The mechanicus is a shithole because all the people who could change it
#40k-lore-chat
dusk patrol
I feel like all I ever get is people seeing a tiktok or at best reading the excerpt of it firing its weird chrono gun.
urban spire
or are in the imperium nihilus, which is effectively the same thing
arctic talon
Lol
arctic talon
I feel like all I ever get is people seeing a tiktok or at best reading the exce...
The chrono gun is cool but the scene of the ships AI talking to itself is cooler
dusk patrol
Yeah theres a lot of build up to what the ship is and what it can do.
urban spire
i've read the first novel in the trilogy (?) the speranza is in, i think i'm like a third or fourth of the way through the second
arctic talon
Only thing I really dislike from forges if mars is uh
urban spire
idr, i got distracted and forgot about it
arctic talon
The weird ass black Templars scene lol
urban spire
adhd hits like that
arctic talon
The sword fight one
💀
Why
Was it even written
It doesn’t make the black Templars seem cool either
arctic talon
are you talking about the duel with the skitarius?
The duel with the tech priest
urban spire
yeah he was a tech priest
but the kind that heads the skitarii
i forget the word for them
green loom
Dominus?
urban spire
oh
urban spire
the novel is from before the skitarii were fleshed out i believe
so he may have had a different title
celest dome
He’s just called master of the skitarii iirc lol
Dominus are the Tech Priest who lead Skitarii cohorts.
urban spire
it would be dominus now, but i think his title was different in the novel
he may have been a secutor
arctic talon
He’s just called a magos
urban spire
is he never given a specific title?
arctic talon
Dominus are the Tech Priest who lead Skitarii cohorts.
Dominus are not the tech priest who lead skitarii war cohorts
They’re magos’s well versed in the science of war
They can lead anything ranging from a horde of servitors to a bunch of tech priests
arctic talon
is he never given a specific title?
He’s just called a magos/master of the skitarii
Sort of boring
urban spire
ah well
urban spire
we can infer his title at least to be either dominus or secutor
arctic talon
Yeah
urban spire
i'm leaning secutor just based on the artwork
celest dome
Dominus are not the tech priest who lead skitarii war cohorts
But all Skitarii Cohorts are led by Dominus iirc
weary bane
btw, idc what people say, imperiums flat out right in their anti alien rhetoric ngl
arctic talon
But all Skitarii Cohorts are led by Dominus iirc
99.9% of the time yeah
arctic talon
btw, idc what people say, imperiums flat out right in their anti alien rhetoric ...
After they killed all the harmless aliens
weary bane
looks at countless human worlds enslaved by xeno's
arctic talon
During the great crusade
weary bane
arctic talon
*looks at countless human worlds enslaved by xeno's*
That doesn’t mean you should exterminate every single xenos in existance
weary bane
The imperium slaughtered all the peaceful aliens
actuallyyyyy left quite a number alone mostly, subjugation sure, but not flat out execution
arctic talon
That’s like saying I got bit by a alligator
green loom
*looks at countless human worlds enslaved by xeno's*
They nicely butchered those and the not enslaved ones, then enslaved the world's themselves 
arctic talon
I should kill every single lizard
arctic talon
actuallyyyyy left quite a number alone mostly, subjugation sure, but not flat ou...
False
urban spire
*looks at countless human worlds enslaved by xeno's*
the emperor himself wasn't a genocidal xenophobe and the imperium did better under him
arctic talon
We have so many goddamn excerpts
During the crusade
Of peaceful xenos being wiped out lol
It’s hilarious
arctic talon
The good ol “we just wanted to be left alone”
green loom
Are the ones mentioned in the Great Work
celest dome
Imperium isn't even right on their human policies
arctic talon
Wasn't exterminated
They don’t count since they had a use for the imperium
Rejuvinat
green loom
Which instead of being bombed to death, were just harvested to extinction for their blood
arctic talon
It was illegal to do so
But I’m 99% sure the imperium didn’t genocide them
So they could use them as live stock lol
urban spire
the imperium is meant to be an idea of the worst possible outcome for humanity
green loom
Yep
arctic talon
Humans living with xenos also == instant genocide
urban spire
everything the imperium takes a stance on, they take the wrong stance
arctic talon
The iron hands slaughtered a human civilization that was living with xenos
In harmony
weary bane
Saying "no"
yep
arctic talon
Interex were also gona get wiped out originally
But Horus was having daddy issues at the time
And then they got wiped out anyways after Erebus stole the funny knife
green loom
A revolutionary idea to negotiate before killing everyone fr
arctic talon
The imperium dug it’s own grave
Regarding the xenos lol
They killed all the xenos they could potentially have made friends with long term
celest dome
Interex would have been such a kick ass faction tbh
arctic talon
And made the rest incredibly wary of them at best due to their history
There’s a reason the craftworld eldar and the imperium don’t get along
weary bane
well considering most xeno's that came to power themselves did yeh know, the same things
premature ending xeno's is
pretty valid
arctic talon
well considering most xeno's that came to power themselves did yeh know, the sam...
That still doesn’t excuse wiping out every single species
Are you stupid
urban spire
keep in mind the reason the remaining xenos treat humans as scum is because the imperium defaults to genocide
weary bane
That still doesn’t excuse wiping out every single species
rather safe than sorry 
arctic talon
This is like saying the crusaders killed a bunch of people
weary bane
cant trust a "maybe"
arctic talon
We should kill all Christian’s
celest dome
Nazi rhetoric much
queen laurel
There’s a reason the craftworld eldar and the imperium don’t get along
The thing with eldar is even if you are a lot lower than them if you show respect and actually willingly help them they aren't so bad, helping the imperium on the other hand
A whole different kind of worms
arctic talon
rather safe than sorry <:PepeShrug:765344646325993492>
My brother in Christ you did not just quote facist rhetoric
urban spire
cant trust a "maybe"
well that's a justification that was used to enact real world genocides, so i think maybe you should get off the internet for a little while and rethink some things
weary bane
you fuckin psychopaths
arctic talon
On irl facist nations right
celest dome
Is meant to be a parody
And the bad guys
arctic talon
I mean yeah they’re explicitly evil
That’s why I like them
Never would I want to be a part of it or be involved with it
But the imperium is so delightfully awful
urban spire
just stop, friend
celest dome
If I was in the 40k setting I would not be on the side of the Imperium. They are a vile structure that cause much more woes than right
arctic talon
If I was in 40k I’d just kill myself to get it over with
queen laurel
Just because you're a human doesn't mean that you have to be a monster to
I would rather throw myself of a f****** hive city than even live a single day in the imperium
celest dome
If I was in 40k I’d just kill myself to get it over with
Honestly if I was in Fantasy I'd be somewhat alright. But in 40k I'm going Chaos from the get go. Or find a way to destroy my own aoul
urban spire
living in the tau empire might be alright
urban spire
at least you probably get healthcare
arctic talon
It would be but it’s still a totalitarian expansionist empire
queen laurel
Honestly if I was in Fantasy I'd be somewhat alright. But in 40k I'm going Chaos...
