He realized the emperor is someone with very little morals and a tyrant so he fucked off
#40k-lore-chat
arctic talon
winged jacinth
This means the emperor could have been named George at some point
arctic talon
Yes
patent ivy
He realized the emperor is someone with very little morals and a tyrant so he fu...
And where'd he go
median marsh
Perpetuals are functionally indestructible, only with very specific methods
arctic talon
And where'd he go
Mostly on earth till the great crusade
median marsh
for example Vulcan came back from being vaporized
arctic talon
Then he hid as a member of the imperial army till he got far enough lol
And then just left
patent ivy
So are they immortal or just can't die of age
median marsh
but a funky spear sent him into a coma
warm notch
Functionally unkillable
arctic talon
So are they immortal or just can't die of age
It depends
median marsh
they can die, but they always return
arctic talon
But generally speaking functionally unkillable
median marsh
you can destroy them but it requires special things
celest dome
They are functionnal immortal but can still suffer true death like Daemons
patent ivy
Ah okay. So when they return, is it explained like how Jesus returned on the 3rd day or are they birthed again
patent ivy
Ah okay
celest dome
It's never really shown
winged jacinth
I think when grammaticus does it he basically coalesces back into a whole ass dude
tulip brook
reincarnation is an elf thing
patent ivy
So how's the Emperor dying then if he is immortal
arctic talon
Just form somewhere else
tulip brook
So how's the Emperor dying then if he is immortal
probably not
arctic talon
So how's the Emperor dying then if he is immortal
He isn’t dying
winged jacinth
The emperor hasnt died all the way and he might not be perpetual?
arctic talon
He’s just in perpetual agony
celest dome
So how's the Emperor dying then if he is immortal
Special sword
arctic talon
And also certain things can kill a perpetual
winged jacinth
The emperor is probably his own thing
arctic talon
Or their ability to be a perpetual
patent ivy
Oh okay. Someone outisde of here told me he was gonna die one day and I was confused with what you guys were telling me
median marsh
Emps status is a source of massive headache for everyone because noone knows what will actuially happen if his Physical body gives in
tulip brook
his throne is failing and he's still holding chaos off terra, so his dying might mean chaos blasting right into imperial palace until he comes back
median marsh
some theorize he will become a full fledged god, or something terrible
warm notch
Big E is probably experiencing massive ego death after suffering in perpetual agony and consuming the souls of billions of his subjects just to continue living for thousands of years
patent ivy
So do gods in this universe function like one in DnD where they only exist so long as they have followers?
tulip brook
yup, he didn't really sound "together" while conversing with girlymom
median marsh
Guiliman noted that Emps didnt seem like himself when they met
arctic talon
So do gods in this universe function like one in DnD where they only exist so lo...
No, the chaos gods in 40K feed off of strong emotions
median marsh
tbh if you sat in the same place in perpetual agony for 10k years you wouldnt be the same either
arctic talon
The other gods are either A. Not really gods C’tan
warm notch
tbh if you sat in the same place in perpetual agony for 10k years you wouldnt be...
Those ass sores must really be bad
arctic talon
Or B. Artificial gods most likely Eldar Gods
patent ivy
No, the chaos gods in 40K feed off of strong emotions
So the Emperor isn't really a god yet
tulip brook
as long as their aspects exist, they get power in the warp
median marsh
cough Living Saints are totally not Greater Daemons cough
tulip brook
a whole galaxy of humans are worshipping him empowering his warp magic
patent ivy
So how does he ascend? The reason why I was asking if it had to do with followers was because that is the only reason I can see why he outlawed all other religions and only allowed himself
median marsh
he didnt allow himself to be worshipped
arctic talon
So how does he ascend? The reason why I was asking if it had to do with follower...
His mortal body dies and enough worshipers would ascend him
median marsh
he even beat the shit out of Lorgar for trying to worship him
tulip brook
because irony
patent ivy
he didnt allow himself to be worshipped
Ah okay. So why the banning of religion? I can understand banning the Chaos ones, but why the rest?
tulip brook
also their bible is written by demon primarch lorgar
arctic talon
Ah okay. So why the banning of religion? I can understand banning the Chaos ones...
He hates religion
median marsh
his own personal views
warm notch
Ah okay. So why the banning of religion? I can understand banning the Chaos ones...
That’s just how they organize their society
Lol
patent ivy
Ahh okay
queen laurel
he is basically your average atheism reddit user
But you give that guy super weapons that can wipe out an entire planet with the flick of a switch
patent ivy
Now, why doesn't he try to stop people from worshipping him
arctic talon
Now, why doesn't he try to stop people from worshipping him
He can’t
tulip brook
4 major religions in the galaxy belongs to chaos, he had a point there
median marsh
he is stuck maintaining the Astronomicon while basically being a corpse
arctic talon
It’s not like he can just
Get off the throne
Unless we want eye of terror 2
Human boogaloo
And probably the birth of a new chaos god
median marsh
he can do some things, like when he essentially took over Guiliman and injured nurgle
warm notch
Get off the throne
“Why doesn’t Big E just sit up? Is he stupid?”
patent ivy
4 major religions in the galaxy belongs to chaos, he had a point there
So like Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, Juddaism and all that?
arctic talon
So like Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, Juddaism and all that?
