40k-lore-chat

[soft patio]

You mean me 2 years ago? Yeah its literally how I jumped into it

Got into cheap kill team and started from there

[crystal forum]

you saw the prices for an army and you went with it without prior knowledge?

[soft patio]

Hey back then i had no knowledge of people do what they do now

Sure if I look back it would be cheaper to buy a you know what, but I don't regret it

It's just a hobby I like so I pay for what I want, new box every month or so has made quite the army

[crystal forum]

fair enough

[soft patio]

I understand what you're getting at though

Also if I knew facebook market place was such a banger..

Now thats a regret..

[crystal forum]

the current situation is just annoying to me. i didn't know about warhammer back when it was cheap so it feels like im being punished because of whales. Now it's at the point where even if the community started collectively not buying from GW anymore the company would probably file for bankruptcy before making the hobby affordable

[soft patio]

Of course, its just how some brands take what they can to the grave, and now theyre picking up speed with all the random publicity it gets from whatever and whomever celebrity.

[crystal forum]

that to me is what tells me things will only get worse. the shareholders will always demand growth and you can only ask so much from a relatively niche tabletop game

like what happens if the amazon original flops?

[soft patio]

Then we go play fortnite minis

lets go poggers

I also go back to what I said

[silver pollen]

Well, even when they do go bankrupt, what stops you from ordering fine (maybe custom) 3D printed models from pirate workshop, getting codex, well, somewhere and play TT with other people of same approach?

[crystal forum]

the lore will be dead, that's what bothers me honestly

the IP will be locked in the grave unless some company buys it

doubtful because GW will ask for way too much money

[silver pollen]

Well, yes, but it was stagnating for some time so it is natural.

Still, my point stands. With such prices as now, I don't see a single reason to buy "official" GW models when I can get whatever I wish from "non-official" sources - with comparable quality but WAY cheaper. Though, I don't play tabletop and have no plans to get into it. Books and occasional videogames are more than enough for me.

[storm jungle]

The stagnation of GW was mostly due to their old CEO and the horrible codex bloat along with the rules.

A lot of GW's customer base is also mindless consumers and their success has been massive during and post-covid

they aren't going anywhere any time soon

[crystal forum]

their success during covid is so weird to me

there's a lot of things about the hobby industry that doesn't make much sense lol

[storm jungle]

I mean no

it makes total sense

people are trapped at home and got nothing to do so they buy minis to pass the time.

its very simple lmao

[crystal forum]

but they can't even play the game

[storm jungle]

So?

A lot of 40k players dont even play the game, they just buy minis.

thats what matters at the end of the day

[frosty stag]

Hey its the lore mod

Hello

[storm jungle]

[frosty stag]

Ngl i dont think ive ever seen you talk in any other char

[crystal forum]

i can't believe the lore mod thinks ferrus manus is coming back to life

this must be official right since they're GW employees

[storm jungle]

Its mostly because this is one of the most toxic discord servers in existence and half of the playerbase is angry people that don't see logic in anything

like if you try to spend 10 minutes in general-chat you'll know exactly what I mean

[frosty stag]

Fair enough

[storm jungle]

I still look into other channels as a mod obviously but participating in em yeah no thanks

One step in zealot-chat was more than enough

[crystal forum]

this server really is weird huh

[storm jungle]

Nah its just toxic af

[frosty stag]

I just stay to say hi to hank

[storm jungle]

Its either hating Fatshark or hating the game

like it was fair to a certain point but just got incredibly old fast

[frosty stag]

And learn lore

[crystal forum]

in lore chat we hate GW.
we are not the same

[storm jungle]

Im just here because I love the lore channel lol

[silver pollen]

Is Stockholm syndrome counting?

[storm jungle]

YEP

"I hate this game fuck fatshark"

stays for months

[frosty stag]

I like the game

[storm jungle]

I like the game so im not that iffed by its status

[silver pollen]

To be fair, I don't hate the game. I just like the game what it COULD and SHOULD be.

[storm jungle]

Oh man

you wait until the 4th

this update is gonna be great

[frosty stag]

For like a week

Then back to square 1

[crystal forum]

the only way to start a conversation in this channel is by asking a vague question

[storm jungle]

Nah

[silver pollen]

And then back to BG3.

[storm jungle]

This entire update is basically the entire half of the game that was missing lol

[frosty stag]

Was horuses name rally horus heresy

[storm jungle]

Yes

[frosty stag]

Why would god emp name him that

[storm jungle]

I asked Abnett

[crystal forum]

not vague enough

[storm jungle]

he said "Because it came to him in a dream."

[silver pollen]

WHY DID YOU BETRAY US, HORUS?

[frosty stag]

Was the evil dude also that one guy who did that one thing with that one god

[crystal forum]

no no

[storm jungle]

this is 40k you gotta narrow the "evil dude" down

[crystal forum]

says something like:
did horus succeed?

[frosty stag]

Oh i get it now

[crystal forum]

and then cacti will respond with "kinda"

[silver pollen]

No, he is a loser. Even his first captain is more successful.

[crystal forum]

and then dilara will find a way to say no

[storm jungle]

its not my fault almost every question is dumb

"Why doesn't the Imperium make peace with xenos? Are they stupid?"

[silver pollen]

Dumb setting deserves dumb questions.

[frosty stag]

So basically lore chat is just a debate room for Dilara and cacti

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

pretty much

this is like the most normal chat i can moderate

helps when the people that get banned here say shit like

"genocide is good"

[frosty stag]

Sounds fun ngl

[storm jungle]

"imperium is not fascist"

"imperium is the good guys"

[crystal forum]

ok but that one guy who was talking about the emperor literally being the christian jesus was onto something

[storm jungle]

GOD

I was literally about to mention him

he the ngoes onto mention how he has "roman blood"

[frosty stag]

Lot better then “dead game” “erm die” from gen chat

[crystal forum]

horus heresy lore creates the wackiest individuals

[storm jungle]

speaking of

re-read End and the Death

[silver pollen]

Ok, time for serious questions: why didn't sons of Horus guess to put him into stasis and travel to the Emperor? When Guilliman was mortally wounded, his sons at least guessed to do the stasis part.

[storm jungle]

forgot it established the Emperor as Alexander the Great

man I hate 40k

[frosty stag]

I want to read the bile books

[storm jungle]

Because they had to follow the script or the Heresy wouldnt happen

[frosty stag]

But they cost like 60$ more then i have

[storm jungle]

the Sons of Horus were also incredibly desperate

[crystal forum]

was it Dan the Man again

[storm jungle]

YEP

[frosty stag]

Sons of horus more like abbidon looks ugly af

[storm jungle]

I can't say much

aside from that theres always other ways

[frosty stag]

Basically what you are saying is “as a mod i cant condone theft but steal/pirate”?

