40k-lore-chat

[barren ether]

See: The War of the Beast

[queen laurel]

yep

just their existence gave intelligence boost

[barren ether]

While the books are fairly eh, it’s a good representation of what happens when orcs are given free exp boosts essentially

[queen laurel]

yeah, the beast wasn't even a Krork only a Semi one, yet it was capable of going toe to toe with Vulkan himself

And they can take a shot from a ******* Nova cannon

[barren ether]

People do forget that the war in heaven was on a cataclysmic scale not seen even in the Horus Heresy

[queen laurel]

yeah, planets get destroyed on the regular during that war

[median marsh]

i like how Trazyn has a Krork in his collection

just because

[queen laurel]

yeah and Fabius bile himself commented that its armor is so advance that it's nothing like he had ever seen

[barren ether]

So I’m going to be replacing my fence today. To put that into an analogy relevant to orcs: instead of the WAAAGH field and Orcs believing they could just think about those wooden boards replacing themselves magically, it would be like the nails I’m hammering in would somehow add more structural stability to the boards even if they were rusty or broken

[queen laurel]

yes that's the current energy output the WAAAGGGHHH can achieve, it can get ridiculous in the future but you know GW

[green loom]

Should be noted it may not do anything

[barren ether]

Yes they could go from somehow working rusty nails, then hammers, to then knowing how to build and use power drills all because they spent a day doing yard work.

[green loom]

Because authors have said that the whole waaagh thing is mostly just a handwave

And per Prophet, whatever orks believe doesn't have to actually work

[queen laurel]

yeah WAAAGGGHHH is a very hard and complex ******** to figure out the times

Honestly I just stick with that its power output is proportional to the amount of orks

Because that's the most consistent one in the setting for me honestly

[barren ether]

All we know is Orcs aren’t out here making lawn mowers and believing they are gassed up just because

The WAAAAGH field feels a lot like the Todd Howard “it just works”. They still gotta build the shit they use, but it just works

[queen laurel]

yeah just ******* toss it up to lore bullshit, you don't need a masters degree in mathematics to figure this one out

[barren ether]

And just like a Bethesda’s game, orc bolt throwers for example are still dogshit, they just somehow can shoot abhorrent quality ammo, and with little maintenance

[normal light]

Orc genetics do funny stuff

[queen laurel]

yeah you can be born a pyromaniac a ******* feral ork in a certain clan, monster hunter the substitutes monster hunting with fucking tanks

be good at stealing

[barren ether]

Pain Boys are great. Love em

[queen laurel]

yeah, your arm hurts?

Let me just cut it off and replace it with a machine gun

[normal light]

Underbarrel grot-launcher

[barren ether]

That’s actually funny GW listen to this man^

[queen laurel]

I mean we have a snotling gun already so let's just find a way to make this one portable

[normal light]

Agree

Technically orcs* are the Skaven of WH40K

In means of technology

[queen laurel]

yeah they build technology that looks like an addict of detroit uses

Actually it probably be better in quality

[barren ether]

That’s an interesting way of thinking, however what would 40k Orcs version of warpstone be?

[normal light]

Teeth

[barren ether]

The entire planet of Ullanor? Cough I mean Armageddon cough

[queen laurel]

Scrap

Or basically loot

Shiny bits to add into weapons stuff like that

An anti gravity engine for a tank would be a very prized thing

Basically high tier loot is very good

[barren ether]

Well scrap makes sense. What I mean is that warpstone is what makes advanced skaven tech work. 40k orcs kinda just use whatever they have lying around to make their tech work

[normal light]

It’s a shame orcs have 50/50 rules in 10th edition

[queen laurel]

Basically what advance garbage the imperium has

Extremely dangerous power sources

[normal light]

Orc bullpup dakka*

[queen laurel]

Exclusive weapons to scrap and turn into destructive cannons

[barren ether]

Honestly yeah that’s reasonable. I can definitely see that then

Space hulks would probably be an especially easy source of material

[normal light]

Space hulk you meant a Giant orc ship

[queen laurel]

It's not uncommon for orcs to turn those into giant Kroozerz

[barren ether]

😤😤😤

Rok’s

Like what happened in the third war for Armageddon

Weaponized space hulks

[jade holly]

Mfw Orks use other organisms to act as hair

[barren ether]

Orcs are the true protagonists of 40k. We are just living in their bubble

[jade holly]

Which would you play:
Space Marine souls like
Imperial Guard fps horror
Ork 3rd person Doom Shooter

[queen laurel]

It's obvious what i would pick

[jade holly]

Because you are an ork of culture

[normal light]

Horror

Or Chaos Space Marine FPS Shooter

[normal light]

Or doom like

[jade holly]

I mean Boltgun exists

[normal light]

You play as Ultramarine

I am a certified Chaos Follower

See the problem?

[jade holly]

We don’t have a game where the Death Guard are the protagonists do we?

[normal light]

I don’t remember

Most games are about loyalists

[jade holly]

Or Orks

[normal light]

Or Xenos

[jade holly]

Was there ever a story where Orks and Humanity team up?

[median marsh]

Enemy of my Enemy book

[jade holly]

I just saw this in the meme channel and now I want it

[median marsh]

THE STORY
For a decade, the Astra Militarum have been stuck in grinding trench warfare against the alien orks. General Pyrrhus, commander of the ""Golden Eighth"" hates the world of Cavernum Tertius on which he is trapped. He hates the unmoving nature of the war. But most of all, he hates his opposing number, the ork warboss who has dubbed himself "General Taktikus". But that all changes when the tyranids arrive. With a common foe to fight, can Pyrrhus and Taktikus do the unthinkable and unite in an alliance that could save them both?

Written by Nate Crowley

This story also appears in Inferno: Volume 1

[barren ether]

Then Taktikus betrays his guard counterparts

[jade holly]

I mean

Given he’s an ork

He’d prob do that regardless

[barren ether]

No shit lol. As would the guard

[jade holly]

When you want to be da biggest ork

[jade holly]

Mfw the mage legion ain’t even Psykers

[barren ether]

What in the ever living fuck are you talking about

[jade holly]

Idk

[barren ether]

Alright homie to the shadow realm with you

[jade holly]

Thought that was Thousand Sons

[barren ether]

Those are indeed the thousand sons

The preeminent psyker legion

[jade holly]

Thought they were just unmarked mages and not Psykers

[barren ether]

My man my man my man

[jade holly]

Makes more sense for them to just be Psykers in hindsight

Guess an Oggy threw at rock at my face

[barren ether]

Sir their whole entire thing ajd part of the reason why the rubric exists in because of psyker shit. Like Ahriman is a galaxy tier psyker

My brother:

Gonna go murder some heretics because my nerd rage in incomprehensible

Before I leave the Edict of Nikaea was part due in part because of the fucking psykers that made up most of the Thousand Sons

And the whole “flesh change”

[jade holly]

Thousand Sons marines when I throw a fucking rock at them and make them stop thinking for a second

[urban spire]

why in the world would magnus' legion not be psykers

[jade holly]

Idfk

Thought it was some chaos Mumbo jumbo Tzeench pulled

[urban spire]

i mean at this point they are sorcerers i guess

or

the ones who weren't turned into dust are

[celest dome]

The living one are Sorcerer, which from base were Psykers.

