40k-lore-chat

[echo vault]

Vraks would be like if you turned a US military base into the Vatican kinda

[dusky scroll]

The Imperial knight or titan (forgot the name, those giant mechs with enough guns to block out the sun...) are those still get produced? I heard that imperium lost knowledge of how to make them.

[echo vault]

Depends

[median marsh]

Larger titans are insanely hard to make

[echo vault]

Warhounds could, warlords maybe, the rest no

[celest dome]

Knight yes, titans less so

[urban spire]

graia makes titans too doesn't it

[arctic talon]

Titans and knights are both still made

Warlord and warhounds are still produced

All knight patterns are still made

[queen laurel]

If you're talking about imperial Knights yes they are still made but if you're talking about the mighty emperor class Titan, they're still being made but they are so time consuming and so hard to make that it takes a lot and I mean a lot of years for one to be finished

[echo vault]

Even the asterius (ermm rare variant)

[median marsh]

It's not just making the machine itself, it's also preparing the crew for it

[arctic talon]

Yeah, they’re a major forgeworld, I’d they didn’t they’d be laughed at

[echo vault]

That would be cool

[queen laurel]

Yeah the mentality required to pilot a Titan of this size is very very rare

[arctic talon]

Acastus knights are still produced rarely

[median marsh]

"Did that cathedral just take a step"

[echo vault]

That's cool as hell, I hate that a lot of stuff from the heresy is kinda tossed away

Like one chapter has to have one or two mastodon transports

[plush mason]

Metallica ever get their world back?

[echo vault]

Those things are huge

[urban spire]

actually moving the things around is a pain as well

[arctic talon]

Metallica is still fucked lol

[plush mason]

good

[echo vault]

Let's check up on our favorite recruitment planet

Bodt, home of most world eater recruitment

[dusky scroll]

Another thing, to make a astartes, you need gene seed. So do they just harvest it out of their fallen comrads after a battles?

[echo vault]

Yes

[dusky scroll]

What if a few gets..... lost?

[median marsh]

That's the duty of an apothecary

[queen laurel]

yeah and apparently if i remember it's currently the only way of harvesting a gene seed

Because I'm pretty sure they don't know how to make one anymore

[arctic talon]

Each marine has 2 glands

[arctic talon]

They can still grow more

The mechanicus rather

[median marsh]

Over their life marines make the basis for new geneseed

[queen laurel]

aye

[urban spire]

marines grow more gene seed over time

[dusky scroll]

the badass looking medic out of all fictional worlds

[urban spire]

it's

VERY gay

[arctic talon]

Ones in the neck

[urban spire]

there is no heterosexual explanation for this

[arctic talon]

The other is in the chest

The one in the neck gets harvested early

[dusky scroll]

WHAT?!

[arctic talon]

The one in the chest doesn’t

[dusky scroll]

wdym gay?

are there any slaneeshi stuff going on?

[urban spire]

i have a tummyache i aint gonna explain basic metaphor to you

[median marsh]

they're just being silly

[echo vault]

This isn't really that gay idk

[plush mason]

its not but it sounds gay as hell. its a dude harvesting the gene seed of another due to put in yet another dude later

[dusky scroll]

xD

[median marsh]

all of them are also ripped as hell

[echo vault]

Anything can be gay if we break it down enough but back to

[dusky scroll]

is it located under the belt region?

[echo vault]

No

[dusky scroll]

better

[median marsh]

marine anatomy is pretty extreme

[echo vault]

Neck chest bro drill to the neck saw to the chest

[queen laurel]

I blink once and we immediately crashed the train into this huh

[plush mason]

yup

[dusky scroll]

Can an astartes get a......boner?

[arctic talon]

No

0 sex drive

[median marsh]

they're living weapons essentially

[urban spire]

loyalists can't

[queen laurel]

They literally don't even know the concept of reproductions

[arctic talon]

Some csm can

[queen laurel]

I'm talking they can't ******* tell the gender of a baby

[arctic talon]

But even then not often

[normal light]

Thanks to Slaanesh

[dusky scroll]

Just jacked up Sheldon coopers?

[arctic talon]

Usually Slaanesh aligned csm enjoy violence

[urban spire]

depends on the chapter bulgur

[normal light]

True

Or something else like this

Maybe sounds of agony

And that stuff

[urban spire]

salamanders perhaps

[queen laurel]

and Hey add some extra sounds to the weapons after all

[queen laurel]

They're probably the most knowledgeable on normal human life

[normal light]

Plague Marines tend to enjoy authentic surroundings (Plague Gardens)

[urban spire]

space wolves recruit adults

[median marsh]

Every chapter has different recruitment methods and traditions, some recruit from hardcore gangers etc

Some just pick up basically anyone they see, like Black Templars because they nonstop crusade

[normal light]

What Chapter has the most compatible geneseed?

[arctic talon]

Ultramarines

[urban spire]

compatible with what

[arctic talon]

Dark angels

[median marsh]

Compatible to who

[queen laurel]

There is literally a chapter that is straight up just tarkatans from Mortal Kombat

[arctic talon]

In terms of working properly

[queen laurel]

i'm talking they can straight up launch those bones

[normal light]

To host , so they tend not to die

Mostly

[arctic talon]

Most stable gene stock is the ultramarines and dark angels

[normal light]

While being made as a space marine

[median marsh]

it depends more on the host than the seed

[arctic talon]

Least stable is uh

Prolly space wolves and blood angels

[queen laurel]

what about the 21st cursed founding

[urban spire]

none, it's an absurdly involved process with an unacceptably high failure rate to produce a big boy in a big armoured diaper

[queen laurel]

Heard the gene seed for space marines on that time were quite something

[median marsh]

The operations require a heavy deal of drugs and all that time they also go through trials

[arctic talon]

That was specifically modified specifically for the founding

I’m talking about base gene stock mostly

[normal light]

I know

[median marsh]

So yeah it mostly depends on the reciever

[urban spire]

space marines are incredibly costly to make compared to, say, a leman russ

the tank not the primarch

[plush mason]

oh so i read on reddit that on worlds the space marines rule the apothecaries tend to the medical needs of all the world's population

[urban spire]

depends on the chapter

[queen laurel]

i mean the training that goes into one must be insane

And arming them with specialized armaments made specifically for them too

[urban spire]

it takes DECADES to train, condition and modify a space marine

[median marsh]

Having a fortress monastery on a world is both a curse and a blessing

[plush mason]

so a toddler getting a check up from an 8 foot tall super human is well within reason to see on some chapter run worlds

[urban spire]

and when they're done they aren't even full marines, they get put in the scout corps

[median marsh]

Blessing because if something attacks you have literal demigods fighting bacj

[queen laurel]

curse because they look down upon you

not all of them but a good chunk of them

[median marsh]

Curse because whatever attacks a space marine world knowingly probably knows what it's into and is prepared accordingly

[urban spire]

a chapter is limited to what, a thousand marines?

a chapter couldn't cover the medical care of an entire world if every marine was an apothecary

[queen laurel]

Yes but if I remember I heard the black templars always surpass this because they found a loop

[urban spire]

yeah you're allowed to recruit above 1k if you're on a crusade

which black templars are never not

[median marsh]

Black Templar motto is "fuck your codex" and you can't exactly count em either

[plush mason]

yeah thats why i wasnt sure how accurate it was lol

[urban spire]

meanwhile the space wolves simply don't obey the codex astartes and build up their numbers past 1k anyway

they are literally the space marine cops, who's gonna stop them?

