40k-lore-chat

[terse flume]

like, if you ever model the emperor as anything other than "human" he reads as incredibly horrifying very quickly

[pine wedge]

it's pretty funny that big emps let the whole DAoT sorta... happen

[terse flume]

like maybe he legit couldn't stop it

it sort of seems like he needed to wait for humanity to be weak until he could grab total control

[storm jungle]

Hes basically suppose to be a Dr Manhattan-tier genius that is always forced to make bad and stupid decisions that make no sense because the Heresy has to happen.

the authors also lazily make excuses for his action in later HH novels because most of his decisions are very stupid and glaring.

[pine wedge]

the same Dr Manhattan that was outsmarted by Ozymandias because his distorted (or enhanced) perception of reality blinded him to things that were going on right under his nose?

[storm jungle]

Yeah because that makes sense.

the Emperor meanwhile goes:

"I wont tell my sons about the webway project"

"Im not gonna rescue angron's friends"

"Im gonna outlaw psykers"

"Im not gonna explain magnus his purpose in the webway project"

"Im not gonna explain to my sons what chaos is"

its bad writing all the way down

[silver pollen]

Still think, that knife-ears have no real competition in this discipline. Noone else murderfucked into existence goddamn chaos God and destroyed unknown number of civilization by warp-storms happening as a side effect.

[storm jungle]

The Great Rift kinda says otherwise

[terse flume]

was dr manhatten tricked? he gets his future sight scrambled cause of plot device but he never does anything he didn't want to, ever

[forest orbit]

And humanity is still way worse

[green loom]

Well the imperium just hugely empowered said chaos gods and also decimated virtually all human civilizations that weren't the imperium and a massive number of alien ones along the way

[forest orbit]

victim blaming is good and all sure but the Imperium has doomed the galaxy more than any other race

[forest orbit]

also this too

Its literally Abaddon who fucked the galaxy a new hole lol

[silver pollen]

Humanity has to deal with the shit they inherited from eldars.

[storm jungle]

Literally what

Slaanesh?

[terse flume]

right there is at least one group of people who also had an empror and space empire and our emperor just fucking crushed him

[green loom]

I mean they do make deals with them

[forest orbit]

Humanity's problems are majorily their own lol

[terse flume]

so like, it is possible if not plausible that the imperium literally isn't earth, and is instead is usurping the legitimate "earth" outcropping

who knows

[pine wedge]

I always read the Emperor as being really powerful more than anything else, with the longevity and focus to collect massive amounts of knowledge and expertise in various scientific domains, and to devise long-term schemes for humanity's future, but not really smart in that he always makes the right decisions, especially when it comes to engaging with other people like the Primarchs.

[terse flume]

he's very stupid

[pine wedge]

he's very flawed in some ways, but I don't think that inherently makes him poorly written?

[storm jungle]

He's powerful but that still doesn't stop him from being a bad characte.r

like a lot of the fandom agrees this is an issue

because he gets shared between like...

6 authors i think?

[silver pollen]

Oh, sorry that Humanity didn't follow the plan of Cabal to die and let the Dark Four starve...

[forest orbit]

Who said anything about the cabal

lmao

You just dont really wanna accept that the Imperium is its own worst enemy

[terse flume]

like you can frame this as arrogance or as poor emotional intelligence, but like factually he makes decisions that are bad, a lot

[forest orbit]

blaming aliens kinda falls short after a point

[terse flume]

to his stated goals

[storm jungle]

This, yes.

Hes an interesting character but handled very badly.

because a normal guy cant really write what is basically a god

especially under plot restrictins like the Heresy

[pine wedge]

it intuitively makes sense to me that a transhuman entity that feels like the future of mankind rests on his shoulders and his alone eventually makes the wrong decisions when it comes to trusting people with knowledge. he is deeply secretive, and that quality probably served him very well during other massively long stretches of his life.

[queen laurel]

if your most logical approach to your son venerating you into a god was to blow everything up you're not smart

[silver pollen]

Humanity was decimated by Long Night. It never actually recovered despite all the Emp's efforts. Whom should we thank for Long Night?

[forest orbit]

...

The eldar didnt make the long night

LOL

Psykers popping up was entirely due the necrons and the old ones and the war in heaven

Since their stupid boomer war distrupted the Warp to what it is now

But also again like, the Imperium is still horrible and perpetuates this issue

[green loom]

Idk those advanced civilizations that the GC wiped the floor with seem to suggest things were going to recover

[forest orbit]

^

There were many pocket human societies that were doing fine

Im sure you wouldnt think like this if space marines came and slaughtered your entire civilization

its easy to say all this as an outsider lol

[storm jungle]

I forgot about Monarchia 💀

[pine wedge]

okay, but what's wrong with him being not smart? is he supposed to be smart? from a scientific and technological point of view, surely, or when it comes to his ability to memorize, recall, think ahead, plan, delegate, organize, etc. but I don't think the Emperor is a bad character because he has bad judgement. that's his fatal flaw, he made very crucially wrong decisions and caused a lot of problems.

[silver pollen]

Warp storms signifying the birth of Slaanesh which completely eliminated ANY hope of interstellar logistics or just information exchange - ringing any bells? Humanity may have recovered even after MoI rebellion if not this.

[forest orbit]

Slaanesh's birth blew away the warpstorms

[queen laurel]

i'm not asking him super smart I just want him to have damn common sense

[pine wedge]

if he was actually infallible I would find him way less interesting.

[forest orbit]

thats literally in the lore my guy

[queen laurel]

Like a good chunk of his problems would have disappeared if he had common sense

[pine wedge]

right, but he's not common

so he doesn't have common sense

[forest orbit]

Big E launched the great crusade right after it lol

[pine wedge]

he has extraordinary transhuman sense that only makes sense to him

his problem is that the people he works with, or creates, cannot possibly have the same perspective and incredible long-view that he does.

which he never fully grasps.

I think it's tight.

[terse flume]

you say stupid baby boomer, the emperor would have been like, what, 6000 years old right now? and would have lived at least somewhat comfortably with humanity for that duration. he's not like, some cool rebel presumably he's a lot closer to a warlord in most of these periods

[forest orbit]

NOOO-

[silver pollen]

But "breeding" was what actually started the storms.

[forest orbit]

No lol

The warpstorms happened before it

[silver pollen]

Just out of blue?

[forest orbit]

Yes lmao

theres literally no lore explanation for why the psykers started popping up

[green loom]

Isn't it confirmed he was Alexander in one of the newer siege books?

[terse flume]

the empire factually too big. that it immediately became unsustainable without the warp wasn't some abstract failure of the warp gods it was cause it couldn't be sustained without Faster Than Light But Also Your Dead Grandmother Screaming

[forest orbit]

Yeah it is

[pine wedge]

oh yeah. now this is bad writing.

[forest orbit]

LOL

[pine wedge]

because we do in fact know what alexander's personality was like and it's very incongruent with a man who was already alive for several thousand years by that point.