The rest are automatons

[urban spire]

mind, you don't have to be a psyker to become a sorcerer

it helps though

[vast heart]

While we're on the mention of skaven, I still feel like you could flawlessly work the skaven into 40k by making them dark admech

It just feels right

[green loom]

It feels weird and tacked on, like every other attempt to bash them into the setting that has most of their core traits grafted onto a dozen different factions

[celest dome]

If any faction was to appear in 40k from fantasy or AoS I think it should be the Lizardmen

Old One returns. War in Haven 2.0

[median marsh]

"Aurelius, you see that giant floating frog other there or am i going insane"

[celest dome]

"Bok"

[queen laurel]

Seeing a warhammer 40K version of a scar veteran on a carnosaur

that would be something

[safe vigil]

Like how all media is improved by characters fist fighting gorillas, all medoa is improved by having dinosaur mounts

[celest dome]

We could have the Exodite elfs, they have Dino mounts. Would be a nice Kill Team. Like a few Exodite and a couple of raptors

[jade holly]

Or fist fighting dinosaurs

Look at ExoPrimal

[boreal fiber]

Have it be them stealing Chaos powers to operate their stuff. Imagine that would explain the failure rate.

[green loom]

So Orks?

[storm jungle]

Thats literally just orks

[queen laurel]

ork tech is surprisingly high tech not as high tech as the other factions but still pretty high tech

[median marsh]

remember when orks turned an entire planet into a warmachine

[queen laurel]

orkimedes is on drugs 24/7

[celest dome]

Admech has the warmachines that kill their users covered already

[coarse pumice]

The Imperium are the space skaven.

[crisp heath]

Just put real space skaven in you cowards

Miss me with that Hrud shit

But lbr the Hrud are still pretty skaven, just not in a cool enough way

[coarse pumice]

the Imperium is incredibly high tech, but don't know how it really works. Just like the Skaven.

The Imperium also has gene moulded guys, a sect for assassins

[crisp heath]

Hrud get around by living in the walls of Imperial ships and draw on powers no one really understands. We don't know if they have a skaven-like culture or not because we never really see their culture.

Sounds pretty ratty to me

[storm jungle]

Nah their culture is not skaven

Hrud were modelled as ratmen from 1 existing jes goodwin sketch before they ditched that idea and made them oil-spill victim looking bigfoot mfers

[crisp heath]

Anyway just give me rats in space it would be fun

[storm jungle]

no

[queen laurel]

POV: you see Dilara's true form

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

Literally me

[coarse pumice]

they also have 12 high seats for their high lords, with a 13th one for their god that rule over their empire

[arctic talon]

The imperium is also very backstabby

Politically

Like absurdly so

[median marsh]

so..like actual humans

[queen laurel]

You insult the funny little man and then suddenly your shipment of weapons just disappeared

[arctic talon]

Yes

[crisp heath]

This is just repeating the Pancreas vid

[arctic talon]

No shit

The imperium are space skaven

[green loom]

Many such cases

[median marsh]

one of darktides crimes you pick literally implies you got sentenced because a noble didnt like you

[arctic talon]

The arguments he made are all relevant to why humanity fills the niche

[median marsh]

[coarse pumice]

people have been saying it long before the video

[arctic talon]

^

[jade holly]

Bruh wait, is the Whole Ass Red Baron in Total War?

[arctic talon]

It’s not meme lore

It’s just thematically semi appropriate

[crisp heath]

The biggest counterpoint I can think of is that yes, the Imperium is a backstabbing fascist cesspit

[green loom]

Hardly

[crisp heath]

But good people exist in the Imperium

[jade holly]

And the sky is blue

[coarse pumice]

the horus heresy is meme lore, it's just got out of hand

[median marsh]

a small misunderstanding

[arctic talon]

Yeah the average human is less awful then the average skaven by a long shot lol

[crisp heath]

Like there is no good skaven. The skaven are not emotionally capable people trapped in a brutal system

[median marsh]

Horus played a prank but it got so far out of hand he couldnt stop

[storm jungle]

I mean no

[arctic talon]

But there’s a lot of similarities between the Skaven and Imperium

[storm jungle]

its more that awful government/faction parallels just match with Skaven and the Imperium

[jade holly]

Both are led by RATS

[arctic talon]

[median marsh]

i think Queeks father is the closest to a skaven caring for someone other than themselves

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

Sacrifices a lot of their people because you know there is plenty for them to grind down

Systematically f****** s*** government because you know humans

[crisp heath]

Skaven are creatures of chaos who take glee in being born into a life of violence and treachery, they aren't victims by a long shot. The Imperium's messaging is totally different than that, it's about how far humans can fall in the face of extreme desperation and fear.

[queen laurel]

And the lot more

[queen laurel]

Oh definitely

[storm jungle]

Drifter didn't get the hint last night thats for sure

[coarse pumice]

I mentioned it months before the Pancreas video on this very channel: #40k-lore-chat message

[jade holly]

At the end of the day, isn’t 40k all about showing the different factions at their worst as a form of cautionary tale to improve relations against one another in modern day?

[storm jungle]

I mean no?

the Imperium is the only cautionary tale

[median marsh]

40k is also about being incredibly absurd

[arctic talon]

Arguably the Eldar Empire was

But

I doubt humanity will ever get to that degree

Lol

[queen laurel]

Orks are literally just dumb f****** mushrooms that Create funny guns because they can i don't see the cautionary tale part on that one

[arctic talon]

The imperium is the only cautionary part

[jade holly]

Yeah I guess I was mainly talking about the Imperium

[storm jungle]

GW actively only acknowledges the Imperium as the cautionary tale

[arctic talon]

The tau might as well exist irl

[jade holly]

So basically don’t take it seriously and don’t actually start worshipping a very smart man as an actual god and kill those who do not believe so

[green loom]

But dilaraaaaa Mr Bohemond told me this was written by a rogue intern!!!!

[median marsh]

Tau originally used to be like, pure goodness iirc but got changed into a darker tone with implications of mind control, segregation etc

[storm jungle]

No just dont be a fascist

[jade holly]

Well there goes my weekend plans smh

[queen laurel]

Yeah because the warhammer fans don't know what kindness is

[storm jungle]

40k was made during Thatcher's height in Britain by english teenagers that hated the current regime and seeing their country going through what it was at the time.

