40k-lore-chat

[queen laurel]

No, an Ork would rather die than to follow someone not an ork

They will respect him as a good fighter though

[crisp heath]

that sounds fair

[queen laurel]

or a Grod, which stands for best friend/ favorite Enemy

[frosty stag]

Could i beat an unarmored space marine in an arm wrestle

[queen laurel]

need i say more

[frosty stag]

What if he was really nice

Could i win then

[queen laurel]

Maybe a salamander sure

[frosty stag]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-lets-goo-lest-gooooooooooooooooo-gif-19416648

[green loom]

Apparently people are using this as an argument against fem marines, which is funny, because this is probably meant to show the wolf in a bad light

[queen laurel]

Female marines again?

sigh people are stupid

[green loom]

At this point there is no argument, it's a bunch of people that really don't like women gloating about it for some reason

[queen laurel]

yeah may as well just ignore them

[silver pollen]

Technically said "Allfather" could be whatever he wanted - man, woman, whatever. After all he was the "motherf***ing Emperor" (direct quote).

[storm jungle]

The emperor has no set form yeah

He can either be a man or a woman if he wanted due to his biomancy powers.

[silver pollen]

Real question is: could he teach his sons the same trick?

[green loom]

Magnus probably

Iirc he did do some shape shifting

Mostly just growing

[silver pollen]

Like, they are not Alpha ++ psykers, but warp-fuckery was involved in the creation nevertheless.

[green loom]

Imo they all have some innate biomancy thing, that passively did it's thing

Which is why they matched their planets, looks wise

[silver pollen]

BTW, is there still some sort of holywar about female spacemarines? I thought, it is quite old at this point.

[green loom]

There's a bunch of weirdos who really, really hate the idea because it's "woke" and will constantly whine about it

[shadow plover]

Weird chuds get real pissy about the idea of even considering them still

[green loom]

You ask me they're just using it as an outlet for sexism

[storm jungle]

The entire reason femarines aren't a thing is because GW knows it will upset the fanbase.

So theres nothing in lore really stopping it.

[shadow plover]

Well the vocal minority of the fanbase

[normal light]

Sisters Of Battles are already something of a Space Marines

[shadow plover]

Not thematically really

But not getting into that now

[normal light]

Difference is that they are not biologicaly engineered

[storm jungle]

Speaking as a woman

its not the same thing

literally just "oh its girls with bolters"

[green loom]

Also not really comparable

Like

[normal light]

I meant if we get some point to match , Both use Power Armor , Both use bolter weapons as main weaponary

[green loom]

Marines make up a majority of GW profits, and it's NOT close

[storm jungle]

Thats pretty much where it ends.

so again, not the same thing.

[normal light]

true

[queen laurel]

Please can we derail this conversation before it hits the great wall

[storm jungle]

Im not really asking for femarines because its down to when GW wants to add them in for more money but not anytime soon probably. They could have done it with the Primaris release but chickened out.

[storm jungle]

Oh shit right

[silver pollen]

Well, modifications are supposedly attuned to hormonal balance of male. So, if to involve some technoheresy, female marines may be the thing - purely theoretically.

On the other hand, using males only is just more practical - women are more vital for manpower replenishment while males are a bit more "evolutionary expendable".

[storm jungle]

Bro

the Imperium has literal superscience

this entire hormone excuse is just 💀

[queen laurel]

Oh brother in Gork and Mork

[silver pollen]

And forgot the dark magic of autoloaders so space macrocanons are loaded by slaves pulling chains.

[storm jungle]

And please don't ever say that last bit with "vital for manpower replenishment" again 💀

[storm jungle]

Yet space marines are still made with genetic tech

yet somehow splitting X Y chromosomes is impossible

[queen laurel]

The imperium has a literal rejuvenation treatments, a female space marine is possible

[silver pollen]

Well, I tried to put it less offensive. Humans are a resource for Imperium, no human rights, nothing.

[forest orbit]

I mean

women still get high places in the Imperium

[green loom]

Idk if reproduction is the issue I don't think guard would recruit women

[forest orbit]

this literally has nothing to do with breeding

[queen laurel]

Ok ok can we please put the weapons down before we blow up this chat again

[forest orbit]

This lol

[green loom]

Like marine candidates are rare monsters anyway

On designated worlds

[storm jungle]

Yep this is a dumb subject anyway

[queen laurel]

Yeah the ork guy says put your weapons down

[green loom]

I'm really excited for rogue trader now

[queen laurel]

It's not looking good

[normal light]

Don’t Imperium reproduce citizens in artificial way?

Not cloning

[storm jungle]

They reproduce them through vats sometimes but its mostly for mechanicus

[silver pollen]

Krieg, I think.

[green loom]

Vitae wombs are tech used sometimes

[storm jungle]

Humans still get naturally made

as history has shown IRL even in the most depressing/bleak situations people will still try to make kids

No fucking idea why but still

[silver pollen]

Evolutionary mechanism. After all, in the baseline human is an animal.

[normal light]

Also don’t they usually do so?

[storm jungle]

I dont think ill be thinking of evolution and how much I want a husband when im running halfway across some wartorn country

[green loom]

Most Regiments don't discriminate

[storm jungle]

also that too

the Imperium isnt that sexist

Mostly because the writers know that would be dumb to include lol

[green loom]

The only one I know of is like, Vostroyans
But they have a full story about a woman being recruited and proving herself so lol

[queen laurel]

Yeah and this country is being invaded by gigantic dinosaur bugs that can shoot a poison crystal with enough force to puncture a tank

[green loom]

"Firstborn Daughter" is the story I think

[storm jungle]

yeeee thats the one

[green loom]

Think one of the big shots goes
"This guy was the first lowborn officer in the regiment's history, and there's been a score since, who's to say you'll be the last woman" or something after she gets sent off

[storm jungle]

Yeah sexism exists in some places in the Imperium but its usually to set up the female character to rise above that prejudice a bit and prove herself

because male writers be male writers

[silver pollen]

Well, when Emperor made spacemarines, all he had was Terra and not even whole Terra, just a settlement. Also he was on tight schedule to the point where he deliberately made expendable and highly unstable genomod soldiers whose modifications were the main casualty cause during Unification Wars.

So, I'd summarize that theoretically female SM could be the thing, but they were not - and there may be found logical explanation of why not. Well, more logical than Holy Terra being in the wrong part of Milky Way because it was moved there somewhen in the past for the lulz.

[shadow plover]

Logical explanation: The Emperor was/is misogynistic

[storm jungle]

They are not a thing because GW doesn't want to upset their piggy-bank marine fanbase.

This isn't a complex subject, let's not drag it out.

[silver pollen]

Does not wanting to doom women to the life full of combat and further inevitable extermination in the endless conquest of Galaxy making him misogynistic?

[storm jungle]

Last warning

move on

[green loom]

December can't come fast enough

[silver pollen]

And what's there?

[green loom]

Gonna make my guard general lady for RT

Rogue Trader CRPG

[silver pollen]

Oh, yeah... Damn, where to find time to play everything...

Hope, this time Owlcat made it more user friendly than Pathfinder. Character creation screen alone made me reconsider my choices.

[green loom]

Wrath was great

Starting chapter was pretty rough tbh but I loved it

RT seems so nice also

[silver pollen]

I compare it with BG3 - that was easier to create someone and not bork design right at the start.

[silver pollen]

BTW, about RT - I missed that out, does the combat is still the same real time with active pause abomination?

