40k-lore-chat

[weary bane]

Charonite squads have been biochemically and cybernetically altered using ancient technologies, possibly of xenos origin, that have been deemed unholy by the Mechanicum. The result is a creature that will blindly follow orders, but which at the touch of a button will become a savage and near-unstoppable brute.

[outer wave]

I need this as a faction via a different methodology of weaponizing Ogryns

Just give me the Ogres faction

Give me Ogre junkers or something idk

[weary bane]

I just want plastic solar auxilia

Screw forgeworld

[outer wave]

We can do both

[celest dome]

Well we do know that some Ogryn live with the Orks. Could have it done that way

[outer wave]

Now thats based

[celest dome]

Ogryn are very much under utilised by GW

[outer wave]

That I agree

Imagine an entire legion of genetically enhanced Ogryn left to fend for themselves after their former handlers either passed on or forgot about them in a star system

Then those Ogryns making a name for themselves within said system after possibly eating and beating each other to death, then spreading out to do devious acts

Im sorry, I really like Warhammer Fantasy Ogres and I want to see them 40k'd

[weary bane]

Also

Legion of the damned need more story rime

Time*

[jade holly]

Wait Corvus is a Loyalist?

[green loom]

Yeah

[jade holly]

Bruh

My dumbass thought he was a traitor

I mean look at him

[green loom]

Smh

[jade holly]

Ngl I sometimes confuse Konrad for Corvus and Vice versa

[urban spire]

same

[weary bane]

Honestly yeah

Both are emo goth boys

Ones just a literal nutjob

[dry ridge]

so whats the lore on this guy here?

[weary bane]

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[winter vessel]

Does Pariah Nexus take place at the same time we saw the ninth edition trailer? I was never certain.

[weary bane]

Probably most likely

The animation is the same. The theme and scenery is the same

[spare osprey]

A while after

[weary bane]

It's definitely far into the conflict

[spare osprey]

I mean hell, the UM assault sergeant you see in the trailer is in the show

[weary bane]

People like "man space marine sucks got donked on by 1 necron?"

Ignoring several factors of disadvantage for the um

[versed ledge]

So what are the legion of damned space marines? Are they even still human/Astartes, or alive?

[weary bane]

Well they're sentient by all means. There is a named member who can speak and recruits new members using a relic item the name I forgot

They can be comparable to lesser daemons of the emperor

[winter vessel]

Its left up to Speculation. Some believe they were remnant the lost Fire Hawks chapter who perished in a Warp Storm. Others say they are the resurrected souls of deceased Astartes. More specifically, Those who were slaughtered at Istvaan III

[versed ledge]

Are they alive is the question? Like do they still bleed

[weary bane]

Pretty sure it's confirmed not the firehawks

Considering he literally brought "The Emperor summoned an army of loyal Imperial dead including Ferrus Manus that took the form of blazing avatars to fight the Daemons." during the war in the webway

Like could the firehawks be AMONG them?

[versed ledge]

Literal imperial daemons

[weary bane]

Sure reasonable theory

[versed ledge]

Why can't we use them more frequently

[weary bane]

No they don't bleed nor are they alive

[winter vessel]

Its why I like the latter. Space Marines long dead, now resurrected. Cus then I like to believe Rylanor's somewhere in that legion, itchin for round 2 with primarch Snakey Boi

[weary bane]

They do whatever is "in the need of the imperium" essentially

They don't take orders

Just show up for some reason or another, kill mfs, then leave

[versed ledge]

Show up in the thickest, leave when it's manageable

Yup, they're Astartes alright

[weary bane]

They don't communicate whatsoever beyond a single member who has been noted to recruit individuals to the legion of the damned

[versed ledge]

And I assume said recruits are no longer breathing in a normal sense

[weary bane]

Brother-Sergeant Attica Centurius

[arctic talon]

They’re daemons or warp beings of sorts

They all vanished

[weary bane]

He uses a relic called the animus malorum

[arctic talon]

When the cadian pylons got activated

[weary bane]

Anti warp would make anything warp have issues yeh

[arctic talon]

Yeah

They’re clearly not physical beings anymore

And their weapons act like daemon weapons

[weary bane]

They basically have infinite ammo

[arctic talon]

They cut through almost anything and cause long lasting injuries

[versed ledge]

With Cadia now gone, everything warp related is going haywire?

[arctic talon]

The great rift opened

With the fall of Cadia

[weary bane]

Cause while they visually function no different than their guns they used prior, they are entirely warp power based

[versed ledge]

So effectively their weapons can rip through anything and at the same time be the appropriate level of hate to destroy a target

[arctic talon]

They’re also incorporeal

Sorta

They’re more ghosty then the average daemon

[weary bane]

They have been reported as surviving many physical forms of attack

All the way up to volcano cannons

And their weapons even though bolters and shit, can rip into armored vehicles

Due to warp

[arctic talon]

They pretty much have inferno bolters that the thousand sons use

In terms of how they just rip through everything

[weary bane]

And essentially infinite ammo

Cause they've never been noted to reload

Essentially legion of the damned are by all accounts the most op shit in the imperiums favor minus the emperor himself

[versed ledge]

Is there a way to contain them? Maybe drop them for future use

[green loom]

Nop

[versed ledge]

Aww...here I was hoping to have weaponize ghost Astartes

[arctic talon]

They can just poof out of existence

[tropic blaze]

Guys do the death korps have their own commissars ?

[storm jungle]

Commissars come from outside Imperial Guard hierarchy

they get attached to regiments

[tropic blaze]

Ah cool I thought as much but I wasn't sure. all i know is that the krieg don't need commissars

[versed ledge]

They do, but rather than traditional commissars that execute out of cowardice, they're more like handlers to prevent Kriegers being too much like Kriegers when an order to retreat is issued

[tropic blaze]

Imagine getting that job on your first day as a commissar .

[versed ledge]

It's either Krieg or Catachan

For catachans if it's not the planet that kills, it'll be the Catachan that does it

[green loom]

No one mention imperial armour to this man

(retreating death korps gun down the commissars trying to stop them)

[jade holly]

Do Kriegers even like to retreat?

[storm jungle]

I mean they will when they must

they arent brainless morons

[green loom]

I'd almost say they're more likely to than most

Since they actually care about how they die

[storm jungle]

they got a whole to-do and not to do list on their persons deffo

[weary bane]

They're among the most dedicated to the cause

But they definitely arnt blatantly suicidal

As the memes make people believe

[storm jungle]

^

like in the kill-team trailer they are openly distressed somewhat

[crisp heath]

Lore accurate kriegers honestly seem to be dudes with mass produced autism

[green loom]

Aren't they clones of the guy who skorched earth-d the planet lol

[weary bane]

Their leadership however is brutally "means to an end" type

Life is a number no different than amml

Ammo*

It's a point of contention for other regiments being put under the command of a krieg officer

Cause like a cadian officer may be more empathetic, a krieg officer would not be

[green loom]

Idk cadians are pretty violent

[storm jungle]

Cadians are English so that makes sense

[weary bane]

I mean when it comes to ensuring casualties in your own men

[green loom]

I mean DK aren't about losing as many as possible, their dealing is losing as many as they need
Just dying isn't the point

[weary bane]

No but they are fine with acceptable casualties far more than other regiments

They will accept far more risk than most regiments

[plush mason]

DKOK sees all their soldiers as bullets and so do all the soldiers lol

they dont live and there for have no fear of death

they exist to be spent like any other munition

but ofc like all munitions they dont exist to be wasted

the best thing about 40k is that its a setting that can be used to tell just about any story under the sun

[jade holly]

Man the Emperor was actually a pretty flawed dude huh?

almost like he was human

[rose thorn]

a god with a god complex who hates god but wants to be treated like god lmao

damn i wish i could epxress my love for kamen rider in 40k

like , eldar are clsoe ig

[jade holly]

Mfw Horus Heresy occurred cause Daddy Issues

[crystal zealot]

Is Nurgle the corrpution god that makes all the zombie like creatures we see in game? Including Beast of Nurgle/Chaos Spawn/Plague ogryn? Also is the Daemonhost from the same god or is it completely irrelevant?

