40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

What format do you like the most, short or long?

[rose thorn]

Beloved void breachers <343

[solemn wyvern]

I would like to get more in-depth lore tbh so long is fine

[weary bane]

Long form is so nice but I always fall asleep to em

[weary bane]

Solar auxilia tickles meh fancy

[storm jungle]

https://www.youtube.com/@Luetin09/videos

https://www.youtube.com/@ArbitorIan/videos

I'd say avoid Bricky for now, not really the best presenter and more focused on memes than actual lore.

[cosmic pine]

Also this goes deeper into the space marines https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae2Beeleswc

[storm jungle]

it doesnt

he spends like 5m on each chapter and moves on

[cosmic pine]

the bacics

[weary bane]

Fun fact, apparently the solar auxilia Carnodon tank is being brought into the 41st millenia

[storm jungle]

I mean kinda? Bricky still doesn't explain a lot

[cosmic pine]

Also I'm not really good at focusing soooo

[versed ledge]

Voidsmen would be more master at arms rate, or ship security, though. Unless they also serve as navy riflemen

[weary bane]

Tasks marines do on naval vessels

[cosmic pine]

Also i would rather not listen to a guy go on and on with a monotone voice for hours at a time

[storm jungle]

I mean thats just you.

so

[cosmic pine]

You right

[weary bane]

Monotone narrative is pretty boring ngl

[forest orbit]

Execute em.

[versed ledge]

Or reading verbatim straight from the wiki

Don't get me wrong, that's also cool, but very cheeky

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats One Mind Syndicate alright

if Luetin was monotone he wouldn't have had such a massive following

[weary bane]

Monotone is just disengaging for the brain

You need to keep attention of listeners

[versed ledge]

I disagree, but again to each their own for this

[grave sparrow]

Luetin gives me fun professor vibes

like he speaks very eloquently but not overly professional

[plush mason]

yeah he very much sounds like a professor which is why my ADD hates him lol

[nocturne crest]

So here's an odd question, but do you think it's odd that the Imperial Fists have the most chapters that believe the emperor is a god?

[storm jungle]

Because writing

also Sigismund being a indoctrinated nutcase and spreading his religious teachings to the Fist successors.

[ember reef]

How tall is scar brand ?

[storm jungle]

10 metres+

[nocturne crest]

Weird thing is that the other templars, red and white, aren't mentioned about having the same views.

[green loom]

White templars aren't fists

Is probably why

[storm jungle]

oh

thats what they meant whoops 💀

[green loom]

And do Red Templars even have lore lol

[arctic talon]

No

Lol

[storm jungle]

Based 40k Lore Moment

[plush mason]

lol

white templars are the ones that are just black templars with an inversed color scheme right?

and honestly i have never heard of the red templars

[versed ledge]

So what's the effective range of a lasguns?

[plush mason]

well in 40k at least kek

[plush mason]

varies by the pattern and model iirc

[green loom]

Never enough to effectively hit the enemy

[plush mason]

lol

[weary bane]

The only ones who actually do shit for the imperium that isn't blindly Crusading whatever the next xeno near them

[plush mason]

what heresy is that? competency ?! not in my imperium!

[weary bane]

I'm sorry but who's chapter master got pp smacked by g-man again?

[plush mason]

?

idk i was just making a joke lol

[jade holly]

Does the Salamander Space Marine Sa’kan exist in lore or was he just made for Pariah Nexus

[arctic talon]

He’s just some random Intercessor they came up with

[jade holly]

Damn

I liked him

I wonder what the least liked legion is by the fans

[arctic talon]

Emperors children by far

[jade holly]

Really?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[jade holly]

Horus’s boys?

[arctic talon]

No

Fulgrim

[jade holly]

Oh

[arctic talon]

Black Legion also get shit on quite a bit

But not as much

[jade holly]

Oh yeah cause Horsus’s is the Sons of Horus

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Which then became the black legion

[jade holly]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

Or are you talking about 30k

Specifically

[jade holly]

Just in general

I know nothing about 30k

[arctic talon]

Yeah prolly black legion or emperors children

[jade holly]

I’m sticking with learning the Humanity stuff for now

[weary bane]

Iron warriors most based

[jade holly]

I’m guessing most liked is like the Blood Angels or the World Eaters?

[weary bane]

[jade holly]

I myself am an Imperial Fist and Salamander enjoyed

[arctic talon]

Most liked prolly like

Salamanders

[jade holly]

And for the Chaos side it’s Death Guard

[arctic talon]

And people have a weird obsession with the iron warriors

No offense to iron warrior fans

[weary bane]

Salamanders most liked because of their humanity, but lamenters if they were utilized more would easily trump even them

[jade holly]

Those are…. Perturabo’s boys right?

[arctic talon]

But there’s a lot of people weirdly obsessed with them

[arctic talon]

Yep

[jade holly]

The one I have no understanding of is the Alpha Legion

Who tf are they sided with

[arctic talon]

They’re traitors

[jade holly]

And why are they all Alpharius

[weary bane]

Lamenters would easily be the most favored in the fandom if they were a more front standing chapter in the lore

[jade holly]

[arctic talon]

In 30k they were pretty fragmented

[weary bane]

They just don't get enough publicity

[arctic talon]

In 40K 99.9% of them are traitors

Any loyalist alpha legion post heresy either went black shield or integrated

[jade holly]

Is the gimmick of Alpha Legion just Identity theft or something?

And that they may or may not have two primarchs

[weary bane]

It's a big ass "or is it" cliche

[arctic talon]

They have 2 primarchs

100%

One of them is dead as fuck

The other is alive

[weary bane]

Not even done well, gw overcomplicated them and made it so convoluted it became annoying

[jade holly]

So basically Doctor Doom’s Doombot sort of thing but with real humans

[weary bane]

Rather than mysterious

[arctic talon]

Alpha legion “fans”

Are insufferable

[weary bane]

Or is he?

[arctic talon]

And don’t make an effort to learn the lore of the legion

Which is pretty cool

[jade holly]

I still think either World Eaters or Death Guard are the coolest chaos legions

Then again I am a big robot enjoyer

So Iron Warriors do seem pretty cool

[weary bane]

Remember canonically alpharius could transfer himself between his legion through some ritual bs

[arctic talon]

Regarding what they specialize in it’s espionage and armored assault

[jade holly]

So is fighting the Alpha Legion basically fighting the Deacons of the Deep in Dark Souls 3?