[green loom]

Don't think it has real time

[knotty saffron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz0wbfoyt48

[green loom]

https://youtu.be/cC7B8M9kLZk?si=VmhhmD7oI5AxAGWm

[queen laurel]

Hold on a minute did they just say warhammer the old world

Like the one they annihilated with the end times

[green loom]

Yeah, did you not know they were making a Horus Heresy style game for it lol

[queen laurel]

No

Mainly because i don't care for warhammer unless it's orks

[queen laurel]

Ohh damn

[normal light]

DAMN THAT`S GOOD

Good Old World

[normal light]

Orks will be a part of this game

[celest dome]

orcs

[normal light]

Here https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1111374028054208533/1158437427371851837/CsKw43KLHs5Rr4ot.png?ex=651c3e6d&is=651aeced&hm=e16c01c788f73602d597b470434fd3db5c54d50b6457e94b8f34924aaac2d733&

And other factions whom will get some rules
The Old World, but will be provided with rules at the launch of the game.

Dark Elves
Skaven
Vampire Counts
Daemons of Chaos
Ogre Kingdoms
Lizardmen
Chaos Dwarfs

Information from here 👇
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/05/23/old-world-development-diary-the-main-factions-revealed/

[fervent folio]

Thanks ^^

[rose thorn]

shout out the Escher's religion who believe tehe emperor is a lady, let me se eif i can find more details

baout it

i know there was a name for thier religion

pls why does necromund ahave the worse lore wikis

anyway the idea is that the emperor was a lady who managed to give births to 9 sons

shock of shocks

i mean its kinda true

i just want to know where htey got that from besides being,,, house esher

[arctic talon]

They prolly just don’t get challenged about it

[rose thorn]

actually necromunda has alot of religious differenc which is always great

[arctic talon]

Plenty of interpretations

[arctic talon]

Flesh grinder moment

[rose thorn]

despite most cawdor gangs working together, they do get into battles over the smallest details

(and now they are getting into fights over which necromundan saint is the best)

i cant remember which one it was, but most cawdor follow the garbage picker religion

reuse everything, live in literally the worst spots possible

because apparently the emperor made the imperium out of the scraps of humanity

imagine if a cawdor sees a custodie

[celest dome]

Not even just Necromunda, the Imperial Faith is full of sub cults

[rose thorn]

i wasnt sure how deep it goes, i know alot of knight worlds have different religions but i wasnt sure how main land went

im pretty sure theres a knight world that sees the emepror as the god of the harvest

Also the necromundan saints are amazing

Let me find trh list

I have a soft spot for the saint of knives

[echo vault]

Chaos dwarfs getting included is fucking insane to think about

because all they were was a FW line in 2010

[normal light]

I played Chaos Dwarfes in 9th WFB Fan Edition

[echo vault]

They're getting the attention they deserve

[normal light]

It was funny to have Armored Chaos Dwarfs with Shields and Shotguns

[celest dome]

Not that strange, they have been teased about in AoS, they might get some overlapping units

[echo vault]

It's good I think they kept some of the Chorf stuff up post end times because they applied all the FW supplements like CHorfs and Tamurkhan into AOS

BUT ITS ALL GONE NOW

I have the pdfs saved tho

[celest dome]

Wait you could have Chaos Dwarf with shield and Blunderbuss or Fyreglaives ?

[normal light]

There was a unit of Dwarfes armed with Blunderbusses and Shields

[echo vault]

basically most of the units and vehicles in the TW3 DLC had models

except hobgoblins, laborers, and such

Like I don't think the main battleline was modeled so they're completely new, but like the ironsworn and the vehicles and I think some of the leaders had models in FW resin

I forget the site I found this on it was a great catalog for seeing all FW models for a faction

If the chorf is edgy its probably from the redo they got in the late 2000s 2010s

[normal light]

9th Edition

[echo vault]

chorfs in old world implies potentially more chorfs in aos, would be cool

[arctic talon]

Chorfs have been being hinted at

a ton in new AoS stuff

they're inevtible imo

[rose thorn]

what about

chelves

we have had both chaos dwarves and chaos elf models in mianly warcry and underworld

but mianly in lesser cults

[storm jungle]

we'll get Malekith's homeboys first

the shadowgitz as it were

[rose thorn]

pls dont be super cringy bullshit pls dont be super cringy bullshit, dark elves can be cool pls

[storm jungle]

[rose thorn]

40k amazing dark elves, its flesh torture bullshit but priates and politics

old world is okay

[storm jungle]

to be fair you say that like AoS model lines dont slap every time

its almost a guranteed homerun with every release

[rose thorn]

true

necromunda and aos, rae usually the best models

[storm jungle]

its really weird but true

[rose thorn]

the new model for necromunda is so far the only one i dont like

unless it comes in a group of like one other criminal syndicate

like the merchants or the slopper and scabber

otherwise

AAAAAAA this shit is amazing

[green loom]

Interesting how much good stuff can come out when the designers are told to

You know

Design

[normal light]

Silly goobers approaching

[rose thorn]

im about to sink like 100 bucks into delaque i swear

they are my favorite gang

i mean

house gang

[green loom]

A true Delaque-acy

[rose thorn]

im currently sinking 100 bucks into outcasts

because,,,, outcasts

[green loom]

Do you use the baller ass rogue palanite model

[celest dome]

Outcast ? Ash nomads ?

[rose thorn]

the ashwood? yeah hes gonna be my leader for my first outcast gang lol

[normal light]

I don’t know if I would get my hands on Necromunda stuff it will be Cawdors 100%

[rose thorn]

hes gonna arrive in a few weeks since i maanaged to get a good deal on the other side of the planet

[green loom]

Based

I like palanites, style wise

But i'd probably do my own gang thing with more rough rogue palanites

[celest dome]

I love them, and their Sancioner Automata

[normal light]

Traitor Palanites

[green loom]

I mean godamn

[storm jungle]

Every mini just slaps

illegal behavior

[normal light]

I like Cawdor for their semi-medieval style

[rose thorn]

like the badzone enforcers! (i know they were a gimmick but pls update them gw)

[normal light]

Only in 42 Millennium you could look as freaking peasant from 14th century living in under hive

[celest dome]

Bad Zone Enforcer

[rose thorn]

even the less good models always come in great deals or are amazing kitbash materal

[green loom]

Think vigilante militia trained by like, a single rogue squad and their ringleader

[rose thorn]

with out a doubt this lady's torso is gonan eb seperate

[rose thorn]

yea thats what ashwood likes to do

round up a gang of justice seeking dudes and enforce his own form of law

hes not that terrible of a guy shockingly

[green loom]

"Ashwood Vigilants"

[rose thorn]

let me pull up the gang he is mentioned in

[green loom]

Ooo

Or maybe

Necromunda harpers

[celest dome]

Harpers as in the DnD Bard/Police ?

[green loom]

Yeah

[celest dome]

Make them a Noise Cult of Slaanesh

[green loom]

Maybe with a more metal twist

[celest dome]

Old Necromunda had rules for chaos cults and you could get special weapons iirc, and for Slaanesh you could get some Noise weapons

[green loom]

I might design a collection of "good" groups

[rose thorn]

found it

[green loom]

Oooo Regulators is a good name

[storm jungle]

add "tor" to the end of anything and it just works 👌

[rose thorn]

FRRR

[green loom]

Wonder how I would go about making some guys for them

[rose thorn]

yea my head cannon is that he just creates groups of (so and so) regulators to be milita police

[celest dome]

Ash Waste + Enforcers ?

[green loom]

I doubt they'd all get the enforcer armour is the thing

Hmm

[celest dome]

Ash Waste and Orlock ? Or just Orlock

[green loom]

I might look to do like

crude Kevlar or smthn

[celest dome]

Or even a mix of every House, to signify that he picked the good eggs from the gangs

[rose thorn]

i love these guys

Shame I don’t love cawdor lol

[celest dome]

Did the Enforcer get vehicle ?