[jade holly]

Nurgle is the cause of the Dreg enemies we face

Idk the deal with DAEMONHOST

[crystal zealot]

By dreg enemies you mean all the zombie like ones and the ones with green pipes? Like the mutant and rager?

When i say zombie i mean the basic ones that come in horde

is the daemonhost just a psyker that went over 9000? xD

Cuz her whispers sound a lot like what psykers say when they vent

I noticed both say "Buzz" or "Buzzing" as well as "Get out of my head"

[queen laurel]

considering the green light that emanates from demon, it's probably a lesser demon inside

[jade holly]

No that’s Chaos Spawn

[crystal zealot]

Chaos spawn is a psyker?? o.o

[jade holly]

That’s what happens when a Psyker perils

[queen laurel]

it can be yes, a chaos spawn is an individual blessed by a chaos god to become a monster

[crystal zealot]

Is the plague ogryn the same? is he blessed?

[jade holly]

Man the loyalists are all pretty damn cool, idk which group I like the most

[crystal forum]

you dont have to decide

you can like all of them

[jade holly]

Yeah but if I were to ever make an army

Who do I choose

[crystal forum]

flip a coin

[jade holly]

The Salamanders? The Imperial Fists? Iron Hands? The 1st?

[queen laurel]

it's just heavily mutated by the power of chaos

it's not blessed

[crystal zealot]

oof poor ogryn

right?

or is it evil to begin with?

[queen laurel]

ogryns are easy to recruit and indoctrinate but they're also very easy to corrupt

Having simple personalities and all of that

[jade holly]

Unlike the DKOK who are apparently immune to the influences of Chaos

I guess they just love to die that much

[spare osprey]

the 1st

[crystal zealot]

Who are the DKOK

[spare osprey]

krieg

[jade holly]

Death Korps of Krieg

[queen laurel]

they are not, the death korps of krieg are human, loyalty does not equal invincibility to chaos

that's just the fans having eternal brain rot

[jade holly]

Then I must’ve heard wrong

I’m still trying to figure everything out in the lore

Hell I barely know what happens in the Horus Heresy

[spare osprey]

DA beat everyone the end

[jade holly]

Are the Dark Angels Lion’el Jonson’s?

[spare osprey]

yea

[jade holly]

Bruh

I’m stupid

I was trying to figure out who the primarch of the Blood Angels was

Turns out it’s the guy who’s name is Blood in Latin

[crystal zealot]

Zealots are just basic people? i read it says they had no training and they fiight using religious fervor? xD

RECIEVE THE EMPERORS MERCY!!

[jade holly]

They have God on their side

That’s all they need

[crystal zealot]

that's so cool xD i wanna be a zealot

[jade holly]

Welp

Find your nearest church

[crystal zealot]

In this world no thanks xD i wanna be a zealot in wh40k world!

[arctic talon]

the Plague ogryn is just filled to the brim with literal plague

and mutations

so yes they have been "blessed" by nurgle

most likely via a psyker or sorcerer pumping them up

[jade holly]

Isn’t there a theory that Tyberos is actually a Primarch in disguise or something?

[arctic talon]

No

he's too small

he's big but he's not huge

he's like a bit bigger then a primaris out of armor

and he almost gets killed by things that shouldn't challenge a primarch

[queen laurel]

do not believe that, he might be tall but size is not an indication of being a primarch

[jade holly]

I still his gauntlets are too much even in Warhammer

Claws, fists and chainsaws in one

that’s just dumb imo

[queen laurel]

bro that is actually a tame weapon

[jade holly]

And I usually like over the top things

[arctic talon]

his weapon is comical

[undone zodiac]

Also their name is peak E D G E

[winter vessel]

looks at night lords

[queen laurel]

yeah Hunger And Slake is peak edgy

[undone zodiac]

I remember reading from their book that their dreadnoughts border insane

[jade holly]

Besides Darktide and SM2, any other 40k games releasing to Xbox?

[winter vessel]

Ah Carcharodons, literally showed up outta nowhere and prepared for everything possible to make sure the Inquisition checks them out as loyalist. “Here’s our gene sees for you to test and our chapter’s history. Alright boys let’s let loose!”

[undone zodiac]

"Will you let us plunder and murder this other planet as reward?"

"...sure."

[rose thorn]

I love warhammer so much I just bought a starwars legion starter set

(I never seen starwars)

[undone zodiac]

Never?

[crystal forum]

[weary bane]

Wouldn't say he had a God complex

Some inquisitors had a bigger god complex than big e

He had an overall goal in mind for the total of humanity

God's are selfish

[weary bane]

Technically it was mostly chaos corruption. Horus was deadass fine and not gonna go so extreme without getting shanked

[green loom]

Late but yes, we'reprimarily fighting a Nurgle cult and the "poxwalkers"(zombies) and other beasties you see in game are their doing
The "dregs" are the cult proper(they're the guys with lots of yellowish green cloth), while the "scabs"(black/grey armoured military guys) aren't so god focused

[celest dome]

They still are Nurglite pledged as far as we know. But their design does make them seem like they were kept somewhat Undivided looking for future additions

[green loom]

Yep

They also avoid name dropping Nurgle

[celest dome]

They don't?

[green loom]

From what I remember hearing they say cries for the sixth or dark gods

[celest dome]

Huh. I think they do

[green loom]

Idk I don't remember ever hearing it

[normal light]

Six dark gods?

[celest dome]

For the 6th
For the Dark gods

Separate things

Though there are more then 4 gods

6th here is due to being from the Moebian 6th

[echo vault]

Usually there's lesser dieties, vashtorr hashut that deal

[undone zodiac]

Also one of the more questionable lore implications

Malal

[celest dome]

Malal no. Malice yes

Malal was never even in 40k

And not cannon in fantasy anymore

[queen laurel]

Even then malice is so background character heavy that you may as well forget him

[undone zodiac]

I just lump both into same as they are pretty much same beings

[queen laurel]

yeah but i suggest calling him by his real name because you don't want some random runt to just come up to you and go uhm actually

[undone zodiac]

No i prefer to waste their valuable time

[celest dome]

For legal reasons they arent

[undone zodiac]

I am aware

Ill still call malal cause it has better ring to it

[green loom]

Hey!