[median marsh]

its ok big man, you can always throw rocks at snipers

[arctic talon]

Tau were never pure goodness

They were always a expansionist empire

That used propaganda

[green loom]

I love twitter so much
Today I was recommended a meme saying people that aren't happy about Sisters being female representation and want female marines just want to destroy the lore

[jade holly]

They look like a fusion of Mao’s China and Imperialist Japan ngl

[queen laurel]

Yeah and somehow the character that is based in thatcher seems a lot more reasonable in his approach on life

[arctic talon]

They’re a fusion of a lot of things

[storm jungle]

For future use:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/19/the-imperium-is-driven-by-hate-warhammer-is-not/

[arctic talon]

Their propaganda is pretty much any irl nations

In war time lol

[jade holly]

Yeah true

[arctic talon]

Constant, unending, driven in

[median marsh]

Thou art not immune to propaganda

[storm jungle]

I mean

[crisp heath]

The cautionary tale with orks is to never trust English males

[storm jungle]

thats because this is a male dominated fandom

[jade holly]

The cautionary tale is to wipe out all fungi

[median marsh]

Fem marines always attracted the worst kind of people so it inevitably descended into chaos

[green loom]

With an unhealthy population of irritable neckbeards

[storm jungle]

^

I love male players telling me to go play SoB

as if they know what I want lol

[queen laurel]

Are you saying that english males have guns that can tear apart a tank

[jade holly]

That’s it, go play Nurgle

[green loom]

Who think including someone with a slightly thinner neck on a marine sprue means the lore is now destroyed and marines are woke

[jade holly]

Papa Nurgle loves and welcomes all

[queen laurel]

Umm, let me open twitter real quick

[storm jungle]

Those people are always the worst

[median marsh]

i cant believe emperor of mankind is woke, ruined

[arctic talon]

Cover your fingers in plastic glue and grab their minis/s

[median marsh]

unthin their paints

[jade holly]

That’s just asking for Hell to be unleashed

[green loom]

You know it's pretty telling these people think the hyper sexualized ubermensch are fine but anything else is just "being woke"

[storm jungle]

most people dont know the Emperor is literally genderfluid in the most blunt sense and can look like anyone he wants

💀

[crisp heath]

I once told one of these guys that my OC chapter were lore accurate because "they were born with male bodies and the geneseed made them even beefier, but they all decided they wanted to feel more comfortable so most of the chapter is trans" and he stopped talking to me

[jade holly]

He’s just very good at contorting his flesh and bone

[storm jungle]

Thats basically what biomancy is so yes

[coarse pumice]

where are my tank tread marines

[median marsh]

Emps often disguised himself as different things which is fun

[queen laurel]

Add that and then purposely post false lore on their minis, after posting the fake lore throw it in paint, and melt it down, collect the melted down parts and throw it in the garbage

[median marsh]

imagine sharing a drink with someone and it was secretly emperor of mankind taking a break

[queen laurel]

And throw the garbage in the garbage truck

Just to be safe

[jade holly]

I still love the story that shows The Emperor got petty in minor challenges like a drinking contest

[arctic talon]

Is that a baton with a chainsaw hilt lol

[median marsh]

[jade holly]

Then proceeded to beat his son unconscious in one hit

[queen laurel]

It's the classic viking axe maneuver that turns into bladed the brass knuckle

[outer wave]

Okay, I dont know my UK history that well, but was Thatcher that awful as a leader?

[arctic talon]

They were pretty bad lol

[jade holly]

We’re talking Margaret Thatcher right?

[storm jungle]

Incredibly so

[arctic talon]

For a lot of reasons

[median marsh]

its probably wouldnt be as successful sales wise as "normal" warhammer content, but i lowkey want a codex that just describes various food, drink and passtimes in imperiums daily life

[outer wave]

Yes

[crisp heath]

I'm just so happy that GW has decided to go all in on implying the Emperor's true form is a Turkish twink

[median marsh]

or other races

[storm jungle]

theres a reason people piss on her grave to this day lol

[outer wave]

Damn

[queen laurel]

I kid you not the largest Ork in the setting is based on her

Currently the largest ork

[jade holly]

I can see it

[median marsh]

the irish (and scots) hatred for thatcher transcend reality

and for good reason

[outer wave]

Oh I know lmao I just wonder why is she regarded as a terrible leader and given a spoof character like Thraka

[storm jungle]

Basically while im not British, she basically helped the UK in a lot of ways but also uhhh kinda constantly supported rich people while the more middle-class/poor people of england were almost left jobless due to some of her reforms and some small british mining towns were entirely abandoned because of it.

Some people have an high opinion of her because she was the classic "Talk tough and get shit done" personality as a politician but her acts still hurt a lot of the british people, along with kinda fucking up Ireland and making the tensions between the two nations even worse.

[outer wave]

Well fuck

[jade holly]

I’m still surprised there isn’t a 40k style Total War game unless there is in the form of Dawn of War and I’m just stupid because I never played it cause too young at the time

[arctic talon]

Total war won’t work in a 40K format for one

[storm jungle]

Yeah its why most people (especially the people that made 40k) thought she was an absolute fascist.

[arctic talon]

It’s shot and pike era

At latest

[green loom]

You're not immune to propaganda

[queen laurel]

Its all just going to be shooting

[arctic talon]

And the poor engine already struggled with ranged combat

[queen laurel]

Just a lot of shooting

[crisp heath]

It's really debated if Gaz is supposed to throw Thatcher

[jade holly]

No I meant 40k universe, Total War style game

[queen laurel]

Like literally just f****** shooting

[arctic talon]

Oh

Yeah idk

[jade holly]

I probably said it completely backwards the first time

[crisp heath]

Doesn't help that "mag uruk thraka" actually means something in Tolkien's Black Speech

[median marsh]

i like to imagine that Emps changed appearances on regular basis to mess with people around em when not busy

[queen laurel]

Ok that's it, i'm calling you Ederius the artist of Slannesh

You did that to your self

[crisp heath]

Mag = great, Uruk = orc, thrak = to bring

[median marsh]

i take great pride in their work

[green loom]

That's not mine

That's made by LinnLaio on Twatter

[crisp heath]

The name means Great Bringer of Orcs, so I think the similarity is coincidental

[jade holly]

I knew it

Brits are Orks

[median marsh]

tfw still saddens me that Slaanesh is mostly seen as segs segs and segs while it can be so much more

[jade holly]

I fucking knew it

[green loom]

Yeah
Like segs, drugs, and rock n roll

[queen laurel]

That's literally one of the running jokes in the warhammer 40k community

Like literally

Orks are apparently based on british football hooligans

[arctic talon]

They also used to be based on Neo Nazis 💀

[outer wave]

Its hard to look past the exposed nipples and theme they got going tbf

[jade holly]

I can see it

[arctic talon]

But GW went away from that

[queen laurel]

We do not talk about the storm boy incident

[arctic talon]

What about the Afrika Corp Orks

💀

[jade holly]

The what

[arctic talon]

You heard me

[queen laurel]

I'm going to wear you as a pelt if you keep talking

I swear to god

[jade holly]

Bruh tf were GW doing with Orks in the early days?

[crisp heath]

Gaz literally used to have swastika on him lmao

[queen laurel]

Early gw wasn't the best

Trust me

[median marsh]

i love ancient warhammer art because theres hillarious shit like this

[green loom]

Wait till you hear about the Battle of Big Toof River and Ork's Drift

[queen laurel]

You do not want to know

[jade holly]

POV: civil disagreement

[median marsh]

a slight misunderstanding

[jade holly]

A little horseplay

[arctic talon]

Old storm boyz were

Something lol

[jade holly]

[storm jungle]

yeah uhhh

they werent called stormboyz because they had jetpacks

💀

[jade holly]

Personally

[queen laurel]

God dammit

[jade holly]

I blame Hugo Boss

[arctic talon]

https://destiny.wiki.gallery/images/f/ff/Taniks.gif

[green loom]

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-necro-skull-trooper-colt-general-low-tier-god-skull-trooper-gif-26079010

[queen laurel]

Yeah they were based on sturmtruppen

With the naming conventions of germans

[outer wave]

Wack

[jade holly]

Stormtroopers were WW1 tho

[median marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-well-be-right-back-flying-in-minecraft-meme-gif-20705289

[queen laurel]

Yeah and gw borrowed lot of things

[median marsh]

god remember old nid designs

[queen laurel]

They like to grab things on other eras and mash them together to make something

[jade holly]

I still love how simple things were named in German, Zweihander. A sword you hold with two hands, a Flammwerfer, a gun that shot flames

[crisp heath]

I actually don't find the orcs were neonazis thing as bad as it could've been. When you compare orcs to anything from real life, it's always been shorthand for "and that thing bad" up until recently with D&D deciding orcs are nice, actually. I get that it's not great for a hobby that has attracted actual fascists, but it could've been so much worse.