[storm jungle]

pretty much

its on our rules

lmao

[frosty stag]

Lol

[storm jungle]

otherwise id get kicked out so lol

[crystal forum]

im pretty sure that also falls under discord ToS

[frosty stag]

Oh yeah makes sense

[crystal forum]

so account could maybe also be deleted

[silver pollen]

Ok, does the fact of Imperium providing survival of Humanity in general makes it morally good in the grand scheme of things even if Imperium itself is the horrifying abomination of the regime that shouldn't have been existed?

[storm jungle]

It really doesnt

[frosty stag]

Oh wow

[crystal forum]

discord doesn't joke around. they don't even give warnings most of the time

[frosty stag]

I have the perfect meme for this

[storm jungle]

god

[frosty stag]

I hate his name

[storm jungle]

GW writers be like

"We cant use that name"

"What about-"

opens synoym

"Violator?"

"Briliant"

[crystal forum]

wait is that actually his name

[frosty stag]

LMAO

[storm jungle]

NO LMAO

OH MY GOD FUCKING GOD

I JUST GOOGLED

[frosty stag]

LMAO

[storm jungle]

Of course

[silver pollen]

Well, makes sense.

[crystal forum]

[frosty stag]

Oh my god im dying rn

[silver pollen]

Like, perfect sense.

[crystal forum]

so the guardsmen suicide bombers were off the table but not these guys

[storm jungle]

To be fair

violate doesnt usually mean just the sexual sense

lol

[crystal forum]

it's slaanesh though

[silver pollen]

Yes, but we talk about Slaaneshite marines so...

[storm jungle]

💀

[crystal forum]

if it was khorne maybe

[silver pollen]

or Nurgle

[crystal forum]

actually no that would sound even worse

[storm jungle]

Nurgle writers be like

[frosty stag]

Gw writers are something else

[storm jungle]

"Where can we spam the word Pox as much as possible"

[frosty stag]

Pox bug man lord of pox plague

[storm jungle]

😩

[crystal forum]

eloquent in pustule speak

[storm jungle]

theres so many gross words for sickness related stuff in the english language i hate it

[crystal forum]

there's even one in this server

[storm jungle]

to be fair shes based

[frosty stag]

Is there?

[storm jungle]

Yep

[frosty stag]

Oh if she’s based then thats ok

[crystal forum]

also not a stuffy old white guy like 90% of GW writers

[storm jungle]

^

Captain Kentucky AKA Sarah Cawkwell

[frosty stag]

Oh wow

[storm jungle]

shes not a big shot but still wrote for BL so

[crystal forum]

anybody who wrote for marvel is pretty big to me

except dan

[storm jungle]

LEL

[crystal forum]

i bet he's like 5'6

[storm jungle]

god ngl reading Death and the End was a fucking slog for me

[crystal forum]

it's sad because dan isn't even a bad writer

[storm jungle]

Hes not hes just overrated af

[frosty stag]

No matter how shitty this servers members are I’ll probably never leave it

[silver pollen]

Ok, was fun conversation, good night/evening/day/whatever to everyone here.

[frosty stag]

Im in 3 servers rn

[frosty stag]

Goodnight

[storm jungle]

Im in 94 mostly for emotes

only participate in 3 because they are neat

[crystal forum]

he's just given way too much control over such a massive IP

[storm jungle]

yeah thats my issue like

Abnett can basically do whatever he wants

its why the term "Abnettverse" exists

[frosty stag]

Im in this one, a server that hates clouds, and a server with a few friends

[crystal forum]

no single person can have such control over something like 40k. it's just too big

[storm jungle]

Its not that he has control over 40k

its more that he can write whatever he wants in a narrative

Abnett has never really written anything for the major lore

minus 30k which is a prequel so not really the same thing

[crystal forum]

yeah that's what i mean

[storm jungle]

Yeah like

we literally rae getting

3 PARTS

FOR A FUCKING FINALE NOVEL

Why?

apparently he wrote too much

and literally none of his editors do their jobs

lmao

[crystal forum]

it's supposed to be a huge event. it should have been a team of writers not just dan

[storm jungle]

Dan started the Heresy with the first novels

so its fitting that he gets to end it

the issue is its dragging

[crystal forum]

that's the annoying part

he started it but douzaine of other writers added to it

it's not his story anymore

[storm jungle]

its a mix of a lot of factors because Horus Heresy is such a fucking mess

Siege especially

[crystal forum]

i can relate it to star wars

george lucas made the first and let other directors make the two sequels

then when he was given infinite money to make the prequels it was kind of a mess

though he did please fans

[storm jungle]

pretty much

Lucas was the only victor

he gave them his IP and left laughing

now he just opens his palm and money floats down to it

Lucas does not earn any royalties from the newer movies or shows as a writer, director, or even creator. However, because of the Disney stock shares he received as part of the transaction, Lucas still sees a hefty payout due to the value of the stocks

Oh shit

[crystal forum]

now you have dan not trying to make a good story but trying to please fans of the series

[storm jungle]

Yeah Dan is a weird guy in general

because hes been around for a long time

[crystal forum]

i havent read the siege of terra books but i assume they read mostly like fan service

so many recurring characters seem to come back

whatever. at least i still have soul drinkers

[crystal forum]

there's something i never really understood about knights and titans

do they function the same in battle?

i don't know what a questoris knight would do differently than a warhound titan

[arctic talon]

Warhound titan is even killier and faster

Warhounds are faster then every knight varient but the uh cerastus

Knights also often time can help protect ground forces from fire with their shields

Titans sort of just don’t give a shit about anyone but their accompanying secutarii

[crystal forum]

mmh

[arctic talon]

Its mostly just a scale thing as well

The largest knight is almost the same size as the warhound lol

[crystal forum]

yes i went on forge world and saw the size

titans are bigger than i remebered

the biggest one is 2 feet tall

[versed ledge]

So what's the purpose of an emperor class titan?

Mobile head quarters, or just a imperial version of a bigger phallus contest?

[storm jungle]

More or less yeah

Its just a biggier and killier titan

[versed ledge]

Fair, though one has to wonder what the heck was it designed to kill?

