40k-lore-chat

[tawdry escarp]

https://youtu.be/ex1MYhbnaqE?si=MKZpsgDfRAqtJPgX

This is the only clip I could find of him from Hammer and Bolter

Where he said more than one word

[storm jungle]

The Battlefleet Gothic version is much better

[queen laurel]

Also has one of the best orks cinematics ever

God I love this part

[storm jungle]

you should see the intro bit with the ork sea shanty

before Spire's narration comes in, its great

[queen laurel]

Bro I love that

[arctic talon]

The one where they ram the imperial ship or the one where they ram each other

[queen laurel]

The one where they ran each other is from two I think

This one is from 1

[echo vault]

The video above is the imperial ship one

[storm jungle]

Nah it isnt

its the ork introductory cutscene for BFG1

https://youtu.be/UHgu_fBlSjk

[queen laurel]

I regard this as one of the best pieces of ork media to ever exist

[storm jungle]

Its super good

[arctic talon]

Battle fleet gothic armada in general

[storm jungle]

a lot better than BFG2's ork intro

[arctic talon]

Has super good summaries of factions

The first one

[storm jungle]

Kinda here and there

[arctic talon]

The second ones aren’t nearly as good

[storm jungle]

the others are very generic

the visuals tho man they are great

[queen laurel]

That one was very ******* dry bones

[arctic talon]

The visuals in the second one are really good

[queen laurel]

The first one is just full of love

[echo vault]

Is the current hammer and bolter stuff much better now

[arctic talon]

But I like the Eldar, Ork and Imperium intros

[echo vault]

Like compared to before

[arctic talon]

For the first one

[queen laurel]

The intros for the first one have personality

[storm jungle]

First one benefits from having artwork done for the cutscenes, where they do the TTS thing of moving pngs across it in a studio level production.

second is almost ENTIRELY game cutscenes

[queen laurel]

Second one is a bit toned down

[storm jungle]

Still the same

H&B is very mid i ngeneral

I do love the style

[echo vault]

I coulda sworn they made something different

[storm jungle]

I think you mean Blacktalon?

which is uh

[echo vault]

Or something on Warhammer+ was good

[arctic talon]

The eldar opening cutscene in 2 is really good tho

[storm jungle]

legit great

[arctic talon]

Mostly since like

The birth scream of slaanesh

[storm jungle]

Pariah Nexus

[arctic talon]

Is in it which is fun

[storm jungle]

Dude

that cutscene gives me chills each time

that scream of her birth is horrific

lmao

[arctic talon]

It makes my spine tingle

[storm jungle]

YEP

[echo vault]

Oh yeah, bruh I thought Hammer and bolter was all of Warhammer+

[arctic talon]

They did a great job with it

Warhammer+ has had some good stuff

[storm jungle]

Yeah like

the issue is its not WORTH to be behind a paywall

[arctic talon]

Unless you want the vault content

Which is just

Old campaign and rule Books lol

Or white dwarfs

[echo vault]

I'm gonna sleep unless they do lumineth or white scars stuff

[storm jungle]

Uhh

you forgot

how they edited out the rules

"to protect the sanctity of warhammer"

whatever the fuck that means???

[arctic talon]

Yeah idfk

[echo vault]

Probably because it was like the Internet equivalent of the line outside salty spitoon was at gw HQ in Nottingham

[storm jungle]

Lmaooo

[arctic talon]

Lmao

[echo vault]

The loremasters of gw

[plush mason]

the orks never getting a campaign in BFG2 was a tragedy

[arctic talon]

They should have gotten one

[echo vault]

I'm shocked they didn't do more

Did they do tau?

[arctic talon]

Fucks sake nids got one even if the only real unique dialogue was from the narrator lady

[queen laurel]

Even on the first one you can only play them on custom matches

[arctic talon]

No

Tau don’t even show up

[echo vault]

Wtf

[arctic talon]

In the campaign lol

[storm jungle]

BFG3 was also gonna get made btw

[queen laurel]

They literally got boiled down to a mechanic on the first one

[echo vault]

Even though they were dlc in 1st game multiplayer

[arctic talon]

They’re in 2

[plush mason]

same studio?

[echo vault]

Oh ok

[arctic talon]

Multiplayer only

And also like

[echo vault]

Makes sense sadly

[arctic talon]

Matches against AI

No eldar or ork campaign is criminal

Imo

[storm jungle]

I have an studio artist friend that worked on BFG2, basically the deal was they were approved to work on a 3rd game, same studio

but

GW came in and said

[arctic talon]

Eldar could have had weird mechanics like Necrons with webway gates

[storm jungle]

you gotta fund the game yourself without any backing from us

LOL

[arctic talon]

[echo vault]

Rip

[arctic talon]

Bruh

[plush mason]

lol

[storm jungle]

So yeah uh that kinda instantly killed it

[arctic talon]

Ain’t no way lol

[storm jungle]

IM SERIOUS

[arctic talon]

BFG is niche as fuck

[echo vault]

Tragedy

[storm jungle]

I hope Raven studios returns to it someday

but for now yeah nada

[arctic talon]

Also I really want to use eldar ships in campaign

They’re so fun to use

[storm jungle]

Same

they are basically frigates

its great

[echo vault]

Mods! If anyone is motivated to make mods of it

Which is

Few

[arctic talon]

Aparantly the campaign is very obtuse

To mod

Which I’m not suprised

[echo vault]

Someone just make a craft world model and input it into the game it's just bigger than the entire map

Just all of the open space

[arctic talon]

Lol

The craftworld mission is super underwhelming

Tbh

[echo vault]

I'd play that though like a hybrid land and air

[arctic talon]

In BFGA2

[echo vault]

Sad

[arctic talon]

It’s just stop enemy ship from reaching point

And you have some AI Allies

[echo vault]

Like TF2 payload mission

[arctic talon]

Lol

[echo vault]

Not really I'm just being dumb

[arctic talon]

The craftworld doesn’t even shoot back at the attackers

Which is ???

[echo vault]

Huh

[storm jungle]

ALSO

ITS LITERALLY

AS BIG AS HALF THE MAP

[crystal forum]

do space marines pee

[storm jungle]

no

[arctic talon]

Yes

[echo vault]

No

[queen laurel]

no

[arctic talon]

[echo vault]

How do you pee without your genitals

[arctic talon]

They still have them

[crystal forum]

this has caused more controversy than i expected

[storm jungle]

all ill say is

A long time ago in a novel, a Space Marine berated a mortal by saying "we can survive on our own reconstituted waste for months" ...

