40k-lore-chat

[jade holly]

Ghost Division in 40k

Only goal on tabletop: RUSH THE ENEMY BASE

[storm jungle]

Im sure its doable

[jade holly]

All tanks and then a Commissar to be Erwin Rommel

Before you ask no

[brisk vine]

I was gonna say

[jade holly]

He was Wermacht

not the other one

[brisk vine]

Sounds like the Armageddon Steel Legion

[queen laurel]

They favor mechanized infantry which means that they still don't really use tanks as much''

[brisk vine]

I have a lot of things to say on the matter of him being overhyped, but that doesn't belong here

[jade holly]

Compared to what is referenced in history in 40k, my idea is tame, VERY tame

[brisk vine]

They still have tank companies iirc

[pure grail]

what tf is up with the psycher just casually talking to the God emperor

(This is my first view into 40k)

[queen laurel]

Yeah but their main tactics are still deploying infantry directly into the enemy lines by using lot of transports

[queen laurel]

It's widely believed that it's just a demon pretending to be the emperor

[pure grail]

Nice lol

[queen laurel]

Considering that his entire personality is collapsing and he is getting fragmented

The emperor for wouldn't have time to talk to such lowly rejects

[jade holly]

So they just dump units onto their units and say “good luck”?

[brisk vine]

or maybe it really is the emperor

and we just don't know any better

[pure grail]

Prob slanesh or something
The "beloved" language is my only real evidence

[brisk vine]

Welcome to the guard

[jade holly]

Hell yeah

[queen laurel]

it's blitzkrieg my guy it's blitzkrieg

[jade holly]

My favorite kind of Krieg

man I’m only now realizing jsut how much of Germany is in the Imperium, Germany and Italy

[pure grail]

Also with what I've heard about the God emperor he would probably be trying to convince them to stop worshipping him

[jade holly]

From Rome to the Holy Roman Empire to WW1 Germany to WW2

[queen laurel]

Again the emperor is a God like a being it's probably either just a Shard of him or just again like I said a demon pretending to be him''

[brisk vine]

I'm pretty sure one of the psykers brings up that fact

and the Imperial Truth

[queen laurel]

Yes he does not like being worshipped as a God but you know he is already fragmented as ****

[jade holly]

Lorgar learned the hard way

[queen laurel]

pieces of him are just floating around the warp

[queen laurel]

that was straight up an emperor moment

[jade holly]

But I find it hilarious, the one dictator who didn’t want to be seen as a god

[brisk vine]

Totalitarian regime looks like other totalitarian regimes

[jade holly]

Rome and the HRE were much more than just “totalitarian regimes”

Ever heard of the monicker MR E?

[brisk vine]

Nah, that's the second and eleventh legions

[jade holly]

Monarchy, Republic, Empire, the states of rule Rome had over its lifetime

[brisk vine]

We don't need to get condescending when we're about to broach the farcical nature of the reasoning behind the Roman Senate being molified by the Principate.

[jade holly]

You talking about me?

[brisk vine]

Yes

[jade holly]

Cause I wasn’t being condescending

Or at least trying not to be

I was just a stating a fact regarding Rome’s evolution over time

[brisk vine]

And the Imperium went from a thinly veiled autocracy to a plutocracy

[vast heart]

Yay we're shit talking alpha legion lore finally

Its so bad holy

The entire thing is just a bad shitpost except the alpharius book

[celest furnace]

So ive been rexploring back into 40k, and the battle of the iron cage was something I always thought was cool do youall know which book it is that goes over these events?

[vast heart]

Also Alpha Legion are literally a traitor legion and there's no non brainrot interpretation where they're loyalists

Oh yeah man; they fractured into hundreds or warbands and no one has a fucking clue where omegon is and they have no central leadership and half of them are literally hiding in the warp and they've been acting on behalf of chaos for thousands of years but yeah man they're totally playing the long game bc of a prophecy that literally doesn't make any sense in the first place give me a fucking break

All my homies hate alpha legion

[arctic talon]

There isn’t a book about it

It’s just codex lore

[celest furnace]

damn....

it sounds so dope too

[arctic talon]

welcome to the club

That almost every other faction lives in

GW most likely isn’t going to cover it either since they aren’t doing a series on the scouring

[versed ledge]

I'm loving the psyker daggers

I get to play out my favorite wushu films in 40k

[rose oak]

funny thing is, making themselves all look like their primarchs and following the whims of a super morally grey Xenos cult. then not quite knowing where their loyalties lie is a real source of confusion for us observing the lore.

[vast heart]

Yeah honestly I don't buy the whole "We have no idea where their loyalties lie" that's just the writers smelling their own farts and pretending to be clever by making everything Shrodinger's lore

It's like when they write a "smart" character but the character is just a condescending douche who magically knows everything, it just feels unsatisfying bc literally none of the groundwork was laid for any of the info they have so you just feel blindsided without a chance to guess anything as the audience

[rose oak]

I think somebody just had fun trying to wind up the community. while not really knowing themselves.

[vast heart]

Yeah a lot of Alpha Legion lore comes across that way, which I wouldn't mind if they actually planned it out or did something truly clever with it (which I will admit, Alpharius' primarch book actually did do in a couple of areas) but lore of that type shouldn't be frustrating and go way beyond what you can rely on suspension of disbelief for, Alpha legion lore demands Inception level scriptwriting and rarely gets more than sunday cartoon-tier

[rose oak]

ehh... Omegon will re-enter the story eventually. there's sh'tty theories like him being Cypher I can't believe. but I imagine he's up to something big brain and loyalist in the current setting.

I'd love to see a little more loyalist alpha legion, if they can iron out the lore nightmare that encompasses all of the legion.

[storm jungle]

Yeah basically this

the recent lore wants to make it seem like theres loyalist Alpha Legion cells but Alphas have been Traitors for almost 20 years in the general narrative and stories involving them, its just AL fans huffing copium and thinking their legion is deep when that has never been really the case 💀

[rose thorn]

Alpha legion is the funny, I like to think that Alphariousomegon just wants to prove he/they are smarter then everyone else. No real loyalty only pride.

[storm jungle]

[rose thorn]

Note I haven’t read any of the alpha legion books so

[urban spire]

this is the correct course of action

do not engage with 30k or space marines in general

[jade holly]

How bout the Astra Militarum

[green loom]

They're 40k, so free game

[jade holly]

Time to make an Oops! All tanks army

[median marsh]

Oops, all ogryns

Vehicles are just several ogryns pretending to be tanks

[hasty coral]

What are slab shields made out of?

How durable are they?

[celest dome]

Slab of steels

[hasty coral]

How actually effective would they be against a daemon?

