about it, do you guys think the new versions of Fallout Power Armour were inspired by the Warhammer suits?

Like making them big and bulky exosuits

[green loom]

They're probably just more realized

[patent ivy]

Hmm

[green loom]

Like they were pretty big and bulky in the top-down games from what I remembe r

It was 3's engine that was fucked

[patent ivy]

Yeah I guess you’re right

[storm jungle]

Yeah power-armor is also been a thing in sci-fi for awhile

[median marsh]

huge dudes in enormous armored suits make neurons activate

[patent ivy]

Shock and awe, right?

[median marsh]

its basically just free cool points for power fantasies, super soldier stuff etc

[patent ivy]

Newer fallout games were not that good

F4 was alright but I wish I didn’t buy F76 for sure

[median marsh]

i like that Power Armor actually felt like it made you a walking tank instead of just being a metal costume like in f3 and new vegas but having to constantly worry about powercells was annoying

i havent played 76 but i saw the entire mess around it

[patent ivy]

That wasn’t what ruined the games for me. I think them being the way they are now makes sense. F4 redesigned and rewrote guns in a very negative way

F4’s story sucked, but the map was really nice

[median marsh]

oh, the story was dreadful for sure

[patent ivy]

I don’t like how F76 makes you have to eat and drink constantly

[tulip brook]

for fo4 I can't point out one thing that made me quit, it's combination of almost everything being mid

[median marsh]

its, sadly, the standart for bethesda to release something that is then finished/improved by modders

they make good platforms for games to be built ontop of

[patent ivy]

For real! And it needs to stop being an excuse “Just download a mod”

I don’t care if modding in 2023 is easy now. I shouldn’t have to mod a game to fix what a AAA company failed to implement/do correctly

[warm notch]

Oh boy is it time for the daily fallout discourse in the 40k server?

[median marsh]

if todd was in 40k hed be an eldar

[warm notch]

I didn’t care for starfield

Fallout 4 is better than starfield

[patent ivy]

I didn’t even touch Starfield

[median marsh]

Starfield more like insane polygon count crate sim

[warm notch]

Starfield is fun and technically impressive (for Bethesda), but the age of the foundational systems of the Bethesda formula drags the experience down

[near wasp]

Starfield, spend 10 minutes walking for 2 minutes of content

[warm notch]

Fallout 4 was honestly the best balance

[tulip brook]

fallout and elder scrolls have their distinct iconic art direction and world building

[warm notch]

It’s really lame how outposts are handled in starfield

[tulip brook]

starfield looks and plays like every other space sim

[warm notch]

It’s not even a space sim

‘Space sim’ is very generous

Not saying that it’s a bad game

It’s just the most 7.5/10 game in existence

[near wasp]

It was like a 4/10 imo

[patent ivy]

I saw positive things about the game for the first week and I haven’t seen a good word mentioned since

[near wasp]

The only positive thing ive seen is somebody filled a room with potaoes

[green loom]

The game is one of those games that people like Sseth/Mandalore thrive in

So unless you can minmax/cheese the shit out of things you're probably gonna struggle or something

[arctic talon]

Starsector is much more fun for min maxing

I cannot reconfigure a fuel ship, remove all safety limiters and attach tons of armor onto it

And share the light of god ludd with heretics

Star sector is also one of the only games where I can supply weapons, food and illegaly harvested organs to terrorists while also supplying weapons to the people the terrorists are fighting

[green loom]

https://tenor.com/view/nicolas-cage-smoking-cigarette-lord-of-war-taking-a-drag-gif-20367466

[arctic talon]

Indeed

it also makes you good at avoiding taxes

because taxes cut into profit

and a government is willing to overlook my black market dealing because I'm the only source of food into a system

simply kill anyone else importing food into a system whenever they get close, and be the only source of food

if they cross you starve them out

Simple as

Which is why Starsector will always be the best space sim to me

you can do so many different things in it ranging from morally good to absolutely reprehensible

[normal light]

Crap , I want Starsector but it`s costs so much..

[arctic talon]

It’s 15$, so less then starfield

Actually i just realized

The currency doesn’t change

Nvm

[normal light]

Still I don`t know if the currency can converse

[arctic talon]

You can pay for it via a credit/debit card iirc

And I know you can buy it directly with euros

Not sure aside from that tho

[dense dawn]

So is the omnissiah the emperor

[lapis wadi]

Yes

[dense dawn]

Okay good I couldn't get a clear answer on that forever

[soft thunder]

Or at least the Emperor pretends he is.

[dense dawn]

So he's playing the mechanicus?

[soft thunder]

Possibly, most of the dissenters who didn't think so sided w/ Horus in the heresy and are now the dark mechanicum within the eye of teerror

[lapis wadi]

Traditional AdMech view is that the Emperor is the prophet of the Machine God and.. kind of like a Buddha, a living example of perfection or transcendence.
The Emperor's personal view is probably "If it means they listen to me then sure, I'm the prophet of their god."