[green loom]

That's not real

[plush mason]

it is

[green loom]

Nope

[celest sable]

Is it ? I thought it was just the black templars excuse to ignore the codex

[green loom]

Nope

[plush mason]

its a loophole the black templars exploit

[green loom]

They don't

[arctic talon]

There’s no rule in the codex about the crusade allowing more then 1000 marines

[safe vigil]

I did have a question.

[arctic talon]

It’s fanon lore

They just ignore the codex astartes

[green loom]

BT don't care, and they give no reason for the imps to concern themselves over it

[arctic talon]

And since they’re second founding and very popular no one really gives a shit

[queen laurel]

fucking runts

[green loom]

Cases like Huron are a different beast

[queen laurel]

i swear to god

[arctic talon]

Huron was literally legion building

[green loom]

They also split up

A lot

[plush mason]

so the black templars havent been on an endless crusade for the past 10k years?

[green loom]

No they have, it just doesn't matter

[arctic talon]

They have

But it’s not why they have more then 1k marines

They just ignore the funny book

[green loom]

A single crusade also probably doesn't have more than 1k

[queen laurel]

you're telling me it was that easier

[near wasp]

Hurons was commiting the cardinal sin, tax evasion

[urban spire]

well

[safe vigil]

What happens to aspirants who prove to be incompatible with the chapter gene-seed. Serfs and Servitors right? Can this happen to Scouts?

[arctic talon]

I mean it’s easier if you’re well liked lol

[green loom]

They're not hard rules

[urban spire]

again, who's gonna stop them

[green loom]

Who wants to

[arctic talon]

Scouts have already gotten everything implemented

[median marsh]

Aspirants who fail can still become serfs

[arctic talon]

So like

[green loom]

BT are popular and effective

And most of all loyal

[safe vigil]

They don't have the Black Carapace

[arctic talon]

Getting turned into a servitor would be a punishment

[arctic talon]

Yeah but the black carapace doesn’t get rejected easily

It’s prolly the safest bit to shove in

It’s just super fucking painful

[urban spire]

it's also mostly pointless

[arctic talon]

Whenever we see a scout turned into a servitor it’s bcs they fucked up somehow

[safe vigil]

Yeah like in Rynns World

[urban spire]

an MIU would function just as well

better in fact, since it doesn't have to interface as much with human nerve tissue

[near wasp]

Couldnt the back carapace also be adapted for people who arnt space marines. Cause isnt that the only geneseed that can be replicated without the proginiod glan

[safe vigil]

I had the idea for a chapter that has an abberant gene-seed that rejects most people. After a calamity there numbers were cut down so far that most of the chapter is made up of a new generation of Scouts who form the main battle line, infiltrate and man the tanks

[arctic talon]

It could be but I’d assume it’s expensive and painful as shit

And not necessary

[green loom]

It was apparently problematic to develop per the Great Work

[plush mason]

what heresy is this? you think you know better than the glorious inventor of the space marines! and that the main reason the imperium is in a state of decline

[urban spire]

emperor just wanted to work his fetish into his super soldiers

[plush mason]

any alteration to the way things are done is seen as an insult to the past and treated as heresy no matter how undeniably better the new way is

[urban spire]

also i have to assume he just thought girls were icky

[plush mason]

dude was gay as hell. look at his personal body guards for fuck sake

[arctic talon]

“ Only men may receive my seed”

[spare osprey]

I mean there’s nothing wrong with being surrounded by golden oiled up dudes

24/7

[queen laurel]

I just went to eat some fried chicken and this is the first thing I see

[celest sable]

I'm pretty sure the Emperor was whispering "No homo" throughout all of this. So it's not gay

[queen laurel]

This is truly Lore chat alright

[plush mason]

lol

[spare osprey]

It’s not the worst thing about the emps that’s been said tbh .

I remember one time in another server

[queen laurel]

Do not

i do not want to hear what another person said about the emperor

[spare osprey]

Someone went off for an hour about how it makes no sense that the emperor made the primarchs in test tubes

[plush mason]

.....

[spare osprey]

If he would’ve just been a woman for a while. Don’t think I’ve talked with them in a while

[urban spire]

huh

bizarre take

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-rabbit-cute-gif-15676652

[queen laurel]

by the gods

[celest sable]

been a woman for a while?

[queen laurel]

i told you not to tell me

[spare osprey]

In short they were saying the emps should’ve just gotten pregnant

[urban spire]

are you tellin me i can just make primarchs?

[celest dome]

I guess

Though I think what that would make would be Sensei no ?

[plush mason]

i think Gork and Mork just stopped fighting for a second. that take was so bad even they had to pause

[spare osprey]

Yeah emps is pretty much a ton of shit in most of history. Been men and women and everything in between

[celest dome]

You know what Sensei as archetype

[urban spire]

honestly i find basically all lore about the emperor as a person to be incredibly uninteresting

[celest dome]

Well with Biomancy you could in theory do that, but I don't think most people would be able to do a functionning one

[celest sable]

I dont know how much of that shamanistic lore is still valid

[queen laurel]

brother they transformed into gorkamorka to hit themselves in the head after hearing it

[urban spire]

he is more interesting as an immortal corpse on a golden throne

[spare osprey]

It is. That specifically was confirmed in the end and the death

[arctic talon]

The emperor is more of a walking plot device then a character most of the time

[urban spire]

they never should have done 30k

[spare osprey]

I enjoy emps when he speaks with lion.

[celest sable]

Need to reread it then because i missed that. I just remember Erda's spiel about the perpetuals and her take on what the Emperor was

[spare osprey]

Talks about ancient history a lot

[urban spire]

i don't think he should have a voice, he should be just a distant symbol, not a person with opinions about things

[celest dome]

Honestly I think they should have done a Post End Time/Pre AoS type of story, where we follow surivors from Order races being the minority and trying to survive for as long as possible

[spare osprey]

Idk I think it’s had its drawbacks and it’s pluses.

A lot of both

[celest dome]

If only we could get the Admech 30k units in 40k

[spare osprey]

That i do agree with, that aesthetic is a lot better

[spare osprey]

Like I don’t think a lot of things in 40K would have as much weight to them if you didn’t have that backstory

[urban spire]

nah i love the modern skitarii

they are cute

[spare osprey]

But on the other hand it has sorta made some things a bit “bleh” in turn

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/tts-beep-mechanicus-gif-19305244

[celest dome]

I love them yes, but I want some heavy duty Tech Priest with giant axes and guns on their back

[urban spire]

that'd be good too

the force you deploy in the mechanicus turn based tactical game is pretty much ideal admech to me, militarily

[queen laurel]

currently right now what's the equivalent of Nobz for adeptus mechanicus anyway

[median marsh]

Sometimes you just have to whack a motherfucker xeno with a giant wrench

[arctic talon]

They don’t have one

[celest dome]

I don't even know the role of Nobz

[celest sable]

Kastellan robots?

[urban spire]

the big robots i think

[arctic talon]

No

Kastellans are killa kan equivalents

Technically

[arctic talon]

Since you can take them in a squad

[celest dome]

Elites ? Carpet ? Melee mob...

[arctic talon]

And kastelan robots are also near vehicle durability

[queen laurel]

ork space marine equivalents, basically elite shock troops wielding good weaponry

[urban spire]

most mechanicus melee units are tiny

[arctic talon]

Nobz are elites

[urban spire]

spindly little guys

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Sicarians and electro priests

[celest dome]

Maybe Vanguard ?

[arctic talon]

Vanguard are scion equivalents

Skitarii in general are scion equivalents

[urban spire]

rust stalkers do look fucking great though

[arctic talon]

They’re cool as hell

[celest dome]

The flyers are great too

[arctic talon]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/3/3c/Sicarian_Rustwalkers.png/revision/latest?cb=20160218000732

[median marsh]

I love admech

I hate that they're seen as "haha toaster!"