[celest dome]

Well depend on the Daemon

[hasty coral]

In game level

[celest dome]

Like a lesser Daemon, it would probably be quite good, but it still would break after a while

[hasty coral]

The daemon host

[celest dome]

Against a Greater one, i wouldn't do anything

[celest dome]

The Slab shield in game get infinite resist, cause it's one of the only thing it can do

[hasty coral]

Could be a higher quality slab shields

Inquistorial specialist Ogryns are a cursed statement

If they are special strike forces giving them enhanced slab shields would be beneficial

Extra special meatwalls

[rose thorn]

Could the imperium like, hack wraithguards?

I know they are powered by a soul stone

But like how much of it can a bunch of hereteks hijack

[hasty coral]

Theoretically yes

[green loom]

Probably Psyker territory

[hasty coral]

It wouldn't be easy

Somewhat psychic yeah

But IF they would actually tamper with xeno tech

Possibly

[green loom]

I mean because Wraithbone isn't techy

Their bs is mostly just psyker stuffs

[celest dome]

Possibly, but it think that's just game sense and not lore sense

[queen laurel]

Yeah you sing Engelbert Humperdinck's man without love you can make a bone sword that can kill people

The alien that is the easiest to salvage and to be used by the imperium is no surprise the orks

Their tech is just you know mostly missing a lot of pieces

Just fill in those missing pieces and you're good to go

[hasty coral]

Well it’s canon we get inquisitor grade armaments and they are tinkered with by inquisitor mechanicus

It IS gameplay

But it is mentioned serval times in actual dialogue

[median marsh]

your gear mostly comes scavenged from the field

theres an entire cutscene about it

[celest dome]

Yeah, we're not getting the shiny shiny stuff

Slab shield are just Carapace shield that are Ogryn grade

[queen laurel]

Yeah the special weapons that we use are just better reconditioned than most

[hasty coral]

Veteran says something about how the mechanics Hadron freaks him out but likes how she can make weapons sing

[queen laurel]

It just means that they can make the weapons work well

After being recovered from the field

[median marsh]

to an Adeptus Mechanicus a weapons is more than just a gun

its a holy tool of the omnissiah

[queen laurel]

Yeah shame the omnissiah doesn't give my ripper the ability to open cans even though that's the one thing i want

[median marsh]

we know she gets hissy with our pilot because Masozi does her own maintenance

[queen laurel]

How many materials do you want you mechanical piece of s***

[median marsh]

[hasty coral]

Could a strike team take on a greater daemon?

[queen laurel]

She also tells morrow to tell his operatives to be careful with the weapon

[hasty coral]

Higher level one

Yes gameplay wise they probably could

Lore wise

[queen laurel]

Brother a bloodthirster can level an entire town with a single slash

[median marsh]

lorewise absolutely not

[queen laurel]

Even 4 gameplay we would have to pull in some serious bullshit for us to pull through

[median marsh]

stuff like plaguebearers we could take on

a Great Unclean One would laugh and give us a hug

[queen laurel]

And that hug wull proceed to melt us into nothing but bones

[hasty coral]

This seems inconsistent at best with literally any other lore

Still true

Probably

But the lore ranges from normal warfare to anime level bullshit

[near wasp]

The power of greater daemons is inconsistent. Largely depends of the tides of the sea of souls (aka writing)

[median marsh]

I don't remember bloodthirsters leveling towns with a single hit but they can murder the living hell out of most things with ease

[queen laurel]

skarbrand when he tried to backstab khorne decided to hit him with enough force to destroy a planet, yeah he is an exalted one, but i am not kidding a bloodthirster can literally just win their weapon and the entire strike team is just dead

The great unclean one can eat so much damage that you may as well give up and each time you damage them the more diseases they release

Lords of change are lords of change

[median marsh]

For most part, if a Greater Daemon is present at all that means shits fucked bad as summoning them is an insane effort

Let alone maintaining said presence

[hasty coral]

I’d still say skarbrand is significantly more powerful than regular blood thirsters

[celest dome]

Not really

[celest dome]

No

[near wasp]

As a strike team, lesser daemons and monstrositys are mainly it. Maybe a daemon engine if we wanted to push it

[hasty coral]

I don’t think CITY LEVEL is lore reasonable, that seems wild even for 40k

[celest dome]

Lesser Daemons are right in the spot for uber Elites

Like the Ogryns

[queen laurel]

A greater demon means that the planet is already corrupted enough that the power of the warp is literally leaking in

[near wasp]

Its bad but not that bad, yet

[hasty coral]

Things that appear in normal warfare generally are nuts but still grounded

[celest dome]

Greater Daemon are possibly here with the Daemonhosts, they do sport horns that are reminecent of GUO

[queen laurel]

Yeah it's just going to get worse

[near wasp]

Id love to see nurgling as a horde enemy as the situation gets worse

[queen laurel]

On tertium?

With our current forces i don't think we would be lasting long

[celest dome]

I'm saying the Daemonhost, they might be possessed/puppeted by GUO

[near wasp]

I think more plague bearers

[hasty coral]

Commanded by? Almost certainly

[celest dome]

Where Plaguebearers have horse that are quite different

[hasty coral]

That’s how the chain of command works

[queen laurel]

Oh I see it

[celest dome]

Nurgling are way to small to be a normal enemy, I think they would work wonder for objectives and such things

[celest dome]

It's not something that I would say is confirmed, but it's not impossible

[near wasp]

In warhammer 3 they group together to make blobs, could do something similar

[hasty coral]

Plague marines are definitely on our level though

Ex: Ogryn spine annihilator

[celest dome]

That work on low animation/smaller models it's usually jaring when done to bigger ones

[green loom]

Ok so get this

Tiny enemies that are a pain in the ass to hit

Are unfun

😲

[hasty coral]

Could just make a bit of a janky hitbox?

Easier to hit?

[green loom]

Yeah that works so well with the pox hounds

[hasty coral]

But together not great

[hasty coral]

Bark = dodge

[celest dome]

Plague Marine, though they won't happen here, purely cause design and logic aren't impossible to kill

[hasty coral]

Every time

[celest dome]

Slide under it

[hasty coral]

Heal from no spine

[green loom]

I can dodge them fine, their hitboxes are just janky and they're jittery

[hasty coral]

[hasty coral]

At least they aren’t gunners

No sound

Suppression

[near wasp]

Id just like more enemy types honestly.

[hasty coral]

Better elite indicators would be preferred

Pox hounds are good, flamethrowers too, trapper is eh

Vermintide just does elites WAY better

Like the mad laughing of a warp thrower and the hail of warpstone bullets

[celest dome]

I think we will get a new lord sooner than later

[green loom]

I can spot them just fine

[hasty coral]

Literally any dimly lit room with other enemies

GOOD LUCK

And you definitely don’t spot them before you get hit

[green loom]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-angry-gun-firing-gif-15986910

Answer to everything

[hasty coral]

Instructions unclear

Defense stanced slab shield

[queen laurel]

Scab gunners are easy to find because they they glow extremely bright green

[celest dome]

Still hoping we get the Slab rework tbh

[queen laurel]

Dreg gunners

That one is the piece of shit

[hasty coral]

Same model as normal gunners

Point still stands

It’s just both are priority

[queen laurel]

I was talking about which ones is easier to find

[celest dome]

That one is cause the Gunner is an elite and not a special anymore

[hasty coral]

Grenadiers are way too forgettable

[celest dome]

Look at the Flamer for example

[hasty coral]

Flamer is pretty ok

[celest dome]

"Want them cryspy ?"