[forest orbit]

Yeah the novel literally has Horus describing how the Emperor told him he was Alexander and the entire part about how he knelt and wept at there being no more stuff to conquer before realising that

as any sane person

he can conquer SPACE

[terse flume]

we put out a bunch of colonies we absolutely could not sustain, demonstratably, and within like four generations of the transport technology a solid half of them had regressed so far that humans started fuckin ogrifying

[forest orbit]

yeah Dark Age of Technology humanity also werent saints either

[terse flume]

that's not like, the blessed light of humanity that's a land grab

[forest orbit]

yep

[pine wedge]

the more people try to shoehorn him into human history or crystallize what kind of person he was before he began the unification wars, the worse his writing gets for sure.

[forest orbit]

Its just very cringe

like just let him be his own character

[storm jungle]

The novel in general is also kinda weird because it references Big E making cave paintings?

Even though he was born as a Hittite?

so beats me

[green loom]

Maybe painting was his hobby

[storm jungle]

Being such a shit painter that you can only do cave paintings?

hes literally me

[pine wedge]

LOL

[pine wedge]

it DOES? omg

[green loom]

Same

[storm jungle]

YES LMAO

[pine wedge]

that's so dumb uuhgughuhuguhgh

[storm jungle]

its literally the fucking opening chapter

ITS SO wanky

[terse flume]

i kind of like that he's repeatedly tried and failed to conquer humanity, that's pretty funny tbh

[green loom]

NOW You're speaking his language

[pine wedge]

but like

[storm jungle]

Yeah the Emperor is a cool character that gets hit with the author-bat

[pine wedge]

did his psychic powers take thousands of years to fully manifest or what

why did he try to conquer the world as Alexander

a demonstrably non-magical man

[terse flume]

which like, tracks however dumbass powerful he was and how often it's implied oh i could have taken over i just needed to wait until everything was so impossibly fucked i became indispensable

maybe he straight up couldn't

[storm jungle]

So basically its not fully explained but even when he was a child he raised his hand and made his uncle (who murdered his father) heart stop.

I think he mostly kept his powers in check so that he wouldn't be too glaring.

AND the novel also confirms that he can biomance and be a man or a woman

so he could have basically looked like anything

[green loom]

B-booba

[pine wedge]

that part I am fine with

[storm jungle]

Yeee it makes sense

[pine wedge]

that Revelation short story also had him change his appearance and shit, that's old lore idgaf.

[silver pollen]

It kinda weird considering the fact he is the "MOTHERFUCKING EMPEROR". Assuming, he was playing the silent watcher show, deviating from it occasionally when certain dragon had to be contained, made more sense.

[storm jungle]

The entire silent watcher thing is semi-old lore

[terse flume]

maybe before the psykers awakened humans were more resistant to psykers? tau are naturally a little resistant right

[storm jungle]

Its what was set up before the authors started putting him in historical events.

Ollanius Pious is way worse.

He uh participated in

[pine wedge]

oh RIGHT

[storm jungle]

• The argonauts from greek myth

[green loom]

They aren't resistant

[storm jungle]

• WW1

• WW2

• Gulf War

• Vietnam War

etc

lmao

[terse flume]

i thought they had like, very low grade warp resistanc

cause they can't make psykers themselves

[green loom]

No, they have minimal warp presence

[pine wedge]

"The Tower of Babel was actually an Enuncia tower and then Olly boy stabbed the Emperor and ran away" is also the most UNHINGED concept

what is happening

in these newer novels

[storm jungle]

OH MY GOD FUCKING- STOP

WHY DID YOU REMIND ME OF THAT

LMAO

[green loom]

What's Enuncia

[storm jungle]

a secret language that can erase people from existence

[silver pollen]

Well, that is actually curious one.

[queen laurel]

Words of power in warhammer 40K

Like in Skyrim but better

[storm jungle]

^ what bulgur said

[pine wedge]

Enuncia is like this reality-warping language that Dan Abnett made up for the Ravenor novels

and now 20 years later it's also part of Ancient Terra lore

??

[storm jungle]

Yeah its literally Dragon-Shout

[green loom]

Oh is it like the Voice from Dun

[storm jungle]

No like

its literally the dragonborn shout

it wipes you from existence

lmao

[green loom]

Funny

How do you make a tower out of it

[pine wedge]

well it was a tower enscribed with Enuncia

[green loom]

How do you enscribe it with enuncia without it deleting itself

[silver pollen]

It is that powerful that attempting to talk in it may just kill you as well.

[pine wedge]

ehhmmmm

??

idk man

[storm jungle]

Abnett does that a lot.

He basically has ultimate authority over the novels he writes so he can just do whatever. A lot of the Siege stuff he wrote has stuff he's using as a setup for the next Bequin book once he's done with the Siege

[green loom]

Bequin is Valdor's long lost daughter

[forest orbit]

staaaaaaph

pls

[terse flume]

like it doesn't matter if it's stupid the setting is stupid, i want good stupid. i want stupid that enables interesting ideas, i want fucking stupid, not fucking, stupid

[green loom]

That he had with that head SoS lady that dies in the siege

[silver pollen]

Maybe because it has power when actually said aloud?

Don't remember already.

[storm jungle]

Enuncia is one of the dumbest mcguffins i nthe setting yeah

literally nobody but Abett uses it lmao

[green loom]

Fitting it comes from a Marvel writer

[storm jungle]

LMAO

wow

rude but true

[forest orbit]

^

[terse flume]

oh what did he write?

[green loom]

He made the cancerverse lol, so it's pretty in line with stupid eldritch stuff

[silver pollen]

That's why I like orks. They are just fun, period.

[forest orbit]

Abnett was one of the guys behind the creation of the Guardians of the Galaxy

hes a big shot

[terse flume]

what the 70s comic?

[forest orbit]

Yeah its literal first itteration

[terse flume]

how old is he

[pine wedge]

but it's meant to be a play on the old "humans spoke one language cooperated to build a tower to heaven and God saw it and said "shiiieeet you mfers cant come up here, BOOM now you all speak different languages go fight or smth" and then they did" Tower of Babel myth but instead of them building a tower to heaven while speaking one language, it was the Cognitae Chaos Cult building a Tower inscribed in the One True Langauge and Emps -- who was also a warlord at this nebulous point in ancient history time, btw -- fought the Cognitae to reach it and then was like "woah. we should preserve this, it might be useful." and Olly boy who was his general said "bruh are you fr rn? no cap? that's dumb bruh you're evil for this on god." and destroyed the Tower... I think using Enuncia? and ran away.