[spare osprey]

I wanna learn more about dark mech tbh

[arctic talon]

Me when memes

[urban spire]

also the infiltrator is cute

[arctic talon]

The dome head is funny

[median marsh]

Because they're pretty horrific and interesting

[arctic talon]

Aside from the fact my ears would prolly be bleeding

[urban spire]

just a little guy

[arctic talon]

And I’d be puking

[spare osprey]

Every since I learned you can have “non-chaos” members

[celest sable]

https://tenor.com/view/where-are-the-toasters-you-promised-us-40k-kitten-if-the-emperor-had-a-text-to-speech-device-bruva-alfabusa-gif-25065691

[spare osprey]

Just renegades

[queen laurel]

they ride mechanical horses which is both funny and cool

[median marsh]

[pain]

[celest sable]

This is the root of all evil

[arctic talon]

[urban spire]

i don't like the horses so much

[median marsh]

The engines they have which they keep running forever

[arctic talon]

I love ironstriders

[urban spire]

those are goofy too

[celest dome]

I love the horses

[arctic talon]

Chicken walkers

[green loom]

Maybe I should draw some admech

[median marsh]

[arctic talon]

Tbh the new tall guy I have only one complaint and it’s that his posing is way too stiff

[urban spire]

they're the fucking adeptus mechanicus why don't they have real vehicles

[arctic talon]

If the legs were articulated it would be funny

[celest dome]

I still hope they do a Diligence type vehicle pulled by Serbery horses

[arctic talon]

They have the funny crab tank

And also the skorpius disintegrator

[urban spire]

i like the crab tank

[celest dome]

Cause their vehicles/mounts are better ?

[arctic talon]

Admech suffers from the issue that they were gona get HH stuff ported over

Except the writer died

[celest dome]

Rip

[arctic talon]

Which is a shame because he died so young

[urban spire]

funny crab tank is my current desktop

[celest dome]

Wunderbuffer

[arctic talon]

Onegar dunecrawler my beloved

[celest dome]

Have one of his for my phone background

[urban spire]

i wonder if modern skitarii have been ported into the og dawn of war yet

[celest sable]

I don't think they added Mechanicus in DoW mods

[queen laurel]

kastellan robots are my favorite no question even though they look like among us decided to and steroids

[urban spire]

they did, but it was before we got the skitarii army

[median marsh]

I remember them being a part of a huge mod

[arctic talon]

[celest sable]

Oh ok, my bad

[median marsh]

Unification had explorators apparently

[queen laurel]

yeah the adeptus mechanicus is its own faction in unification mod

source: I have it installed

[urban spire]

kastelans are great

[queen laurel]

they are called adeptus mechanicus explorers

[arctic talon]

Explorator fleets

Aka how to die on some far off world

Horrifically

[urban spire]

anyway yeah big spider is good, but where are the TANKS

idc if they're weird, just give them to me

[queen laurel]

but if we're talking about robots and i mean robots i can have i would have an Ambot for the sheer fact that they look ******* awesome

[celest sable]

The Astra Militarum leeched/requisitioned all of them

[urban spire]

YES

i love ambots

[celest sable]

Is that a hover-tank?

[urban spire]

aren't they a necromunda thing though?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[arctic talon]

They’re made by the admech

[celest sable]

Amazing

[arctic talon]

Lore wise

Gangs who get their hands on one

[queen laurel]

yeah but they are used around the galaxy as mining robots

[arctic talon]

“Modify” them

[urban spire]

ah ok

[queen laurel]

It's just that gangs get their hands on them and you know modify them

[urban spire]

there's a biological component too i believe

[queen laurel]

by turning them into killing machines

[arctic talon]

Yeah

They use an ambull’s nervous system

And lobotomized brain

[queen laurel]

yep basically that of the ambull

[urban spire]

yeah those guys

[arctic talon]

Ambull meat is a delicacy

[urban spire]

ambulls are pretty rad too

[arctic talon]

Shame it’s one of the deadliest creatures in the galaxy lol

[urban spire]

i'd play a faction with that aesthetic

hypothetically

if i played 40k tabletop

and couldn't play skitarii for some reason

[queen laurel]

can you keep one as a pet

[arctic talon]

Prolly not

They have an instinct to dig

And make burrows

[queen laurel]

what if i lobotomized them into an ambot

[urban spire]

you could keep it as a pet very briefly

[arctic talon]

That’s why they get lobotomized

It’s so they can “control” when it kicks in

[urban spire]

pet ambot

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah it's coming together

[arctic talon]

I want a pet ambull

[queen laurel]

A rogue trader with a pet ambot named Tiny

hmm

How do I expand the characteristic of this guy

[urban spire]

please spay and neuter your ambulls

i'm imagining a guy

basically bill nye in rogue trader regalia

his head tiny between the massive shoulder pads

[arctic talon]

Lol

[plush mason]

i would rather have an ambot personally

[celest dome]

Have it be an Ambot but looking like an Ambull
The owner doesn't know it's an Ambot

[plush mason]

lol

[idle phoenix]

Kind of a random question, but would the Arbites have any reason to interact with the inquisition warband on Tertium? Wanted to see if there was any reason a Judge Dredd character or an enforcer would be around, but wasn't sure if it were even possible with the current lore

[celest dome]

Inquisitor sometime have Arbites in their Acolytes

[grave sparrow]

I bet the Arbites are more active in the less corrupted areas of the hive city to act as a deterrant. Like once the warband showed up they went to ensure the corruption didn't spread

[storm jungle]

Current lore?

[idle phoenix]

Low key, it would be interesting to play as a dishonored Arbites (just spitballing cool character ideas)-- and @storm jungle yeah, love the ideas of playing Robocop murdering hive gangers with power mace and shield or stubber

[green loom]

There's not too many Arbites on worlds

They're there to enforce the tithe

[storm jungle]

Honestly its not that far fetched

Arbites are required to be stationed on every Imperial word as per the Lex

they are also the last line of defense before a planet can completely fall to anarchy most of the time, most precint-fortresses got equipment that allows arbites to sometimes fight entire wars by themselves

[idle phoenix]

Thank you! So in the realm of fantasy roelplaying, it's possible to have one as a character and not break lore right? Unless they release an arbites as the 5th class (sadly unlikely, Arbites are a mix of Zealot and Veteran and would most likely pose as a better subclass)

[green loom]

Yep

[median marsh]

an arbiter would work as subclass better than an entire character imo

[green loom]

Rn they share an army with the inquisition on tabletop

[storm jungle]

Uh in the game's premise TECHNICALLY no because all the rejects come from the prison ship/penal legions

but if you get arbites gear you can easily RP as one

I do it with my vet as a catachan jungle fighter

[median marsh]

i think we had a cosmetic set close to arbiter

for zealot

i cannot type properly wtf

[storm jungle]

we also got the necromunda enforcer cosmetics

thats HOPEFULLY for vet

[green loom]

Enforcer sets would be based

[median marsh]

can we have cool looking cosmetics earnable for free pls fatshark

[idle phoenix]

Ahhh that sounds fun, thank you. Right now loving the catachan look but I think arbites/enforcer would look really cool too

[storm jungle]

yeah im sure we'll get it eventually, its in the files

[arctic talon]

The default ones are cooler then a good chunk of the paid ones

[green loom]

And most of the rest of the leaks have been released

[arctic talon]

I will stand by this forever

[median marsh]

theres a whole lot of stuff in the files yeah

[arctic talon]

My only complaint is I want more color variety

Of the basic sets

[green loom]

I figure they'll release the rest of promotional gear next time they add penances

[median marsh]

i think Vet sets you can buy with dockets are solid

[green loom]

Since they're prolly tied to dif ability use

[median marsh]

Ogryns are....euughh.....