[queen laurel]

You guys don't hear the gunner voice lines of them setting up and revving up the gun?

[hasty coral]

I prefer warp thrower because Skaven specials are just so great

[green loom]

I like renegade guard more just style wise

[queen laurel]

I prefer fighting the scab compared to the dregs to be honest

I don't know there's just something about them that's very fun to do

[celest dome]

I want there to be Khornate faction that has no Gunner or no Shooter
A Tzeentch one that get Psyker instead of Gunner
And a Slaanesh with Noise weaponry

[hasty coral]

Why IS it always nurgle

[green loom]

Nurgle has zombies

[queen laurel]

He's the perfect piece of shit for an enemy

You can go generic bad guy zombies or get super troops

[celest dome]

They know Nurgle and Nurgle is a good start

[hasty coral]

If they would let us carve up lesser daemons we wouldn't have this problem

[queen laurel]

Is basically rather funnily enough the most flexible in terms of ways of war in the four of the chaos god's

[hasty coral]

Chaos cultists

[queen laurel]

You can go psychic diseases

[hasty coral]

Daemonettes

[median marsh]

tbh Fatshark did nurgle a grand total of 2 times

[queen laurel]

Giant monsters that can eat people alive

It's actually kind of funny

[hasty coral]

How DO you counter the eating?

Just avoid melee?

[celest dome]

Even then i forget the Norscan are Nurgle typed more often than other

[median marsh]

it cant grab you if you dont get hit by vomit attack

if you mean Beast

[hasty coral]

JUST the vomit or do ALL slime trails count

[median marsh]

Chaos Spawn immediately drops you (without the eating animation) as long as there is anyone close to it

[queen laurel]

Are you telling me that bastard is marinating me with his own puke before eating me?

[median marsh]

yes

[queen laurel]

Son of a bitch

[median marsh]

delicious self soup

[hasty coral]

Again JUST the vomit or all slime trail debuffs?

[median marsh]

it puts an effect on your screen

[hasty coral]

Ok

[median marsh]

if theres no effect youre clear

[celest dome]

Mainly cause Nurgle get a lot of shine trough books, like Abnet would be able to make tide factions suitable for any of the Chaos God, heck I've though of a Khornate one before

[median marsh]

i kinda wish Beast had a grab attack where it just hugs you tight, dealing damage

new friend discovered, squeeze time

[queen laurel]

Yeah the beast of nurgle here doesn't seem the most playful

I don't see the playful part in

"I shall marinate you with my own puke and then vore you"

[median marsh]

storing you to play later

[versed ledge]

Think of it like a giant, playful, lovable, dog

It drools, it licks, and it sees anything small as food

[median marsh]

thinking about it, the beasts we face could also be in their depression state, when theyre close to turning into Rot Flies

so its way rougher

[hasty coral]

Especially for animals they probably like being Nurgle, remember Nurgle makes its champions feel more than healthy even if they don't look like it, an animal who doesn't understand chaos probably likes what is happening

Probably gets affection from other cultists

A loyal guard dog of nurgle? I'd pet it if I were a nurgle worshipper.

[median marsh]

a nurgle petting zoo

[hasty coral]

I mean again Nurgle is the "nicest" of the chaos gods

He sometimes actually cares for his followers

[urban spire]

nurgle is the god of giving up

[hasty coral]

And his blessings are ACTUALLY blessings

[hasty coral]

In a weirdly jolly way

Like letting go

I feel bad for Nurgle

[urban spire]

nurgle loves you but not in a healthy way

give up and embrace him or he will punish you

[hasty coral]

He is just life

But twisted

Except kinda not

Because he is actually following the circle of life

[green loom]

"jolly" is the wrong word

[hasty coral]

And promotes the most life possible

[green loom]

He's melancholy and apathy personified

[urban spire]

jolly is a word used to describe nurgle quite often

[hasty coral]

Yeah it is

He is jolly in a twisted way

Those who give up fighting like let go of their woes in his eyes

[urban spire]

he's like someone who complains jokingly about being friendzoned and secretly seethes about how everyone doesn't love him

[hasty coral]

And thus embrace the best style of life possible

[hasty coral]

I don’t think so

He doesn’t care if people don’t love him

Only that they eventually will succumb

And thus all things innately love him

Because of entropy

Remember he is easily the most primordial in aspect of the four

Entropy, decay, birth, life

Vs war and honor, Knowledge and scheming, and Indulgence

It’s why I feel bad for him he is the most twisted

He legitimately believes he is doing the right thing

The others are more self serving, in that they believe they are the only truth

While Nurgle just wants everything to become beautiful through his twisted “gifts”

[green loom]

Honor

They're all self serving

[hasty coral]

Yes absoutely

[celest dome]

Those are not in lore anymore

[hasty coral]

Oh for fuck sakes seriously?

[celest dome]

The chaos gods don't have beneficial aspects atm

[hasty coral]

Wow

Nevermind

I hate this franchise

What intelligent writers

Take out ALL THE NUANCE of the big bads

[green loom]

I mean it was hardly better in fantasy where their entire point was to destroy the world

This has been the case for literal decades

[hasty coral]

Yeah but it was still INTERESTING

Now they aren’t

[urban spire]

they havent been mentioned in a while but they havent been removed from the lore

not actively redacted

[hasty coral]

Just normal le evil demons

[green loom]

It was never the case for 40k

And I mean

[hasty coral]

Lore channels have said they had beneficial aspects

[urban spire]

it is

[hasty coral]

I swear on my life

[green loom]

It's hard to be the God of Honor when your mortal champion is straight up titled "The Betrayer"

[hasty coral]

It is NOT just me

[urban spire]

the ffg rpg book black crusade mentions it

[green loom]

Lore channels wrong?? Many such cases

[urban spire]

so even if it wasn't canon in 40k before it is now

[hasty coral]

Ok so it DID exist

[green loom]

It's not the case ATM at the very least

[hasty coral]

This did not just come out of no where

[green loom]

It's an active part of their fantasy personas though iirc

[hasty coral]

IE: Games Workshop ruins the setting again

[urban spire]

40k lore is all canon, including explicit contradictions

[celest dome]

they have

[urban spire]

it's all more or less opt in, opt out

[hasty coral]

We lost Astartes for this

[green loom]

[hasty coral]

It’s joever

[celest dome]

They have said that there is no "good" daemons

[green loom]

Doesn't their rulebook start with

[hasty coral]

They were never good

[urban spire]

idk why i wrote that twice

[green loom]

"these are literally the worst things in the galaxy lmao have fun"

[hasty coral]

Hell they are conceptual entities so morals don’t even apply

[urban spire]

tzeentch will always be the god of hope

[hasty coral]

And if someone tells me the chaos gods aren’t conceptual anymore I will freak the fuck out

[urban spire]

they can't take this from me

[hasty coral]

THAT I have never heard of

Unbiased change?