No
patent ivy
Ah okay
patent ivy
Oh okay okay I get you
warm notch
40k should generally be seen as a setting that’s so far into the future that anything in the present has no relevance whatsoever
median marsh
he even went after the obscure stuff like that Church that had a single old man worshipping a rock
warm notch
Horus Heresy is set at that time iirc
arctic talon
Tabletop wise
tulip brook
30k is new stuff tbh, the main game is 40k
tulip brook
30k original legions, 40k all factions in TT
brisk vine
30k Orks when?
patent ivy
Okay
Are the Space Marines in 30k corrupted looking or not yet since there hasn't been 10k years to pass with Chaos influence
tulip brook
nope, just space marines in different colors and helmets
brisk vine
Some of the later inductii and especially the gal vorbak get pretty warped
tulip brook
well, in tt. they definitely had some blessings in 30k too
brisk vine
But that's once the heresy proper kicks off and they start needing more marines yesterday
median marsh
the full on corruption began during the end and after they fled into the eye, until then they even retained their old colors
brisk vine
For most of the mainline marines at least
median marsh
there were some troops that were pretty chaosy, like possessed and gal vorbaks as mentioned
brisk vine
^
tulip brook
in 40k normal looking troops are the exception
brisk vine
Inductii moment
brisk vine
in 40k normal looking troops are the exception
Or they're night lords
arctic talon
Mid heresy emperors children were pretty fucked
brisk vine
Well, they used to be the most vanilla looking
tulip brook
night lords and iron warriors aren't really fan of chaos mutations
patent ivy
Anyone know what I can type to see the evolution of their look throughout the heresy
arctic talon
night lords and iron warriors aren't really fan of chaos mutations
It depends on the warband
brisk vine
Anyone know what I can type to see the evolution of their look throughout the he...
You're gonna have to dig through a lot of media for that
arctic talon
The biggest warband of the night lords
patent ivy
Ah gotcha
arctic talon
Is literally led by a daemon prince
brisk vine
Or find a YouTube video that explores it for you
arctic talon
And night lords have the most raptors in their tank
brisk vine
Sometimes you get lucky and someone is dedicated enough
arctic talon
Only legion that’s more fucked up then them is like
The emperors children in terms of being all over the place
tulip brook
as sm has chapters most chaos legions are divided by warbands and they don't really have cohesive structure yeah
arctic talon
World eaters used to be super shattered as well
But now they’re following dad around
tulip brook
and black legion constantly poaching from others
brisk vine
The emperors children in terms of being all over the place
That's what happens when Dad goes to the eye of terror for smokes for 10 millennia
patent ivy
You're gonna have to dig through a lot of media for that
Just checked the Death Guard out on the 40k fandom page
tulip brook
aren't they lovely?
patent ivy
Has a good amount of photos with additional text saying when it was
Pretty interesting evolution
brisk vine
aren't they lovely?
The fine folks on the Eisenstein sure agree
tulip brook
check nathaniel garro too for original terran born death guard
seeing him then current jolly guys with nurglings is a really dramatic change
patent ivy
Yeah
patent ivy
What's the story with the Emperor's Children
I see they turned Chaos, but were also one of the best legions
winged jacinth
Evil sword
tulip brook
trying too hard and getting burned
tulip brook
oof that's a dangerous question
patent ivy
Why so
tulip brook
everybody has their own favorite for many reasons
ultramarines for poster boys, blood angels for space vampires, space wolves for vikings and independence, dark angels for juicy dark age tech and knights aesthetic, white scars for gotta go fast, imperial fists for they were once cool, black templars for fanaticism and being black, salamanders for being good guys etc.
patent ivy
ultramarines for poster boys, blood angels for space vampires, space wolves for ...
When you say the fists were once cool, is that in lore, or were they the popular guys in the 90's
tulip brook
When you say the fists were once cool, is that in lore, or were they the popular...
they were wiped out multiple times and reborn from successor chapters. their scheme looks good even if yellow is pain in the ass to paint and they have a lot of cool characters
warm notch
ultramarines for poster boys, blood angels for space vampires, space wolves for ...
Space wolves = furries
tulip brook
they also have a bunch of popular successors too, crimson fists, black templars...
storm jungle
Basically Fists are generic af
they dont have a good gimmick aside from "can build walls good"
winged jacinth
the weird thing about a space marine legion specializing in fortifications is that like... that's one part of war a superhuman physique isnt really helpful for
tulip brook
delegated from main characters in siege of terra to being there in 40k
storm jungle
I mean yeah
winged jacinth
the fists should have been regular guys with clipboards
winged jacinth
im zooted
winged jacinth
that's the secret legion they dont want you to know about
the iron fists were designed for the emperor's secret punch warfare project
tulip brook
iron fists, the real experts of siege warfare
patent ivy
Ah okay
storm jungle
winged jacinth
the siege marines should have had special geneseed organs that helped them pour concrete really good
built in agitators
storm jungle
god that reminds me of one small chapter in Siege
where some traitors are digging under the walls
and the Fists bury them in concrete
AND THEY GET STUCK THERE FOREVER
winged jacinth
every contractor desperately wishes that was how concrete worked
storm jungle
As an architect, can confirm
winged jacinth
hey maybe with a few tens of thousands of years of materials science
does 40k have plascrete or was that something else
storm jungle
yeah it does
it has a lot of fictional sci-fi materials stolen from Dune
Along with uh
- Plasflex
- Plasteel
- Ferrocrete
- Rockcrete
winged jacinth
i never really drew the parallels between dune and 40k but they're really obvious arent they lol
storm jungle
yep lol
celest dome
where some traitors are digging under the walls
Wasn't it just the concrete that turned liquid of sort ?
storm jungle
40k stole a lot from Dune and 2000AD
storm jungle
Wasn't it just the concrete that turned liquid of sort ?
Yep it was
the traitor turned to a techpriest and was like
"How long do we got here?"