If you can't escape just become an ork
urban spire
yes
weary bane
If you can't escape just become an ork
digganobz
arctic talon
Despite not being called an imperium
celest dome
If you can't escape just become an ork
Digganobz time yeah! 
urban spire
the tau empire is an empire that practices empire, which makes them bad people
i am not disputing this
i'm just saying it's less bleak than the imperium of man
queen laurel
Digganobz time yeah! <:tposegryn:1022132121424384090>
To be fair if you are crazy enough that orks respect you i guess that's a good way to live
celest dome
They do have some Ogryn that live with them cause they are good Dakka and all that
arctic talon
i'm just saying it's less bleak than the imperium of man
You go from “the most brutal and bloody regime to ever exist” to if the NATO nations and North Korea had a baby
weary bane
tau do nothing different than the imperium, literally the same shit instead they try all diplomacy first, if you STILL refuse, well, THEN you get war time
arctic talon
It’s def a step up
urban spire
but trying diplomacy first isn't the same thing the imperium does?
queen laurel
just the better option
Still a better option
arctic talon
but trying diplomacy first isn't the same thing the imperium does?
Well they do it with humans
queen laurel
A better option is a better option i don't get your logic
weary bane
Still a better option
ironically not
arctic talon
The tau always try diplomacy first unless it’s against the dark eldar, nids or Orks
weary bane
least imperium you CAN grow greater than yourself through great difficulty
not so much in tau society
you are what they tell you you are
celest dome
Living standards in the Tau factions is also much higher than in the Imperium
urban spire
when tau encounter an alien species they don't send fanatics with flamers, they send the diplomacy corps
queen laurel
The tau always try diplomacy first unless it’s against the dark eldar, nids or O...
You want to know something funny?
They did try diplomacy with the Orks
urban spire
the what, water caste?
queen laurel
Did not work
arctic talon
You want to know something funny?
They did try diplomacy with the Orks
Didn’t the orks beat them to death with their own guns lol
green loom
least imperium you CAN grow greater than yourself through great difficulty
In reality you'll probably die at 15 in a factory your genelime has been working out for 9000 years
And
The Tau caste system is only for Tau
queen laurel
Didn’t the orks beat them to death with their own guns lol
Yeah, they immediately slaughtered them
weary bane
You want to know something funny?
They did try diplomacy with the Orks
didnt they try to diplomacy the TYRANIDS multiple times?
arctic talon
didnt they try to diplomacy the TYRANIDS multiple times?
Once
green loom
Like
arctic talon
The caste system is very restrictive but only applies to tau
urban spire
least imperium you CAN grow greater than yourself through great difficulty
the imperium is extremely stratified, opportunities for upward social movement are so limited that they are less than one in a million
weary bane
The castes are literal subspecies
imagine what selective breeding does
arctic talon
But upward mobility is still pretty bad
queen laurel
Yeah you can be a pretty well off human if you're good enough
green loom
imagine what selective breeding does <:Hmm:442445183909625856>
You know who else does selective breeding
celest dome
Yeah you can be a pretty well off human if you're good enough
Lucky. Like extremely lucky
arctic talon
Where most of the population is working to death in a manufacotrum
arctic talon
You know who else does selective breeding <:smilecat:942293327397662740>
Multiple marine chapters?
weary bane
It’s just not nearly as ass as the imperium
i mean if you go by population numbers yeah the stats are gonna be skewed in tau's favor
green loom
Yeah, and usually in a much more brutal way
arctic talon
i mean if you go by population numbers yeah the stats are gonna be skewed in tau...
I’m saying by pure percentages
urban spire
if you're not born into wealth in the imperium you're probably never going to see it
arctic talon
More of the imperium is more likely to be working a dead end job
You’ll work the manufactorum till they day out die
And if you’re unlucky the tech priest might drag you off the line to run some experiments on
weary bane
if you're not born into wealth in the imperium you're probably never going to se...
my favorite mentality, if you never experienced cake, would you truly miss it? or would you miss the possibility of it?
arctic talon
queen laurel
if you're not born into wealth in the imperium you're probably never going to se...
yeah i'm pretty sure the only way you will be rewarded is if you get extremely lucky, and say you were able to find an STC in the junkyard or did something so heroic that someone of your class doing that means instant promotion
arctic talon
my favorite mentality, if you never experienced cake, would you truly miss it? o...
Based on the perspective of slaves menials they tend to not like their life lol
They can find small happiness
green loom
Yeah 20 hour work days aren't great
arctic talon
But they’re aware it’s not great
weary bane
Based on the perspective of ~~slaves~~ menials they tend to not like their life ...
bring someone with something low, and they'll experience far greater loss than someone who's never experienced at all
arctic talon
Yeah 20 hour work days aren't great
That’s only on holidays
arctic talon
bring someone with something low, and they'll experience far greater loss than s...
That’s, not true
urban spire
the reason the imperium has constant rebellions is because people don't want to suffer and be slaves in all but name forever
weary bane
thats factually true
arctic talon
There’s a reason poor people hate their life historically
queen laurel
the reason the imperium has constant rebellions is because people don't want to ...