[arctic talon]

Do we have the big book yet

[median marsh]

nope

despite it appearing multiple times in promotions lmao

[green loom]

I just want the vet chest piece

Wonder what they're gonna do for the shout penance it'll inevitably be tied to though

[median marsh]

i dont question why much because i honestly dont want to turn this place into general 2 by my complaints, this place is at least nice

[green loom]

Pretty simple, penances intended for it aren't out

[storm jungle]

yeah its deffo gonna be free gear at least

[green loom]

They were obviously going for ability tree specific gear

But they had to cut back on it

[idle phoenix]

ahhhh how cool would this be

[median marsh]

a lot of stuff got held back due to circumstances i imagine

[green loom]

Yep

But now the class overhaul's done, new abilities are in

They're prolly giving us time to familiarize with the new tree to buy themselves time to write up some penances

[median marsh]

just needs a bit of tuning and then its content time

[arctic talon]

The upgraded prison rags are fun

[median marsh]

(i hope)

[celest dome]

There was a leaked shock mace so likely to happen, Zealot Arbites armour would be a good Prem option

[arctic talon]

The most comedic option is it’s a psyker set

[gusty mulch]

It's an Ogryn set instead huehuehue

[idle phoenix]

I mean....ogryns have shields and maces already

and stubbers

[celest dome]

Enforcer Haunts exist, why not Arbites

[arctic talon]

Psykers sent to them do not wear arbite armor

[storm jungle]

yeah Arbites are their own entire group, no outsiders

[arctic talon]

Psyker working with them might pick up mannerisms and such

But they’d ultimately be an outsider

[storm jungle]

its basically ironically what the Savant is

except he was with Enforcers but eh close enough

[arctic talon]

Savant isn’t nearly liberal enough with police brutality

No such thing as “authorizing” excessive force in the arbites

[celest dome]

Enforcer at least are noted as having Psyker in their forces, at least in Necromunda

[gusty mulch]

Did the Grey Knights "No witnesses" protocol get retconned?

[crisp heath]

I would argue that even though the Imperiuym is losing most of their battlemaps ...they have been winning most of the other forms of Warhammer Media.

[arctic talon]

It depends on the situation nowadays

Sort of impossible

With all the daemons coming out of the great rift

[crisp heath]

In the other forms of Media ESPECIALLY the games its usually Chaos who is the punching bag.

[arctic talon]

I do not care

[near wasp]

How are you gonna purge the knowledge of chaos when the average citizen just needs to look up for confirmation

[arctic talon]

Because the tabletop is the main product

[crisp heath]

"Everything is canon not Everything is true." That is what GW says.

[arctic talon]

Whatever GW says in the rule books or source books will always take precedence especially

In regards to games that are explicitly non canon

[crisp heath]

Exactrly but until GW EXPLICITLY SAYS they are Noncanon they are canon./

[arctic talon]

Explicitly speaking not everything is canon GW literally has a section on their site for books that are non canon

[arctic talon]

Battlefleet gothic 1 is not canon, and only spire returning portion is canon in 2

And I’m gona be honest

GW has made it clear the imperium is on the back foot

They are losing

It’s a hopeless battle

[crisp heath]

Source please because you are kind of showing chaos bias.

[arctic talon]

The core rule book

Holy fuck

Literally

[near wasp]

Arks of omen

[arctic talon]

It’s not chaos bias when Arks of Omen, the core rule book and all these other source books

Say the imperium is fighting for its fucking life

After getting shanked repeatedly

The imperium is not close to dead what so ever

[crisp heath]

SO was COG but look at the end of GOW.

[arctic talon]

But it’s certainly not doing great

If GW wanted to change it up they would have done it this edition

Or during arks of omen

[near wasp]

An entire indomintus fleet was turned to chaos by angron, thats a solid blow

[arctic talon]

The funny spire

Technically that was khorne doing it

[crisp heath]

They are setting up Angron to be Jobbed by Gazgul.

[arctic talon]

Angron was just the catalyst

[arctic talon]

Ghazkull is no where near Armageddon right now

[near wasp]

No they arnt, thats never been even so much as hinted at

[arctic talon]

And angron is currently going towards it

I’m pretty sure angrons going to finish the job

Considering half of Armageddon is a daemon planet now after the great rift opened

[crisp heath]

OFC they are hyping uyp Angron as a big bad he is going to Arbageedo to kill Yarrick and then Gazguol is going to end up killing Angron.

[arctic talon]

Yarrick is already dead

[near wasp]

Yarricks already dead

[arctic talon]

He died of something

[near wasp]

What are you smoking

[arctic talon]

Ghazkull is busy doing his own thing

Raising imperial worlds

[green loom]

Ghaz wouldn't go out for a revenge killing for Yarrick, people that say this don't have a clue what makes Ghaz as prevalent as he is

[crisp heath]

Also LBH wiuth the recent Imperium losses and the Tryanid victories its obviopus what they are setting up for.

[arctic talon]

The nids are gona get pushed back at some point

[crisp heath]

Yes in the tabletop that Space Marines 2 is tied into.

[arctic talon]

Wether GW chooses it to be terra

Or the sol system

[arctic talon]

That’s just one splinter fleet of leviathan

Leviathan explicitly loves splitting itself up into tons of splinter fleets

[green loom]

They'd never do plot progression in a game lel, they need to sell campaign books

[arctic talon]

REAL

[crisp heath]

And very likely Chaos is going to be pushed back in the tie in to the Warhamer seires that Cavil is making.

[green loom]

With new marine minis

That people will eat up

[arctic talon]

BUY YOUR CAMPAIGN SUPPLEMENT

[green loom]

If that series even exists it'll be like

Tiny in scale

[arctic talon]

^

40K books and animations are all smaller scale stuff so far

Big stuff gets saved for campaign books

[crisp heath]

And LBH as long as they hold the Ctrl + Alt +Del button for the universe the Necrons are the true victors.

[arctic talon]

Even the plague wars

Was mostly in campaign books and codex’s

[green loom]

Crons don't really want to use the Orrery tbf

They like traditional conquest

"traditional" anyway

[crisp heath]

Yes I mean it is basiclaly a nuke but if they feel like the Chaos or the Nids can be stopped no other way they will do so.

[green loom]

It's also a random mcguffin that will inevitably not be useful when it's convenient

[crisp heath]

Exactly amd withj space marine 2, Darktide becomming popular again, and ofc Boltgun AND the Amazon series you can bet we are going to be seeing an Imperial sweep come the next core update.

[urban spire]

the correct thing to do with the orrery would have been to not write it in the first place

[near wasp]

All gw cares about is models and core book sales theyll do whatever sells more minis

[arctic talon]

The ship has already sailed

[near wasp]

Oh god i sound like dilara now

[urban spire]

it being too late for that, the correct thing to do with it is either ignore it OR have it be used once and then destroyed

you sound like every jaded warhammer fan for the last couple decades

me included

[near wasp]

Ive only been a fan for like 3 years

[arctic talon]

I mean

If anyone doesn’t think that’s true

They’re fucking stupid

[crisp heath]

Just because the ship sailed does not mean it will reach its final destination ...there are plenaty of oppertunites for it to sink .....just need the right Iceberg.