[green loom]

Not even legal reasons

David from Warcraft isn't the same character as David from Call of Duty

[celest dome]

Except Malal in warhammer is owned by someone that isn't GW

So it's easier to not allude to it by name

[green loom]

You say "in Warhammer" but he was gone before I was born and also replaced

[celest dome]

I mean Malal was never in 40k

[green loom]

Yeah and he was hardly in fantasy

[celest dome]

But he was, till the legal things

[green loom]

And then he was removed and replaced by Necoho and another guy

I should add he's a thing from

86

[undone zodiac]

Fine ill call him malol

[celest dome]

Zufasin

[undone zodiac]

George lucas 5th chaos god

[wooden ridge]

I hope not the kind who knocks the doors

I had an argument with me mate who tried to convince me that the game didn't have enough diversity in the class system.

He was a space-elf fan and I have never spoken to him again since then

But I am wondering if the game's narrative is open enough to introduce non-human classes?

[celest dome]

Not really

Like if they keep Penal origin, then its only human and abhuman.
If they introduce new origin, then you could see them introduce some Xenos, but it would be strange cause its the Inquisition

[odd palm]

Wait Darktide has a narrative? Could've fooled me

[wooden ridge]

As far as I know Inquisitors can have xenos in the crew 👀

[normal light]

I missunderstanded

[celest dome]

While yes, its not in the same way that the Inquisition has us

Like they have a couple of Xenos because they are useful and all

But they aren't in a high amount

[queen laurel]

in the first place we don't even know if the inquisitor who is the head of the operation would allow xenos

But probably unlikely

[green loom]

For one we're on Hereticus detail

So aliens aren't our ground

And Aeldari would have little reason to help

[queen laurel]

orks can be justified as somewhat of a mercenary but if they keep on fighting the same things over and over again they will get bored eventually

and tau are far away and would probably gain nothing in this exchange even if they make it into the planet and try to help

and these three are the only ones willing to help us

to a rare extent

[urban spire]

kroot mercenaries

[hasty plinth]

So what do we think is chasing wyrmwood?

I am thinking those little nurgle guys

[urban spire]

"You work for us and only for us from now on, okay?" said the tau
"Okay." lied the kroot

[green loom]

Probably just a pox hound or something

maybe possessed

[celest dome]

Pox Fly for me

Plague Fly

[urban spire]

they should put in more daemons

give us some tallymen

[hasty plinth]

Isn't that space marine?

[wooden ridge]

flying enemies is an interesting idea. I'd like to see that

[hasty plinth]

It would be issue is wyrmwood doesn't mention buzzing just lurking

[celest dome]

There are both CSM and Herald that are Tallymen

[hasty plinth]

Ah gotcha

[celest dome]

Still more likely than both a Lictor or a Sanctus

[storm jungle]

40k is already pretty MCU with the Horus Heresy and the Primarchs

the entire setting basically revolves around Space Marines/Primarchs for marketing and every other Imperial/Xenos faction kinda just lies on the dirt, been that way for decades at this point

its kinda the same with the GW animations too honestly, so not that much difference going on.

I mean they have

go look at r40klore every day for 5 minutes

its nothing but Primarch threads

[queen laurel]

for me personally i would rather have the warhammer universe be expressed in animation, pariah Nexus proves that as long as GW is willing to commit to actually good animation they can make something truly beautiful

[storm jungle]

Actually lets take a quick look now

Yep, didn't even scroll for 3 seconds

Liveaction is not viable

You guys need to realise GW does not like spending money

Animation is where Warhammer as a franchise lies

anything live action is impossibly too big budget

unless GW bites a leg and does a big investment and expects good returns its way too hard to pull as a production

It depends on how much they are willing to lend.

GW also does not like sharing its IP with anyone which is a bit 💀

[queen laurel]

Also there is the problem of people complaining that this guy doesn't look like this type of guy at all

[storm jungle]

I mean

we had people complain a few years ago that there was a black ultramarine on a book cover.

[queen laurel]

Yeah hiring real life actors is a whole can of worms in itself

[storm jungle]

Its not until GW announces it.

fans also expect like, GW to get these big shot actors at all, Cavill was easy since he knows warhammer

a lot of the general populace on the other hand nada

[queen laurel]

yeah warhammer is more of a niche nerd thing, so getting an actor that actually understands the lore is going to be very tricky

[storm jungle]

Its definitely getting more popular but its genuinely not a massively known IP to the titans of the industry like Star Wars or LOTR etc.

[queen laurel]

Yeah it's popular and it's getting more but it's nowhere near as popular as the entertainment industry Titans like you just said

[green loom]

It isn't

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RpfpSyWGhk&ab_channel=TerrySkrinjar

Here's why

If you try using CGI mixed with live action you may as well give up also lel

[median marsh]

it would probably be hell for actors

[shadow plover]

I don't really agree with this given how many collabs they do with random games like World of Warships and the like

Well at least in the last 5 years

[green loom]

They don't like "unsafe" sharing

[median marsh]

GW really likes pumping out shoddy mobile games

[green loom]

If it's a safe bet for cash they'll probably do it

[shadow plover]

That's not really GW, they just give the IP to almost anyone who lets them decide everything that comes to lore and so on

GW themselves dont do anything besides tabletop and books

And now animation

Which is kinda under GW

[queen laurel]

Yeah that part really confused me

Probably because mobile is the easiest platform for games to earn a quick buck from

[shadow plover]

It's low risk

[storm jungle]

Also easy money

[storm jungle]

I'm talking about anyone big

as long as its a small company they can boss around its free real estate.

[green loom]

GW is just

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBf47yRpOM8&ab_channel=Sn1pe456

[storm jungle]

accurate

[green loom]

"What do you mean the tactical marines outsold the entire Drukhari line?"

[shadow plover]

Well no one big really cares for Warhammer either really. Warhammer is big for what it is but it's not wider popularity big so none of the big names would even go for it

Like if Sony suddenly wanted to make a feature length animation movie with 40k I'd bet my ass the higher ups at GW would piss themselves and do it without a second thought

[storm jungle]

THATS LITERALLY WHAT IM SAYING

[shadow plover]

Oh, I interpreted it as GW won't do anything big because they don't want to give anyone big the rights to do so

[jade holly]

Yeah but then there’s people like Angron

Big E did not help at all with that case

[terse flume]

it took disney buying out marvel before the movies got big outside of the broadly already known IP

that was the point at which people were willing to throw enough budget at fuckin iron man, a complete joke IP to that point that i legit think young people would not understand now

to get a bunch of hollywood stars and impossibly great SFX

if you wanna look at a company trying to do this on their own and failing, look at the first dungeons and dragons movie

because that's about the best case scenario

[jade holly]

And then they ruined the MCU with overuse of CGI and bad writing

Hey I liked Honor Among Thieves

[terse flume]

that's the second one, which is muuuuuuch better

[jade holly]

Oh

Then nvm

When I saw trailers for it I thought it was another wannabe style movie to set up their own universe like the MCU, and while that’s the case I can’t believe I didn’t watch it sooner. Had no reason being that good

[terse flume]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SnA2rv4ros behold: dungeons and dragons 2000

jeremy irons is "in it", he's in exactly one set lol

and a blue screen

[jade holly]

Mf got them blue lips

[wise ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/chefs-kiss-french-chef-perfect-dish-excellent-food-perfection-gif-20341505

A classic.