[storm jungle]

Yeah its religious references all the way down lmao

[queen laurel]

If I say something like this ┍▍Ϻ ƵϺЩ Ħ┍ЦЦᕓ▍ ԖΛϺ ƓƼᕓ ﬦƵ▍ⴿ I could theoretically send someone and burn them in the warp

[terse flume]

or do you mean the film revival

[storm jungle]

also Oll just being a Not-Judas

[storm jungle]

He means the literal first appearance aka the comic

Abnett is the definition of a boomer-nerd

in both good and bad ways

He also wrote grimdark comics like this

hes been around

[terse flume]

i don't think that can be right, he was born in 1965

[queen laurel]

oh god, what if huh

[queen laurel]

Look at this thing it looks like me after I finished eating my food in the basement

[green loom]

Danny boi also does funny stuff when he writes marines

[pine wedge]

in the Ravenor novels, Abnett establishes that you need a massive network of cogitators working in concert to write massive amounts of random garbage and occassionally they will spit out a word of Enuncia, which is then recorded in the Bad Guy's attempts to build a lexicon of it. pretty cool stuff, didn't mind it.

[terse flume]

yeah i think i figured it out

[pine wedge]

but now, ancient humanity somehow knew Enuncia?

like wtf dawg?

HOW?

[green loom]

Like how the Iron Snakes Chapter Master is Primarch sized

[storm jungle]

Also Tower of Babel because why not

[terse flume]

he was on the ground floor of the 2008 GOTG rvival

[green loom]

out of armour

[storm jungle]

AH that one yeah

i think that re-run was what made them mainstream again

[terse flume]

yeah it was either just before or alongside the movie

which like

it is fucking weird that film got made full stop

[storm jungle]

Yeee because before that comic run and movie NOBODY know who the fuck these guys were.

now they are literal superhero icons

[green loom]

Didn't that movie destroy the Nova corps lol

[storm jungle]

Uhhhh I uhhh

they got better?

[green loom]

No I mean

Their main guy was a Sandler movie extra

[storm jungle]

oh lmao

[green loom]

And all they had was crappy starfighters

[terse flume]

...how can they tell does it explode the servitor, lol

[pine wedge]

I forget how

[storm jungle]

Those novels are a trip

[pine wedge]

but yeah

I think so

[terse flume]

how can they differentiate like just infinite monkeys thing

[pine wedge]

if a cogitator stumbles upon a real word of Enuncia something fucky wucky happens

[queen laurel]

Doesn't Enuncia if not speaking properly literally destroy the source of it

Like literally just trying to speak the thing would break your mouth

[pine wedge]

it was really hard to read, or remember, or use. one of the baddies uses one word of it in combat at some point, to devastating effect but it also instantly causes him to bleed out of his mouth

[storm jungle]

Yeah the books are weird

[pine wedge]

iirc

I mean I thought it was dope

[storm jungle]

especially since like.. I THINK its been almost 10 IRL years since first Bequin novel?

[pine wedge]

but it should've just stayed in those Ravenor novels lol

[storm jungle]

LOL

too late now 💀

[pine wedge]

Abnett is like George Lucas

[storm jungle]

the fact that Abnett made it bleed into Siege is really funny tho

[pine wedge]

he needs someone to tell him "dawg you can't do that. this is dumb. stop trying to make it a thing."

[storm jungle]

OH MY GOD HE IS

the problem is

just like Lucas

[green loom]

Does he also rhyme

[storm jungle]

Abnett is the boss

[pine wedge]

yeah Abnett became too important and venerated

so nobody tells him "no"

[storm jungle]

we are getting 3 Part finale novels because he literally and I quote

"Wrote too much for one book"

...what the hell are your editors for then?

[green loom]

And you get lynched by the average fan if you dislike him

[storm jungle]

[pine wedge]

WHERE is the editor to stop him

yeah lol

[storm jungle]

YEP

I guess they just cant

I like Abnett but he legit drags shit out way too much sometimes.

[pine wedge]

I remember he specifically thanked the people of the "Editors Militant" of Black Library in his old novels

and now I see why

he neeeeeeds these people

[green loom]

Like I liked Horus Rising as much as the next guy

[queen laurel]

He looks like George Lucas got hit with a Thunder hammer on the face way too much

[storm jungle]

Lmao noooo

[green loom]

He

He's just bald Lucas

[pine wedge]

Horus Rising was so good that Galaxy in Flames gave me massive whiplash the first time I tried to read it and I stopped.

[green loom]

Needs a striped shirt

[storm jungle]

hes not a bad guy, hes just a doofus sometimes

[green loom]

I liked Great Work more

Now I want to dig into the Cato books

Because it's apparently one of like 5 books Kyme didn't ruin

[pine wedge]

Fatshark said "no we can't put Enuncia into Darktide" and that's why he only did the basic worldbuilding.

true facts.

[green loom]

He probably would've tbh

[storm jungle]

Just make the psyker's ability explode people and we are done

[green loom]

enuncia dn

[silver pollen]

Rannik engaging in the Enuncia battle with the traitor in the final cutscene would have been fun. Like both are missing and purverising random people around.

[shadow plover]

Goddamn they're cooking with the new Pariah show

[queen laurel]

it's actually good?

[shadow plover]

only two episodes thus far but yes

[queen laurel]

Well time to see what I think about it

[storm jungle]

Its pretty good

because its made by an actual animation studio lmao

[queen laurel]

Yeah it has the same quality as this

[storm jungle]

Yeee same team iirc

because these guys are hte 9th edition trailer ones also

[queen laurel]

i would love to see them interpret the other factions

[storm jungle]

same

[shadow plover]

I'm most surprised/pleased that the faces look actually very good

space marines have a slightly silly tabletop look to them though

[queen laurel]

Yeah the studio takes on the tabletop appearance a lot, which can be a bad thing at times but hey props for accuracy

[shadow plover]

as in the armour/bodies, not their faces, those are still great

[green loom]

They reuse the DK models from this

[queen laurel]

I mean GW probably told them just use it

[green loom]

They probably would've used it anyway

They have a fully rigged model, why not use it

[queen laurel]

That is true

[shadow plover]

https://imgur.com/a/b6cpTx3

[queen laurel]

oh damn

[normal light]

Oh no cringers die

[storm jungle]

A chapter I like killing Krieg?

Its like Christmas

[queen laurel]

ohh yeah dilara speaking off, I just got done reading brutal cunning and seeing the actual tech priests on the book

They had more than sufficient supplies I'm pushing the green skins but holy hell

Watching them flail around like a ******* kid is painful

[storm jungle]

YEP

its all on purpose lol

[queen laurel]

Why would you try to use logic and thinking on an enemy that their entire point is defying logic

[storm jungle]

Certified Neil Degrasse Tyson Moment

[queen laurel]

Also Zaefa and Mitranda Goated

And apparently I misjudged the Titan the orks had is a mega gargant

Which explained why it was quite the bitch to take down

[green loom]

Don't the good priests make it off the world

By good I mean the not incompetent ones

[queen laurel]

Yes that was the good part

But surprisingly the ones that were left put up a decent fight against Ulfthak and Badrukk

[tawdry escarp]

They finally put up the second episode of Pariah Nexus?

The Marine in it is a Salamander? Very nice

[winter vessel]

My understanding of the Necrons is a bit rusty. In the first ep, what's the deal with those Guardsmen acting all zombie like after the Necron Deathmark shot em?

[green loom]

Necrons can Mind shackle people with scarabs

Also

per the namesake

It's in the Pariah Nexus

Which can turn regular humans "hollow"

[frosty stag]

Is warhammer supposed to be like “oh everyone is so overpowered so no one is”?