"Well I'll die from lack of food soon. But you will live for a very long time"
"Oh."
median marsh
celest dome
I mean, it's Karma
median marsh
"sir they're digging"
"Just pour some hyper concrete in there and call it a day"
storm jungle
a true gamer manoeuvre
green loom
It's called "Lockcrete" btw 
storm jungle
💀
green loom
They grabbed one of those guys from the imperial prisons to make some
verbal path
Weaponized concrete.
worldly gull
anyways got a full shot of grandma brahms?
celest dome
Art station miguel something has art of her
green loom
Miguel Iglesias
worldly gull
canon art?
celest dome
worldly gull
no full body shots?
median marsh
she shows up in a cinematic once and thats it so far
green loom
canon art?
He's a concept artist for Darktide so ye lol, the talent trees have his art
median marsh
storm jungle
He also has done other pieces for GW
patent ivy
How old is she? In that trailer someone sent earlier she looked a lot younger
worldly gull
yea that seems to be the closest to the cinematic
storm jungle
How old is she? In that trailer someone sent earlier she looked a lot younger
She had wrinkles in the trailer too, id say pretty old
Miguel just made it more stylistic
he loves drawing ugly people
median marsh
patent ivy
She had brown hair though, no?
green loom
Wha
fleet edge
Anyone know the art source for the different talent tree backgrounds? Wanted to know more specifically about right side vet, right side zealot, psyker (specially right side), and left and right ogryn.
worldly gull
She had brown hair though, no?
nah, grandma white hair.
green loom
Anyone know the art source for the different talent tree backgrounds? Wanted to ...
See artstation link above
worldly gull
he loves drawing ugly people
gotta represent us uglies
median marsh
Shipmistress Brahms meeting the Rejects - Colorized
storm jungle
also Artstation ye
median marsh
Adblocker my beloved
fleet edge
Thanks.
storm jungle
np
green loom
storm jungle
Adblocker my beloved
I downloaded another adblocker since youtube caught on
fleet edge
@storm jungle and @green loom
Also idk how people are having issues with their adblocker stuff but I guess it happens.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
arctic talon
Miguel is good because he draws ugly marines as well
green loom
Youtube detects it and blocks you from viewing videos until you disable it
arctic talon
I hate pretty boy marines
storm jungle
Also idk how people are having issues with their adblocker stuff but I guess it ...
Youtube detects it
green loom
It's inconsistent
green loom
They replaced their CEO with some moron AI guru
median marsh
if youtube ads werent complete and utter garbage i wouldnt have to use an ad blocker
green loom
So you can bet they're just shovelling new algorithms into the site
fleet edge
Youtube detects it
Yeah but I mean it's still not affecting me.
storm jungle
if youtube ads werent complete and utter garbage i wouldnt have to use an ad blo...
uwu my poor megacorp losing money
get fucked lol
fleet edge
Ah...fair. cuz I kind of haven't had the issue yet and don't do anything else I could think of that'd mess with it. Idk computer stuff well enough yet.
storm jungle
Where are you from?
arctic talon
uwu my poor megacorp losing money
storm jungle
That might have something to do with it
fleet edge
A place.
median marsh
Johny was onto something
storm jungle
yeah im turkish so they instantly detected my pirating ass 💀
fleet edge
Hm.
patent ivy
yeah im turkish so they instantly detected my pirating ass 💀
Turkish, eh?
arctic talon
As much as I like Johnny he’s a huge hypocrite heh
fleet edge
Johnny is relentlessly corny.
patent ivy
Thoughts on Istanbul?
green loom
Anyone know the art source for the different talent tree backgrounds? Wanted to ...
Btw here's all the OGryn art
patent ivy
too many buildings, too many tourists, too many people
Gotcha
median marsh
Btw here's all the OGryn art
look at this lad having fun
keen nova
I wonder if we will ever get an Astartes pattern lasgun
arctic talon
Prolly not
storm jungle
Astartes dont use lasguns
arctic talon
They don’t use lasguns
storm jungle
unless you mean the lascannon
green loom
Yeah they do
arctic talon
Yeah they do
Not regularly
green loom
Don't eliminators use las weapons?
arctic talon
Don't eliminators use las weapons?
It’s a mini las cannon
storm jungle
Do they?
keen nova
unless you mean the lascannon
No, Astartes size lasrifle
green loom
Close enough
patent ivy
If you are thinking on staying for a week or so its good
Did you live there or just been there a lot
arctic talon
It’s a skeletonized Las cannon in lore
storm jungle
No, Astartes size lasrifle
They dont use those
storm jungle
Did you live there or just been there a lot
I have lived there for most of my life, I just hang out in Bodrum now which is a more calmer touristic location
arctic talon
green loom
Mostly cus Marines can carry las cannons methinks lol
patent ivy
I have lived there for most of my life, I just hang out in Bodrum now which is a...
Oh okay
keen nova
They dont use those
I know. I just wonder if we'll ever get it in the future
median marsh
lemme consult my scrying orb
green loom
Man I love Miguel's art
arctic talon
Dark angels
green loom
Dark Angels
arctic talon
40K era
patent ivy
Okay
keen nova
There’s no incentive to give marines a big Las gun
Would have a better ammo economy than the bolter and cut down on weight
green loom
It's this guy
arctic talon
Would have a better ammo economy than the bolter and cut down on weight
Okay but that isn’t an issue for marines
They aren’t meant to fight long term engagments
keen nova
They aren’t meant to fight long term engagments
True. Perhaps against hordes?
arctic talon
They can need a weapon that inspires faith, terror and can deal with almost anything
patent ivy
Are you able to use the classic minis in tournies still?
patent ivy
Can you swap those
patent ivy
Interesting
green loom
Man one day I'll be able to do shit like this
median marsh
i believe in you 
green loom
Well over, I've been making some nice progress over the last year
fleet edge
Legit just takes time. Every step is progress.
storm jungle
Yeah you'll get there in time
green loom
Still happy with this lil eldar
storm jungle
at worst case just message Miguel and ask for tips, hes on the discord 
median marsh
tfw still havent broken out of my depression art block
green loom
~~at worst case just message Miguel and ask for tips, hes on the discord~~ <:KEK...