[jade holly]

If there ever was a Warhammer 40k movie and it took place during the Horus Heresy, who would y’all cast

No Chris Evans as Robourte Guilliman doesn’t count or work

[green loom]

No one

I know I kinda want Jason Isaacs as Eisenhorn

Per this Miguel piece

[urban spire]

it's a name for plaguebearers, but apparently it's also a title that a plague marine can have

thank gw

[green loom]

I only notice now

But the Guard in the opening

Like when you're escaping

Have Navy insignia

[storm jungle]

Warhammer is definitely unknown to the larger populace.

Netflix, Amazon and the like would definitely have no idea warhammer exists.

Warhammer seems like the world to most of us because we are big fans of it but once you remove yourself from the spectrum its a very small/mid IP amidst sea of absolute titans of products

[queen laurel]

yeah, I may see warhammer 40K 24-7 but the moment I stop paying attention to it for a second I see other franchises that probably have more fans than it

it's growing larger, but compared to the popularity of the other amazing franchises around it's definitely mid in the rankings

[green loom]

A big thing I'd say is that it's nowhere near as marketable as most

And unline a ton of franchises, it had no early movie success or anything to boost it into the limelight

And tbh it's fine that way

Feel like taking away the focus from "your guys" kinda cheapens it

[jade holly]

I heard Henry Cavill wants to work on a 40K show

[median marsh]

hes making one for amazon

he is an executive producer in it iirc

[jade holly]

Isn’t he a gigantic nerd for 40k?

[median marsh]

he is

he is a custodes player i think

[jade holly]

Then I think the show is in good hands

[rose thorn]

i wonder what he thinks of 10th!

[jade holly]

I can’t wait to see how he’ll portray the 2nd and 11th

[barren ether]

It’s Amazon and we saw how rings of power turned out. Fortunately games workshop is insanely protective of the ip and it’s lore, so fingers crossed for a decent adaptation

[celest dome]

Gw's protectivness doesn't make it better

[barren ether]

I’m normally chill with sci fi settings getting butchered on the silver screen, but with 40k I will turn into a turbo nerd neckbeard if they fuck it up

[barren ether]

I’d rather we get an authentic representation of the setting as opposed to a dumbed down form of it for mass consumption. One of the main reasons Game of Thrones did well was because it stayed relatively faithful to the tone of the books in its first seasons

[jade holly]

And Henry Cavil is a producer

So they kind of have to listen to him since he’s funding it

[barren ether]

Ideally I feel a lot of us would want the same for a 40k show or what not. Not everything has to be word for word copied from the books, but I feel the tone and the setting should stay the same

[jade holly]

The actors must also be perfect imo

and honestly idk who could play someone like Horus or Vulkan

[barren ether]

Yeah people jerk off Henry Cavill being a 40k dude but we have yet to see anything. Personally I think he’ll be fine but I don’t buy the blind worship of him as a producer

God I hope a 40k show is regular humans first. Space marines and especially primarchs are something I’m scared of seeing in a mainstream show

[storm jungle]

Finally a good take

we literally dont know shit aside from him liking custodes and wojak pointing at a chandelier saying it looks like a blackstone fortress

[barren ether]

Space marines do have personalities, and do experience emotion, but on a greater scale than humans. Like if a marine gets angry they are angry to the extreme. If they are sad they are sad to the extreme.

They are also killing machines and who knows how regular people will react to seeing space fascism on an insane scale

[barren ether]

Seriously right? I understand people’s excitement for him, but like cmon his acting range consists of playing mr stoic badass action hero, and very little else.

On top of that we really don’t know how big of a fan he is. For all we know he just wants to break into an untapped market that hasn’t been seen in movies or shows yet

[storm jungle]

Its very much the "Literally me" projecting

nerds see a handsome famous actor and gotta go "OH MY GOD HES JUST LIKE US"

💀

I like Cavill but the general fan projection around him in 40k has been really cringe.

[weary bane]

i mean he's time and time again shown his level of down to earth interests in similar nerdy/geeky hobbies

dude built a pc on live stream during covid

no different than countless dumbass youtubers

[barren ether]

I’m glad I’m not getting beaten into the dirt for having that opinion lol. I do like Henry Cavill. He seems nice, but I seriously doubt amazons ability to not tone down 40k, which would be disrespectful to the source material

[weary bane]

the issue is definitely amazon in the situation for sure

i have no faith in big corporations respecting 40k lore

shit we all saw how paramount did halo FILTHY

[versed ledge]

Henry Cavill became the Ryan Gosling for 40k neckbeards

[weary bane]

gonna happen when a well known famous person is a fan of a relatively lesser known media in the world

[storm jungle]

Thats because you aren't in a big 40k server filled with Imperial/Space Marine players

[barren ether]

Also I feel most fan’s perception of him is based off of whatever YouTuber regurgitated the circlejerk they are on. A lot of the average fan’s perception of the setting is based on YouTube shorts lmao

[storm jungle]

Accurate.

[barren ether]

Fucking shit like Bricky or that one fucker with the swept hair and the clickbait

[near wasp]

Just cutting right to the heart of the fandom

[barren ether]

I know I sound like I’m gatekeeping but no. I like the fact 40k is becoming more popular. It’s just people don’t fucking bother to learn the setting and just use memes as a basis for their passion

God forbid people read the damn books. Even audio books are fine

[versed ledge]

In that regards, why did Ryan Gosling became "He's literally me" dude?

[near wasp]

If your talking about weshammer he doesnt even do shorts anymore

[barren ether]

Yes weshammer I think

I had that shit recommended to me and had aneurysms

[near wasp]

His content is better now

[barren ether]

I’m not some better than thou 40k fan. I don’t know everything but this setting is my passion without a doubt

If it is then fair enough

If people wanna enjoy content creators like Luetin, then honestly that’s a good start imo

[near wasp]

Its really hard to sit down an listen to luetin i prefer baldemort now adays

Or that attenbourgh lore channel

[barren ether]

Well honestly this is mostly a Fatshark fan server/lfg server. I wouldn’t expect most fans to actually spend time in a random 40k lore channel lmao

[barren ether]

Who?

[storm jungle]

Lmao true

[weary bane]

yeahhhh, the biggest 40k servers outside this are prob the reddit servers

and uh

you can already tell the problem there

[green loom]

Wait it isn't normal to spend hours here weekly

[barren ether]

Even proper subreddits like r/40klore are becoming dumbed down

[green loom]

Someone is feeding text into a deep fake ai built for Attenborough

[near wasp]

Its ai of david attenbourgh reading 40k lore. Hes the guy who did those documentarys like planet earth and such

[weary bane]

define dumbed down

[barren ether]

Been subscribed since 2018 and I’m telling you discussions are half memes nowadays and just fucking circlejerking opinions

For example

[weary bane]

i meant their discords

not their reddit pages

[barren ether]

Oh I know

I just feel like both are generally the same

[weary bane]

their discords are mod power trips

[barren ether]

Redditors are well Redditors lol

[barren ether]

Alright cool I’ll look him up sounds mildly entertaining

[green loom]

It's mostly wiki reading from what I remember

[barren ether]

You mean to tell me you don’t wanna argue pointless lore bits with people who probably don’t care?

