40k-lore-chat

[jade holly]

Mr Wonderful Personality?

[arctic talon]

Daemons in a lot of instances aren't lore compliant

because no one wants to play nuclear football

except the enemy is durable as shit

and they have a knife that instantly fucking deletes you

[spare osprey]

yeah i mean dude's already active

been doin his shit for the past 10,000 years

[jade holly]

I mean he already got his moment

[arctic talon]

lore accurate bloodletter == AP-20 S50

[jade holly]

Killing Ferrus

[arctic talon]

Nothing is protecting you from that fucking sword lol

[nocturne crest]

What vehicle could the rejects drive?

[arctic talon]

unless your a psyker

[arctic talon]

Ogryn wouldn't be able to drive any

[jade holly]

I mean I saw a Leman Russ on a map

[arctic talon]

but Leman Russ and Chimera both are driveable

with minimal training

I don't even think an ogryn would fit inside a Leman Russ

[jade holly]

Ogryn would ride in the Leman so he could close the distance faster to melee

[crisp heath]

larger creatures than plants and small animals like squirrels

either way, we would shred a plague marine

[nocturne crest]

The Orgyn could ride on the front.

[arctic talon]

Beast of ogryn should just literally instantly kill us

[nocturne crest]

If it had a dozerblade on the front.

[crisp heath]

in gaunts ghosts they killed CSMs with lasguns, we can do it with what we have easily

[arctic talon]

the moment it licks us lol

gaunts ghosts is a pretty big exception to the rule

regarding marine durability

[jade holly]

Just throw a rock at em

[queen laurel]

Yeah and ogryns and rejects are larger than squirrels and small animals

[arctic talon]

marines are pretty squishy in them

in Abnett's work in general Marines are pretty squishy

[nocturne crest]

Wait, are nurgle infected orks a thing?

[arctic talon]

yes

rare but its happened like

[jade holly]

What would be scarier to see: a Plague Marine wielding a Tox Flamer, or a World Eater dual wielding Eviscerators

[queen laurel]

yeah

[arctic talon]

three times

[scenic bolt]

gaunt's ghosts has a dread blowing up cause someone chucked an overheated lasgun pack at it

[spare osprey]

yah nurgle can get pretty much anything

[queen laurel]

mainly because they may accidentally worship him as one of the gods

[arctic talon]

Plague marine because we'd prolly be puking lol

Like being in the presence of a plague marine

is pretty fucking bad

you'll be puking your guts out

[nocturne crest]

Nurgle Killa kan boss when?

[arctic talon]

at best

[spare osprey]

both equally

[arctic talon]

at worst your flesh will begin melting off

[crisp heath]

you know what else is larger than small animals, medium sized animals like dogs

[storm jungle]

Also Plague Marines are INCREDIBLY evil and take joy in converting or killing you

Berserkers are just braindead killer morons

[arctic talon]

Dark Imperium which is absolutely bolter porn has a plague marine straight up melt a ultramarines face off by grabbing his helmet lol

[jade holly]

Oh sure from your point of view. In reality they are happy for you and simply want you to join the family of Papa Nurgle’s

They wish to give you his gift so you can live on with them

[storm jungle]

No they actively dont 💀

[arctic talon]

after the fucker eats 40 bolter shots and a krak grenade

like its silly

how durable plague marines are depicted as

[jade holly]

Bolter Porn?

[arctic talon]

as in bang bang shoot shoot heretics die

imperium wins

blah blah blah

[jade holly]

Oh

[spare osprey]

i enjoy plague marines just cause there's a lot of variety in em

[arctic talon]

Dark Imperium has the Imperium taking the L for most of it ironically

[jade holly]

After a few good plagues you’ll see things our way

You’ll join the family soon enough

[storm jungle]

[crisp heath]

thankfully we have plenty of krak grenades and power weapons

[arctic talon]

But it also has the literal Deus Ex machina

[spare osprey]

like that one who wasn't an active worshiper of nurgle he was just a marine reanimated with the zombie virus.

[arctic talon]

if you can get into melee range then sure a power weapon will work

but if they touch you you're dead

[nocturne crest]

How often do spats between csm following the same god happen?

[arctic talon]

like your flesh will straight up rot off

[jade holly]

Yeah not all PMs are DG but all DG are PMs

[spare osprey]

yet he ended up becoming one of abbadons best warlords? zombie power ig

[arctic talon]

pretty often lol

[storm jungle]

A lot

[crisp heath]

good luck touching three people and an ogryn at the same time

[arctic talon]

they have a gun

and also their hands

[crisp heath]

and we've tanked plasma guns

[arctic talon]

Again gameplay

[crisp heath]

woa look at that so do we

[spare osprey]

there's a really good nurgle force

[arctic talon]

lore wise we'd be literal soup

[spare osprey]

and i'm blanking on the name

[jade holly]

Word Bearers would be scarier if they didn’t just keep preaching to the chaos gods they simp to 24/7

[arctic talon]

the gameplay of darktide is not canon compliant

what so ever

[queen laurel]

This is game play, a single shot from a plasma gun would literally be enough to take out an ogryn

[crisp heath]

lore wise we're based and inquisition pilled

[jade holly]

Lords of Silence?

[arctic talon]

Word Bearers are a terrifying force because they're literally unified

[spare osprey]

nah

[arctic talon]

Like

[spare osprey]

lemme find em

[arctic talon]

they're an entirely unified legion

[nocturne crest]

So what about Nurgle then?

[arctic talon]

since the Heresy Era

[jade holly]

If only they did something with that unification besides preaching

[arctic talon]

Cleaved and The Purge got into a huge war once

[storm jungle]

Speaking of Grim, I must share something with you

[arctic talon]

two seperate nurgle war bands

[storm jungle]

take a look at your DMs

[arctic talon]

they uh

killed a lot of each other

Death guard is semi prone to infighting

[jade holly]

Don’t ask me to look if you hadn’t sent it yet smh

[arctic talon]

mostly about who Dad loves the most

[nocturne crest]

Sound very edgy

[arctic talon]

The Cleaved are weird

[storm jungle]

Just do it damn it

[arctic talon]

they constantly leak black fluid

that can be used as fuel

and they never take their helmets off

[spare osprey]

found em, The Purge

[arctic talon]

The Purge are just straight up genocidal and want to wipe all life out in the galaxy so nurgle can start over

[jade holly]

You plan is foiled

[crisp heath]

Im not sure why people refuse to admit we have, as rejects, clearly above average protections

[jade holly]

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/jinx-office-the-creed-gif-21051528

[nocturne crest]

They're corn ethanol space marines.

[crisp heath]

we probably have special equipment that allows us to survive encounters with plasma guns and chaos

seeing as we are inquisitorial troops

[arctic talon]

there's literally no non power armor in the imperium thats stopping a plasma pgun

[nocturne crest]

Oh yeah, I remember the purge. Didn't they have a rule where they could shoot each other?