[arctic talon]

Omegon sensed alpharius’s soul died

[arctic talon]

No

Not really

[weary bane]

Or did he

[arctic talon]

Nowadays they really like cultist uprisings

They’re also super fragmented

[jade holly]

I like Salamanders for their human care and the fact they look cool but I like The Imperial Fists for their function of just DEFENSE

[weary bane]

Dawg I only like alpha legions concept and the overall theme

Otherwise I hate em

[jade holly]

Also the Black Templars

[weary bane]

Cause they're convoluted as fuck

[arctic talon]

The best stratagey as alpha legion in the Horus heresy

[jade holly]

Black Templars is a chapter of Imperial Fist right?

[arctic talon]

Is to spam terminators with Alpharius and tanks with a bunch of guys inside with shanks

[arctic talon]

Yeah they’re a sucessor chapter

[jade holly]

Cool

Idk if there’s a Primarch I straight up hate but there are some I couldn’t really care to learn more about

[weary bane]

Black templars are the nutjob cousins of imperial fists and their successors

[jade holly]

Like Fulgrim is just there, Lorgar, Magnus, lotta chaos primarchs now that I think about it

Angron would be generic if his backstory weren’t interesting

[arctic talon]

Kill maim burn

Kill maim burn

[weary bane]

G-man pp smacked their chapter master for being so hard on for an ork warboss

[jade holly]

As long as we all agree the coolest primarchs are the ones in charge of the 2nd and 11th legions

[arctic talon]

lol

[weary bane]

[arctic talon]

We know one of them prolly got got by something necron related

Other one is a ?????

[jade holly]

What is the deal with those two anyway? Was it a sort of community make a legion thing that got dropped?

[weary bane]

What?

[arctic talon]

Nah just meant to be mysterious

[weary bane]

Where that insinuated

[arctic talon]

Gets mentioned by fulgrim

In one of the HH books

[jade holly]

I still find it weird Corvus is a loyalist

Given he looks

Ya know

[arctic talon]

He looks fine

He’s a hypocrite tho lol

Considering he hates slavery

[jade holly]

I mean in the sense that he’s all dark and edgy looking

Honestly I think Mortarion looks the coolest

I mean a plague ridden SM looking mofo with giant ass moth wings and a scythe?

[barren ether]

Tf where is that ever stated.

[arctic talon]

I looked back I was wrong

Lol

I checked I fucked up lol

[barren ether]

Lol I open the channel and I’m like “thems fighting words”

[jade holly]

Clearly Elit3 knows too much about the 2nd legion

he must be dealt with

[barren ether]

He is the lost primarch himself

Too dangerous to be left alive

[jade holly]

What lost Primarch

There are no missing legions

[barren ether]

Something something alpharius?

[jade holly]

I am Alpharius

Or am I?

Vsauce theme plays

[barren ether]

Everyone says I am Alpharius, but no one ever say how is Alpharius

[jade holly]

You see it’s actually very clever on GW’s part

Alpharius is Alpha and his brother Omegon is Omega

The beginning and end of the Greek alphabet

And Greece preceded Rome which had the gladiator puts

And one such gladiator was Spartacus

[barren ether]

Well yeah Games Workshop isn’t known for their subtlety lmao

[jade holly]

And he lead a rebellion

[green loom]

Yeah you know

Like Corvus Corax

[jade holly]

And to save Spartacus many other gladiators stood up and said “I am Spartacus”

That means Alpharius is actually a revolting warrior slave

[barren ether]

I do like the alpha legion. However I wish they’d turn down the silly mind game shit and give us actual tangible information on them

[green loom]

He's revolting alright

[barren ether]

Well the Old Ones plotline in the Horus heresy definitely screams pseudo freedom fighter

“We will kill god to prevent god”

[jade holly]

I still think the best naming was Ferris Manus of the Iron Hands who leads the Iron Hands who’s name is Latin for Iron Hand and he just so happens to have an Iron Hand

[spare osprey]

That the whole council thing?

[barren ether]

Council of Nikaea?

[spare osprey]

Nah

Trying to think of it

[green loom]

Corvus Corax means Raven Raven iirc

[barren ether]

You’re talking about the cabal right

[spare osprey]

That’s the one

[barren ether]

Where the alpha legion essentially killed off the last known old ones. That’s a very short summary considering there were other shenanigans involved but yeah

[spare osprey]

Yup yup

[jade holly]

Reminds me of My Hero with a dude named Testu Testu Testu Testu who could turn into Iron

I’ll let you guess what Testu means

[spare osprey]

Ik the bare minimum for the cabal

Old one, Eldrad, artificial perpetual making, watchers in the dark members of the cabal.

[barren ether]

And all for it to be forgotten by the siege of terra lmao

[spare osprey]

Yup

[barren ether]

Such an inconsequential plotline

But man it’s cool. Damn James Workshop always creating fascinating ideas and almost never following through

[jade holly]

What would you all say are the major plot events in 40k?

Obv the Horus Heresy

[barren ether]

War of the Beast, even though the books are regarded as shit by and large

The Imperium was in a relative golden age until the war of the beast

[jade holly]

Does the Necrons waking up count as major?

[weary bane]

@arctic talon yeah only necron related stuff horus heresy I've seen ensinuated was ferrus' hands and the robotic monster and stuff

I'm not trying to prove you wrong, I saw your comment

I just too lazy to find it again to reply

[arctic talon]

Nah

You’re right lol

[jade holly]

What is Magnus’s legion called again?

And Lorgar’s

Word bearers?

[arctic talon]

Thousand sons for magnus

Word bearers for lorgar

[barren ether]

Eh maybe? Thing is the Necrons operate on a scale of hundreds of thousands of years. The imperium will probably be long gone by the time the Necrons fully awake

[arctic talon]

^

[jade holly]

I still can’t get over how Magnus looks like Radahn from Elden Ring lmao

[arctic talon]

Necrons eeepy

[barren ether]

The Silent King is back but I don’t think that he really gives a fuck about the imperium except for biotransferrence

[spare osprey]

War of the beast, Macharian Heresy, age of apostasy

[jade holly]

Never forget the time Leman Russ picked a fight with the Emperor unknowingly and got knocked the fuck out

[arctic talon]

He doesn’t give a single crap about the imperium yeah

He’s busy being worried about nids and the giant fucking hole in reality

Big surprise I know

[barren ether]

Essentially he returned because he’d rather not have potential meat be consumed

[jade holly]

Didn’t the Grey Knights have a cease fire with the Necrons at one point?