DEATH

[echo vault]

It should've been bigger

Time to take a piss

[arctic talon]

Tbh

It’s decently far away

During the actual like fight

You’re above the whole thing

[storm jungle]

Yeah craftworlds can sometimes be basically elongated planets when it comes to size.

[echo vault]

Pour one out to the istvaan V survivors living off of their own pee they suffered

[storm jungle]

I remember that episode of Better Call Saul

where Battle-Brother Mike had to travel the desert with Remembrancer Slippin' Jimmy

good show btw

[echo vault]

GW should come out with a cookbook for Warhammer but it's like AoS kharadon cookbook and 40k ork cookbook

I wanna make a squig pie

[storm jungle]

Honestly a lot of successful IPs have no idea how much in-universe cookbooks would sell

[echo vault]

Release instructions for fungus beer that could just kill you

[storm jungle]

mmmm shrooms

[winter vessel]

Grave robbers are eating good if they get to the page with corpse starch.

[echo vault]

4 cups psyclobin musnrooms

Flesh eater courts meal that's just, raw meat

[crystal forum]

shrooms?

[echo vault]

Yes

What else is in fungus beer

[arctic talon]

I want an official runeterra cookbook from Riot

[echo vault]

They just need to put a lot of recipes in there that are actually good

[arctic talon]

Mostly since we have a general idea of the diet

Of regions already

[winter vessel]

I've had alligator and since Grox is reptillian I just compare it to that.

[arctic talon]

Grox aparantly is like a red meat

[echo vault]

Like kharadron coded cookbook of the realms

[storm jungle]

A grox is basically a crocodile-cow yeah

[crystal forum]

i ate croc once

[echo vault]

Crowcadile

[storm jungle]

A Cowcodile if you will

[crystal forum]

tastes like salty chicken

[winter vessel]

Oh cool I had steak the othernight. So yeah, grox steak

[crystal forum]

it's chewy

[storm jungle]

[crystal forum]

did somebody answer my key question

nobody pinged me for it

[storm jungle]

the piss one?

[crystal forum]

no

[storm jungle]

Oh that

its literally just to imply

"ooo mcguffin key that unlocks chapter relics" etc

just fancy medieval decor-trinket more or less

[crystal forum]

i thought it was like a reference or something

[storm jungle]

its a key

💀

[arctic talon]

could be a "reference" to the Arks of Omen stuff

but I doubt it

[storm jungle]

or to my cupboard

[arctic talon]

lol

[storm jungle]

[crystal forum]

i wonder because it's so out of sight

weird detail to put

[storm jungle]

Nah its literally just a generic-ass key

tho speaking of weird details

I love how they added uh

power-field generator lines on the back

never knew that

[arctic talon]

Fun fact there's a ton of tiny scarabs

inside the Silent kings like

giant shields

[storm jungle]

Wait

[arctic talon]

you will almost certianly never see them

[storm jungle]

arent those just rocks

[arctic talon]

They're energy shield generators

thingy

but there's like 6 or 7 scarabs in each one

[storm jungle]

🔎

[crystal forum]

enhance

[plush mason]

ofc the silent king is on a Dias lol

[storm jungle]

He even has his side-homies with him

[crystal forum]

rattle em boys

[arctic talon]

shame we never got this

[storm jungle]

LMAO

jesus christ if only that was real

[queen laurel]

POV: Dilara and the Lore chat regulars

[plush mason]

that makes me think of Mazdamundi in TWW2 when you unlock his mount lol

[storm jungle]

yeah warhammer has a lot of "big guy on dias"

[arctic talon]

A lot of necron players would be happy lol

[storm jungle]

any scarabs are always welcome

[arctic talon]

They love scarabs for basing + actual units lol

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

goofy goobers

[queen laurel]

I love it when people call something that can tear apart a human a goofy goober

[plush mason]

just a Slann with his Dias on the back of a triceratops with 2 skink blowgunners flanking him lol

[arctic talon]

Thats what they are to higher ranking necron and crypteks tbf

[storm jungle]

Scarabs are also basically your SIRI if she could float around and kill people.

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

more or less basically builders/attackers

or in layman's terms just a tiny robot-bug

[plush mason]

very good at noming space marines

[storm jungle]

yeah like "realistically" speaking

all these marines would be dead

[arctic talon]

Tasty tasty matter

[storm jungle]

but the scarabs ignore them lmao

[arctic talon]

wonder if the scarabs got told to do something else lol

by the destroyer lord

[plush mason]

scarabs my beloved

[storm jungle]

"They got plot armor, avoid them"

[arctic talon]

LMAO

[storm jungle]

the material that is tougher than necrodermis

😩

[arctic talon]

the fact this is a real box is still funny to me

[storm jungle]

Oh my god

[arctic talon]

Most unbalanced fucking box ever lol

[storm jungle]

that fucking thing

[arctic talon]

which one?

[plush mason]

?

[storm jungle]

the box lmao

[arctic talon]

OH

Lmao

[storm jungle]

back when Mechanicus the game was coming out too iirc

might have been like a hopbotch attempt to make it meet its release

for like marketing reasons

[plush mason]

are those knights?

[arctic talon]

yeah

which is why I called it the most unbalanced fucking box ever lol

[storm jungle]

Yeah the funniest part is they are the SMALLEST knights too

[queen laurel]

i thought they were a type of castellan robot

[storm jungle]

squire ones iirc

[arctic talon]

the sides are about equal ironically

[arctic talon]

nah the biggest Automata the mechanicus uses commonly is the thanatar

[echo vault]

I love the FW version of the small knights where the have like gigantic claws weird faces and OP guns

[arctic talon]

my favorite necron pitbull the Canoptek Wraith

[plush mason]

the fucking skitarii going buffelo hunting tho

[echo vault]

But these aren't your everyday pitties, this pittie heroically jumped in through the window of a burning building to heroically, bite one last child

[storm jungle]

man skitarii minis are great

love that legging

[arctic talon]

They phased through 20 walls to maul a toddler

what a hero

also this comically undersized tomb sentinel

[plush mason]

skitarii are just great in general

[arctic talon]

I'm not sure why its so small

[echo vault]

I want a sci Fi version of the crane gunners in Cathay where it's one huge gun and a shield held by someone else

[arctic talon]

but its funny to me

[storm jungle]

Distance and angle imo

[arctic talon]