[queen laurel]

One of the ingame cinematics literally show us taking in scraps as weapons

[jade holly]

I’m so devoted to Nurgle booting up a PC instantly melts

[queen laurel]

Like a lot of our equipment is reconditioned

[storm jungle]

Damn, there goes his animation ticket

ah well

[arctic talon]

on the tabletop they had a rule that let them nuke their own cultists yeah

[jade holly]

Also I don’t have Discord on PC

[storm jungle]

bro

[jade holly]

Mobile all the way

[arctic talon]

just blow them up with plague

[storm jungle]

where and how do you live

[arctic talon]

also for a nurgle warband they're pretty like normal

[jade holly]

On a Uni campus and constantly stressed out

[crisp heath]

at the start of the game

[arctic talon]

like explictly they look pretty uncorrupted

[storm jungle]

Yo just like me

[arctic talon]

aside from their plague marines

[spare osprey]

very normal

[arctic talon]

in which that case

[storm jungle]

except im out of uni and constantly stressed out too

[crisp heath]

at the end its implied that we have improved weapons

[arctic talon]

yeah they're plague marines

[jade holly]

Can’t relate

[storm jungle]

You will, in time (:

[spare osprey]

it's prob cause whatever disease they'd have or want

[arctic talon]

Again there's no conventional body armor in the imperium thats stoping a plasma gun lore wise

[spare osprey]

would just insta kill them

[arctic talon]

power armor

[jade holly]

Soon Nurgle shall drop me in his cauldron so I too can become a toxic fatass

[arctic talon]

maybe

[jade holly]

Moreso than I am right now

[arctic talon]

but like

[queen laurel]

Yeah even the heavier terminators would get severely damaged

[arctic talon]

nah flak and carapace is fucked lol

[crisp heath]

shielding does

[storm jungle]

Anyway uh

[arctic talon]

do you know how rare

energy shields are

in 40k

[crisp heath]

yes

Thankfully we see them in game

[arctic talon]

There's 0 chance in hell an inqusitorial storm trooper gets one

[spare osprey]

funniest energy shield to me

[storm jungle]

@arctic talon Im gonna go get that one clip of a squad of plague marines fighting scions from WH+, that probably wont convince him either but worth a shot lol

[arctic talon]

oh that funny one

[jade holly]

Convince me of what?

[queen laurel]

Do it

[crisp heath]

We're part of an inquisitorial warband, that doesnt mean we are stormtroopers

[storm jungle]

Not you, buffalo

[jade holly]

Oh good

[jade holly]

Because I don’t need convincing

I am fully on the side of Nurgle

[queen laurel]

You might be a little thick in the skull but all i need to do us hammer in is a few bolt rounds and you're good

[arctic talon]

Storm troopers are worth a whole lot more then us and don't get energy shields

[spare osprey]

is they literally took the solar shields off of Mercury and downsized them for a marine

[arctic talon]

hell refraction fields used to be a paid upgrade for inqusitors on the tabletop lol

[jade holly]

[crisp heath]

highly doubt that theyre worth more than us lol

[jade holly]

I had a stroke trying to read that

[arctic talon]

energy shields are rare as shit

only person who should even have a personal shield is the psyker

[queen laurel]

Yeah that one is my bad

[arctic talon]

and there's 0 chance an ogryn is getting one

they're a filthy abhuman

they don't deserve better equipment

in the imperiums eyes

[nocturne crest]

If there was a 5th reject, what would they be?

[arctic talon]

Tech-adept of sorts most likely

[jade holly]

Admech

[nocturne crest]

Admech, Rival Cultist or Servitor?

[jade holly]

Yes

[arctic talon]

tech-adept

[jade holly]

a servitor

[arctic talon]

not gona be a cultist or servitor

servitors are literally lobotomized

[jade holly]

Mobile Medicae

[arctic talon]

some tech-adept who fucked up is most likely

[storm jungle]

Why would you need a servitor when you got Veteran mains right there

[queen laurel]

Yeah for them to get special treatment they need to be very very and i mean very god damn heroic, i like I mean nork levels of renown

[storm jungle]

literally the same thing

[arctic talon]

Nork doesn't even get a refractor field

he's just built better

[spare osprey]

put one too many batteries in the smoke detector, heresy declared

[queen laurel]

Yeah

Just built different

[arctic talon]

also creed doesn't have a refractor field lore wise lol

[nocturne crest]

Give the servitor a mento or a heavy bolter.

[jade holly]

They accidentally said Emperor bless you instead of The Omnissiah has granted you a boon of clean sinuses after that sneeze

[arctic talon]

he has one on the tabletop after guard players bitched enough

[storm jungle]

@crisp heath @jade holly Anyway heres some Nurgle action shooty McFartyness

[jade holly]

The heretical part being admechs can’t sneeze on account of being Mechanicus

[spare osprey]

that whole animation is pretty good with nurgle.

[storm jungle]

one of my favs

[spare osprey]

the cultists on the ship look great

the infighting is nice

[storm jungle]

notice how those scions literally fucking rot the moment they get near, thats what Elite has been talking about

[spare osprey]

and seeing how the favor of nurgle can change so fast

[crisp heath]

they didnt rot the moment they got near though

[queen laurel]

The fact that something like this literally could happen anytime on our rejects the moment they become lore accurate

[storm jungle]

bruh

[jade holly]

10 seconds in, thatDG is literally pissing

[nocturne crest]

What would the three paths for a tech adept be?

[crisp heath]

the majority of them died fighting and one (1) guy died to being rotted

[jade holly]

Now you can’t unsee it

[storm jungle]

THEY LITERALLY DIED TO THE STUFF YOU SAID THE REJECTS COULDNT DIE TO

💀

anyway i rest my case

[spare osprey]

i count 4-5 rotted

[crisp heath]

well yeah, the rejects are clearly above what these guys can handle

[nocturne crest]

Traditionalist, Geneator or Xeno Heretic?

[spare osprey]

willing to count this dude too cause a corpse doesn't decompose that fast

[jade holly]

Me fr fr

[arctic talon]

Construction adept, Meta surgeon, Necromechanic are all paths I could see

[crisp heath]

yeah I didnt notice the other guys standing behind that main guy, thats my bad

[spare osprey]

xeno is a bit specific imo

[arctic talon]

its never gona be a xenarite

hadron would most likely just blow their head off

at best lol

or a full blown Heretek

[storm jungle]

Hadron also already scolds Hallowette for trading with xenos

[arctic talon]

the adeptus mechanicus is absurdly aggresive towards its members or former members

[storm jungle]

which is uh

[arctic talon]

Like

getting your augments ripped out is considered a "nice" punishment

the admech is like

comically evil when it comes to torture

[jade holly]

To the people who say Hadron is a GILF I have a special PSA for you

[nocturne crest]

Is it heresy to pick up a fallen enemy's weapon and use it against them?

[arctic talon]

yesnt

[jade holly]

SHE’S A LITERAL FUCKING ROBOT YOU CAN’T TAP THAT

[arctic talon]

Why is her hand so smooth

did she get synth flesh just for her hand

like what the fuck lol

[nocturne crest]

You haven't tried enough.

[queen laurel]

If you're fighting an imperial rebel yes, but if you're fighting chaos and xenos not so much

[nocturne crest]

Ah.