[spare osprey]

Maybe the second war for Armageddon

[barren ether]

Well the Necrons aren’t a hegemony. There’s a lot of nuance with different Necron lords and how they approach species they see as lesser

[arctic talon]

They have a cease fire with most xenos factions at some times when useful

When they don’t need to fight

Their goal and job is exterminating daemons and fighting chaos 99.9% of the time

[barren ether]

I gotta respectfully disagree. We hardly see Necrons fight daemons. Most of the time they are just kicking kids off of their lawns

[jade holly]

Necrons are hilarious imo

[arctic talon]

Necrons barely do it because it hasn’t been an issue for them

Till the great rift

And even now they just don’t really care either bcs pylons

[weary bane]

Most sane reasonable necron tbh

[jade holly]

Cold logical robots who just want to get people off their lawn and deal with their own shit

[spare osprey]

Probably most action they’ve taken was in their alt timeline campaign for battlefleet gothic

[barren ether]

Yes the Necrons and the C’Tan are real space only, and their material is adverse to the warp, but they already fought the war in heaven and they went to sleep because they were literally losing

Well kinda

[weary bane]

Necrons hate 2 things

[barren ether]

They just figured it wasn’t worth the effort

[weary bane]

Warp, and tyranids

[jade holly]

I’m pretty sure everyone hates Tyranids

[weary bane]

As both are the most adverse to their desires

[arctic talon]

They aren’t really cold and logical often times

Tbh

[weary bane]

Nah they HATE tyranids

Tyranids want to leave the galaxy stripped bare

[arctic talon]

Necron nobility is very very prone to uh

Issues

[jade holly]

I find it hilarious the race the Tyranids can’t steal from hate the Tyranids the most

[barren ether]

Biotransferrence is a hell of a drug

[weary bane]

They'd steal their chance at being mortal again

[jade holly]

But at least they can’t steal their jeans

[weary bane]

Fair

[queen laurel]

Yeah that is proven by the celestial orrery dynasty needing to f*** off somewhere else in order to avoid getting everything blown up because of how violent necrons are

[barren ether]

Which is why the silent king came back. Or partly at least. He’s like a jealous kid who doesn’t want to share his toys with anyone else

[weary bane]

I find it funny the necrons have a device that literally could delete a sun for fun

Don't use it cause balance

[arctic talon]

It can delete anything i think

[barren ether]

Yes the Celestial Orrery

[weary bane]

Delete a sun would delete anything tbh

[queen laurel]

It alters the universe just by touching it

[arctic talon]

The sun explode part

Is the uh

Most well known bit

[jade holly]

Wouldn’t it make more sense to say delete a star?

[arctic talon]

They’re currently in a war with another necron dynasty who wants to use it to kill a bunch of people lol

[jade holly]

Since the sun is a star

[arctic talon]

They don’t want it to

But yeah

[weary bane]

Sun is sun

[arctic talon]

Wait nvm I’m dumb

I misread what you said lol

[barren ether]

I can’t blame them. Imagine waking up to a bunch of methheads fighting in your back yard, and your former neighbors fucked themselves to death

[jade holly]

Also the war of the beast was against Orks?

[arctic talon]

But yeah it blows up stars

Yes

It

Is not good

Don’t read it lol

[jade holly]

Bruh

[barren ether]

Yes

[spare osprey]

I’d probably go back inside and make a sandwich tbh

[queen laurel]

If you pushed star in the celestial orrery it just straight up causes a supernova

[arctic talon]

I don’t know a single person who likes it

[jade holly]

How tf is that one of the biggest events in 40k

[spare osprey]

Sounds like something out of a David Bowie song

[arctic talon]

Because they held the imperium at gun point

[weary bane]

But also butterfly effect

[queen laurel]

So anything around the vicinity of that shit is going to disappear

[jade holly]

would make more sense if it was the first wear between the loyalists and the Traitors

[barren ether]

Right? Crack a beer and take another nap

[weary bane]

Deleting a celestial object messes up the balance

[arctic talon]

Also the birth of ynead

Is a big event in 40K

Shame they didn’t get born at full strength because of the death watch lol

[jade holly]

You think the Orks would like Rob Zombie

[weary bane]

Death Watch being based as always

[queen laurel]

Like the necrons come straight up blow up a star near terra and the imperium is dead

[spare osprey]

Almost destroyed terra

[weary bane]

Oh 100%

[jade holly]

Orks?

[spare osprey]

And Vulkan came back

[spare osprey]

Yup

[jade holly]

What

The

Fock

[barren ether]

Well then he disappeared lol

[spare osprey]

It was a big deal man

[spare osprey]

As one does

[queen laurel]

War in the beast my guy war on the beast

[weary bane]

Orks literally held Terra hostage with a moon sized rokk didn't they?

[barren ether]

Correct

[queen laurel]

An orc straight up taking a punch from a f****** nova cannon

[jade holly]

Bruh

[queen laurel]

Yes that consumes planets in order to increase its mass

[jade holly]

I like to think Vulkan is just chilling waiting for his scavenger hunt to finish

Like he could come back at any time but chooses not to

[queen laurel]

Fuckin orkimedes

[arctic talon]

An entire army and primarch struggles to kill the beast

Turns out there’s a bunch more

[queen laurel]

Smartass son of a git

[jade holly]

Wait wait wait

[arctic talon]

All the beasts die to vindicate

???????

[jade holly]

The beat was an asteroid

[weary bane]

The beast was several "beasts" weren't they

[arctic talon]

Incredible

[weary bane]

All the size of gargants

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[queen laurel]

They literally had to pull a b******* with the sisters of silence just to kill them right

[barren ether]

Well he has intense ptsd from the Horus heresy. He only came back during the war of the beast because there was no one else to help

[arctic talon]

And the rest of them died to vindicare

Because uhhh

War of the beast was shit

[jade holly]

I’d rather take 5 rounds with Mortarion

[arctic talon]

The premise is great

Shame it was uh

[queen laurel]

They're only 10 m

[jade holly]

Than read War of the Beast

[arctic talon]

Horribly botched

[weary bane]

What states that

[spare osprey]

Ehhh I thought the beast himself was around that size

[weary bane]

They're well larger than primarchs "In a transmission, he was estimated to be the size of a hab-block; The Beast made even Nobs appear as mere children in his presence and his mouth was filled with tusks the size of tree trunks."