[green loom]

Ok damn the update is looking really promising

[celest dome]

What update ? The DT one ?

[green loom]

Yeah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFROFxrwnCQ&ab_channel=JFJ

[versed ledge]

I always wondered how the imperial guard survives against a necron attack

Lasgun tickle their average warriors, and battle tanks become paper mache projects to burn in gauss fire

And mind shackle scarabs with nanometer sized machines

[rose thorn]

Not yet, I don’t remember if they have rules for gang only vehicles, but they will probably get some soon. They are still going through all the gang specific ash waste stuff

Ash waste delaque when :(

[green loom]

They usually just

Don't

Sometimes though, the necron legions just get marched through with minimal oversight

Like there's a short story iirc where the surviving guard form a sort of guerilla resistance just mass bombing necron formations because the overlords are busy bickering

[versed ledge]

So the guard fights like humanity in Terminator then

And this is with or without the aid of powered armor toting forces?

[green loom]

Ye

Necrons are scary but the lower levels one are pretty stupid unless lead

[versed ledge]

But tough to kill nonetheless

Does bolter rounds even work against them?

[green loom]

Explosives does do they jobs

[rose thorn]

And still have a de atomizing guns

[rose thorn]

Their metal can heal it self, but the rule of 40k is everything can die to enough gun

[versed ledge]

Silly question...but wouldn't the mechanicus fair better against them due to 40k version of cyber warfare?

[wintry snow]

Darktide has been getting me into Astra Militarum. I bought some minis to get into painting.

I see DKK and Cadian troops with different armor colors. It looks like I can run both in the same army- is there a lore reason they would fight together in the same regiment? Any good “matching” color schemes for the two together?

[normal light]

Technically they can be mixed in one regiment , but lore wise in unlikely

But you can say that it’s 2 regiments taking part in 1 battle

[wintry snow]

DKK is too expensive for me to field a whole regiment as I dip my toe

Also, I want to try the different types

[normal light]

No I mean that you can combine them

[wintry snow]

I named them the 404th (they are lost in the warp/stranded, aka “not found”)

[normal light]

But say that there in fact 2 different regiments elements taking part in battle

Like a Krieg Infantry Platoon and Cadian Mechanised Infantry Company

You don’t have to mix them in 1 regiment (it’s usually doesn’t happen)

But if you want you can give them similar colour scheme

[wintry snow]

I could do that. Easiest way I can see them looking good is if I do desert/winter camo

[plush mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzgqVX0Fv5s

ok im going ogryn

[wintry snow]

Everyone gonna be ogryn

[plush mason]

that daemon host was just gone

[normal light]

https://tenor.com/view/no-rat-nuh-uh-nope-no-no-gif-11699607390227676176

Zealot gaming is a thing

[wintry snow]

Ima squad lead and buff my ogryn with my commisar hat

[normal light]

When you have multiple sources of flames

[wintry snow]

or zealot buff my ogryn

[wintry snow]

That unit no longer good?

I know it came in my starter box but I havent painted it yet. Not a SM guy

[winter vessel]

Dunno, something my uncle sent to me since His focus is Astartes. I Think this was his way of saying he's yet to replace them with 10th edition Stern Guard veterans.

[arctic talon]

They’re still good

Regarding assault intercessors

[queen laurel]

Ok maybe I will care enough

[tropic olive]

Hello, I have a question about the anime series "Pariah Nexus." In the series, the Death Mark kills people with some kind of precision weapon. What I don't understand is that I've always read that Necron weapons are devastating because they strip away atom layers from the victim one by one, but this seems different. I wanted to know if it's a different weapon or just an animation issue?

[arctic talon]

Their weapon is not a gauss weapon, its a Synaptic disintegrator it basically tells your brain to kill itself and destroys your nervous system

instead of making your entire body turn into powder

[queen laurel]

So a death mark is useless against other necrons

[arctic talon]

It works on necrons

it tells the Engram to kill itself

[queen laurel]

Of course it can tell machinery to f*** itself over to

[arctic talon]

Which just sends it back to the tomb

Its incredibly effective against "dullards"

TLDR the gun works better the more idiotic the target is

its also like 10 million times more painful then a gauss weapon

[queen laurel]

Man sniping that ogryn about to be crazy

[arctic talon]

because your entire nervous system gets destroyed lol

[tropic olive]

Okay, I understand better now. Thank you very much. So, is it better to have a Gauss weapon or the Synaptic Disintegrator to one-shot important targets?

[arctic talon]

Synaptic

they're faster

Gauss weapons also have less range

[queen laurel]

They each do different things, it's better to have a synaptic disintegrator for the sneaky operations and gauss weapons tend to be upgraded a lot more they even have antu vehicle variants and some to the point that it can rival titan weapons

[arctic talon]

also its a "traditional" weapon

the Necrons are obssesed with tradition

the Synaptic disintegrator is basically an "honorable weapon" to die to

While gauss is less so honorable

[queen laurel]

So you're telling me that a illuminor Szeras, respect those flesh bags enough for them to die to the sniper instead of his destroy cult

[tropic olive]

Thanks, guys. This question has been lingering in my mind for too long. I really enjoyed the first two episodes, and I can't wait for the rest of the serie

[queen laurel]

It's good but i definitely want to see an ork centered storyline

[spare osprey]

nah doubt Szeras sees it like that

he's a very scientific man

[arctic talon]

He just sees the deathmark as more "clean" for the kill

I'd assume

[spare osprey]

honor like that is out of his wheelhouse

[arctic talon]

Destroyer cult weapons are messy as hell

[queen laurel]

Yeah that is fair i like his character i can finally have sound wave without having sound wave

[spare osprey]

more like shockwave tbh

https://tenor.com/view/shockwave-logical-transformers-transformers-animated-gif-24067142

[queen laurel]

Shit you right

I always confuse shock wave and sound wave a lot of the times

[spare osprey]

yeah common thing

[queen laurel]

Mainly because both of their names start with s and end with wave

[spare osprey]

yups

[arctic talon]

Szeras is intresting because he's weird even to the other necrons lol

And creepy

[spare osprey]

it's neat

[queen laurel]

The death mark literally was like, you decided to wake me up so that i can kill them even though your destroyer cult probably better than doing this dirty work

"You need clean tools to make something clean"

[plush mason]

wth is this thing?

[arctic talon]

Looks like a really weird Knight

wait

no its a Warlord titan

Just a really fucking weird one

[queen laurel]

Looks like a war master

[plush mason]

why does it have a sword?

[arctic talon]

idfk

[queen laurel]

The warmaster nemesis titan if i remember

[queen laurel]

It's warhammer 40k it's probably someone's original character

[plush mason]

you mean warbringer?

because thats a warbringer nemesis

[plush mason]

yeah thats what im thinking

[spare osprey]

warmasters are cool

[arctic talon]

yeah I think the thing you posted was a weird combo

[queen laurel]

No i'm talking about the war master

[arctic talon]

between warmaster and Warlord

its got elements from both

[queen laurel]

Damnit jinx

[plush mason]

well there is no warmaster nemesis class

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/ha-ha-the-simpsons-nelson-muntz-lol-funny-gif-20386320

[queen laurel]

Yeah that is the part i confused

[plush mason]

its just the base warmaster and then the warmaster iconoclast

[plush mason]

yeah its a castellan knight OC

[queen laurel]

I think it's using the Acastus pattern knight

Which rival Warhound Titans in both size and firepower

Mixed in with a bit of castellan

[plush mason]

yeah

also

i love how every knight is literally a ball with legs and arms lol

[queen laurel]

Yeah, it's simplistic and charming which is why i also like the Ork knight equivalent Gorkanauts and Morkanauts ( i know right i don't shut up about orks )

[plush mason]

so what is their titan equivalent?