[storm jungle]

Have you seen her fucking face upclose

[crisp heath]

[storm jungle]

shes a rotten chernobyl victim

💀

[arctic talon]

But there’s 0 chance a full blown heretek

Doesn’t have an “accident”

Or just a straight up murder

[nocturne crest]

Teratophilia exists.

[jade holly]

Dear Nurgle haters: if Nurgle is so bad why does he look so friendly

Checkmate

[queen laurel]

Umm isha

Literally isha

[jade holly]

She’s an Eldar goddess she deserves it

[arctic talon]

But keeping a known confirmed heretek around a bunch of tech priests is a fast way to return to a mangled corpse

[nocturne crest]

Ah.

[arctic talon]

That looks like a modern art piece

And is potentially still alive

[jade holly]

Don’t insult a mangled corpse like that

[nocturne crest]

So having someone using a weapon by chaos would be a death sentence?

[arctic talon]

No

But using a xenos weapon

You’re fucking dead if someone finds out

[queen laurel]

Yeah there was a guy who used a tau sniper rifle that was executed right

Even though he only really wanted to help and he didn't really have much of A choice

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Via a bolt to the head

Truly a mercy

[jade holly]

Don’t those things explode inside the flesh of the victim it penetrates?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Again it’s pretty merciful

[jade holly]

Talk about dirty fireworks

[arctic talon]

Regarding imperial execution methods

Regarding mechanicus execution methods that’s really really lucky

Getting melted in acid over the course of 10 years after having all your augments ripped out and dragged through sand is a pretty popular execution method

And that’s one of the less painful ones

[topaz lance]

What’s the most messed up thing in warhammer, other then the machine people

[frail solstice]

I'm not an expert but why arent grey knights used on aturnum. It's a pure chaos invasion and the inquisition is already there?

[rose thorn]

Probably corpse starch

[undone zodiac]

Chaos dreadnoughts

[reef tiger]

[topaz lance]

Looking them up rn

What the fuck

[queen laurel]

Buddy that can get worse

[topaz lance]

What’s worse?

[queen laurel]

so get comfortable

[queen laurel]

Night Lords

[topaz lance]

https://tenor.com/view/cave-dive-darkness-leap-gif-5803442

Brb

https://tenor.com/view/my-honest-reaction-one-piece-one-piece-is-real-gif-26721118

Does it get worse?

[arctic talon]

Hellbrutes are up there

[spare osprey]

daemonculaba is a fun one

the khrave were pretty fucked

[queen laurel]

ohh buddy we can keep going if you want

[spare osprey]

bred an entire planet of humans to pretty much brain dead levels so they could feed off their psychic life force.

Corvus Corax had to deal with that

[dusky scroll]

Hi, I'm new to 40k universe. Still learning..
I have a question, if Necromunda is such a disgusting, unforgiving place with constant warfare, how does it sustain its population? I mean, for population to sustain, people needs to breed and then take care of the baby until it grows to at least a certain age

[queen laurel]

The people there are just built different

no i am not kidding that is literally the entire reason

You live in a place long enough and your generation will get used to it

look at catachan

[arctic talon]

Short answer is there's still a lot of non combatants

long answer is don't think about it too hard

[dusky scroll]

Catachan is planet with with hostile flora and fauna afaik. But the people are living as imperial citizen. So I assumed there's a functioning society with people to actually protect what needs to be protected.

[queen laurel]

This is warhammer do not get deep into trying to reason this one trust me they just live there because they can

[arctic talon]

also Necromunda is still a functional society

[dusky scroll]

But babies need taken care of at least until they can walk and talk.

[arctic talon]

its j ust the underhive

is an absolute shithole

and the gangs have a lot of ties to the noble houses

there's gangers who most certianly didn't end up that way because they were criminals

[queen laurel]

Yeah like wolf said necromunda has a functioning society it's just what's under the ground that's causing problem

[queen laurel]

yeah i'm pretty sure there are also people that willingly live under the hives

preferring the dangerous lifestyle of the underground

[dusky scroll]

What's the life like outside the hive cities in Necromunda? I know some lives there... what do they do?

[arctic talon]

its uh

mostly scavanging

archeotech, scrap, they sell it off to the factories on world

[queen laurel]

Think of fallout but extremely hardcore and 50 times a lot worse

the wastelands play no games

[dusky scroll]

Are the people willingly living outside (for hope of high risk, high reward) or they were banished from the cities or something?

[queen laurel]

Mix of both some people don't have a way to go some are either banish or just live there to get away from the crime

Basically there are a lot of reasons why someone would be in the wastelands of necromunda

[dusky scroll]

Thanks..
I'll respawn if more question comes to mind. 🙂

A Fallout like quest based open world RPG game in 40K universe would've been awesome. Multiple ending, ability to side with Imperium, Genestealer cult, Chaos...

[grave sparrow]

Necromunda is basically like 40k Gotham City except all the gangers are various parodies of Marvel characters on massive amounts of crack and Batman doesn't exist.

Also it's really cool lol

[celest dome]

I would love a story on Necromunda but inside the Hive that isn't under House Helmwar. Iirc they have a functioning democracy and all

[thick cedar]

I heard if the Militarum show up to your planet, your world is a little fucked. And if space marines show up, your planet is extremely fucked

[queen laurel]

Yeah that is true, it's like in the pariah Nexus show, space marines are so rare that they are basically legends to the rest of the imperium

if they show up in your world, it's right fucked

[arctic talon]

https://youtu.be/QxbOYoLWiWU?si=m0mT7cS8Yv4E2Gq9

I’ve never heard her dislike voicelines

[queen laurel]

yeah hallowette and melk have personalities they don't like

They're the only ones I know that has that

[arctic talon]

Im aware of that

But I’ve genuinely never heard em

For Hallowette

[queen laurel]

caught it

[arctic talon]

Which personality

[queen laurel]

I'm pretty sure loose cannon is pretty disliked

[arctic talon]

I’m

Not suprised

[queen laurel]

yeah even melk doesn't like him

[arctic talon]

lol hallowette has so many purchase voicelines

I’m never gona hear these

[median marsh]

[arctic talon]

The loose cannon is prolly the most deserving of their fate lol

Considering their fucking introduction voice line

[queen laurel]

yeah, but hey, they don't call him the loose cannon for nothing

[arctic talon]

They just straight up murdered someone lol

To steal something

Cutthroat no clue why they’re in prison but their paranoia prolly has something to do with it

And professional had an issue with a comissar lol

[median marsh]

I wonder just what exactly is her position

She seems to be under personal protection of Shipmistress Brahm, given how she talks smack to some really important characters, especially Morrow

[arctic talon]

Hallowette?