[green loom]

So not much better than One mind syndicate

[weary bane]

i just like discussing lore

[green loom]

I usually have fun talking some thingies here

[weary bane]

me with literally 200 firstborn marines to build still yeah, totally not putting off other stuff

[near wasp]

Broooo thats a pallet of shame

[barren ether]

What color scheme. Or what chapter are you going for

We talking homebrew?

[weary bane]

iron warrior successor homebrew

[barren ether]

Hot

Very very hot

Tell us more

[green loom]

This is what I do

[barren ether]

Ur a psyker Harry

[weary bane]

my idea is that they're members of a fleet that got displaced due to the warp into the future, from before the horus heresy, so they're still under the loyalist ideology essentially, havnt really figured the details to "whom or how they joined the greater imperium" but im gonna have them more deeply connected to admech

cause, you know, iron warriors

[barren ether]

Holy shit a non Mary Sue background

[weary bane]

whats the mary sue background?

[barren ether]

That’s actually reasonable and works with the lore

[barren ether]

“We are an unknown founding chapter that’s got some chimeric geneseed that gives us a super resistance to the warp and our first 2 companies are fully decked out in terminator plate” type shit

[near wasp]

Im gonna buy a knight as some point and paint it and get some artwork commissioned to go with it

[queen laurel]

Basically it's so perfect that it's basically flawless

they're basically so boring because they don't even have a singular slaw

[weary bane]

on the fence about HOW they're brought into the great imperium though tbh, like, inquisitorial members could probably bullshit them in i guess? idk, not trying to be super eh about it i guess

[barren ether]

Well first off, they’d probably be treated like any other marine chapter by normal humans. Possibly even low level inquisition and AdMech. But those who know their traitors would probably immediately put your dudes on a shit list due to the Imperiums “no traitors or descendants of traitors” policy lol

[near wasp]

Well given how large the imperium is they could masserade as a forgotten chapter who got lost to records due to isolation from the greater imperium

[barren ether]

The question is what’s the paint scheme

[weary bane]

thats another "on the fence" thing

[barren ether]

Because if it’s remotely iron warriors, anyone worth their salt would treat your dudes with a wide berth

[weary bane]

silver skulls has entered the chat

[jade holly]

Just say they’re the lost 2nd legion

[near wasp]

[weary bane]

[barren ether]

What are their numbers? Considering chapter sizes in 30k were significantly larger due to them being subsects of legions, how many dudes are we talking here

[near wasp]

If they were lost in the warp for along time, likely low

[weary bane]

time in the warp is wonky

technically it can be as short as like a day real felt

and be 10k in the future

[barren ether]

Well I mean they wouldn’t have to have been fighting in the warp. Sometimes warp dilations happen

[green loom]

On the topic of homebrews

[near wasp]

Looking good

[barren ether]

And gellar fields failing isn’t common, so it’s not like they’d be fighting daemons

[barren ether]

What geneseed

[green loom]

BA

[barren ether]

Looking awfully blood angels

Well there ya go

So bulwark. Meaning they are more defensive?

[near wasp]

And what color is the death company?

[green loom]

Killed

[weary bane]

oof

[barren ether]

Put ‘em down like old yeller lmao

[green loom]

They put a big lid on the thirst

[near wasp]

I mean more marines would fall to the rage eventually, do they just kill them

Oh

[green loom]

They're big on discipline/very stoic

[barren ether]

Interesting

So what’s their preferred fighting style?

Lots of ranged warfare?

[green loom]

Pretty standard codex stuffs

Save for the Sanguinary priesthood/guard

[barren ether]

Fair enough

[crystal zealot]

Ok so if i understand correctly, poxwalkers, the ones that just growl and charge you are just infected by them. Dregs are those that "chose" to worship nurgle and got his blessings. Scabs are just traitors but they dont partake in the corruption stuff? Do those include the shooters that keep saying "I need cover" and stuff?

[median marsh]

Scabs are the Moebian traitor guard, better trained, better equipped

Dregs are members of the Cult that was present on Tertium, most likely people from bottom of society poorly equipped and with virtually no armor

Poxwalkers are result of Walking Pox, souls trapped in their own bodies forced to watch as it goes on mindlessly devouring the healthy

[queen laurel]

scabs are undivided, but they slightly favor nurgle so thats why they aren't the most mutated

[crystal zealot]

That's cool! do all elites/specialists also come from those factions? Like i know that ragers and mutants are very visually obvious to be nurgle followers. what about the rest? im not so sure about the bomber and the trapper for example

[median marsh]

elites (except ogryns) come in Dreg and Scab variants ye, other exceptions are:
Bomber (Scab)
Mauler (Scab)
Tox Flamer (Dreg)

[crystal zealot]

Ooh so it looks like a consistent theme. darker armor is mostly scab and no armor/green stuff is dregs?

[median marsh]

Dregs are dressed in primarily yellow ish colors

easiest way to tell > if its a las weapon its a scab, if its an autogun its a dreg for shooters

[crystal zealot]

Oh the clothes, i meant the green pipes on their bodies and stuff, arent they from nurgle? or he cant manufacture pipes? xD

[median marsh]

dont remember seeing pipes, i know Mutant and Dreg Ragers got combat drug injectors strapped to them

[crystal zealot]

Oh then yea those are what i meant. green stuff in injector piping or something

[queen laurel]

The military and tactics of warfare is probably done by the scab

the magic and warp stuff like mutating creatures and summoning demons is probably done by the dregs

[crystal zealot]

U know when we need rescue we're guarded by stuff, and i like to look at their bodies. ragers have the funniest facial expressions while standing xD

[storm jungle]

Ragers are genuinely weird

their voices also sometimes sound high pitched or slowed/fast-forwarded?

[queen laurel]

also I feel like they belong more to khorne with a literal name being called the rager

[barren ether]

Nurgle is a gateway to powers some would deem… unnatural

[storm jungle]

Covid Moment

[barren ether]

They forgot to take their testosterone supplements

[queen laurel]

grandma please

go back to the stasis chamber

[storm jungle]

Im gonna kill you if you call me a grandma again

[queen laurel]

i don't know when the gig is going to be over so

well see

[green loom]

Use the proper 40k title
"Ancient Dilara"

[queen laurel]

shit you right

Ancient Dilara - Grandmother of the library of oblivion

[barren ether]

Oh trust me I know lol, everyone and their brother loves to repeat that. Though in the case of the witcher, I just think Henry Cavill got paid then made a big stink about the witcher Netflix show as he knew it was a sinking ship. Can’t tell me the dude signed a contract each season not knowing it was dogshit

[storm jungle]

Yeah the Witcher was a more sadder case

Yeah because the creator of the comic is working with the team

compared to the Boys

where the comic is dogshit and Ennis sucks

so they are doing their own thing and being massively successful

[queen laurel]

dog shit doesn't begin to describe that train wreck

[arctic talon]

The boys comic lol?

