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#40k-lore-chat
hasty coral
Well let’s not act like their exactly “easy to deal with”
queen laurel
But he’s still making content so good for him
yeah i'm actually looking forward to fall out sunburst
hasty coral
It’s still bullshit reaction
queen laurel
It’s literally the communities fault
Yeah GW is a bit of a cuckoo in the head but they're not the worst company to exist
looking at you Wizards of the beach
arctic talon
Sucks for people who wana make fan animations and get paid for it
But also like
SODAZ is like the worst hill to die on
For this topic imo
And he’s the one people try to use
hasty coral
How is the lore right now quality wise?
arctic talon
A lot for some reason
arctic talon
How is the lore right now quality wise?
Good
queen laurel
How is the lore right now quality wise?
it's good but of course there is the occasional hiccup
hasty coral
Last main stuff was Guilliman vs Mortarian?
arctic talon
Nah
Arks of Omen
And now Leviathan part 2 as well
Or rather the fourth tyrannic war
queen laurel
Arks of Omen
yeah that one was a bit of a mid it was still pretty fun
hasty coral
Oh abbadoon stuff
arctic talon
Tbf abbadon didn’t really get what he wanted ironicially
hasty coral
So tyranids are the bigger bad no?
arctic talon
Like sure he killed a bunch of loyalists
queen laurel
Oh abbadoon stuff
it's not really his it's more of the Vashtorr winning
queen laurel
that guy is truly gaming
arctic talon
Vashtorr is now on his way to ascend lol
arctic talon
So tyranids are the bigger bad no?
Not really
hasty coral
Ascend to demigod?
arctic talon
There’s multiple on going threats
queen laurel
Vashtorr is now on his way to ascend lol
Finally an actually 5th chaos God
arctic talon
He’s a minor chaos god rn
median marsh
local demon on his way to dab at the rest of us
arctic talon
But he’s got what he thinks he needs to become a full blown chaos god
hasty coral
What will be his domain???
median marsh
the forge
arctic talon
And is now slaughtering his way through everyone that opposes him
arctic talon
What will be his domain???
Technology
arctic talon
Some level of firm alliance most likely
hasty coral
You think they will actually do it?
arctic talon
Oppression potentially
hasty coral
GW?
queen laurel
What will be his domain???
his territory is the forge of souls, he is responsible for manufacturing the war engines of the chaos gods
arctic talon
The Vashtorr thing is on going
hasty coral
This ************ don't play around
That is certainly a banger design
arctic talon
It might just stall out and he becomes a really big minor chaos god
Instead of a major one
Either way he’s pretty sure he’s got the tools to attempt acension
median marsh
Belakor crying somewhere in the warp
queen laurel
It might just stall out and he becomes a really big minor chaos god
still has more lore than malice
arctic talon
Belakor tried stopping Vashtorr lol
vast heart
They're going to put slaanesh in a pocket dimension and Vashtorr is going to take her place in the big 4
arctic talon
Malice is a puny ass lesser chaos god
median marsh
lemme out
hasty coral
Belakor tried stopping Vashtorr lol
Belakor
vast heart
Gives Slaanesh factions a reason to leave their w*nk caves and gives Vashtorr a chance to shine
queen laurel
Malice is a puny ass lesser chaos god
Yeah he's not even considerable as a minor God at best he's just a greater demon
hasty coral
hasty coral
Gives Slaanesh factions a reason to leave their w*nk caves and gives Vashtorr a ...
Hey it’s not their fault GW keeps refusing to use Slaneesh
arctic talon
The raptor god is more threatening then Malice lol
hasty coral
Like EVER
grave sparrow
malice is the god of death/destructin right? I feel like most citizens hate their lives so much they welcome it like a depressed college student
hasty coral
Age of Shitmar
arctic talon
grave sparrow
so it wouldn't fuel him
arctic talon
but its not awful
vast heart
Yeah I think they're essentially gonna do the same thing use it as an excuse to de sex the minis
vast heart
Also Aos is straight up better than fantasy
arctic talon
3rd edition I guess
queen laurel
Age of Sigmar is fine
yes old fantasy is no doubt superior but it's not the worst franchise
vast heart
fantasy is just stolen shit from tolkien
hasty coral
Also Aos is straight up better than fantasy
Shut your mouth
hasty coral
fantasy is just stolen shit from tolkien
EVERY FANTASY IS
arctic talon
Fantasy as a tabletop game also wasn't doing so hot
in like
6, 7 and 8th edition lol
it was dying a slow and painful death
hasty coral
Fantasy wasn’t super strong either but
arctic talon
AoS sells really well
vast heart
It's literally just bad I'm not indulging the nostlagia w*nk
hasty coral
It's literally just bad I'm not indulging the nostlagia w*nk
Reported, for telling me the truth
vast heart
AoS minis are genuinely creatively inspired
arctic talon
but Slaanesh got these 2 in AoS 2e
queen laurel
its like a good 30% of GW's sales nowadays lol
Yeah AOS is pretty good it's not the best but it's not the worst
vast heart
Yall seen that new troggoth?