[median marsh]

Ye

[arctic talon]

She’s most likely a quartermaster of sorts

For Brahms

Especially since she seems to deal in equipment and material goods

And also the fact she has a lot of muscle to do “acquisitions” and offers to give Zola the first pick on supplies

[queen laurel]

with her skill to smuggle in supplies i'm pretty sure she's allowed to talk some smack

[arctic talon]

Yeah that also

[median marsh]

Her beef with morrow is pretty funny

[arctic talon]

She’s certainly not low ranking either considering she has Brahms ear readily available

[arctic talon]

Tbf morrow literally burned some of her stuff

[median marsh]

I just imagine the rest of the crew going "not this shit again" as they go at another verbal exchange on the open vox

[arctic talon]

Tbh

The actual crew of the ship would most likely back Hallowette

The inqusitorial warband does not seem to be well liked as a whole considering their presence is most likely disrupting what the mourning star is normally used for

[celest dome]

Mercantile endeavour are most likely impossible atm

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Hallowette seems to be trying to get members of the warband to buy stuff from her for actual money

Which granted is smart but like I don’t think lore wise she offers anything Brunt can’t

[median marsh]

She did gift Hadron something that got her to send it to mars to verify that it's real

[celest dome]

We don't know yet if Brunt is tied to Brahm or Grendyl

Hadron is Grendyl, but honestly I feel it's iffy, same for Tube Psyker

[arctic talon]

Hadron seems to be tied to grendyl based on her interactions with others

[queen laurel]

Sefoni?

[arctic talon]

Sefoni I have no clue

She prolly is part of grendyl’s warband?

Based on how she talks and how she’s referred to

[median marsh]

Sefoni is really odd

[arctic talon]

But the inqusitorial area on board the mourningstar seems really really well built

[median marsh]

Characters mention feeling uneasy around her and how it's always cold in her presense

[arctic talon]

I have to wonder if it’s semi permenent

[median marsh]

She also has runes scarred onto her body

[arctic talon]

She’s an incredibly powerful psyker

Is the short answer

She’s most likely constantly radiating her power

[queen laurel]

she is locked in some kind of stasis pod, the only type pod I can remember like this is when they are used as batteries for void Shields but she's well awake

[median marsh]

Must suck to float around in a tube all the time

While also shackled

[arctic talon]

Tbh

Seems she doesn’t mind

[queen laurel]

i I don't remember that comatose psyker used as a battery for a part of a ship

[arctic talon]

That’s

For gellar fields

Or rather some models of gellar fields have a comatose Psyker as a component

[queen laurel]

Yeah i think she is supposed to be a geller field Psyker but she's well awake they are usually comatose

[arctic talon]

Tbh wonder what she can do outside the pod

She can project the psykanum

Which is pretty powerful

[queen laurel]

She's probably assisted by a machine in doing that but that is still impressive

[arctic talon]

It is

[median marsh]

At first I questioned how can she project the heretics in such detail but she's just probably taking em from our characters experience

[arctic talon]

Actually wait I wonder

What if she’s a daemon host lol

And that’s why she’s chained up

Then again nothing indicates she’s a host so prolly not. She doesn’t display any mutations

[queen laurel]

That would make sense, and they would provide sufficient energy to power a lot of things in the ship

but most likely just a super powerful psyker

[celest dome]

Yeah Sefoni, I find it weird that they have what look like very specific installations on a Rogue Trader ship

[median marsh]

Grendyl does a little bit of trolling

[urban spire]

cowardice

[arctic talon]

She just seems like a half naked women in a tube with a bunch of stuff linked up

I really like the psykanum like

Room

[median marsh]

She does have a few similarities to daemon hosts we see, minus deformities

[queen laurel]

yeah but they can't just use her for training, she must be connected to the other parts of the ship the highest one for me is the Geller field

[median marsh]

Scars, shackles and cold aura but that's it

[arctic talon]

Cold aura is a psyker thing in general

More specifically strong psykers

[queen laurel]

Yeah the warp absolutely absorbs energy so efficiently that it turns anything around that cold

[arctic talon]

Based on the fact it’s cold as shit around her she’s most likely around beta to alpha level

And she prolly doesn’t care to contain her power

And scars could just be normal injuries

The guard in her room does have different colors for some reason as well

Not sure if that’s a intended thing but he’s in greenish armor instead of the inqusitorial colors

[median marsh]

Iirc one has white the other a diff color

[queen laurel]

The guards also absolutely despise her, it seems she doesn't mind messing a lot with them

[median marsh]

Wouldn't be a surprise even if she doesn't mess with em

Vet really struggles with Psykers on the team

[queen laurel]

Yeah with her aura alone I'm pretty sure she's going to be uncomfortable to be with

And she's contained using machinery

[arctic talon]

Is there a way you connect into the psykanum

There’s pods right

Or am I misremembering the room

[queen laurel]

yeah

Basically you sleep in a pod and that's how you train in the meat grinder

like sword art online but the server owner can kill you

[arctic talon]

Those do not look safe

At all

[queen laurel]

My brother in Christ, Sefoni is the one that manages them

[median marsh]

Standard for imperium

[queen laurel]

The moment you entered in that room from training you are already putting yourself in danger

[arctic talon]

I trust the psyker in charge of training me more then I trust what looks like a jurry rigged stasis pod

[median marsh]

I looked at terminals the other day and realized that on about half of em the screen image doesn't align with the screen itself

[arctic talon]

Like unironically from a lore perspective

Sefoni does a really good job

Like the attrition rate of the rejects is prolly pretty high, but they at least stand a chance to succeed after she trains them

[median marsh]

Mourningstar vox talks indicate that a lot of recruits are lost and if rannick is anything to go by, barely anyone makes it to be formally inducted like we did

[arctic talon]

Yeah

But the fact any survive at all isn’t just dumb luck

They have prior experience sure but that training is very valuable

[median marsh]

Yeah sef gives basically a 1:1 replica of who recruits will face

Which is infinitely better than going in blind

The only thing she can't simulate are monstrosities and captains but I feel it's because of game limitations

[arctic talon]

It’s prolly to keep them a suprise

[queen laurel]

Do Demon hosts tattoos glow?

[arctic talon]

Varies but they can

Psyker tattoos can also glow

[median marsh]

They got a bit of glow to em

[arctic talon]

Neat

But doesn’t indicate much, just shows her powers are active

The psykers also don’t seem scared of her in their dialogue so

I’d assume she isn’t giving off the horrific vibes daemonhosts give off

[queen laurel]

yeah her face actually looks pretty well kept

[arctic talon]

I honestly doubt she’s a daemonhost but it’s a fun theory at least

[queen laurel]

I'm pretty sure she's not because even a demon host that is extremely weak would have some sort of mutation that is visible

She doesn't have any distinguishing features of a demon host

[median marsh]

Inb4 that's what the tubes are for

"sir how do we hide her horns"
"Place some tubes around em"

[arctic talon]

Her hands are normal

As far as I can tell

Those are usually the first bit to mutate

Let’s a daemon actually kill things more easily

[urban spire]

she's probably just a psyker, hooking a daemonhost up to your ship seems like a bad idea

definitely very powerful though

[vast heart]

Doesn't this also apply to blanks? would explain why she freaks the psykers out

[crisp heath]

If she was a blank she wouldn't have psyker powers

I just see her as the ships Hal 9000. If you can't use an AI, just use a wizard.