[green loom]

Sort of kinda maybe

[queen laurel]

Kinda

[tawdry escarp]

Power levels are relative to what need to happen narratively

[queen laurel]

On most times it is fairly even but the every faction does have something to pull out of the arse

[frosty stag]

Cuz istg ill learn something new about a faction and its always like “erm they could just delete a planet because they were feeling whimsical”

[winter vessel]

Hmm, I knew of scarabs, didn't know there were other variants. I just thought it was all breaking down organic and non-organic matter rapidly.

[green loom]

The factions mcguffins and powers serve the narrative, and are thus entirely tied to what the author wants to do

[queen laurel]

Necrons had the celestial orrery so

[frosty stag]

Lol exactly

[green loom]

A marine can be as strong as 40 orks or weaker than one depending on who's writing

[frosty stag]

Also depends on the ork

[queen laurel]

The avatar of khaine can be a god of destruction or can be defeated by being kicked in the nuts

[frosty stag]

Aint gazgoul like 90% krork or something

[queen laurel]

He's nearing semi krork level

You know like the beast

[frosty stag]

Oh yeah i forgor about him

[tawdry escarp]

You can't forget that sometimes a character will get the special power of Video Game Protagonist

[frosty stag]

Ah true

[queen laurel]

The space marine has no helmet
Has a name

Yeah we got it

[frosty stag]

If space marine 2 electric boogaloo don’t have me doom kill a hive tyrant i dont want it

[tawdry escarp]

Like Titus or Malum Caedo

[queen laurel]

Malum caedo is just incredibly high on crack

[tawdry escarp]

Or what's his face from Dawn of War

Gabriel?

[queen laurel]

Gabriel angelos chapter master of the blood ravens?

[tawdry escarp]

That's the one

[remote widget]

"This device was made by people with a far greater understanding of science than we have.
Not one person I've met can decide exactly what it was made for. Yet if you look at it, it is simple, a spring loaded arm, no spring now, but that's what it was.
A proto plastic disk to take something, perhaps A larger disk. And I think this took a protective material, some kind of felt maybe, and this took a motor, I'm sure, perhaps this hole here took a lens of some kind'

That's a record player, an old one, right?

[frosty stag]

Lmao

They have power armor

[crystal forum]

proto plastic does sound like vinyl

[frosty stag]

But our record player is soooo much more advanced

[crystal forum]

also i'd say it's more a case of everything being over the top. a bolter shoots explosive rocket propelled ammunition that will blow fist sized holes in you. That's not even considered an especially powerful weapon in the setting

[frosty stag]

Ok yeah good point

[green loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBgXH7eyRo4&ab_channel=DawnofWar

[crystal forum]

the only "weak" army is something like the astra militarum but even they have insanely powerful named characters like Gaunt and Ciaphas Cain

[green loom]

This intro looks weirdly good

[crystal forum]

the bolters sound pretty off but that dreadnought autocannon is pretty sick

[green loom]

The normal voice marines are also funny

[crystal forum]

yeah that battle cry was weird as hell

is that the audio clip that alpha busa used for sly marbo screaming?

[green loom]

Yea

[crystal forum]

https://youtu.be/HtNnrcl1vV4?si=Ad442he0FNhRoSM0

lmao

it's so funny that miniguns in video games and movies always shoot slower than in real life.

sometimes real life is crazier than fiction

[queen laurel]

Bro sometimes social media is wild

[echo vault]

This looks cool for the thunder hawk interior

[crystal forum]

would be nice if GW created an armour variant for vehicle crew

the normal armour looks so cumbersome in a cockpit

although i like the detail that they can plug their armour in the seats so the thunderhawk powers them

[normal light]

F*ck use Space Marine Sized Coveralls

[crystal forum]

i would pay so much money for space marines in tank tops

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/topgun-highfive-top-gun-tomcruise-gif-4902246

[normal light]

Or maybe they will make Grot Guard Some Day

[normal light]

Actual Grot Guard

[green loom]

On it

[crystal forum]

[frosty stag]

How many tomb worlds are there/have been found

[celest dome]

As many as the plot demand

[arctic talon]

There’s a map of all necron tomb@worlds

And it’s like

A good 60% of the galaxy lol

[frosty stag]

Oh neato

[arctic talon]

It’s in one of the necron codex’s

[celest dome]

Wasn't it all active Necron Tomb Worlds ? And that many world weren't yet uncovered

[storm jungle]

Yeah nah its just the big famous dynasties

[celest dome]

So still remain "As many as the plot demand" ?

[storm jungle]

Pretty much

dynasties exist so that you can homebrew

[celest dome]

Still hope we get Mommy Flayer Dynastie

[storm jungle]

lmao

[normal light]

No

Stop it

Right now

🦀

[celest dome]

Fan made model

[crystal forum]

am i the only one that sometimes falls into GW rabbit holes when looking for models to buy

i was looking at the made to order terrain pieces available in the store right now

and holy shit

i looked up to see if there's more types of modular terrain like walls of martyrs

look at that shit

[near wasp]

@storm jungle bless me with your dawn of fire review pls. Im thinking about reading it

[crystal forum]

i NEED to make something like this for my valhallans

[storm jungle]

For the ones you arent gonna read suggest looking up Shaskais on reddit, he does a good breakdown/explanation of these books

[near wasp]

The emperor smiles on you blessed saint

[storm jungle]

[crystal forum]

is this not the coolest shit ever?

[storm jungle]

its a battery with an eagle

seen better

[shadow plover]

pretty rare too to find one

[crystal forum]

yeah people selling them for insane prices on ebay

i cant believe GW doest make this sort of modular stuff anymore

[shadow plover]

doesn't sell well enough I recon

but well most of the terrain they make nowadays is very well made modular stuff

like the necromunda stuff

that shit is great

I bought the starter set just for the terrain

well mostly

[near wasp]

3d printed terrain go brrrrrrrrr

[crystal forum]

you think i havent tried? nobody makes models for this stuff

sometimes models are so old and expensive that nobody can make accurate proxies

[near wasp]

Learn a 3d modelling program and make terrain yourself

[crystal forum]

i'd need the model if i wanted to recreate it

and anyways where i was going with this is im now researching WW2 soviet defensive doctrine

for my valhallans

[normal light]

Trench

[crystal forum]

it's a bit more complicated than that

[normal light]

Under and over trenches

[normal light]

I know

Trenches and artillery

[crystal forum]

soviets apparently had this idea of "fortified districts"

they had a massive country to defend so they smartly decided to not do it like the maginot line

[normal light]

You mean trenches or cities

[normal light]

It’s called a resistance point and was used in WW1 but on smaller scale

[crystal forum]

no it's like a group of bunkers with overlapping fire spread out in a line over the country. in between the bunkers there would be mine fields and shit so the enemy would be funnelled into fire zones

[normal light]

Resistance Points as I said

[crystal forum]

"fortified districts" are a uniquely soviet thing is what im telling you

[normal light]

By that you mean cities or trench strongholds?