"Nobody would waste that much raw material for something like that" (the Tau)

[arctic talon]

Everything that gets in its way

[queen laurel]

Something that you really just want to disappear off the face of the planet

[crystal forum]

it was designed to kill everything. IRL though it was designed to counter an ork abomination of the same size back in epic warhammer

it's so big that it will never have a full size tabletop model

[arctic talon]

funnily enough GW made the war master for titanicus

So they wouldn’t have to think about how the fuck they were gona do the imperator in plastic at titanicus scale

[crystal forum]

warmaster isn't even close to imperator size

[arctic talon]

Yep

It isn’t lol

But they made it so they could have a bigger then warlord thing

[crystal forum]

ah

im sure they're keeping the imperator as a big reveal thing prior to launch

everybody's expecting it

[arctic talon]

Prolly

Epic is like the time to release the imperator

But I’m also not gona touch epic till I can run pure Adeptus titanicus lol

Let me use my “minis” GW

I want to step on some marine players entire army

[crystal forum]

i sense deep hatred

[arctic talon]

Not hatred

I just think it’s stupid GW won’t let me run pure titans

I want to see someone’s face when I just bring a chunk of my titanicus list to epic

[green loom]

Oh damn I missed all the fun convos

[crystal forum]

https://youtu.be/qYK44RyUmAI?si=1q_eT7H-7VK9qYBw

why does 40k theories have access to fredrik

seriously weshammer has the balls to critique theory's videos even though he does collabs with people who are three times more famous than him

[plush mason]

i have wondered if that is something on the TT, can the titans just step on smaller unites and do damage/kill them?

[arctic talon]

They have a melee profile that does a fuck ton of damage

[plush mason]

so yeah

nice

[arctic talon]

Not instant kill an entire squad usually

But you can do some serious damage lol

[plush mason]

ofc it would OP if they could just one shot things in melee

and afailk most titans are mainly for heavy fire support

[arctic talon]

Tbh with how they’re priced both in $ and points it’s pretty damn hard to make them OP lol

In Adeptus titanicus ironically titans are arguably not the strongest units

That award goes to questoris knights bcs they’re spammable

[normal light]

Knights with +4 invul

[arctic talon]

Titanicus is a funny game

You can just insta kill questoris tho

With some weapons

Issue is they’re cheap lol

Good thing you aren’t allowed to run just a fuck ton now, because that genuinely was boring

[normal light]

I tried playing against Loyalist Imperial Knight Player on CSM , It wasn`t funny for me

[arctic talon]

I’m talking about titanicus

Not 40K

[full drift]

Something from the DAoT

[storm jungle]

Remleiz (theories) likes collabing with people alot

hes a really nice guy, talked with him a few times, he doesn't really think a lot about it

[full drift]

I state once again, Aborderprince and Oculus Imperia are the best warhammer lore channels

[green loom]

I like Ian

[storm jungle]

Everyone has their own quality honestly

and yeah Ian is great

[green loom]

Maybe not AR

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

I require inspiration for a space marine battle

Wanna make a codex cover for my chapter :3

[normal light]

Commies are trying to revolt (Casual 👖 stealer revolt which is getting put down by your Space Marines Chapter)

it`s general idea

which can be used to make up a scene

[green loom]

Interesting way of phrasing it

[normal light]

for cover

[normal light]

[crystal forum]

you could always go with the classic "stuck in the warp with demons trying to eat me" situation

but i don't know what your chapter is best at

[crystal forum]

https://youtu.be/f8h4b2q6itI

any day now....

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/chicken-death-chicken-running-turkey-dread-gif-23769021

[crystal forum]

trust

he's 100% coming back

[echo vault]

Give him a robot skull head if he's coming back no substitutions

Primarch of the iron hands and leader of the legion of the damned? The skull on the center of his armor being a flame wreathed skull with a mix of metal cogs and metal bone his backpack of servo arms and weapons belching flame and repairing other legionnaires, with a weapon that can banish demons (divining blade in lore but that's for Marines, give him something bigger)

I don't think he'd look good with a giant sword but that is what he made for fulgrim so maybe I'm wrong

[frosty stag]

How many primarch are dead

[echo vault]

2, counting traitors 4

Ferrus Curze sanguinius horus

[shadow plover]

Vulcan kinda

[echo vault]

Vulkan doesn't count he comes back

[shadow plover]

ye but currently anyways

as far as we know

[echo vault]

Because otherwise I'd be saying Vulkan 50 times

[frosty stag]

https://tenor.com/view/purple-guy-dance-william-afton-dance-purple-guy-jiggy-purple-jiggy-purple-dance-gif-17627065305568870467

[echo vault]

What would be the stupidest torture for Konrad to do to vulkan when he captured him

[frosty stag]

Lol

[echo vault]

Like he ran out of ideas

[frosty stag]

Isn’t vulkan gone rn cuz he thinks his sons are pussies or something

They are on a quest to find the 40000 warhammers that he left for them

[echo vault]

No he had like 9 special items

[frosty stag]

Aint the number not actually known

Cuz Gw hates letting us know important details

[crystal forum]

"dead" is difficult to determine when it comes to GW's poster boys. The only primarch we know with complete confidence won't come back is horus

[echo vault]

There are 8 special items now

[frosty stag]

Oh

[crystal forum]

and GW still brought horus back as a clone just to kill him again

[frosty stag]

Lmao

[crystal forum]

ferrus manus got his head chopped off. Dorn lost a entire hand

leman and khan both fucked off to forbidden zones

[frosty stag]

Didn’t the blood angels guy die

[crystal forum]

oh right sanguinius

yeah he dead

and probably won't come back since GW loves blood angels and their entire gimmick is dead primarch

[frosty stag]

Yeah didn’t that fuck up all his sons

[crystal forum]

yup

[frosty stag]

Love that

[crystal forum]

they can sometimes go insane and think they're sanguinius right before dying

[frosty stag]

Yeah the blood rage

Or smth like that

[crystal forum]

dante is basically a primarch now anyways

[arctic talon]

Dante has been with the blood angels longer then sanguinius has lol

[green loom]

In Dante's lifetime the BA have been nearly wiped out 3 times

[frosty stag]

Damn thats crazy

[tawdry escarp]

Corax is also in the Warp, hunting Lorgar

[arctic talon]

Eye of terror

[frosty stag]

Hi lore whores

[arctic talon]

And he hasn’t been seen since the scouring

[frosty stag]

Thats rude

Hi people

[spare osprey]

Still don’t know why peeps think Ferrus is in the LotD tbh. Like wasn’t it confirmed to just straight up not be him.

Like my mindset in the whole thing

Leave dead primarchs dead

Konrad, sangy, alpharius, Ferrus, Horus. All of the real them’s should stay dead

[arctic talon]

Yeah it was confirmed to not be him

It’s just a representation of the Emperors anger

Regarding the fire

[echo vault]

I just like that part in one of the books where he's like reawakened as a spirit

I do prefer him not being legion of the damned tho its just kinda forced

and also not him but that as well

[tough haven]

Any good Ork war bosses to read about? Either in books or wiki

[green loom]

Ghaz

[tough haven]

Well yeah

I still gotta buy his books

I meant beyond the obvious ones

[echo vault]

Read deff skwadron it's a fucking BEAUTIFUL and great Ork graphic novel

an inspiration to me

[tough haven]

Where can I get it?