[queen laurel]

The war hound would safely be the Stompa, being the smallest, a gargant is now the titan which is devastating enough to go toe-to-toe with the reaver and give a warlord some trouble, next we have the great gargant which can go toe-to-toe with a warlord and even defeat it, and finally we have the mega gargant, the equivalent in size and power to that of a god damn emperor class

[plush mason]

oh yeah. wasnt a mega gargant in helsreach?

had to get nuked by a nova canon iirc

[queen laurel]

Yes

[tough haven]

But here’s the question, gorkanaut or morkanaut?

[queen laurel]

What do you mean by this

[tough haven]

Which do you like better?

Oops

[queen laurel]

Both

[tough haven]

I knew you would say that

Politician answer

[queen laurel]

I NEEEED IT

[normal light]

Squig push oh no

[silver pollen]

Oh, thank you very much. Now I need that too...

[crystal forum]

i love him

i shall give him a hat and name him jonathan

[green loom]

Hubba hubba

[tropic olive]

Hello, I noticed in the Pariah Nexus anime that when the Deathmark traces the steps of the Sister, it doesn't include the footprints of the Cadian soldier. I wanted to know if Deathmarks can essentially only track important targets and not others?

[arctic talon]

the cadian is heavily implied to be a halucination

[tropic olive]

Oh yeah, that’s actually possible when you think about it. Well, I guess I’ll rewatch the anime again

[versed ledge]

The Cadian girl is the sister's version of Wilson the volleyball

[tawdry escarp]

The Salamander Sa'kan doesn't acknowledge her presence at all, either

[green loom]

I hope they don't touch our sacred lore chat

[versed ledge]

I'm just more curious if they evacuated the planet, or if help's coming

[storm jungle]

They haven't

most of the population is dead

[arctic talon]

Everyone is fucking dead lol

or rather

almost everyone

[versed ledge]

So the imperium had time to call for reinforcements, but no time to evac people?

[queen laurel]

Tomb world awakenings are very sudden

Like you could just be walking somewhere and the necron can grab you by the leg

[arctic talon]

people are the least important thing on that planet lol

[green loom]

By reinforcements do you mean the Salamanders? Cus they're also just survivors, but on another part of the planet

At least from what I've gathered

[versed ledge]

I mean the kriegsmen, ultramarines, and cadians

[green loom]

Oh

[coarse pumice]

are these the three personalities? loose cannon, professional and cutthroat?

[storm jungle]

Nah

just artistic representation of the class abilities

[green loom]

Middle lady is unusually pretty for Miguel art

[storm jungle]

The 1st and 2nd are new, the 3rd was released by Miguel Iglesias the artist a few months ago as the Sharpshooter

[green loom]

You know I found out something funny

While trying to do his style

It almost always ends up with some ugly bastards for some reason

[coarse pumice]

I thought of the personalities when I saw them, I know they're the class abilities

but the personalities seem to 'best fit' with the looks of the different ones

[versed ledge]

Oh on AI?

[green loom]

What

No

[celest dome]

I think we had already seen the 1st one

[green loom]

I'm teaching myself things off his videos

Studying process and whatever

[storm jungle]

We all 4 of the first classes ye

[versed ledge]

Woah actual handmade art, that's pretty cool

[green loom]

I'm like, almost an artist

Maybe in like 5 years

[crystal forum]

there are three vets inside you

[green loom]

Hey these aren't the showers

[crystal forum]

🗞️

[boreal ruin]

I know the assail power is a canonical psychich power in 40k, but in darktide, it mentions that the crystals themselves are psychically manifested. Is there any precedent for something like that in 40k lore or is it pretty much just a little bit of flavor without much basis in the canon just cause it's cool

[storm jungle]

Its a case of both.

[green loom]

Wraithbone

[storm jungle]

Psykers can literally almost do anything with the right power level too.

Ahriman or other high level human psykers pull pther powers out of their ass at the will of a writer

[boreal ruin]

Fair enough I suppose

Also, with a bit more research, it seems that Tzeentch has a pretty heavy association with crystals

[storm jungle]

yeah its his whole thing

[boreal ruin]

That, the color blue, and birds

[tawdry escarp]

Biiiiiiiirds

[outer wave]

What sort of armor are the Crushers wearing? I dont think Ive ever seen it elsewhere in lore and it looks like its supposed to be part of some life support system judging from the broken mouth tubes?

The other variant is definitely wearing something makeshift for the helm but Im curious about this specific variant's mask and armor

[boreal ruin]

It all kinda looks like a hodgepodge thing made of scrap metal to me

I don't think it's standard or anything, probably just took a bunch of parts, bent them when needed, and strapped them together as protection

[green loom]

They're wearing carapace

Same crap as the heavier scab units, just ogryn sized

[outer wave]

So scrapped up carapace armor? I know they're all insane heretic guys but wouldnt they at least have some standardized ogryn armor they could use?

[green loom]

That is the standardized armour

It just looks rougher because traitor™ aesthetics

[outer wave]

Makes sense to me, thank ya!

[green loom]

Like traitors/imps share a big armour pool, there's just a style diff for the most part with traitors having more screwed up/defaced gear

[versed ledge]

I just realized, it's holding a giant, spiked, rebar hammer

[outer wave]

Is it? I thought it was a slab of concrete on a steel pipe

Or steel support

[green loom]

No that's a "tactical" slab of rock on metal rod

Aka they're probably actually equipped with it

[outer wave]

Damnb

[storm jungle]

Yeah these are all the Moebian 6th's regimental ogryns

hence the access to semi-better gear

[queen laurel]

i can't wait for the dreg ogryns to look like the final boss of the streets of Detroit

[storm jungle]

They made the nameless traitor from the level cutscenes into a servitor after Rannick fucking kills him

[forest orbit]

Lmaoooo thats fucking hilarious

[queen laurel]

When you pretended to be loyal but instead now you pretend to be alive

[naive river]

oh i see, i was about to ask how do we know its the heretic?

i have nothing but 30s, so it went over my head a bit

[winter vessel]

Honestly, that's the equivalent of getting a second chance in 40k standards for the Imperium.

[storm jungle]

Thats basically what being a servitor is so yeah

[winter vessel]

Wait that's a man? This whole time i thought they were a woman.

[storm jungle]

....no?

Its a chick

[winter vessel]

you said "him" in that post.

[storm jungle]

Its 05:43

im lazy and tired

[winter vessel]

"lazy", "tired". We don't know those two words in the Imperial Guard...HERESY REEEEEE.

[forest orbit]

Thats a mood

[queen laurel]

Bro you do a little oopsie in the imperium, they will send you in the gulag to fight Godzilla

[storm jungle]

Just like real life 🙏

[queen laurel]

we really are gaming

[winter vessel]

If your lucky you get sent to a penal legion. At least, from my perspective for a guardsman.

[queen laurel]

oh yeah speaking of what type of grenade does the gun luger use

[storm jungle]

Like in the game?

[queen laurel]

is it just an enlarged Frag Granade

[queen laurel]

yes

[storm jungle]

Yeah its pretty much a giant frag grenade

[queen laurel]

it's basically throwing a toddler strapped with C4

[rose thorn]

I didn’t know there was actual phobia of servitors in 40k

I would guess humanity would just he use to it

But it’s like, a thing

The protagonist of rites of passage is deathly afraid of servitors

[crystal forum]

who wouldn't be

[lunar harness]

they are horrifying

[crystal forum]

i think most characters just get desensitized to them over time. i doubt it ever becomes normal, they just choose not to think about it

space marines probably don't even care

[iron lantern]

If I’m not being greeted like this I don’t want to be greeted all

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-cope-warhammer-meme-shut-up-gif-24598622

[green loom]

What are you, Albanian?