[crystal forum]

neither. it's a soviet term

it means its own specific thing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortified_district

[normal light]

I know it I am trying to understand what you mean by it

[crystal forum]

im still trying to understand it but it sounds pretty cool

im currently reading the russian wikipedia page for it

[normal light]

Because in later soviet doctrines such things were called Strongholds

And they were Infantry Squad Sized and more

Platoon Sized

[crystal forum]

interesting

[normal light]

But more accurately they were called Command-Reconnaissance Point

And it was just a trench with firing positions and hideouts for infantry

[normal light]

Also positions for armoured vehicles

[crystal forum]

i think the fortified districts were exactly that but more permanent

more bunkers than trenches

they were made to be manned by as little infantry as possible

something the french probably should have done too

[normal light]

Every one done it

It’s genius plans after WW1

[crystal forum]

i remember learning that the maginot line was undermanned at the start of the war though

[normal light]

To maintain defence with little as possible

[normal light]

Soviet had one , French one

Germans had one

[arctic talon]

It was

[normal light]

That what I was talking about

[arctic talon]

Now granted it still wouldn’t have worked

But it was undermanned

[storm jungle]

yeah uh

post-WW2 kinda showed

the soviet military was dogshit

[crystal forum]

idk i could adapt this to valhallans

[normal light]

Well they had some point about it

[crystal forum]

these sorts of defenses are made to minimize manpower

[normal light]

Mass of Armoured Vehicles

[crystal forum]

yeah but that's not what valhallans are known for

[normal light]

And Arty

[crystal forum]

arty yes

[storm jungle]

Valhallans basically have no lore aside from

• Hate orks

• Human wave tactics because Enemy at Gates

[crystal forum]

i'll probaby print a shit ton of artillery pieces

[normal light]

Sorry but if you are going to maintain just Infantry and Arty

You wouldn’t go far away

[arctic talon]

The funny named character I forgot the name of that was lowkey racist

[storm jungle]

Yeah it was

the Valhallans are not actual soviets

[normal light]

It would be infantry mounted on tanks

[storm jungle]

they are Enemy at the Gates soviets

[storm jungle]

still cringe

[arctic talon]

What was his name

Commander like

[storm jungle]

Chenkov

lmao

[arctic talon]

💀

[storm jungle]

aka the guy that would be dead

in like a week

[normal light]

Well not so much it has some point

[arctic talon]

Yeah and his glorious strategy of

Sending more people

Into the meat grinder

[storm jungle]

Kinda

[crystal forum]

enemies at the gate acting like the red army went to war with pitchforks

[storm jungle]

Yeah the human wave parts of that movie was just lol

[arctic talon]

I do not like Chenkov because it’s pretty offensive lol

Something something Soviet general does nothing but send people to die

[normal light]

For WW2 where there was no IFVis and BTR wasn’t a thing they would usually mount infantry on T-34’s

[arctic talon]

And literally bury people in bodies

[crystal forum]

it's sad because a western adaptation of the eastern front would be awesome if done right

[normal light]

Still it was just a slaughter house

[arctic talon]

Also that time where on the tabletop he could order cadian children to go die

[normal light]

[arctic talon]

Funniest fucking rules oversight ever

[normal light]

Cadian approved

[crystal forum]

so i guess if i want to create valhallan defensive terrain i'll need to build it as pockets of bunkers

[normal light]

You don’t have to

You can build it as Strongholds made out of trenches

And firing positions

[crystal forum]

very true

trenches could let me disperse the infantry

i just dont want it to favor defenders too much

[normal light]

Meaning?

[arctic talon]

Tbh narrative terrain can benefit a defender

[crystal forum]

like if i play with somebody and my defenses are way too strong or something

[arctic talon]

Usually people just use a “even” terrain layout

[crystal forum]

i want it to be fun ya know

[arctic talon]

But it depends

[normal light]

Bunkers are stronger then trenches

[crystal forum]

ye

[celest dome]

Bunker are also take more time to make

[normal light]

So defender benefits more from bunker then trench

[normal light]

True

[crystal forum]

i also really want to try making flak towers

even though that's a german thing

they're just so badass

first i need to finish painting my space marines 😤

[native charm]

Ahh Chenkov lol

Can't dislodge the enemy from a hive city? Poison the water supply with the millions of bodies of your own troops!

Iron Warriors and Nurgle are both laughing

[green loom]

God DAMN

Pariah Nexus looks nice

The only weird part, once again, is the space marines

[nocturne crest]

So do you think they'll give the LoV land trains?

[queen laurel]

Too bad I don't have the money for warhammer plus

[storm jungle]

Their "land trains" atm are the land-fortresses

[queen laurel]

i can't wait to see their Titan equivalent or Titan equivalent in super weapons

[storm jungle]

hopefully some day

[queen laurel]

yeah I'm really excited

[crystal forum]

something like a giant mining machine

with huge rock grinders

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah, that's good

[hallow saddle]

No, however I wouldn't be surprised if Necromunda squats get one for the ash wastes

[idle phoenix]

Do psykers who get recruited into the GKs focus on one form of magic, or can they specialize in diff things?

I know librarians do a lot of teleporty/ground kinetic/smite-y abilities, but was there ever one who went into pyromancy

[native charm]

Btw are Votanns still canon? Or were they written off like beast abhumans?

[tawdry mist]

question for the lore wizards

why is the average citizen fearful/bigoted against psykers when the big man emperor himself is one of the strongest psykers in existence

is it not well known he's like that?

[tawdry escarp]

Because Big E's powers are seen as Divine Power not Psykic

[near wasp]

Because hes a god and god can have cool powers

[storm jungle]

They do basic psychic acts but their librarians tend to have the more wizardy stuff, your basic grey knights just tend to do stuff like using psychic-weapons that have no triggers etc

[storm jungle]

They are still canon, they literally just got an army

[forest orbit]

Because the Imperium is a backwards religious fascist nightmare and nothing they do is suppose to make sense and is instead bigoted and harms themselves at the end of the day.

Psykers are one such example, they are dangerous but are also never given any better treatment aside from what is basically slave-servitude as battle-mages or death

[plush mason]

so is there a minimum size requirement for an imperial warship to be able to preform exterminatus?

[arctic talon]

Light Crusier and up

[plush mason]

wow

thats. a lot of ships that can do it

light crusier aint exactly a big class of ship size wise

[arctic talon]

Not all of them carry the payload for it

But light crusiers can carry them out if they have it

[plush mason]

the tractored asteroids one i assume?

