40k-lore-chat

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah dilara, can super specialized hive tyrant stop a bane blade

Like just stop the thing from moving by standing in front of it and catching it

[storm jungle]

Less catch but it can definitely cut into it, Hive Tyrant's get lots of OP weapons

one tyranid artwork literally shows a Tyrant stabbing into a space marine Rhino

[queen laurel]

i was making an 8 meter tall hive tyrant with Wrecker Claws for the upper arms and for the lower arms having crushing claws

You know specialize in brute forcing his way through things

[green loom]

I doubt guard bother but marines sometimes actively purify relics taken from chaos/renegade warbands

Like Logan Grimnar's axe is a straight up daemon weapon

The power fists Calgar uses were purified iirc

[queen laurel]

how can a space marine that's not even a gray knight hold that thing for a long time without showing any side effects

[storm jungle]

by being:

• A Space Wolf

• A Mary Sue

[queen laurel]

There was a character that was a grey knight that was also using demon weapon right

[storm jungle]

Castellan Crowe ye

[queen laurel]

Even that guy had the problem of keeping that demon in check

then this guy is just holding that thing no problem

[green loom]

They just stuck some wolf heads over the khorne symbol, problem solved

[green loom]

Tbf that's not a fair comparison

Grimnar's axe is pretty bog standard as far as daemon weapons go

Antwyr is literally a minor god that attracts greater daemons

[queen laurel]

and of course Fenris has it's own magic

[queen laurel]

yeah it's still a demon weapon though

[green loom]

I'm actually super stoked for the update

Hopefully it's gonna be fun

Need me some fresh inspiration

[storm jungle]

Its definitely gonna be a make it or break it update

but it sounds very big so we'll see

[green loom]

I think the only thing that'll

Break it

Is if the extra abilities they're adding just either

Suck

Or are janky

Though I'm hoping they're good, really excited for knife zealot

[queen laurel]

I am very excited to throw this giant grenade to the face of the poor son of bitch in front of me

It's gonna be crazy

[storm jungle]

kek

[green loom]

I'm hoping they finally give us the fkn

Vet armour with the tac gear

[celest dome]

Wasn't it leaked to be part of the Squad Leader Penance back a few month ago ?

[green loom]

Looks like it

[cerulean wagon]

guard still bother, thats hadrons whole schtick in darktide

[cerulean wagon]

generally speaking given how important hive tyrants are they probably wouldn't frontally take on a baneblade

could probably get through the armour with some effort tho

[queen laurel]

It was a desperate situation and the general decided to use the bane blade they have to spearhead the assault, my home brew hive fleet was absolutely battering the defenders, so he had the smart idea to try to use the bane blade as a battering ram to get to the hive tyrant in order to cause problems for the Hive fleet, but my Hive Tyrant just stopped the thing on its tracks

That was what I was thinking writing that

[cerulean wagon]

generally speaking hive tyrants would be a bit small to do that, but the fun with nids is you can ignore what the general rule of thumb is and just make a bigger hive tyrant

[normal light]

Maybe he could stop it , but like pointblank shot from bane blade armaments would be very painful and probably kill tyrant

[queen laurel]

My hive tyrant is basically just a carnifex with extra steps, it's upper body arms are wrecker claws

[queen laurel]

Oh don't worry he has a special move for that

[normal light]

Nah I don`t think he could create such wave that can hurl around a Bane Blade

[queen laurel]

yeah but the Ground cracking could slow it down

for him to stop it

[normal light]

Slow down a Super-Heavy Tank that is already cracking ground under his weight

sounds funny

I mean that Tyrant could stop Bane Blade from moving forward

but in practise Tyrant then would had a 1 meter hole in his chest that doesn`t go with being alive

[queen laurel]

Yeah so that's what happened in the story, the bane blade was low on ammo, without much of a choice they decided to use it as a battering ram, but Hive tyrant caught it

[normal light]

Using low on ammo tank as a battering ram , geniuos Imperial Tank Commanders

[queen laurel]

It's a common enough strategy so hey it's not that outlandish

The imperium has done that

[normal light]

True , my chaos rhino run over Lilith Hesperax using tank shock

Chaos needs more casual vehicles

made some variants for casual mortlas

[queen laurel]