[dense salmon]

The emperor demonstrated a psychic manipulation of technology to convince the cult of Mars that he was the omnissiah or an avatar of him

The cult of Mars wasn't entirely convinced but did throw their support behind him

The cult of Mars is not the imperial cult

[lapis wadi]

Of course, he did end up uncannily resembling the icon of the Mechanicus after being entombed on the Golden Throne.
So...

[dense salmon]

Some of the tech priests believe he is the omnissiah, but not all of them do

[dense dawn]

Okay so he actually works as the machine spirit to help the empirium while also keeping the mechanicus as allies

[dense salmon]

To that end the empire tolerates the mechanicum's divergent beliefs

[dense dawn]

Or rather keep them at bay

[dense salmon]

There are people who would argue if machine spirits are even real

[soft thunder]

To the Adeptus Mechanicus (post heresy cult of the machine god) 100% believe the Emperor is the Omnissiah. They seem right for the most part.

[dense dawn]

True lol

[dense salmon]

On the one hand, the rites and litanies performed on equipment improves their performance

On the other hand, if I regularly oiled and respected my knife, it would probably last a while

[dense dawn]

So that humahuma shit actually works?

[dense salmon]

Evidence is anecdotal, but we know the warp has a zeitgeist property

If enough people believe in something, it is manifested in the warp

[normal light]

They are* real at least in some very Technological equipment

[dense salmon]

The warp is everything. Every emotion is manifested in the warp

For every thing that occurs in Realspace, an equal reaction occurs in the warp

[dense dawn]

Speakong of which
What exactly is the psyche that the orks have

[storm jungle]

Basically the Omnissiah is the living avatar of the Machine God, hence the "Messiah" bit.

The Emperor showed up on Mars during the genesis of the Great Crusade and touched a machine to fix it with his psychic powers and that got a good portion of Mars to worship him.

In reality hes just a pretender, the real Omnissiah is something else that we don't know the true identity of.

Machine Spirits are also left unexplained but its less the machines having actual "spirits" and more just leftover technological/artificial evidence and other automated stuff in them since its all human tech in nature, naturally the admech like to believe that their religious mumbo-jumbo actually works when its the opposite. The lore just doesn't give a claer answer on it as to not ruin the mystery.

[dense salmon]

As always the machine spirit thing is up to interpretation. If the majority of humanity believe in machine spirits, the warp could manifest them

Like a Tulsa

Tulpa*

[dense dawn]

It's the void dragon

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats what I said.

[storm jungle]

Basically can be anything ye

[storm jungle]

And the Ork Waaagh powers are basically a passive psychic vicinity thing where it acts as paranormal duct-tape to keep the tech they have working, its mostly just that to keep their shit in working order.

The only weird magical stuff performed by them happens through Weirdboys which is ork psykers.

[normal light]

Vashtorr becoming the Machine Spirit

[storm jungle]

do not ever believe the fandom's meme thing of "If an ork thought hard enough they can make guns appear from thin air"

thats just not true lol

[soft thunder]

They also kinda think electricity in general is the motive force, see the electro priests and fulgerites for those dedicated to that aspect of the machine god

[dense salmon]

Yeah the waaagh! Is like folklore and hysteria given actual physical properties

[lapis wadi]

oh no

[normal light]

YES

[dense salmon]

For example, orks believe red is the color of speed and paint their ships and vehicles red

And so they actually move faster

[storm jungle]

Yeah the psychic duct-tape thing is probably the best explanation, its why when ork Waagh-fields lower or a mob dies their stuff stops working.

[dense dawn]

So does it just work more effectively because there is near endless amount of orks believing in the same thing
Or can other races just collectively believe I things and make them real

[normal light]

It`s a shame he will not ascend , I think

[storm jungle]

Its very much in a ork horde logic yeah, the more orks there are the more tech they can get to work and function

its why orks are very dangerous and can snowball out of control

The more you cant clear them the more they will grow in numbers and begin making more dangerous stuff.

[dense salmon]

Some ork tech works even if humans use it, such as old bale eye's power claw

[storm jungle]

and the more wider and powerful the waagh-field becomes

[normal light]

TELEPORT YOUR BOYZ ON ENEMY POZITIONS

[dense salmon]

Implying the waaagh! Doesnt 100% make their tech functional, there is some degree of mechanical function there

[storm jungle]

Yeah this

Orks got actual mechanics

[dense dawn]

They're a sight for sore eyes honestly
It's just hilarious that the reason they can't take over the galaxy is because they can't stop killing eachother

[storm jungle]

Pretty much

The moment you kill an ork boss of any small or large group they will INSTANTLY in-fight.