[barren ether]

I’ll be semantic: there’s a difference between 40k and an edgy superhero comic adaptation. A pretty damn big difference

And 40k has fucking cherubim and servitors

[green loom]

I don't think you can do a live adaptation of 40k beyond like

[barren ether]

It’s not just the content, it’s just the fact everyday life in 40k is macabre to the extreme

[green loom]

Something inquisition n

[queen laurel]

you would think that the comic is fanfiction next to the show, that's how bad it is

[green loom]

Normalize inquisition/rogue trader content fr

[storm jungle]

Ennis is just a bad comic guy

literally left Marvel and DC because he hates superheroes

but of course loves the Punisher

lol

[median marsh]

i would love to see Gaunts Ghosts honestly

[barren ether]

YES. I feel Gaunts ghosts would be an excellent start for a 40k live action

[storm jungle]

Also yeah to be blunt the Boys comic is all edge no plot

40k already shys away from some forms of violence

because censorship and material in books is a thing lol

its the same reason nobody can say "fuck"

but can say "shit" or "bitch"

its really stupid

[queen laurel]

didn't he also make that comic where punisher just shot captain america

[green loom]

Yes

[storm jungle]

Yeah its why Butcher is basically the Punisher

like a cringe self-insert

[queen laurel]

sigh

[green loom]

In the show Butcher is tye only trench coat wearing shitlord

In the comics it's like

Ironically

The Boys' super hero uniform lol

[barren ether]

I think the boys is decent for what it’s worth, though admittedly I haven’t read the comics

[storm jungle]

Yeah you arent missing anything

1 sec

[near wasp]

The show was good

[queen laurel]

do not

read

the comics

[barren ether]

I just found the first episode hilarious. Not because it’s edgy but the absurdity of hewie or whatever losing his girl

Just fucking exploded into nothing. Took me and my girl aback lmao

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/a-train-edit-a-train-the-boys-a-train-the-boys-edit-gif-26341809

[storm jungle]

https://youtu.be/JyKliIF49JQ

Only like 15m long, very informative

[barren ether]

I’ll give it a watch thanks ☺️

[storm jungle]

[near wasp]

I was so shocked

[queen laurel]

yeah watch this, never read it directly

[barren ether]

Truly a sigma /s

[arctic talon]

Here comes the A-train

[spare osprey]

Yeah no show is way better. Will say tho I think there’s a literal single thing the comic did better.

[barren ether]

How about we do what HBO does with GOT and cast stage actors considering 40k is full of monologues and grand gestures. Not action marvel stars

[spare osprey]

Tek knight actually seemed like an “ok” guy

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

Tek Knight legit made me uncomfortable

his portrayal in Gen V is great

[arctic talon]

The boys comic is like a train wreck

[storm jungle]

literally psycho-analyzing you constantly

[arctic talon]

You can’t look away from

[barren ether]

Actors who aren’t really that known and people watch them for the sake of their performance

[green loom]

Let's goooo cody

[celest dome]

Honestly that one and the Cross are quite uncomfortable

[storm jungle]

Crossed is just bad

lmao

[spare osprey]

I’m fine with him being a dickhead and a detective (via the Batman) but I would’ve enjoyed a high standing non compound-v supe.

[storm jungle]

"What if zombies but they r*pe and mutilate people"

thanks Ennis

I appreciate that as a female reader

[celest dome]

Yup. Tried reading them and just couldn't go much further

Even as a dude

[median marsh]

comic books be wilding

[spare osprey]

All I’m saying, if his character arc doesn’t end with him fuckin a meteor till it explodes saving the earth. We’ve failed as a society

[arctic talon]

lol

[storm jungle]

Literally the most 40k character death btw

[celest dome]

The best post apocalypse comics still is that weird Scooby Doo one

Loved it

[spare osprey]

It’s how we’ll lose sly marbo I reckon

Fucks a black stone fortress till it explodes

Saves terra

Boom best character ever

[storm jungle]

And the reveal is he was just brain damaged and dying in a coma dream

perfectly 40k

[median marsh]

Sly Marbo being so dead inside the guy giving him the medal just going "im gona put this one with the others"

[rose thorn]

i like the theory that sly marbo isnt real

and in game its just someone who takes up the mantel of being sly to encourage his troops

like the great red gobbo

also the fact hes still alive for like 2 thousand years

is kidna silly

[near wasp]

Hes either a legend or a perpetual

[rose thorn]

Wel perpetuals are literally one of the worst things written in lore

So I’ll believe the legend thing

[near wasp]

Just because you dont like it doesnt mean they arnt canon

[rose thorn]

if pretending space wolves arent as stupid as they actually are, then that means space wolves are okay

the cycle of 40k

[weary bane]

Literal space wolf prankster who was famous for bedding a ton of women

Absolute chad

[odd palm]

Sounds more like a man who was afraid of commitment and responsibility to me

No wonder he joined the SW

[weary bane]

Lukas the Trickster (also known as the Strifeson, the Laughing One, and the Jackalwolf)

[weary bane]

Or maybe it's the culture of fenris?

Can't impose your personal ideology/culture on a fictional planet's

[odd palm]

Eh, helps explain why the SW are so underwhelming

[weary bane]

Hoe

How*

Fucking phone

[versed ledge]

You guys listen to the vox interception transmission for DT?

How is it that a highly trained, well equipped, agent of the inquisition, dies and fails - where as we, the unhinged rejects, succeed?

[weary bane]

Sometimes it's just flat out luck of the draw

Even special operation units die to some random mf with a gun

[arctic talon]

Regarding the unhinged rejects part the veteran, psyker and ogryn are all competent at their job

The zealot is uh

A zealot so it can vary

[versed ledge]

Zealot is just a walking claymore

[weary bane]

Ogryn just be doing his best protecting the liluns

[versed ledge]

Point in direction of enemy, sit back

[arctic talon]

Lol

But I’d say it’s not a huge suprise the veteran, ogryn or the Psyker survive

[versed ledge]

Oggies is just going dad mode

[arctic talon]

Veteran and ogryn especially

[outer wave]

Dumb luck, video game, possible underestimation of the previous forces that led them to their doom, it could be many things

[weary bane]

I mean our psyker appears well trained in their abilities

[arctic talon]

You don’t become a veteran in the guard by sitting back and relaxing

[arctic talon]

Yeah but they’re also un sanctioned psykers

[weary bane]

Even better

[arctic talon]

Which means a lot more could go wrong

[weary bane]

[versed ledge]

Strict adherence to orthodoxy when it comes standard operating procedures too

[arctic talon]

[outer wave]

Thats also a factor true

[weary bane]

Tbh a lot could have gone wrong that makes sense

It's not unreasonable for it to have happened

[versed ledge]

Yeah, but you'd expect us to die and an agent to live a bit longer

[weary bane]

You look me in the eye and tell me ciaphas cain doesn't exist

[versed ledge]

Fair enough, and he's just That Guy

[median marsh]

Wyrmwood might be still alive

[versed ledge]

Might as well be with us in our shenanigans

[median marsh]

plus even if she was trained for combat, shes there alone

Our convicts are also not exactly just nobodies, being a veteran in the Imperial Guard is quite something considering the average life expectancy of a guardsman

Ogryn is self explanatory, so is Psyker

Zealot fueled by faith is no pushover either

[weary bane]

You know what I forgot

[versed ledge]

The psyker could depend on background

[weary bane]

There are blood sibling astartes in canon

Twins. Etc.