[urban spire]

necrons get sick of existing and use the orrery to squat their entire species out of the galaxy

[arctic talon]

They just knock it over and see what happens

[near wasp]

Pls no

[crisp heath]

Yea Necrons are just going to go quietly if they are going to do that they are dam sure going ot take the rest of the universe with them.

[urban spire]

i dont really have beef with necrons i just think it would be funny

[arctic talon]

Tired of living

[crisp heath]

You know I hope they do not make Gulliman and Yvraine canon.

[arctic talon]

It’s never gona be canon

They’ve talked like

Once

[crisp heath]

Good because careting to shippers is like jumping a shark in a radioactive fridge ...I mean look what happend to RWBY.

[arctic talon]

If anything

[green loom]

The games have no bearing on the lore

[arctic talon]

Guilliman getting together with Eldrad is more likely

[green loom]

They're just there in self contained set pieces

[crisp heath]

"Everything is canon. Not everything is true." That is what GW said and until they EXPLICITY Contradict the games it is canon until proven otherwise.

[green loom]

Yeah but they have no bearing on anything beyond the games

In darktide we're saving a singular planet

That was made up for Darktide

[crisp heath]

Trying to make the 40K universe progressive ...oh yea GL with that.

[green loom]

In SM2 you're saving some 2, also made up for SM2

[arctic talon]

Gulliman and Eldrad are both too xenophobic heh

[green loom]

There's a few gay couples scattered around

[crisp heath]

Are any of them not part of slanessh or asociated with the actions of Slaneesh.

[arctic talon]

Most of them

[green loom]

Most of them aren't

I think all of them

[arctic talon]

Most slaaneshi stuff doesn’t focus on humans

It’s mostly marines

Bile and Eidolon’s group mostly

[green loom]

Slaanesh is more "Eyes Wide Shut"/"Operation Overlord" than "Imagine me & you"

[crisp heath]

I am not saying I am against progressive stuff in games I just don't think that would work with the 40k universe it would clash too much.

[storm jungle]

Agenda?

[forest orbit]

👀

[crisp heath]

Sorry as an autisitc person I am not good with words.

I am pro LGBT+

[arctic talon]

Actually I think bile got kicked out of the Phoenix conclave lol

Yeah nvm he did lol

After the stunt he pulled during the War of the spider

[green loom]

GW are pretty heavy handed when it comes to things like this

Though random gay people aren't exactly an agenda so I'd watch my wording

[crisp heath]

SOrry I did not mean it that way.

[green loom]

Yeah yeah

Unlike some people we won't lynch you for a misunderstanding

[crisp heath]

Yea I mean they did recton Illsarian...

Which I wish they did not.

[green loom]

The half eldar?

He's back, sort of

Just a normal eldar though

[arctic talon]

Guilliman trying to convince his advisors it’s okay to keep him around

[crisp heath]

Which I think makes little sense considering Illsarian being half eldar fits the ultasmruf agenda of working with the eldar and tau.

[urban spire]

gays have been in 40k for a long time

[crisp heath]

I mean I did know there was a sort of Pucci/Dio thing going on with Grayfax and celsetine.

[urban spire]

a hwhat

[green loom]

They don't really work with the eldar

Or the tau

The Ynnari helped revive guilliman because it served their interest

The Tau are basically cut off from the Imperium proper and also have their own problems

[urban spire]

i mean some people in 40k are gay and nobody cares, it's not good or bad or related to slaanesh or anything, it's just the way it is

[crisp heath]

Pucci was a basiclaly a preeacher who saw a vampire named Dio a powerful vampire this is in jojo btw its implied that the devotion strayed into love but it was never actually confirmed.

[urban spire]

yeah i read stone ocean

[keen stratus]

YOU FORGOT THE Q, CANCEL HIM /j

[crisp heath]

I know grayfax has that sort of reolationship with a Living saint but....

[urban spire]

i just wasn't expecting the reference

[green loom]

They're leaning really hard into it now

Rath had his fun in the newest books

Why yes Greyfax, it is entirely normal to be enchanted by the beauty of this woman you definitely hate, before charging into literal death to save her

[crisp heath]

Also I think they confirmed living saints are andrgonoous....

[green loom]

Living Saints can be male or female

[keen stratus]

theres a contests in an idie publisher that gifts steam keys, i gotta write a horror story, im thinking in doing something with slaanesh, later i publish it here when i do it

[green loom]

Or anything really

[keen stratus]

or in books

[green loom]

It more has to do with random miracles that the ecclesiarchy pull now and then

[urban spire]

idk if you know how much of a lesbian fiction meme this is lmao

[green loom]

I don't but it's pretty on the nose

[crisp heath]

Yea I dont if it is confirmed if Celstine reutrns the feelings.

[green loom]

Apparently the book has a line that straight up goes

"Abaddon would not kill Celestine, Celestine was Hers"

[urban spire]

kinda queer baity

[green loom]

The audio drama they share also has them being very "playful" with eachother

[crisp heath]

Is'nt the q word kind of offensive.

[green loom]

Queer isn't afaik

[urban spire]

it's reclaimed

the word queer is a bit more inclusive than lgbt+ simply because you don't have to keep adding letters

[crisp heath]

And even though I know it has more menaings than a slur I dont like it when people use the r-Word aorund me I mean this forum even bans that word.

[urban spire]

any marginalized gender and sexuality can comfortably fit into queer

well the r slur isn't reclaimed at all

[crisp heath]

That is what I meant by Dio/Pucci relatioship it could easily be passed off as just her being very devoted relgiously.

[urban spire]

well i think the main difference here is that unlike dio/pucci, celestine isn't dead

well

mostly not dead

the relationship can still evolve, is what i'm saying

[crisp heath]

Yea but I think its a one sides romance ...I dont think Celestine feels the same way granted my 40K experianc mainly stems from Video games and memes so

[urban spire]

i don't think it should stay one-sided personally

[crisp heath]

I agree .

[urban spire]

i haven't actually consumed any media with the both of them in it though

[green loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKm0EVjcw4A&ab_channel=Emwattnot

[urban spire]

i'm just sick of queer baiting

[green loom]

It would be cool

[near wasp]

I honestly just dont care about romance in 40k.

[crisp heath]

You know the more I think about it the more it kind of works.

[green loom]

They've spoken like

Once

And Guilliman is still racist super caesar

[crisp heath]

Actually The Smurfs are probally the most likley to work with Eldar at least than other Space marines.

[green loom]

They're all about as likely to work with Eldar as the ultras

Doesn't mean they'll like it

Or do it lightly

[crisp heath]

The Second would be the Blood Ravens Gabe does not trust the Eldar but he respects them.

[keen stratus]

whos the goth girl?

[green loom]

Yvraine

[crisp heath]

Yvraine a Eldar/ Former Dark Eldar. ..who brought Bobby G back to life the first time.

[green loom]

Another day, another case of Visarch erasure

[urban spire]

the eldar don't particularly trust space marines

wonder if there's some reason for that

[near wasp]

Greyknight honestly might be the most likely marines to work with elder

[urban spire]

oh well guess we'll never know

[green loom]

Remember to appreciate the one sane Eldar

[crisp heath]

The Space marines dont trust the Eldar either they will however work together against a common foe ro to serve a common interest.

[normal light]

I propose to kill xenos

[urban spire]

destroy the god emperor and topple his throne

[normal light]

In progress

[dusk patrol]

Pretty sure the cat isn’t an Eldar smh

[crisp heath]

Yoz Gonna pay for what yer did to ol bale eye WAGGGGGGHHHHH!

[normal light]

Wait what?