[spice ridge]

The memes kinda blew the waagh powers out of proportion to where some people think that an ork could literally shoot someone with a stick because he thinks it's a gun

[dense salmon]

Iirc orks were actually made during the war in heaven to be footsoldiers

They were krorks

[lapis wadi]

The more intense the WAAAAGH!!! the more bullshit that can work.
Ork vehicles have engines in them. A human could get in and operate one. It'd suck and break quickly, but it works. But when things are frantic and running at a fever-pitch the Mek is tossing trukks together as fast as he can in the middle of a huge battle, you get cases like the one where Imperials opened the hood and it was just a box.
But even for the Orks as soon as the mood dies back down everything will stop working.

[dense salmon]

And were large, intelligent, and psychic

[storm jungle]

Yeah orks basically de-evolved

[dense salmon]

It could be argued a krork is the equivalent of a primarch

[normal light]

The Krorks were good , now ork`s are just a shade

[dense salmon]

It is believed that gazgul is becoming a krork

[dense dawn]

Of course I know that's just a meme
But I'd like to imagine it as fact in the 41st millennium

[spice ridge]

Even though waagh powers do help, they can't completely ignore thermodynamics forever, they just grease the proverbial palm

[storm jungle]

Yeah but its not.

Memes tend to ruin the lore a lot 💀

because theres a very clear explanation to how it works, people just kinda choose to ignore it and create misinformation.

[dense salmon]

Memes about orks are permissible because its the ridiculous shit orks would make up themselves

[storm jungle]

which really makes things worse

[spice ridge]

Orks have to reload and they do need their own weird forms of 'logistics' even if it amounts to basically just picking stuff up and bringing it with them to weaponize it later, somehow

[storm jungle]

^

[dense salmon]

Though they give people the wrong idea about the waaagh!

[dense dawn]

Hey I need some funny in this shit ight?
Big dumb greenskins doing shit just because they believe in it is just what I need

[spice ridge]

A trukk can keep going for a long time but it won't just drive forever because orks think it will

[dense salmon]

If the waaagh! Were as powerful as the memes would have you believe, the orks would have already destroyed the galaxy

[normal light]

Even orkz run out of ammunition 💀

[spice ridge]

It will need fuel in some way at some point

[storm jungle]

Yeah but you can get that out of anything else the orks do

Like how an ork went back in time to kill his past self to steal his gun

[green loom]

The Waaagh field is reality grease but also in large part just Ork-flavour-Placebo

[dense salmon]

The biggest waaagh! We've seen outside of the war of Armageddon would be the attack moons

[dense dawn]

Yeah I've heard about that

[lapis wadi]

Basically: Too bad.

[storm jungle]

[dense salmon]

For example if you took an ork shoota and tried to fire it

As long as there were ammunition it would fire

[green loom]

Orks don't care if something works or not

[dense salmon]

HOWEVER

[dense dawn]

Though they seem stupid and funni by the community they're actually really brutal

[dense salmon]

An ork would be way more effective with the shoota due to the waaagh!

[spice ridge]

It might also depend on if you're in proximity to orks as well for if that shoota would even work

[dense salmon]

The waaagh! Doesnt make the tech work, the tech just works better with the waaagh!

[storm jungle]

Me trying to get a piece of shit shoota to work

https://tenor.com/view/gun-farcry-farcry2-jam-gif-21589388

[spice ridge]

If you exterminated all the orks in the vicinity it probably would jam or not work soon after

[dense salmon]

The same way oil makes your car run better

[dense dawn]

Oh shit it's cato sicarius

[spice ridge]

But yeah they can't literally just have a pile of scrap metal with 0 working or moving parts and it still 'just works'

[green loom]

They can think it works

[dense salmon]

Certainly not. Have people forgotten about the certain famous Armageddon commisar with an ork claw for a hand that works just fine no matter the time or place?

[spice ridge]

Meks need at least some level of technical know-how even if it's basically savant level stuff where they barely get why it works

[green loom]

And after that it doesn't matter if it does or doesn't

To Orks there's no difference

[normal light]

https://tenor.com/view/macho-hugh-laurie-pistol-colt-pistola-gif-18177175

[lapis wadi]

No

[green loom]

Because they're experts at coping

[spice ridge]

Depends on the shoota

Or the ork weapon in question

None of them are alike

There's 0 standardization

Some ork weapons are genuinely not bad, some will just explode after some usage

[dense salmon]

I will concede this - some definitely would probably eventually fall apart without an ork to use it

[normal light]

Early Firearms Moment

[dense salmon]

I assume old bale eye maintains his claw

[spice ridge]

Some would just fall apart

[dense salmon]

Orks themselves are also a zeitgeist miasma

[lapis wadi]

Actually, with mek genetic memory, there might well be a certain level of standardiszation

[spice ridge]

Yarrick's claw is definitely a genuine working weapon that is maintained to a fairly high degree

[dense salmon]

It's the reason they can't get rid of orks on catachan or Valhalla or Armageddon

Wherever orks leave their spores, it's almost impossible to wipe them out completely

[dense dawn]

Old baleeye is the most badass character I've ever heard of in 40k

[spice ridge]

Well you can get rid of orks it just requires that you burn/scour something down to the microbial level