True

[storm jungle]

but it deffo should be a bit bigger

[arctic talon]

its a very cool piece of art

[storm jungle]

always good seeing FW minis too so

[plush mason]

ngl im shocked 40k doesnt have that already lol

[arctic talon]

out of all the MTG arts for 40k this one is prolly my favorite

[echo vault]

The arquebus is the closest example

[storm jungle]

the creativity behind it is what makes it imo

[arctic talon]

yeah

[queen laurel]

watching them get torn apart in brutal cunning because of amazingly bad leadership from computers that's supposed to adjust the tactics according to situation it's quite sad

[echo vault]

Editing that to say something stupid like fortnite

[storm jungle]

yeah thats what you get when your skitarii are netirely automated

[arctic talon]

Skill issue tbh, should have had a better tech priest

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

Or more independent skitarii

one or the other lol

[storm jungle]

Skitarii can be normal troopers with human thought ye lol

[arctic talon]

Mindslaved skitarii usually don't go well metallica

[queen laurel]

the imperium calling chaos skill issue after the guardsman did a sick 360

[plush mason]

cant the techpriests do like Harbinger did with the collectors?

[arctic talon]

Yes

assume direct control

[plush mason]

just take over one of the skitarii commanders from like a ship in orbit

[arctic talon]

Its usually an individual skitarii

not the commander

[plush mason]

lol

[arctic talon]

the commander usually just relays orders

aside from when in a veteran cohort because then the sktarii are just allowed to do whatever the fuck they want

[plush mason]

so its just full on "assuming direct control"

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/assuming-direct-control-mass-effect-gif-18465258

[arctic talon]

but skitarii veteran cohorts are weird

mostly since the tech priests have no real input on what they do

beyond just general mission objectives

[plush mason]

so they just get told what to do when fuck off to do it?

[arctic talon]

yeah

there might be some tech priests along with them

but the skitarii do everything on their own lol

With marshals and alphas giving orders

[plush mason]

alphas are like the squad leaders right?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[crystal forum]

im high and i want to buy a model

wolf reccomend me

[arctic talon]

What faction

[crystal forum]

space marine

[arctic talon]

Also price range

Because I don’t want to put a hole in your wallet

[crystal forum]

normal single unit box so arojnd 60$

[arctic talon]

you like plasma?

[crystal forum]

not really

[arctic talon]

nvm then

[crystal forum]

should i buy the nerf blasters coming out

[arctic talon]

Desolaters?

nah

[crystal forum]

damn

[arctic talon]

unless you like how they look

I think they're ugly as shit lol

[queen laurel]

You mean the space marine flash gitz?

[crystal forum]

hahaaha i was freaking out about the prices until i noticed i was on australia mode

[arctic talon]

LOL

[crystal forum]

yes

[queen laurel]

Their guns are just too ugly

It's the way of construction is so out of place for the imperium

[arctic talon]

actually wait

[plush mason]

them the ones with the idiot rifle missile launchers?

[arctic talon]

what minis do you own already @crystal forum

[arctic talon]

yes

[crystal forum]

the leviathan box and heavy intercessors

and 5 assault interc

and a lieutenant

[arctic talon]

Infiltrators maybe then?

I like them quite a bit on the table

on TTS

[crystal forum]

should i get basic ass intercessors

i have none

[arctic talon]

Oh

[keen nova]

Those guys look cool.

[arctic talon]

they're always nice to have

Since they can grab objectives and then start running

[echo vault]

I like the ones with the line visor but they all have exposed hair

[crystal forum]

alright im getting basic bitches

or wait

shuld i get the plasma

which is better?

[arctic talon]

I love hellblasters

I am very biased

[echo vault]

Melta

[arctic talon]

Plasma is for killing a lot more stuff, intercessors are for snagging objectives and taking potshots

[crystal forum]

i do enjoy killing

gaaah so hard to decide

i'll coin flip

tails for interc

plasma it is

[sullen cape]

get 1-3 ssquads of intercessors if your doiung it don't get just a squad since they are jut a battleline unit max is i believe 6 total. but they only have objective secure unlike heavy intercessor who are fair more toughner to take down tough it does depend on your regular opptents like tau or nids are not really going to notice th heavy intercessors but they cost more in both points and real life $$. if anything would go with wait till codex to see if there is any change to battle line units cuase if so then something maybe well worth it comapred to basic units

[frosty stag]

Get 5 baneblades

[sullen cape]

about 2.3k point right there

[arctic talon]

You can split intercessors into two squads of 5

10 mans are bad because of blast

[celest dome]

Why would you launch a drop pod with a Missile battery

Instead of just dropping a bomb ?

[queen laurel]

The only reason I can see for this being useful is if you need to deploy a quick defensive position in a rather dangerous area

Even then I'm pretty sure you could just drop in turrets

[near wasp]

Missles can have guidance systems and could lock onto priority targets behind enemy lines. Maybe the drop pod has the targeting information or something

[odd palm]

Also the pods could be outfitted with a variety of munitions, which allows greater flexibility

[storm jungle]

Its mostly to clear landing zones before the marines drop in

its a very dumbass idea but its 40k so

[celest dome]

Fair

[queen laurel]

The classic trait of the imperium is wasting the resources to make incredibly wasteful weaponry, they just do it out of the fact that to flex on the enemy

[storm jungle]

🙏

[normal light]

Well* it`s a whole nature of the Imperium

[plush mason]

so does the treaty joining terra and mars have a name?

[celest dome]

Treaty of Mars/Olympus Mons

[storm jungle]

^

named after the biggest mountain on Mars IRL iirc

[plush mason]

neat

[winter vessel]

I wish I could have a Lego set for this to build.

[undone zodiac]

clear out area where beakies plan to land

[plush mason]

https://youtu.be/jt26AQFW71Q?si=Pgx-6iNF3nVePh9A

so whats controlling these kriegers?

[queen laurel]

Scarabs

[shadow plover]

mindshackle scarabs

[plush mason]

damn

is there anything those little basterds cant do?

[queen laurel]

Get a girlfriend

[plush mason]

lol

tbf not even the emperor could manage that feat :P

[queen laurel]

That guy can't even be a decent father why would he even try to have a relationship

[plush mason]

because all shit fathers do

[crystal forum]

should have paid his child support

[storm jungle]

They are pretty much almost microsopic

so you are fucked either way

[green loom]

https://imgur.com/a/b6cpTx3

This is my number 2 reason for liking this series

Watching Kriegers die brings me joy

[normal light]

👍

I think everyone enjoys it

[green loom]

[nocturne crest]

Because you can only drop a bomb once, but you can drop this and blitz and entire area.