I think you miss identified me with someone else

[crisp heath]

On no I know you gits did it tell that git Angron that Warboss Gazgul gonna have a word with 'im.

[normal light]

I am not surviving under the rule of bloodthirsty daemonic filth

[crisp heath]

IB4 the Dark Imperium gets swarmed by these guys https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Hive_Fleet_Kronos

[normal light]

Dark Imperium either false to Chaos or being swarmed by nids

But Ultimatley i think Chaos wins , becasue how would you out produce Daemons?

[crisp heath]

You under estimate HFK....when HFK shows up they bring a null field with them ..whihc means chaos two biggest advantgaes magic and daemons are nulfied.

[normal light]

Well okay

[near wasp]

Eventually if you kill enough daemons fast enough they will be on respawn timers xD

[normal light]

How do you bring HFC into Warp?

IF IT IS MAGIC

[crisp heath]

Also The Dark imeprium has mroe than enoiugh human chaos followers for HFC to keep going.

Remeber when the great Rift was formed it literaly caused the nid hivemind to have a ministroke this meant chaos was no longer just competion for biomass they were a legit threat.

[rose thorn]

the they them eldar

[crisp heath]

Basiclaly chaos took a baseball bat to a nest of hornets. now their ass is gonna get stung.

[rose thorn]

I love this mofo ass eldar so much they are so hot

[crisp heath]

Not only that the Orks see the rift as literally the "Grin of Gork" and now are happoly flyuing there en mass looking to krump some spiky gits.

I mean look at the battle of Baal.

Both loyalist and traitor legions were forced to fight side by side when the Nids shwoed up.

[normal light]

I would look at Death Guard and Ultramarines fighting side by side

[crisp heath]

Actually it was blood Angels and Blood Legion

[dusk patrol]

Thats uh

An interesting way to say that happened

More like “they fucked up Ka’Bandhas entry and he got stuck on the moon fighting Nids”

[crisp heath]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5CjmHLUQQI

[dusk patrol]

Ka’Bandha can’t ever catch a break man

[crisp heath]

Is he sitll on there.

[crisp heath]

Dante cant either I mean the poor SOB just wants to die but he cant since he is now leader o fhte Blood Angels.

[dusk patrol]

Nah he ran out of juice shortly after

Takes a lot to let him cross over and he got denied the chance to fuck up the BA which probably would have sustained him

[patent bay]

Are their any books that mainly surround Malcador?

IE me

[hasty coral]

Is Gulliman actively explaining to people that the Emperor isn’t a god and hated religion?

[green loom]

No

He was pissing on this one cardinal for a while but between seeing some weird miracles going on and deciding it's too much trouble to bother he's just canned it iirc

[crisp heath]

You know what is funny.

THe Imperiyum actulaly has the prfect soldier for taking back the Dark Imperium.

[green loom]

Whomst

[green loom]

These guys are far from perfect but Nihilus is strapped for manpower iirc

[crisp heath]

Exactly Nililus needs numbers and not just any numbers numbers who will not flee or fall prey to chos corruption .....Enter Krieg.

[green loom]

Neither of those things are true

[crisp heath]

How muhc do you know about the Death Korps.

[green loom]

I'd say more than average

I'd read the Krieg novel but apparently it's pretty mid

[crisp heath]

1. Keirgsmen is the only imperial regiment that uses cloning to replenish their numbers 2. They believe they are already dammed and the only way to earn redemption in the eyes of the emperor is a worthy death as such they would be immune to the normal temptations chaos employs.

[arctic talon]

Krieg can most certianly flee, they still have a breaking point like any soldier

[crisp heath]

Then let us tallk about Hive Fleet Kronus.

[arctic talon]

The fact they're specalized for killing Daemons?

or the fact that they've time traveled before

[crisp heath]

How the fact that so far every encoutner between them and chaos ended with a Nid W.

[arctic talon]

what about it

they're purpose made to kill daemons

and they go after Daemons and chaos corrupted worlds

[green loom]

Aren't they caught in a weird time loop

[crisp heath]

Chaos in general these guy are basiclaly to push the chaos back to the eye ot terror.

[arctic talon]

Thats oroborus

very subtle from GW I know

[green loom]

Classic geedubz move

[crisp heath]

Yea the last Kronus Campagin was the Cutting The Signal where the nids pissed in the Night Lords Ceral.

Basiclay they busted up a Night Lord run scam and stole their astropath flavored Jawbreakers.

And yes that was an ed edd n eddy reff.

[radiant lance]

I'm fairly sure Ed is stronger than the emperor

[green loom]

Am I?

[versed ledge]

Aren't they soulless test tube babies though?

[crisp heath]

All in the span of M42 Kronuts; smashed though a Despioler class lead Chaos warfleet, kicked the demons off of Shadowbrink, and foiled the night lord honeypot scam mentioend eariler ...and sti ll had time to stop for lunch.

[versed ledge]

Thought they'd be conditioned to not fear death

[storm jungle]

They are still human

[arctic talon]

^

[storm jungle]

the killteam trailer literally shows them being afraid

[green loom]

And talking like Americans

[jade holly]

Well I found my new favorite theme in this game

[storm jungle]

They arent test-tube babes, basically Krieg parents donate their genetic material to a vitae bomb and it poops out more Kriegers, they all pretty much look unique

[jade holly]

Rejects Unite I think it’s called

[crisp heath]

Well they do fear they fear disapointed the emepeorr and their sons hence why they wwill happily throw themselves into chaos.

[storm jungle]

No literal fear

not talking about the emperor here

[urban spire]

VITAE BOMB

[green loom]

They have a normal fear of death

Arguably it could be even worse than usual in their case

[storm jungle]

AAA

[green loom]

Since they're obsessed with making it worth it

[urban spire]

RUN

[radiant lance]

Dying is known to be really bad for you

[storm jungle]

finally

someone that makes sense

[jade holly]

Dying is the leading cause of death after all

[arctic talon]

yeah one of them panics when the Kommando Boss charges at them lol

[green loom]

So General Cobblepot Kinblederry ordering them to walk into machine gun fire may not go over well with them

[crisp heath]

Exactly they do care about dying they want to die in serivce of their emperor .

And when I mean servicd I mean fighting the most hated foes of the Imperium.

[green loom]

There's a reason one if their more popular battles is doing nothing and just shelling a hive city

[radiant lance]

Like pineapple on pizza

[jade holly]

Sounds like normal trench warfare to me, charging over No Man’s Land was almost always a death sentence

makes sense they’d be hesitant to run into enemy fire

[green loom]

Yeah and DK don't do wastefulness, if they don't win they'll throw a hissy fit lol

[crisp heath]

Actualy General cobblepot is more likley trying to keep them from Leeroying into the chaos tank line with nothing but shovels.

[jade holly]

A shovel that has tasted the blood of daemons

And buddy

It’s starving

[green loom]

His dispatched commissars were probably gunned down by fleeing Kriegers after they get ordered to charge the tanks

[crisp heath]

Exactly the Comisars of the Death Krops most of the time are there to keep the Kreigers from charging the enemy and kiling thsemvles needlessly

[green loom]

No you misread

The death korps kill them

Because they're running the hell away and the commissars are trying to stop them from running away

[jade holly]

POV: you got promoted to Commissar, but it’s for the Kriegers

[green loom]

Because the death korps can still be routed

And they have been before

[urban spire]

anyway it's never made explicit what exactly a vitae womb is

at least afaik

[storm jungle]

yeah its not

[crisp heath]

I saw a video wher a kreiger implated himself on the chainsword of a worldeater just so he could pull the pin on the krak gernade he was carying. and make sure theheretics was dead ...ofc said krieger was covering a badly injured sally so.