[spare osprey]

Cause they mistook him for a statue

His nobz were like warbosses tho

[queen laurel]

That's just the basic assumption because they assumed he was yes as silent said a statue that was just massive until that motherfucking thing moved, and the smallest of boys in his warband are the size of Nobz

[barren ether]

Vulkan is literally a perpetual who was stabbed with a fulgurite shard, who died, but was then brought back to life by the sacrifice of his favorite son. On top of that Konrad Kurze tortured his sons in front of him, while also parading around Ferrus mannus’ corpse. Dude has ptsd.

Anyways this chat is moving too fast I already know this is a random comment

[weary bane]

I'm sorry but 32 rucking feet is pretty damn big

Average human is 6 feet

[jade holly]

Didn’t Vulkan break Dorn’s back with a hug?

[queen laurel]

Brother orks grow infinitely, if you can't kill an ork during its younger years, you could theoretically find an environment where it can grow to the size of a warlord titan

[nocturne crest]

So do all the iron hand successors believe in the flesh is weak mantra?

[barren ether]

It’s a meme. However he did give strong hugs. He essentially inherited the emperor’s humanity and empathy

[weary bane]

Orks grow based on the fighting

Not infinitely through time

More fighting, more difficulty, the more they grow

[queen laurel]

Yeah so find the place where it can fight so much it can grow to the size of a warlord titan

[jade holly]

Was he also like the biggest Primarch?

[weary bane]

Which is why orks love tyranids

[barren ether]

Aside from Magnus who was a biomancer

[arctic talon]

I think magnus is taller

Then vulkan

[jade holly]

Magnus doesn’t count

Magnus is dumb

[arctic talon]

But magnus’s height varies

[weary bane]

Nothing in the universe of a scale to justify such a beast

[arctic talon]

But he normally was taller then the other primarchs

Even if he wasn’t like

As Buff

[queen laurel]

It's a theoretical scenario that can happen

[weary bane]

In theory if all things happened sure

[queen laurel]

Again orks literally keep growing a long as they keep surviving

And fighting

[barren ether]

Magnus was arguably the strongest primarch due to the fact he was second only to the Emperor in psychic might

People shit on Magnus but the dude was literally a demigod even among the primarchs.

[arctic talon]

Every time Magnus loses it’s like

Almost always deus ex machina

In 40K

[barren ether]

Well yeah that’s the irony to his character

[jade holly]

Nah he just loses because it’s all part of the Plan

[arctic talon]

He literally got the attention of fucking khorne during warzone fenris

[jade holly]

Everything that happens is happening because Tzeench wills it to happen

Just watch, his plan will reveal itself

[arctic talon]

And got his chest smashed in by an axe that was a khornate one the space wolves had “purified”

[weary bane]

Tzeench is the worst chaos god igaf

[arctic talon]

Because khorne still uh

[weary bane]

Idgaf*

[arctic talon]

Somehow was able to influence it

?????

[weary bane]

Tzeench is an asshole to BE an asshole

[jade holly]

I’m team Khorne and Nurgle all the way

[arctic talon]

I hate that stupid axe

[barren ether]

He’s a daemon primarch, of course he’d receive the attention of chaos gods

[jade holly]

If I had to pick a chaos god

[queen laurel]

The imperium literally has a collection of deus ex machina on their side, space marine legions that can appear of thin air, titans capable of crushing anything underneath it, extremely dangerous super weapons that are just hidden somewhere in that planet because you know imperium

[jade holly]

Slaanesh is too horny for my liking

[queen laurel]

They have a lot of ways to bullshit their way out of a situation

[weary bane]

Thank the age of technology for those marry sues

[barren ether]

Dude that’s just fucking memes lmao. Slaanesh is the god of excess and perfection in all things, not just sex

[weary bane]

Always a secret doomsday weapon hiding in some backwater world

[arctic talon]

Axe of morkai is stupid

I hope when Logan becomes primaris he loses it

[jade holly]

Yeah well sex seems to be the most excess she’s got

[arctic talon]

Khornate axe made by the blood god

Somehow purified

???????

[queen laurel]

Also torture because to them torture is drugs like you want a very good looking body get ready to make a protein shake out of the bodies of 500 orphans

[weary bane]

Trigger word said

Incoming "slaanesh isn't only sex"

[arctic talon]

It’s usually drugs

[jade holly]

Uh oh I’m in for it now

[barren ether]

Yeah not even close. If you actually read the books you’d know otherwise

[jade holly]

[weary bane]

I mean any sense of experience can be done to excess

Some mutate for better smell

To "enhance" such experience to excessive degrees

Some their touch

Literally all senses

Some of the strongest drugs in existence are natural ones our bodies make

Unlock the limiters on them

[barren ether]

Lucius the Eternal for example is a chosen follower of Slaanesh. His excess? Dueling. He seeks out the toughest combatants and when he dies Slaanesh fucks with his killer and reincarnates him

[queen laurel]

Bastard has a f****** hack

[jade holly]

He must get reincarnated a lot

[queen laurel]

You literally feel the slightest amount of pride and anyway including him he will take over you

Like the mine worker was just making mines all day and he got the wrong end of the stick

He was proud of making mines so the mine that killed lucius belong to him and so the curse targeted him

What kind of whack shit is that

[weary bane]

Uhhhh, it's pride in killing him, not pride in general

[jade holly]

In other news fuck Fulgrim

[barren ether]

Eh

[jade holly]

Idk what he did but he probs deserves this

[queen laurel]

Yes pride in killing him so even necron can be affected

[arctic talon]

tbf

it was a lychguard

They have personalities still

[barren ether]

Fulgrim didn’t corrupt Lucius. Lucius chose to betray his battle brothers on his own

[arctic talon]

Immortals and above start having some level of personalities

[weary bane]

Fuckin SWORD

[arctic talon]

also yeah the traitor Emperors children thought Lucius was a loyalist lol

[jade holly]

What about Rylanor

[arctic talon]

he also was for a while lol

[jade holly]

Who was that

[barren ether]

He was considered a loyalist on Isstvaan and betrayed his brothers. Fulgrim didn’t do that lol

[weary bane]

Rylanor based

[arctic talon]

Emperors Children Dread

he died

nuking Fulgrim with a virus bomb lol

[jade holly]

Lmao

Did it work

[weary bane]

Not just nuking him face first with one

[arctic talon]

Fulgrim is a daemon primarch

so no

[jade holly]

Damn

[weary bane]

The true wound was when FIRECTLY FACED WITH FULGRIM, he still told him to eat shit and hurt his pride

Directly*

[arctic talon]

tbh

[jade holly]

Bruh so the best way to hurt Fulgrim is to insult his perfection?