[storm jungle]

As I said before

Its a dumb thing that only sounds cool on paper

Y’all really dont need to attempt to justify it

[queen laurel]

Yeah it's more efficient to just drop in armored support vehicles with the infantry

[storm jungle]

Pretty much

Or just literally anything else

[green loom]

What are some slaanesh-themed mutations/gifts

Beyond the usual crab claw

[queen laurel]

All right then

Injects a man with enough drugs to send him into a bloody rage in and forcefully strap him with chains on the drop pod

[queen laurel]

Horns, wings

[hidden kiln]

Looks like one of these but upgraded with missiles instead of mines. Cool.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM1100_Scorpion

[queen laurel]

Basically anything that shows beauty

Yes the other chaos god's use these features as well but

Slannesh is very popular on making those look very fancy

[green loom]

Was thinking some gorgon stuff maybe

Like how that

Uhhh

[queen laurel]

I mean you can do something like chimera

[green loom]

The Slaanesh guy for champions in TWW3

Forget his name

Has actual snakes as a tail

[queen laurel]

Azazel?

[green loom]

I think so

[queen laurel]

This one

[green loom]

Ye

[queen laurel]

Yeah, the hard part with making slaanesh is balancing beauty with disturbance

You need to find the way to make it look off putting and beautiful at the same time

[green loom]

It could be argued that something sufficiently "pretty" could be off putting

[queen laurel]

Fax

Something way too perfect is horrifying in its own right

[green loom]

I'm probably going to go slightly-mutated knight lady, as far as themes go

Gonna take some inspo from Hedonite models mayhaps

[queen laurel]

Oooh that would be something

[storm jungle]

Look at the Age of Sigmar slaanesh models

Any animals that are associated with excess and sin

lots of hellraiser visuals etc

[green loom]

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

Hmmm

I'll need to look into that

It's more for loose inspiration since this is mainly just an excuse to draw more feimine stuff

[arctic talon]

Lots of ant eater like looks

[plush mason]

i dont know any animals with those associations bar the snake lol

[storm jungle]

Goats, certain bugs, snakes, etc

[celest dome]

Doves/Birds for pride

Marbled skin

[plush mason]

why doves of all things?

arent they symbols of peace and hope?

main, people really really didnt know jack shit about animals when they made these associations did they

[celest dome]

Also Pride

Doves are just pigeons, they aren't really anything else than flying mouses (rats would be Seaguls)

[plush mason]

true

[storm jungle]

Goats/Bugs/Reptiles make more sense

because people associate them with "evil" and the first sin like Eve eating the apple after being tempted, or goats being associated with the devil/lust etc

its why horns on demons in media is a big thing

[crystal forum]

i never heard of this before. interesting concept

[plush mason]

like why are goats associated with the devil when the soul devouring hellspawn that are otters exist?

[storm jungle]

When Christianity was sweeping across Europe, one major tactic it used in converting pagans was to get them to convert by adopting parts of their pagan heritage, then demonising the rest to ensure they never went back to their old ways. The Greek god Pan ended up being a major scapegoat (excuse the pun) and became the common depiction of Satan in early medieval artwork. Then we have the Goat of Mendes. It was a greek symbol based on an ancient Egyptian god (named Ba, no puns) linked to the soul and the afterlife, and for various reasons it stuck around as a common occult symbol. Occultism is automatically considered Satanic by many Christians.

In the 1800s, a man named Eliphas Levi cemented it. He drew on depictions of the Goat of Mendes to do a drawing called "Baphomet," which was a fictional god some people invented to frame the Knights Templar for "devil worship" a few centuries earlier. His drawing of Baphomet became infamous, and Baphomet had always been linked with, or possibly a stand-in for, Satan. That was really it for goats from then on, and any depiction of a goat-headed demon really draws on Levi's depiction.

In the 1960s, the Church of Satan adopted Baphomet and the goat-head imagery as part of their official emblem, just as one final nail in the coffin for goats.

[crystal forum]

i thought goats were associated with paganism and we all know how much christians hate that

[crystal forum]

wait otters are cool wtf

[green loom]

Women, truly the greatest evil

[plush mason]

its a joke because north american river otters are hella territorial and will chase you a long ways if you get to close to their territory

and they can easily shred your tendons if they get a good bite in

[celest dome]

Dolphin are worse than Otters. Otters are cute at least

[plush mason]

true

Dolphins are evil as shit

nearly as evil as humans

[storm jungle]

Not even a joke

[plush mason]

nope

[crystal forum]

have you seen those south american otters though

those are what nightmares are made of

[plush mason]

nope

[crystal forum]

these things will kill you

and they look possessed

they're so damn ugly

[plush mason]

the northern ones are that but brown lol

same soulless eyes

[crystal forum]

nah they're way cuter

[celest dome]

Eurasian otters are the cutest

[crystal forum]

they're like water weasels

[crystal forum]

ah i see. very distinguished fellows

[echo vault]

River otter

[versed ledge]

But dolphins know how to have fun

They get high off of blowfish and turn those puffers to bongs

[sharp grove]

Do we have any record of what chaos entities whisper to psykers when they hear voices? I imagine there's generic stuff like "kill them..." "the emperor has forsaken you..." "we are your only friends..." etc but very keen to learn of actual utterances

[arctic talon]

Prolly just some random daemon

Or warp creature messing with their head

I’d assume a nurgle one based on tertiums corruption

But it could be anything technically

[sharp grove]

Sorry I know it's daemons/warp homies but interested in the contents of what they say

[arctic talon]

Oh

My bad

I have no clue ngl

[tawdry escarp]

One of them kept trying to sell me an extended warranty on my Chimera

[wary sky]

What side of the great rift is Tertium on?

[sullen cape]

by the check of it the nasty side, on the other side is the nastier side. given the fact that the astropathic hail was heard and we are here then i assume it on the the closer to terra not the dead zone or nihlius side

[arctic talon]

Sanctus, the side where you can still see the astronomicon

[celest dome]

It's left unclear to be mysterious

[sharp grove]

How very '40k novel' of them :P Thanks! I did go searching but wasn't sure if I just wasn't looking hard enough

[silver pollen]

Does Imperial Guard possess the secret of tactical nuke? Like, satchel charge with power yield of 1-5 kiloton, or let's say, artillery shell with nuclear warhead and power yield around 15-20 kiloton. Well, those funny things, IRL humans created in M1, 960-s. In all Guard related books I never recall them use anything but "just explosives" in their artillery shells.