Sure

[green loom]

Ok what have you heard lmao

I think it's interpreted as hope for change

A better tomorrow etc.

[urban spire]

hope is the desire for change

[hasty coral]

Khrone is violence and honor, Nurgle is entropy and life, Tzeenetch is change, knowledge and scheming, Slaneesh is overindulgence

That’s what several sources I have read and watched have said

So don’t look at me

This is not some fringe idea

[green loom]

Khorne is just blood, Nurgle is just disease, Tzeentch is change(more accurately schemeing with his followers) and Slaanesh is just excess

Everything else is just crap that falls under the umbrella

[hasty coral]

How the fuck does entropy and apathy fall under DISEASE?

How does undying followers fall under DISEASE?

[urban spire]

there is more ideology on display in the nurgle faction IN THIS GAME

than just disease

[green loom]

Yeah the nuance has always been in their followers lmao

How they see their savior

[hasty coral]

Your gonna need to link me sources

This is really inconsistent

Oh there is nuance but it doesn’t count?

[celest dome]

False hope though

Ambition is a fair thing to say

[hasty coral]

That is a a positive aspect

[urban spire]

i don't see why it has to be false

[hasty coral]

Right there

[hasty coral]

Generally under Tzeentch it is

More of his schemes

[green loom]

It doesn't have to be false

It doesn't matter

[hasty coral]

Nurgle is 1000% not just disease though

[green loom]

It can be real, it can just be a trick
Change is change

[hasty coral]

Literally so much of Nurgle is about growth

[green loom]

And disease

[urban spire]

lexicanum lists nurgle's domains as mortality, morbidity and despair

[hasty coral]

It’s certainly his MAIN aspect yes

[celest dome]

Cause the game is rigged

[hasty coral]

But I would not call Nurgle only the god of disease

[storm jungle]

Late but to add to this

[celest dome]

And stagnation

[hasty coral]

They are so much more nuanced

[storm jungle]

this all comes from a interrogation a witch hunter is doing on a slaanesh cultist

[green loom]

Everything else is a biproduct of this

[storm jungle]

and its straight from a chaos worshippers mouth

this spiraled out of control

[hasty coral]

Technically growth can be stagnant

[storm jungle]

and basically became insane misinformation

lol

[urban spire]

what has

[green loom]

I mean they seemed pretty enthusiastic about end times

[celest dome]

What is miss info ? That they have beneficial aspects or the other way ?

[storm jungle]

That chaos gods have "good sides"

thats never been the case

they are evil

[green loom]

Oh

[celest dome]

Ok what I though, the reply made it unclear tbh

[green loom]

I thought you meant them wanting to destroy the world

But yeah shocker

[storm jungle]

LMAO

yeah honestly that was also the case

them destroying the world made no sense

but hey plot

[green loom]

The giant men making mass sacrifice rituals to summon monstrosities from literal hell into the real world maybe aren't nice
Shocking

[hasty coral]

Well again evil is a moral concept

Which the chaos gods don’t really fall under

They are bound to their concepts

[green loom]

They're actively malicious

[celest dome]

Depend on how they look at the mortal worlds, if it's needed/sustenance, then yeah, it make no sense to do so
if it's just a Great game for them...

[storm jungle]

Evil is not a moral concept

skinning a person alive is evil

you are hurting another being for no reason

lol

[green loom]

And they LIKE skinning people alive

[storm jungle]

^

[green loom]

It LITERALLY feeds them

It's their bread and butter in the most literal sense of the phrase

[hasty coral]

That’s literally the basis for evil’s existence?

It’s a human concept?

[storm jungle]

Evil is evil.

its not a complex subject

[green loom]

I think more accurate would he maliciojs

*malicious

[hasty coral]

That is fair

They understand what pain and suffering is and want to cause it

[celest dome]

Well yes evil is a concept, but so are the Chaos Gods, and they are conceptualised on evil subsets

[hasty coral]

By OUR perspective they are certainly evil

[brisk vine]

I don't think they just understand it

They are formed of it

[hasty coral]

True

[brisk vine]

Nurgle came to be through grand plagues and mass contagion

[hasty coral]

But again that’s all they are

[brisk vine]

Khorne is an avatar of anger and conflict

[green loom]

Like She-thyreal the Butcher of Babies, who beheaded a kid's entire Infront of him before skinning him alive is probably pretty objectively evil

[hasty coral]

HER?

Yes

[storm jungle]

They entirely understand it

[hasty coral]

By the general definition of evil

[storm jungle]

the Chaos gods are actively evil

they arent eldritch

[hasty coral]

Eldritch beings can also be evil though

[brisk vine]

It goes beyond mere understanding though, given how they feed off the ideas they embody

[celest dome]

I mean, if they were so "amoral" why don't we have good people who are their champions ? or Daemons that are good ?

[hasty coral]

It’s something WE ascribe to them

[brisk vine]

Malal is the edgiest

And actively amoral

[storm jungle]

Yet they do childish stuff like getting mad at some particular person and saying this cannot stand and kill them on the spot

[celest dome]

malal does not matter

[brisk vine]

Yes

[green loom]

To add on, per I think Slaves to Darkness they actively twist their followers to be more fucked up

[brisk vine]

Because they are born of mostly human emotions

[hasty coral]

The Chaos Gods ARE evil but it’s still not some objective truth

[brisk vine]

By this point

[hasty coral]

They literally HAVE to be cruel

[storm jungle]

They feed off of everyone

its not just humans

[hasty coral]

They were born of it

[brisk vine]

Right

[hasty coral]

Of pain and suffering

[brisk vine]

Well

[green loom]

Yeah so they're evil

[brisk vine]

Do they feed off of Orks?

[storm jungle]

Yes but not as much because they got their own gods lookign out for them lol

[celest dome]

In part, at least not as much

[hasty coral]

Yes but not entirely of their own fault

[brisk vine]

Blessed be Gork and Mork

[celest dome]

It is

[hasty coral]

The chaos gods can ONLY follow what they were born of

[storm jungle]

Yeah chaos gods are conciously malevolent

[hasty coral]

They are concepts

[celest dome]

Parasites are still things that evolved like that

[storm jungle]

^

[hasty coral]

They have little choice

[storm jungle]

they are parasites

they are super aware of what they are doing

they arent unknowable eldritch monsters

[hasty coral]

Conceptual entities often have little to no choice ESPECIALLY when formed entirely from the concept at hand

[celest dome]

There are for me only 3 Chaos Gods that could be considered as good, Nuffle, Necoho and Zuvassin

[hasty coral]

They have restricted free will

[storm jungle]

Except that nobody is asking them to make legions of killer daemons

[hasty coral]

Their birth did

[storm jungle]

No it didnt lol

[celest dome]

That we don't know

[green loom]

Slaanesh straight up makes killier daemons lol

[storm jungle]

like these are a lot of assumptions here

[celest dome]

Like Bloodbowl is a proof that they don't need it

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[green loom]

Shalaxxi was made specifically to kill other Greater Daemons

[hasty coral]

They were born as agony and suffering and embody those same concepts

[storm jungle]

They dont 💀

[hasty coral]

What?????