[versed ledge]

One is a former cop, and a detective. The other should be shot

[median marsh]

the crazy one, the one that argues with subtitles, really toes the line

[versed ledge]

The crazy one is just one fun/bad day away becoming a daemon host

[median marsh]

but considering the situation they cant just waste em unless they explicitly work for the enemy

[safe vigil]

well, being possessed by a daemon is one thing. being a daemonhost is.... another?

their basically a same thing but the daemonhost is bound, trapped and controllable

[weary bane]

Daemonhost=have daemon as a roomate
Possessed=you got a squatter who's locked you in your closet

[safe vigil]

No i think possessed is the same as Daemonhost

[versed ledge]

Which is worst though

[safe vigil]

got on hand to type with

[weary bane]

A Daemonhost is a living mortal body used as a receptacle to bind a daemon, differing from a possessee in that the daemon does not possess or control the mortal, but is bound into it. The Daemonhost is used by another mortal, often in order to use Chaos to fight Chaos.

entire page says citation neeeded but it aligns with my view of difference so I send anyway yeh

[versed ledge]

Heh

[celest dome]

Deamonhost are a subset of Possessed

[versed ledge]

So on the topic of tertium, the pox walkers. Are they still alive or dead?

[celest dome]

Lorewise they still are conscious

[green loom]

They're quite alive yes

[safe vigil]

like Cherbeal in Eisenhorn has complete control

[green loom]

You can hear them groaning

[versed ledge]

Would love to see detailed lore with diagrams and imperial versions of medical documentation

[weary bane]

Such as?

[safe vigil]

the person he possesses locked in the mental closest

[median marsh]

Poxwalkers have a really horrific fate

imagine being trapped in your own body, aware of everything its doing, as it shambles on killing and devouring people

[versed ledge]

Morphology, physiological changes, EEG and EKG readings

That would be awesome

And adds to the horror

Especially knowing that the "zombie" isn't so much a zombie, but the final stage of a Nurgle plague

[safe vigil]

the possessed person doesnt utilize that power, he is used as a physical vessel for the daemon. possessed. The only difference is that a Daemonhost is covered in wards and such that allows them to be controlled. At least thats my understanding and Eisenhorn suggests that

[weary bane]

Like this stuff? (Fan made)

[versed ledge]

Oh that's cool, and poor tau

[weary bane]

If only temporary

No matter the will all daemonhosts will eventually lose control

[median marsh]

Demons arent particularly happy when placed inside one

[near wasp]

The daemonhost gets angry when my ogryn yeets a boulder at them

[safe vigil]

How so? I understand the Daemon is malicious and is constantly working to slip free but the bindings are airtight

[versed ledge]

The ogryn is the boulder

[near wasp]

That too

[safe vigil]

I have read that eventually the physical form will wither and distort to the point that a new host is required for its powers to manifest properly

[weary bane]

Well the irony is

[safe vigil]

but this was in a adventure module for Black Crusade

[weary bane]

The stronger a daemon is the less "restricted" to the mortal you want it

Piss off a very strong daemon is to have an immortal enemy for the rest of your life

[median marsh]

how powerful your Daemonhost is dependant on how tightly you bind it

[weary bane]

Just waiting to get payback

[median marsh]

the less bindings there is, the more power it can exert at the cost of ever increasing risk

because if it slips free it will rip you a new one for daring to command it

[weary bane]

It's an ironic reverse of expectation

[safe vigil]

I know that there are levels of binding, essentially how many padlocks are you going to leave off, allowing it to be more powerful but less restricted

I think most of the Daemonhost crunch comes from Dark Heresy

[weary bane]

Well putting a daemon inside a host and then locking them there against there will is a very subjectively dependent on the daemon issue

[safe vigil]

How so?

[weary bane]

Well daemons are individuals

[median marsh]

you also dont just bind random lesser ones

[safe vigil]

The daemonhost becomes a servant of the one who bound it. They take orders whether they want too or not.

[weary bane]

Yes but again, eventually the daemon is released back to the warp one way or another

Not the best to make an eternal enemy of a daemon

[versed ledge]

So it explains why we see so many of them

[near wasp]

I mean they wont return to the mortal plane before im dead

[versed ledge]

They're effectively area of denial weapons

[weary bane]

It's one to have broad disdain of daemons

And another to have the specific hatred of 1

[median marsh]

remember in Darktide theres so many of them also for gameplay reasons

[safe vigil]

Yeah if your doing it, you want that extra power for your own ends

Like a Inquisitor for example

peoples whos own goals and power is fair beyond the point of 'this daemon might kill me'

[median marsh]

Eisenhorn and Cherubael had an extensive hustory together

[safe vigil]

Yeah. Binding a host allows you to essentially have a walking talking psychic nuke who can be disguised as a normal human

[median marsh]

eeeeh i wouldnt say that you can hide a daemonhost easily

[weary bane]

You play with fire when risking whether or not how strong you want your daemonhosts powers to be

[safe vigil]

I don't know how well they can hide their psychic emenations. But throw a big enough robe on him. Maybe he's slightly mutated, or he can use Psychic powers to pass without a trace, a kinda air of normalcy

Yeah leaving bindings off a daemonhost is playing with fire.

I suppose in theory, one could bind a daemon you already have trouble with

'Keep your friends close but enemies closer'

[median marsh]

thats generally the idea, you bind a demon you know pretty well

[safe vigil]

he is here killing my enemies meaning he's not off in the galaxy doing Emperor knows what

Then they can spend three books flirting with you

[weary bane]

Imagine being a daemon who has the specific interest of an inquisitor, and you're constantly being summoned over the years

At that point yall should just get married idk what to say

[safe vigil]

I'm scared to look for Eisenhorn/Cherubael fanart

[weary bane]

You know

[near wasp]

Isnt cherubael a slansheshi daemon

[safe vigil]

His allegiance is never stated

which I like. I like chaos undivided daemons

[median marsh]

it wasnt stated what it was aligned to but theres like

an entire book of horrible things it did

[safe vigil]

Yeah loads of enslaving whole star systems, genocides and starting 100 year wars

One was forcing an entire species to commit ritual suicide in one night

which, props too him thats gotta be some kind of achievement

[normal light]

My Vet and Psyker had a conversation about strange dreams

[arctic talon]

Kerellian saltzpyre refrence

[normal light]

and psyker said it had visions about some wolf hiding in the city and being ready to devour it

and that that "wolf" has a malice mind

[arctic talon]

Huh

[normal light]

Like , It`s a reference to one of the last communications?

[celest dome]

Is it ?

[normal light]

Well

Like

Something hiding in the Hive

being a "wolf"

having a Malice mind

and being ready to devour the city

[safe vigil]

or something slinking from shadow to shadow hunting wyrmwood

[celest dome]

You mean with Captain Wolfer ?

[normal light]

YES , Maybe this quote related to this

[normal light]

Don`t think so

but maybe

[celest dome]

It would be quite a reach to say the voice line is link to the Voxes

[normal light]

Vet reacted to this by saying that there are no Wolfes on Atoma , only big dogs

[safe vigil]

so at most hinting to a new boss or maybe a assassination target

[normal light]

as he remembers

[celest dome]

That would be the 2nd to last Vox for the Boss

As in that one a cultist start talking

[median marsh]

i still wonder what makes Wolfer special

[celest dome]

But like the Vox don't really mention anything to do with wolf

[normal light]

Maybe he is a high ranking officer in 6th Moebian

[celest dome]

Right place right time

[normal light]

Also yes

[median marsh]

like, he now talks to you

[celest dome]

He is just a captain

[normal light]

And he somehow has an access to Inqiusition Vox Channel

[celest dome]

He prob just has a broad cast range. Not the private ones

[normal light]

Maybe

Also I think him being broadcast also makes him some what unique

[celest dome]

Well yes. He is the named Scab Captain

[normal light]

Also I have a question what type of regiment 6th Moebian was?