[green loom]

In theory he wouldn't command anyone

[wet sandal]

commissars aren't officers in the militarum (usually (khm khm gaunt)) so they dont actually have command authority

they enforce the orders of officers

although commisars have been known to temporarily assume leadership positions after field executing the actual officer

[celest dome]

They don't command anyone usually, but certain Commisar have lower rank commisars, and are sometime given direction of Squads

Gaunt for example is a Commisar and a Commander

[wet sandal]

or yarrick

but as i said, more of an exception

[celest dome]

Well high ranked Commisars usually have Junior Commisars with them

[wet sandal]

i think the original question was about commanding soldiers, but yeah commisars have ranks within the commisariat and command other commisars often

basically yes to the first thing, the second really depends on the situation

like a guard regiment might only have 1 commisar attached, while having 20 squads

and others might have a commisar per squad

i think its fair to say that a commisar might order 3 guys around, like if theyre somehow separated from the rest

or in one of the Gaunt's Ghosts book Gaunt was sent on an infiltration mission with just 12 guys

and that lasted for 16 months

[celest dome]

It's not fixed as far as we know

[green loom]

They might defer to a commissar if all the seniors are dead

But otherwise he's there to enforce orders/handle morale

[celest dome]

I think there might be an exception with Scions, I think Commissars attached to them are also their Commander

[storm jungle]

A commissar can basically command a squad of any size, depending on rank they can rule entire regiments or armies at times if they are a general, they are an outsider political officer with very big authority so the DT is pretty fitting.

[green loom]

That's mostly cus Commissars are fully part of the Ordo Tempestus

Whereas they're only attached to the guard

[celest dome]

Are they officially attached to the Tempestus ?

[green loom]

They're part of the org yeah

[dire thunder]

I just learned that all it takes to mentally destroy a Dark Eldar is boredom

Locking them in a sensory deprivation tank would literally just fuck them up so bad

[green loom]

It won't fuck them up, it'll kill them

[median marsh]

Might as well give Slaaneshi a straw to stick in em to slowly drink up

[dire thunder]

Well yea if you let it get that far

But I’m learning about how the space sharks captured and tortured a dark Eldar with isolation lol

[rose oak]

What I find quite sad is that if an Ogryn joins chaos, do they love the Chaos gods or just get tricked into going along and think they're still worshipping the emperor and doing his will?

[celest dome]

Depend, like even in the Imperial side there are Ogryn who don't care about the Emp

[plush mason]

dont a lot of the Ogryn that join chaos just follow the rest of their unit when it goes tratior?

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much

[storm jungle]

I mean its no different than what the Imperium does to them

Ogryn are basically slave-auxillary that are too dumb and get manipulated to serving in the Guard not knowing anything as they get indoctrinated

[rose oak]

yeah but it's sad to see them getting exploited any more than the default once as is in the lore.

[storm jungle]

Life is a bitch

[rose oak]

😭

[urban spire]

this is pure headcanon but i like to think ogryns aren't actually that dumb, just not as wired for tool use and speech as mainline humans

they are from high gravity worlds, holding items is much more difficult, they probably knuckle walk in their native gravity, being able to walk about on their legs and hold items must be to them like bouncing around on the moon is to us

[green loom]

They're also

Rarely really trained

Or taught

So what potential they have isn't really harnessed

[dry epoch]

My take on it in my Ogryn short story :

Then he had come to realise that the Ogryn wasn’t stupid, not exactly, he simply processed the world around him in a different way, and at a different speed.

[median marsh]

The way I see it, Ogryns aren't dumb..they just focus on entirely different things as on their very harsh worlds survival was above all

[median marsh]

Wait you also wrote the short story waaaay back? With Tig the Ogryn?

[storm jungle]

Yeah she's a BL author

[median marsh]

[celest dome]

But did she write both Tig and Valkia ? Cause if yes, she really is my favourite BL author

[storm jungle]

Yep thats her

[median marsh]

It is my personal headcanon that Tig ripped plenty of heretics a new one while his friends escaped

[lofty thorn]

am curious, is there a canonical timeline of missions on Darktide?

[celest dome]

No

[lofty thorn]

sad, is the whole game non-canon?

[celest dome]

Self contained cannon

[broken zealot]

40k doesn't have a hard canon it's more of a what if and maybe this happened thing for 90% of it

[celest dome]

And the missions we run are happening all the time, with different teams and stuff

[storm jungle]

40k entirely has a hardcannon

Everything that gets published by GW is true, it just sometimes gets retconned and even then it has happened rarely

[storm jungle]

Entirely canon, just in its own corner of the galaxy in the Atoma Sector.

[broken zealot]

You are welcome to your opinion

[median marsh]

We technically have 2 starting points for darktide, the very very start when Wyrmwood arrived and began her investigation and the prologue when we fight our way out to the mourningstar

[storm jungle]

Its not my opinion.

Its literally what it is 💀

[median marsh]

Missions don't have a chronological order because they're all technically just us getting deployed whenever required

In various parts of the hive*

Highlighted by how the same mission can have a different key person briefing us

In V2 it was more contained and also worked for a very specific goal, for example the first "chapter" focusing on weakening rotbloods and drawing out their chaos lord to murder

In contrast tertium is an ever changing battlefield, sectors are gained and lost with the battle we don't participate as we technically operate behind the lines to perform some task, like getting Leman Russ production back on track for the upcoming big battle we won't see

[storm jungle]

Yeah its very much this.

you are also unnamed goons doing strike missions, the narrative is more general but the missions we are going to get gradually are in a more chronological order

[median marsh]

I felt this way with the ascension riser and the uh, Grendyl message one, those feel more specific

[storm jungle]

like how Morrow talks in Ascension riser about how the Moebians are deffo getting inside help

Then the archive mission that came after it has us go and find some leads in the archives for the people in Tertium helping the Moebians.

[median marsh]

Yee totally forgot that one

I really like the environment for archivum

[storm jungle]

Yeee its great

[median marsh]

Imperium both having sophisticated tech and literal abyss full of endless scrolls with God knows what in there

[brisk vine]

Sophisticated when the machine spirit wants to play ball*

[median marsh]

Reminds me that Administratum sometimes performs literally obsolete work because the thing they're doing said work for ceased to exist a while ago

But have no idea because the records are buried under metric tons of other records

[brisk vine]

You did perform all 79 steps of the awakening rites, right?

[median marsh]

Clerk 1937646273 accidentally making a typo and sending ammo directly into a black hole

[brisk vine]

At least the imperial level

I love the theories that we're just seeing the super dysfunctional parts of the imperium

Meanwhile, some systems in the realm of Ultramar or quieter parts of the galaxy probably function just fine day to day

[green loom]

Nah this is pretty standard

[outer wave]

B-B-B--Boy's Love?!?!?!

😳

[celest dome]

Yes she also write for 40k

@dry epoch have you written books for other settings ? Like your own (I think you wrote for marvel no ?)