hasty coral
Won’t lie tomb kings were and still are pretty weak as a faction
vast heart
Even the new slaanesh warcry minis are fantastic
arctic talon
slaanesh honestly didn't get super de-sexed either imo
when they got their release
Creative assembly did a way better job then GW themselves when it came to fantasy
hasty coral
slaanesh honestly didn't get super de-sexed either imo
Average redditor bottom right
arctic talon
asthetically speaking
arctic talon
Average redditor bottom right
hasty coral
No that’s an average discord mod
queen laurel
very subtle with the naming scheme GW
used to not like AOS orc models after spending some time with them I realized something that I was glad to be wrong with their models ******* look sick
hasty coral
Because even they have SOME sort of power
arctic talon
imo AoS Orks suffer from one thing regarding the Ironjawz
which is
they're just black orks as a faction but bigger
like they take the concept of black orks being the line troop and then turn it up to 11 which is like fine I guess
but also Orks being this super elite army is also weird as fuck lol
grave sparrow
so do crabs have some significance when it comes to slanesh or was it just for a style
arctic talon
they're one of the animals they use for their visual design language
queen laurel
*they're just black orks as a faction but bigger*
yeah the Goffz have the same problem but they kind of get a pass because they still have other things going for them, Goffz literally have nothing going for them other than being super orks
arctic talon
Goffz at least don't look that way in their model range
*every single goddamn Ironjawz is huge *
these guys put primaris to shame lol
Ironjawz are almost too big imo
Like don't get me wrong they're fucking sick
hasty coral
Black and yellow just goes good together
arctic talon
but they're absurdly huge, absurdly tough and look like they could snap a chaos warrior in half
crisp heath
Black and yellow just goes good together
arctic talon
like the Ironjawz megaboss is almost the size of a dreadnought in 40k lol
queen laurel
these guys put primaris to shame lol
Brute Ragers could straight up grind cheese in their chest and then break five people with a single punch
arctic talon
tbh at this point
the only thing that needs like fleshing out for Orks in AoS is like
normal Orks and Savage Orks
Ironjawz being heavy gork worshippers and Kruleboy being heavy mork worshippers are both pretty fleshed out
queen laurel
yeah the normal orks which are the Ard'Boyz aren't even normal they're basically just Black Orcs
crisp heath
yeah the normal orks which are the Ard'Boyz aren't even normal they're basically...
The salamanders of orkz
queen laurel
An actual faction of just normal size orcs would be pretty fun
arctic talon
The salamanders of orkz
that is not what a black orc is 💀
queen laurel
Normal by warhammer standards of course
crisp heath
that is not what a black orc is 💀
Ik😭
arctic talon
queen laurel
The salamanders of orkz
Brother with all respect I am telling you this there is nothing similar to a salamander to an orc faction
queen laurel
very literal wood elves are funny
gaming
arctic talon
the new chaos chosen are great as well, I'm a big fan of the drum guy
white solar
Imagine being a fan of another franchise
And having to do population comparisons to Warhammer
queen laurel
very literal wood elves are funny
yeah even though my favorite design choice is armored goliaths and monsters, admit this is pretty ******* cool
arctic talon
tbf the literal wood elves start encroaching on monster territory
some of the Sylvaneth straight up are giant fucking tree monsters
despite technically being elves
queen laurel
tbf the literal wood elves start encroaching on monster territory
yeah i agree
arctic talon
like this thing is technically an elf lol
and its bigger then like most stormcast by quite a bit
queen laurel
like this thing is *technically* an elf lol
and hey Giant insects are pretty cool
queen laurel
however giant tree
giant tree with a sword
arctic talon
I just realized
the tree lord ancients aren't actually the warhammer fantasy treemen mini
they're very similair visually but none of them build the same way as the fantasy one
celest dome
They were revamped during the End Time no ?
white solar
giant tree with a sword
This. Looks. Amazing
arctic talon
They aren’t the endtime mini
I checked
For some reason GW made another one lol
this is the 8e treeman
his stance is a lot less wide
and he doesn't have a sword
white solar
This is the sylvaneth faction?
arctic talon
Thats a wood elf mini
but the previous ones were Sylvaneth yes
which are mostly reincarnated elven souls given to alarielle
and she sort of decided she doesn't really want to deal with fleshy elves
if we get a vermintide in age of sigmar there’s a good possibility if they’re reusing the same characters Kerellian is a tank
And also probably 10 times more traumatized from having her soul devoured by slaanesh
white solar
I forget that its not all dystopian cybergrunge
I barely know about the dystopian high fantasy apparently.
Oh right. That bit. The eldar.
rose oak
And also probably 10 times more traumatized from having her soul devoured by sla...
Heresy, Xenos are forbidden. Let alone a part of the imperial inquisition.
arctic talon
Heresy, Xenos are forbidden. Let alone a part of the imperial inquisition.
Me when vermintide
Different setting
Fantasy and AoS is much less xenophobic in general
And the answer to everything isn’t total brutal violence
Unless it’s chaos
In which that case the answer is total brutal violence
rose oak
Me when vermintide
Yeah, but still completely no prospect for aeldari of any flavour in 40k.
echo vault
The eldar corsairs look amazing tho
celest dome
Yeah, but still completely no prospect for aeldari of any flavour in 40k.
That's not what he is saying though
arctic talon
Yeah, but still completely no prospect for aeldari of any flavour in 40k.
I’m not talking about 40K lol
I was talking about a hypothetical tide game in AoS
rose oak
Oh ok. Fair enough. The organic character system would be nice for AOS or fantasy
crisp heath
Sylvaneth are my new beloved
echo vault
I love the lumineth
urban spire
Heresy, Xenos are forbidden. Let alone a part of the imperial inquisition.
there is a sanctioning process for xenos that allows them into the imperium
on an individual basis though
and obviously with how xenophobic the empire at large is they dont get a lot of freedoms
coarse pumice
6, 7 and 8th edition lol
6th and 7th were doing fine, it's 8th that killed it thanks to the way it was written
I played a lot during 6th and 7th, and it was popular in Europe. In some regions in Europe it was actually the dominant game over 40k.
8th fucked the army composition and favoured larger units while GW were drastically increasing prices, because it was written in an environment where you could just grab loads of studio models to use for playtesting without thought on what people could practically buy, paint up and carry around easily
it was a reaction against 'cavalryhammer' 7th, because the rules then favoured cavalry quite a bit (but there were some non-cav armies that were good) but at least that was less costly to actually get into, and IMO was a more interesting game moving around heavy cavalry than having huge units that just bellyflop in the middle while you hope your wizzard could cast a total power spell that could delete the enemy blob.
jaunty rampart
Been listening to some videos on Darktide lore and wow I'm absolutely enthralled with the world of 40k
Hearing how the Medicare stations are made was fucked up
queen laurel
Hearing how the Medicare stations are made was fucked up
Hey it's not the worst faith at least you can help people I mean you can be subjected to a lot worse in the imperium
jaunty rampart
If you're lucky enough to have your mind completely wiped and be a husk of yourself
Apparently sometimes through error or tech priests being assholes, those in the medicare stations can sometimes still remember their past selves
green loom
It's not an error
Which is the fun part 
The human element can't be removed entirely
So something is always left
jaunty rampart
Oh.... ._.