[arctic talon]

Ironicially this is looked down upon but yes

That is a method

By that technicality like 4 or 5 escorts can perform exterminatus

[plush mason]

lol

[storm jungle]

Loose Cannon also jokes about this ingame because asteroid based planet destruction is really smart lol

[arctic talon]

It is really smart

But the imperium is stupid

[plush mason]

worked in star wars lol

turned Mandalor into a wasteland

[storm jungle]

yeah like you literally waste nothing doing it either

[plush mason]

which is likely why the imperium hates it lol

not wasting as much as they can is axiom to most of the imperium

[remote widget]

The exact opposite

You're wasting a planet

Exterminatus can be fixed, and is . The fires die out, the virus bombs are cured, the planet is seeded with cellular life and air processors, and it's re settled, in biodomes to start, but planetfall can crack a planet like cadia, and leave it worthless. Cawl even started doing it on sotha

[plush mason]

this just makes me think of the water cartels in hive cities lol

[winter vessel]

It’ll still taste like someone put a nickel in the bottle

[plush mason]

if your lucky

[arctic talon]

if I had a nickle for everytime Mandalore was supposed to get sent back to the fucking stone age I'd have 4 nickles

which isn't a lot but its funny its happened 4 separate times and was deserved 3 of those 4 times

[plush mason]

Mandalorians dont fuck around ok

says a lot about them that it took 4 different glassings to get them to stop

[winter vessel]

You cut them, burn them, blast them, and vaporize them. But you damn well can't kill em. "We're a culture. We're an idea. And you can't kill ideas—but we certainly can kill you."-Ranah Teh Naast, Mandalore the Destroyer.

[plush mason]

yup

[winter vessel]

#1 favorite faction. Followed by the Clones and then the Light Jedi and Sith. used to know a little bit of Mando'a back in my teen years.

[crystal forum]

boil them, mash them, put them in a stew

[plush mason]

was Jango ever actually a fett?

[winter vessel]

"lovely big golden chips with a nice piece of fried fish."-allegedly fat Hobbit.

[winter vessel]

It's the clan he was born into. Jaster Mereel of the True Mandalorians served as a surrogate father to Jango after the boy lost his family, but he never formally adopted him as an heir to take on the surname Mereel.

[plush mason]

so he was a Mandalorian

just not one that followed the traditional code

[winter vessel]

Basically. He left it to live the life of a bounty hunter, which was a common habit Mandalorians took after the end of the Crusades and their defeat from Revan way back when. Legends and Canon managed to write in the fact that Jango was a participant of the Civil Wars, i.e True Mandalorians and Death Watch, belonging to the former.

If you watched S2 of the Mandalorian, Boba shows the chain code thats been written into the armor that entails the identity and background of the wearer(His father).

[tawdry escarp]

Legends had some great stuff in it

When did Exterminatus become such a meme? It's the absolute Last Resort

I've read and seen a lot of sci Fi where that kind of orbital bombardment is considered a war crime

Except for the Covenant. Covenant don't give a fuck

Glassing is standard procedure for them

[green loom]

Was a 1d4chan meme+kryptmann+TTS making it popular

It started self perpetuating after

[tawdry escarp]

I should have known 4chan and TTS were involved

[arctic talon]

They still didn’t stop after the 4th one

[plush mason]

true

[arctic talon]

Their culture is literally built to survive

It’s also absolutely batshit insane

[tawdry escarp]

The embodiment of 'I didn't hear no bell'

[green loom]

No it's more like

https://youtu.be/ZmInkxbvlCs?si=fHc7jJFZ5sTtn3a5

Killing Mandalorians is almost as satisfying as killing Death Korps

[arctic talon]

More like “I heard the bell but I’m going to come back next year”

[native charm]

Digressing from lore, but seeing all this Mandalorian talk. Y'know what game I would love to see remade? SW:Bounty Hunter

[sullen cape]

to shelter is to pray . albert spree (?). built by todd ogrinzation, also revered to as catheral of artillary. if you want to build a model one of those would recommand johnathan mead's bunker brutalisam and bloody mindess and jerry building. provide good insight on the architectural and social/polticl history of those building and their constructions.

[crystal forum]

huh it's rare to see somebody praise brutalism for once

flak towers arent brutalist though

they're literally bunkers made for war

fun fact: germany tried demolishing all the flak towers in berlin after WW2 but explosives couldn't even crack the exterior

so they converted most of them to civilian uses. one of them serves as a radio broadcasting center i think and another serves as a night club

[queen laurel]

The souls of the old soldiers watching as someone party on their old station

[crystal forum]

I doubt there would be souls in there due to how effective they were at sheltering people. Some flak towers held out even after germany surrendered. The red army had no choice but to go around them

[queen laurel]

Hey that's something

[terse flume]

i mean, no choice, no incentive? they were usually full of civilians and the flak usually was either disabled or out of ammo by this point. what reason would they wanna take them instead of starving them out until they surrendered, which iirc they almost always did

like that's the paradox of fortification, even if you make a perfect shelter you are always going to be most limited by boring biological stuff

[crystal forum]

if i remember correctly the problem is that they were built specifically to block vital entries into inner berlin. i think a red army tank battalion had to do a large detour just to avoid them

soviets were trying to rush berlin as fast possible to end the war due to political reasons.

[terse flume]

i want to say some wound up surrendering under weirdly good terms to avoid starvation

[crystal forum]

yes supply shortage was what ended them

there were tens of thousands of civilians in some of them

[terse flume]

and i mean the western allies were also rushing to berlin broadly for postwar basically yalta conference reasons too, at that point central europe had kind of become a contest of chasing the collapse from both sides

[crystal forum]

berlin was a bit different though. everybody in the soviet union wanted to be the ones who had the honor of claiming the capital to get on stalin's good side

[near wasp]

Stalins good side, as if that even existed

[crystal forum]

this channel does a good job at showing how desperate the situation was https://youtu.be/bJ5IeOR0A2M?si=3TAnHiyGEqNv_Ix8

[normal light]

I miss good old IG conscripts

20 guys

Poorly armed and shooting like shit

But they can call arty on themselves via vox-radio

[crystal forum]

i hear they were broken

weird that GW cared since infantry only armies must have made them gazillions

[normal light]

How?

They shoot on 5+

Yes there are 20 of them in a squad BUT

[crystal forum]

i think you could just spam them really hard

[normal light]

They only had lasguns

[normal light]

That`s what IG is meant to do

[crystal forum]

idk im just saying what i heard

i wish i could spam infantry

[normal light]

I have an Idea for a guard army , just using mostly Tempestuses and Kasrkins

Like assault infantry

which they are

[crystal forum]

what's their lore inspiration?

[normal light]

Separate Assault Regiment (Real inspiration 3rd Separate Assault Brigade)

Conscript get in , get proper training and equipment (mainly how conduct assault action and little bit of defence)

[normal light]

And it`s work like this , this Regiments Battalion or Platoon assaults some enemy fortification

takes it if they are successful they stay there for some period of time and defende

while regular infantry on the way

Regular Infantry arrives , Stormtroopers handle their positions to Infantry and continue the cycle

[crystal forum]

do they recruit from cadians?

you mentioned karskin

[normal light]

Well in current lore there are no more such thing as Cadians (mostly)

[crystal forum]

oh they're still called cadians

they just live on other planets

[celest dome]

Yes but no, Cadian are still a culture that exist persay

[normal light]

I meant units from tabletop

In lore they may be just called Stormtroopers

[crystal forum]

so do you have any lore set up for your regiment yet

[normal light]

No , mostly and Idea

I had a lore set up for my mechanized regiment , but I stopped playing guard and currently trying to play Death Guard

[nocturne crest]

So apart from the Space marines loyalist/traitor, is there any other faction that use drop pods?