[urban spire]

but the inquisition has had a look and they didn't shut the operation down so it's not that bad

[green loom]

The Sodaz anim? That's fanmade

Imperial armour has two groups of DK run the hell away and frag their commissars after a battle goes less than well

[crisp heath]

I mean LBH the Imperium shoudl focus on evacing the remaining loyalist worlds in the Dominus system and just let the Nids and choas fight it out.

[urban spire]

krieg mass produces ptsd mainly

[green loom]

Well there's about

Half a galaxy of front that'd be without cover

Meaning in most cases they wouldn't fight each other

[crisp heath]

Actually I disage the whole reason The Nids showed up was becuase the warp was expanding way too quickly.

I mean hell the rift caused the hivemind to lierally have a ministroke.

[green loom]

No they showed up because someone detonated the Pharos back in the heresy

[crisp heath]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Hive_Fleet_Kronos

That mentioins ntohing aboiut Pharos.

[versed ledge]

So artificial womb and fertilization then

[green loom]

This is a singular hive fleet, built to fight chaos

[crisp heath]

Kronos doesn't actually do much in lore though, it basically just exists to give tyranid players an anti-chaos option on the tabletop

[crisp heath]

And considering their first 3 missiuons were all Ws doing a dam good job.

There are minor fleets that were created and destroyed for one altercation that have more lore

[arctic talon]

anti psyker akshully 🤓 they had no anti daemon specific rules on the tabletop

[crisp heath]

A lot of chaos fanboys on this discord....

[arctic talon]

for one

I don't own a single chaos army

🤓

I own like 2 imperial ones lol

[crisp heath]

Chaos and Tyranids don't really compete much lore-wise and I don't think they should tbh

[arctic talon]

yeah

[crisp heath]

When I played table top I only owned necrons.

[arctic talon]

[green loom]

Chaos isn't food, it at most threatens their food

[crisp heath]

Chaos is a mild inconvenience in the real war between Tyranids and Necrons

They're just waiting for that whole "Imperium" phase to die down so they can have the real battle for the fate of the galaxy

[crisp heath]

Exaclty Chaos is not food its a thread that is why Kronos fights a lot diff from most nids also that only appliues to daemons the human worshipers of chaos are just a disgetbale as reg humans.

Beating chaos is easy for tyranids, just eat all the humans and elves and the chaos goes away, simple as

[crisp heath]

No this is more like the angery shotgun weilding farmers hunting the feral hogs so they wont eat their crops.

That's why Tyranids never do anything, it's absurdly easy for them to just win the setting so they mostly get ignored, sometimes nerfed by a deus ex machina

Every other faction is insignificant

Exacltry I mean look at Bhaal the Shadow of the Warp effect Tryanids have was completely thrown out the window.

[green loom]

Or someone inexplicably makes it, stealthily, past the fleet so thick with ships it's actually visible to the naked eye from millions of miles, and into the main hive ship, which they then proceed to detonate

[crisp heath]

Its hard to mkae lore for smei intelegent bugs Nids usualy show up when the writers need a break and an enemy just for the sake of an emny.

Alos is Octairus still around.

[green loom]

That got resolved, Nids won

[deft sigil]

so since the custodes know everything about the imperium do they still think the emperor is a god since he doesnt want them to think that?

[green loom]

In their own words
They're not sure

Pee the Greyfax/Celestine audiobook, the Custodes know there's a fine line between an extremely powerful psyker, and a warp deity
But they don't know where Emps would fall on that line

[deft sigil]

No like are they extremely religious like the rest of the imperium

[green loom]

No

They're fanatically devoted to Emps

But they aren't religious

[deft sigil]

Ah

So they won't exterminatus a world just because there's a few people on it that aren't religious to the emperor

[green loom]

Not their job, and also they don't really like the imperial Cult or the imperium in general

[deft sigil]

Ah good

Isn't it basically the same with most of the space marine chapters

[green loom]

Nah

Most of them, if not religious, practice some form of ancestor worship

[hasty coral]

What’s going on with the silent king is he like a good guy or another necron asshole

Like I know the backstory

[nocturne crest]

Is there anything that has been mentioned in the lore of the Iron Hands, Raven guard, Salamanders or White Scars that you would want a minature of?

[deft sigil]

What even happened to the two primarchs and legions that are redacted

Did they get hit by the retcon gun

[storm jungle]

No they are just unknown for the sake of mystery

[storm jungle]

Best to just read his lexipage

He has a lot of baggage

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Szarekh

[echo vault]

I'm shocked this and maybe araghast are one of the few CSM helmets more akin to the warriors of chaos of fantasy, i just expected the style to be used more

[crystal zealot]

Did Cadia have something of significance or was it just one of many?

[arctic talon]

It was the main fortress world guarding the eye of terror

[broken zealot]

GREATEST PLANET OUTSIDE OF HOLY TERRA

veteran voice

[odd palm]

Classic Cadian's presuming their world's importance above Mars

[wicked lion]

out of the 4 major chaos gods i think nurgle might actually be the most interesting

"All this must be accepted as the first lesson Nurgle teaches -- decay is inescapable, but also glorious. This knowledge is illuminating for those who follow Nurgle. If all things decay, each moment is a gift. Why not use these moments to shape what is to come and secure a place in it? Why sit idly by wallowing in pain and sorrow when there is so much to do and so little time in which to do it? As these thoughts race through the minds of the newly converted, it dawns on them -- their pain is deadened. Even with so many new afflictions, so much rancid corruption of the flesh, the suffering has abated. Hope arrives."

quote, the warhammer wikipedia

[vast heart]

Him and Tzeentch are the only ones that make sense as proper gods tbh. Their aesthetic and personality and the way they tie into the nature of the universe both good and bad and try to be catalysts of the opposite

Khorne and Slaanesh seem much more clumsy and aren't as well personified in comparison and I'd kinda wish they'd made both of them "young" chaos gods and had khorne be a little more obssessed with honour, being strong and being dedicated to your duty, which would put him at odds with Slaanesh's "Fuck around do whatever you want" routine

[wicked lion]

I mean I think that’s supposed to be his thing but

Ya know

Skull throne

[queen laurel]

his entire existence is just to make people go ape shit

[vast heart]

Yeah I think they go too hard on just making Khorne the Hulk and it removes a lot of the nuance he could have

[queen laurel]

Melee combat straight mano to mano

[queen laurel]

yeah it could have been fun if he actually could have been more understandable and not just bubbling in the mouth with rabies every 5 seconds

[wicked lion]

Keep the world eaters how they are tho

I’m totally cool with just having space marines who are just really fucking pissed all the time

Slaanesh is a younger chaos god to be fair

But the DAMN KNIFE EARS

Had to go and murderfuck a god into existence

Stupid elves

But it’s possible that Khorn is a product of his worshippers to some extent

[vast heart]

See I'd really like if Khorne was newer as well, because you could argue the extreme militarization of the imperium is what caused him to fully form and then you could argue the imperium has actually been passively fuelling khorne by being so obsessed with honour and duty and fighting

Like there'd be another catch 22 for the imperium where the more organized and powerful their formal military is: the more of a problem khorne is

[wicked lion]

But most of his devoted followers care less about honour and more about hitting the highest killstreak

So it’s possible that influenced the god

[queen laurel]

considering that violence is an old construct

[wicked lion]

As the chaos gods are at the end of the day embodiments of concepts in the material realm

[queen laurel]

it's really safe to say that he's not going to be a very young thing

Humanity has been waging wars and the war in heaven was a thing

[vast heart]

Like if you could mix in a tiny amount of like stormcast eternals in there khorne would feel right

Then you've got the DOOM daemons, the muscle daddy/berserkers and you could round out the range with like massive brass knight and juggernauts that are a little more stoic

[wicked lion]

There is more murder than there is honour so in general khorne is gonna get a power spike in that department

[vast heart]

Yeah but sex probably existed before slaanesh tho

Like the actual logic behind that is a lil shaky to begin with

[wicked lion]

You must remember slaanesh isnt sex

It’s excess

Excess of ANYTHING

Indulgence

Slaanesh almost represents the concept of sin

[queen laurel]

slannesh is not just sex

Like excess and perfectionist one of her things like for example

[wicked lion]

Lust is there yes

But also

Greed

Gluttony

Perfectionism

Etc etc

[vast heart]

And none of those things existed before the aeldar *rgy? really?