[queen laurel]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwir-q_ZytSBAxWdwjgGHX6TCmkQFnoECA4QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwh40k.lexicanum.com%2Fwiki%2FBomb&usg=AOvVaw3agPw9ot1npxOf4DH79Exd&opi=89978449

The link to the bombs aircraft carry

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Shell and for the artillery shells

[silver pollen]

Looks like the magic to put ~1 Hirosima into the 6-inch shell is forever lost in time.

[sullen cape]

yeah it called somehow getting your hands on a Vortex Grenade. or Vortex Boltgun shells (FF DW RPG).

[silver pollen]

It is way more technologically complex and unpredictable because warp-reliance. I speak about trivial tech which people created in the second half of 20th century and which demands way less technological expertise from the producing party - judging by the fact how technobarbarians of Terra during Long Night glassed the hell out of it.

Like a lot of situations in the books where Guard acts and they have artillery, would have been way less dramatic if they could fire the tactical nuclear shell in the certain target. Like, during Plague Wars it should have been must have thing to use against nurglite forces.

[storm jungle]

And nukes are still nukes.

Radiation is also a thing, and whats stopping Nurglite forces from developing resistance to rads

[forest orbit]

Also widespread nuclear weapon usage is still a bad thing

even in 40k

That and not every guard regiment has access to this shit

[silver pollen]

When we talk about conventional tac-nuke shell, radiation is secondary harm factor. Main is the ball of superheat plasma and the blast wave. I saw the "rad shell" in the list and I assume it is the Davy Crokett warhead in the form of artillery shell - this is indeed mainly radiological weapon first.

[queen laurel]

Yeah trying to use radiation poisoning on something that loves being poisoned isn't exactly a smart idea

[storm jungle]

You are putting way too much thought into this

BL authors dont know anything about how wars are fought

so this is like the last thing on their mind

[queen laurel]

Brother calm down don't put too much thought into this there is a gun that lets you shoot literal f****** gravity in this setting

[storm jungle]

If you do these how will you get John McBadass the Guardsman charge and kill a plague marine

and so on

[forest orbit]

Yeah like any conventional form of warfare in 40k in general is just not usually done

unless its like the tau

[silver pollen]

Clearing rad waste is still easier than cleaning Nurgle shit.

[forest orbit]

Its really not

Both are equally bad lol

Unless you are like admech

which a good portion of Ultramar was not

[queen laurel]

Nurgle disease is still a disease

A disease is curable

[forest orbit]

Kind of

[silver pollen]

Nurgle disease is also conceptual because warp-fuckery.

[forest orbit]

and radiation is still radiation

[silver pollen]

Rad is not. Pure physics.

[forest orbit]

like this is legit a terrible idea

no offense lmao

[plush mason]

i mean. radiation doesnt corrupt your soul and make you into a daemon controlled zombie lol

[queen laurel]

Yeah but the imperium also uses warp fuckery to heal things

[silver pollen]

this

[forest orbit]

...its still radiation though

like its not a good solution

at all

you may as well spam virus bombs

[plush mason]

like yeah its bad but likely much easier to make protective gear for

[forest orbit]

makes about as much sense

[queen laurel]

My brother in christ this is not fallout radiation is radiation

[forest orbit]

^

Theres a fuck ton of problem with just mini-nuke spamming half of Ultramar

firstly it would never be allowed, its a massive population center for a lot of things

secondly you may as well go do door to door purges instead

a nuke of any size or effect is just a shit idea

This is up there with McArthur saying we should nuke the korean border with 35 bombs

and that will teach the chinese to not atack

and you know

not think about ANY of the aftermath

[silver pollen]

But noone speaks about salted bombs or other types of radiation weapons. Proper tactical thermonuclear shell is quite "clean" weapon. Relatively.

[forest orbit]

Because why use them when you got armies and other resources

you are applying way too much logic into the Imperial war machine

[plush mason]

McArthur never gave a fuck about anything but his own glory lol. he would have fit right in as a general in the guard

[forest orbit]

any proposal you make will get counter-proposed by another general and so on

[queen laurel]

Ok so this is

Kaptin Badrukk and this is a line explaining his weapon

A lead-lined greatcoat protects Badrukk from the deadly radiation generated by his most beloved weapon, Da Rippa, a Shoota so dangerous that merely standing near it when it is fired is essentially a death sentence by radiation poisoning. The weapon once belonged to the Ogryn bodyguard of an Imperial Sub-sector Governor and the Kaptin has modified it to fire unstable plasma canisters instead of high-calibre slugs so that each detonates with all the heat and radioactive force of a small star

[forest orbit]

this isnt suppose to be a properly functioning military

[forest orbit]

Pretty much lol

fucking nutcase and sociopath

[queen laurel]

Badrukk is an ork

So even they have problem with radiation how do you think a human would react

[storm jungle]

this too lol

like this sounds good on paper sure

But you know 💀

[plush mason]

nukes only sound good on paper to those who dont understand nukes

[storm jungle]

^

Like us for example

[queen laurel]

They are last resort weapons for a reason

[forest orbit]

Theres way too many dominoes to take into effect to using them, even in 40k

[plush mason]

there is a reason they where only ever used twice in all of history and those 2 where little more than firecrackers next to the later generations

[silver pollen]

I recall the scene of siege of one of last footholds on one planet where Nurgle played his sabotage scheme, turning it into infested swamp shithole - and the Death guard builds the dam to cross the channel and invade the city. One single nuclear shell would have solved the problem and won Imperials quite a lot of time.

[plush mason]

they where only mass produced due to the disadvantage NATO had verse the red army. we needed a line of scarecrows because we where so outnumbered we could never hold off a full on soviet assult

[forest orbit]

Thats the Siege, where it was literally hell on earth

[green loom]

Won't that nuke level the city

[forest orbit]

also like

[queen laurel]

The damage they cause you really just makes them useful for desperate situations where you really need to get rid of the enemy, but the scale of battles you may as well just resort to exterminatus

[green loom]

Like

[forest orbit]

you really assume way too much that other imperial commanders will allow you to do this

[green loom]

It's not like guard don't use anything of the sort

[forest orbit]

^

[silver pollen]

No. Tac nuke shell is around 1 Hirosima. Can be tuned to be less. Not every nuke is 50 Megaton Tzar-bomb.