Yeah shame the faction they go to most of the time isn't much better
arctic talon
Chaos is worse then the imperium
weary bane
the reason the imperium has constant rebellions is because people don't want to ...
ironically superceding themselves over to another group to be slaves too in some manner
arctic talon
But that’s because chaos is super hell
urban spire
plenty of worlds try for independence without going to chaos
green loom
What does Bobby say to Dante
"why would a dredge refuse hell when he already dwells in it"
Paraphrasing but roughly that
celest dome
Growth in the term of tentacles on your face
arctic talon
Shame it comes with a side of horrific mutations lol
weary bane
big chance for eternal damnation of your soul too though 
green loom
Your soul may or may not be damned regardless s
urban spire
i'd rather have lobster claws than work in a manufactorium
arctic talon
big chance for eternal damnation of your soul too though <:kek:10032264949292114...
Tbh your soul is prolly gona get shredded unless you’re a Psyker
Or particularly tasty to a daemon/god
queen laurel
chaos DOES have that opportunity for personal growth
Yeah personal growth being a forever undying slave to a power that you will never surpass, immortality for just doing everything over and over again for a higher power that will basically throw you away if it doesn't find you useful
green loom
Just like the imperium!
weary bane
i mean at least as long as youre clean nosed the imperium lets you die
urban spire
arctic talon
i mean at least as long as youre clean nosed the imperium lets you die
Then comes your soul dissolving in the warp
urban spire
i'm throwing my lot in with the god of hope thank you very much
arctic talon
Which is nice
weary bane
ah yes, tzeentch, objectively the worse chaos god to follow
cause he just fucks with his followers for kicks
arctic talon
All the gods do that tbf
weary bane
not as bad as tzeentch
queen laurel
yeah i believe in change, like when Tzeentch changed me into a chaos spawn for funzies
urban spire
rather risk being fucked by tzeentch than be industrially fucked by the imperium
arctic talon
Tbh at least when you become a spawn your soul dies
~~can’t say the same about being turned into a living screaming crystal ~~
weary bane
chaos gods turn you into an immortal cosmetic item for kicks
urban spire
imperial propaganda, don't buy into it
weary bane
also didnt some lore recently come out about the golden throne and how its actually reverse, big e is keeping it running, not the other way around/
median marsh
it wasnt intended to be what it is now but emps had no choice but to have it modified
weary bane
i mean we know the throne is actively failing bit by bit
median marsh
a deal with dark eldar was struck to take a look at its malfunction which supposedly bought the imperium a few centuries before its collapse
weary bane
few centuries is 0 time in terms of 40k time span
median marsh
beats having the thing fail in the middle of a great rift opening
weary bane
also the monkey paw with the emperor is, dudes a perpetual, and 100% either will come back or ascend, but thats at the cost of another age of strife esque event that'll nearly eliminate all of humanity worse than the last most likely
median marsh
we dont really know if he is a perpetual like Vulcan which is why the inquisiton and several other factions are so torn about this
Guiliman met him and was having doubts what has become of him after all this time
weary bane
Guiliman met him and was having doubts what has become of him after all this tim...
i mean you sit there suffering torment dealing with the entirety of the galaxy and the warp and hold the same demeanor after 10,000 years
dudes constantly at odds with all the chaos gods, constantly never ending holding a rift closed, and is acting as a beacon for the entire galaxy for the imperium, while also doing shit tons of miracles at a given day
storm jungle
a deal with dark eldar was struck to take a look at its malfunction which suppos...
That pact was just with a single haemonculi and it failed because the haemonculus had an orgasmic moment from the amount of pain the golden throne was putting out and ran to the deepest parts of the palace to make flesh-monsters before an Inquisitor named Erasmus Crowl and some Custodes killed em and the high lords/officials responsible for it.
weary bane
That pact was just with a single haemonculi and it failed because the haemoncul...
didnt the burning light of the emperors massive psyker power basically blind the abilities of the harlequins when they invaded the palace to "deleiver a message to the emperor" or whatever
weary bane
mmm no it was stated by the one she literally lost her ability to see the coming future
storm jungle
they just could feel the output of his power slightly and the suffering of the people all on Terra when they were traversing it
weary bane
and it made her have to try harder fighting
forest orbit
i mean at least as long as youre clean nosed the imperium lets you die
Gets turned into a servitor
storm jungle
Oh jeez I did not see the rest of this chat lmao
weary bane
Oh jeez I did not see the rest of this chat lmao
was bad
median marsh
That pact was just with a single haemonculi and it failed because the haemoncul...
didnt they actually manage to get proper ones later? i remember the original plan of smuggling a haemonculi which backfired spectacularly
storm jungle
didnt they actually manage to get proper ones later? i remember the original pla...
Nah
like haemonculi COULD fix the throne the issue is why would they
storm jungle
yeah Haemonculi are also like Crypteks, they can basically fix/make anything.
more or less walking mcguffin characters
median marsh
found it, it was in the dark city novel
weary bane
Imperium apologism tends to lead to that yeah
nah i just think out of everyone
imperiums in the right
weary bane
gw aint my daddy
storm jungle
Its easy to say this when you aren't in an imperial concentration camp so go off.
Or facing a firing squad.
Or servitorized.
Or lobotimized
etc
median marsh
the dark eldar used their end of the bargain to start developing their own version of golden throne which is kinda bonkers
sometimes black library amuses me to no end
storm jungle
Yeah but thats gonna go nowhere
since THE most random part of that book
which is hilarious because everyone dies by the end of it
so you get a good feeling of "Why did I even read this lol"
median marsh
i feel that way about a lot of things tbh which makes me instantly go and reread ciphias cain
forest orbit
humanity first
Im sure you can remember that when its "humanity" making your life miserable in 40k
storm jungle
i feel that way about a lot of things tbh which makes me instantly go and reread...
yeah like it sucks because rest of the Watchers of the Throne was good
the last book legit made me feel like it wasted my time
median marsh
im still trying to get my hands on the Eisenhorn series
storm jungle
Pretty worth it even if its OLD
median marsh
its this strange thing with BL authors, some are incredibly good
and others you read and then want to turn the clock back so you didnt
storm jungle
Its not strange, its just the usual thing of too many cooks in the kitchen being paid to put this many novels out.