My hive tyrant is from my personal hive fleet that has this as a gimmick

Warrior Physiology:

The Tyranids of Hivefleet Bakunawa are renowned for their muscular physique and robust muscle fibers. Even the lowly gaunts within this hive fleet are known to possess astonishing strength, capable of smashing through reinforced metal doors with alarming ease. Their physical prowess is such that they can stagger even the mighty Space Marines, sending shockwaves through the ranks of their adversaries

a gaunt from this hive fleet can tackle with enough force to stagger a space marine

[normal light]

How it looks from Space Marine perspective

https://tenor.com/view/pug-pug-baby-baby-pug-funny-dog-funny-pug-gif-15891224

[pine wedge]

this one? I thought that was a carnifex

[storm jungle]

Oh shit it is

[pine wedge]

that's a classic though

[storm jungle]

My muscle memory just acted up because they almost look exact

[pine wedge]

I had the codex with that artwork in it

way back when teen hank tried to get into the miniature painting

[storm jungle]

And back when codexes were full of life and character 😔

[pine wedge]

and thought that a tyranid battleforce would be a good first purchase (it was not. painting between ribs is a nightmare.)

should've bought a squad of space marines first smh

[pine wedge]

they're not anymore?

[storm jungle]

Oof you should see the new nid codex

Ton of recycled art, barely any page illustrations, every page basically has the same lore, and the cover is the same as 9th edition

[shadow plover]

This messes me up, is that mirrored?

[storm jungle]

yeah it is

[shadow plover]

Ah better

[pine wedge]

what the fuck.

@native radish why did you buy it then

already obsolete AND not interesting to look at?

[storm jungle]

Oh the rules and shit are good (i think, thats what my friends said)

but the lore and presentation is LEGIT dogwater

[native radish]

Didnt know it was that bad when buying it 😄

[storm jungle]

LMAOOO

[native radish]

Also

I don't really care. WIll look nice on the shelf 😄

[pine wedge]

RIP

[storm jungle]

mfers be like

"Oh nice 9th edition codex"

"Its 10th edition"

[native radish]

The dice are nice thou.

[shadow plover]

yeah I've never really read any of the lore bits in any of the codexes in how many years I've done this

codexes are for the rules

it's nice but not mandatory

[storm jungle]

Lore is just as important

along with presentation and artwork

you uncultured fu-

[shadow plover]

well there are other sources for that

[storm jungle]

Codexes were and still are kinda the main source for it

it adds flavor and gets you in the mood to play the game

[shadow plover]

I want easy to read codexes with a good glossary and less pages

core rule book still does it really well

the lore bits

which is fine

[storm jungle]

Yeah but thats general and really glosses over factions that aren't the Imperium.

People wanting their faction codexes to have new bits to read has always been a thing.

[shadow plover]

for sure but most just buy them for rules

[storm jungle]

Yeah but that doesn't give any less reason for them to have new fluff to read

[shadow plover]

I'm sure there's SOME new stuff especially now that the nids are the main baddies of this edition

[pine wedge]

pfffft yes it is

[shadow plover]

honestly the worst part is cover artwork recycling

[storm jungle]

I dont think ive EVER seen GW recycle a codex cover in years

I know they have done it in the past but not to this level

[shadow plover]

they did it with marines in 8th iirc

[storm jungle]

its literally the same fucking cover down to the like

font, borders etc

I had so many friends complaining "is this 9th edition or not?" lmao

[pine wedge]

there's some cool art featuring the new super saiyan 6 ultra instinct killing machines

[storm jungle]

Thats one of the best new artworks

shame theres only like 1-3 😩

[native radish]

Don't you see they added the COOL logo into the BG!?