[queen laurel]

Yeah it was not the worst thing gw made back in the day

[arctic talon]

Orcs in D&D are still lawful evil

As a society

[jade holly]

Orcs in Skyrim

Are

Uhhhh

[crisp heath]

Besides there's plenty of actual racist stuff in fantasy you can feel gross about

[jade holly]

They exist I guess

[queen laurel]

Those are elves

So you can kill them all right

[jade holly]

Yeah Orsimer

[crisp heath]

Elder Scrolls Orcs are great fuck you

Orcs best mer

[queen laurel]

I'm just kidding i play as one

[jade holly]

Their god got shit out of another god to be a new god

[crisp heath]

I save them all the time in daggerfall

[median marsh]

tfw Argonians are so hardcore they fought off whats basically a demon incursion

[arctic talon]

Most fantasy races in D&D are usually like

[queen laurel]

You want to kill an elf?

Kill high elves

[jade holly]

Then again Malacath is like one of the only cool Daedric Princes

[median marsh]

kinda like how Catachan made demons fuck off

[queen laurel]

F****** thalmor

[arctic talon]

Somewhat aligned with some alignment

On average

Like there’s exceptions

[jade holly]

Me and my homies hate xenophobic elves

[crisp heath]

Argonians are terrifying genetically engineered demi-god monstrosities of course they're tough

[arctic talon]

But the average drow who grew up in drow society is uh

[crystal forum]

fuck elves

[arctic talon]

not very nice

[queen laurel]

My brother in christ they literally counter invaded oblivion

[median marsh]

its still amazing that Catachan basically solves any invaders by itself

[jade holly]

Thalmor are so elitist they’ll claim to other Altmer they’re lesser cause they’re not as saturated in skin tone or their ears aren’t as refined

[queen laurel]

What the f*** are they made of

[median marsh]

[arctic talon]

Scales, anger

Blood maybe

[jade holly]

Ask the Dunmer

[arctic talon]

Everything in eldar scrolls is an elf/j

[jade holly]

I myself accept Dwemer supremacy, their only undoing were themselves

[crisp heath]

They're a manifestation of nature itself that was cast off when the wood elves were made because they refused to be civilized, then they were re-made by psychic trees to be living weapons

They're pretty hard-core

[median marsh]

dwemer decided "screw this reality" and godded themselves out of existing

absolutely based

[jade holly]

Truly

The most based of the races

[queen laurel]

The hiss trees are pretty heavy metal it seems

[jade holly]

And left behind their civilizations to mock all other races for how inferior they were

[jade holly]

Hist

[crisp heath]

The Hist are basically something out of Lovecraft and specialized in flesh crafting so yeah, pretty metal

[queen laurel]

Potato potato it's a tree that turns a lizard either into a female or male

[jade holly]

Mfw to kill Argonians you have to be a lumberjack

[crisp heath]

You know in Black Marsh they aren't necessarily lizards right?

Hist trees can turn them into literally anything they want

[coarse pumice]

chaos squats

[jade holly]

Don’t tell me this is a blob fish scenario

[jade holly]

I can barely tell wtf I’m looking at

[coarse pumice]

observed by as commissar, imperial squats battle chaos squats

[crisp heath]

Kind of? The ones the we see in the Empire and beyond are kind of a "diplomat" form made to blend in and act nice. In black marsh, they can be literally anything, depending on what Hist decides it needs.

[jade holly]

Yeah that worked out well

[queen laurel]

So you're telling me that an argonian can be straight up a kroxigor

[crisp heath]

The Hist probably has a couple Argonian dragons laying around

[queen laurel]

Is that is true then that is f****** awesome

[jade holly]

No

[arctic talon]

Idc personally but I don’t think GW should remove anything unless it’s like straight up absurdly racist

Like the uh

Old fantasy minis

you know the ones

[queen laurel]

Should i pull up the image

[jade holly]

If it isn’t directed at Irl people or groups, it ain’t worth being rid of

[arctic talon]

Only if they request elaboration

[queen laurel]

Yeah yeah

[jade holly]

therefore we can still call Orks Brits

[crisp heath]

@queen laurel

This is an ESO Argonian Behemoth model

[jade holly]

Mf got gains

[queen laurel]

Bro is made to be a tank

[crisp heath]

Other argonians claim the ones in the game are "scrawny" and "weakened" because they're far from the hist

They're 7 feet tall lmao

[jade holly]

is an assassin

[queen laurel]

Man i really want to play as a argonian behemoth in skyrim

[jade holly]

And I wanted to ba- I mean, hold a wholesome and loving relationship with Serana

[crisp heath]

There are also Nagas, who look almost like normal argonians (the Saxleel, btw) but are extremely venomous and seem to have been created as assassins, when they don't have a job they act as bandits

[queen laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/shoota-boy-warhammer40k-kill-team-ork-wh40k-gif-26410400

[queen laurel]

What about the shadow scale are those just an assassin organization

I heard they are just argonians that have chameleon like properties

[crisp heath]

Yeah it's a group, not a species

[jade holly]

I still think the Redguard are some of the coolest people in Skyrim

[crisp heath]

But Argonians can also go back to the Hist and ask for their body to be changed again, so they can get new powers if the trees agree

[jade holly]

They single handedly kicked out the Thalmor from Hammerfell

[crisp heath]

So that's probably what they're doing

Oh yeah and Argonians simply chose not to experience time

Like past, present and future are all the same to an argonian and sometimes they can just view all of time and space as a single point and understand everything that's happening in that point

[queen laurel]

The fuck

[crisp heath]

There's no magic lore behind this, no complex story, they simply chose to do that

[queen laurel]

Man elder scrolls lore is a doozy

[crisp heath]

Argonians are monsters, man

[shell barn]

Im curious. Do they ever say roughly, how many Inquisitors there are at one point in time? Or can you roughly assume how many there are?

I dunno if that’s a dumb question or not

[arctic talon]

Unknown

Imperium is huge

There's less inqusitors then space marines is prolly what I'd say

[shell barn]

A good amount but not like.
“Oh god there’s so many” type deal?