Omg it's like lobotomised dementia, remembering only fragments of your former self but being stuck in the husk of your own body and mind
queen laurel
Omg it's like lobotomised dementia, remembering only fragments of your former se...
And being turned into servitor is considered a good way of redeeming yourself
( it's not )
jaunty rampart
Sadly that's a reality brought upon by the Imperium, by banning AI and the use of AI, Tech Priests had to find a workaround, by using organic brains as the CPU
green loom
I mean the tech priests are the ones that condemn AI as literal blasphemy
jaunty rampart
But after the AI uprising thousands of years before that, everyone's too scared to use it
jaunty rampart
I mean the tech priests are the ones that condemn AI as literal blasphemy <:smil...
Only because it came round and bit humanity on the ass
Try and play God to machines and that's what happens
queen laurel
Only because it came round and bit humanity on the ass
If you give AI sentience and treat them like shit that do happen
jaunty rampart
During the Dark Age of Technology I guess humans got bored and tried new things and experimented, one of those was sentience in AI
And it was nearly responsible for destroying humanity
alpine ingot
When Clippy starts talking to Alexa and the roomba that the only way to prevent chaos is the extermination of its creators entire race... yeah I am not surprised admech went the route they did along with Big E.
rose thorn
Sylvaneth are my new beloved
Same
urban spire
what you get out of true AI depends on what you put in
factions that don't mistreat their AI don't have issues with it
celest dome
There's a book I once tried to read where Humanity find an old AI in the sea, coming from an Alien race that is much older than Humanity, and so they start befriending the AI and incorporating it in their systems. The MC get one implanted in his head iirc and they treat each others as brother/sister or something
misty widget
Can Chaos be beat? Or just changed to be more amenable and benevolent?
broken zealot
We're not doing your homework for you Emperor
broken zealot
Are there traitor legions that just took a third option and was like
"Yeah, we don't like the emperor but we're not doing the whole chaos thing"
green loom
Not really
broken zealot
Traitor legion that just retires and goes to some backwoods world and chills
urban spire
there are traitor marines who just fucked off to do their own thing
didn't really fall to chaos
could conceivably happen to a chapter but never did to a legion
green loom
There's phoenix guard in the bile books that just fucked off to some random tundra and lived in a Cabin
urban spire
sounds like a good time honestly
probably not an easy life though, space marines need a LOT of calories
see that type of thing is what it takes to get me to care about space marines
someone being an individual with a personality
other than just "raa war, empra gud, xeno bad"
any indication that they have an inner life, not just the npc meme
green loom
From whatI can gauge that's generally the case with most prominent marines
But most marine fans probably wouldn't know
urban spire
if they just stick with the chapter and do normal space marine things, you cannot make me believe in them as a character
and "normal space marine things but more heroic" does not break that mold
queen laurel
if they just stick with the chapter and do normal space marine things, you canno...
Yeah it doesn't make me believe that these people who are given the power to change the future of humanity are people, nothing more than just glorified killing machines most of the time
Making space marines actually feel human
Is such an amazing thing
The socalled angels were once people too
urban spire
i think one of the cain books did it? maybe someone else, idr
some novel where the main character had tea with a space marine, no armour, just a human interaction
that, on its own, does SO MUCH to make a character believable
queen laurel
that, on its own, does SO MUCH to make a character believable
Yeah I think a good portion of people forget that space marines were once human too
They are only ascended to angels to be sent off to wars but that doesn't mean they can't remember who they used to be
urban spire
unless they're grey knights lol
queen laurel
unless they're grey knights lol
Yeah i separate Grey Knights as Their own thing
urban spire
grey knights are so well named
no colour, no character, nothing interesting going on
undone wedge
L take
light parcel
cant really say that now with Custodes around
queen laurel
This freak out is basically an average ork goff when he can't kill something in two seconds
undone wedge
L take
jade holly
Custodes players when I won’t stop blasting Slipknot as Noise Marines during our tabletop battle (The silence would offend Slaanesh)
forest orbit
Custodes players are legit the most elitist people you can meet
their subreddit has them malding over half the lore events where their faction loses members/dies
😂
undone wedge
I don’t even play tabletop I just think the lore is cool.
jade holly
Same
I’m all for papa Nurgle but the idea of a metal band SM group is too hilarious to pass up on
undone zodiac
Custodes players are legit the **most** elitist people you can meet
Meanwhile sisters losing entire sisterhoods every codex
brisk vine
Meanwhile sisters losing entire sisterhoods every codex
At least it wasn't grey knights doing it this time.
undone zodiac
Are there any stories about tau trying to convert space marines
Outside of that attempt to use some psychic maggots to pry secrets from raven guard marine
arctic talon
Are there any stories about tau trying to convert space marines
There’s a few but they’ve pretty much given up lol
undone zodiac
I know by now they're just shoot on sight
arctic talon
They’re almost shoot on sight
You can still negotiate with them sometimes
But they don’t bother converting them because it doesn’t work
nocturne crest
Are there new custodes being trained or is it case of once they're gone, they're gone?
arctic talon
Are there new custodes being trained or is it case of once they're gone, they're...
There are new ones being made
nocturne crest
So custodes aren't a limited resource then?
green loom
They're limited in that they're made slowly
grave sparrow
who makes them though? I always figured it was the emperor before his entombment and then they could no longer make new ones
grave sparrow
but new ones are still being made in the current setting or is it left ambiguous?
undone zodiac
At least i remember their codex said zilch
queen laurel
but new ones are still being made in the current setting or is it left ambiguous...