/read it if I can for free

If it’s like publicly available but I doubt it

[echo vault]

I think its publically available somewhere I was looking for pictures to post of it and I think someone did

[echo vault]

http://www.cold-moon.com/40k/Deff Skwadron/deff_skwadron.htm

It also has physical copies that I am searching for

[tough haven]

Gork’s teef, dats a lotta Dakka!

[echo vault]

Every page probably took like 2 days to draw it's SO FUCKING DETAILED EVERYWHERE

[tough haven]

Thanks

[echo vault]

yw

[echo vault]

Do you think a stormcast would get into one of those slapping contest events with an ogor and accidently slap the ogor's head off?

ogre, ogor, both good

[frosty stag]

In a fists only match whos winning

Blueberry or storm cast

Both unnamed

[echo vault]

Stormcast is turning the tau into a smear oh you meant ultramarines

[frosty stag]

Yeah lol

[echo vault]

Tough to say because both have specifics that can make them more powerful like divine boons or the space marines armor

Plus a technology difference, that makes it hard

[frosty stag]

Both naked and oiled

[echo vault]

That's incredibly tough, I legit don't know they're both equal in my eyes, like they're both augmented humans to turn into killing machines and powerful as hell

Just one is through surgery and the other is sigmar forging them

Coolness factor its stormcast ez

That's why custodes are cool its (Almost) like the emperor forges them himself

[tawdry escarp]

Stormcast do have the advantage of magic backing them

[echo vault]

Yeah the magic is a point but the augmentations are the space marines equivalent of magic, they're just balanced

Both can be super powerful or even not that powerful in comparison to similar things

[tawdry escarp]

Can Stormcast spit acid?

[echo vault]

No but I bet a stormcasts fists can be cast in holy fire

[tawdry escarp]

Fair

[echo vault]

So a shoriyuken is possible

[tawdry escarp]

Better hope it's not a Black Templar they're trying to wrastle

[echo vault]

Plus there doesn't seem to be any difference in gender so both male and female stormcast are the same power

BUT here's the real fight

Trajaan Valoris VS Celestant Prime

Celestant Prime clears ez I may have made it too powerful

So the more accurate fight may be Trajaan vs Bastion Carthalos

[tawdry escarp]

Sanguinius vs Celestant Prime

[echo vault]

Celestant Prime has Gal Maraz tho

It's all so balanced, although sigmar (AOS) vs emperor would be a big hoss battle

Each punch shattering the arena they're in

[tawdry escarp]

Sangui has two legendary artifact weapons

[echo vault]

Gal Maraz is THE legendary artifact, the defining item of Stormcast, sigmar, and in many ways humanity in AoS and fantasy

That's the only thing, its like emps sword kinda but more

[crystal forum]

i think emperor wins just by the amount of power we see him wield

[echo vault]

Again I say equal because what a god can do varies in ability, sigmar or the emperor can do some insane shit because sigmar in many ways created the mortal realms with other equivalents, same with the emperor

[crystal forum]

emperor can do galactic level of psychic stuff. even if sigmar could do that too we still don't have proof

[echo vault]

That's because not many people read Aos books you dingle dork

He is like the sole creator of the realm of azyr, knocked out a minor god Behemat with one swing of gal maraz

I know its incomparable but its interesting

[arctic talon]

Also sigmar and the gods in generally regularly intervene in battle in AoS

They usually just throw some magic at it

Or in khornes case he just sticks a sword out a portal and smashes something to powder

[echo vault]

I just want the two to have a brawl like a fight in baki

[spare osprey]

So they gonna make out?

[echo vault]

possible, up to interpretation

[storm jungle]

Stormcasts have their own versions of Black Templars

who dont care about civillian casulties and are also extremely brutal

also people forget the way Stormcast wage war with almost 80% blunt weapons is pretty bad.

[crisp heath]

Imperium ain't so bad. Sure you're essentially living as an insect, but it's better than being eaten by an insect.

If only Horus didn't ruin everything

[storm jungle]

Caesar's Legion PFP

Imperium Apologism

[crisp heath]

I prefer Great Crusade apologism as a moniker

and cosplaying the bad guys is fun

they tend to have more feathers

Except in WH fantasy for some reason

[storm jungle]

The Great Crusade was also bad

[crisp heath]

no ur bad

[storm jungle]

a galactic jihad that killed countless human civilizations

why because uh

"xenos cooties"

or

"you resisted"

[crisp heath]

What if humanity was disunited when the Tyranids came a-knockin?

[storm jungle]

30k has shown countless times that advanced civilizations of humans existed.

[forest orbit]

And the Emperor wiped out all of them lol

30k Imperium is bad.

[crisp heath]

The Imperium is advanced, just simultaneously backwards.

How do you define advanced

[forest orbit]

Yet the people still live in oppression and slavery

knock that fascist apologist shit outta here

You wouldnt be saying this shit if you were a manufactorum slave

lmao

[crisp heath]

I... haven't said anything fascist lol

Chill homie

[echo vault]

you posted cringe

[forest orbit]

^

[echo vault]

prepare ion cannon

[forest orbit]

Defending what is basically nazi-romans also kinda is the same thing

[crisp heath]

what are you even talking about now

what nazi romans

[forest orbit]

The... Imperium

who else lol

[crisp heath]

The Imperium are Romans? How?

The use of Latin?

[forest orbit]

bruh

Do I like

gotta post almost the entire 30k artwork range

[echo vault]

stormcast

[forest orbit]

KEK

[echo vault]

30k UM, mk2 and 3 being knight helmets

plumes

[crisp heath]

yeah and death korp of krieg means they're all ww1 infantry. Mordian Iron Guard means they're all 1890s French

They make cool designs for toys.

[forest orbit]

Fascist imagery is still fascist imagery

and those are niche historical references

lol

[crisp heath]

Rome wasn't fascist?

[forest orbit]

the larger part of Space Marine legions in 30k were entirely roman

[echo vault]

I've only done Caesars legion playthroughs in new vegas because I have my imaginary courier takes over legion and becomes good idea in my head, but a friend a while ago brain blasted me in the head with knowledge about the true nature and culture of the CL being unchangable despite my best hopes

[forest orbit]

Who the fuck says it was

we are talking about the Imperium here lol

[echo vault]

benis

[storm jungle]

Their defenders are literally the wrost

[crisp heath]

You're saying plumes make it fascist?

[storm jungle]

"Enslaving women is based"

[storm jungle]

Also he isn't, stop trying to twist the conversation

[echo vault]

I literally was like caesar legion led by courier could end slavery and all this but i was brainblasted that my idea was impossible sadly

[storm jungle]

you kinda asked for this kind of scrutiny the moment you defend anything the Imperium does lol

[storm jungle]

Ikr, weird

Its like being based on a society like rome is a bad thing

[echo vault]

I will larp about my non slavery legion in my corner

[crisp heath]

Neither the Imperium or CL are based on Rome in anything beyond aesthetics, one way more than the other.