[arctic talon]

yeah

They're like

The secret police lol

[green loom]

Secret police with large armies of redshirts

Literally, they wear red

[crisp heath]

Inquisitors are very rare, far less than 1 per planet

[arctic talon]

yeaah

but there's still quite a few

[crisp heath]

They're very powerful but they're also spread very thin

I'd say a few hundred thousand at any given time

[vast heart]

Still mad that Elder Scrolls has adamantly refused to use any of the actually interesting environments in the lore except Morrowind

I mean ffs why is the new game not set in Black Marsh or Valenwood (you could literally have a moving hub city/dynamic map)

But yeah lets set one game in a barely inhabited tundra and the next one in a featureless desert what a fucking awesome idea Bethesda

You are not clowns you are the entire circus

[celest dome]

I'd say there are more Inquisitors than there is Custodes, that's for sure

[thick cedar]

Im going to say us wearing gear from krieg and commissar stuff is canon in a roundabout way

the cash shop lady is implied to be able to get her hands on a lot of shit you normally wouldnt be able to

"special offers" and the such

[drowsy flare]

i have a question, do kriegs have psykers implemented into their units or are they attached

im trying to make an oc based off of my darktide character

[storm jungle]

Psykers are outside units

they can adopt the culture of a regiment sometimes

[drowsy flare]

aw :((

i just got into warhammer little over a year ago and i have much to learn but damn is it good

[storm jungle]

thats how it usually starts

[green loom]

Some of the outfits are just there for reasons
But the Krieg vet is explained as in the service of Grendyl

[inland sigil]

Because of his name, that is not actually THE Jurten right?
That wouldnt make any sense since he died on Krieg.
So Its just a easter egg of sorts right?

[storm jungle]

no

Jurgen is just a generic european name 40k authors use a lot

[crisp heath]

Jurgen is just a name that makes english speakers go "oh yeah, this fucker knows about goats"

It has big "ambiguous rural area of central europe" energy

Is he german? is he swiss? did his home country get dissolved in 1640? who fucking knows?

[inland sigil]

As a european, let alone German ive never met a single man named Jurten.

Is it a first or last name Btw?

[green loom]

He's

He's called Jotun

[inland sigil]

Thats even less german

[crisp heath]

Jurgen is his last name

[inland sigil]

Jurten could work, even though it sounds abit strange.
But Jotun sounds more northern

[crisp heath]

his first name is Feliks iirc

[inland sigil]

Felix Jurten?
Yeah that works

[crisp heath]

Oh no it's Ferik

Ferik Jurgen

[inland sigil]

nvm I am dyslexic i guess

mmm just looked it up, his wiki is sparse af, but it does say Jurten.

[green loom]

The DK guy, Jurten, has no last name

Ferik Jurgen is a Valhallan

[inland sigil]

Something similar, Jürgen is a german first name.

[crisp heath]

Jotun, Jurten, and Jurgen walk into a bar

[inland sigil]

Honestly Id assume alot Krieg are gonna be named after him.
Or similar to him as a show of respect or whatever, so why not lol

[crisp heath]

I mean the lore is kind of inconsistent on if Kriegers even have names

There's a few ways to make it all "add up". Some people think the rank and file are nameless, but veterans and officers get names as a privilege. I prefer to think they don't have names in an official sense, but they eventually start referring to themselves a certain way.

Either way, it's not like their parents give them names in memory of relatives or heroes

[arctic talon]

Krieg also isn’t like super German

Beyond the naming convention

Fucks sake the dkok cosmetics we got have a British styled coat lol instead of the usual French one

[inland sigil]

I always think of it like in Star Wars where its like "Oh hello my name is CT-73828 but just call me brooks" or whatever

Germany WW1 afaik

[arctic talon]

Aesthetically krieg is just a mish mash of the western front

You have a German helmet and naming convention, French coat, British-esque gas mask

[inland sigil]

I mean tbf I see the designs of coats and masks vary alot with adaptations

[arctic talon]

More modern designs tend French

Is more so what I mean

[inland sigil]

mhm!

[arctic talon]

7e onwards they def made the coat much more French

[crisp heath]

Krieg just look like Krieg. Even the parts of their outfit that are clearly inspired by certain armies aren't historical recreations, but you can shift around details in a certain way that you'll always recognize them as Krieg

[inland sigil]

I heard it used to be ww2 till people cried too much.
Heck my old toxic aah friendgroup called me a- yk what for liking them lmfao

[crisp heath]

They don't really look like anything in particular

[arctic talon]

Nah WW2 era Germans are Armageddon steel legion lol

[crisp heath]

Nah Krieg was originally an alternate paint job for the Armageddon Steel Legion, which were and still are straight up nazis

[arctic talon]

They look like Afrika Korp Germans

With like vaguely American goggles

[crisp heath]

Krieg got popular and their design was made a bit more distinct

[arctic talon]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/6/63/Armageddon_Steel_Legion_Trooper.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130530043324

[inland sigil]

I see, well I am not surprised, they were iliterate and idiotic af.
But thats interesting to know coming back to the topic!

[arctic talon]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/3/3e/Armageddon_Steel_Legion_Trooper_2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160403200656

[inland sigil]

I do have a armageddon suit ingame but I never knew it was straight up just ww2 nazi germany.
Aint my area of expertise lol

[arctic talon]

Also the fact they uh

[inland sigil]

Yeah I can guess.

[arctic talon]

Have a favored tactic

That is totally not blitzkrieg

GW is very subtle I know

[crisp heath]

Armageddon is really just the planet GW puts all the nazi stuff on huh

Orks, Steel Legion, Templars

[inland sigil]

Ive learned that as soon as I heard about the dark eldar for the first time.

[crisp heath]

Really a bad neighborhood

[arctic talon]

Lol

[inland sigil]

[arctic talon]

Now it’s half daemon planet

[inland sigil]

For the better I suppose

[thick cedar]

What is the likely hood of a guardsman getting their dick bitten off by a khorne worshipper mid combat

[arctic talon]

very unlikely

you're wearing body armor

and not naked

[thick cedar]

dont they have like

super jaws

[arctic talon]

and also statistically speaking about half of all guardsmen are women

[thick cedar]

because khone empowerment

[arctic talon]

They have a fucking sword

[thick cedar]

ya but

[arctic talon]

They are going to chop your head off

[thick cedar]

sometimes you just feel like biting, ya know

[jade holly]

Nazi in terms of design?

Because those people need to pick up a history book

it’s clearly WW1 German themed not WW2

Steel legion on the other hand I haven’t seen

[normal light]

Okk…

[jade holly]

Ahhh, now that’s the Hugo Boss uniform right there

[normal light]

?

[jade holly]

Hugo Boss was the man who designed the German uniforms during WW2

[normal light]

I think Mordian Guard look more Hugo Boss then other regiments

Like change colours to black and grey

[jade holly]

I’m gonna be honest

[normal light]

Here you go

[jade holly]

That looks more French

[normal light]

I think it’s because of colours

[jade holly]

Which you could argue is still reminiscent of the design since France was controlled by Germany for majority of WW2

But Krieg?