Custodes are still made, just incredibly ******* slow because of the amount of resources that goes into one
grave sparrow
but we don't know who is making them or really how. I mean I like it, always fun to leave things to speculation
undone zodiac
Yeah how exactly they're made is unknown
queen laurel
but we don't know who is making them or really how. I mean I like it, always fun...
yeah that's the secret, but this is the imperium they have a lot of secrets
green loom
We do know tho
They've got entire populations of artificers and gene alchemists
Who handle the entire process
undone zodiac
But its not elaborated on
storm jungle
but we don't know who is making them or really how. I mean I like it, always fun...
Its handwaved by saying they are made through Terran "gene-alchemists"
grave sparrow
I'm just gonna with it's Rogal Dorn in a centurian suit making Custodies until proven otherwise
storm jungle
so more or less very highly important geneticists that work within the Imperial palace
grave sparrow
Rogal Dorn the geneticist!
but that works for me, makes sense. Kinda disappointing it's kept vague but I'm sure somewhere down the line it'll be expanded upon
wet sandal
Its handwaved by saying they are made through Terran "gene-alchemists"
Translation: eugenics
celest dome
Not exactly the same things
They are taken from normal people as children and then made into Custodes
plush mason
eugenics and transhumanism are core parts of the imperium lol
queen laurel
They are taken from normal people as children and then made into Custodes
Yeah I see them as premium space marines
The processes of making them are probably not the same but both turned out to be giant super weapons that can kill everything in front of it one is just better than the other so
plush mason
thats what they are in a way, because they are the emperor's personal legion and he HAS to have the nicest things
versed ledge
What kind of music do you guys suppose the Eldar make?
storm jungle
We already kinda know.
pretty much normal string instruments/gentle tunes
If its corsairs/drukhari though probably anything
hasty coral
If its corsairs/drukhari though probably anything <:KEKW_ogryn:10220771883229061...
Honest anwser: Screams of the tortured
Fun answer: Death metal with a heavy amount of screaming (their own or others)
hasty coral
Expecting ANYTHING good of the Dark Eldar
I think they have to be my least favorite faction
Tau automatically being in last place aside
storm jungle
green loom
IT has been a while since I've consumed a 40k book
queen laurel
pretty much normal string instruments/gentle tunes
Their builders literally play jazz to raise giant buildings and make weapons
That's definitely something
plush mason
no need to be deep when being asshole evil guys is just better
dark eldar are great, just torture people to live forever
versed ledge
https://youtu.be/MKc-xaP-xgg
Ahh... beautiful, sounds like a drug fueled rave in the most shadiest part of town.
Yup definitely dark eldar
Tau seems like the faction to blast city pop or anime music
storm jungle
What kind of music do you guys suppose the Eldar make?
Theres also this example
versed ledge
Ah...elf stuff
queen laurel
Theres also this example
Guy's jawline classifies as a sword
normal light
What kind of music do you guys suppose the Eldar make?
Screams of Agony 
queen laurel
Screams of Agony <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
Eldar my guy not Dark eldar
hasty coral
Theres also this example
They defintely fucked that tree
As you know
They fucked EVERYTHING
storm jungle
Wat
hasty coral
You don't birth Slaanesh without doing some weird shit, that tree defintely saw some shit
storm jungle
Craftworlders are the ones that saw that and left 💀
normal light
Eldar my guy not Dark eldar
THEY ALL SHALL SUFFER
storm jungle
so not the same thing
hasty coral
Craftworlders are the ones that saw *that* and left 💀
Thats what THEY say
Knife ear propaganda
storm jungle
this is about the same as seeing today's Italians and saying they killed countless people as Romans
hasty coral
Who WOULDN'T want to be the Romans
queen laurel
this is about the same as seeing today's Italians and saying they killed countle...
Or saying that modern day germans are basically still the nazi
versed ledge
Never did understand the craft world background, who are they?
queen laurel
Never did understand the craft world background, who are they?
Eldar that decided to bail
versed ledge
Military, religious pilgrims, sane people?
storm jungle
Never did understand the craft world background, who are they?
Eldar that saw the Fall coming and realised most of their race was crazy and left.
queen laurel
When everything is getting worse
storm jungle
They are pretty sane people
versed ledge
So military and uninfected
green loom
The Craftworlds are basically Preppers but Eldar
queen laurel
They are pretty sane people
Yeah, i mean i don't want to sit on my front lawn and see jonathan and angelo going at it for the fifth time today because i just want to enjoy my space tea
storm jungle
unless you are Biel-Tan which is the only militaristic craftworld there is
storm jungle
The Craftworlds are basically Preppers but Eldar <:KEKW_ogryn:102207718832290616...
basically this yeah
versed ledge
True, though they have massive floatillas of what are effectively refugee ships
storm jungle
yep
Craftworlds are basically continent to planet sized refugee ships and more or less utopias
queen laurel
Craftworlds are basically continent to planet sized refugee ships and more or le...
They were used as transport ships back in the day right
versed ledge
So remnants of the aeldari navy that just in a metaphorical and literal sense, jump ship
storm jungle
nah they got a navy
thats just a part of the escort craft you can see around the ship as tiny dots
storm jungle
They were used as transport ships back in the day right
Transport and trading
imagine cruise/cargo ships more or less
queen laurel
Transport and trading
Yeah so imagine the thing that they actually considered a warship back in the day if that's what you call a transport ship
versed ledge
That's a craft world?
storm jungle
One yes
queen laurel
Yep
versed ledge
Looks like a modded destroyer
storm jungle
all craftworlds look different
queen laurel
all craftworlds look different
Yeah, but in terms of weaponry what do they have
urban spire
craftworlds aren't normal
storm jungle
Yeah, but in terms of weaponry what do they have
No specifics, just superweapons etc
urban spire
elf shit
queen laurel
usual shit you can imagine on a masive warship
Hmmm i see
urban spire
they very big shuriken launcher
versed ledge
Considering the Eldar are ancient, odds are that vessel is the archaic equivalent of a cruiser
storm jungle
you joke
urban spire
the improbably large shuriken launcher
storm jungle
but theres one eldar ship where uh
it has a massive spider abdomen
that shoots massive wires
hasty coral
What is the deal with the Eldar population?