[storm jungle]

these arent beings trapped to their wants bro

[hasty coral]

Ok guys we do understand the Chaos Gods are conceptual entities right?

[storm jungle]

they actively enjoy being evil, this has nothing to do with them being forced to do this 😩

[hasty coral]

Give me a yes or no

[storm jungle]

I give up

[green loom]

They aren't concepts, they're very real and very killy

[celest dome]

Yes, do you understand that those things aren't against their own nature, and that they enjoy their job

[hasty coral]

But their nature IS their job

They were literally born the embody suffering

Nurgle was BORN the embody disease

Khrone? Violence

[green loom]

Anyway here's a thing @storm jungle

[hasty coral]

You could argue Tzeentch and Slaneesh have more of a choice but both were still born of living suffering

Guys this is the BASIS of the chaos gods

[brisk vine]

Nah

Slaanesh was born of hookers and blow, courtesy of the eldar

[hasty coral]

This is literally the CRUX of their existence

This cannot be a lore channel without a fundamental understanding of the setting

The chaos gods are ENTIRELY conceptual entities born to embody the suffering of the universe, the warp USED to be a entirely neutral force until the war in heaven which the mass violence of disrupted

Not to mention to warp is ALL mental

It is entirely a collection of consciousness

Everything born of it is in part due to consciousness

[green loom]

All the named random NPCs on the Mourningstar

[forest orbit]

Lmao thats dedication

[hasty coral]

Seriously what happened here that we think the chaos gods AREN’T conceptual?

When that is their ENTIRE point

[forest orbit]

They are actively evil malicious cunts

[green loom]

Cus you have shit like this roaming around the galaxy lel

[forest orbit]

dont give me this "conceptual" redditor philosophy shit 💀

[hasty coral]

???????????

[green loom]

They're just warp-born parasites that feed of XYZ

[forest orbit]

[hasty coral]

But it’s literally in the lore?

[forest orbit]

So?

They are still evil twats

[hasty coral]

That’s literally how they were written?

[forest orbit]

And?

They are parasites

im not gonna show any understanding to them, this isnt a deep subject

[hasty coral]

But your telling me they aren’t conceptual????

[forest orbit]

god

[green loom]

I don't think you have to say I don't grasp the setting because I don't agree with your take on things

[forest orbit]

shut up man

[queen laurel]

You're telling the concept of the god of honor uses demons like this?

[forest orbit]

ive been here for like 1m and i got a headache

[hasty coral]

I’m being told I’m stupid and wrong for objectively stated information

This is the lore channel and lore fundamentals are being argued as if they aren’t canon lore

[green loom]

He's so honourable bro

You don't get it, he needed to burn those tents!

[hasty coral]

Ok fine that’s not true

I get it

[queen laurel]

"He is the god of honor guys i swear"

My brother in christ i watched his people decapitate the children for skulls

[hasty coral]

Ok Jesus can we move on?

Why do we not think the chaos gods are conceptual?

I’m trying to have a productive discussion

[green loom]

Ok I'll bite, the hell does conceptual even mean

In this case

[hasty coral]

Born and often a slave to, concepts

Violence, war, suffering, pain, evil, greed

All objective to some extent but still not universal truths

[urban spire]

lexicanum still lists hope as one of tzeentch's domains

[queen laurel]

Because they aren't, a concept isn't a living thing, the gods always send visions to their followers and even f****** reward them, a concept can't create monsters

[green loom]

It's not wrong

[hasty coral]

They aren’t THE concept they are beings born of and often embodying said concept

[urban spire]

slaanesh has pleasure, joy and perfection

[hasty coral]

Disease and apathy existed BEFORE nurgle but they are things now in his sphere after his birth of suffering

[hasty coral]

It’s more overindulgence, perfection was a Fulgrim thing

[green loom]

All brought to excess

[hasty coral]

It’s a form of excess

[urban spire]

khorne: no redeeming qualities

[green loom]

Doesn't matter

[queen laurel]

Yeah he is the suppressed anger we always have

[green loom]

If it's "over the top", it'll fall under Slaanesh

[urban spire]

rofl

ok in all fairness anger is not always a negative thing

[hasty coral]

I cannot believe someone just called me a redditor for explains how the chaos gods work

[green loom]

It is if in context it's related to butchering people

[queen laurel]

Yes sometimes you just need to be a better violent for things to settle themselves

[green loom]

The gods aren't the concepts, they feed off the concepts

[hasty coral]

EXACTLY

[queen laurel]

Ok fine if that's what you mean that's on you but it's your wording buddy

[urban spire]

it is clear that ANYONE who indulges in the domain of one of the chaos gods is strengthening that god, even if they only do it for a moment

[hasty coral]

Conceptual entities are NOT concepts I expressly stated that

[green loom]

Yeah any minor thing you do will probably be feeding them, but it won't like
Hook you to one of them

War will actively feed khorne because of the bloodshed, high society has slaaneshi cults for a reason

The aptly named Dregs turn to nurgle to escape their suffering

[queen laurel]

I'm going to be as a blunt as a thunder hammer here

The reason why we're pretty hostile is because a lot of newcomers come in here and those guys have a reputation for being so blunt a literal thunder hammer will bounce off their skull

I kid you not someone came in here and said that the rejects are the best things

And said that they are stronger than inquisitorial stormtroopers

[hasty coral]

Ok but that’s not an excuse

Especially arguing over canon and constantly stated lore

[urban spire]

from the black crusade rulebook

[hasty coral]

I get it lore newcomers can be annoying, as a Warframe and Destiny junkie I get it

But you people HAVE to chill

[queen laurel]

You said chaos god's aren't inherently evil

[green loom]

Where's the fun in that

[urban spire]

level 30 rejects definitely got stormtroopers beat

they can aim for one

[hasty coral]

I stand by that

[green loom]

[urban spire]

you need more than 4 stormtroopers to kill a beast of nurgle i think

[hasty coral]

Evil to me would be someone who HAS a choice in their actions and chooses to cause suffering

[green loom]

I simple wouldn't do power scaling based on a video game

[hasty coral]

The Chaos Gods were born out of suffering

They are manifestations of suffering

[queen laurel]

How can you look a khorne

The blood god, god of war, god of hate, god of skulls and think

This guy is a good guy of honor

[green loom]

Ok but this is stupid though

Like

[hasty coral]

And as thought entities they do what they were thought of

[near wasp]

Are the orks evil

[green loom]

They're objective malicious monsters

[hasty coral]

He isn’t either

[queen laurel]

Yes

[urban spire]

i'm built different, i can kill a plague ogryn and say "damn i bet i can kill a space marine easily"

[hasty coral]

Their actions are in the human mind, and to me that is objective yes

It’s just crucial to understand you can’t CHANGE a chaos god’s mind of actions

[queen laurel]

He deliberately encourages his followers to decapitate innocent worlds for skulls

[green loom]

I mean why would he listen to you, you're just food

[hasty coral]

Does he? I’m pretty sure he JUST cares for blood

[urban spire]

point of order: tigers eat humans sometimes, are they evil?