[shadow plover]

Yeah I really like that one, it's in the leviathan core book as well

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

A shame they aren't grabbing any of the baller freelancers they usually grab to make more stuff

[cerulean wagon]

im sorry, your friend lied

10th edition is the most unbalanced 40k has been in years

[green loom]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/943204401521254480/1154642983858212914/3-1.gif

It's so silly doe

[cerulean wagon]

thats the wild bit

[storm jungle]

LMAOOO

[cerulean wagon]

they're still grabbing them

no idea where they are putting them

[cerulean wagon]

https://www.belloflostsouls.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/40k-win-rate-8-8-2023.jpg

the win rates per faction

red means its in a really bad balance state

[storm jungle]

Goddamn thats messed up

Also F for dwarves

[queen laurel]

I really expected the votann to have something considering their the new guys on the block but

[shadow plover]

those were before the latest balance pass weren't they

[queen laurel]

God damn they got hoed

[cerulean wagon]

they did at launch, they were super overpowered

50% chance to autowound was nutty

but then 10e reset them

like

so, eldar

[hallow saddle]

Yep

[shadow plover]

yeah because the latest balance stuff did seem pretty great

[cerulean wagon]

you have a fate dice pool, 12 dice you roll at the start of the match that you can use at any point to replace any roll you make

[shadow plover]

and they seem to be doing those pretty regularly now

[cerulean wagon]

yes but its still not addressed some major issues

[shadow plover]

not once every quarter

like what?

[normal light]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1131632894314549411/1135499411506597928/speed-2.gif

[green loom]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1130865977194717264/1147371756600971274/meme.gif

[cerulean wagon]

eldar can still generate near infinite auto 6 dice

[shadow plover]

but they are limited in using them

[normal light]

I played against Votann

they have some power in them

mainly 5 toughness on all units

[cerulean wagon]

limited use doesn't matter if you can slap it on some of the best weapons in the game

[normal light]

and funny stratagems and grudge tokens

[normal light]

Death Jester with dices on overwatch

Can kill have of a squad of space marines in 1 row

[shadow plover]

they did nerf overwatch a bit as well

[normal light]

Naah

Aeldari are still powerful and unbalanced

[green loom]

This is simply a bid to sell more eldar

[normal light]

Sister of Battle have balance version of fate dices

[queen laurel]

I don't play the tabletop but it's fun to watch about it

Even though i don't know a lot about it

[cerulean wagon]

the eldar one wouldn't be so scuffed

if they didn't generate more on kill

and farseers didn't convert all fate dice into 6s

ontop of still having cheaper vehicles than the guard

[green loom]

Everyone remembers that one time Iron Hands stopped being meta and immediately flooded ebay

[cerulean wagon]

[normal light]

Solituare is just a meme 30" charge on a 48" field

[cerulean wagon]

average meta chasing moment

[shadow plover]

they explained the choices they made for the latest balance slate pretty well in the community article video so I'm pretty content with the changes over all

[normal light]

Also lone operative (can shoot at him if you within 12" of him) and 3+ Invul Save

[pine wedge]

introduce new faction
they're OP
completely dumpster their rules within 3 years and kill them stone dead

outstanding move.

[cerulean wagon]

3 years? try less than 12 months

[pine wedge]

I erred on the side of covid

because I have no concept of time anymore

[cerulean wagon]

lmao

[normal light]

Aeldari meta is Wraith army

[green loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBFgZzYEr-8&ab_channel=Warhammer

It WAS an april fools joke after all

[normal light]

Votanns have a small amount of models compeared to other armies

and low versatility in them

but their units pack a punch

[hallow saddle]

votann have a second wave of models to come, a novel being written, they're not killed

[green loom]

Still no veteran beret

I cri

[storm jungle]

They are absolutely killed because some people lost some matches with them

absolutely gives GW the reason to entirely delete this model line they've been working on for years

[hallow saddle]

Their rules were bad for 3 months, game over everyone

[queen laurel]

The way GW handles things in tabletop is if this thing is too good beat it to a pulp until it can no longer walk with its legs, if it's too weak give it a few potions to see how it goes, also heres another 5 space marine models

[cerulean wagon]

okay but imagine

the books flop so GW dont release the models

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

that would be a shame, because i want to see the direction and looks that their models will go

[spare osprey]

Yup

Yup yup

[storm jungle]

Yep yep yep yep yep

[queen laurel]

Alright time to show you my Hive Tyrant

Again you will review this and tell me anything I need to knock down a few pegs

[spare osprey]

👍

[queen laurel]

i don't want @storm jungle To suddenly break into my home and bomb me

[queen laurel]

Alright here's my the first description for my Hive Tyrant

The Lumbering Crusher: The Tyrant of Power

Background:

The Lumbering Crusher, a name that strikes fear into the hearts of those who have witnessed its devastating might on the battlefield, is the notorious Hive Tyrant leading the unstoppable Hivefleet Bakunawa. This monstrous behemoth is renowned for its insatiable appetite for destruction, leaving a trail of devastated planets and shattered defenses in its wake. The mere sight of The Lumbering Crusher is enough to send planetary defenders into a state of panic, knowing that they face an unstoppable force of nature.