[urban spire]

continuing the earlier thought, i also like to think ogryn society when left to their own devices is way more peaceful

just because having a scuffle on a high gravity world would be way more dangerous

[celest dome]

I think they would be more simple. But still quite violent

[outer wave]

^ Their brains are more hard wired towards survival than arithmetic thinking, plus its 40k

So any sort of behavior that allows an individual to have more food and safety would be more encouraged

So males would likely be incredibly aggressive

[urban spire]

the way they care about anyone who looks childlike to them suggests that they are very communal

[outer wave]

Good thinking, though that could be said about great apes or chimps in terms of how they run their societies (except Binobos, fuckin' Binobos)

[urban spire]

humans are a species of great ape, so i think ogryn are too

and yeah, we are pretty communal, aren't we

[brisk vine]

When we want to be

Lots of fun studies have been done about the communal habits of homo sapiens and other hominids

[outer wave]

Like yeah Ogryns would have societies but it'd be pretty primitive "Might is Right" styled societies ultimately, even if they do have familial bonds

[urban spire]

there's apparently 7 different strains of abhuman known as ogryns

[outer wave]

Yeh with one of them being a mythical grey Ogryn thats incredibly smart

Which is kinda scary if you think about it?

Like sure they dont grow bigger per fight like orks but they're still stronger than the average boy I believe

[urban spire]

only if they have the same antipathy towards the imperium that they do towards them

which

seems likely

all things considered

[outer wave]

Well we certainly havent seen them around so they're definitely trying to avoid Imperial detection

[brisk vine]

Hiding as boneheads

To spy

[urban spire]

i'm honestly not a big fan of how ogryn are characterized in general

[outer wave]

Same

I hate that they sort of flanderize the whole idea of them being dumb and big and friendly with the guard a bit too much

And thats it

There's very little outside of that role

But ditto could be said about Ratlings and the other Tau races

[urban spire]

yeah they get to be the butt of a joke (the joke is ogryn dumb), or if they have their own story it's gotta be something tragic

[outer wave]

Yeh

[urban spire]

actually i REALLY like the kroot

they had warp travel before the tau

the way the kroot interact with the warp is Good Shit, i wish there was more of it

[outer wave]

Thats pretty cool

[brisk vine]

Is Nork Deddog part of that usual flanderization?

Been a while since i've read anything with him in it

[urban spire]

yes

[outer wave]

To expand a bit on this, I like them being one of the more friendly faces in 40k, and Im more hating the former bit of them being dumb and being explained that they're just dumb; that said, I do think its still flanderization

[urban spire]

By Ogryn standards, Nork is a genius, given that he can write his name (or at least the first initial of it), count as high as four and even speak in short sentences. These are rare (if not unique) achievements in Ogryn development. For this reason, he was taken out of the normal stream of warfare and underwent artificial mental enhancement (possibly the same process used in the creation of Bone 'eads) and was soon training within a special unit[1].

i like that ogryns are intensely loyal and protective

though i like to think that's a cultural trait

[outer wave]

I like that its played against them when it comes to Traitor guard

They're so loyal that they can be tricked into joining chaos or will willinginly go in with his friends

[versed ledge]

I heard the Saudis are actually making headway in making terra's first hive city

Neom

[urban spire]

well

no

[green loom]

Rate 1d4chan dub?

[jade holly]

Dinosaur Robots?

Why is it that whenever there’s a wacky expensive city idea it’s always Dubai or Saudi Arabia

Are they just bored over there?

[versed ledge]

LMAO

Robo dinos doing the dinosaur

[urban spire]

being rich doesn't make you smart

[jade holly]

looks at the Falcon’s Flight rollercoaster concept that defies the laws of physics

[versed ledge]

Yup, but hey, look on the bright side. Our reality is getting closer to 40k

So that's a plus

[jade holly]

Is that supposed to be a good thing?

[median marsh]

..i wouldnt call that a plus

[crystal forum]

at least it's going to create massive monuments to man's hubris for future generations to laugh at us for

[urban spire]

at this rate there's not going to be a lot of future generations

[crystal forum]

dubai is going to be under the ocean in like 50 years which is so funny to me

[versed ledge]

With future development, we can get las guns

Flak armor

Ceramite, corpse starch

Scrape

[median marsh]

Dubai is a hellhole in a shiny wrapper

[versed ledge]

Dark gods brought about by human desperation and misery

[jade holly]

Dubai is where all the bored rich people live

You can’t convince me otherwise

[crystal forum]

well yeah because it's true

that and literal foreign slaves

[median marsh]

if we leveled it with a nuke, nothing of value would be lost

(as long as we evacuated people used as slaves from there)

[versed ledge]

Just like 40k! Woohoo (I jest)
See servitors

[dire thunder]

at least there is some wholesomeness to that in which they find great comfort and love from the Empruh

The fantale about Bob And Gav kinda shows the wholesomeness of a Ogryn as it’s a story about 2 imperial Ogryns and it’s just so wholesome yet depressing but it gives a good insight to like how Ogryns serve the Big E

[dry epoch]

Yeah - a bunch of stuff 🙂 Marvel, Twilight Imperium, Wild West Exodus and also some original stuff

[viral halo]

id be interested in checking out your BL stuff, could i get the titles or name?

[celest dome]

https://www.goodreads.com/author/list/4483467.Sarah_Cawkwell

[dry epoch]

There’s also this

https://pyroriffic.wordpress.com/about/

Thanks, @celest dome 🙂

[viral halo]

thanks!

Damn I read some of these about a decade ago!

that's awesome

[dry epoch]

Thank you for this, by the way, really nice of you to say so

[median marsh]

[celest dome]

The Vakia novels were some of my fav, didn't read the 40k ones

[jade holly]

I’m gonna say it cause we’re all thinking it

IWs are the bass players of the Chaos Marines

[urban spire]

i wasn't thinking that

i was thinking a different, more interesting thing

i will not share

[arctic talon]

[celest dome]

I don't think of the IW

tbh

[urban spire]

what is an IW exactly

[arctic talon]

Iron warriors

[urban spire]

ah

are they bass players?

they struck me as krieg flavoured csm

[arctic talon]

Idk

They’re just a bunch of spiteful weirdos mostly

[urban spire]

that's most csm i think

[celest dome]

I feel like they would play Synth's player
They behave the same ways from those I know

Weirdly enough, I would say Emp's Children as Drummer

[lime basalt]

Can a loremaster tell me the state of innovation in the Imperium? Is it like, outlawed? Partially outlawed? Bit confused on what's allowed.

[crystal forum]

yesn't

[spare osprey]

The concept of innovation isn’t really outlawed

It’s the means of it

Like you can see improvements in imperial tech

But if you sorta stray from the ideologies of the imperium while doin it, that’s illegal.

Tech heresy and such

[lime basalt]

So, cutting of the barrel of a gun for faster draw. Heresy or nah?

Or is it like, you need permission in triplicate first

Or like, special rank?

I heard somewhere some guardsmen were executed for removing their gun stocks but that could be internet bull.

Not well versed in the lore, you see.

[safe vigil]

Techncally speaking I think you would get in trouble for defacing imperial property

I always saw the whole tech-priest thing as actual machinary or programming

[urban spire]

if you do it as a guardsman

1: your lasgun will cease to function

2: you will get in a lot of trouble

nobody will care if a hive ganger does it

[safe vigil]

You'd really annoy the machine spirity atleast and it might refuse to work when you need it most.