I watch his speedpaints a lot
fleet edge
Not trying to drop something discouraging. Something that I believe is that when it comes to creativity, it's just like anything else on a scale with whatever time you have available in life. The scale to nurture a skill.
Kind of helps with not processing some things that could end up stifling your progress too negatively.
median marsh
mods
patent ivy
Ah ok
celest dome
Is the Warden role an admin role?
They aren't FS employee,
median marsh
...well yeah it says right there theyre a CM
celest dome
Yes, blue people are FS employee
median marsh
community manager
celest dome
We also sometime have Julia (Community support) and Quickpaw (Not sure what he usually does
patent ivy
Ah I was wondering what CM was haha
storm jungle
Yep the blue names are FS employees
patent ivy
I was thinking it was game related
storm jungle
Yellow is us mods, we are all voluntary people
patent ivy
Did you have to fill an app or were you voted in
celest dome
Only Hank was voted, all the other were picked by previous CM I guess, all of them are people who were known by FS, like pillars of the VT2 communty
storm jungle
^
I got picked due to some prior experience and being in this group the day it got made
patent ivy
Ah okay
storm jungle
LEGIT
celest dome
https://tenor.com/view/gollum-time's-up-andy-serkis-the-hobbit-movie-tolkien-gif-6904121909717498166
I was also there
patent ivy
Deletes
patent ivy
Whats naive about that
jade holly
Darktide better win best OST in a game this year
storm jungle
Whats naive about that
Basically we didnt know back when it got announced that Kyd was doing the soundtrack
since he did the soundtrack for VT1 and VT2
patent ivy
Ah okay
Yeah this soundtrack is pretty solid
Immortal Imperium is my favorite I think
arctic talon
Disposal unit
near wasp
Lots of great music
soft thunder
does anyone know what the source is for the dregs being called the cult of admonition?
safe vigil
soft thunder
I've heard people throw* the name around prior to that one guy's vid
celest dome
I think it was in the 1st news about Darktide
green loom
Dan Abnett reveal probably
Or some of the posts they made
Or Luetin's lore vid
Since he was given stuff straight from the Overweight Sharkoid to peddle
celest dome
Nah before that
median marsh
i also cant for the life of me find the source for the cult being called Admonition
soft thunder
time to start digging i guess
warm notch
Archivum Sycorax unnamed track is so good
Like it’s criminal that it isn’t on the official soundtrack
celest dome
It used to be mentioned on the steam page
green loom
It's probably somewhere here
celest dome
It's probably somewhere here
Searched through but couldnt find anything there
soft thunder
green loom
Detekteev
arctic fiber
What is the Admonition?
green loom
The dregs
celest dome
Still not sure why they are called as such
median marsh
yeah its a bit strange, Admonition as a word is (according to dictionary) a reprimand or a warning
celest dome
🤞 we get different cults in the game in the future, I want my Khornate Enforcers
median marsh
War in the RIft 2, chaotic boogaloo time
patent ivy
How come it seems like Space Marines die so easily? Some of these cinematics I see show them getting put down with weapons that could kill a normal person
green loom
Dramatic effect
Power levels are made up and the story/set piece always takes priority
arctic talon
How come it seems like Space Marines die so easily? Some of these cinematics I s...
Define weapon that could kill a normal person
Because a lot of weapons in 40K are absurdly lethal
patent ivy
Well like swords that don't look too special I guess
With all that armour and special material they're comprised of, I'd expect it to be fairly resistant to almost anything
desert dust
How come it seems like Space Marines die so easily? Some of these cinematics I s...
It's more like anything that can cut though SM armor and hit the chest would have so much impact they would die instantly.
But that said they are slow as fuck in the cinematic
storm jungle
Its the same as how you could have an entire helicopter filled with SAS special forces.
But a single missile strike to that helicopter and they are all dead.
Same rule applies here, war is random.
patent ivy
It's more like anything that can cut though SM armor and hit the chest would hav...
Hmm okay
arctic talon
Well like swords that don't look too special I guess
If its an Ork using it
well
its an Ork choppa
Orks are absurdly strong
Its a terrible idea to fight an ork in melee even as a marine
desert dust
SM armor is basically light tank armor and terminator armor is tank armor
arctic talon
because you'll get overwhelmed eventually
storm jungle
Marines in general are also just not invincible
arctic talon
yeah
storm jungle
the fanbase just extremely overhypes them
arctic talon
most factions basic weapons in lore can uh
kill them in a mag dump at most lol
excluding autoguns and lasguns
outer wave
the fanbase just **extremely** overhypes them
You could also blame GW and BL writers
green loom
excluding autoguns and lasguns
Those can still kill them with luck
arctic talon
yeah
or with sustained fire
but a single guy with a lasgun isn't too big of a threat
Bolters, Shuriken guns, splinter rifles, Pulse rifles
all those are a pretty big threat
desert dust
Yeah when Chaos space marines are the main characters they seem invincible to regular humans and when they are not they die in droves to guardsmen storming in with melta guns like in GG
arctic talon
even if its just a single guy holding one
patent ivy
Damn it almost seems pointless then to have them, no? Surely it would be cheaper to have more humans than to fund the creation and kitting of SM
arctic talon
actually a splinter rifle won't kill a marine
arctic talon
Damn it almost seems pointless then to have them, no? Surely it would be cheaper...