storm jungle
that entangle and cut apart ships
hasty coral
Isn't it REALLY bad?
storm jungle
Kinda
versed ledge
Cool, warp spider ships
storm jungle
they are a post-scarcity society
urban spire
eldar guns literally pushin rope
hasty coral
Because catastrophe stuff vs 40k conflict scale
queen laurel
you joke
Don't eldar literally have the ability to make weapons and buildings just by singing gangnam style
versed ledge
So they have no issues with supplies and logistics, lucky elves
storm jungle
Because catastrophe stuff vs 40k conflict scale
Yes and yes.
but theres literally as many eldar as the plot/author demands
so its not that big of an issue
hasty coral
Exactly
So their "population scarcity" is relative to the writer
Thats what I assumed
storm jungle
yeah but the general message is their populations arent massive
hasty coral
Are they doing well in the galaxy right now?
storm jungle
they are all seperate from each other
queen laurel
Are they doing well in the galaxy right now?
Ehhh
undone zodiac
Dying race
Conviniently billions die vs tyraninds on lyanden
urban spire
Don't eldar literally have the ability to make weapons and buildings just by sin...
yes, but that's kind of like asking "don't humans have the ability to make a kilometer tall house by just stacking rocks?"
hasty coral
I can't imagine they are compared to the REST of the galaxy
queen laurel
Eldar tend to be kind of the punching bag
storm jungle
Dying race
Conviniently billions die vs tyraninds on lyanden
Billion isnt a big number in 40k scale
versed ledge
Eldar tend to be kind of the punching bag
Because elves
storm jungle
hasty coral
Remeber Earth NOW has only 7 billion
queen laurel
yes, but that's kind of like asking "don't humans have the ability to make a kil...
I don't know man singing gangnam style seems more fun than stacking rocks
versed ledge
A billion is just the average Monday loss of life count
hasty coral
In 40k over how many tightly packed planets?
undone zodiac
Billion isnt a big number in 40k scale
With 's. So could be hunreds
urban spire
singing wraithbone into structures is probably more fun yeah
storm jungle
In 40k over how many tightly packed planets?
The planet Tertium the one Darktide takes place in has 90 million as one example
Terra has hundred billions
Humans fuck and breed fast like rats
for every second we talk lots of people born and die right now
queen laurel
Humans fuck and breed fast like rats
Rats, why do i suddenly remember a specific video from a specific creator
Oh well probably nothing
versed ledge
90 million uninfected or part of census as a whole ... because that's a lot of Zeds to kill
urban spire
90 million is kinda low for a hive city
queen laurel
90 million uninfected or part of census as a whole ... because that's a lot of Z...
Probably a good chunk of the population to be fair
storm jungle
I cant remember what the veteran said
it was either million or billion
same shit at this rate 💀
urban spire
90 billion is probably a bit high lol
storm jungle
it WAS 90-something
versed ledge
So....we're really screwed in tertium
hasty coral
Gotta be a billion no? Its a HIVE world
urban spire
hive cities aren't exactly uniform
hasty coral
Thats assuming people don't live there too
queen laurel
hive cities aren't exactly uniform
Yeah some of them are straight off tall enough to reach the atmosphere
Or the stratosphere i don't remember
grave sparrow
Also could make the assumption that the things the characters say isn't always accurate
urban spire
new york has 8.5 million people
storm jungle
Also could make the assumption that the things the characters say isn't always a...
Thats the tricky part because 8 Black Library writers worked on the script/dialogue for this game
queen laurel
But the highest threats are captains and beasts of nurgle
Each one has a refractor shield and the most dangerous variant uses of power sword and a plasma gun
versed ledge
So if we 60% of the entire population of tertium either insane or undead, can't we just nuke some sectors?
urban spire
a hive city is usually hundreds of times larger than NYC
storm jungle
So if we 60% of the entire population of tertium either insane or undead, can't ...
Tertium the main hive city has an industrial output that needs securing
urban spire
going both up and down
storm jungle
the characters suggest exterminatus at various points but its said to not be doable just yet
Morrow said that we will keep fighting until theres no hope left
grave sparrow
Thats the tricky part because 8 Black Library writers worked on the script/dialo...
Oh yeah, I'm meaning more of the characters themselves may just be hearing rumors or speculating, not that the writers are incorrect on accident
queen laurel
So if we 60% of the entire population of tertium either insane or undead, can't ...
A lot of imperium fights basically have two things
They are either taking something or defending something
On our case right now we are taking something
versed ledge
Morrow has some serious hope then
queen laurel
We need the city intact because it produces a lot of weapons and vehicles
urban spire
the thing about tertium is that in spite of sections being occupied by the enemy, it is STILL producing materiel
versed ledge
Yeah I wonder how is that possible
urban spire
for the imperium i mean
hasty coral
Each one has a refractor shield and the most dangerous variant uses of power swo...
Yeah bad shit but nothing OMG TERTIUM is FUCKED
urban spire
so until that stops they're not going to exterminatus
storm jungle
We also dont know how deep the poxwalker infestation goes
versed ledge
The manufactoria we enter is in full operation, yet with ungodly amounts of hostiles in the AO
storm jungle
at the moment the war is largely delegated to the underhive and middle-hive
hasty coral
The escalation has to be chaos rituals
queen laurel
Yeah bad shit but nothing OMG TERTIUM is FUCKED
Yeah the imperium rarely if ever brings extremely destructive super weapons out, because they want to benefit from a win after all
urban spire
and throneside
queen laurel
Get the manufacturers going stuff like that
urban spire
i think throneside is like upper middle?
versed ledge
at the moment the war is largely delegated to the underhive and middle-hive
No doubt the upper hive is just enjoying their cocktails whilst watching the show beneath them
hasty coral
i think throneside is like upper middle?