40k has a lot of garbage sci-fi books
median marsh
[pain]
storm jungle
Ahem
median marsh
was it Goto that wrote like 10 pages of eldar torture
storm jungle
yeah and the novel just being dogshit
and really lore inaccurate
hes one of the few rare examples of a BL author who just straight up got fired lol
median marsh
storm jungle
also relevant video
dusk patrol
hes one of the few rare examples of a BL author who just straight up got fired l...
There’s also that guy who checks notes
“Plagiarized huge parts of an Iraq veterans war memoirs for one of his first books for Black Library.”
dusk patrol
storm jungle
There’s also that guy who *checks notes*
“Plagiarized huge parts of an Iraq vet...
YEP
Was resisting mentioning that guy
dusk patrol
That’s a fun one
storm jungle
sounds like cope
Sure thing pal, now shush
also yeah that guy was legit awful
like why the fuck
median marsh
i want a novel entirely written from Ogryns pov
weary bane
Sure thing pal, now shush
storm jungle
<:PepeShrug:765344646325993492>
dusk patrol
Idk why you keep commenting when it seems you haven’t even read most of these books
weary bane
you cant impose authority in a disagremeent over the canon of lore, thats just outside your role
just immature too
dusk patrol
I mean if you read the damn books
storm jungle
I mean I'm not, im just saying almost half the events in the book are wrong and not canon anymore.
dusk patrol
Then you’d know she’s right
storm jungle
you are the same guy that says 40k doesn't have political commentary apparently
weary bane
I mean I'm not, im just saying almost half the events in the book are wrong and ...
well you're coming off as such
weary bane
you are the same guy that says 40k doesn't have political commentary apparently
the rules of this server directly state no discussing irl politics so
dusk patrol
Lilith mostly just fights people and twerks In Commorragh these days
Sometimes at the same time
storm jungle
the rules of this server directly state no discussing irl politics so <:PepeShru...
Theres a difference between that and stuff like what 40k does
like how its literally roman nazi germany
weary bane
Theres a difference between that and stuff like what 40k does
i mean im being called a facist so
storm jungle
ıf you defend the Imperium's actions yeah
because people that do that dont look that good
Im not calling you one but its what other people tend to do lol
forest orbit
40k is a franchise founded on parodying fascist Thatcherite Britain/Europe, political commentary and satire is what its been always about, people that can't accept this don't know what the Imperium's message as a faction is really about and I say this as the Black Templar fan
weary bane
i mean people have diluted the meaning of that word anyways to the point its meaning is mute
storm jungle
Yeah like we literally had people here saying genocide is good. Or that they have "roman ancestry."
That was fun
forest orbit
kill me 💀
queen laurel
Yeah like we literally had people here saying genocide is good. Or that they hav...
sometimes some imperium fans need to be hit in the head so hard that you straight up decapitate that shit
weary bane
i can seperate fiction from reality
forest orbit
as an Imperium fan I approve of this message
median marsh
[pain]
weary bane
those imposing the concept that my enjoyment of the imperium mimics my real thoughts of how things should be
are a bit
concerning
forest orbit
Nobody is saying that dingus lol
forest orbit
got called a facist so
I mean considering the stuff you said i dont blame em lol
dusk patrol
Maybe we should just change the subject
median marsh
i want my plaguebearers >:C
sinful sky
the Imperium is one lol
I mean, I know next to nothing about 40k lore, but from what limited stuff I know the Imperium is also partially built on bureaucracy that loses most of its more important records (such as accurate astartes chapter amounts) due to being ridiculously complex.
queen laurel
i want my plaguebearers >:C
aren't you a slaaneshi cultist
dusk patrol
Curious if they are actually gonna do GSC
weary bane
I mean considering the stuff you said i dont blame em lol
Irony is painful
median marsh
im a step above i am Slaanesh, true and real, i have a certificate
green loom
aren't you a slaaneshi cultist
That would probably be me at this point
storm jungle
Irony is painful
Enough.
dusk patrol
I mean, I know next to nothing about 40k lore, but from what limited stuff I kno...
The Imperium is complicated to say the least with how it’s setup
It’s downright feudal at times
weary bane
Imperium is too diverse to blanket statement it
storm jungle
And yeah the Imperium is a parody of every form of bad/fascist forms of government.
But fascism is still at its core identity.
weary bane
You also mostly see the dramatic negatives more than the average
queen laurel
That would probably be me at this point
brother i am doing my best to not call you slanneshi you are digging yourself the grave here my guy
median marsh
id say you would have a somewhat better life on ultramar
storm jungle
You have mass conscription, propaganda, concentration camps, genetic purity, etc
Its very on the nose for a reason
median marsh
but overall i do not wish to live in the imperium, anywhere, or 40k in general
sinful sky
The Imperium is complicated to say the least with how it’s setup
I mean, there are some people who say that the Imperium is basically the 40k equivalent of Skaven from non-AOS Warhammer Fantasy...
median marsh
storm jungle
but overall i do not wish to live in the imperium, anywhere, or 40k in general
That makes you smarter than most
dusk patrol
I mean, there are some people who say that the Imperium is basically the 40k equ...
Yeah it’s a common thing
Idk if it’s really accurate
storm jungle
its really not
dusk patrol
It’s more complex than that
storm jungle
its mostly as a meme
dusk patrol
There’s some jokey jokey things you can draw comparisons too
But it’s a lot of factions within factions within factions
forest orbit
Yeah Skaven's form of government is also not... uh too complex i guess
dusk patrol
And how they interaction varies a lot
forest orbit
Be the big rat. Make all of the rules 🐀
dusk patrol
Like the whole discussion of how much “power” an Inquisitor has
Technically, they have almost complete authority
In actuality, that can uh
Not be true
Very easily
storm jungle
Yeah its down to IF you can show that said power off.
dusk patrol
Depending on a shitton of things
Who they are, who they know, who they can call on
Who they’re talking to
median marsh
remember that Imperium is also hidden behind 7 thousand miles of red tape too
weary bane
Like the whole discussion of how much “power” an Inquisitor has
Authority depends on what it is in regards too basically
dusk patrol
It’s why so many broad questions get the boring answer of “it depends”
weary bane
Yep
storm jungle
Its kinda entirely down to what kind of resources you have.
normal light
What is the topic of your conversation?
sinful sky
its mostly as a meme
I mean, there are a few things that are the same, like meat grinder tactics for infantry engagements, having only one god that everything is built around, and probably a few other things that idk about.