[urban spire]

hell a guardsman with a discrete sidearm can get away with modifying that

[arctic talon]

There’s a level of modification that’s allowed

Like a scope would be kosher

Buttstock also

[safe vigil]

BUt I always figured weapons in 40k just want to kill, so if removing the stock lets it kill more then it won't mind eventually

[arctic talon]

But start fucking with the mag well and other bits

It might get mad lol

[green loom]

The thing that's not allowed is essentially more invasive mods

[urban spire]

but also the type of person who inspects the guns makes a big difference

[safe vigil]

The whole 'Tech Priests will kill you for doing x' is heavily flanderized by the community

[urban spire]

enginseers tend to end up more practically minded and probably won't get upset about weapon mods

[arctic talon]

Your prolly get in trouble for doing it but not executed

[safe vigil]

and even in lore, sometimes it goes a bit too far beyond reason

[arctic talon]

Because like someone else is gona have to use that in the future

[safe vigil]

A stern talking too and latrine digging duty

[arctic talon]

Yeah

And you might get cut rations but like

Modifications are prohibited for lasgun power packs

Generally speaking lol

[safe vigil]

People forget theres a wide range of punishments the military can dish out other then the commissar blamming you in the back of the head

[arctic talon]

Mostly since those uh are very expensive

[urban spire]

the thing is, you can't really modify a lasgun much with the sort of tools a soldier has on hand anyway

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[urban spire]

and there is so much variety in autoguns that nobody would probably even notice if you modified your private side piece

[safe vigil]

overcharged las-packs are a thing

[arctic talon]

Which are usually very bad for the health

[safe vigil]

Getting shot my a overcharged las-pack is bad for the enemies health

specially if your fighting something big and scary like orks

[arctic talon]

Again you can just turn up the charge on your lasgun

Rather then damaging you powerpack

[urban spire]

overcharge isn't really a field modification

[safe vigil]

I think theres a delination between the offical rules (kinda stuff in the primer) and what the guards regularly get up too for that edge

[urban spire]

it's a different type of ammo, or sometimes just a setting on your gun

[safe vigil]

Overcharge is more powerful then upping the weapon charge. Looking at the rpg rules there

[green loom]

There's rules for it in kill team

Iirc you do 1 more damage but run the risk of violent explosion

[safe vigil]

Yeah it's always great when the first wound dealt to the enemy is their own lasguns exploding

[urban spire]

i'm not familiar with kill team

[safe vigil]

I guess the only real illegal modifications would be cracking open the lasgun and messing with the internals

[urban spire]

It can also be "overcharged", a trick used by Guard veterans that causes the pack to explode, turning the weapon into a makeshift grenade. This tactic is only used in last-ditch situations, as it results in the destruction of the weapon. The resultant explosion, however, is powerful enough to crack open the frontal armor of a Chaos Dreadnought.[3a]

[safe vigil]

Like... there was a story about a guard sniper who modified their long-las too fire outside the visual spectrum of light

[urban spire]

from lexicanum

THAT would probably piss off an average tech priest, but i imagine an enginseer would turn a blind eye

[safe vigil]

more likely it will piss off your quater-master. Can't have the troops fucking around with their equipment because its you who has to fix it

[arctic talon]

Explaining to the enginseer why the Long Las no longer has a visual beam

[crystal forum]

the enginseer can probably see that light spectrum anyways with their eye bionics lol

[urban spire]

very considerate of the dreg sniper to tape a laser pointer to their gun for us

[versed ledge]

Wouldn't that be a good thing for a sniper?

Screw the engineer, that's the best assassination and sniper rifle

[arctic talon]

Yes

[jade holly]

Alright I’ve had my fun with learning the Death Guard, time to take a gander as the Word Bearers

Might as well see what they’ve got going on

[lime basalt]

This brings up a point to discuss:

Quartermaster Brunt. They salvage and repair weapons, make them usable to varying degrees. They also craft their own weapons. The relationship between Hadron and Brunt remains unclear but Hadron has no problem consecrating Brunts weapons like any other.

What's the deal there? And my ultimate query: Can Brunt make scrap-modified versions of guns? Or are melee a special exception.

[jade holly]

Huh, so they’re the most gung Ho of chaos marines apparently

Having battles either end in total victory of absolute defeat

[lime basalt]

They're the most hung, huh?

There we go.

[jade holly]

I mean I guess that too

Why are the evil versions of groups always so much cooler than the normal/good versions of the groups

[lime basalt]

Villains sacrifice morals for style.

[jade holly]

And when you’re in a universe where literally everyone is a shade of evil

Might as well go all in on it

And look fly as Hell

Quite literally in the DG’s case

[arctic talon]

I’d assume she approves of what he builds

Besides it’s not like he’s building them from raw materials

He’s putting guns together out of salvage, for melee weapons they’re mostly so simple hadron wouldn’t care

[lime basalt]

I'm just saying, hypothetically, could Brunt produce a ripper without a limiter? I mean, if the limiter happened to be broken and there wasn't a valid replacement around...

[arctic talon]

Most likely speaking he wouldn’t

[lime basalt]

Darn

[arctic talon]

All of his stuff gets checked anyways most likely

[lime basalt]

Well, I appreciate your insight on the matter.

[arctic talon]

There’s an absolute horde of tech priests under hadrons little area

I’d assume they look through brunt’s work to make sure it’s good enough to use

[lime basalt]

A ripper without a limiter is just like, a MK1 tho, right?

They added that in after seeing Ogryns lack self control.

Man, I wish they kept in the weapon flavour text.

[arctic talon]

Do we have a full auto ripper?

In game

[celest dome]

Full Auto Ripper already exist in game

[arctic talon]

I don’t play ogryn often

[celest dome]

I think

[arctic talon]

Then yeah nvm

[lime basalt]

No, not unbraced at least.

[arctic talon]

Well

That makes sense tbh

[celest dome]

Still mean it exist

After that it's just game design

[lime basalt]

Just saying, a ripper that unloads its whole mag on a single click could be a fun time.

[jade holly]

Good luck handling the recoil

[lime basalt]

Time for the heretics to drink from the bullet hose.

[celest dome]

Brace, then hold click
boom you have it

[lime basalt]

Bracing usually results in reduced fire rate. I really want it to just hemorrhage all its bullets in one barf.

And that's before lugger ult

[celest dome]

It could appear, but it's not really that needed to be honest, but it's mainly a game design/balance and not a lore matter

[lime basalt]

Aye. This is leaving the lore realm for sure.

I thank you all again for enlightening me.