Upper
queen laurel
at the moment the war is largely delegated to the underhive and middle-hive
The highest part of the hive city we visited is the throne side right
hasty coral
Some of it
storm jungle
yeah throneside is middle-point
versed ledge
Yeah, part of it, but it looks mostly locked down there
queen laurel
yeah throneside is middle-point
Jesus christ the upgrade compared to the lower point
storm jungle
the announcers say as much
queen laurel
If that's the middle point i can't imagine the high point
versed ledge
Whats upper hive then?
The best part of a hive to live if one has money
queen laurel
Must be so fancy i will burn my eyes
urban spire
just gaudy
versed ledge
Would be nice to join chaos just to burn that place down
versed ledge
Makes one wonder why we're fighting for them
queen laurel
Makes one wonder why we're fighting for them
Because if we don't we will get shot in the head
versed ledge
Because if we don't we will get shot in the head
Fair enough
queen laurel
or probably suffer a worst fate
grave sparrow
fighting for the warband, for the good of the imperiun! For the Throne! For Terra! For the EMPRAH!
versed ledge
Probably become one of the many medicae servitors
urban spire
deserting isn't an option, regardless
like where would we go, into the chemical wasteland outside the hive?
celest dome
Makes one wonder why we're fighting for them
Story of humanity innit
urban spire
bowels of the underhive?
queen laurel
deserting isn't an option, regardless
Yeah so surprised loose cannon was able to escape with his life talking about something like that
versed ledge
Maybe papa nurgle's forces might have an opening
queen laurel
Like they are openly listening to us
celest dome
like where would we go, into the chemical wasteland outside the hive?
Some people do make a living in those area
versed ledge
Or the toxic wasteland seems better
urban spire
not us
grave sparrow
I forgot what story it was, but I remember a penal legionnaire squad wanted to go AWOL during a tyranid invasion and their leader was like, ok yeah, you're 100% gonna die doing that, alone, defensless
versed ledge
So it's either die, or die, then
urban spire
wrt loose cannon: i don't think they care if borderline penal legion guardsmen talk about deserting as long as it stays just talk
grave sparrow
well, stay and fight and possibly win, or run away and 100% die
queen laurel
wrt loose cannon: i don't think they care if borderline penal legion guardsmen t...
Yeah it's still shown that he cares about people to some degree
grave sparrow
like ya ain't gonna find a safer place in a tyranid invasion than a well fortified gun line
hasty coral
So it's either die, or die, then
Jokes on the universe our characters are named (ish)
versed ledge
Yeah that's pretty true too
hasty coral
And I mean most of the crew is pretty skilled
warm notch
Is "Mutie" slang or is it actually the way they call it?
hasty coral
The veteran isn’t just a normal soldier
hasty coral
Is "Mutie" slang or is it actually the way they call it?
Slang
urban spire
slang for mutant
queen laurel
like ya ain't gonna find a safer place in a tyranid invasion than a well fortifi...
Yeah but you also need to count your blessings because that gun line hopefully can withstand assault from monsters that tear open a tank with their bare hands
versed ledge
And no doubt one or more of the crew will "persuade" (shoot or chainsaw) any potential deserters to stay and fight
urban spire
lucky for us it's not tyranids
grave sparrow
Yeah but you also need to count your blessings because that gun line hopefully c...
better there than hiding alone somewhere lol
versed ledge
Or we're all really screwed
hasty coral
Our teams also do well because we fight scrappy
queen laurel
better there than hiding alone somewhere lol
Yep
hasty coral
None of that stand your ground shit
versed ledge
Hardly anyone ever survives the nids
hasty coral
Our teams are rejects
queen laurel
Hardly anyone ever survives the nids
They consume every single biological life on a planet
urban spire
well, my teams usually do well because smite can carry the worst teams as long as they know how to shoot a target 5 feet away from them
hasty coral
And can effectively corral dangerous targets
queen laurel
So if you somehow survived an invasion you must be some kind of man of god with enough blessings and even the space marines revere you
hasty coral
well, my teams usually do well because smite can carry the worst teams as long a...
Yeah but like when a beast appears with a horde elite squad and a couple specials
Your scrappy hit and run fighting helps
versed ledge
So if you somehow survived an invasion you must be some kind of man of god with ...
Or just extremely Extremely lucky
urban spire
or the navy showed up and won the fight in space
versed ledge
Tyranids vs nurgle? Invasion
Nah we sitting this one out, let those two fight
urban spire
depends on the scale
hasty coral
Nah we sitting this one out, let those two fight
This is true
queen laurel
What’s harder to defend against generally?
Nurgle infections can outright stay on the planet with tyranids most of the time they will leave
The planet a barren wasteland
urban spire
there is a scale of tyranid invasion that can't be beaten, and there's a scale of daemonic incursion that can't be resisted
versed ledge
What's worse between the two
urban spire
both, neither
celest dome
Chaos I guess
urban spire
no real difference
grave sparrow
probably nids? If you fall to Nurgle they're generally pretty happy
versed ledge
In the end the guardsman fighting that is gonna die screaming
celest dome
Like in both you'll die then at least with Tyr then it's ended
queen laurel
What's worse between the two
I'd say chaos because the biological weaponry of the death guard is extremely effective
The diseases and viruses they can throw at you are very disgusting and very very painful
grave sparrow
don't the nids have projetiles that are lil flesh eating worms?
versed ledge
Are they that potent that not even CBRN equipment can handle it?
urban spire
CBRN?
grave sparrow
Chemical, Biological, Radioactive, Nuclear
grave sparrow
so like your HAZMAT, MOPP suits n shit
queen laurel
Yeah but death guard straight up turn planets into uninhabitable war zones, tyranids at least you can at least introduce new things the planet to terraform it into a new place
After all the only did kill biological life
urban spire
i mean the issue is that the vector for infection is the big stab wound in your gut
queen laurel
So introducing some few plants and some new water and you're good to go
Maybe have to wait a couple of 1 billion years but you know
Restorable
urban spire
most kinds of power armour will protect you from chemical/biological warfare in 40k, given that they are environmentally sealed
unless you're one of the idiots who don't put their helmet on
versed ledge
But up against Nurgle, the thing about Nurgle - the disease it offers aren't like standard diseases
queen laurel
unless you're one of the idiots who don't put their helmet on
Space wolves am i right
urban spire
still dead
versed ledge
Busy with constipation on the golden throne
queen laurel
Can’t scratch his nose
I'm pretty sure he doesn't even have one anymore
versed ledge
Imperial taco bell be like that
urban spire
corpse starch taco
hasty coral
Let didn’t his conversation with Guilliman go BAD
Like omg my father isn’t ok kind of bad?
urban spire
the emperor was never ok
i mean he's more unstable now
but he wasn't exactly sane before
veteran
should get a sentinel as one of his capstones
versed ledge
So if you guys were a commander for a chaos army, how would you conquer an imperial world?
grave sparrow
Drop a black stone fortress on it
versed ledge
Well... that's one way
grave sparrow
It's how Abaddon won after getting his ass kicked at Cadia lol
hasty coral
Well the job is to destroy the imperium so chaos can win no?