[green loom]

The symbolism of beheading/skulls is commonplace along his gamers

[queen laurel]

Why do you think they have the warcry skulls for the skull throne

[hasty coral]

It’s not whether he WOULD it’s whether it would be possible even in the smallest decimal

It’s not

[urban spire]

what definition of evil are we operating with here?

[hasty coral]

Because he is literally a thought being of violence

[near wasp]

Tigers arnt sentient

[median marsh]

Orks: Haha red paint faster!
Also Orks: i will use these children as target practice because im bored

[hasty coral]

And skulls?

[green loom]

Idk do they grow 3 times their size, develop semi sentience, and actively stretch suffering out knowing the pain they cause?

[near wasp]

I mean dolphins torture animals

[urban spire]

tigers don't eat pain, some of the chaos gods do

[green loom]

Yeah they're bastards too

[hasty coral]

Dolphins have a choice

Even if they are not smart

[median marsh]

dolphins
not smart

[hasty coral]

They know suffering and can choose otherwise

[median marsh]

im sorry what

[hasty coral]

Compared to HUMANS

[median marsh]

dolphins are incredible animals

[near wasp]

The gods are beings that can set plans in place to destory the galaxy, they are sentient

They can be and are evil

[queen laurel]

They deliberately play ball with puffer fish while simultaneously getting high on the things poison

[urban spire]

i'd like to give a brief shoutout to the brave cetaceans who are currently obliterating yachts, fighting the good fight

i'm with you siblings of the sea

[near wasp]

Even if they have aspects that can be good they are overwhelmingly evil

[hasty coral]

Chaos gods have the sentience to understand suffering but do not have the functional ability to NOT follow their conceptual embodiment

Their actions and overall choices are evil

As they were born of evil and suffering

[near wasp]

They are malicious beings thus evil

[hasty coral]

But it’s still important to note their nature

[green loom]

Anyone else notice that the Agitator zealot has started speaking on the intercom

[urban spire]

what do you mean?

[hasty coral]

It’s still important to understand they are a rabid animal more than anything, a being only minded towards suffering with no ability to do otherwise

[green loom]

You can hear the agitator on the ship shouting out random mantras

[near wasp]

Why should i care weather or not it wants to be evil when its trying to rip my face off

[urban spire]

my god is still the god of hope 💖

[hasty coral]

They weren’t just born of suffering they were literally COMPOSED of the suffering of conscious beings and suffering thoughts

[urban spire]

oh the flamers of tzeentch are causing your flesh to bubble and run like wax? well maybe you should have picked a less shit god <3

[hasty coral]

Again a relative concept

[rose thorn]

Praise be to the chaos gods!

[hasty coral]

Hope to one could be pain to another

[rose thorn]

As I pour the bucket of dice with my horde of possessed

[urban spire]

maybe i should reinstall total warhammer 3

[rose thorn]

I need to work on my helot chaos cult for necromunda actually

[rose thorn]

I just got 3 like a month ago

I can’t play it on work and school days because I’m playing for literal hours at a time lmao

[urban spire]

i hear 3 is having a hard time becoming a good game

[queen laurel]

I wish i didn't need the grom the paunch dlc and total war warhammer 1 play the orcs

[rose thorn]

It fills the power fantasy tbh

[hasty coral]

We revile the chaos gods because their very existence is malice and suffering and their hatred is warranted 1000 times over, but I would never think of a chaos god as a evil “person” because it’s more of a animal that HAS to be put down more than anything

[rose thorn]

but I keep eating shot shit

[hasty coral]

Honestly for the good of both the warp and realspace

[urban spire]

last time i played the only tzeentch start was insanely hard and also tucked away down at the south pole

it sucked

[near wasp]

Ive been playing warhammer 3 and i suck so badly

[hasty coral]

Tzeentch followers if they wore jackets

[near wasp]

Groms dlc is worth it, you can just get it standalone

[queen laurel]

Yeah but if i want the entire green skin roster i would need to get the first game

[near wasp]

Yeh

[urban spire]

the insane cost of getting into total warhammer at this point is in no way warranted to be frank

[near wasp]

Paradox games are worse honestly

[urban spire]

there's a way to get it for free with some sort of code from gw, i don't remember how exactly, worth looking into

[queen laurel]

To be honest i just want to download total war warhammer 3 and pick green skins and kill everything around me

Since i have to download the first game i've been alienated

[urban spire]

there is no room for argument on this point

you don't have to download the first game

you just have to own it

[queen laurel]

So if i just buy the first game

Without literally downloading any of it just buying it

I can use the factions?

[urban spire]

yeah all the content is in there

[near wasp]

Yep

[urban spire]

it's fucked

not to put too fine a point to it

[near wasp]

Its all based on license since the game just installs all the factions anf characters anyways

[urban spire]

oh and by the way don't look for illicit mods that unlock factions you don't have access to

that's not allowed

[queen laurel]

Well that makes things a lot easier, i'm going to wait until CA gets theur shit together

[urban spire]

so don't do that

[queen laurel]

After that whole shadows of change debacle

[urban spire]

you could probably find those mods very easily if you looked, however i don't imagine you would since that would be morally wrong

[near wasp]

We get its wrong thank you cin

[hasty coral]

You know what I retract my previous statement

The Chaos gods ARE evil

Because they literally are

[urban spire]

glad we've come full circle on this

[queen laurel]

Took you long enough

Sorry for the sarcasm but a lot of people don't learn

It's very rare to find someone willing to understand the truth

[urban spire]

i don't like the characterization of the chaos gods as saturday morning cartoon villains but i acknowledge that it is the way that it is

i think it's bad writing

[grave sparrow]

Yall ever think if Angron didn't get nails he could've been one of the most loveable primarchs 🥺

[hasty coral]

I still stand by my belief in moral relativism, but since the Chaos gods are literally COMPOSED of suffering and evil thoughts technically using human morals works

[urban spire]

gives us shit villains with dumb motives

[crystal forum]

bruh

[hasty coral]

Because they are technically just a combination of human evil thoughts

[storm jungle]

Angron would definitely have rebelled still

[hasty coral]

So they are technically under the same rules of human judgement

[storm jungle]

the Emperor was everything he hated

[queen laurel]

Yeah so it doesn't make make sense for them to be not evil if they are literally composed of evil

[hasty coral]

True

[queen laurel]

That's like saying that candy is not candy because it's made of candy

[hasty coral]

Your right on that, if they weren’t connected to thoughts it would be different but because they are they innately must fall under human morality

My bad

Flawed logic

[urban spire]

look at him he's such a happy chappy

[queen laurel]

You know what i apologize for being a bit of a dumbass you are lucky you're one of the few people who learn their mistakes because i still remember those who didn't

[grave sparrow]

I feel like if he didn't get nailed he probably could've taken over his planet.