marines are still the cream of the crop and arguably necesary
they're shock troops
not the line infantry
patent ivy
Ah
arctic talon
Marines should not be fighting a prolonged war normally
you drop them into a place, and they slaughter everything in their path to accomplish their mission
or they take out key positions or commanders
ect.
you won't have a marine sitting in a pillbox holding the line
patent ivy
Is there such a thing as SM with lighter armour?
arctic talon
Phobos marines and Scouts yeah
teal plinth
Scouts
desert dust
Honestly my head cannon is they should just be insanely good commanders since they got so many god dam brain buffs but 90% are wasted on fighting cunts with swords because muh honor
green loom
Honestly my head cannon is they should just be insanely good commanders since th...
Typically the cunts they're fighting will slaughter people in droves
arctic talon
and Phobos marines are full marines with lighter power armor
green loom
But also dramatic effect of a 1v1
arctic talon
storm jungle
You could also blame GW and BL writers
No because most Marines aren't that special 💀
green loom
And some marines are sometimes give overall theatre command so 
storm jungle
your regular marine wont dodge bullets like an agent from the Matrix like what most fans will say
arctic talon
teal plinth
How much weaker is scout armor than a regular tactical marines?
arctic talon
How much weaker is scout armor than a regular tactical marines?
Its a lot weaker
its carapace armor
its what Tempestus Scions wear
teal plinth
Ah ok
storm jungle
Yeah its not that complex
arctic talon
or Stormtroopers from other guard regiments
patent ivy
These is scouts?
green loom
Those are Vanguard Marines#
arctic talon
lemme post scouts
green loom
These are scouts
desert dust
I understand why they are not just commands by right in every regiment but they could be high ranking adviser's so they can do there magic Sherlock homes battle field calculations and command hectic battles
teal plinth
What are vanguard Marines exactly
patent ivy
I almost like Scout design more than regular honestly
storm jungle
its basically in the name
arctic talon
What are vanguard Marines exactly
Marines who are in lighter gear and do forward operations
storm jungle
they just go ahead to scout and assassinate people
... which would be the job of the scouts
storm jungle
I really do love how they expect you to just ignore that these guys are doing what scouts were already suppose to
arctic talon
But we got marines 2
tacticool bogaloo
not that I hate Phobos armor aesthetically
storm jungle
That'll be 30 dollars
green loom
Why is it 10th company exclusive?
storm jungle
patent ivy
So could you go from Guardsman to SM?
arctic talon
So could you go from Guardsman to SM?
process only works on kids
green loom
The process pretty much requires you to not be a matured adult
patent ivy
Really?
patent ivy
Could you get elevated to any higher of a position from Guardsman?
patent ivy
So theoretically, what would be the top
green loom
In theory you could climb the ranks to High Lord of the Militarum
Lord Militant General or whatever
In practice that's less feasible
But moving up the ranks is definitely a thing, by elimination if nothing else
patent ivy
Are those higher positions just something you gotta be born into?
green loom
It makes it heaps easier
patent ivy
People with familial power
green loom
But by and large the upper echelon is just nobility
tulip brook
as usual, higher you go, longer those guys live too
at some point you'll just get too old unless you get augmented or sth
arctic talon
Are those higher positions just something you gotta be born into?
Not always, but it can be. It’s also easier to climb the ranks if you’re a noble
green loom
You'll also start higher as well
warm notch
I love how the bolters in Darktide look so bulky but flimsy at the same time
As if they were all cheaply produced
(Which is most likely the case)
patent ivy
Whats the story with Ogryns
spare osprey
Really?
Yeah. Used to be a process that could get you to the closest thing to an astartes if you were too old but I believe the method’s been lost for a while while now.
patent ivy
These guys offshoots of orks
spare osprey
These guys offshoots of orks
Offshoots of humanity
storm jungle
Ogryns are humans from high gravity worlds
patent ivy
WHAT
patent ivy
No way
storm jungle
the Imperium exploits them as slave and military labour/soldiers.
cold basalt
They dum
storm jungle
since they are born semi mentally-stunted
patent ivy
Thats crazy!!!
storm jungle
and get no education
cold basalt
So Imperium just gets them to have big weapons or carry big things
green loom
You also have their direct opposite, Ratlings
spare osprey
since they are born semi mentally-stunted
Yeah, still wonder what happened to the “smart” race of ogryns
cold basalt
I love Ratlings
celest dome
Yeah, still wonder what happened to the “smart” race of ogryns
Grey Ogryn ?
green loom
cold basalt
I got a brick SAH
patent ivy
Alright I will
cold basalt
Gonna throw it SAH
warm notch
This forum is mostly for asking dumbass questions
No place for serious talk at all
So you should def find yourself in a rabbit hole or two on the lexicanum
celest dome
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page
patent ivy
🤣
storm jungle
green loom
If you ask a serious question we will seriously shoot you
storm jungle
Alright I will
You can still ask here btw im not saying dont, its more that theres A LOT of stuff you can just learn in summary form in there instead, so dont be afraid to keep asking questions still
patent ivy
No, I gotcha
storm jungle
celest dome
If you ask a serious question we will seriously shoot you
But if you ask a silly question we will sillily shoot you
green loom
Be very afraid
spare osprey
Grey Ogryn ?