[forest orbit]

Kinda is more or less

[echo vault]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh424019499-gif-25675566

[forest orbit]

That and GW are not masive history buffs beyond appearances

[crisp heath]

The Imperium functions off whatever looks cool and is a hodgepodge from historical inferences depending on the writer

[forest orbit]

Doesnt matter

its still fascist lol

I guess the literal death camps and genetic purity propaganda is not as well known in the lore lol

[crisp heath]

genetic purity in what sense? Against mutation? I'm unfamiliar with anything else in the lore

I'd imagine cancer is pretty prevalent

[echo vault]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-rpx_syria-gif-19044194

[crisp heath]

I'm by no means a 40k expert

[echo vault]

The flexibility of genetic purity can be like

anything

DUMPASS

[forest orbit]

That explains a lot

[crisp heath]

Do you go into every conversation with this level of hostility lol

[echo vault]

only if you act this dumb its ok

[forest orbit]

^

[crisp heath]

socially inhibited

[forest orbit]

shut up lol

[echo vault]

This is like special event 15

[storm jungle]

Alright kids thats enough

[desert dust]

Don't you know 30k horus is actually the good guy

[storm jungle]

I know I kinda started it but lets not go super off the rails now

[desert dust]

Now let me rant for 45 minutes of straight mental gymnastics to come out|| wrong||

[forest orbit]

meh fine

[echo vault]

no its the uh interex whatever

[crisp heath]

I've never heard the take that the Emperor himself is bad

Just how he was misconstrued post-heresy

[forest orbit]

Okay so ill be less hostile but

Its literally the point that hes a horrible person.

books like the Last Church actively point this out

"Why are you conquering the galaxy"

"Because I know im right"

spoken like every tyrant

[crisp heath]

I mean would you consider Napoleon or Alexander bad people?

Conquest isn't inherently immoral

[forest orbit]

Yes?

It is?

[crisp heath]

Napoleon liberated tens of millions of people from serfdom lol

[forest orbit]

Do innocent people ask to be conquered and have their lands ravaged by foreign soldiers?

lol

[crisp heath]

Violence as a means to liberation isn't bad and people != their government.

[forest orbit]

...

[crisp heath]

Unless you'd prefer us to be all living as some illiterate serfs so an incredibly inbred Austrian man can demand we worship him, you owe Napoleon quite a bit.

[forest orbit]

Thats you assuming germany was ever gonna win WW2

we dont owe Nappy anything lol

[crisp heath]

Habsburg

Not Hitler

Not all Austrians are hitler

[forest orbit]

Ok history teacher

[crisp heath]

You're seemingly more unaware of history than I am of 40k lore

[forest orbit]

Because not everyone is interested in reading european history

[crisp heath]

Napoleon was a liberal dictator who freed half of Europe from serfdom

Establishing modern law

[storm jungle]

go off to #general-chat if you are gonna be historyboos please

[native charm]

In a galaxy filled with other species that thrive preying on humanity, minus the Tau/Aeldar, the Emperor is alright killing everything with too many tentacles and teeth

[crisp heath]

this is bannable here lol

[forest orbit]

Except 30k also establishes that a lot of innocent human and alien civilizations also got slaughtered lol

[storm jungle]

Knock it off lol

GW themselves have said the Imperum is bad.

[crisp heath]

I'm not saying the Imperium is good.

[native charm]

War crimes? What war crimes?

[forest orbit]

Me running you over with a rhino

[storm jungle]

[forest orbit]

In Dawn of War of course not IRL

[plush mason]

what i miss?

[stoic quest]

Good, bad, right, wrong. All entirely subjective.

Morals are widely defined by the dominant religion(s) and culture(s) of the setting/time we are looking at.

[storm jungle]

Nah.

nothing to argue over when the subject is clear, don't drag it back up.

[stoic quest]

Why? Is it not a fascinating and important subject?

[storm jungle]

I really don't care.

[stoic quest]

For example in Rome it was considered pretty progressive that you could be jailed for selling one too many of your own children into slavery. During the time they considered that a moral judgment. Though of course now we'd find it deplorable to sell any of your children into slavery

[storm jungle]

Not the chat for it

so kindly cease lol

[plush mason]

that is irrelevent to 40k as GW who are the ultimate arbitors of the lore and its mortality have already condemed the imperium as one of the worst factions in the setting so any convo arguing other wise is moot

[storm jungle]

^

Not much more to say beyond that honestly.

[stoic quest]

I don't think the authors of a setting are the ultimate arbiter of morality in it. Art is as much ours as it is the artist's.

[crisp heath]

Sir this a server where we talk about a video game based on plastic army men, and then we argue about the stories some old british guys made up about our plastic army men/video game dudes. Nothing here is an important subject

[storm jungle]

Last warning, cease.

[plush mason]

thats why it wasnt the authors. it was the company that pays them lol

[stoic quest]

You miss my point.

[plush mason]

nah

[forest orbit]

He really isnt

[plush mason]

your point is just moot

[forest orbit]

that lol

[stoic quest]

Explain

[forest orbit]

You are literally saying stuff like genocide and slavery is "debatable morality"

When its evil, plain and simple.

[plush mason]

the people that literally own the IP have said the imperium is one of the worst factions. thats that

[forest orbit]

That too lol

[stoic quest]

I'm not arguing that I find the Imperium detestable

[crisp heath]

Not the good guys and "the worst" are two wildly different concepts lol. There are tyranids and chaos cultists.

[forest orbit]

Doesnt matter

the Imperium is evil

[stoic quest]

My point being that it's a more fascinating discussion if you put yourself in the shoes of an imperial citizen.

[forest orbit]

The entire point chaos thrives is because the the Imperium makes its own citizens suffer

this is like lore 101

[plush mason]

they literally said its one of the worst lol

[forest orbit]

Its also just not

you are cheap slave labor

there isnt a morality question

[crisp heath]

Where

[stoic quest]

You say it's lore 101 but then say that?

[plush mason]

it was after that whole debacle with the neo-nazis in that one tournament

[forest orbit]

Yes because its in the lore

[stoic quest]

You realize how many diferent types of worlds there are?

[forest orbit]

And that they are all terrible?

what are you even arguing about

[crisp heath]

I remember that, they never said it was near the worst.

[stoic quest]

Fundamentally incorrect

[forest orbit]

Lmao

give me an example then

[stoic quest]

Paradise worlds?

A majority of worlds in the imperium are comprable to modern day earth

[forest orbit]

Oh?

you mean the worlds uh

where nobles are hedonistic pricks?

and any low class/lowborn suffers?

[stoic quest]

It's just that a large population of the imperium live in hives

[forest orbit]

and its rife with slaanesh cultists?

[forest orbit]

You do realise every world is shit right

[stoic quest]

I thought we were discussing standard of living and not inequity?