I am not saying that they are the same, I am just saying that based on my limited lore knowledge the Imperium and Skaven have at least some similarities...
weary bane
Its kinda entirely down to what kind of resources you have.
Inquisitors kidnapping entire company's of inquisitorial stormtroopers after"borrowing them"
storm jungle
I mean, there are a few things that are the same, like meat grinder tactics for ...
Yeah but thats basically almost every Evil Government, skaven do it really well tho so
dusk patrol
GoT has the one scene with Varys I think with the riddle of a Rich Merchant, Priest, and Lord all tell a soldier to kill the other two. And how what happens next depends on where the soldier believes power lies.
median marsh
like we have Grendyl who hasnt showen up in any shape so far, we dont even know if he/she is on mourningstar at all
while others would proudly walk around in full power armor kit
queen laurel
You have mass conscription, propaganda, concentration camps, genetic purity, etc
the imperium after they find out a planet where the genetic information of people is only 99% similar to humans
storm jungle
Damn, I gotta listen to this banger again 😩
sinful sky
Yeah but thats basically almost every Evil Government, skaven do it really well ...
fair point, I guess I should probably leave you guys to chat amongst eachother since you guys literally know more than me...
storm jungle
like we have Grendyl who hasnt showen up in any shape so far, we dont even know ...
Grendyl is a good example yeah, hes literally not even in the same sector as us but has his Interragator (or one of many) operating on his behalf to save an entire world and largely the rest of the secotr.
weary bane
the imperium after they find out a planet where the genetic information of peopl...
I get the joke but they have ogryn and squats and felenids
storm jungle
I get the joke but they have ogryn and squats and felenids
Abhumans are accepted due to being useful
otherwise they'd also get liquadated
dusk patrol
Unironcially in the new Cadia book about the Fall, Greyfax all but sings Hellfire as she’s mooning over Celestine
storm jungle
YEAH
weary bane
Abhumans are accepted due to being useful
Well yeah
storm jungle
Robert Rath had to fucking know
dusk patrol
Like jfc
dusk patrol
Greyfax I get you’re a bit pent up
storm jungle
the language used is very sus
dusk patrol
But goddamn
weary bane
Greyfax needs a little tlc with Celestine
storm jungle
Rath fucking knew
weary bane
dusk patrol
You’re in the middle of the battle for Cadia how can you be this horny
green loom
They're just prayer mates fr fr
median marsh
Stuff with a Greater Daemon Angel of the Emperor 
storm jungle
Celefax is the only thing in the setting that makes sense because their audio drama with each other has them being nothing but playful for eachother for like an hour 💀
median marsh
apparently my earlier message had a forbidden word
queen laurel
the language used is **very** sus
yeah i'm pretty sure back then it was just you know some joke but the book makes it look like GW decided to hijack a rhino and drive that thing directly into a fortress monastery
weary bane
apparently my earlier message had a forbidden word
From someone named slaaneshi? I can't see why
storm jungle
If it helps put people at ease I'm also included in the bot's firing range
normal light
How fast topics change 
weary bane
How fast topics change <:Guarded:972247035128447086>
Whiplash
dusk patrol
As long as we don’t actually get a scene with them ever idc. But I do not need a BL author to actually write me Celestine and Greyfax fanfic
dusk patrol
I do that on my own time
queen laurel
If it helps put people at ease I'm also included in the bot's firing range
the bot got that flash git aim
weary bane
Remember what we lost
median marsh
like tides of chaos we are ever changing
dusk patrol
Loophole bitches
normal light
The term is whiplash
Ok
weary bane
Things are changing so fast you're looking from side to side at each discussion
It gives you whiplash
median marsh
im still curious what exactly did Grendyl send out of the system
a request for reinforcements? action report?
dusk patrol
We don’t know but
Considering the time period
It’s likely there’s just no one to help
Everyone is stretched super thin
storm jungle
Yeah Hadron says help is not coming
weary bane
I have a question
median marsh
with the Great Rift yawning across the known galaxy its understandable
weary bane
Of utter importance
dusk patrol
There’s a line in a book with Guilliman how everyday he has to pick which worlds fall and don’t
queen laurel
Yeah Hadron says help is not coming
yeah, good thing the damage done to the planet is still reversible
dusk patrol
But Grendyl seems to see something in Atoma so for now it’s got us
median marsh
i really liked the cinematic showing how imperial propaganda shows things vs how it actually is
dusk patrol
I am curious as to the why with Grendyl
median marsh
Atoma from what i gathered is like a bastion on the fringes
median marsh
if it falls, whatever forces the "Darktide" is will have a path deeper and i think the imperium does NOT want that
dusk patrol
“There’s a hidden artifact here” thing
I’d prefer Grendyl just prioritize it because it’s value or something
weary bane
There’s a line in a book with Guilliman how everyday he has to pick which worlds...
Speaking of g-man. My favorite tidbit was his difficulty picking parchment off the floor with his gauntlets and basically inability to bend at the waste
Waist
Words hadd
Hard
Fuck
dusk patrol
Those scenes are funny
weary bane
Love em
median marsh
Big G waking up and immediately going "What the fuck did you do to our fucking dream" had me feeling
weary bane
Humanizing elements of bigger than life people
Is my favorite humor
Albeit also the knowledge of ultra depression
dusk patrol
median marsh
I’d prefer Grendyl just prioritize it because it’s value or something
i think preventing it from becoming a Daemon world alone is a pretty good reason
dusk patrol
Similar scene in the Calgar comic
queen laurel
Big G waking up and immediately going "What the fuck did you do to our fucking d...