Then again I haven't gotten into too much Angron lore, I think I've got the part where Kharn first talks to him though

[hasty coral]

Didn’t Khrone give him braindamage

[queen laurel]

Trust me buddy

You are now on my good graces for a while

[hasty coral]

I’m fine with lore argumentation that’s the point

Frustration is also understandable

[urban spire]

he's a daemon prince i don't think he has a brain

[hasty coral]

Monster Hunter lore community has it BAAAAAAAD

[queen laurel]

The amount of people that would come in here and being dumb has been in high quantity lately

[urban spire]

odd to make a lore community for games that don't give a shit about lore

[hasty coral]

It’s fun analyzing fictional animals

Grounded fiction is pretty fun

[urban spire]

i loved mh world for its depiction of ecology

[hasty coral]

It’s just that most of the community still thinks the Equal Dragon Weapon (robo dragon) is canon when it was literally JUST concept art

[urban spire]

and then rise came out and i stopped caring about monster hunter

[hasty coral]

NEVER USED

[near wasp]

Switch ax go brrrr

[hasty coral]

But YouTubers spread around the lie

And now like most of the community believes it

[queen laurel]

What's the point of analyzing a giant black dragon that can melt metal with it's breath, i mean sure you can have fun but like trying to make something super realistic up as much as possible in a fictional setting is not always a thing to go by

Realism is good but people justifying too much of it to the point that they kill the fun is just no good

[hasty coral]

Mainly fan creations

It’s just a pretty well rule based universe

At least to a lot of lore nerds

[near wasp]

Every black dragon has the potential to destory a country and yet i kill like 7 just trying to carve a tail

[hasty coral]

Again it’s not in ONE attack

It’s more that nothing could stop them and their destruction

[queen laurel]

I saw a guy say that the roar of a Tigrex has the same power as a block of c4 exploding

[hasty coral]

Yes and no

Definitely less force

[queen laurel]

Yeah

[hasty coral]

But possibly as lethal because of the sheer VOLUME

[queen laurel]

I did not believe it

[urban spire]

people don't know how powerful c4 is

[hasty coral]

It’s grounded not realism

[urban spire]

people don't know powerful dynamite is

people think a single stick of dynamite is like a hand grenade

[hasty coral]

Tigrex has INSANE lungs

Like damage your internal organs sound

[queen laurel]

Yeah it's not the blast of the roar that you have to worry about it's the volume of it literally killing your internal organs

[hasty coral]

Which can be just as lethal as explosions in some scenarios

[hasty coral]

Exactly

[queen laurel]

It literally shatters it's bones by roaring

[near wasp]

I mean genades only explodes like a few few meters but because hollywood people think they can flatten biuldings

[urban spire]

i drank juice from my bug so my organs are immune to being screamed at actually

[hasty coral]

They are still incredibly dangerous

[near wasp]

Yeah getting a shard of metal jammed in your liver can remarkably be quite lethal

[hasty coral]

Range is often overhyped but power less so

[urban spire]

a hand grenade is a threat out to like 50 meters away, it's the shrapnel that's the danger there

and a stick of dynamite is WAY more explosive than that, though it doesn't have the shrapnel

[hasty coral]

Leaping on a grenade weirdly works and doesn’t

[near wasp]

I should of specified concussive elements

[hasty coral]

Myth busters kinda tested it

It CAN work

But it’s not super consistent

Again

Because shrapnel

[urban spire]

if i had to be next to an exploding grenade, i would rather be next to one that someone had jumped on than a bare one

not to be too morbid

[hasty coral]

Oh yeah no

It absoutely helped a ton

It’s just not a “save everyone around you”, moment

[urban spire]

i don't get why most of tzeentch's daemons are so lame

horrors, flamers, screamers and discs really don't fit his theme at all

lords of change are neat, but the rest are just

weird critters

[arctic talon]

Might indicate the state of change

Idk

They look like blobs

[urban spire]

ah yes today i will embody change and ambition by being a weird flappy screaming thing that dives and bites

horrors throw fire and stab things, flamers shoot fire, screamers scream and bite things, discs get stood on

that's literally all these daemons do

they have no other purpose

[spare osprey]

Yeah that sorta sounds like Tzeentch

[urban spire]

no

[spare osprey]

It’s an ever changing plan, just do shit and we’ll keep goin

[urban spire]

bloodletters have more capacity for scheming than flamers

i mean i guess there's also heralds

but most horrors just do khorne shit

screamers just bite and crash into things

[outer wave]

Horrors and flamers are a good representation of base arcane magic made manifest

They dont really have a real form and they keep shifting around

Discs also fit with the "Why are you so weird" theme

I think there's a little too much reliance on ravens as his theme tbh and I wish it were more sea creature based

[urban spire]

they're barely sentient

[outer wave]

No they're sentient alright

Screamers are known to having a pretty good base primal intellect

[urban spire]

the literal only thing they can do is crash into things to bite or stab them

and, you know, scream

[outer wave]

Yeah they're practically animals (the screamers I mean)

But they're apparently good hunters that plan around their targets

[urban spire]

what bothers me is that they get less nuanced personalities than other lesser daemons

[outer wave]

I think I sort of agree with that? But then again the other daemons are "Happy, sadistic, or angry (with a touch of honor)"

I just wish there were more sea creatures because "sea = chaos and unknowable horrors"

[urban spire]

greater axolotl of change

[outer wave]

Imagine an octopus or a nautilus

[urban spire]

dire blobfish

[outer wave]

Angler

[urban spire]

cuttlefish could be great

they literally hypnotize prey by rapidly changing colours

https://youtu.be/qjloPutUCeo

this is tzeentch as fuck

[outer wave]

Duuude

[snow fern]

I remember fighting that guy in Ocean Hunter

[urban spire]

no idea what that is

[snow fern]

A rail shooter I played a bunch of in a nearby arcade.

Really fun, wish it would get ported

[urban spire]

well i guess cuttlefish existed 10 years ago so that makes sense

[marble robin]

are the Skaven symbols just easter eggs or there is something on 40K?

or did GW just reused the symbol and it doesn't mean anything?