[wooden ridge]

What is soulblaze lore-wise? Just a warp-burning or something more complicated?

[iron lantern]

no i’m genetically superior

[celest dome]

Soul is made, or at least attuned to the Warp

[vast heart]

Supposedly it burns away at the persons soul/the fabric of reality itself but its mostly just blue and hurts the exact amount the plot needs it to at the time

Necron guns supposedly unwind your atoms or whatever but its largely lore fluff bc every warhammer faction is someones crazy over the top self insert DND hero who's so insanely badass they can think you out of existence so a lot of this is kinda just fluff that rarely applies to what's happening

[queen laurel]

Necrons straight up have one of their basic blades able to vibrate in and out of reality to cut through shit

[storm jungle]

Yeah necrons actually have tech to back their claims up is the thing.

[vast heart]

I'm pretty sure Aeldar weapons fire microblades that literally cut atoms in half too lol its all ridiculous

[storm jungle]

Well yeah its 40k

also its not really microblades

its just really sharp shurikens

[vast heart]

Oh nevermind then that's not silly at all

[storm jungle]

yeet

[vast heart]

[storm jungle]

Necron tech is a lot more ridiculous but its offset by them being damaged by decay through the eons of time and infighting

[queen laurel]

yeah when they tell you they have 500 million power in clash of kingdoms, you better believe it

[storm jungle]

unfortunately they cant kill everyone otherwise no toy soldier marines to sell

[queen laurel]

That celestial orrery be crazy

[vast heart]

Yeah I didn't like crons at first but the more I see them as the kinda undead imperium faction they represent in fantasy, their lore is pretty dope

[queen laurel]

With a flick of a wrist, Terra is no longer there

[storm jungle]

Crons are great

hard to think back in the day they were brainless robots and had no proper lore 💀

[queen laurel]

now they have more personality than a space marine

[vast heart]

They're better humans than the imperium factions are in a lot of the books I've read

Somehow the jesus nazis come across as more robotic

[storm jungle]

well yeah because the Imperium is basically roman-nazi germany in space

yeah exactly

dont let Imperial fans hear you say this

[queen laurel]

speaking of necrons, they don't seem to use blunt weapons

[vast heart]

The worst part is I think imperium fans would be fully on board with that description

[queen laurel]

my face watching imperial fans justifying the worst parts of a civilization the imperium copied

[storm jungle]

||Imperium fans will waste 30 minutes telling you "The Imperium has too many cultures/government methods in it to be fascist reeeee" when they got literal death-camps, genetical supremacy/purity propaganda and actual slavery||

this is why you must avoid places like meme-chat

[vast heart]

Fr and then you'll get some weird hot take about how the T'au is 'just as bad' bc of the caste system and its like.....is it tho

[normal light]

Well all now Chaos is good guys

[queen laurel]

I'm tired of the running joke tau are just communists

[normal light]

They at least don’t hide their true nature

[queen laurel]

I know they do borrow some parts of it but they are not communists

[normal light]

GSC are commies

[vast heart]

Unironically tho that's the funny part, genestealers embody the idea of workers unions and goverment uprising and that whole shtick way more than Tau

[storm jungle]

^

its actually what they are parodying yeah

down to the mass of people with a single guy raising a red banner

[queen laurel]

Only for them to most of the time get turned into bio soup

[normal light]

Someone needs to converse GSC hero into Lenin

[vast heart]

I mean if you think of the nids arriving as the CIA....

[normal light]

Also it would be cool if GSC had inner conflicts (and I think they have them)

[queen laurel]

please no

[vast heart]

That reminds me I need to read day of ascension apparently its really good

[normal light]

The whole time.... It was them...

[crystal forum]

i thought they were too much of a hive mind to have conflicts

[normal light]

Nah , I think they are more zealous then hive mind

[crystal forum]

how would they disagree on their goals though? aren't they all trying to reach the same conclusion

[normal light]

Who will ascend first?

Who is more zealous?

Whose faith is stronger

[celest dome]

Easiest way would be to do different Hive influenced Genestealer cult

[crystal forum]

realistic portrayal of revolutionary infighting

[normal light]

My man , Commies splited while the revolution

There were Bolsheviks and menshiviks

[storm jungle]

GSC are still extremely united

theres no cult infighting

fighting other cults is for tabletop reasons though and hasn't really happened in lore

[normal light]

I think them having some political disputes could be good

[storm jungle]

Yeah but it makes no sense

they all got the same goal and are literally linked psychically

this isnt IRL where you can argue with your party member over something stupid

theres a reason genestealer cults are almost in every imperial world in the galaxy, they are extremely competent

[normal light]

Nah , I think it could happen when one cult leader is more ambitious to ascend first

[green loom]

Can I get my beret now

[storm jungle]

Nah it can't.

like i said theres no reason or any way for them to infight

[normal light]

What do you mean?

[storm jungle]

they all consider each other literal siblings lol

also a cult leader doesnt "rise"

they are literally chosen by the Patriarch

[celest dome]

What if there were multiple Patriarch ?

[normal light]

Maybe some Cult dispute between 2 cults?

[storm jungle]

Still the same deal

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah dilara going back to one of my questions I don't really see necrons using blunt weaponry

[green loom]

I want a beret cosmetic

[storm jungle]

GSC have a very big autonomy but are still linked together as a cult

[queen laurel]

Is there a reason for that

[green loom]

For vet

[normal light]

Nah then they are pretty not funny

[normal light]

They don`t need to punch through armor?

If your blade just denuclearize enemy armor

[celest dome]

But certain Hive fleets have fought against each other, isn't it the same case for them ?

[storm jungle]

Cults are different

[normal light]

They just ate each other

[storm jungle]

hive fleets fight due to tabletop reasons and to collect each other's resoruces to see which fleet is the strongest

and

this has only happened with minor splinter fleets

bigger hivefleets never fight because theres no point to it

[queen laurel]

If anything it's more of the bigger fleets just absorbing the minor fleets because reconstituting their biomass into better weapons, is better thing than letting them just wander around

A minor hive fleet would be very ******* useless against a very heavily defended imperial world

[storm jungle]

pretty much

[vast heart]

I could maybe see like, small interpersonal disputes and stuff bc they still have a personality, they're not like 100% linked to the hivemind, but I don't see it ever rising to the point where it conflicts with their actual goals or alignment or anything

[keen stratus]

every day i try to be more slaaaneshi, but i just seem to be tzeentchi

[green loom]

Here's a guide

[keen stratus]

yeah but the problem is that when i try it, they say that "is a crime against nature" and that i am "an aberration against gods will" and that they're gonna "burn me for my crimes and heresy"

[green loom]

Bah that's normal

[keen stratus]

i have a question

do we know how the other chaos gods where borned?

cause i know we know why slaanesh was borned

[storm jungle]

The old lore was that they came around during the middle-ages

But GW realised this is stupid

because we are talking about galactic power gods here and somehow these acts on earth gave power to them than anything else happening in the galaxy

[keen stratus]

yeah cause for what i know the aldeari are like really sensible bitches right?

and thats why she was borned

[spare osprey]

Believe Khorne and nurgle showed up either during or a tiny bit after the war in heaven

And I’ve only ever heard Tzeentch showed up in the Renaissance.

No like revised version and such

[celest dome]

I always took it as when Humanity became aware of them

Kinda like how Christians saw sins amd stuff.

[crystal forum]

that would be weird considering the old testament had been around for thousands of years before the middle ages

i dont think there's any way to rationalize that old lore

it's just old GW being dumb

[celest dome]

Well yes, but it's Medieval for Nurgle only no ?