No

People who say that’s Nazi are idiots

[normal light]

Krieg is just straight out WW1

[jade holly]

Exactly

[normal light]

AND FUNNIEST THING IS THAT THEIR COAT IS FRENCH

[jade holly]

And neither Fascismo (Fascism) nor Nazism were even made at that time

[normal light]

Like Coat that they use is French

[jade holly]

those came about during the Great Depression period

Steel Legion on the other hand

Yeah that’s straight outta Germany 1940’s

just a different color

[thick cedar]

The Big Sad

[jade holly]

I mean

You’re not wrong

But it meant Depression as in economically

When the value of everything went to crap

[jade holly]

Got so bad in Germany it was cheaper to burn money than to buy fuel for fires

[jade holly]

The ideologies not the uniform

[normal light]

Oh , then I agree

[jade holly]

Hell the Depression is probably the only reason those ideologies really gained traction

Same reason as to why Communism didn’t immediately kick off in Russia, the nation was doing fine enough until WW1 started

[normal light]

Not so much

[jade holly]

I mean yeah there were a couple of other caveats

Like Germany yeeting Lenin back into Russia to shake things up over there

[normal light]

Before WW1 there was a revolt in 1905-1907 which brought back something like parliament

[jade holly]

Oh you meant the doing fine part

[normal light]

After a lose in Russo-Japanese War

[normal light]

What Doing fine?

It eventually was shut down

[jade holly]

Yeah I may have forgotten to expand the period of what I said

Should’ve said was going fine until Nicolas II showed up

[storm jungle]

Steel Legion's german coding eroded over time and people didn't really pick up on them compared to Krieg.

[normal light]

Still 50/50

[storm jungle]

Krieg much more fill the "fascist soldier in perfect uniform with gasmask and cool weapons" tropes to a T

its why their fans can be really bad lol

[jade holly]

Which is hilariously ironic

[storm jungle]

Legit lol

[normal light]

Big bloodbath and a lot of bad things happening

[storm jungle]

theres a reason people love Helghast

https://tenor.com/view/helghasts-gif-27644476

[normal light]

True

[jade holly]

Personally

I blame Hugo Boss

[storm jungle]

tho in this case they are literally nazi coded

so kinda different i guess

[normal light]

It most likely that they resemble bad guys

[storm jungle]

yeee

[normal light]

Perfect Bad guys

[storm jungle]

with Helghast thats the point

with Krieg GW toes the line

since they are "WW1 Nations in space"

[jade holly]

Isn’t the Commissar design rooted in a Communist theme?

[storm jungle]

Nah

the name commissar yes

[normal light]

Also I love Helghast uniform choices

[storm jungle]

but their outfit is more european officers

[jade holly]

Yeah true

[storm jungle]

yeee

they are more political officers

[dire thunder]

Okay

[jade holly]

You know what would be a cool design?

Space Marines themes after Persian culture

[dire thunder]

So there’s a huge arguement in General some bozo is saying Horus winning would’ve wiped out Chaos

[normal light]

Technically Commissar’s are political officers

[dire thunder]

And that the Gateway project would have never finished lol

[jade holly]

Winning The Heresy?

[dire thunder]

Yes

[jade holly]

Bruh

How do we tell him?

[dire thunder]

And then they tried to say I knew nothing about the lore

[normal light]

Like it’s their point

[storm jungle]

I know

thats what im saying

💀

[normal light]

[storm jungle]

[jade holly]

Personally I’m surprised the Kriegers aren’t more inspired by Russian WW1 soldiers

[dire thunder]

Commisars are there to be badass dudes in fights

[jade holly]

After all ever heard of the Siege on Osoweic?

[storm jungle]

They are political officers in lore

so its the same thing

[dire thunder]

“Hey fight or I’m putting a bolt round through your skull you coward”

[jade holly]

Better known as the Attack of the Dead Men?

[normal light]

Would be funny to see guardsman squads lead by commissar’s standing behind the main line and shooting deserters

[storm jungle]

Also thats the sign of a bad commissar

[normal light]

I know

[storm jungle]

and they dont tend to live long 💀

[little falcon]

Ciaphas Cain lesson here

[jade holly]

Mfw we had literal Kriegers irl at that battle and the Kriegers aren’t designed after them

Honestly I’d rather the bandaged and wrapped up face than the gas mask to add to the horror of them being.. they are cloned right?

I’m not crazy about that?

[storm jungle]

Kinda

[normal light]

True

[urban spire]

the soviet commissars wore olive drab, they just looked like officers

[storm jungle]

They arent clones

[green loom]

He didn't, the company just made them

[storm jungle]

they are just mass-produced from vitae-wombs

[little falcon]

Vat grown

[normal light]

Difference is blue cap

[storm jungle]

so they dont look similiar to each other

[green loom]

Confirmed recently to be clones of Jurten iirc

[dire thunder]

@undone ridge go ahead and explain how Horus winning the Heresy would end Chaos schizo

Since I don’t read the lore

You won’t come in here and say that

[storm jungle]

Yeah GW went on it like

3-4 times?

"So they are clones?"

[green loom]

That's the weird Alpha Legion theory

[storm jungle]

"Yes"

"No"

[green loom]

That the fkn uhh

Cabal gave them

It effectively meant

"Oh it'll end humanity and deny chaos a real win"

[jade holly]

Like tell me this wouldn’t make more sense for a group devoted to a cause to the point where death is seen as the ultimate forgiveness

[green loom]

Or something

[jade holly]

Besides the generic gas masks

[urban spire]

what the fuck is that

[jade holly]

Man literally coughing up their lungs and blood just to chase you down and kill you

[storm jungle]

Yeah but they make no sense as a regiment

[jade holly]

That is the Siege of Osowiec in WW1

Where the Germans gassed out the Russians to try and take the fort

[storm jungle]

Like are you gonna make an army of guardsmen who are all dying of lung-cancer?

[jade holly]

The Russians got up, wrapped their faces up

And charged

Through the gas

[green loom]

Also I don't think coming into another chat, @ing someone and calling them a schizo over 40klore while there's a discussion going on is exactly appropriate

[storm jungle]

its an idea that sounds good on paper before you try to put it to lore and have it made sense

[normal light]

Typical Forge World Regiment

[storm jungle]

Literally london fr

[urban spire]

skitarii vanguard

[green loom]

That's the Skitarii's job fr fr

[jade holly]

I was thinking of the more visual department, it would add to them seeing themselves as failures and death being the only way to make it up

[normal light]

I live in industrial city

[jade holly]

Mf boutta become an Iron Warrior fr fr

or was it Iron Hand

Fuck I mixed them up again

[normal light]

Lot of mines , chemical plant outside and couple of factories

[little falcon]

Daemonculaba 🫤

[urban spire]

dont bring that up

[green loom]

This is an in depth guide on how to get a bolt round through your skull, basically

[normal light]

Stop

[jade holly]

Should I be thankful I have no idea what this means?

[little falcon]

Yep do not search it up

[normal light]

DO NOT CHECK IT

[green loom]

That's the theory yeah

But like

[dire thunder]

They’re calling me names but won’t come in this chat where you guys know about lore

[green loom]

As I said

I mean they're not wrong

[urban spire]

it's a piece of extremely shitty writing

[green loom]

But I don't think they know exactly what that whole shebang entailed

[dire thunder]

Horus did not want to wipe out humanity

[jade holly]

You know curiosity is gonna eat away at me, give a general, simplified SFW description so I don’t have the urge to look it up

[green loom]

But that would've happened if he had won

Is the deal

[urban spire]

it's NSFW inherently so

[dire thunder]

The Chaos Gods would literally not allow it since their main food is Humanity

[urban spire]

my like not safe for life

[normal light]

Fucked up way to produce Chaos Space Marines

[jade holly]

Oh

[green loom]

Chaos gods don't give a shit

lol

[normal light]

Apparently used by Iron Warriors

[dire thunder]

Also no he wanted to snuff the influence of the God Emperor since he was a liar

[gloomy citrus]

But only by Honsou and his buddies.