[arctic talon]

Fulgrim is intresting

[arctic talon]

He's very vain

[weary bane]

Essentially

[arctic talon]

he doesn't take anything seriously

[jade holly]

I noticed

[arctic talon]

He literally has been partying non stop on his own personal pleasure world

for like

over 10,000 years now lol

The Emperors children barely care about him nowadays

[jade holly]

And this is the mf that killed Sanguinis?

[weary bane]

No

Horus killed sanguinius

[queen laurel]

Does slaanesh even plan to tell him to get off his ass

[weary bane]

Maybe

[jade holly]

Good I was thinking of someone else

[arctic talon]

No

he's still active in the great game most likely

in some form

[weary bane]

Apparently now we are on standby for a theory of if it's true anymore or not

[arctic talon]

Fulgrim is like

by far the laziest of the god aligned Daemon Princes

[jade holly]

Isn’t Rogal Dorn also being retconned to just be missing and not dead?

[arctic talon]

A while ago

like

back in 3e lol

[weary bane]

Been retconned a while ago ywah

[jade holly]

Something tells me they don’t like killing off Primarchs

[weary bane]

Well they're ways to bring money to the game

I mean remember sanguinius has been dead for a while, but now he's some voodoo ghost in the blood jusr waiting to be revived I guess

[jade holly]

So which chaos Primarchs have demon forms now?

Angron

Magnus

Fulgrim?

[weary bane]

All of them

[jade holly]

Perturabo

Oh

[weary bane]

Well

Not omegon?

[jade holly]

Does Omegon even really count?

[weary bane]

Dude has the LEAST shit about him in the current time

[jade holly]

For all we know it could just be Alpharius in disguise

[weary bane]

I have no trust in gw's writing of the two

Cause it's beyond the most convoluted "or is it" bs I've seen in my life

And I fuckin play destiny

[jade holly]

I stopped playing Destiny because the seasonal model broke me

[weary bane]

Least they wrote savathuns lies and truths shit with some reasonability

[jade holly]

And actually made some of it come true

Like the power to move the planets

which you do in the Root of Nightmares raid

[weary bane]

Technically yeah

I love technicalities

That mess with their assumptions, but in a good way like

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-2-root-of-nightmares-lightfall-disciple-the-witness-gif-15714594593320992912

[weary bane]

"Oohhhh"

[jade holly]

We have Mortarion at home

Mortarion at home:

[arctic talon]

Lol

[jade holly]

Dude I can’t get over how cool Mortarion looks

I want his model not even to play the tabletop

I just want it cause it looks cool

[arctic talon]

no one goes as hard as Rhulk

[jade holly]

https://tenor.com/view/rhulk-disciple-of-the-witness-rhulk-kicked-ratio-destiny2-gif-25063797

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny2-the-witch-queen-rhulk-vow-of-the-disciple-raid-gif-25105179

[jade holly]

POV: you’re a guardsman fighting a chaos marine

[arctic talon]

Rhulk shits on any 40k character

Aint nothing stoping consuming darkness x10

[jade holly]

How would Doomslayer fare in 40k?

[arctic talon]

have a great time

[jade holly]

He’d prob mainly fight the Chaos Marines if anything

[arctic talon]

He'd love killing everyone lol

[jade holly]

Not really

Doomslayer hates demons specifically

[arctic talon]

yeah

but he's also doom guy

he punched out his CO for firing on civillians lol

Guess what the imperium loves

[jade holly]

Imagine a Doomslayer given powers from the Emperor

Double blessed by deities

[arctic talon]

Rhulk is great tbh

even if he's prolly the cockiest mf'er alive lol

well guess he isn't alive anymore

[jade holly]

Calus had the attitude

Also in that one mission it sounded like Calus said he had no bitches for us

Even tho he said riches

[arctic talon]

Calus has the attitude but he can't hold up lol

[jade holly]

But he was voiced by Darin de Paul

[arctic talon]

Rhulks biggest weakness was literally his own overconfidence lol

[jade holly]

That accounts for like 10 bonus points there

[arctic talon]

Oh don't get me wrong Calus is great

but imo the point is he talks huge

but he can't back it up fully

[weary bane]

"I have no riches for you"

Me: no bitches?

[jade holly]

I blame the shoddy rushed writing of Lightfall

He deserved a better end fight

[arctic talon]

nah

I think it would be a bit weird if he was as strong as Rhulk

[weary bane]

Cringe dumb silver surfer fist bumping over calus death DIRECTLY INFRONT OF HIS DAUGHTER

[arctic talon]

his fight is like

fine

his death is also fitting

imo

[jade holly]

Tbf his daughter wanted to kill him too

[arctic talon]

He gave up what made him strongest

his independence

His style

He just became a slave to someone else

[jade holly]

Meanwhile Nezarec being around was a complete accident

[arctic talon]

He let go of all his oppulance, his gluttony

[arctic talon]

mfw the traveler fucked up

[jade holly]

Nezarec was prob real damn grumpy being woken up like that

[arctic talon]

tbh

[jade holly]

Mf was just a head

Too

[arctic talon]

I like his combat music a lot

[jade holly]

Oneirophobia goes hard

[weary bane]

Still her father

[arctic talon]

Onerophobia's DPS phase music goes hard

[jade holly]

But nothing beats Dust Giants Redux

[weary bane]

She loved him in a way still, he wanted to end his madness

Just like calus truly loved his daughter in the end

[arctic talon]

I'm sad we didn't get the like

Calus dissection scene

For him becoming a disciple

[weary bane]

Deciple*

[jade holly]

You mean a disciple

[weary bane]

Yeah that word

[arctic talon]

I'm dumb

lol

[weary bane]

I wanna say I called the witness and pyramid ships ever since their introductions

[arctic talon]

his original design in concept was better imo

the like

Golden puke

fits so well

[weary bane]

Me: what if the pyramid ships were made bt some species that were left by the traveler and they got upset wanting to undo everything it did and destroy it?"