[jade holly]

Ngl

The Word Bearers

Are fucking boring

[celest dome]

All SM are

[jade holly]

If they all are then the WB are Uber boring

[dire thunder]

Leave my Khornate Bersekers alone and World Eaters

[green loom]

I will draw them with large boobs

[urban spire]

it's moral

[undone zodiac]

Word bearer generally feel pretty meh

[rose thorn]

I disagree to such ravaging degrees

But im at work

[storm jungle]

Word Bearers are great, its just kind of become a meme to hate on them when they are suppose to be the Decepticons of the Chaos Legions, they are hilarious

[rose thorn]

At their best they are tear wrenching, at their worst they are star scream

[storm jungle]

Love em

[rose thorn]

Sameee

[arctic talon]

HORUS HAS FALLEN I LORGAR AM THE NEW LEADER OF THE TRAITOR CAUSE

[storm jungle]

the fact

that this actually fucking happens

is so funny

[rose thorn]

HAVAUGSAHDH

[storm jungle]

Yeah so uh

Lorgar sees pre-Siege that Horus is a bit too coo-coo

so hes like

"IM GONNA BE IN CHARGE, THIS IS CRAZY"

Horus fucks him up because hes super roided out

Cuts Lorgar's face

Tells him to fuck off and never come back

Lorgar leaves

[rose thorn]

But, If horus is the chosen one why is he dead

[storm jungle]

To be fair

he literally got anime-blasted by the biggest mary sue in the setting

[undone zodiac]

proceeds to get harassed by corax

[rose thorn]

True

[rose thorn]

Oh they aren’t doing that anymore

Lorgar left with a note that says ‘deny fate’ on the door

So Corax filled off

Fucked

[undone zodiac]

Corax throwing cheese slices on lorgars bald ass cabbage

[jade holly]

Mfw Lorgar is nothing more than a cheerleader

[brisk vine]

I want to feel bad for Lorgar

Having Kor Phaeron as your surrogate dad is probably not the best experience

Not nearly as tragic as Angron

but still

[rose thorn]

Wha that even mean

[rose thorn]

definetly, he had a good side to him still but at every major moment of his life he was taken advantage of or abused until he just fuckin snapped lol

apparently hes fucking terrifying now, insanely strong with like constant gifts from all the gods. His skin is pure gold now too which is cool

[versed ledge]

I just realized Kowloon was a hive city, a functional and beautiful hive city

[storm jungle]

Yeah its a comparison a lot of people make since its the closest IRL example of it.

"Beautiful" though no it was an absolute hell and shithole

[queen laurel]

You know that if the word beautiful and hive city are in the same sentence something is wrong

[versed ledge]

Sister, ever seen those photos of Kowloon, especially those night time neon light photos, it's ugly and beautiful in a way

[storm jungle]

It is from a distance.

[versed ledge]

Heh, yeah, the real ugliness always shows up close

Currently watching a video about the city, and seeing how it's so similar to 40k hive cities, how do we not get lost when entry and exit points are 3D

[brisk vine]

you learn in time

[dusky scroll]

Do most people in Necromunda really eat recycles poo? or is it just the gentlemen living in the underhive?

[grave sparrow]

I wouldn't put it past the Imperium. Probably some viable nutrients in poo. I can't confirm for sure, but it seems feasible, especially with things like corpse starch in the setting

[dusky scroll]

How long has necromunda been in this current state? afaik they were an independent oligarchic set of planets before.

[grave sparrow]

it was probably a shithole since the age of strife, and didn't have enough time after the great crusade to fully unfuck it, then the heresy happened and everything was grim dark peepee poo poo lol

[storm jungle]

They eat recycled corpses, not shit. But considering the desperation of most underhives the latter wouldn't surprise me.

[storm jungle]

Following the opening of the Great Crusade and its subjugation by the Imperium and the Imperial Fists.

[dusky scroll]

is it after Horus Heresy? Are there any mention of which millenia it happened in?

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Necromunda_(planet)

[dusky scroll]

Is the lexicanum site reliable? I sometimes see it having more info than the wikia and thought some head canons get squeezed in there too.

[storm jungle]

Nah wiki is a lot worse.

Lexi cites its sources and its always entirely legit.

the wiki doesn't even have an article for the Necromunda Houses or barely any lore on the planet itself

[dusky scroll]

I see!

thanks

[storm jungle]

to give a short explanation

**Lexicanum : **
"Khorne is the god of blood and murder. He hates wizards and loves berzerkers"

Wikia :
"Khorne is the god of blood and murder, murderous blood and bloody killing. He is sated by acts of murder and blood. Warriors of blood and murder call to Khorne and Khorne demands of them blood and murder. Every time a bloody murderer wants to commit murdery blood, he invites Khorne into him. Khorne despises wizards and uses bloody murder to murder out all of the wizard blood. Khorne has no wizards, and hates them. Khorne favors only the bloodiest of murderers for his blood murdering.

[queen laurel]

Yeah but sometimes the wiki has more obscure lore so i suggest you only use the wiki if you really have no choice

[storm jungle]

its not really obscure

its more that they just copy paste everything from a source book

for example cant afford Imperial Armor books? Literally go read the wik, they put the entirety of the lore pages on it there word by word

[queen laurel]

All I'm saying is look up the wiki if you can't find it in the Lexicanum

But of course that instance is rare I think

[storm jungle]

Incredibly.

[queen laurel]

Have wiki for ork clans

Because the lexicanum doesn't have the most helpful entries on that subject

but most of the time the lexicanum is complete

[undone zodiac]

Then there is also the site for suprisingly good lore that shall not be named

[storm jungle]

yeah but 4chan lore is bad

its all memes and misinformation

[undone zodiac]

Makes it all better

[storm jungle]

no

[undone zodiac]

And its entirely in character for 40k to have misinformation

[storm jungle]

the less people I need to deal with telling me the Leman Russ was a tractor the better.

[undone zodiac]

[queen laurel]

I hear alpha legion is loyalist one more time i will convert chaos and feed the entire planet to them

[storm jungle]

[undone zodiac]

They still have some good things there inbetween the shitposting

But not recommending as first source

[jade holly]

Hot take: Leman Russ is the Lockheed Martin of 40k

[storm jungle]

Nah

its a shitty resource free tank

reliable, not too strong not too weak, pretty good

[jade holly]

Baneblades are where it’s at

Also is there a thing called the Castigator Titan?

[queen laurel]

Basically the Sherman of 40K

[jade holly]

Great

[queen laurel]

Doesn't have the best gun the best armor but it can fill in so much roles that it's very good

[storm jungle]

The Castigator is SUPER old lore

[jade holly]

Now I want to make an Gurdsman army of one Commissar and all tanks

[storm jungle]

it was basically an author going "Well what if this titan was THE template for all 40k titans?"

[jade holly]

And call it Ghost Division

[jade holly]

Isn’t it also a narcissistic dickbag?

[storm jungle]

Yep

[jade holly]

Seeing all other titans as cheap imitations

honestly

Very based

[storm jungle]

yeah its a really generic villain thing

Its from this novel in 2006

and its not mentioned anywhere else

[queen laurel]

i mean look at that thing look at thing, of course it will feel superior because that thing is the size of ******* god

[jade holly]

I guess you could say Castigator

Got

[queen laurel]

and could probably perform acrobatics like the one in pacific rim 2

[jade holly]

Castrated

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah right

when people search for "Castigator" in 40k

[brisk vine]

The Leman Russ might not be a tractor

but Imperial Knights totally tilled fields long ago

[jade holly]

It was obviously a Combine smh

[storm jungle]

nah

the only lore for their past use is fighting megafauna

The leman russ was just a tank template found during 30k and mass-produced

[brisk vine]

We weren't there

How are we supposed to know someone didn't get the idea to put a plow on a knight?

[jade holly]

Speaking of tanks

[brisk vine]

I'm sure the knight wouldn't mind at all

[jade holly]

What we thinking on this