[queen laurel]

If you want a great body you might need to make a protein shake out of orphans and your family

[wicked lion]

They did, but not in enough excess to create Slaanesh

[vast heart]

Thats more my point, the idea these things didn't exist beforehand is kinda of ridiculous, slaanesh was formed by the concentration of those things and war has never crossed over with the warp as heavily as the Horus Heresy, you could argue the war on heaven but that largely didn't involve melee or the warp itself

[wicked lion]

He/it/she/they are a very complicated creature

Let me put it this way, someone who is asexual in every definition of the word could still be very easily tempted by Slaanesh

She will pick whatever it is you want the most

And give you enough to kill or at the very least incapacitate you

She will then drag your soul to her realm and torture you for eternity

[rose thorn]

Slaanesh represents the excess

[wicked lion]

With the very thing you wanted

[wicked lion]

Yes

Moderation is the way to defeat her

Unfortunately, the imperium doesn’t DO moderation

[queen laurel]

she will keep giving what you want to the point that you will want more of it, to the point that you think that if you can receive this much you can receive and have everything for yourself

Until you become the very personification of excessiveness itself

[wicked lion]

Yup, Slaanesh will corrupt you

out of the chaos gods she and nurgle are the most “corruptive”

People who follow tzeench or khorne usually don’t need a whole lot of convincing

It’s atleast somewhat voluntary, even if that’s because they don’t fully understand what they are getting into

Nurgle and Slaanesh will warp your state of mind so that it is no longer recognizable

[vast heart]

Guys I have also seen youtube shorts about slaanesh I know this stuff I'm trying to talk about how to make the lore better bc its pretty goofily written as is

[safe vigil]

Dumb question
Deldar still need to eat and drink right

[jade holly]

One seduces you, the other makes you feel like a part of a loving family

[wicked lion]

Yeah

[wicked lion]

Elder? Yeah probably but I think that the craftworlders just synthesize dat shit

The… is is drukhari? I think? Probably just eat people

And the harlequins eat whatever they can pillage

[arctic talon]

Craftworld Eldar just grow their own food, most of their houses have edible food inside, harlequins eat whatever the fuck is in the black library, Most druhkari commit cannibalism lol. Kabalites, Wych cult members and Haemonculi coven members get actual good food

[arctic talon]

Yes, and about as regularly as humans

[broken zealot]

can Eldar eat hamburgers?

[queen laurel]

shit they are probably serving something better than hamburgers

[jade holly]

They serving Hamwarmer

[arctic talon]

They can eat human food and vice versa so yes

Dark eldar seem to eat a ton of protein

Based on the few examples we have of them eating

[broken zealot]

by the gods

[jade holly]

Do I even wanna fucking ask?

[arctic talon]

its pretty tame

lots of sea food

only weird thing is the copius ammount of drugs and the Medusae "fruit"

[jade holly]

Dark Eldar not being the most fucked up things for once?

[arctic talon]

Medusae "fruit" are made out of the extracted souls of slaves lol

[jade holly]

Ah

There it is

Cannibalism with extra steps

[arctic talon]

Cannibalism is for the poor

its not cannibalism if its another species

[wicked lion]

Stupid dark eldar

[solid oyster]

How did humans turn into psykers or ogryns ? Pretty sure zealots and veterans are human

[celest dome]

Warp influence and high gravity world respectively

[solid oyster]

Oh

Are zealots humans ?

[arctic talon]

Yes just a very religous midly insane one

[solid oyster]

Lol

[queen laurel]

psykers are born with that power, ogryns are abhumans, basically human mutants but allowed in the imperium, an abhuman is a mutant that mutated or physically adapted to their specific world, ogryns live in high gravity worlds where intelligence is not really that popular considering that you can die to the local predators so they evolved to be bigger and a lot stronger to compensate, this is another abhuman called a Ratling they are known to be amazing snipers, It is said that Ratling marksmen can take the head off a Heretic from over a kilometre away, but they have their own habits that are quite hard to deal with

[crisp heath]

And fenalids were born in a place that was isekied for a few seconds due to warp fuckery.

[desert dust]

I thought it was the planetary govnor having a genetic engineering facility and a massive furry fetish

[celest dome]

We don't know. Felinid are a throw away line

It's possible they are like the Fenrisians. Where its a planet with a Warp Genius Loci

[urban spire]

well there's beastmen

[coarse pumice]

Craftworlds are entirely self sufficient space faring worlds with access to warpgates to teleport around the galaxy. The static territories they protect though are the maiden worlds, bountiful garden planets tended by their country-mouse brethren, the exodites.

The CWE defend them viciously, destroying any imperial or ork or whatnot threats that get close.
They might say "well they'll be staging worlds for rebooting the old Empire", but y'know the CWE's just stay on their craftworlds. So why?

'Cause they produce meat, big juicy pieces of gigantosaurus meat. That's the only thing Craftworlders get from the exodites. They don't need raw materials, they don't recruit the natives, they don't build vacation homes, they get meat. This is the only thing ever mentioned in canon fluff.

Eating steaks is the primary motivation for the CWE to fight. If they ran away and abandoned the exodites, they wouldn't have any steaks and would be eating cup noodles for the rest of eternity.

So remember, the next time an ork waaagh is manipulated to ravage the Imperium rather than get to an exodite ranch world, those 100 billion guardsmen died so Eldrad could have his steak dinner.

[inland sigil]

Just wanna put it out there because no one seems to understand the lore anymore:

Konrad Kurze did nothing wrong.

Its time to accept it folks.

[celest dome]

The Emperor, and anything with it's genes have never done anything right

[inland sigil]

Except Konrad

The heresy is all the emperors fault.

[celest dome]

Konrad did nothing right even before being found by the Emp

[storm jungle]

Depends, are religious people humans?

[queen laurel]

looks of the imperium

how much does genocide qualify for a human quality

[storm jungle]

💀

[queen laurel]

oh hey Dilara

i need your help a bit here

i want to make a rogue trader

Which is already a dangerous path to walk because I can make something very dangerous and very cringe

[near wasp]

[queen laurel]

so i want you to verify if these traits can pass

[celest dome]

Rpg ?

Or just writing

[queen laurel]

just a general character basically, too poor for the RPG

Basically saying I don't have it

[storm jungle]

Its not that hard to know when your RT is cringe

I had people that had a RG who had a gloriana class ship lol

aka ones fucking primarchs use

[celest dome]

Most of the Rpg materials are old enough that you can find them online

[queen laurel]

I mean what's the biggest ship they're allowed to ride anyway

a firestorm class like the Mourning star?

[storm jungle]

nah

[celest dome]

In theory any, in practice mid to small

[storm jungle]

bigger ones work

up to Grand Cruisers or Battlecruisers