Heard about them but I’m more speaking on a group of ogryns that weren’t mentally stunted due to their size and proportion wise they were just humans but bigger. Think there’s a scene of a space marine hiding amongst them in one of the heresy novels.
celest dome
Ah, the Thoruk (I think that's how it's written)
They allied up with the Night Lord, went extinct iirc
spare osprey
Ah
tulip merlin
cold basalt
Probably taste like meaty mushrooms
tulip brook
ig being constantly low on rations and most frequently fighting orks, it's safe to assume they definitely tried eating all kinds of them. since it's not mentioned it's a good idea to have a squigs bbq, in best case scenario they have little nutritional value to humans and don't taste good, worst case they are poisonous.
arctic talon
Iirc squigs taste good to humans
But they’re not really eaten often because like
it’s an orkoid
So super aggressive
viral halo
We know they can eat Ambulls
urban spire
kroot can eat orks so it's probably not that poisonous
versed ledge
Why don't the imperium just use clones for the Astra Militarum, or their military in general? Just vat grow soldiers by the trillions and use them
tulip brook
I found this in an old fantasy compendium:
“Considering they’re Night Goblin food, they taste surprisingly good. We were fed with spit-roasted Squigs one time we did a bit of business with the Crooked Moon Goblins. They were moist and flavorsome, with all the taste of a smoked ham but the lightness of a young chicken. Ever since then I’ve offered soldiers a bounty on fresh-killed Squigs, because I can always found customers to buy them, a lot of the inns round here serve up Squig regularly. No, I never tell them what they’re really buying, of course not—do you think I’m stupid or something?”
arctic talon
Why don't the imperium just use clones for the Astra Militarum, or their militar...
Vat grown are expensive
For one
Second of all actual clones don’t work in 40K
Biles shenanigans excluded
tulip brook
the setting even tries to give personality to the tools and machines. clone soldiers are boring
no offense to the star wars fans
versed ledge
Darn...also let me guess the imperium would call it heresy and blam the man for even suggesting it
arctic talon
Darn...also let me guess the imperium would call it heresy and blam the man for ...
No
Clones just
Don’t work
They usually have horrible luck
forest orbit
Maenwhile Votann
arctic talon
Or lack some component
forest orbit
All clones
forest orbit
For the imperium yeah
versed ledge
Oh yeah I recall hearing about that, the imperium tried it, best gene therapy and training and they all died
arctic talon
Oh yeah I recall hearing about that, the imperium tried it, best gene therapy an...
Yeah afriel strain
forest orbit
its more that it doesnt fit the theme of the Imperium being a self-defeating brutalist idiot
versed ledge
That was definitely warp fuckery
arctic talon
All of them were cloned from the greatest heros and minds of the astra militarum
All of them came out albino
And had horrible luck
The imperium cannot do cloning properly
tulip brook
they aren't lacking in manpower either, guards are expendable
arctic talon
they can when the plot demands it
Lol
Quadrillions on terra after the mass starvation
Heh
arctic talon
Wonder if the imperium as a whole is in the quntillions
Or just hundreds of quadrillions
forest orbit
oh yeah speaking of
90 Billion on Hive Tertium alone apparently
writing it here so i dont forget
forest orbit
well yeah its one hive
arctic talon
Yeah
versed ledge
Blood of millions or trillions is but a drop in the eyes of the Imperium
forest orbit
tulip brook
GW just don't do well with numbers anyway. it's just crowded out there, good enough
arctic talon
GW just don't do well with numbers anyway. it's just crowded out there, good eno...
I think the population number they gave for terra is good
Several quadrillion people on it in total
For a planet that’s all hive
arctic talon
This is after the mass starvation as well lol
versed ledge
In regards to hives, if they do it right - I think hives would be one of the best places to live in
forest orbit
hell no
arctic talon
But still a trillion people dying for the imperium is a literal rounding error lol
forest orbit
Hives are literally the worst way to be population centers
arctic talon
Life is a cheap commodity to the imperium
forest orbit
the moment you put millions of people in a concentrated place it will go to shit
we have many IRL examples of this
like that giant building in south africa, or kowloon, etc
versed ledge
we have many IRL examples of this
Come on it's not that bad, just poor design
forest orbit
Im gonna poorly design you in a minute
arctic talon
Kowloon also known as neither the British or the Chinese wanted it
forest orbit
tulip brook
now imagine poor design expanding organically for at least 10k years
arctic talon
There’s an arcade themed after it in Japan lol
versed ledge
Kowloon also known as neither the British or the Chinese wanted it
Kowloon though aesthetically displeasing, was rather a fine place to live in based on testimonies of those who lived there
arctic talon
Kowloon though aesthetically displeasing, was rather a fine place to live in bas...
Bro what
Are you and I reading completely different recounts lol
Because I don’t consider raw sewage leaking down a “fine place” to live
Nor do I consider a place run almost entirely by gangs
A fine place to live
forest orbit
Or gettng shot to shit because you bumped into the wrong gang member on your way to your neighbor
💀
forest orbit
same thing
arctic talon
Lol
arctic talon
China/Hong Kong still has really strict gun control
Most gangs don’t have guns
Just loads of other tools to hurt you with
forest orbit
Ah yes machete killings my favorite
versed ledge
Well he's not wrong, though we can not discount the benefits of Kowloon
arctic talon
Like knives
tulip brook
"a fine place" for those only able to afford that standards I guess
forest orbit
Well he's not wrong, though we can not discount the benefits of Kowloon
WHAT BENEFITS
arctic talon
Well he's not wrong, though we can not discount the benefits of Kowloon
No regulation?
Yeah that was a benefit lol
tulip brook
no regulations, no taxes...
arctic talon
no regulations, no taxes...