It's when they came to their first pinnacle for humanity

[crystal forum]

what about nurgle would be considered sinful

[wintry scarab]

Are the mobian 6th that we fight against khorn worshippers?

[crystal forum]

he's like the one god who represents natural processes

[celest dome]

Nothing, it's more that there is the Black Plague, which would have been the 1st time Nurgle aknowledge/noticed Humanity

[celest dome]

no

New Nurglite currently

[crystal forum]

did the nurgle symbols not tell you otherwise

[queen laurel]

Nah, they are chaos undivided that's slightly favors nurgle

[wintry scarab]

yep, it was that or khorn. but i thought wrong.

[celest dome]

Atm we can't really say, as far as we know, it's simply Nurgle

[crystal forum]

in the old testament God unleashes a plague on egypt. i think that complicates matters a lot

unless the christian God is nurgle lol

[queen laurel]

Really

Huh

Neat

[celest dome]

oh I'm not saying that Christian and Nurgle are the same, just the mechanic on how things work is the same

[wintry scarab]

Besides the 3 visored goggles on gunners, they dont have any symbols of nurgle im pretty sure. They just have symbols of chaos.

[arctic talon]

The Christian god is prolly a warp entity in 40k of some sorts

but there's no confirmation on that

There is confirmation Satan is a undivided Daemon though lol

[crystal forum]

why medieval times though? it feels arbitrary to single out a time period because of one famous historical event

i really think it's a case of old GW being like "hurr durr dark ages bad"

[celest dome]

Yeah, and it is for the European centric history the biggest Nurglite themed event

[wintry scarab]

I just thought about it a little more and if they were khorn they would not be so buddy-buddy with the dregs or pox walkers. Dk, why i thought that.

[celest dome]

There are times where different Chaos Cults worked together

[wintry scarab]

Yeah i guess so

[crystal forum]

there's always the fact that 40k in its entirety is based on a cartoonishly innaccurate 80's view of medieval europe but still

[wintry scarab]

Also i was wrong about the symbols. Gunners have the nurgle symbol on their chests.

[storm jungle]

Leave it to Dan

I'm sure he'll do some shit like that in his next book

[arctic talon]

jes-us the one who died for many

[storm jungle]

GOD

💀

[crystal forum]

he'll probably add a dumb suffix like "of the nazarthy"

[storm jungle]

Yeah 40k writers fucking love using alt-names of IRL people and locations

each more cringe than the last

[crystal forum]

it's so pointless too

[arctic talon]

I cannot come up with as weird names as GW writers

When it comes for fucked up irl names of stuff

[crystal forum]

just make names sound shortened due to vulgarization over millenia and then add a letter swap somewhere to make it sound fancier

[arctic talon]

I don’t know how much shorter I can make Jesus ima be real with you

Or Yahweh

[storm jungle]

They actually did that with the fucking uh

[arctic talon]

Actually

[storm jungle]

greece/greek gods in Maste of Mankind

[crystal forum]

J'sus

[arctic talon]

I can get Yahweh shorter

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

‘And so I gave them Ullanor,’ the Emperor said. ‘They crave recognition for their honour and achievements, and the Triumph was the ultimate expression of that. In that regard, they are just as the Akhean gods and goddesses of Ulimpos were believed to be.’

Ra knew the legends. Zoas Lightningfather. Avena Warbringer. Hermios Swiftrunner. Heraklus Halfgod. Bickering, violent divinities who were powerful enough to act with impunity over the mortals that prayed to them.

‘Humanity’s perception of god-beings has never been consistent,’ the Emperor mused. ‘Give any being great power and the largesse to act with impunity, and what you have is indivisible from those ancient myths. The rage of thunder gods. The battle drums of nations that prayed to war gods. The madness and decadence of powerful kings. That is what true power has always done to the mortal mind – elements of humanity become magnified, more human than human. In that light, are the primarchs not deities?’

ZOAS

[arctic talon]

💀

[storm jungle]

AVENA

[arctic talon]

Bruh

[storm jungle]

HERMIOS

FUCKING STOP

[arctic talon]

THERES SHITBCALLED ZEUS IN 40K

JJST CALL IT ZEUS

[storm jungle]

also like

GREEK GODS ARE PUBLIC DOMAIN

[arctic talon]

I’m sure all like 200 people who still worship the Greek gods

Wouldn’t mind

[storm jungle]

True true

[crystal forum]

i dont understand what goes through the mind of a writer when they decide to do this

[arctic talon]

Boredom

[crystal forum]

do they think this is how people in 40k talk

[arctic talon]

Idk

Maybe there’s a policy they can’t use irl gods or mythological beings

Except that doesn’t work

Because fucking Satan is a daemon

So Idfk

[crystal forum]

at this point i'm 75% sure they do it because it's an in joke for writers

[green loom]

Also

Coming from a guy named "Ra"

[crystal forum]

also they'll do this but name characters Pedro

[green loom]

Pedro Office

[arctic talon]

Pedro goes hard as hell okay

[green loom]

Also I named my chaos lady

[crystal forum]

cmon tell us your embarrassing name

[green loom]

Eloise

[crystal forum]

sounds french

[green loom]

Ya

[winter vessel]

Baguette

[crystal forum]

nice

[green loom]

I'm trying to do some face studies before designing her myself

Not going great but still above expectations

[spare osprey]

Tbf

It’s a custodes

Wouldn’t really use them as a reference for the speaking of the imperial citizens at large

[versed ledge]

Custodes talk like priests for some reason

[plush mason]

why is GW like this?

[stark prawn]

Gotta ask, don't know too much about 40K but I love it regardless, What exactly are the psykers "bolts"? I heard from someone its some sort of shard loaded with either warp energy or demonic energy? Just wanna understand what they are since they just got introduced into Darktide as a psyker ability you can use.

[plush mason]

afaik they are constructs made from the psyker's warp connection

[queen laurel]

Basically magical crystals formed from warp energy, that is then manipulated by telekinesis

[plush mason]

so mind knives basically

[queen laurel]

Darktide psykers are capable of projecting multiple force fields

[stark prawn]

Neato.

[queen laurel]

So something like that isn't out of their payrole

[plush mason]

darktide psykers are all high grade lol

[stark prawn]

Yeah, basically, thats what I've seen so far.

[desert dust]

I think the lore reason if they even bother with that is the great rift has been awaken way more humans with much more consistent powers

[versed ledge]

Lore wise, the more powerful the psyker, the worst the stability of reality becomes

Take for instance the daemon host you see in DarkTide, sure gameplay wise they're like the Witch from Left 4 Dead. Both can royally ruin your day if not careful, however lore wise - the daemon host is the worst if not a planet wide threat.

[arctic talon]

The daemonhost + Beast of nurgle

are both super above our paygrade in game lol

Like our flesh and armor should literally be rotting off

the moment the beast of nurgle touches us

A Daemonhosts power level varies but they tend to be very powerful

[winter vessel]

Lore wise, We’d be a pile of flesh and powdered bone if the B of Nurgle spat us out.

[arctic talon]

yeah

the plague ogryn and spawn are nasty

but they're both like

reasonable

The daemonhost I guess the Dregs are just shoving in like

Plague bearers lol

considering we don't get instantly fucking melted alive

[winter vessel]

D hosts are not worth it, idc if it’s a bounty sire melk gives us, I’m avoiding that. But there will always be that one fella who decides to wave his gun around that menace.

[plush mason]

just bring a gunlugger

watch it melt

[queen laurel]

yeah the only justifiable option and why daemon hosts are still manageable is that they are using the soul of a lesser demon if it was a greater demon one hit and that shield will turn into metallic soup

[languid salmon]

it turns out most daemon hosts use lesser daemons

[queen laurel]

Let me guess because greater demons have a lot more power they also need exceptionally strong bodies?