[jade holly]

#Lorgarstarteditall

[dire thunder]

That was the whole big thing about the Horus Heresy was the emperor betrayed and lied to the Primarchs about outer powers

[dire thunder]

True

[gloomy citrus]

And thankfully so.

[green loom]

No no you aren't understanding me, humanity dying is the consequence, that's what the Cabal told the Alpha Legion

[gloomy citrus]

Kor*

[storm jungle]

Its a thing from a space marine book where some Iron Warriors on a desolate planet tried to find a way to make new chaos marines and basically their idea was pumping innocent slave women full of drugs and enlarging their stomach to birth new "aspirants" before they break out of the stomach, they then re-stitch it and start the process all over again, was made by a chaos lad named Honsou.

It obviously failed and our Ultramarine protagonist was traumatized by this experience seeing all this shit happen on what was suppose to be his penance mission.

Its a very fucked up part of lore but there's a lot of much worse examples out there, people just regurtitate the hell out of it like a joke and it kinda has become a dead NSFW horse at this point.

[little falcon]

Alpha Legion do it the right way, at least
As Fabius Bile is also... strange

[green loom]

It's why they're so elusive on the whole loyalty front and why they kinda play both sides

Sorry

*played

[jade holly]

What

[storm jungle]

Yeah its very stupid

[jade holly]

The

FUCK

[gloomy citrus]

And apparently there were some guardsmen who dealt with it and were not traumatized like Ventris.

[little falcon]

Alpha Legion is divided as there is true loyalists among them

[median marsh]

mind you Dilara is giving a brief rundown of how it is, its described as so much worse

[normal light]

Death Guard recruit the old way

[green loom]

There aren't

[storm jungle]

Ventris literally got stitched inside one of said stomachs.

[jade holly]

Alpha is Traitor

[storm jungle]

^

[green loom]

Like

All the named ones we know of are

[jade holly]

Feels pretty obvious to me

[green loom]

Pretty outright treasonous

[jade holly]

9 loyal and 9 traitor

[gloomy citrus]

That's actually worse than just seeing it.

[median marsh]

it felt like horror for the sake of horror

[little falcon]

From the last book

[green loom]

You mean the brainwashed Alpha Legionnaire who kills the one loyalist guy?

[jade holly]

Also can we get an F for Sanguinis

[green loom]

Pech isn't imperium aligned anymore

If he was in the first place

[dire thunder]

Yea but the Cabal also sucked

[jade holly]

I’m guessing Orks have their own groups like how SMs have their legions?

[storm jungle]

Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

The fandom loves trying to show Alpha as "Are thye loyalist or not? What a mystery! ;)" when they are just straight up chaos marines.

30k plays with the idea of them serving both sides but most 40k fans entirely ignore this and just keep huffing copium that they are secretly loyalists, by M41 theres basically no loyalist Alpha Legionaries left lol.

[jade holly]

Are they called Clans or something?

[green loom]

Yeah that's why they were going to enact the loyalist contingency thing before they got stopped by
A single psyker

[jade holly]

I just think alpha looks stupid overall tbh

[median marsh]

Orks have different Klans yes

Blood Axes, Goffs, Evil Sunz etc

[jade holly]

What if I want to be da biggest Ork?

[green loom]

"What do you mean this mutant that can read minds was able to dig out our contingency codes that we're all brainwashed with?"

[median marsh]

you have to crump everyone bigger than you

and grow even bigger

[arctic talon]

Alpha legion is like completely traitor by 40k

[little falcon]

Well in the last book it is clearly said they are divided and not all thinking the same, even saying some remaining loyalists

[dire thunder]

Well blame Omegon for being a stupid simp

[jade holly]

And gather teefs?

[arctic talon]

The alpha legion by 40k with alpha legion colors are traitor

[green loom]

That "last book" was also over ten thousand years ago

[jade holly]

Alpha Legion is Vsauce, the Legion

[dire thunder]

He went and joined Chaos basically cause he thought the Emperor wanted him to

[median marsh]

you cant hoard teef technically

[arctic talon]

any alpha legion post heresy most likely went blaack shield

[normal light]

They had good rules 😢

[versed lagoon]

I agree

[jade holly]

I am Alpharius, but what if, I wasn’t?

[dire thunder]

Aren’t their still Alpha Legion loyalist tho

[jade holly]

Vsauce theme plays

[green loom]

I don't think we know anything about what Omegon does, we know Alpharius is dead and was trying to swing the war the traitor's way, and after he died the AL fucked off on their own

[median marsh]

Ork economy is lowkey hillarious, everyone has a source of income (their teef change very frequently) but its also impossible to hoard wealth because the teef rot

[storm jungle]

So to break it down,

Basically every faction has their equilavent of a Chapter/Legion.

• Necrons got Dynasties
• Marines got Chapters
• Guard got Regiments
• Sisters of Battle got Orders
• Orks got Clans
• Mechanicus got Forgeworlds
• Knights got Houses
• Eldar got Craftworlds

etc etc, basically its this way to allow you to make your own homebrew factions within said factions and let you play around with them for tabletop and homebrew, its why its perfectly crafted in such a way to let you have your own fun without being too cringe (even though some people still fall to this hole at times lol)

[green loom]

Not in 40k

[little falcon]

When they they do the great meeting it shows a lot of different states of mind

Some are full chaos some are opposite

[dire thunder]

Explain

[green loom]

The one "loyalist" alpha legionnaire people keep referencing in 40k is the leader of the redacted

Who is

Just deluded lol

[jade holly]

I knew about the craft worlds one at least

[storm jungle]

Yeah every faction has an equilavent

[jade holly]

They’re the big ships that can make stuff right?

[arctic talon]

The Redacted are like traitor as fuck lol

[green loom]

Ikr

[dire thunder]

Why have I heard their being groups of Loyalist Alpha Legionnaires

[arctic talon]

they aren't chaos but they're absolutely traitors

[green loom]

People are stupid

[arctic talon]

Fan lore that isn't canon

[green loom]

VERY stupid

[arctic talon]

People come up with crap and telephone gets played

[jade holly]

Because people want Alpha to be some weird mirror image showing both sides or something idfk

[arctic talon]

and then something false gets seen as canon

[green loom]

Yeah someone reads

"I am helping the imperium by massacring the weak links!"

[jade holly]

Imo they should’ve gone more into the hydra theming

[green loom]

And that translates to

"omg loyalist"

[jade holly]

Have it be so that the more of their legion you kill the more come back

[normal light]

Does Alpha align to one Chaos God or they are Undivided?

[dire thunder]

You know it’s kinda stupid why most of the traitor legions are traitors

[green loom]

Warband dependent

[jade holly]

I doubt they even know who they follow anymore

[normal light]

Daddy issues

[gloomy citrus]

Officially undivided.