Appearance:

The Lumbering Crusher is an imposing figure, standing at a colossal 8 meters tall. Its robust and muscular physique dwarfs even the most fearsome of Hive Tyrants. Adorned in the colors of Hive Fleet Bakunawa, it presents a terrifying visage on the battlefield. A single, large, razor-sharp horn juts from its skull, a testament to its dominance.

Its upper arms are massive Wrecker Claws, capable of tearing through armored vehicles and fortifications with ease. The lower arms house Crushing Claws, designed to reduce infantry and vehicles alike to mangled wreckage. Its powerful tail sports a Spiked Wrecking Ball, a weapon capable of knocking tanks aside or outright crushing them under its brutal weight.

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/nod-kermit-nod-nodding-gif-24624072

Name reminds me of something outta how to train your dragon

[queen laurel]

alright the now for the fighting styles and the abilities

Fighting Style:
The Lumbering Crusher fights with a ferocity and brutality that mirrors its appearance. It smashes through anything that stands in its path with ruthless efficiency, showing no mercy to its foes. Its weapons are extensions of its sheer power, allowing it to reduce even the most fortified positions to rubble.

Abilities:

Brute Strength: The Lumbering Crusher's primary asset is its unimaginable physical strength. Its large Wrecker Claws and Crushing Claws allow it to effortlessly tear through fortifications, armored vehicles, and infantry. It has even been known to halt the mighty Bane Blade in its tracks, a feat that few can comprehend. The Wrecking Ball tail is a terrifying tool of destruction, capable of knocking tanks about or obliterating them with a single strike.

Bioplasma: This Hive Tyrant can unleash scorching hot bioplasma, albeit with limited range. This deadly weapon is perfect for obliterating armored vehicles and annihilating heavily fortified positions while advancing.

Psychic Potential: The Lumbering Crusher harnesses its psychic powers creatively. It can unleash a devastating Warp Blast, but it also employs its psychic abilities to enhance its already fearsome weaponry. By coating its weapons in a psychic field, it amplifies their destructive potential

[spare osprey]

Alr sorry had to do something

Lemme read this rq

[queen laurel]

no problem

[spare osprey]

Big heavy hitter

I like

[queen laurel]

yeah, and finally for his special skills

Stone Tsunami: This awe-inspiring ability sees The Lumbering Crusher charging both of its Wrecker Claws with psychic energy, slamming them into the ground simultaneously. The result is a seismic shockwave that surges forward, capable of climbing terrain and sending anything in its path hurtling through the air, including armored vehicles.

Crushing Blast: The Hive Tyrant can focus its psychic energy into one Wrecker Claw, delivering a single devastating punch to the ground. The result is a localized shockwave that pulverizes everything in its immediate vicinity, reducing structures, infantry, and vehicles to dust

[spare osprey]

Magic punch

If Gandalf worked out

And was a bug

[queen laurel]

Yeah so he's entire shctick is he is very strong, to the point that he can stop a bane blade from moving

[spare osprey]

Pretty solid schtick

[queen laurel]

And I think I succeeded in making a hive tyrant fitting for Bakunawa

[spare osprey]

I’d say so

[queen laurel]

Yes as usual thanks for answering this question, when I'm makingg my own personal OC for warhammer that is not an ork I tend to ask you

Because I rarely if ever venture out of my comfort faction

[spare osprey]

Ye np. Not big on nids but I hope Im still helping

[queen laurel]

oh trust me, you've helped me plenty

[spare osprey]

[crystal forum]

do books with primaris marines in them often mention all the different types of units that exist on tabletop now

like heavy intercessors and stuff

[storm jungle]

Yes

thats one part of writing for BL that you need to do for markeitng reasons

[arctic talon]

Funnily enough they don’t mention their guns though lol

They’re just called bolters/plasma guns

[crystal forum]

im trying to imagine what equipment primaris soul drinkers would use

definitely no vehicles that's for sure

[arctic talon]

Tbh I’d assume they have like the “normal” assortment

Like intercessors, hellblasters Ect.