Fuck conquering
Higher ranking chaos members just return to the warp lol
arctic talon
So if you guys were a commander for a chaos army, how would you conquer an imper...
Daemons
hasty coral
So here’s a thought
arctic talon
Cause enough damage to the fabric of reality
To start summoning daemons
And sick them on the enemy
celest dome
Cadia was a Phyric win for Chaos
hasty coral
Couldn’t they just run around it
arctic talon
That’s like killing a god
hasty coral
Unclean
hasty coral
I meant
celest dome
So if you guys were a commander for a chaos army, how would you conquer an imper...
Piracy then starting cults in the Hives
grave sparrow
it's a toxic fart expelling machine
arctic talon
You don’t get the you’ll melt alive part
hasty coral
That mf has tiny eyes
hasty coral
Magic my ass
celest dome
Herald are the highest a small group could in theory face
hasty coral
Can’t aim that shit
hasty coral
But couldn’t you be far enough away
arctic talon
Your flesh will decay your armor melt
hasty coral
And just keep running away from it while shooting?
arctic talon
But couldn’t you be far enough away
You’d prolly still be horrifically sick
And also daemons
Don’t care about guns
versed ledge
Piracy then starting cults in the Hives
Good plan, I would exploit the subject misery of imperial life
grave sparrow
you basically have to be a blank, psyker, or greyknignt to stand a chance against a greater chaos deamon
arctic talon
You need to get up close and personal
If you aren’t a Psyker
And even if you are a psyker
hasty coral
Awwww
arctic talon
Getting up close and personal is the easiest way to kill it
hasty coral
But they are FAT
versed ledge
Probably use warp dickery to mess with people's minds
arctic talon
Also great unclean ones aren’t that slow
hasty coral
I can outrun one
hasty coral
That mf is at least not sprinting
versed ledge
Dude, great unclean ones are huge
urban spire
Cadia was a Phyric win for Chaos
was it? they divided the entire galaxy in half off of that w
arctic talon
Their swords literally ignore armor
hasty coral
I’ll violate his mother
versed ledge
It'll be like out running Godzilla...you just can't
hasty coral
grave sparrow
it'll also have a legion of minions you probably can't outrun
versed ledge
Nurglings would probably be much more slower and crueler
urban spire
if total warhammer 3 is anything to go by, most humans can outrun most daemons of nurgle
celest dome
was it? they divided the entire galaxy in half off of that w
So it's a win. Just costly
arctic talon
You’ll die of some horrific sickness
hasty coral
Yeah but those little bastards are FAST
grave sparrow
even if you kill a daemon it'll just go back to the warp and rejuvinate unless you give it a true death with ungodly rare weapons
versed ledge
Rather fight Slaanesh or Tzeentch, at least they make it fun
arctic talon
if total warhammer 3 is anything to go by, most humans can outrun most daemons o...
Total warhammer 3 also has treemen dying to normal ass great swords potentially so I don’t take the game mechanics as canon
hasty coral
if total warhammer 3 is anything to go by, most humans can outrun most daemons o...
A unclean one literally loses to a ranged chariot
urban spire
or humans of fantasy are much stronger
versed ledge
I mean they're using magic, so ....
arctic talon
A greater daemon in fantasy usually means a world is gona end
In fantasy it’s likes really fucking shit
But like the world isn’t gona end bcs Kairos shows up
arctic talon
I mean
Kairos can’t single handidly
End a world in fantasy
He can in 40K lol
A greater daemon showing up in 40K is like
End of the world scenario normally
urban spire
yeah but fantasy has people like gotrek and teclis
hasty coral
Yeah but it also has Nagash
arctic talon
Also the warp and realm of chaos isn’t the same
They’re 2 different settings
Fundamentally
hasty coral
So like a mild inconvenience could be the end of the world
With Nagash around
Dickhead
hasty coral
Yeah but he is still an ASSHOLE
arctic talon
He doesn’t want to end the world
Technically
Just enslave everyone and take it over
💀
hasty coral
TECHNICALLY
urban spire
he just wants to end it on his terms
hasty coral
MY POINT
arctic talon
Lol
urban spire
doesn't like the chaos end
hasty coral
Fuck that guy
hasty coral
At least Skaven are up front about being little shits
hasty coral
Like they are funnily like the most honest race in fantasy
Because they straight up admit they are definitely gonna betray you
arctic talon
That’s because the stereotype of Skaven is literally always true
As well
Thank you great horned rat
urban spire
they don't admit shit
hasty coral
I fucking love Skaven
arctic talon
they don't admit shit
Also this
hasty coral
I’m sorry
arctic talon
They lie a ton
hasty coral
I just do
arctic talon
You just assume they’re lying because they probably are
hasty coral
they don't admit shit
Their existence admits everything
urban spire
skaven will tell you he's still on your side while his knife is in your back
hasty coral
I just ADORE them
urban spire
i think they are fantastic villains
hasty coral
I wouldn’t trust one
hasty coral
But he is the one I understand the most
arctic talon
And they do it well
arctic talon
But he is the one I understand the most
So you’d stab your brother to death while saying you’re helping him
urban spire
they represent an aspect of chaos sadly absent from 40k
hasty coral
Like a Skaven is someone which I KNOW what he is gonna do
arctic talon
they represent an aspect of chaos sadly absent from 40k
Literal chaos?