[forest orbit]

...

💀

Being given basic human rights is not standard living?

[crisp heath]

Every world is shit for the poor.

[stoic quest]

No?

[plush mason]

i feel like this is just a dead horse by this point Everard

[forest orbit]

Yeah fair honestly

[crisp heath]

Standard of living is material

[storm jungle]

To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be relearned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods

This is at the opening

of

every

single

40k book

[crisp heath]

regime
As in human history.

Not faction. It's the worst humanity has to offer, but it's not tyranids or nurgle.

[storm jungle]

Do you know like

what servitors are

or arco-flagellants

Or being a daemonhost?

[stoic quest]

The Imperium rules over an incalculable number of worlds, to say that absolutely all of them are awful to live on is presumptuous to say the least.

[storm jungle]

They are all awful.

[crisp heath]

Better than chaos.

[storm jungle]

The Imperium is bad.

[storm jungle]

Nah.

Now genuinely stop this argument.

[plush mason]

and even then they had to make a public statement about how the imperium is to be hated and reviled not revered. lol

[storm jungle]

You two genuinely need to read a 40k book or two.

[storm jungle]

Nah they are totally the good guys

[stoic quest]

I have

Multiple

[storm jungle]

Im guessing you kinda missed most of their point then

[stoic quest]

To tell a good story?

[storm jungle]

And to show the Imperium is hilariously awful

[crisp heath]

There is only 1 morally good faction in 40k

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/a/aa/Termagants.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/300?cb=20160312121304

[stoic quest]

Every, and I mean every faction in 40k is hilariously awful

[plush mason]

ngl i cant see the nids as "evil" hell they dont have any form of morality

[forest orbit]

Imperium is the main offender and way worse

[crisp heath]

Tyranids are just giant space puppies in a galaxy of talking beggin' strips

[forest orbit]

mfer now is gonna be like

"Actually, being a servitor is morally correct"

[stoic quest]

I would argue that the Drukari are objectively worse.

[forest orbit]

No need to play the fingerpointing game

[stoic quest]

What have you been doing?

[crisp heath]

"Stop this argument, unless you agree with me then feel free to pile on"

[forest orbit]

Nothing.

[plush mason]

the galaxy is just one big all you can eat foodcourt to the hivemind and imo that makes it the only faction with 0 moral anything

[forest orbit]

Was wondering when that was gonna happen

fucking hell my head

Read the goddamn lore next time you two

[plush mason]

and is part of why i love them the most lol. none of the BS from the other factions. just pure raw and simple hunger and survival driving them on

[crisp heath]

Honestly I'm a tyranid simp but like

I do understand they are evil

[forest orbit]

I literally do not understand people like this, like holy fuck

[crisp heath]

They can comprehend morality just fine. The hivemind is probably the most intelligent thing in the galaxy, and it's shown repeatedly that it fully comprehends things like "society" and "morality". it simply doesn't care and only uses those concepts as weapons against their prey.

[forest orbit]

I'd understand if you wanna like argue morality with that yeah

but human beings that operate the Imperium tho lmao

"Yeah paradise worlds are so good"

have you ever worked on a yacht before

I hope you like getting abused by rich people for laughs

[plush mason]

which is what makes it so deadly. it sees those things as the weaknesses they are and exploits them, its the ultimate predator

[crisp heath]

Honestly Nemeton isn't really a "bad" place to live. It's basically stuck in the bronze age, but most of the terrible fascist stuff seems to gloss over it. The only real terrible thing the Imperium does to them is their local Chapter takes recruits by kidnapping, but their novel makes it clear that the chapter actually operates below full strength because they don't like to do that anyway. I'd give it a solid 6.5/10, I'd tolerate it.

[tawdry escarp]

There's no one who plays an Imperial faction that gives a shit about what the government is

[plush mason]

"every virtue is a vice and every strength is a weakness"

[crisp heath]

Narratively, I like "yeah the Imperium? absolute worst thing that ever happened to humanity. Super evil. Anyway, here's an Imperial named Cute Dan who makes dolls for orphaned children and runs a food bank".

[tawdry escarp]

Exactly

[crisp heath]

(Cute Dan eventually ends up in a Homunculi lab)

[spare osprey]

nah caliban is pretty safe

[forest orbit]

💀

too soon

[plush mason]

yeah most books just use the imperium as a dark backdrop for the story said book is telling

[forest orbit]

You'd be surprised lol

[tawdry escarp]

We care about the common people and the heroes that defend them

[forest orbit]

yeah the "heroes"

anyway so about that firing squad-

[tawdry escarp]

There are heroes in the Imperium

[crisp heath]

Why don't they just take the chunks of Caliban and the chunks of Cadia and make Caladia where everyone is an ultra-badass Daemon slayer

[forest orbit]

Uhhhh

thats kinda what Vashtorr did

only for Caliban tho

[spare osprey]

good ol

Wyrmwood

[crisp heath]

I do like Wyrmwood a lot

[forest orbit]

My favorite darktide character

if anyone remembers she even exists

[plush mason]

lol

[spare osprey]

barely

[crisp heath]

Vashtorr did a good job, he deserves a planet

[spare osprey]

man i gotta get arks of omen Lion

[plush mason]

well he didnt really get one. more just a giant tunnel boring machine lmao

[tawdry escarp]

Wasn't there something about Wyrmwood being the collective callsign for Grendel's intelligence operatives?

[spare osprey]

feel like as a fallen fan i'm missing out on some important fuckin lore

[plush mason]

that is likely but the "wyrmwood" in question is the chick in the voxcasts

[crisp heath]

I'm pretty sure Wyrmwood isn't a single person

[plush mason]

also if it was a collective callsign it would have a number to id the sepcific agent

[forest orbit]

Yeah also im pretty sure Wyrmwood is an IRL thing

i think its a mythological one? Google time

[crisp heath]

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fwyrmwood-v0-28bdsngyi7qa1.jpg%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D4d146ea0c8add420524fd002be045f69f004ad11

[forest orbit]

yeah nvm just "made up IRL cool name"

[crisp heath]

Wormwood is a star that falls to Earth in the Book of Revelations

[forest orbit]

no

Wyrm and Worm are totally different, trust me

[crisp heath]

Wormwood is also a plant, most famous as an ingredient in absinthe

[plush mason]

they are lol

[forest orbit]

😩

[plush mason]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_dragon

[crisp heath]

Anyway yeah since "wyrmwood agents" are a thing it's probably a collective callsign

[tawdry escarp]

Wyrm is a discount dragon

[forest orbit]

I always assumed that as her agents

[crisp heath]

Dude you do not want to get into a nordic folklore argument with me

So essentially wyrm and worm are obviously cognate words, meaning they have a common origin and are essentially the "same word" for most purposes

[plush mason]

who coined "wyrm" anyway?

wasnt it Tolkien?