It's like waking up only to see your house on fire and not just your house but everything around outside your house is also on fire
median marsh
true
dusk patrol
Also his quarters and rooms he stays in have three types of furniture
weary bane
Lion came back to immediately throwing hands
median marsh
i remember when..i think it was perturabo? solution to angron was to just fill him with gunfire
weary bane
Lion finding out his brother gman is alive was a bit of a tearful moment
median marsh
dusk patrol
Lion barely wins
weary bane
i remember when..i think it was perturabo? solution to angron was to just fill h...
The best kind of solution
dusk patrol
i remember when..i think it was perturabo? solution to angron was to just fill h...
He doesn’t really do that to beat him tbf
It’s just the opener
He takes him down in melee still
weary bane
Ima say it
dusk patrol
He just cuts him off from his men and source of power
weary bane
I prefer perty
dusk patrol
I don’t dislike him I just
Have some issues with some of his fans online
Lots of wanks that happen about his deeds
storm jungle
Lots of wanks that happen about his deeds
HH Fans Moment
dusk patrol
Yeah I’m not saying you it just gets really uh
weary bane
Did carry the fuckin hell at out the siege then rage quit when the raid leader started telling him to give dps to the other members of the party
dusk patrol
Tiresome with Perty Stans
median marsh
im a vulcan enjoyer, especially the time when konrad forgot that his hammer can function as a hammer
dusk patrol
I like Ferrus which is nice since no one has ever read the like four passages on him
dusk patrol
Hilarious and original
green loom
Concerning
weary bane
Concerning
weary bane
Hilarious and original
storm jungle
Did carry the fuckin hell at out the siege then rage quit when the raid leader s...
It was less that and more uh
imagine joining a match in TF2 as the engineer
and literally all your team is doing is taunt spamming at spawn and fucking around and the enemy almost has the payload at the blow point
weary bane
and literally all your team is doing is taunt spamming at spawn and fucking arou...
Yeahhhh
dusk patrol
And then your team leader turns on his cheat engine he had
weary bane
Perty was literally the only one still souly focused on the whole war
green loom
Dorn isn't losing as fast as he'd like and he also isn't being reaffirmed in his special status, so obviously he thinks they all hate him and fuck off
dusk patrol
He wanted to beat Dorn by beating him in siege warfare
He left when he realized he wasn’t winning
Chaos was
It wouldn’t be his victory that he wanted
median marsh
i dont know much about Ferrus but his story is tragic, man also drowned a dragon iirc
Fulgrim is a b i t c h
weary bane
I mean he was winning by all means, like, literally, but then horus was like "okay pert now give control over to the others and let em do their thing" it's like telling the dude who's entire life is about the task at hand then going "let your shit cousins do it FAR WORSE"
storm jungle
i dont know much about Ferrus but his story is tragic, man also drowned a dragon...
Fulgrim/Ferrus arc is basically Guts/Griffith but less well written
weary bane
I'd be mad as shit too
dusk patrol
He intentionally tells different stories of how his arms came about
And never confirms any
green loom
I mean Pert also was struggling
weary bane
For good reason
green loom
Where daemonic forces just run through with next to no issue lol
weary bane
Where daemonic forces just run through with next to no issue lol
Sanguinius says otherwise
dusk patrol
But it worked cause Chaos
weary bane
Held that shit SOLO BOYYYY
green loom
Or in Saturnine
dusk patrol
He hated that they were using dumb irrational tactics
green loom
Most of the SoH task force gets wiped
dusk patrol
And it was working cause Chaos
green loom
But Fulgrim just bashes through
median marsh
dusk patrol
It’s basically the issue of Chaos
weary bane
So basically what Dilara said
dusk patrol
Fulgrim is kicking Dorn’s ass
dusk patrol
Basically, but it’s also he wasn’t gonna win how he wanted
Chaos was gonna be the victors not him
He wouldn’t have earned it
And he knew that
Dorn would never know he was better
green loom
It's just a repeat of him vs that sculptor guy on Olympia lol
weary bane
Hey I heard tts triggers lore purists, this true?
dusk patrol
Yes
weary bane
dusk patrol
It’s funny sometimes but
green loom
I wouldn't even say Lore purists, just people who've hung around for a while
dusk patrol
It’s very uh
green loom
You get to see it repeated 5 million times
dusk patrol
Inaccurate, overdone jokes
green loom
And it's just 1d4chan jokes
dusk patrol
People take it as real lore a lot or a good source of info
weary bane
I take it as a good source of generalized information put into a hyperbolic summary
Not something to take exact but it feeds enough to give the general gist
That took forever to load
Thanks mobile
Out of context video
weary bane
Magnus is a dumb dumb
median marsh
poor magnus
green loom
He's not poor, he knows what he did
weary bane
Magnus is almost as stupid as erda
median marsh
the one thing everyone can agree with is that Emperor is an awful father
weary bane
tbh I wouldn't say awful, he was just taken out of the preparation he had preferred and was rushed in a lot of senses
Dude had a literal whole villa set up for him and his sons
storm jungle
That's mostly to make them "feel" at home.
A lot of the books confirm he just did not care for his sons at least the non-successful/ass-kissy ones
weary bane
Again, intent vs what he got. He had goals in mind and objectives to achieve and its within reason not to allow emotion to cloud the judgement and path to said goal
median marsh
like thunder warriors they werent really sons, more like means to an end like thunder warriors were
why did i type it twice
brain function depleted
weary bane
I mean in general he has his purpose set whole on humanity's future
median marsh
im like that poor servitor, pieces of my mind are floating away
weary bane
One could almost say humanity as the species, is his favored child
Beyond all else
Sure there are massive moments of hypocrisy and otherwise outright bullshit he does for seemingly no other alternative purpose
dusk patrol
His relationship with his sons is complicated to say the least
weary bane
Extremely
dusk patrol
Malcador and Valdor comment about how he started off being uncaring
But overtime started calling them by names and not it
weary bane
I feel he wanted to love them properly, but considering the dudes well over 50k years old
Yeah
dusk patrol
Started getting more attached
weary bane
Out of touch isn't the start of it
The biggest reasoning for his treatment is
Facts don't give a shit about feelings. And feelings cloud judgement
As we saw with horus
By all means he's seen what emotions do to people over his entire lifespan, and he has probably had his countless moments of mistakes from his earliest moments and had probably developed such a cold state purely to make goals happen
But he began to feel for horus as his son, and we saw what happened there. I wouldn't doubt he has doubled down even more permanently now due to that
Which describes why his interaction with g man went so horrifically for g man
crisp heath
I mean the emperor's personality is a bit inconsistent and he's been portrayed a few different ways over 40ks longer history
But the general "emotional timeline" GW seems to roll with now is that he was emotionally normal, if a bit conceited, for most of history, then during the unification wars he became very cold and machievellian, and then towards the end of the great crusade he was starting to warm up again
Imagine you're going to therapy and things are just starting to be normal in life again, and then your son makes a pact with Satan, conquers half the galaxy, and stabs you. Life's tough man
storm jungle
I mean the emperor's personality is a bit inconsistent and he's been portrayed a...