Could get creative though

[crystal forum]

they're specialized in ship boarding

i havent read the most recent books about them being primaris yet

but they had nearly no terminators

no dreadnoughts either

it feels so weird to paint these units as soul drinkers

[arctic talon]

Tbh they’d prolly have the new dreads

Regardless from the big “starter kit” Cawl gives them

Terminator armor yeah that’s gona be weird

[crystal forum]

is that really how it went? cawl just gave astartes a ton of shit?

[arctic talon]

Not really

But freshly founded chapters always get a fresh set of equipment

Either from a local forgeworld or a parent chapter

[crystal forum]

primaris soul drinkers might as well be a new chapter. they were pretty much completely wiped out at the end of their saga

[arctic talon]

Usually doesn’t include a lot of terminator armor though

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[crystal forum]

i still need to figure out how i'll do the chapter rules

nobody knows what their founding chapter is

i could go with imperial fists though because they thought they were sons of dorn. it's stated though that they're 100% not from his gene stock

[coarse pumice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EV6oVjm9rs

[dawn dune]

Don't know why the new commissar cosmetics hat looks like the top is made out of cushions instead of actual hat material.

[undone zodiac]

New commisar is very uninspired agreed

[vast heart]

Still think Dark Mechanicus is objectively the best way to introduce Skaven to 40k

It just makes sense, I don't even feel like you have to go crazy on retcons or adjustments,

chaos mutates them into beastial ratmen, you could even make them a beastmen variety, they're already cooked in the head bc they're mechanicus and you add warp insanity and corruption and you probably end up with something with a skaven's personality, the whole incense censer and robes thing is already a big part of mechanicus aesthetic as well as random metal shit grafted on and random mutations,

they love infighting and screwing each other over (mechanicus has a lot of this in its leadership, they're like necrons and squabble for power pretty often)

They build unwieldy (probably highly radioactive as well as chaos corrupted) machines and daemon engines that are highly likely to backfire and I'd imagine them filling a kind of "warlock" playstyle where you do a lot of self damage(or at least risk it pretty often like Orks) and can give yourself powerful buffs and attacks at the cost of wounds or sacrificing units. Like a horde army where the cannon fodder is essentially just tossed into a blender and the resulting smoothie gets handed to their elite units for buffs

Would also be nice to add a bit of worldbuilding on the idea certain races are a little more favoured by/fall to certain gods more easily bc I could see dark admech skaven falling to Vashtorr or Nurgle like 95% of the time with a few outliers. Kinda like how Laer largely follow slaanesh and there's that one race that are basically khorne worshippers with no knowledge of khorne, could even have them "build" a mechanical chaos god (Great horned rat) to challenge the others if GW ever decided to do anything remotely interesting with chaos that might advance the state of worldbuilding at all

[green loom]

How about we just get dark Mech

[vast heart]

You can have both, how does a lil chaos corruption make them not dark admech, skaven already match the faction well enough you could just put rat faces on the mechanicus models and it'd work

[celest dome]

Ratmech should be something people kitbash. Not something that should be in lore

[echo vault]

Leaked footage from GW HQ

[storm jungle]

Skaven should and will stay in fantasy where they belong

YEET

[queen laurel]

GW looking for a new way to earn money

"why did I suddenly hear a good idea?"

I'm going to be honest I feel like they are going to have a lot of overlaps with the other faction because a lot of their specialty is taken

Everyone uses hyper advanced technology

There are assassins

There are multiple factions that are willing to use monsters

Their way of warfare just wouldn't make them unique in warhammer

40k

[celest dome]

It's not really a new idea

[celest dome]

There are reasons the Imperium is often called Skaven but 40k

[queen laurel]

Yeah the imperium has a good chunk of the clans tactics of warfare

You have Assassin's, technology a bunch more

[echo vault]

C'mon guys the pancreas video on the imperium being space skaven came out 12 hours ago we gotta pick up the passion, space skaven can be called ratten america

[terse flume]

it would be funny if it was an inversion

[echo vault]

Surprised there isn't a mechanicus character that's characterized like thrott the unclean, maybe that can be kelbor hal he hasn't been doing shit for 10,000 years in the eye of terror

[terse flume]

and the skaven are like, long lived and super intellegent

but infertile

[celest dome]

You mean the Eldar ?