I was pretty on the money and I'll suffer forever for not having saved proof

[jade holly]

Mfw Destiny is all about Existentialism vs Individualism

[arctic talon]

I think its nice

the overarching themes are great

[jade holly]

Yeah but I bet Destiny gonna die real fast after TFS

Especially since they’re working on Marathon

[arctic talon]

tbh

we got the 3 chapter things

then no clue

they're saving Xivu Arath for post lightfall almost certainly

[weary bane]

Vex is definitely a post finale thing

[arctic talon]

there's 0 chance we aren't going to enter her throne world even if she's been separated from it

Vex and The Nine

[weary bane]

The nine yep

[arctic talon]

both feel like they're being saved for post final shape

[weary bane]

The nine especially

It's an internal solar thing

[jade holly]

Meanwhile Xivu Arath

[weary bane]

Cause they're the solar system literally

[arctic talon]

Xivu is coming to cave our skull in lol

[jade holly]

Mfw Bungie gave up on making lore so they turned a fan theory into the next season

[arctic talon]

Oh

its gona be an Ahamkara wish lol isn't it

[jade holly]

Maybe

[arctic talon]

Riven's heart is sitting on the fucking console

in the HELM

[jade holly]

Idk if they flat out said a fifteenth wish

Or just one last wish

Wait

[arctic talon]

its just Wish

[jade holly]

Where am I getting that from

[arctic talon]

the final tarot card is called Wish

[jade holly]

[arctic talon]

We're absolutely going to be making an Wish to an Ahamkara lol

question is if its Riven(She's still living in our head)

or did we miss one in the Great hunt lol

[jade holly]

Bruh

Mara Sov literally has an Ahamkara egg next to her in her throne world

But back to 40k

What was Space Marine 1 about?

So I can prepare for Space Marine 2

[arctic talon]

oh god we're raising Riven's kid next season aren't we

[arctic talon]

Marines go to defend Forge World against Ork Waaagh, turns out chaos planned it!!!! and are trying to claim a power source that was made by someone thats incredibly powerful, fight chaos, Titus destroys the device but somehow survives the warp energies, and then Leandros rats him out to the inqusition instead of telling the chapter

end of story

[weary bane]

Inb4 basic plot line of SM2

"Chaos guided the tyranids to the world" type bs

[arctic talon]

;p;

[weary bane]

Also Leandros a RIGHT BITCH

Fuck that mf

[jade holly]

I just want a Warhammer game where I can play as or against the Death Guard and Mortarion smh

[arctic talon]

but unironically Riven of A Thousand Voices is still living inside our skull lol

[jade holly]

I wanna see Mortarion in motion

[arctic talon]

can we like

get her out

[jade holly]

[weary bane]

Destiny is a game, canon

[arctic talon]

or at least make her pay rent

[weary bane]

Both savathun and ahamakara confirmed it

[arctic talon]

I do not want a Wish Dragon living in my skull

Also the Emissary of the nine

[weary bane]

Yep

[arctic talon]

inb4 the Gardener and Winnower actually exist

[jade holly]

Man

[arctic talon]

and the Witness's species got it right lol

[jade holly]

I cannot get over how damn cool Mortarion looks

[winter vessel]

Stinky Boi

[crisp heath]

What do y’all think the biggest boss of the new space marine game is gonna be?

I know we won’t be fighting the big swarmlord guy cause he is also a named character

But like what’s the biggest thing they can throw at us and still kinda make sense for a named, helmet-less space marine to kill

[jade holly]

Isn’t said named, helmetless SM also a Primaris?

[crisp heath]

Can they make regular marines into primaris?

[jade holly]

Idk

[crisp heath]

I know he was around before they were a thing

[jade holly]

I just heard someone say in the comments of the trailer that he got a Primaris upgrade

Or something like that

[arctic talon]

Titus is primaris yeah

and you can also make normal primaris

Swarmlord is a punching bad

*bag

but GW is trying to stop that lol

[crisp heath]

I thought swarmlord was that guy of the tyranids

[jade holly]

Is it bad that I just want a nice, high detail collectible figurine of primarchs?

[weary bane]

Swarmlord is a BL writers punching bag for named characters

[weary bane]

Didn't see that lol

[crisp heath]

That’s kinda sad he’s sick as hell

[jade holly]

I wonder if Roanoke Ghillie Suit will show up in SM2

[weary bane]

Mentioned probably, show up? Nah

[crisp heath]

End of the game is just power tripping as the bureaucrat king

[jade holly]

I mean Titus is a part of the Ultramarines

[arctic talon]

he is but he's also a massive punching bag lol

[crisp heath]

The lion might show up

[jade holly]

Roboto’s bois

[crisp heath]

He’s the guy who does the killing I think

[arctic talon]

doubt it

they aren't in nihlus

[crisp heath]

I feel like I don’t know enough 40k lore to make any actual statements on anything honestly lol

[jade holly]

Man GW could easily make a profit by doing high detail figurines

Not even for game play just for collectible purposes

[crisp heath]

Gw doesn’t want to make a profit, they want the war, and toy sales to go on forever and break even every time

Their goals are beyond our understanding

[weary bane]

joy toy?

[thick cedar]

Is there any lore about how a psyker feels when casting lightning? Or how they go about going "i want to shoot lighting at that"

[celest dome]

It would depend on the psyker

[thick cedar]

like a sanctioned psyker

[celest dome]

Still would depend on the unique Psyker. They all feel the Warp differently

[warm tinsel]

Is it just me or is the beast series ass

Talking about Vulkan dying but isn’t he basically unkillable except by fulgurite

[weary bane]

okay but

this image goes FUCKIN UNBELIEVABLY HARD

[celest dome]

Fulgurite ?