[forest orbit]

And again no offense but "A nuke would have solved this issue"

is literally just McArthur as fuck

[green loom]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Deathstrike_Missile_Launcher

[forest orbit]

aka not thinking any of the after effects

or you not having the authority to do this lol

[queen laurel]

Also in warhammer throwing a nuclear bomb at your problem is usually not enough to solve it

[forest orbit]

pretty much

[silver pollen]

What after effects? Planet is already a shithole besieged by literal demons of infection.

[forest orbit]

Its Terra

[plush mason]

said call full on got him sacked lol

[forest orbit]

for starters lol

[queen laurel]

Considering the scale of attacks a normal faction warband can do which is usually enough to take over an entire

[silver pollen]

Iaks, if I recall that right. Not Terra. Plague wars and such.

[queen laurel]

Planet

[forest orbit]

You said the Siege so thats what Im assuming

[queen laurel]

You will need a lot of nuclear bombs but with the amount of nuclear bombs you will need you will send the planet into a radiation wasteland

[forest orbit]

either way again, you got like 4 people here already arguing that its a shit idea

now imagine proposing this at a war council

im sure they'll happily let you use them instead of any other resources the guard has

like i dont know

[forest orbit]

This

[green loom]

If the planet is already fucked, you wouldn't really use valuable stuff to save Jim bob and his serf family

[forest orbit]

that too

Nukes dont solve every problem lol

[queen laurel]

And this is warhammer you may as well exterminatus the planet with how massive the scales of battles are in the setting

[silver pollen]

In the scale of whole planet tac nuke is nothing. But on the tactical scale it can prety well tip the things. If Guard utilized proper nuke shells, enemy could pretty well forget about zerg-rush tactics and concetration in the certain radius because that would be literally asking for said nuke shell to be dropped on their heads.

[forest orbit]

A deathstrike which is basically a massive missle-bomb already requires authorizaton to be used

nuclear shells would be even higher than that

Not everyone has access to these things, this is literally just a "easier said than done" situation

💀

[silver pollen]

But as the setting is built around idiocy of melee fighting... Well, we are here.

[forest orbit]

...

stabbing a twat with an axe is different to using a nuclear weapon

LMAO

[green loom]

I also kinda doubt a nuke will really stop the unending shambling hordes of hell, so banking on it isn't the best

[forest orbit]

Or you know

[silver pollen]

Because Deathstrike is the ICBM. INTERCONTINENTAL weapon, and judging by its size, it pretty well may carry a 50-100 Megaton warhead.

[forest orbit]

Doesnt make any difference

a nuke is a nuke

just AAAA

[forest orbit]

Also that too

[queen laurel]

The Risk a nuke would bring on the mission you're trying to probably do is already pretty high

And also most times the imperium tries to take something back and tries to defense something

[forest orbit]

THIS is the most critical point.

[queen laurel]

So a nuke, which is designed to annihilate surroundings is not the best idea

[forest orbit]

its the same reason the Imperium doesnt utilize orbital bombardments that much

almost half the battles the Imperium fights are re-capturing campaigns

[plush mason]

afaik the guard is built around static fighting. they take a point, hold it for a time, advance to a new one. rinse repeat untill the world is taken

[storm jungle]

I feel like I'm watching an r/40klore thread spiral out of control

[silver pollen]

No, it isn't. Tactical artillery shell is 15 Kiloton power. Just "very powerful shell" and "not advise to live in that particular area of blast in the next 50 years" but nothing more. In the Warhammer scale of things it is surprisingly moderate weapon which is something I would absolutely expect Imperium to use on regular basis just to "remove that group of enemies".

[forest orbit]

And yet nukes are still not that widely used

because its destructive and too harmful to an area lol

[silver pollen]

No, because most BL authors are morons.

[queen laurel]

If you want to deal with fortifications use a bane sword

[forest orbit]

Or because nuclear warfare is boring

[plush mason]

yeah the "not live in the ares for 50 years" is something the imperium would want to avoid

[forest orbit]

and nobody wants to read about it

[green loom]

They're writing a funny dramatic story, not a treatise on modern warfare

[forest orbit]

^

genuinely what is this topic lol

[plush mason]

they want the world back up and producing things ASAP

talking getting a factory back up the day its taken

[forest orbit]

Okay sure go homebrew a guard regiment that uses crockets then idfk

[silver pollen]

I speak about range of km or two. Hive worlds literally have huge wastes of nothingness outside said hives - who cares about that? Humans already can't live there.

[forest orbit]

Because not every battle takes place in hives

[plush mason]

^

[forest orbit]

and is usually in massive population centers

[queen laurel]

Also you're making the planet which is designed to support life even worse

[forest orbit]

^

[plush mason]

yeah the enemies isnt out in the wastes

they are in the hives

[queen laurel]

I know the conditions unfavorable but i won't add extra radiation to the suffering

[forest orbit]

this is like looking at Atoma Prime

and going

[silver pollen]

Armageddon? Could literally shell orks in the planes like it is no tomorrow.

[forest orbit]

"Nuke the hive, that will get rid of the cultists"

[forest orbit]

What are you gonna do when the orks reach the walls

and are literaly endless in number

and that they can shrug off almost all their losses because they are an inhuman enemy

[queen laurel]

They can also just teleport inside

[green loom]

They did, for the most part

But uh

Roks

[silver pollen]

Hive is arcology. Self-sustainable.

[plush mason]

also Armageddon is a special case

[queen laurel]

Yeah Orks drop literal meteors before engaging

[forest orbit]

Is that why they are all falling apart

[plush mason]

Roks are great

peak 40k

[forest orbit]

and people are literally sifting through shit to eat stuff

[silver pollen]

And that is why proper tactical shell barrgae should have happened before that moment.

[queen laurel]

You can't shoot that out of the sky unless you have a particularly big gun

[forest orbit]

And again

the Imperial guard doesnt have good leaders

you also suggesting something like this could as easily get you shot

or removed

[plush mason]

even then all you get is a giant ass meteor shower that likely still has a lot of orks or atleast their spores

[normal light]

What’s the topic of whole conversation?

[queen laurel]

Yeah the split-off fragments would hit other places still

[green loom]

I mean fighting wise people did fine, the orks just have a tendency to come in actual meteor showers via hijacked asteroids

[queen laurel]

Someone suggesting that the use of a nuclear bomb in 40k is justifiable even though it's very bad

[forest orbit]

Nukes are an optional weapon for a reason

why even waste them on stuff like this

[silver pollen]

Use of tactical nuclear shells (15 Kiloton more or less) by the Imperial Guard or lack of such despite it would have been quite practical.