[forest orbit]

Im pretty sure wyrm was a pre-existing term

[crisp heath]

Both originally referred to any animal which crawled on the ground, especially venomous animals, which of course means mostly snakes

[spare osprey]

i won't bring up my space marine Týr then

[plush mason]

it was just worm afaik lol

[crisp heath]

So later on "worm" came to refer to the invertebrate because they looked like snakes

[plush mason]

the y spelling came later

[tawdry escarp]

Ye olde English

[crisp heath]

while in nordic countries it became more strongly associated with dragons (although there are English "worm" dragons, like the Laidly Worm), which are typically seen as a folkloric reflection of snakes

[plush mason]

seems "wyrm" did come from old norse old high german and old saxon

[tawdry escarp]

You might want to pull back on the history talk before Dilly notices

[crisp heath]

Dragon comes from OE draca which just refers to sea monsters, so there's basically a sea serpent-dragon spectrum which we see really strongly in the germanic folk tradition (dragons are generally portrayed as water-monsters or spirits)

So yeah essentially wyrmwood is just edgy wormwood, and it's probably referring to the star from Revelations

[storm jungle]

History talk is allowed as long as you arent being a weirdo fascist lol

or you know "conquering is a morally good thing"

[tawdry escarp]

I know, just making a joke

[storm jungle]

I dont care

face the wall

[plush mason]

got a "gun-right" emote?

[spare osprey]

humanity first, always, in every instance, never in the wrong

[storm jungle]

[tawdry escarp]

The etymology of the word wyrm is neat

[storm jungle]

here you go lol

[plush mason]

yay ty

[crisp heath]

Deer is a really fun etymology, trust me

[tawdry escarp]

Somebody gave that Ogryn a second gun. God help us

[crisp heath]

The fact that we call them deer is a huge insult to an Englishman's intelligence

[plush mason]

me having played both games, yeah those chaos ships are gona rip that imperial ship to shreads

the chaos fleet is just so much stronger than the imperial one lol

their ships are fast and have longer range more accurate guns

[spare osprey]

as a BFG player, Osmadiel or Korahael?

https://tenor.com/view/squint-squinting-suspicious-sus-rigby-gif-20283103

[storm jungle]

I THINK I picked the Fallen one

because Dark Angels suck di-

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/yus-adventure-time-yes-yass-awesome-gif-4635538

[plush mason]

i cant remember lol

[spare osprey]

Osmadiel is the bastard who got me into fallen

love him so much

[storm jungle]

Let me get the cutscene

time to skim a 5 hour video

[plush mason]

lol

[storm jungle]

https://youtu.be/j2owRt2c6HU

Oh shoot found a specific one

[spare osprey]

yup

seriously tho, osmadiel is easily my fav fallen in 40k

and i hope they bring him back

also speakin of fallen

homebrew of course

got a wip from a dude i comm'd for art of my ravenwing leader in my fallen group. him and his fuckin robo legs

now i must plan his important lore

like how he shits

gotta pray twice every time

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-adeptus-mechanicus-mechanicus-warhammer-tech-priest-gif-14919800332216808310

[storm jungle]

be me

play BFG2

literally have no idea who these people are

pick the Fallen because I hate Dark Angels and Osmiehomie sounds like a homie

[plush mason]

only campaign i ever finished as the nid one lol

[spare osprey]

he's just so

"rational" for a space marine

[plush mason]

also those 2 games are why i do not trust focus home with the 40k IP lol

they have a bad habit of dropping games like a year or 2 in lol

[storm jungle]

Yeah BFG2 was a bit troubled

we were gonna get a 3rd game tho

[crisp heath]

On one hand, Arthurian stuff is cool. On the other hand, Dork Angels

[plush mason]

clearly a heretic then

[storm jungle]

Have you considered

Dark Angle

[plush mason]

rationality and common sense is a sin in the imperial creed lol

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/yep-yup-gif-25738845

[storm jungle]

also that too

[spare osprey]

i enjoy the arthurian stuff

[plush mason]

all the best SMs are heretics

[spare osprey]

plus some of the first space marines made (dark angels) were named after old terran kings and figures in myth

[plush mason]

hell thats honestly true for most imperial characters

[crisp heath]

I'm very torn between Dark Angels and Emperor's Spears because they fill like, the same niche more or less, but DA are more Celtic fantasy and ES are more historical Celts

I really like the druid stuff with the spears though

[spare osprey]

Gilgamesh and Heracles are 2 dark angels that come to mind

[plush mason]

all i can think of when i think of dark angels is, white bath robes lol

[spare osprey]

i named my dude from that first batch Týr

i got him somewhere

[plush mason]

mainly because i literally had a hooded white bath robe once that looked almost exactly why the dark angel robes lol

[crisp heath]

I like the angel naming scheme tbh

[spare osprey]

Uncrowned Prince Týr, fallen angel and child of Nordyc

[spare osprey]

agreed

[crisp heath]

Angels and Arthurian fantasy are just a really good combo and it works for the chapter

[spare osprey]

there's a few other inspirations in the chapter

Native Americans are a notable one

[crisp heath]

The gay, indigenous angels of Arthur's table

[spare osprey]

mainly from the recruits taken from a planet called "Plains World"

[crisp heath]

Almost sounds like a cut scene from Monty Python's Holy Grail

[storm jungle]

I think the Rock gaybar thing was always said to be a rumor that got debunked.

[spare osprey]

no i am not kidding that is the official name

[spare osprey]

gay bar was. lion's name inspo however could not be any truer

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah no Lionel Johnson thing is entirely on point

[crisp heath]

The gay bar thing was just a fan thing yeah, but also the names and the fact that they were men in skirts with a "dark secret"

[storm jungle]

Yeeee

[plush mason]

?

[storm jungle]

the gay allegories entirely come from the book and the author

[storm jungle]

Someone, enlighten him

[crisp heath]

The secret is they're boykissers, uh, I mean, half of them are traitors, uh

[spare osprey]

the primarch Lion el jonson is named after an author who wrote a poem about his "dark secret", his homosexuality

[plush mason]

oh

[storm jungle]

Yeah this was back in the day when it was basically a death sentence too.

[plush mason]

fitting

[storm jungle]

A lot of like

homosexual guys back then had no idea what being gay was

just that they had these unexplained urges

[spare osprey]

what drives it even farther home however, the poem is titled The Dark Angel

[storm jungle]

^

Its one of the MOST obvious historical lifts for a Primarch character

[plush mason]

most people dont know this but. many knights where gay as hell by modern standers lol. so its very fitting

[viral halo]

Are you telling me the lion fucks dudes? BASED

[storm jungle]

the dark secret thing was obviously the Fallen but this was back in the day when "gay haha" was the top humoruous thing

now that we are in a bit of a more progressive age its more just a silly side joke for most people lol

[crisp heath]

The lion has been passed out on a trash pile behind a gay bar for the last 10,000 years and you're wondering why he looks a little more ragged than Guilliman?