Well
They did try collecting taxes
A few times
Emphasis on the try part
arctic talon
🍦
forest orbit
🍦
John Cena would make a great hive governor
half the time oyu never see him
just like real life political leaders!
Anyway those jokes aside yes no Kowloon pls
forest orbit
LMAO
arctic talon
Unlike irl politicians
forest orbit
"I dont care how many people starve I REALLY need this limo"
supple helm
Its bc theres no democracy theres no point in hiding it
arctic talon
The pdf look really good in gold plated armor
tulip brook
they probably hide it way better considering how paranoid and power hungry imperium can be
arctic talon
If you pay your tithes the imperium has no reason to bother you
versed ledge
Politics aside, how about we make corpse starch a reality, eh fellas?
arctic talon
Politics aside, how about we make corpse starch a reality, eh fellas?
That
Would be terrible
We can’t sanitize human flesh enough for consumption
Prions would develop
tulip brook
not energy effective either, even farming cows are controversial now
versed ledge
Not yet we may, future technology.
arctic talon
Corpse starch is inefficient at best
versed ledge
not energy effective either, even farming cows are controversial now
Yeah too much land usage, if only we can do it like the matrix
arctic talon
Incredibly dangerous
forest orbit
Also like, people dont realise you can just make easy to produce shitty slops of food.
Cannibalism/reprocessed human meat in reality is just way too much of a hassle and not worth the effort
arctic talon
Instead lol
Also yeah the most common food in the imperium is slab
Nor corpse starch
versed ledge
Yeah true, we can practically grow meat with current technology trends
Is slab synthetically grown or actual meat-meat?
supple helm
How many calories you think an ogryn has to eat a day
arctic talon
It’s also pretty bland
versed ledge
So hotdogs then
arctic talon
How many calories you think an ogryn has to eat a day
10,000 at least
Most likely more
versed ledge
Average strong man diet there
arctic talon
So hotdogs then
No
Slab is like
Even more processed
It’s super hard for it to go bad
supple helm
Yeah even brian shaw eats around 10,000 when he’s putting on size ogryns gotta be getting 15-20k at least
arctic talon
There’s a reason slab is the “standard”
supple helm
Thats a lot of slab…
arctic talon
Yeah even brian shaw eats around 10,000 when he’s putting on size ogryns gotta b...
Yeah 10k is the lowball
Tbh
Slab seems nutrient dense
Despite its
not great taste, or texture, or look
supple helm
Need irl slab for bulking
arctic talon
Lol
It’s like one of those Chinese MRE food cubes
But with more nutrition
But slab doesn’t seem too awful to eat
tulip brook
Slab is pretty gruesome stuff. Pressure-treated down from any and all available nutritional sources by the Munitorum, it has no discernable flavour apart from a faint, mucusy aftertaste, and it looks like grey-white putty. Slab, as it's known to every common Guard lasman, comes canned and it comes freeze-dried, it comes in packets and it comes in boxes, it comes in individual heated tins and it comes in catering blocks. Company cooks slice, dice and mince it, and use it as the bulk base of any meal when local provisions are unavailable. They flavour it with whatever they have on hand, usually foil sachets of powder with names like groxtail and vegetable or sausage.
arctic talon
Irl mre but grimdark
supple helm
Put some hot sauce on it im sure it will taste fine
supple helm
Slab burger 🔥
versed ledge
It’s like one of those Chinese MRE food cubes
We should make those the norm for all militaries, yes?
arctic talon
The Chinese mre food cubes are terrible
Iirc
Mostly since they’re super dry and salty
versed ledge
Not the special force variant, where it's just pure nutrients bars, multivitamin and nutrient gel, and carbohydrates bars
versed ledge
I think SteveMre did a review, "taste like Erasers"
arctic talon
All bars
versed ledge
YES
arctic talon
For some reason
green loom
I'm told I sound like SteveMre
arctic talon
Sounds absolutely awful for whatever soldier has to eat it
versed ledge
That's like a good logistical and nutrition solution...oh the soldier,right
crisp heath
So are the alpha legion Imperial Sleeper Agents or....
green loom
Nope
crisp heath
Are they Imperial sleeper agents in the Alpha Legion?
versed ledge
Nope, pure chaos, and chaotic at that
green loom
Nope
versed ledge
But very sneaky
crisp heath
So they are just bat shit insane?
arctic talon
Mostly yes
green loom
Yea
arctic talon
Or just all in on chaos
Some think they’re helping humanity still
But they hate the imperium
normal light
There is no Loyalist Alpha Legionaries left
green loom
Ironically of all the legions, the legion specialised in espionage is by far one of the least nuanced
crisp heath
Because I read that some of their Warbands think they are indeed loyalists, others think they're pretending to be loyalists, some think they're just testing the Imperium, others think they are meant to tear it down, and the rest are a hodge podge of various degrees of thinking they're actually supposed to be traitors but in different ways. and that they tend to end up shooting at each other due to not knowing who is on what side or even what side they are supposed to be on.
arctic talon
arctic talon
Yeah
arctic talon
Doesn’t he literally
green loom
storm jungle
There was one uh, where the Alpha Legionaries of the novel think they are loyalists, meet another Alpha Warband
and realise uh
they were fucking morons
and were helping chaos
lol
green loom
Is it Shroud of Night
storm jungle
yep
arctic talon
Generally speaking alpha legionaries are
storm jungle
great middle-finger to Alpha Legion copium inhalers
tulip brook
same warbands situation as other chaos legions plus their extra sneakiness and shadiness
green loom
Except it's worse for AL
Since they didn't go into the eye
So they've felt those 10k years unlike a lot of the other Legions
tulip brook
they don't have old war veterans rite
green loom
Nope
arctic talon
There’s a few
But
They’re so far and few
The alpha legion
Took horrific casualties during the heresy lol
green loom
Sons of the Hydra opens up commenting how the Warband they're helping has one of the few Old Guard AL left
arctic talon
Now granted one of the primary alpha legion strategies during the heresy
green loom
Harrowmaster says that there's a warband saying they met xyz, but no one really believes them
arctic talon
Was mass armored assaults
So like
They took bad casualties and had slow replenishment
And then most of them didn’t even run into the eye
normal light
Was mass armored assaults
Really?