[forest orbit]

Okay see

again

"practical"

[queen laurel]

Also they will not hesitate to literally divebomb their spacecraft directly into the planets crust

[forest orbit]

the guard isnt practical

💀

they literally fight using WW1-2 tactics

[plush mason]

^

[forest orbit]

nukes werent exactly a big part of either

unless you count ending it with a plane flyby

which you know 99% of the war didnt have

[normal light]

Good you nuked enemy positions where you would entrench and how you would traverse this terrain?

[forest orbit]

THANK YOU

JESUS

this is literally a 5v1 convo at this point

[normal light]

Like radiation is a thing

[forest orbit]

We mentioned that

it kinda went nowhere

[normal light]

And you don’t all of your tanks and IFV to be radioactive

[plush mason]

the only hope to stop the orks from infesting your world is to destroy all their ships and roks very far away from the planet's atmo/gravity well

[normal light]

Because if they are , they are just a piece of radioactive metal for now

[queen laurel]

Yeah, i literally told him already that there is an ork that shoots a gun and the radiation of that gun is so bad he has to wear a special coat

[green loom]

I'll add that referring to the fighters as "The Guard" is pretty redundant since they're usually pretty comically not cohesive with like 50 different regiments crammed together without rhyme or reason

[silver pollen]

Breakthrough point? Send tank spearhead there, exploit the breakthrough, destroy the rear, no? The very same things, which were planned for WW3.

[normal light]

Admech Vanguard MOMENT

[forest orbit]

[queen laurel]

Yeah destroying everything above and make sure they don't land

[plush mason]

yup

[silver pollen]

If they are not in ground zero - no, they are not. There is that hidden magic of DESACTIVATION. Like, wash the radioactive dust away and you are good.

[forest orbit]

Okay so how are you gonna wash it away

what if the teams you send constantly get killed

or harrassed by enemies that arent affected by radiation

and so on

this isnt real life

[normal light]

Breakthrough zone which devasted by nuke okay , it`s takes more time to prepare unit after this and also means that vehicles used in this breakthrough would go out of fight to be deactiveted

[forest orbit]

^

[normal light]

Deactivation takes time

[forest orbit]

Like, Mike Tyson's quote about everyone having a plan before they get punched in the face comes to mind

you assume way too much that the imperial warmachine is perfect

[silver pollen]

Not years, not months. We speak about hours. You have to rotate people from the first line anyway especially vehicles - for maintenance, refuelling, ammo resupply and so on.

[forest orbit]

Again

[plush mason]

btw that plan was never used and we have no idea if that would work. we also dont know how long it would take the radiation from a weapons grade explosion to decay

[forest orbit]

why are you expecting this to go perfectly

💀

like if this was real life sure maybe

but anything can happen in a warzone in 40k

this is all under the assumption that this will be a "clean" war

[plush mason]

all we really have is the Chernobyl explosion and that wasnt a weapons grade plant

[forest orbit]

and it was still horrific

[silver pollen]

You can Google how many nuclear tests were conducted. About the part of "how long it would take the radiation from a weapons grade explosion to decay" generals had pretty good idea. That's what were tests for.

[plush mason]

fallout reach Scotland

[queen laurel]

Oh look the nuclear bomb i decided to throw at that position was literally turned into dust because a giant blue chicken decided it would be funny

[forest orbit]

LMAO

This is the perfect example

[plush mason]

yeah that too

[silver pollen]

When why exactly it doesn't turn all the kinetic projectiles into wet noodles? Because why not?

[plush mason]

daemons and full on fucking magic exists in 40k

[queen laurel]

Because it can it's a lord of change

[forest orbit]

^

Its literally in the name

now you are just dodging lol

[silver pollen]

Yes, why fight him then? He would won anyway...

[forest orbit]

Because they can be killed

lol

[silver pollen]

With bare fists?

[forest orbit]

With tanks

with artillery

with guns

[normal light]

Oh no how it could happend some funcy guys conducted counter battery fire an destroyed our Artillery Battery supplyed with Nuclear Shells and now part of our 3rd is unusable

[plush mason]

where is fun in that. daemons are not beings of reason or understanding

[queen laurel]

My brother in christ, the place that you decided to target and with a bomb is important for the planet to function

[forest orbit]

Like again nobody here is agreeing with you

take your goddamn L

[storm jungle]

Alright lads calm down now

this topic definitely derailed lol

[plush mason]

the greater daemons basically do like the doom slayer, they actively nerf themselves to avoid being bored while fighting

[normal light]

👍

[storm jungle]

@forest orbit @silver pollen You two especially, stop keeping the argument going.

[forest orbit]

Alright

[queen laurel]

Yes ma'am

[silver pollen]

Alright, alright, I bend myself to the higher authority.

[storm jungle]

[plush mason]

good, bow to your queen

[storm jungle]

Dude 💀

[plush mason]

it was a joke :P

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

Ok buddy calm down before i have to shoot you with a slugga

[normal light]

Your last one

[plush mason]

lmao

[normal light]

[forest orbit]

[nocturne crest]

What has been the longest ship to be stuck in the warp before exiting that was loyal going in and out?

[daring monolith]

AFAIK admiral spire in a dauntless light cruiser

So 800 or so years

Time in the warp is finicky another case was a shrine world was enveloped by a warp storm where more or less 300 sisters of our martyred lady were left to defend against demons for a few centuries but when celestine, greyfax and black Templar chapter broke though the storm they found out the 300 sisters held for a span of a few weeks to months

[plush mason]

yes he was

the intro for the imperial campaign says so

[daring monolith]

Yea that's the first thought that came into mind

[plush mason]

he was also the dude that stopped the 12th black crusade lol

[daring monolith]

Yea that man was (is) a legend

[plush mason]

Abaddon seeing Spire come back after the fall of Cadia be like "will this dude just die already!?"