[terse flume]

make them all the desendants of a long lost DAOT research facility

right but moreso

make them like, not warlike at all

[celest dome]

Then they'd be dead in 40k

[echo vault]

Maybe under the helmet of those votann robots is a skaven controlling the suit

[terse flume]

right they're smart enough to hide or something. that's what i would do, not make them a faction make them a curiosity

[echo vault]

A tiny lil rat in a hamster wheel is what's controlling them

[terse flume]

cause if the "skaven" role is filled you gotta flip it

make them literally pinky and the brain

[echo vault]

You can also turn it on it's side too

[terse flume]

like at some point literal lab rats, and had the characteristics of fantasy skaven, but they've been enlightened and now want to stay the fuck away from everyone in 40k

[rain elm]

My friend once brought up that Skaven really could just randomly pop out from under a hive city at any moment if they were in the setting as their introduction

[storm jungle]

A faction just randomly appearing is not really a good origin story

https://tenor.com/view/somehow-palpatine-returned-somehow-palpatine-poe-dameron-poe-gif-20849141

[green loom]

"They were in the halo stars this entire time"

Votaan energy ngl

[storm jungle]

Votann to be fair had a previous presence in the setting

Skaven literally didnt go beyond a Jes Goodwin sketch

lmao

[celest dome]

Also there is already a faction that is used for the "randomly pop up from under a hive"

[storm jungle]

yeah Skaven have no place in 40k

GSC do half the shit they do

[queen laurel]

Yeah, like at least that one had to use dratk age of technology tech to get into a hard to reach area

[celest dome]

And the imperium does the other half

[queen laurel]

The galactic core is no place for a vacation

[rain elm]

I'm not saying it'd be good, but I'm saying it could happen

[storm jungle]

Yeah but theres no need for it

[rain elm]

Yeah

I just randomly remembered my friend bringing it up

[queen laurel]

Hey dilara, It's possible for a tyranid to evolve the ability to speak right

[storm jungle]

Uhhh kinda but they would never do that

[queen laurel]

With the amount of creatures they absorbed I'm pretty sure the ability to vocalize one of them so that's something to think about but of course they don't need to talk

[storm jungle]

yeah pretty much

[echo vault]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-movie-jerma-lore-mystery-of-the-mayan-treasure-pier-rats-gif-16375444

They're coming

[storm jungle]

There will be no giant rats who make the rules on my watch

[echo vault]

No his name is boneripper

[queen laurel]

That rat ogre tasted like chicken

Surprisingly pretty delicious but you just have to boil off the bacteria

[terse flume]

this is zoat erasure

the diplomats for the tyranids, the mindless endless devouring swarm of monsters, who are big centaur guys

[green loom]

Does this mean you're the giant rat who makes all of the rules?

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

ohh yeah these guys

In warhammer fantasy they look like dragon ogres but more dragon

[terse flume]

they were for some reason the diplomats for the tyrnids at one point

Zoats are a centauroid, engineered slave race of the Tyranids, whose stocky build better enables them for ground combat[1] and their advanced intellect allow them to act as ambassadors.[4] Despite Zoats being bio-constructs of the Tyranids, should a Zoat somehow escape the influence of the the Hive Mind, it may escape or rebel against the Tyranids and pursue their own agendas.[1]

[green loom]

My reaction to this information

[terse flume]

see as someone who loves the setting for how dumb it is, zoat is goat

[echo vault]

Zoats are in Blackstone fortress too they're just kinda doing science stuff there

Zoat business

[green loom]

Zoatness

[queen laurel]

I love how the hive mind went

I know your kind wants diplomacy and all but here you go diplomacy I mean I'm gonna kill you but it's still diplomacy

[terse flume]

i had an ongoing bit whenever someone would make a weapon balance argument based on lore that whatever stupid broken bullshit i was using was canonically used by zoat assassins for it's efficiency and was as such extremely lore accurate

good times

[green loom]

But da looooore!!!!