[languid salmon]

its more that you need more and stronger binding rituals which weaken the strength of a daemon host to begin with. those binding rituals become harder to preform the stronger they are and if it fails the daemon tends to hunt down everyone involved with the failed binding attempt

[queen laurel]

Ohhh

Yeah that makes sense

[languid salmon]

and then there's that one noble that was so arrogant she absorbed the power of several keepers of secrets when a cult tried to turn her into a daemon host

[queen laurel]

Yeah that one always makes me have a good chuckle

Even Slannesh was impressed

[lament prism]

in game where psyker saying my beloved, who are they referring to?

[arctic talon]

The Emperor. But it might just be some warp creature or daemon lol

[desert dust]

Dumb theory but emperor is a champion of malice the God who is anti chaos and gains power when they weaken.
So even if the emperor didn't know malice just gets stronger every time big E claps them

I think he was retconned because GW did not have the rights

[celest dome]

Malal≠Malice

[tropic olive]

Honestly, if they were considering bringing back another Primarch, now is the opportune moment, especially with rumors circulating about the one supposedly imprisoned beneath the Palace (if it’s true). The only question is, how are they going to balance it all and prevent the Imperium from appearing to have too many advantages in the galaxy?

[green loom]

At least now you've got tools beyond "Let the ogryn tank" or "kill it instantly"

[frosty stag]

Daemon hosts are easier now because of the update

[green loom]

Here's a copy pasta

So,
Malal and Malice.

Malal is not in 40k, and they're not even in WHFantasy anymore. They were the unique intellectual property of an author who left Black Library and took his IP with him. Malal was replaced by Necoho and another god whos name I forget cuz they're irrelevant.

Malice is a minor warp entity in the 40k universe. They're not aligned with any of the 4, which is the case for a LOT of unrelated warp entities. The warp is absolutely chock full of shit that doesn't care about The Great Game.

Malice, however, is a very minor player, even within the sphere of non-aligned entities. He, in current canon, has been summoned into realspace. Which is not something that can happen to any entity akin to the gods, and even summoning greater daemons is super hard unless the veil between realspace and the warp is basically already shredded.

Malice's only followers are the Sons of Malice, who are once-loyal successors to the blood angels who got ran out of the imperium because they were falsely accused of chaos stuff. This drove them to say "Fuck everyone. We're gonna retake our homeworld no matter who gets in our way. Fuck chaos, fuck the imperium, and especially fuck xenos.

They have 1 book and a novella that contains functionally every iota of actual canon lore that exists about Malice, and almost none of it has anything to do with the "community headcanon" about the God.

Fyi also, what little we know of Malice is him being a God of Anarchy

Emps is pretty far from Anarchy lmfao

[frosty stag]

Wait is malice that one daemon who wants to kill all chaos

Or is that someone else

[green loom]

No he's some minor god that loves anarchy and hates all the other gods....
Which is listed as a unique trait.....
Despite all the other gods hating all other gods

[frosty stag]

Then who tf is the one that is actively trying to get rid of all chaos

Or did my mind just make that up

[green loom]

That's Malal, a fantasy property that went away with his author decades ago and never touched 40k

[frosty stag]

Oh cool

Why do i know about him lmao

[green loom]

Because the community never shuts the hell up about him

[frosty stag]

My knowledge is beyond my own understanding

[frosty stag]

I understand

[green loom]

I've met like 5 people who based everything 40k related they had on malice
Despite never reading the SoM books or as much as their wiki

[frosty stag]

Lmao

[queen laurel]

It's mainly the warhammer 40K fan base not knowing what's the difference between malice and Malal even though just a little bit of research will literally fix that problem

[frosty stag]

Wow the community seems dumb

Not yall yall are great

https://tenor.com/view/heretic-burger-warhammer-sanguinius-gif-18201763

I just found this gif

[green loom]

You dunno the half of it

[queen laurel]

A good chunk of the community is a bit ****** let me tell you

You can just look at the general direction of the female space marine arguments and you will see how problematic it is

[green loom]

Shhh

[frosty stag]

Half the time i cant tell if people genuinely believe that blueberry man actually fucked a xeno

[queen laurel]

shit

[green loom]

Don't flash at the wood work

[queen laurel]

you right

[frosty stag]

Man people sucn

[green loom]

You never know when they're reading

[queen laurel]

he didn't he barely even interacted with yvraine

[green loom]

Some of them full on unironically do

[frosty stag]

I think beast of nurgle is extremely offensive and we should all call them slime puppies

[green loom]

They also will complain about ultras and primaris a lot at the same time

And also about Cato specifically
But not Calgar or Ventris

[frosty stag]

Thats more interaction with a woman then the average warhammer player gets

[frosty stag]

(Not yall yall are great)

[green loom]

And the crowning crapmeme is they'll name drop Matt Ward, faulting him for the Ultras and like 5000 other things

Only things he wrote? One UM supplement turned into a codex, a GK codex, and the Necrons codex
Over 15 years ago

[frosty stag]

People complain too much

[green loom]

Maybe more than that specific subset ig

[green loom]

It's worse when it's a literal telephone game where the person on the end of the telephone will proudly and loudly shout out everything they hear, making a massive string of broken records endlessly repeating the same stupid memes that you have to deal with every other time you interact with a new person

[queen laurel]

matt ward made Trazyn right

[green loom]

Dunno, I think he started the whole trend of them not just being mindless robots

[queen laurel]

Out of all the fans for each faction I believe wholeheartedly that the imperium is the most numerously fucked

[frosty stag]

Speaking of nekrons

I think its cool that they just “mercy kill” all cult of mars members they find

[green loom]

Well in fairness they kill everyone they find

[frosty stag]

Well

Yeah

Id want to make friends with a nekron

Yall think i could make friends with a death mark

[green loom]

He could probably come to respect you if you're particularly annoying for him to kill

[frosty stag]

I could do that

Its insane how op death marks are

How annoying to the nekrons do i have to be to get marked actually

[queen laurel]

Nemesor Zahndrekh will take you as a prisoner if you are a commander of course and even treat you well

So he is a lot different than the other necrons he's even called insane by his own kind

[frosty stag]

Oh wow

Do nekrons keep the one flesh crazed ones around

Or do they just kinda throw them onto random planets to go feral on

[queen laurel]

Are you talking about the Flayed one?

[frosty stag]

Yes

I know names

[green loom]

They quarantine them because it's contagious

[frosty stag]

Oh really?

[queen laurel]

They are quarantined and only let out in battle when absolutely necessary, but that doesn't really matter because Flayed Ones developed an ability to travel between dimensions

they will travel in this dimension and pop out in a battlefield full of flesh for them to consume

[frosty stag]

Sounds fun

https://youtu.be/ZxJ_fPD_MQk?si=bvOrFv30iuD7EH76

I love this video

[celest dome]

Aren't there a dynasty where they basically are all under the Flayer curse ?

[green loom]

The bone kingdom or something

[hollow sequoia]

always love to see an ultramarine loose, nice change of pace from usual

if matt ward had written this scene that deathmark would be down in a matter of seconds

and he would have like 3 other friends getting downed too while the space marine is just making it look easy

[green loom]

@frosty stag case in point lmao

[green loom]

Matt Ward wouldn't have written it though, he's not a BL writer

[green loom]

Ig the 50 other authors who've portrayed marines as superhuman are just as bad

[storm jungle]

Ward also wrote most of the story for Vermintide 1 and 2 that people endlessly praised.