[dire thunder]

Like the main 4 factions of the chaos gods are so fucking dumb

[jade holly]

Word Bearers are all four I think

[green loom]

Well most of them killed most of their loyalists and those that didn't die outright died after the fact

[arctic talon]

Word bearers are undivided

[storm jungle]

Craftworlds as the name implies are basically massive continent/planet sized ships, when the Eldar Empire was going full psychopaths they were the smart ones that realised they had to get the hell out before a horrible catacylsm happened (which it did and it lead to the creation of the Eye of Terror as Slaanesh was born).

Craftworlds are more or less every seperate eldar doomsday preppers' homes, they basically have every thing they need to survive as a society or to relax/chill, its the most paradise-like locations on 40K and you can kinda understand why each individual craftworld and its eldar would lie down their lives defending it.

I'd explain more but the chat is going super fast rn

[normal light]

I know

[dire thunder]

I wish the Eldar never attempted to kill Angron

[jade holly]

World Eaters are Khorne, Thousand Sons are Tzeench, Emperor’s Children are Slaanesh, and mah bois the Death Guard are for dear old Papa Nurgle

[arctic talon]

Angron prolly would have still gotten captured

[green loom]

Word Bearers purged the legion long before Istvaan, EC, DG, IW and SoH killed all theirs there

[dire thunder]

I would fucking kill to see loyalist Angron and Khorne

[arctic talon]

but

meh

[dire thunder]

Nah he would’ve fought the slavers off

[jade holly]

So quite literally a crafted world

[storm jungle]

Yep

[dire thunder]

He killed the Eldar assassins

[gloomy citrus]

Lorgar didn't even need to purge, since they were all fanatically loyal.

[dire thunder]

There’s no way Slavers would’ve one upped him

[jade holly]

Loyalist Khorne?

How tf would that work

[dire thunder]

Yes

[arctic talon]

he would have been able to fight off the first wave of slavers

[green loom]

Night lords were kinda psychopaths anyway so being given a blank cheque to murder anything and everything was like candy to them

[dire thunder]

Crazy for the good guys

[arctic talon]

but what about the second or third group that most likely got sent

[green loom]

TS are obvious lol

[little falcon]

Alpha Legion is not a legion or a chapter now
They are divided on hundred of groups from different sizes

Each group doing its own thing with its own views

[jade holly]

I just like Papa Nurgle the most cause he’s oddly the most wholesome chaos god

[dire thunder]

Trust me Angron would’ve been fine

[jade holly]

man’s just proud of his children and grandchildren

[gloomy citrus]

So are the Iron Warriors (kinda).

[normal light]

True

[dire thunder]

There’s a lot of theories about loyalist Angron

[green loom]

A lot of dumb theories

[arctic talon]

Alpha legion is like prolly the most shattered traitor legion

[jade holly]

Nurgle seems like the only chaos god you could hold a somewhat fragment of a conversation with

[dire thunder]

I think the World Eaters have the most tragic backstory

[arctic talon]

but they're traitors through and through nowadays

[green loom]

Coincidentally made by a lot of people called "Kharn"

[gloomy citrus]

Emperor's Children and World Eaters are also pretty shattered.

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[jade holly]

Also I love playing tanks and Death Guards are like the ultimate tanks

[arctic talon]

Emperor's children are an absolute clusterfuck of a legion rn

[dire thunder]

Sorry I meant Kharn my phone autocorrected lol

[arctic talon]

with no orginization lol

[normal light]

Most of Traitor Legions are shattered

[jade holly]

And Mortarion is just so damn cool

[storm jungle]

You need to read Lords of Silence

[little falcon]

Alpha Legion is the only legion to stay out of eye of terror too

[gloomy citrus]

The only really coherent legions are Iron Warriors and Word Bearers.

[jade holly]

I mean look at him

[arctic talon]

Nah not to the extent of the Alpha Legion

[arctic talon]

Death guard are pretty coherent

[gloomy citrus]

And the Night Lords.

[dire thunder]

Mortarion is a pleb

[jade holly]

Ironically doesn’t Papa Nurgle hate Mortarion?

[green loom]

The biggest tragedy of the World Eaters is Angron not dying

[storm jungle]

Unironically this lol

[dire thunder]

“I can’t kill this poison fuck waAah”

[normal light]

What is there in general?

[gloomy citrus]

And the librarians?

[little falcon]

They avoid it too ? Why ?

[arctic talon]

chaos corruption mostly

[storm jungle]

Really good Death Guard book, really well written too and one of the few novels they actually have.

[arctic talon]

but some don't really care

and go all in on the kool-aid

[dire thunder]

Angron dying would still in my opinion cause the World Eaters to go Traitor

[arctic talon]

there's a lot of night lord raptors

and warp talons

[green loom]

Hardly, weren't they fairly well adjusted pre Angron?

[jade holly]

If I was able to add ONE thing in Darktide, Death Guard raid boss

[normal light]

Need get one

[arctic talon]

but there's warbands who hate chaos corruption

[dire thunder]

I think the only way to stop the World Eaters from going traitor is the removal of the Nails

[arctic talon]

despite being chaos corrupted themselves

[green loom]

Like their not-so-insane loyalists seem nice-to-good

[arctic talon]

The nails were because they wanted to be like Angron

[green loom]

They

[little falcon]

Kinda like Alpha then

[green loom]

Didn't have the nails until angron lol

[arctic talon]

it varries™️

[gloomy citrus]

Warp talons are the perfect units for the Night Lords.

[arctic talon]

but some love that warp juice

[jade holly]

They did it out of solidarity didn’t they?

[green loom]

They wanted their papa to love them

[storm jungle]

^

[jade holly]

Should’ve just joined Nurgle

[dire thunder]

I meant like the Nails never existing

[jade holly]

Papa Nurgle loves all

[green loom]

To offer a weird comparison, it's like having an estranged father who you've never met, and he's missing an arm
So you chop your arm off as well

[storm jungle]

thats

pretty much it

[little falcon]

But Slaanesh

[storm jungle]

[jade holly]

Ew

Why would I want excess feelings

When I could be with warm welcoming Papa Nurgle

[dire thunder]

Slaneesh is Khorne but on Steroid change my mind

[jade holly]

Tzeench is just a troll

[crisp heath]

Nurgle is absolutely better than Slaanesh

[dire thunder]

Well actually not on roids cause they suck

[median marsh]

😦

[gloomy citrus]

Slaanesh is on all kinds of substances.

[dire thunder]

Slaneesh sucks

[jade holly]

Man’s does whatever he wants cause change

[median marsh]

; v;

[crisp heath]

I don't care about the overhyped "happiness" or "love" a lot of people associate with nurgle, I just want to be able to vomit 12 feet horizontally

[little falcon]

Changeling ❤️

[gloomy citrus]

In both meanings.

[jade holly]

Fitting Slaanesh got the worst Legion to go with em

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-boomer-left4dead-zombie-gif-15486232

[green loom]

Idk I like EC

[dire thunder]

Isn’t their Primarch Fulgrim?

[green loom]

A shame their only character is Lucius

[jade holly]

Yes

[gloomy citrus]

Before Laer they were some of the best.

[jade holly]

Mr Perfect Personality

[dire thunder]

Fulgrim is actually the worst Primarch