But yesnt he can die but he will regenerate

[weary bane]

Fulgurite can kill perpetuals

or well

"its claimed to do so"

idk if it was like, proven factually capable of such

the 40k fulgurite is from the emperors psychic lightning

[celest dome]

I though you meant like the Electro Monks

[weary bane]

fulgurite is a real thing

[barren ether]

Vulkan was quite literally killed by fulgurite, so yes fulgurite can factually kill perpetuals in 40k

As I mentioned earlier, Vulkan was killed by fulgurite, then brought back through space magic because plot reasons

[ember reef]

How tall and heavy is scar brand the exalted one ????

[shadow plover]

He's a big big boy

[urban spire]

yes, that's the only way to make primaris marines in fact

[celest dome]

Bloodthirster are between 10 and 20m (taking out exception)

[queen laurel]

this part got me thinking for people who want to change their personality in dark tide, isn't sefoni a super powerful psyker, so she should be able to rattle your brain around and and change your personality right

[weary bane]

Not permanently

It's suspected to be able to permanently do so

But as we see

didnt

[barren ether]

Yes permanently. It was only through the sacrifice of numeon and some other magic fuckery that he was brought back

[weary bane]

so it didn't permanently nor did it remove vulkans perpetual state

If the effects can be reversed, that defeats the purpose of permanent

[weary bane]

No it isnt?

Primaris are an additive on the space marine process yes, but you don't need to FIRST be a firstborn

Firstborn can cross the Rubicon or whatever

But new primaris can be made from the start of the process

[weary bane]

Technically brain wiping is a thing that exists so, could just wipe your entire personality easily

They tend to do so ironically for tempestuous scions

[weary bane]

The only true definition of permanent would be in the sense such as horus' PERMANENT death

[urban spire]

the difference is kind of academic isnt it

[celest dome]

For ease of use just plop it on Kral. It's just that it's not a priority

Making a Primaris still will result to a First Born type SM if its stopped at the correct time

[weary bane]

Your implication was you first had to be firstborn

[queen laurel]

yes, krall is the character editor guy so you can just have that one place in his office be a chamber connected to Sefoni, and you know he's pretty good with biology I'm pretty sure he can alter your voice

[weary bane]

Which is incorrect

Also due to the process it is hardly likely firstborn are being made anymore

Primaris only from now on

[urban spire]

the primaris stuff is so weird

[weary bane]

How so?

[urban spire]

why do they exist

i mean, i know why they exist

it's for tabletop reasons

that's what makes the lore weird

[weary bane]

G-man commissioned cawl to

I forgot the specific specifics

But cawl had cheat codes due to his absorption of whatever that one dudes name was

[urban spire]

i know that, but that's an in-universe explanation

i mean what purpose do they serve in the story

[weary bane]

"Hope in the grim dark"?

Advancement of the story?

[urban spire]

but space marines were already the peak of peaks where posthuman warriors are concerned

[weary bane]

Have you read the lore when chaos first fought against primaris

Primaris were DAWGING on em

Considering the intent of primaris was to just be physically better than firstborn

Of course skill comes a massive way

But on the playingfield of equals, a primaris has advantage in most regards

[urban spire]

loyalists were already clowning on chaos

we've had regular unaugmented humans obliterating csm for decades

[weary bane]

It was something else. Forgot the book it was in

But like

Chaos space marines were doing some shit, and they ran into primaris marines

And they were like "tf these guys bigger, unknown armor Variants, different weapons, fast and strong and resilient"

It caught them off guard iniitally

It also was a moment of advancement for the imperium that broke such a long standing level of stagnation in the lore

[urban spire]

in italy

[weary bane]

I'm at the store

[urban spire]

rofl

hate to get ambushed by primaris marines in italy

[keen fiber]

Lore masters, i am new to darktide, why does my zealot dislike psykers?

[urban spire]

the imperial faith is very xenophobic

[weary bane]

Psyker=witch
Zealots of imperial faith abore the witch

[keen fiber]

I thought the emporer was a psyker?

[urban spire]

yes he was

[weary bane]

Considering the warp is akin to literal fuckin super hell

[urban spire]

it's also very hypocritical

[weary bane]

Oh trust us we know it's hypocritical to a massive degree

But tbh the emperor is the only guy I'd trust with free reign of the warp abilities

Humans have a tendency to uh

be seen by daemons

And a greater daemon will dunk on an unwitting psyker any day

[keen fiber]

thanks

[weary bane]

Psykers also in the earliest days were like walking time bombs, especially unsanctioned untrained ones

Risk =/= reward there

[queen laurel]

Psykers are both useful and dangerous, yes they offer a lot of benefits but if they lose control of their power it's common for them to destroy anything in the area

[weary bane]

Almost relatable to the daemonhost, except unintentional

As daemonhosts be created through a ritual

Possessed I guess is their sister variant

[arctic talon]

Possesed usually don’t have psychic powers the way daemon hosts do

[wispy rover]

@crimson grove Behold

[crimson grove]

This is just a 4 headed axe

[weary bane]

Where's asmodai

[wispy rover]

This somehow is more effective than a normal axe

[weary bane]

Asmodai needs a more effective way to make mf repent

[urban spire]

strange way to spell less

[wispy rover]

I'm not joking

by tabletop rules back when these had them

they had higher stats than chainaxes

[arctic talon]

Asmodai is shit at making people repent

He’s only made 2 fallen repent

[urban spire]

i mean i guess i'd hate to be hit by that

but probably not more than a regular chain axe

[arctic talon]

This honestly is more of a chain like mace/maul

[crimson grove]

It's because 4 head > 2head so obviouslt better

[urban spire]

if someone asked me if i'd rather be hit by that or a regular chain axe i'd probably say that, if only because there's a decent chance the wielder will grievously injure themselves

[wispy rover]

There are other chainhammers where it's lik

[arctic talon]

Tabletop stats honestly are not what I’d take as lore accurate tbh

[wispy rover]

3 or more chainsaw blades side by side

[arctic talon]

Mostly since some stuff is super goofy

[wispy rover]

per head

[arctic talon]

Like Col Straken being able to punch a knight to death

[wispy rover]

Is this new editions

or old editions

[urban spire]

no thats accurate

[wispy rover]

because if given enough time he could probably do it

but the knight would kill him first

[arctic talon]