[normal light]

Orkz

They have Assault Moons

[normal light]

Asteroids equipped with propulsion systems

[crystal forum]

i think some titans land from orbit on things resembling drop pods

[celest dome]

Elysian

Though Elysian also drop freely out of space like the chad they are

[normal light]

Don`t they just send Valkaries in and them drop troops from them?

[celest dome]

Not always

[crystal forum]

damn i didn't think they dropped from orbit lol

i also thought they used smaller ships

[nocturne crest]

That's awesome. Why don't they get more love?

[celest dome]

Cause they aren't SM

[arctic talon]

because it was impossible to take objectives against a list of like 300 conscripts

and they could actually deal damage

bcs Whiteshields could receive orders

Conscripts got removed because of Whiteshields

and also because playing against them was pretty miserable in terms of actual gameplay

because its non interactive

it doesn't matter how bad they were on average at killing

when you could literally just tarpit your opponent from actually fucking moving

[normal light]

seems as reasonable tactic for me

[arctic talon]

this shit broke conscripts

[arctic talon]

Its not reasonable from a gameplay point of view because GW doesn't like uninteractive playstyles

the optimal list was just to max out on conscripts and spam MOVE MOVE MOVE so you could just keep your opponent locked in deployment

so they couldn't take any objectives or move

[normal light]

I just want see them back 😔

[arctic talon]

if they do come back

They're not gona be able to recive orders at all tbh

it was way too problamatic

30 conscript blobs were just too problematic when they could get orders

[normal light]

Maybe they could get orders if they have for example a comissar

[arctic talon]

letting them get orders 100% of the time broke them

[arctic talon]

That would still be absurdly strong is the thing

because 30 bodies going 12 inches a turn is crazy lol

[normal light]

Commie gives pretty shity orders (in 10th he doesn`t at all)

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah

but I still don't think conscripts if they come back should get orders

from a balancing pov

[normal light]

Like their only plus is that they are 30 men with 30 guns

[arctic talon]

then again move move move

isn't that strong anymore

since its just a 3" bonus now

[normal light]

and in melee like only 5-12 of them can fight

[arctic talon]

on the otherhand unless they're OC0 I could also see it being problamatic

[arctic talon]

its all 30 if they're base to base

[normal light]

because you can`t place all 30 models in 1" from enemy units

[normal light]

• only first base to base

others don`t fought as I remember

[arctic talon]

you can get a good 20

prolly more then 20 if you position well

with pile in

[normal light]

Nah 20 attacks with Close Combat Weapon with 3rd strenght is not so dangerous

[arctic talon]

I know this bcs I played against a nid player who consistantly got all 20 hormagaunts in melee

My point is still that you can just tar pit them

and they're points efficent

[normal light]

if we are speaking a Space Marines for example

[arctic talon]

its why Admech is taking the ironstriders

they're terrible at killing anything

but you can just block your opponets movement

for 50 points

them being lethal isn't an issue

its objective control and map control

[normal light]

Tar piting nurglings?

[arctic talon]

Nurglings are taken bcs they're fast + can tarpit yes

[crystal forum]

of course GW would make cadians OP

[arctic talon]

also nurglings are dangerous

[arctic talon]

tbh whiteshields was the only thing good about the Cadian suplement lol

and you needed like

200 conscripts

to run those lists

and most guard players don't have 200 fucking conscripts

[crystal forum]

why did they think removing the downsides of conscripts would be fair

[arctic talon]

[normal light]

[arctic talon]

askGW

The only realistic downside whiteshields had was like blast vulnerability and hitting on 5's

but like that doesn't really matter when your opponent can't play the game

its the same reason why GW killed eldar -1 to hit modifiers stacking

[crystal forum]

i just wish i had conscripts so i could spam valhallans in a not OP manner

[arctic talon]

because not being able to play the game is stupid

Tbh

if they want to bring conscripts back

this is prolly the most balanced they'll be in a while

bcs of the new Leadership and Objective control rules

[normal light]

Well technically you can still tar pit with casual guard

[arctic talon]

unless they give conscripts OC2

[arctic talon]

my point is that it was way cheaper

to tarpit with conscripts

to an unhealthy degree

[normal light]

They may give conscripts abilitie to get order but on a 4+ for example

[arctic talon]

I don't think a faction is in a healthy spot when their best strategy is to just not interact with the opponent

[crystal forum]

guard committing nid tactics

drown the enemy in blood

[arctic talon]

Ironically nids have always had worse horde then guard in the past bcs of conscripts

Which was really funny

[crystal forum]

that's so genuinely funny

[arctic talon]

now on the otherhand the unholy 400 gaunts list was possible

if you want no one to have fun

[crystal forum]

just imagining guard invading a nid infested world and fighting fire with fire

[arctic talon]

because I'm gona be honest here moving 100+ minis a turn is already exhausting sometimes

moving 400+ would be uh

an expierence

[normal light]

I got 20 Kriegers in my face , and they had FNP 6+ and if they are half-strenght the regen 3D model every command phase

[arctic talon]

20 kriegers cover less space then 30 conscripts

[crystal forum]

idk why GW doesn't just let you replace squads with like single models

[arctic talon]

did you ever even play against the 200 conscript list lol

[normal light]

there were 2 stacks of them

[arctic talon]

that shit was unholy lol

I'd take any 10e tar pits

over then 8 and 9e guard conscript pit

[arctic talon]

mostly since the space they occupy is different

you can also use movement trays

but I just got really good at moving infantry blobs instead lol 💀

[crystal forum]

if i have 200 models on the board i definitely dont give a shit about whether the whole squad is visible or not

[normal light]

So mostly tar pits aren`t fun , at least in real life game?

[arctic talon]

They aren't in general

[crystal forum]

wait you also used guard?