Yeah people forget this a lot.
Hes basically a badly written character with pre-set goals and has moments where he has ot act like a moron for the sake of the plot.
The issue is BL writers try to "patch" these mistakes as him entirely being aware of them and knowingly doing them or being shown as fallible when that's not the case at all.
"Oh he just doesnt get normal humans"
"Oh he doesn't understand emotions"
"Oh hes just looking at the bigger picture"
crisp heath
Not even that, he was a bit of set dressing until the mid 2000s. He was just there in the background and anything that was said about him was to make the setting feel the right way.
storm jungle
Literally yes lmao
crisp heath
Until recently he was more like a curtain instead of a person
urban spire
what is up with this firing stance in 40k
green loom
Yeah it dynamic
median marsh
remember, the cooler you look the more powerful you are
celest dome
Well we gotta wait before that
median marsh
I wonder why Imperial Guard loses so much low ranking officers
never ask a Catachan jungle fighter what happened to their commissar
urban spire
Well we gotta wait before that
have they confirmed anything?
celest dome
No, but they didn't close the door on it like in Vt2
celest dome
My condolences
storm jungle
Seconded
queen laurel
Thirded
crystal forum
quartered
coarse pumice
what is up with this firing stance in 40k
It’s in a straight line that’s easy to make a one piece sculpt for an old cast for metal minis
thick cedar
What if tech priests uncover "Cope, Seethe, Mald" memes from our time and think its Khorne corruption
median marsh
Woe be upon thee, for the explorator fleet has recovered the data bank containing a vast ocean of data inscribed as "YouTube"
versed ledge
Ew grey knights
shadow plover
Turns out Pariah Nexus was only 3 episodes but it was a very good 3 episodes
thick cedar
Woe be upon thee, for the explorator fleet has recovered the data bank containin...
Imagine them finding twitter
median marsh
terror
shadow plover
it is what it is
rose thorn
Yea
My next vote is rogue traders
And then like, idk death watch?
Imma be honest an ork centric show does not sound very good
old junco
pariah nexus was good
spare osprey
What faction should have their own show next?
Next big show GW put out is probably gonna be astartes 2
winter vessel
For a preacher, the one in Pariah Nexus seems pretty chill. Doesn’t seem to be the kind that screeches in your ear about dying for the god-emperor or calling out blasphemy on somebody who just sneezed.
green loom
I mean he does do it, he's just kinda terrified
winter vessel
Think the last time I ever knew an ecclesiarchal priest that wasn’t raving mad was Asavan Tortellius from the Helsreach book.
fading bridge
Imma be honest an ork centric show does not sound very good
it should be a very violent but immature cartoon
urban spire
40k is at its most boring when it's pretending to be high fantasy
fading bridge
Eldar : Boring, got it
urban spire
as the focus of a whole show yeah
storm jungle
Eldar aren't boring
people just got an extremely short attention span
honestly then again can be said about any faction
jade holly
What chapter is Pertuabo the primarch of?
urban spire
the order of the golden dawn
urban spire
oh wrong perturabo
storm jungle
LMAO
jade holly
Ok that’s why I thought he was primarch of the Iron Hands
storm jungle
yeah GW naming is stupid af ignore it
jade holly
I need to remember Ferris Manus is literally Latin for Iron Hands
Is the Imperial Fists armor yellow or gold?
urban spire
yellow
storm jungle
theres morse code?
green loom
Morose code
edgy bluff
green loom
I feel like it's just glitchy fx
I'll see if I can jumble something with my limited knowledge later
edgy bluff
.. --. .. --
I think thats what I heard but in morse code translator that's "IGIM" doesn't make much sense
unless each letters is a abbreviation of something
median marsh
iirc someone a whiiile back did find some supposedly hidden voice in the static
but i need to search for it
urban spire
though that name is deprecated so maybe not
storm jungle
Yeah i dont think this is anything
when companies put morse code they tend to keep it a bit more isolated and obvious
median marsh
most likely filler really
storm jungle
yeee
celest dome
I think it's modem sounds and the sort
median marsh
imperial dial up
urban spire
binaric cant
rose thorn
To be fair imperial vox is complete trash
It can barely even pierce the pollution on some planets
urban spire
vox beads are trash
a backpack vox unit can talk to ships in orbit and disrupt enemy communications at the same time with a skilled operator
wyrmwood probably has some kind of small concealed vox unit
vox beads iirc have a range of about a kilometer, but can use a backpack vox as a relay
rose thorn
Fair
versed ledge
I really wish we had suppressed weapons
versed ledge
Lasguns are loud, auto guns are loud, and being loud attracts the hornets nest
celest dome
The way we fight by itself is loud. We're with Ogryns, Zealots...
There is no nest to attract, we're in the nest
versed ledge
If we're in the nest, then all the more reason for stealth
celest dome
Stealth is the antithesis of Tide games
versed ledge
Fair
rose thorn
i dont think i ve ever seen a silencer in 40k
versed ledge
Wait....now that you mentioned it, are there even silencers in 40k?
One would assume the officio assasinorum would have them
Maybe the Astartes
celest dome
Neddler ? They are pretty silent iirc
versed ledge
The vindicare assassins have one
celest dome
Excidius or something close. Not sure if they are silent.