[arctic talon]

Easter eggs, Skaven symbol doesn't mean anything in 40k

And it also doesn't show up in 40k

outside of darktide

[urban spire]

i'd love it if they did some kind of disaster-canon crossover

with a bunch of vermintide enemies in darktide

[green loom]

Kruber and co just show up randomly from a portal

Skittergate malfunction

[rose thorn]

Spoilers for Void King ||im drying over how the gsc dropped off a genestealer on that one planet||

[urban spire]

the what

[rose thorn]

||they left a shipment with a status field, and when people went to open it there was a letter with the text ‘For the future’||

||and there was a fucking genestealer inside||

[rose thorn]

||genestealer cult||

[urban spire]

what is the gsc and what is void king

[rose thorn]

Void king is a book about a rogue trader

[marble robin]

the next darktide dlcs

[urban spire]

ah interesting

[rose thorn]

?

[urban spire]

i am choosing to ignore the uchiha

[snow fern]

Genestealer cult is something that I never hope happens cause people are annoying about it, and they actually have a fair argument for it’s inclusion since VT2 Necro added in AI fightin AI

[marble robin]

lol, it was a joke but i'll be surprised if they don't launch a Tyranid dlc

[rose thorn]

Genestealer cults are cults caused by the Tyranids

[urban spire]

genestealers would be interesting

the trapper might actually be a genestealer

[green loom]

Wasn't it just based on Stealer stuff

[urban spire]

the model is based on a genestealer model iirc

[snow fern]

I mean, gotta have those living sacrifices somehow?

[rose thorn]

Well the genestealer stuff is just, normal imperium citizens work equipment

[green loom]

You know who I want to see?

[snow fern]

They’re a scab right? Not dreg?

[urban spire]

the trapper talks about getting a good price for you iirc

idk, it's kind of hard to understand her

"i'll sell you down there"?

[snow fern]

Isn’t there a genestealer model that’s just a humvee with a 50cal on top?

[urban spire]

"i'll smell you down there"?

who knows

[arctic talon]

She mentions selling you down the river

Lol

She’s weird

[plush mason]

damn thing even sounds like a UFO lol

[arctic talon]

Pretty much

They have multiple technicals lol

[rose thorn]

The orlocks have pictures of them selves wearing mining equipment that’s literally just genestealer armor

[arctic talon]

But gsc gear is mostly civilian or mining gear

Repurposed or stolen

[rose thorn]

A personal favroite vehicle for necromunda

[snow fern]

I wouldn’t really call gsc stuff their own, in the sense it’s all repurposed civilian/mil tech

[rose thorn]

I’m pretty sure it’s not very good tho

[arctic talon]

Achilles ridge runner?

[plush mason]

the gus on the side is just funny as hell to me

[arctic talon]

There’s some unique stuff lore wise

Like the weird ass knife

That the gsc assassin morph gets

But most of it is used by the imperium

[rose thorn]

All the genestealer vehicles are all available to every necromunda gang

[urban spire]

OH

gsc is gene stealer cult

that too way too long to sink in

[near wasp]

Were having this conversation again

[urban spire]

i haven't had dinner today in my defense

[snow fern]

I mean, you wanna talk about Dark Mechanicum? I do

[urban spire]

not much to talk about

[near wasp]

XD

[urban spire]

the mechanicus is already so grimderp it makes it look stupid

dark mechanicum is even grimderper

[near wasp]

Also i meant the convo about gsc weapons and gear

[urban spire]

all the bad shit the mechanicus does, but also they SUMMON DEMONS

[green loom]

But Cin they're like, progressive and stuff!

[urban spire]

yeah that's why the traitor legions tech is still outdated

[green loom]

cut to Dark mech adept tearing apart fifteen people for a failed experiment

[snow fern]

I for one would be terrified if the angry toaster from Old World Blues was strapped to a tank tbh

[arctic talon]

Feed a daemon to it

They should bring back chaos vehicles randomly eating their occupents

On the tabletop

[near wasp]

Feed me a daemon cause my hunger is out of this realm

[urban spire]

mechanicum is as dumb as mechanicus, only certain undercover heretek sects really get interesting with it

[arctic talon]

The mechanicus is intresting to me because of how comically evil they are

[snow fern]

I just want an excuse for techno horror

[arctic talon]

Best faction

[urban spire]

i mean i agree

that emote owns

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1158209731555504231.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[arctic talon]

[urban spire]

hey its a kitto paint

[marble robin]

i mean Angels of Death is already an example, we can already see how a horde and even just the mind controled soldiers would work, Fat Shark would just need to get the necessary permissions

[arctic talon]

Indeed

Nids would be a weird choice as a faction mostly since

I don’t want to fight a fucking tyranid warrior

[green loom]

It generally means we've blown past "apocalypse" and went straight to "extinction"

[arctic talon]

That also lol

Nid warrior would also be about a marine equivalent

Nids don’t really have a proper like crusher equivalent

[green loom]

Like the entire Atoman defence is tied up with the Moebians + Dregs and other assorted traitors

[arctic talon]

Tbh if the nids invaded

[green loom]

And we're just running around frantically putting out fires

[arctic talon]

I think everyone would try killing them first

And then go back to murdering each ofher

[snow fern]

I’m sure somebody could just rip the enemies from Deathhulk?

[arctic talon]

Or we just all die horrifically

[arctic talon]

Genestealers would literally instantly kill us

[urban spire]

genestealer cults are pretty common

[arctic talon]

They tear through terminators like paper lol

The hybrids are just stronger then normal humans

[snow fern]

Yah and nurgle corruption is supposed to as well

[green loom]

Well in fairness it wouldn't kill us

[arctic talon]

I don’t see how fighting a pure strain would be fun

[green loom]

It'd be far worse

[arctic talon]

Seeing as they’re very ffast

[urban spire]

give us this guy

[arctic talon]

Real

Time for the funny kiss

[arctic talon]

I love the kellermorph lol

[green loom]

he's so stupid, I love him

[snow fern]

I’d shamelessly use that for like a cowboys in space rpg

Space westerns

[marble robin]

high damage, more than one target, good elite i think

[urban spire]

it's such a fucking cool model

[arctic talon]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/5/51/JackalAlphusMini.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20190228024919

I really like the gsc bikes

[green loom]

GSC are such a nice line

[green loom]

It's kinda weird how Geedubz gets all creative with every faction except like, Guard and Marines lmao

[urban spire]

i'm surprised they have so many vehicles, aren't they from necromunda?

[arctic talon]

No

[urban spire]

these guys in particular i mean

[arctic talon]

40K

But they’re necromunda compatible

[urban spire]

i know genestealer cults are a wider phenomenon

[arctic talon]

Gsc is like the only necromunda compatible 40K faction

And they’re an elite faction in munda

[urban spire]

are these like

for the normal tabletop or something?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[green loom]

Yeah it's the GSC army line

[arctic talon]

All the gsc stuff is intended for 40K but can be used in munda

[green loom]

Also Rashad spotting

[urban spire]

wild, i didn't know they could be deployed against space marines and shit

[arctic talon]

Lol

Laser drill makes marine soup

[green loom]

You didn't know they had their own codex?

[arctic talon]

Very tasty

[urban spire]

i had no idea, no

[green loom]

They've got one of the best covers too