[daring monolith]

Lol

Yea the yarrick equivalent in the Imperial navy

Old as he is fervent as grimaldus put it

[arctic talon]

Um akshully in canon it was ravensburg

🤓

Also the imperium took a much bigger L

But spire is canon bcs he gets mentioned in the 9e rule book

He’s in imperium Nihlus

[plush mason]

lol

so they made him canon even tho both games flopped

[storm jungle]

yeah because 40k games are still canon

majorily due to BL authors writing the plots

[crystal forum]

i wonder if abaddon can ever truly be stopped

i can't be the only person that thinks 13 black crusades gets a little old

[arctic talon]

Tbh he got pushed back at vigilus

Even if he killed a fuck ton of people

[crystal forum]

but he can just regroup back in the warp and try again

like cadia is gone forever and he can keep going

[arctic talon]

Chaos moment 💀

He lost planet killer

Which is actually not great lol

The flagship of the black legion went up in flames lol

[crystal forum]

he'll just pull out another black ship and try again

[arctic talon]

Planet killer was in fact one of a kind

Since it was built out of some daot bullshit in the eye of terror

But chaos will always have the upper hand in warhammer

Only setting where that isn’t true is AoS sorta

Mostly since nagash has a literal infinite army of undead

[crystal forum]

it's not that i want the imperium to have all the W's

i just want chaos to actually lose for once

[arctic talon]

Yeah that’s fair

[crystal forum]

like kaldor draigo could confront abaddon in the warp or something

since he's apparently the only person that can kill a demon for good

[arctic talon]

Abbadon isn’t a daemon

And any psyker or blank of enough power can permanently kill a daemon

[crystal forum]

can champions die

[arctic talon]

It depends

If they’re valuable enough chaos gods say no

I.E kharn and typhus

Typhus almost dies

And nurgle gives him a little pick him up

[crystal forum]

and lucian

[arctic talon]

Lucius is the obvious one

[crystal forum]

i keep getting the name wrong

[arctic talon]

But typhus almost dies to like 5 grey knights

Before nurgle saves his ass

But GW doesn’t like killing named characters

Especially ones with new minis

[crystal forum]

at least orks die usually

[arctic talon]

Which is why it was a suprise they actually killed Kell

And also I forgot someone

But there’s a chaos lord with a mini who just fuckin died lol

They were oldish

[crystal forum]

GW wanted to retire them?

[arctic talon]

Nah

[plush mason]

is immortality a big draw for chaos followers in 40k like it was for fantasy?

[arctic talon]

The mini was still sold after he died lol

As a generic chaos lord

[crystal forum]

lmao

[arctic talon]

He got blown up by the guard in the 12th black crusade

Big L tbh

Turns out

Standing around is bad

Against artillery

[plush mason]

lmao

didnt even get a real send off duel

[storm jungle]

Kell?

[plush mason]

just blown up because he was in the wrong grid box at the wrong time lol

[arctic talon]

Color sgt. Kell

[storm jungle]

Have you seen his new death

its a lot better

[arctic talon]

The one where he spits in Abbadons face?

[storm jungle]

if a bit wank-y

Yep lmao

[arctic talon]

Lol

[storm jungle]

and Abaddon just

rips off his limbs

and throws him away

[arctic talon]

Abbadon mkment

[arctic talon]

Resin terminator mini refrence

[storm jungle]

💀

[plush mason]

wasnt there a fantasy character named kell?

[arctic talon]

I think so lol

[plush mason]

undead beserker i think

[celest dome]

Krell ?

[storm jungle]

Kemmler and Krell yep

https://youtu.be/KcxD6GCPyi8

[celest dome]

Don't remember what happen to them in the ET

Was it Harald that kill them ?

[storm jungle]

Kemmler was the first special character to die in the End Times

Krell i dont remember i think he becomes a bigshot in the Death faction before the world explodes

[celest dome]

Arkan killed Kemmler cause said Necro chosed Chaos

[normal light]

He chooses right side in the end

[rose thorn]

Time for rite of passage!

The navigator audio book

NECROMUNDA REFRENCE

[crystal forum]

I SAW NECROMUNDA AND I CLAPPED

[storm jungle]

IT BROKE NEW GROUND

[celest dome]

Honestly, outside of Necromunda, I don't really care about 40k

[normal light]

[celest dome]

Why the gun mister Enforcer 🚬

[normal light]

Okay , 🔨

[rose thorn]

After like, the first few chapters this is basically a necromunda book in a different place lmao

It starts really, really, slow and meaningless

But once you get past that

It goes to good old ‘openly terrible person protagonist hates other terrible people’ format

[storm jungle]

what book is it

[rose thorn]

Rites of passage

[storm jungle]

oooh nice

[rose thorn]

Yes

Yee*

I love the political bullshit it’s really funny

[storm jungle]

its the best part of the book tbh

[fervent folio]

Hello scholars of 40k. I have a question. I seem to recall a story about an imperial warship that got lost in the warp and turned into a daemon

as in, the whole ship

became a demon entity

but I cant recall the ships and therefore the stories name

[plush mason]

knights have air horns right?

[storm jungle]

Warhorns yep

[storm jungle]

Hmmmm

now thats a tricky one, because Im half-sure I remember this story

[plush mason]

i wonder if a chaos knight's warhorn sounds different

like a daemonic scream over just the air horn like blare of an imperial one

[rose thorn]

Honestly that happened a few times, i can think of abour maybe 3 instances something like that happened?

But 2 of it is space marines

Well CSM

I think something like that was in battle fleet book?

[rose thorn]

Here’s the sources on the demon ship 40k wiki

Battlefleet Gothic - Traitor Fleets: The Vessels of Chaos (Specialty Game), pp. 40-41
Index Chaotica: Terminus Est (Digital Edition), pp. 3-4, 6-11
Veritas Ferrum (Audio Book) by David Annandale
The Damnation of Pyhtos (Novel) by David Annandale
Ruinstorm (Novel) by David Annandale

I didn’t realize there were books about it

Well

Featuring it

[plush mason]

ok so i just learned about "deathtrap dungeon"

and its clear a lot of it was used for warhammer fantasy lol

the skaven where nearly just a 1:1 port of the ratmen

[arctic talon]

Warhammer fantasy predates it

[plush mason]

ah

so it was the other way around got it

[arctic talon]

Wait nvm

The book predates the tabletop game

The video game doesn’t

[plush mason]

yeah

[arctic talon]

The main Wikipedia page is for the video game

Why

[plush mason]

lol

so yeah deathtrap leant a lot to warhammer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v_H93nnTxU

i also didnt one of the founders of GW was knighted

[crisp heath]

funny curveball time

if the Khan ended up on an orc infested world and somehow survived long enough to reach adulthood do you think the orc's would follow him seeing as hes way tougher then any orc boss would be

Khan specifilly cause he go fast and i think the orcs would really like that