green loom
It doesn't help that they decided to not use a considerably portion of their manpower
Which was
Stashed under the palace
arctic talon
Beyond just assasinating people
And being sneaky
The alpha legion were really good at armored warfare lol
Only issue is it means a fucked ton of them died
In some of the worst warzones of the heresy lol
normal light
Alpha Legion is getting better and better in my eyes
arctic talon
Also their assault on Pluto
Was very standard alpha legion attack
Super heavy terminator spearhead
With lighter marines in the back
The battle at Pluto also went horribly wrong for them
Because Alpharius fucking died
Which led to even more of them dying
green loom
B-b-b-b-b-b-but Alpharius didn't die!!!! I am Alpharius hahahahahaah!
normal light
So basically Alpha Legion miraculous failed in armoured warfare ?
normal light
It just meant they had heavy casualties
Well
arctic talon
Also the fact they kept on making inducti sneak behind enemy lines
Meant they couldn’t replenish their numbers lol
crisp heath
At least they didn't lose an armor battle as badly as the Iron Warriors after the heresy
arctic talon
Behold alpha legion inductii
normal light
Okay , maybe I should make an Alpha Legionary Warband
crisp heath
Oh my bad the Iron Warriors humiliated themselves during the heresy, just like the other traitors, carry on
green loom
At least they didn't lose an armor battle as badly as the Iron Warriors after th...
Did they lose on Tallarn
I forget
crisp heath
Twice
The first time it was just the Tallarn, who beat them after taking a virus bomb without flinching, and the second time Tallarn allied with fucking Biel-Tan to yeet them into the Warp
green loom
People don't really realize that the IW were less useful than the Dark Mech and Daemon hordes on Terra
crisp heath
Besides the smurfs these two loyalist chapters seems to be doing quite well.
green loom
The Blood Ravens are butchered and facing more conflict in their recruiting worlds
The Charcharadons are never doing well
crisp heath
Do not underestimate the magpies they are quite resilient and Gabriel Angelos especially I bet you they will regain their numbers quick enough as for the Chadcharadons they have become the thing slaneesh worshipers check under their beds for.
green loom
They're still barely dredging along in the hell that is the Ghoul Stars
crisp heath
The Carcharodons are doing worse than any chapter that isn't dead lol
Lol the sharks are in their elements they have always been a chapter who prefers to spend long torus of duty in warp chaos territory they thrive behind enemy lines.
crisp heath
No, they exist in the outer dark because they're too ashamed and disgusted with themselves to be part of the imperium proper lmao
Well tehcinallyu the dark inperium is in nperial terrirotry.
urban spire
not anymore lmao
crisp heath
They're descended from slave owners their own primarch hated, the other raven guard also hate them, and they had to steal traitor geneseed to survive
urban spire
they can claim the territory but they can't enforce shit
crisp heath
Well yea I mean it is going to become the hutning ground for Hive Fleet Chronos.
They aren't on the fringes because they want to be
Carcharodons are the very definition of "dishonored" and treated like full renegades by the Imperium even though they're loyal
green loom
Tbf they also stretch that definition pretty hard with how many people and worlds they butcher/raid for supplies
crisp heath
Well OFC the Black Templars are doing find but OFC they are the black templars.
urban spire
maybe the black templars should struggle a little
crisp heath
Honestly I would love to see the Imperium to take a step back and the battles move to the other 40k races against eachother.
green loom
Well taking a step back is hard when that step is most of the galaxy lel
crisp heath
The Carcharodons also saved the Blood Angels during a black crusade, and their thanks was having their statues censored lmao
Written within the The Canticle of Cassandria Lev - Vol. CVI is the eponymous Sainted Sisters' highly mythologized and oblique account of the wars of the 7th Black Crusade is found mention of a "grey-clad" Space Marines Chapter who came from "The outer night" to aid the Imperium, and whose "Jagged maw did swallow the stars ..." and whose "... black gaze did mirror the void of oblivion". In the course of the canticle this Chapter's ships set upon Abaddon's forces following the disastrous defeat and routing of the Blood Angels at Midian and attacked the pursuing forces as Saint Lev writes: "...fell upon the servants of the skulled-one with great fury from the darkness, unseen as the beast that lurks beneath the black waters, death for death, blood for blood...thus were the Sons of Sanguinius bought respite, and did turn back upon their pursuers and so were the damned traitors of the false gods driven unto their ruin." Images of these events can be found upon the walls of the crypt-world of Hypasitis created to house the honoured dead of that war, depicted in repeated fresco and bar relief, but curiously the faces of the intervening Space Marines there depicted are obscured with featureless disks of black obsidian.
crisp heath
Well taking a step back is hard when that step is most of the galaxy lel
Well Chaos is soon to not have a fun time either ....they have justr shown themselves as both a threat to the tyranids and a potential entertainment to the Orks then there is of course Gilrmy racing around securiting loyalist holdout world or evaucating those that cannot be held ....chaos is about to lear, as the imerpial guard say "Capturing it was easy holding it will be difficult"