[green loom]

[rose thorn]

I would say that 5 ppl being able to take on like the entire skaven population is kinda dumb, but literally happens in every book with skaven so

[storm jungle]

Yeah and also Ubersreik 5 are basically Special Characters

[rose thorn]

They are even in total war so we ball

[storm jungle]

and the lore explanation and game showcase is that almost every mission you are at is you sneaking behind enemy lines and doing medieval spec-ops strike missions.

some brave lads also made a wikipedia page for the U5

detailing every single mission in the game they do like a narrative, its so good

[rose thorn]

LMAO

[storm jungle]

https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Ubersreik_Five

[rose thorn]

“Stealth mission” and just covered in gore

[storm jungle]

well less "stealth" more just like i said decapitation missions

[queen laurel]

We call it the eversor style where if you kill everything no one would know

[celest dome]

Lore: Stealth
Gameplay: "Stealth" by virtue of nobody remaining alive

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[random vessel]

can this "lore" also be fantasy or only 40k

because I had this question about fantasy which has been driving me nuts

[storm jungle]

Any lore is welcome, shoot

[queen laurel]

As long as its warhammer it's welcome

Alright ready your bullets what's your question

[random vessel]

Alright so are the Chaos gods motives different in fantasy compared to 40k? I mean from what I saw in the games they slightly act different.

[queen laurel]

No they're exactly the same to be honest with just a few minor differences

Khorne is still the blood god
Nurgle has diseases
Tzeentch has magical crap
And Slannesh is still Slannesh

Even their followers have the same backstories

Ku'gath fell in the pot

Tzeentch has Kairos

Skarbrand really tried khorne

[terse flume]

they're like, literally the same right? like there's a shared universe via chaos and those guys aren't like, different manifestations of a similar universal constant but instead like actually the same characters? i might be misremembering

[green loom]

Most daemon chars are shared yeah

Except like

Valkia

And daemon primarchs

[celest dome]

Neither of which are true Daemons, the only Non-Deamon that is in all setting (Maybe except Blood Bowl) is Bel'akor

[terse flume]

is slaneesh in fantasy

huh

i guess i assumed since she's born in 40k she might not backtrack but i guess that's not rational

[green loom]

Yeah

[green loom]

That's lore from like

Asurmen I think

But yeah Slaanesh was always around in fantasy

[terse flume]

https://tenor.com/view/the-more-you-know-gif-26317296

[plush mason]

so like. anyone know where the meme of Khorne being paraplegic came from?

[celest dome]

Slaanesh broke his back or something, so he doesn't get up as often, though this might be Slaaneshi propaganda, Khorne is simply bored, nothing real to fight, so he just lay there, watching combat on the telly

[sleek wigeon]

mainly slaanesh killstealing (souls of the dead go to slaanesh if someone really enjoyed the killing) and generally not having much to do

[plush mason]

ah

[crystal forum]

kick the fackiing ball

[echo vault]

Sitting in chair I guess

[keen stratus]

i mean people in the old times used to be pretty hedonistic

so like the aeldari dont exist in fantasy but

we dunno maybe, another o*gy of blood happened

[arctic talon]

Fatshark said Trenchwarfare is the DKOK's specialty

Its fucking over

[queen laurel]

As much as i like the helmet for the ogryn I got, that line made me visibly cringe

And apparently gw allowed that

So

[arctic talon]

Their specialty is explicitly underground sieges, shock assaults and artillery

[storm jungle]

They also referenced shovels very heavily

this is just gonna perpetuate this shit and I hate it

[arctic talon]

The shovels thing is just a fucking meme

at least

its not blatent misinformation

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

Yeah, they use mass infantry in rapid deployment to become battering rams

[queen laurel]

Yeah that's why i separate the fans from the media

Like the death korps can be good it's just that it has become so much of a cesspool that it will become very hard to redeem

[storm jungle]

best of luck on that front 💀

[odd palm]

Lmao they dropped DKoK skins for every class XD. The chuds will the elated that they can pretend to be totally not WW2 germany

[arctic talon]

It’s akshully world war 1

🤓

[storm jungle]

you LOVE to see it

[arctic talon]

If they wanted to be WW2 they already had it

Lol

Steel legion set is absolutely WW2 era Germans lol

[odd palm]

Yeah, fair

[arctic talon]

But god I’m gona see so many fucking shovel lickers

[odd palm]

Mhm, in fairness they've always been there and the carrot always dangling in front due to the lucius

[arctic talon]

Also funnily enough the long coats on the krieg set are based on British coats during WW1

Instead of French ones

[queen laurel]

I literally have only one shovel on my character and it's for my gun lugger because i need a good melee weapon that can control hordes decently while also being good enough to hurt carapace

[arctic talon]

Shovel is unironically good on ogryn

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah

[arctic talon]

It’s not great on vet

[queen laurel]

After removing the cap

On the cleave

It has become the perfect in between between the blades and the clubs

Also it's a shovel the size of a toddler

Give that to a toddler the size of a grizzly bear on steroids and you're bound to do some damage

[arctic talon]

I see no reason to run shovel on veteran

[queen laurel]

It's like choosing to be a barbarian and putting all of your stats into intelligence

Wait that's an insult to barbarians putting their points to intelligence

[hushed merlin]

What kind of grade would Darktide psykers be?

[arctic talon]

In terms of astra militarium classification better then a wyrdvane almost into primaris territory

So about the Iota/theta/Eta range

[keen stratus]

imagine saying something like this shit to someone that isnt into warhammer

[arctic talon]

Melt their brain

[keen stratus]

no wonder we only have 1 known woman who likes it

[celest dome]

I would have them pegged as Lower Delta

[arctic talon]

Could be tbh

[celest dome]

TT ones and Books one are usually Beta or higher

Primaris are Beta iirc

[arctic talon]

Are they?

My bad

Then yeah delta would be accurate

[keen stratus]

i have a question

what is exactly the codex astartes?

[echo vault]

Oh shit the traitor got turned into the cosmetic servitor

That's crazy

[winter vessel]

Its a doctrine that outlines the moral behavior, order of battle, and tactical strategy that Roboute Guilliaman wrote for all chapters to follow. Though some of the chapters are not compliant to it. Its why It lead to the down sizing of no more than 1000 astartes a chapter to prevent to the risk of another Heresy where the traitor legions had greater numbers.

[celest dome]

It's a book of Law that describe how a Space Marine Legion/Chapter has to be divided. It's a very generalistic book with plenty of different things in it

[keen stratus]

since horus decided to make a whoopsie right?

[winter vessel]

Yeah, from there it was Horus being influenced by Lorgar, and from Lorgar to being swayed by that conniving fuck, Erebus.

[keen stratus]

wait, wasnt all a khorne thing?

[near wasp]

It was chaos undivided

[patent bay]

So are the Primaris marines the new standard? or are they a specialized role

[arctic talon]

New standard, they’re better killing machines in pretty much every way

Tactical inflexibility was only an issue with the initial batch from Cawl

Primaris can be formed into tactical squads and such like firstborn as well

If anything the primaris combat doctrine and organization more resembles the Legions

[patent bay]

Ok. sounds cool then I read some of the info but just didn't want to spoil too much for myself, coworker likes to drop random info on me while we work

[arctic talon]

One issue is that they’re even colder at times emotionally then a normal marine but it seems to vary and might just be the psycho indoctrination acting up

[green loom]

It's probably the fact that the unnumbered sons in large part were made, raised and trained by Cawl

[arctic talon]

Yep

[green loom]

More than likely when in the usual environments they'll turn out like more typical marines of most chapters

[patent bay]

That sounds very interesting I wonder how the salamanders would react to that

[green loom]

They're as fine with it as most other marines, we just got a Primaris Sally protag actually

[patent bay]

Hey as long as they are cool with it I'm cool with it. I just want them to all get along lol

[arctic talon]

Most primaris really want to absorb their chapters culture generally speaking