Flechette guns for the Admech are somewhat silent
versed ledge
In dawn of war, the exitus rifles are just loud. But snipers are rarely heard and never seen
weary bane
Out of most primarchs most likely to come back after the lion
Who yall got money on
Rogal died in the moat cliche "not actually dead" method ever. Corvis corax is being a literal paralysis demon to logar, both lemun russ and khan went "ima go mess around"
weary bane
I mean considering how he died
His resurrection isn't beyond the realm of possibility
celest dome
Rogal died in the moat cliche "not actually dead" method ever. Corvis corax is b...
Rogal went from Dead to MIA. So he is alive, abliet without his Dextre
weary bane
Rogal went from Dead to MIA. So he is alive, abliet without his Dextre
Who confirmed mia?
I mean he never was confirmed dead either
arctic talon
He was confirmed dead in the past
The fists had his body
But they retconned them having his body
They just have his hand now
weary bane
Good change
spare osprey
His resurrection isn't beyond the realm of possibility
but it'd be the dumbest return
i mean out of any of the picks for a loyalist
dumbest is ferrus
next dumb is rogal
celest dome
Why would Rogal be dumb ?
spare osprey
least set up
nothing going on for his sons that he needs to come back for, he wouldn't add as much to the current setting as a primarch like khan
plus i think it'd be neat in general to have a primarch who could've come back actually be dead
dusk patrol
Any answer other than Russ is copium
spare osprey
plus i think it'd be neat in general to have a primarch who could've come back a...
same reason i think both alpharius and omegon are dead
whole situation is just their sons being schizos
celest dome
1 is dead the other is pretty much alive
spare osprey
i still think it'd be funny with them both dead
makes 0 sense but make it a black rage situation
the death of the primarchs starts to fuck with the legions sense of self
"i am alpharius for i know no other name"
storm jungle
it is what it is
Just finished Episode 3
I really shouldn't have laughed when it cut to black but I dıd 💀
rose thorn
Out of most primarchs most likely to come back after the lion
leman probs
after fulgrim its either leman or sang
weary bane
Omegon is alive till stated otherwise
Or is it alpharius
arctic talon
It’s omegon
weary bane
Bad meme is bad meme
weary bane
Didn't alpharius/omegon have the ability to transfer their conciousness between their sons through some psycher ritual bs
arctic talon
No
rose thorn
i dont remember where but they said
warning, very stupid and lore breaking official statement
||every primarch is planned to return to 40k.||
weary bane
Or was that explicitly brain washing to the max
arctic talon
But if their sons drank their blood
rose thorn
it was like an interview or osmething
arctic talon
They’d start thinking they were Alpharius
Like
Brainwashed fully
Till it wore off a few days later
green loom
I really shouldn't have laughed when it cut to black but I dıd 💀
Dilara I require your opinion
storm jungle
Whats up
crisp heath
Are primaris taller and stronger then ogryn?
Im sure it’s really damn close either way
storm jungle
Ogryns and Marines are on equal ground when it comes to strenght
as per height uhhh
Primaris are A BIT taller and thats kind of it.
weary bane
Another more bizarre method of disguising himself further saw Alpharius use his Librarians to apparently switch bodies with members of his Legion, as was the case with Kel Silonius
@arctic talon says here he could
arctic talon
Another more bizarre method of disguising himself further saw Alpharius use his ...
Ah
weary bane
thank you random Lexicanum citation providers
Got the book? Go open it up
Prove it wrong
arctic talon
Are primaris taller and stronger then ogryn?
The average ogryn is stronger then the average marine
Even with primaris augments
crisp heath
I remember hearing a story of an ogryn dragging a whole tank to their commissar so that’s why I wondered if ogryns were stronger
storm jungle
Got the book? Go open it up
I said them not you dingus
arctic talon
Ogryn are absurdly strong
weary bane
I remember hearing a story of an ogryn dragging a whole tank to their commissar ...
Chimera wasn't it
crisp heath
Something big
storm jungle
Prove it wrong<:PepeShrug:765344646325993492>
crisp heath
Not good with names
weary bane
thank you random Lexicanum citation providers
Oh was that a positive connotation?
storm jungle
Yeah
weary bane
Thank christ
storm jungle
Am I crazy or does this have mild Miguel vibes
ALMOST, Miguel puts some illusion of detail to the center places and the spots people focus on the most but this is still good
weary bane
The wiki is just hell, all I see there is so much info with 0 source to em
Me: tf this from?
green loom
ALMOST, Miguel puts some illusion of detail to the center places and the spots p...
Yeee I'm not too far in yet
Pretty proud ngl
green loom
Thank you Jean for the gesture book 
green loom
Me: tf this from?
The Votaan page on fandom is like
outer wave
Odd question: is it possible for Ogryns or other abhumans to become Space Marines if given the chance?
storm jungle
The wiki is just hell, all I see there is so much info with 0 source to em
My favorite thing with the wiki is uh
"Hey guys where can I read the Imperial Armor books?"
Most people: You gotta buy em or use WH+
Me: Literally go read the wiki, its all copy pasted
weary bane
But yeah
green loom
Odd question: is it possible for Ogryns or other abhumans to become Space Marine...
Ogryn are pretty much there already, other abhoomins probably wouldn't respond well to the dozen or so extra organs
weary bane
So we KNOE alpharius was capable of transferring himself between bodies soooo
is he truly dead
outer wave
Ogryn are pretty much there already, other abhoomins probably wouldn't respond w...
I think they never tried it due to Xenophobia
But imagine an Ogryn space marine
Basically wearing Termie armor by default
weary bane
The way gw writes them its literally impossible to know
They write them overly complex and "mysterious" "or is it?" Bs
It's hard to trust a single thing surrounding the two
outer wave
Fuck it, that should be Ogres in space
Aside from an actual ogre faction
Give it to me GW
weary bane
Don't tau have some big ass uh, pacifist species as big as at least a knight
outer wave
Im not sure, but considering they're basically the Covenant but 40k'd, I wouldnt be surprised
weary bane
They do its just I can't remember their names
weary bane
You don't need to marine Ogryns, they're already tuff enuf
Solar auxilia marines ogryns
Forgot what they were called
outer wave
I dont care how redundant that is
celest dome
Forgot what they were called
Charonites