Or the chronic backstabbing part
urban spire
no, skaven
arctic talon
No
urban spire
just, skaven
hasty coral
So you’d stab your brother to death while saying you’re helping him
I’m just saying at least they are pretty upfront with their existence as a bunch of fucking, LITERAL rats
arctic talon
Lol
hasty coral
Mmmmmm
hasty coral
Probably not
arctic talon
They can fit in
hasty coral
I LOVE Skaven to my core
arctic talon
They just have to make them
hasty coral
But
urban spire
skaven infesting an underhive would be so cool
hasty coral
And we already have Trayzen for that
urban spire
also if they put skaven in 40k we could have more vermintide crossovers
arctic talon
Being some random ass human learning about giant rat men being real
Who are armed with literal nukes and laser cannons
urban spire
skaven perspectives are also goofy
arctic talon
Is not great
arctic talon
skaven perspectives are also goofy
True
urban spire
i've read a lot of gotrek and felix, the skaven characters piss themselves a LOT
hasty coral
They are literally cowards
arctic talon
The skarbrand incident
hasty coral
Born
arctic talon
hasty coral
Didn’t he like show up by accident because of a Skaven sorcerer
And then caused mayhem
And said he liked the Skaven now
Said “hey summon me again sometime lil homie”
urban spire
being a skaven sounds awful, being enslaved by the skaven sounds awful, but observing them in any capacity makes their goofyness immediately obvious
hasty coral
Don’t forget they are still a HORRIFIC faction
urban spire
anyway what the fuck were we talking about
hasty coral
To a pretty violent degree
They are incredibly grim dark
They just make good comic relief
urban spire
oh right, i wanted to mention another weird thing about chaos
there's no god of fear
hasty coral
Just not enough presence in the warp especially after the other four emerged
It’s VERY primordial
urban spire
fear's gotta be a very common emotion in that universe
hasty coral
As a concept
hasty coral
fear's gotta be a very common emotion in that universe
More than anger violence, despair, change, and indulgence?
urban spire
yeah absolutely
hasty coral
Maybe more than Slaanesh
hasty coral
But I’d say the other three are pretty above fear in terms of primordial presence
Didn’t Corvax use fear as his channeling emotion?
arctic talon
there's no god of fear
Raptor god
hasty coral
For his raven form?
urban spire
the eldar were literally custom made so that their faith would create gods in the warp that were marginally more chill than the (at the time) big 3
versed ledge
What does the raptor god even stand for?
arctic talon
Fear
urban spire
but then they oopsied a 4th one into existence instead
arctic talon
Mostly
hasty coral
I think he means the name
arctic talon
We don’t really know beyond that
hasty coral
What it means
celest dome
Fear
Speed
arctic talon
Oh
versed ledge
Explains alot
arctic talon
It’s the god the Raptors/Warptalons worship
What it is we have no clue
They don’t talk about it
urban spire
raptors are birds of prey
versed ledge
So the patron god of the chaos raptor marines
hasty coral
Fear is an odd one
celest dome
There are plenty of minor Chaos gods
arctic talon
It also doesn’t mind them taking blessings from other gods as well
hasty coral
But I think for everyone but Slaanesh it works
celest dome
Most are not well understood though
arctic talon
Yeah
hasty coral
Technology especially now makes sense there could become a fifth
arctic talon
The Raptors and Warptalons are very insular
about their chaos god
They don’t share information lol
And no one wants to ask them either because they’re weird
hasty coral
Do you think they will actually pull the trigger on what’s his name becoming the fifth?
urban spire
nobody wants to talk to chaos marines in general
hasty coral
That’s a MASSIVE decision
celest dome
Do you think they will actually pull the trigger on what’s his name becoming the...
Malice ?
celest dome
Vashtor ?
hasty coral
Apparently Vashtor is REALLY close to becoming a major god
urban spire
vashtorr
celest dome
He probably won't
hasty coral
That’s what I think too
celest dome
He'll stay a Minor Chaos Gods
hasty coral
I would say he has a good chance at being close
arctic talon
hasty coral
Technology is REALLY prevalent now
urban spire
he'll only be a major god if he brings something to the table(top)
arctic talon
He already brings something technically
All the daemon engines
From the forge of souls
urban spire
something new
arctic talon
So yeah nothing
hasty coral
he'll only be a major god if he brings something to the table(top)
Dark mechanicus expansion, lots of new lore, new daemons, etc
arctic talon
Dark mechanicus doesn’t worship him
hasty coral
THEY DON’T
arctic talon
And vashtor explicitly doesn’t like making daemons
hasty coral
FUCKING WHAT?
urban spire
vashtorr is pretty new, the mechanicum is pretty old
hasty coral
Ok definitely not then
arctic talon
Vashtorr is not seen as the omnissiah
hasty coral
Nothing interesting enough
hasty coral
Yeah no
arctic talon
But like
arctic talon
His big thing is just being a literal daemonic arms dealer
hasty coral
Too much work for not enough narrative payback
arctic talon
Yeah
urban spire
by sticking them in an engine
arctic talon
Vashtorr getting jumped by Belakor was funny
urban spire
i really wish we'd get to see more of the warp
hasty coral
Fucking Belakor
urban spire
the immaterium
hasty coral
Belakor is such a little shit
urban spire
he's fine
hasty coral
Bro does nothing and then shows up to cause literal chaos
And then dips
Actual shitheel activity
I love him
urban spire
i bet my psyker could kill him
hasty coral
But my god he is such a little goblin
arctic talon
i really wish we'd get to see more of the warp
Tbf most of it is uninhabitable for a human, it’s just the gods specific pocket realms that are
arctic talon
And we’ve seen like the big 4’s
which are pretty much just the realms of chaos from fantasy
urban spire
i remember reading something about kroot traversing the warp on foot
urban spire
but i went looking for it again the other night and couldn't find it