[storm jungle]

something-something silver fox

[spare osprey]

lion would prob bang a dude, just never cared to get with anyone.

hopin farsight changes that

[storm jungle]

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/40k-warhammer-tts-kitten-canon-gif-16263403

[storm jungle]

Also @plush mason very recommended watch

https://youtu.be/_u_nsUds7Jw

[spare osprey]

some of the fan art for old man lion is just great

big fan of this one

[storm jungle]

Killinger was the artist for Wrath and Glory too iirc

[viral halo]

Old man lion looks great

[crisp heath]

I like his younger design a lot more, just not wild about distinguished older gentlemen

But he doesn't look bad by any means at all

[viral halo]

hes just tywin

[plush mason]

ngl i wish GW could make armor looking like this lol

[spare osprey]

dude's got a whole scene in his book where he just skins a dead beast

straight up tywin

[crisp heath]

I am nervous about what they'll do to Russ. I really do hate the "Odin" theory, since Magnus already has that covered and did it in a much more interesting way than Leman would.

[storm jungle]

I'd say dont expect too much radical changes

I legit doubt they are brave enough to go full half-wulfen Russ or w/e

[spare osprey]

i'd agree. young lion wise this gotta be my fav art. i just enjoy his armor a bit more

[crisp heath]

I wouldn't mind werewolf Russ, but I don't like the way Wulfen look

[storm jungle]

dont make me post the Wulfen Dreadnaught

[crisp heath]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/6/66/LionElJonson2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20191123041002

I like this one, he looks very regal

[spare osprey]

leman is in for a hell of a time if he come's back lookin like old school wulfen

[storm jungle]

Oh man

I got the entire lineup of those drawings

hold on

[crisp heath]

The one and only primarch I need to see mutated the fuck out is Corax

a humanoid raven monstrosity would be such a sick model

[storm jungle]

Extremely sane gentlemen

[spare osprey]

ah ye, lord of the first artwork

good book

[crisp heath]

I mean just look at this fanmade mini

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fqjgmk8wgjzo91.jpg

We need the bird boy

I have such high hopes for Corax and I look forward to having them dashed uwu

[plush mason]

Lorgar being based on Logos is strange to me lol

[storm jungle]

Primarch names really can go anywhere from "We came up with this in a bar" to "deep historical reference"

[plush mason]

Logos being logic and deductive reasoning where as Lorgar was just a man of pure blind idiot faith

[crisp heath]

Plato moment

Honestly though Lorgar being Logos would make sense if it were the case

It's standard practice to translate Logos in the new testament as "The Word"

Ergo, Word Bearers

[plush mason]

that makes a lot more sense yeah

because the other use for the word is something completely different to the biblical one lol

[crystal forum]

i like to believe that if lion shaved his hair it would regrow with colour again

people keep saying he looks older but all i see is white hair

and even if he did get extra wrinkles how would that makes sense? He slept through the millenia without using his facial muscles

[native charm]

I thought the collapse of the Aeldari happened long before the 30th millenium. Didn't know it happened two thousand years before the Horus Heresy.

[green loom]

Aw man it happened again

Stop having fun arguments when I sleep

[normal light]

They will continue

To have them

While you sleep

[silver pollen]

The decay of their empire took quite the time - otherwise humanity would have never reached DAOT level. It happened just because knife-ears were too busy with murderfucking a chaos god into existence.

[storm jungle]

Humanity beat them to the punch by only a 7 year speedrun

[queen laurel]

i like this tech priest, spoiler because it's from brutal Kunnin

||< Interrogative: what is that? > Zaefa asked in astonishment.
< It is a miniaturised lascannon, > Addenbrow replied, as a targeting
device dropped over their right ocular implant. < It lacks a little of the
punch and range of the Mars Mk VII, but I find it quite adequate for most
circumstances. >
< It was my understanding that you were unaware of the orkoid presence
here, > Mitranda said.
< I was. >
< And yet you are equipped with the very item you declared most suitable
for the current threat? >
< In my experience, there are very few hostile threats that can’t be at least
partially resolved by the judicious application of a lascannon, > ||

[green loom]

https://x.com/watchmeanimate/status/1706861896631005354?s=20

John Animates (@watchmeanimate)

// animating a shot for ASTARTES (FINAL)

Turn on the 🔊 and enjoy sounds of Gaunts getting destroyed by our fav Marines!

btw - this looks final but it's not! .....it's all I can say for now! ;)

Appreciate you reading and sharing! 🫶 - maybe if we repost it enough and get…

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hmmmm

The guy has progress shots, looks like the teaser Syama put out for A2 was a big collab?

[storm jungle]

Wait...

hm let me check youtube

https://youtu.be/4aTFVoAGQBI?t=5

yeah nah literally exactly the same scene

nothing even extended

[green loom]

His account has a bunch of progress shots

But it's weird idk

Don't trust checkmarks by default

Apparently he did the Gaunts?

[silver pollen]

?

[storm jungle]

Dooming the entire human race into extinction and providng the chaos gods with their greatest champions and being their greatest followers

lol

Its you know, kinda due to them that the entire galaxy is fucked and split in half right now.

[storm jungle]

Ah yeah that might make sense

[green loom]

Like he has super early stuff there

And looks like he mainly does monstrous stuff

Between this and Syama making a post on his patreon recently about him being alive, I am moderately sus

[storm jungle]

Hes also working on a personal project that he announced like a year ago iirc

its all very sus

[green loom]

Codex is out soon as well

[silver pollen]

1. Emperor's crusade took more than 7 years.
2. Technically whole Great Crusade of Emperor is the equivalent of one warband starting to forcibly unite other societies in the world of Mad Max.
3. Galaxy was fucked twice - firstly by the Old Ones, then by pointy-ears. By the time, Emperor started doing his things, Slaanesh was born and other three warp-amoebas were awoken and quite active.

[green loom]

The heresy is what was so short

[storm jungle]

^

[storm jungle]

And the Emperor still didn't do anything better

lol

also yeah the Great Crusade took long, I'm referencing the Horus Heresy

[queen laurel]

the list of problems he would have fixed if he was a better father

[storm jungle]

Or just a smart person

[queen laurel]

it's not exactly the smallest of margins

[storm jungle]

or a well written character

https://tenor.com/view/list-to-do-long-first-list-of-things-gif-4577829

[queen laurel]

Bro is built like a Fortnite premium skin

[storm jungle]

OOF

gonna note that one down

[pine wedge]

what do you dislike about his characterization?

[terse flume]

it's not exactly like a mad max warband, the emperor had been watching and manipulating the direction of humanity for thousands of years by that point