[arctic talon]

admech

skitarii get pretty hordey

[crystal forum]

of course you're a rust huffer

[arctic talon]

especially in 9e when they let you take 20 man squads which totally wasn't unhealthy

[arctic talon]

thats a new one

lol

but the best black templars list rn is like 120 something bodies lol

[normal light]

I am thinking of Poxwalkers and Nurglings tar pits

maybe also Chaos Cultists tar pits

[arctic talon]

chaos cultists die fast

generally speaking

Nurglings are annoying as fuck

and poxwalkers suck this edition so far

[normal light]

true

[arctic talon]

They're so slow lol

[normal light]

you can`t overexpand them

[normal light]

depends from whom are they

[arctic talon]

True

Thousand son ones

[normal light]

For nurgle ones I can at least drop -1 to hit on them

[arctic talon]

are annoying with the invuln

[normal light]

true

[arctic talon]

I'm not sure why GW decied to give the thousand sons cultists an invuln

lol

[normal light]

I don`t understand why Chosen dont have at least 5+ invul

Like Chaos Champion and without invul

Exalted Champion don`t have 1 also

And even sorcerer don`t have it

AND HE EVEN DON`T GIVE IT ON 2+ FOR HIS SQUAD

He just passivly gives -1 to hit on his squad

[arctic talon]

Chosen not having an invuln

is weird

[normal light]

true

[arctic talon]

Then again there's just some weird decisions in 10e in general

[normal light]

I played Chaos Space Marines in 10th Edition mostly

[arctic talon]

like melee profiles lul

[normal light]

now I downgradet to Death Guard

[normal light]

don`t speak about them

Also funny thing

Dark Angels can`t activly abuse their Primarch as a cover

[arctic talon]

Like the only melee profiles that survived unmolested were like one custodes profile and howling banshees lol

Wyches with that Spicy S3 AP0 D1 weapon

[normal light]

💀

[arctic talon]

Ogryn with that incredibly dangerous S6 AP0 melee

[normal light]

Because Primarchs count as monster and Lion has a lone operative

[arctic talon]

oh my god lol

[normal light]

so he can block your shooting

[normal light]

Guy I am playing with just puts Lion in front of his Assault Inteccessor Squad

and I can`t shoot at them

[crystal forum]

can cypher and lion fight on the same side

[arctic talon]

Cypher is a chaos space marine mini ironically

despite not looking chaosy at all

[crystal forum]

i dont know anything about cypher i just know he's like a troll or something

[arctic talon]

also despite working with the imperium more often then not

[normal light]

he`s chaos only Lone Operative unit

[arctic talon]

Cypher escaped

[normal light]

Chaos Space Marines*

[arctic talon]

from the Custodes timeout room

somehow

[crystal forum]

5 years in the isocube

[arctic talon]

Still has the fallen keyword lol

despite no one else having it

[crystal forum]

what does it do

[normal light]

memes

[normal light]

nothing

in 10th nothing

[arctic talon]

nothing lol

it did one thing in 9th

which was make the dark angels better at killing you

and you better at killing dark angels lol

its a keyword to let you homebrew stuff more then anything tbh

[crystal forum]

so you're telling me that the fallen don't even exist and are just a fabrication to give dark angels a reason to exist

[normal light]

I remember playing noise marines against Aeldari in my first game

[arctic talon]

On the tabletop sorta?

They still sell the minis for fallen

[normal light]

Also I played Renegades and Heretics faction with some parts of Chaos Space Marines faction

[arctic talon]

I think you’re supposed to use the fallen minis as chaos chose

Also even funnier this means technically you can give any non legion specific csm unit the fallen keyword

Rn

Since fallen is a faction keyword

[crystal forum]

fallen nurgle worshiper

[normal light]

I know that there are homebrew rules for Harlequins

[normal light]

Like an actual index book style

[crystal forum]

fallen thousand son

[normal light]

I have fallen and can’t get up 💀

[arctic talon]

Unironically you can have plague marines who are fallen

The weird part is rubric marines lol

[crystal forum]

only tzeentch can explain this shit

[normal light]

Even he doesn’t know how this happened

Look a piece of garbage

[crystal forum]

i hate his thumbnails

failure

[normal light]

Another garbage that for some reason doesn’t have assault

[crystal forum]

like i can just imagine him dragging a cropped image of a space marine onto a royalty free image of prison bars

then opening up his folder of thumbnail faces

[arctic talon]

World eaters not having bikers

[crystal forum]

picking the right one

[arctic talon]

Despite one of the most iconic biker art pieces being of world eaters

World eaters in their current state don’t feel like a complete army

Harlequins who don’t even have their own index feel more complete

[normal light]

Most armies don’t feel like it

[normal light]

At least ones that I played (Chaos Space Marines lack some minor characters and buffs for their main units)

[arctic talon]

Tbh

Indexhammer does that

[normal light]

?

[arctic talon]

We don’t have full codex’s

For armies rn

[normal light]

Yes

[arctic talon]

Except nids

[normal light]

Yes

And?

[arctic talon]

That’s why factions feel incomplete rn imo

[normal light]

True

Funny thing about Master of Possession

He actually decreases Possessed speed by 1”

[crystal forum]

i just noticed there's a key behind my lieutenant's shield

what's up with that

[echo vault]

You can choose where it goes, maybe the locker that they store that in

[spare osprey]

yeah there are a few

Cypher snapped ones neck in a book

then you have stuff like the angel of blades.

but it still shouldn't have made fallen only chaos in the rules

[spare osprey]

sorta

they're just photoshopped DA vets

[near wasp]

Wow

[winter vessel]

||okay I had suspicion in the first episode, but I’m starting to think the guardswoman accompanying Sister Danaka isn’t real since Sa’kan didn’t acknowledge her, only the SOB.||

[storm jungle]

Yeah shes a figment of her imagination

its very obvious once the Salamander shows up

but the first episode definitely puts up hints

[arctic talon]

The ||deathmark only sees one set of tracks||

When tracking them

[winter vessel]

Side note, I'm very happy with how Sa'kan is representing the Salamanders in this.

[arctic talon]

I like how the deathmark is portrayed

Especially the fact since they’re not entirely devoid of personality

[storm jungle]

A Salamander thats actually likable

AND

Killing Death Korps of Krieg?

literally christmas for me

[winter vessel]

That one instance where the Death Korps were giving Salamanders a hard time, so the latter went "Oh yeah? Imma tell the Emperor you were a bad boy!" panic muffled gas mask noises

[plush mason]

wes is really commited to that pose lol

[echo vault]

Interesting videos bad thumbnails

[nocturne crest]

Did assault bikes not exist in the HH?

Sorry, the Space Marine Attack Bike.

[arctic talon]

They did not

[native charm]

Damn is Trazyn's voice this canonically smooth?

https://youtu.be/uxRY25TV_Po?si=m2gXvn3t_wQ-u_Gl

[arctic talon]

Most Necrons have pretty smooth/human sounding voices@

Both of trazyn’s have been smug and smooth

Would prolly be a bit more digitalish tho

[native charm]

Won't have to coerce me to walk into his gallery lol

[arctic talon]

I really like the one from infinite and the divine but the one from battle fleet gothic armada 2 is the best imo

https://youtu.be/XVghX8opHJU?si=GOhZWVxxN9B-97dT

He’s so damn smug about everyone but the Eldar and Necrons lol

And even then he’s still got that arrogant voice lol

[native charm]

Battlefleet Gothic worth getting?

[arctic talon]

Gameplay wise 2nd one is better in every way but I will say it’s niche

It’s a spaceship rts

Also if you want to play as Tau, eldar or Orks in the campaign you’re out of luck

Only Necrons, Imperium, Tyranids and Chaos have a campaign

And you have to pay extra for chaos

[native charm]

It's got a Mixed rating on steam, but then so does DT.

[arctic talon]

Prolly bcs the multiplayer isn’t well balanced

Lol

Multiplayer is Eldar and Chaos dominated

In terms of balancing