Like Line Infantry

or what

[celest dome]

Mixed Infantry

[arctic talon]

^

[celest dome]

So in theory they would have light armoured vehicles like Sentinels and Taurox

[normal light]

Nah uh

If they are Infantry centric and mixed they only have Infantry

That how it works in IG

They can have those if they are Mechanised

[weary bane]

Man I just want malice

I want yeh boy MALICE

[arctic talon]

His boys had a book

[weary bane]

Talking about the labyrinth?

[normal light]

I don’t GW would bring out Malice

[weary bane]

Words

What they mean

Doubt*?

[normal light]

Mean?

[weary bane]

I doubt gw would bring out malice*??

I don't THINK* gw would bring out malice?

Your sentence be messed up yo I'm just asking it to be fixed so I understand what you mean

[normal light]

Yes

[weary bane]

Thank you

[normal light]

Not a native speaker

[weary bane]

It's alright

[normal light]

So may have some problems

[weary bane]

You're good

I mean tbh, malice has always been in a weird spot

He's canon by all means

Gw just don't give a fuck apparently to do anything with him.

[normal light]

True

[median marsh]

didnt GW have legal issues with him waay back

[normal light]

Like I think Malice could come up as a new threat for everyone like new nids but Chaos

And I know it sounded stupid

[weary bane]

With malal

[normal light]

If they bring him

[weary bane]

He's known as malice now

[normal light]

in

[safe vigil]

I was always off the mind that.
When the Emperor stole powers from the Chaos Gods on Moloch, he was really absorbing Malice

I've never been fond of malice and I wish pople would stop bringing him up since he's just a big nothing

a chaos warband that fights itself, xenos, imperium and other chaos

like every other chaos warband

I just don't think the concept has legs really

[weary bane]

Malice is current as of 40k sooo

[celest dome]

Mixed Infantry. Not pure Infantry

[weary bane]

Mechanized

Is the term you're looking for

[normal light]

What Mixed Infantry means? Like they combined all infantry types? Line , Siege , Mechanized , Light Infantry?

[weary bane]

Mixed isn't a thing, the term is motorized or mechanized

[normal light]

Then they have their own transport

[weary bane]

Motorized seperates from mechanized in that mechanized utilizes armored transports and ifv's

[normal light]

either Tauroxes or Chimeras

[normal light]

I know

I had questions because "Mixed Infantry"

[safe vigil]

i havent read laynthrine but malice is just kinda referenced with the trivial apperances of the sons of malice

[weary bane]

Essentially malice can supposedly be summoned to realspace

Annnddd if I remember vaguely, they were just finishing the ritual?

[celest dome]

Mechanised has tank. Mixed doesnt

[weary bane]

No it doesnt

It has ifv's

Not the same as a tank

A chimera would be an ifv

[normal light]

In WH40K Mechanised units ONLY have IFVs and APCs

Tanks are only for Armored Regiments

Because of "Combined Arms" strategy where 1 Imperial Guard Regiment can`t have all the goods to fight by itself

[normal light]

In case they will corrupt and become Traitors

[celest dome]

Mixed used to be a thing. That's what they described Krieg for example. Who in asinine regiment had Line and Artillery

[versed ledge]

Are there even motorized infantry in the imperial Guard?

[normal light]

Well technically yes

Mechanised are described as troops having their organic transport

It doesn’t say that this transport are IFVs

It can be anything

That transports infantry

[versed ledge]

Like a Toyota or Dodge Ram

[normal light]

Yes

Like wording says so

[versed ledge]

But mechanized would be more IFVs and other mechanized support elements

(eg Stryker Cavalry)

[weary bane]

Motorized are usually less armored equipment compared to mechanized

Irl it'd be like humvees and jltvs and such

Or strykers/unarmed lav's

Essentially nothing above a 50 cal type weaponry

You'd probably consider a taurox as as something used in motorized

[versed ledge]

So that would mean a chimera with a multi las gun would classify as a motorized element

[weary bane]

No it'd be considered an apc/ifv

[normal light]

I know

[weary bane]

So mechanized

[normal light]

The wording says that Mechanised means they have their own regimental transport

When in reality Mechanised is focused around IFVs and APCs

[normal light]

It’s is still IFV

Anything with wheels- Motorised

Anything with tracks - Mechanised

[versed ledge]

But a stryker would be both?

Due to the modularity of it

[weary bane]

Wrong

An lav has wheels and armed with a cannon, it's an ifv

And is utilized in mechanized

It's also classified as an apc

[normal light]

In US standards maybe

[weary bane]

So still, mechanized

[normal light]

I am talking Commie Block standards

[versed ledge]

Mechanized would be units accompanying an armoured unit

[weary bane]

Dawg barely any of the imperial guard is based on commie block standards

[normal light]

Yes , they are made for it

[normal light]

Don’t know their use of those weapons mostly is Commie Block style

Mostly

[weary bane]

I get your ability with English isn't the best but it's difficult to decipher the meaning to your sentences.

[normal light]

I mean that IG employees somewhat Soviet tactics in their use of Armor and Artillery

With massive barrages of artillery and Tank Spearheads supported by mounted infantry

[versed ledge]

In a way they do, and their tactic concerning armor

[weary bane]

That's what modern military standards is

Desert storm was done the exact same way

[versed ledge]

Where as NATO would be wholly combined arms and emphasis on aerial superiority

[weary bane]

An initial barrage to soften the target with a spearhead of armored forces with mechanized forces behind

[normal light]

That is the funny part

IG combines "Combined Arms" and Soviet like Tactics

[weary bane]

Like, that's actually a literal design of combat that comes from ww2 Germany "blitzkrieg" which came about from the advancement of armor and air power capabilities in support of infantry and artillery forces

It's not soviet whatsoever

[normal light]

True

[weary bane]

The marked difference in doctrines is more related to leadership and delegation of authority

Western forced placed a lot of command authority as low as squad leaders

Meanwhile soviet doctrine made that extremely difficult as they have a very weak NCO corps

[normal light]

True

[weary bane]

Which I feel that command authority is pretty well rounded for imperial guard units with obvious lines of succession should officers die in the field

[versed ledge]

Now that I think about it, wouldn't the guard be also considered "marines"? When it comes to interplanetary warfare it all boil down "ship to shore, kill some more"

[normal light]

Nuh uh

[solemn wyvern]

hello guys

I'm pretty new to warhammer in general, (AOS and W40k)

could you recommend me some youtube channels dedicated to explaining the lore ?

[cosmic pine]

Bricky

Got confused

[cosmic pine]

Here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPB3Q59vjR8

[solemn wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/thanks-thank-you-dwight-gif-3898407

[cosmic pine]

np

[weary bane]

@versed ledge theyre more army, the naval forces have their own forces

Voidsman/armsman