9e

He could punch a knight to death on the charge lol

With like

[weary bane]

I mean making any mf space marine do something against their will like self admittance is a pretty impossible feat

[arctic talon]

Mediocre rolls

[arctic talon]

Most interrogator chaplains that have been around as long as Asmodai have made like 5 to 6 repent lol

[queen laurel]

not the most ridiculous warhammer weapon to exist

[arctic talon]

Asmodai just fucking kills them

Most of the time

He’s a rabid dog

He literally forced everyone on the rock to only talk in combat because he heard some marines laughing

[weary bane]

i meaaannn

[arctic talon]

💀

[weary bane]

to make chaos astartes prefer death than be in his hands

kinda uh

good job there

[arctic talon]

No like

He just kills them

There isn’t really a choice in that matter

[wispy rover]

Don't forget the Chain scythe

[arctic talon]

He just kills them before he can interrogate them properly lol

Asmodai is like

Genuinely incompetent at being an interrogator chaplain

[wispy rover]

Depends

[arctic talon]

He’s incredibly good at being a normal one

And like

[wispy rover]

Are you actually wanting answer

or just

[arctic talon]

Committing violence

[wispy rover]

torturing for the sake of torturing

[arctic talon]

He genuinely wants an answer

He’s just way too violent

With his torture lol

He doesn’t know how to control himself

[wispy rover]

But yeah my favorite 40k weapon is still this

[arctic talon]

Tank busta hamma

[wispy rover]

Behold the Tankhamma

[arctic talon]

My beloved

[weary bane]

back then when orks were

REALLY

fuckin green

[arctic talon]

Ngl

That green did not look good across an entire army

[weary bane]

its toy soldier green

what you expect

[arctic talon]

Wrong gif

[weary bane]

my eyes

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-cope-warhammer-meme-shut-up-gif-24598622

[weary bane]

tbh glad they fixed necrons too

[weary bane]

glass tube guns

[arctic talon]

Do you want totsugeki Tuesday back

[queen laurel]

i've seen worse buddy

[arctic talon]

https://media.tenor.com/iLyccgezm1YAAAAC/guilty-gear-strive.gif

It’s not relevant to warhammer

It’s not funny unless you play like guilty gear lol

[queen laurel]

all i see is funny dolphin and i don't really give a crap

[arctic talon]

Lol

Dolphin is ambiguous and potentially + on block

So you can get locked in a corner lol

[weary bane]

it hurts my eyes

like trying to focus on a flipbook

[arctic talon]

Lol

But tldr to versions of a move are designed to look and sound almost identical

So it’s hard to punish

So you can mix up someone by using a lighter version and then a heavier one

Or just condition them into blocking

[urban spire]

there are two dolphins, you can react to one but not the other, but the startup on both is similar enough that if you try to react to the wrong one you get a cetacean to the face

https://youtu.be/I1NAF_n55DQ

and there's a lot of memes about that

anyway play guilty gear it's the best fighting game

[undone zodiac]

May players when they recieve eisensturm into the face

[crystal forum]

holy shit that's a lot of effort put into a shitpost

[crisp heath]

I play skullgirls but do it poorly

Play Parasoul, Filia and do it more or less correctly. Play Squigly and I button mash because only sociopaths can learn how to play Squigly

[thick cedar]

Which Space marine chapter pisses the loudest

[crisp heath]

World eaters

[queen laurel]

i thought you would ask a normal question but uhh

Probably the world eaters

They have the most disregard in rules

[crisp heath]

If we're going loyalist only, Marines Malevolent

[queen laurel]

also minotaurs

[crisp heath]

Space wolves is quiet but it's absolutely rank so that everyone knows it's their territory

[jade holly]

Out of curiosity, how healthy are the relationships between chaos gods and their followers

[queen laurel]

define healthy

Because a relationship with the chaos gods is not healthy

The most simple to understand would be khorne and probably the easiest and probably the easiest

[jade holly]

In terms of how the chaos gods treat their followers and Vice versa

because I just read about a Great Unclean One called Ku’Gath

And Papa Nurgle seemed oddly wholesome

[queen laurel]

Nurgle then, he's the most so-called caring of his followers

And each blessing that he gives them is apparently a way for them to a way to be happy

And he sees those who do not believe in his cause as blinded and being infected by that is him opening our eyes to a new point of view

[jade holly]

Well he may be many things

But heartless ain’t one

I guess

[queen laurel]

But just because he's pretty go happy doesn't mean that he can't pack mean punch

[jade holly]

[queen laurel]

even nurgle has limits, stretch them enough and you will understand that he is a chaos God

[jade holly]

If I vomit on my Nurgle minis does that buff them

[queen laurel]

He might be nice on the outside but he is still the God of disease and decay

[median marsh]

Nurgle takes pride in accomplishments of his subjects and even would happily entertain guests but even his macabre "kindness" has limits, as did a group of eldar discover when invading his realm

[median marsh]

which means you in theory could go for tea time with Papa Nurgle if invited

which most likely will result in you becoming mulch

[green loom]

The tea will be liquid death plague

And you'll be dying on the ground for eternity unless you swear yourself to him

[median marsh]

yup

however he will be nice about it the entire time

especially if you manage to tell him an entertaining tale

[green loom]

It's like if I tied you to a chair and blew out both your knees with a shotgun
But I'm not calling you names or anything I'm just telling you about last week's game

[median marsh]

now i picture nurgle in a rocking chair with a (very corroded) double barrel

GIT OUTTA ME GARDEN

[rose thorn]

ight imma do a raven guard successor chapter, probs flame hawks or knights of the raven. or that one thats like, depression sadists

i cant remember who it was

[misty widget]

Excoriators? The fist successors?

[versed ledge]

Do you guys ever wonder if imperial units just shut out sister of battle and over zealous priests from comms during combat?

"SUFFER NOT THE XENO TO LIVE" being cried out thousands of times on open channels

[weary bane]

100% it happens

[versed ledge]

Can imagine that could be very annoying for someone in active combat

Imagine leading a squad, and suddenly someone screams "FOR THE EMPRAH"

[rose thorn]

found it, storm wings

"The Emperor has no perfect servants, and so he must make do with broken ones like us."

[misty widget]

Nice