[celest dome]

In that case, both human, Elf and Greenskin exist in both setting

[terse flume]

imperial records differ

canon is whatever you want it to be

look at the squats, it could be in 5 years time we'll finally finally get a playable zoat faction and it will all be real

[green loom]

Brb writing Greyfax fanon

[celest dome]

The only Greyfax lore that is cannon is her being a Tsundere for Celestine

[spare osprey]

i've had this chat with friends before

we agreed that the only real way you could see a nid talk

is a lictor

they suck out the brains of the dude's they hunt and for a bit are connected to all the functions of the body and brain

so they could use that to lure another target

[queen laurel]

" foul tyranid, I the mighty servant of the emperor shall become a martyr if you kill me "

lictor: " your ways of entertaining yourself shall be leaked on public "

" jesus christ alright i'll surrender the planet to the tyranids just don't leak it "

[normal light]

That why you always have a frag grenade with you

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/muppet-family-christmas-muppets-sesame-street-laughing-laugh-gif-15746499

little ventriloquism

[crisp heath]

Any sign of the khan returning?

My fav dude and I have just not heard anything about him or the white scars in a while

[storm jungle]

White Scars still get lore

Khan is in limbo until he needs to return for more miniature-money

[green loom]

Jag or Jubal

Since poor ol Jubal is in literal limbo

[queen laurel]

Ok if i remember the most well-preserved primarch were the lion and guilliman

What about the other guys

I don't remember the more clearly i don't care about horus heresy enough

[crisp heath]

Khan never died on screen

Er

Paper

So he’s probably well preserved chilling with the dark eldar

[shadow plover]

He literally did though

but he was revived

[crisp heath]

I mean like dead like dork (dorn)

I do kinda hate revives though cause it makes death less impactful

[queen laurel]

Literally why lucius the eternal is such a bitch

Cheating ass motherfucker

[arctic talon]

Typhus and Ahriman are the big 2 “mortal” chaos champions who haven’t been resurrected

[crystal forum]

ferrus manus will come back any moment now

[arctic talon]

[echo vault]

They need to strap him to a bike or a dreadnought with bikes for legs so he can just go around and still fight

[crisp heath]

So I’m wondering, custodes are all super incorruptible, super intelligent as well as being amazingly talented artists and poets and stuff.

If one custodes was assigned as governor to each world in the imperium could they revive the corpse the imperium is now?

[near wasp]

Well theres 1million worlds qnd only 10k custodes but things would probably improve. Idk about reviving it though sinces its deviated so much from its intended design

[storm jungle]

Theres no way any imperial governor would really listen to them in the long run

[near wasp]

Im pretty sure in this instance they would replace the governor

[storm jungle]

Running a planet is not a task a custodes can do believe me

[crisp heath]

Well the custodes speak with the emperors voice, I’m pretty sure they can just remove them from the equation

[storm jungle]

they are generals and war leaders

[crisp heath]

I always thought the custodes were made to run the show once the wars were over

[near wasp]

They are also dipomats

[crisp heath]

Since the space marines are just tools of war basically

Custodes seen a lot more then that

[green loom]

Custards are Emps' companions

I.e. they accompany him

[storm jungle]

The Emperor always wanted humanity to run itself

the issue is he never realised humans are awful lmao

[green loom]

Running things ain't they job

[storm jungle]

also even during the Dark Age of Technology humanity was pretty bad

they just had access to more WMDs and technology

[crisp heath]

Which is why I thought the custodes were made to rule once the wars were won

[storm jungle]

Yeah they werent

[crisp heath]

Incorruptible

[storm jungle]

Custodes dont make for political leaders

[crisp heath]

Next step for humanity

[storm jungle]

Custodes werent the next step

[near wasp]

Custodes were made for an era that never came

[storm jungle]

^

The Emperor's plan was to help humanity ascend to a psychic race like the eldar.

The problem is he was basically roman-hitler lol

[green loom]

Custodes were like, slightly more free-thinking versions of yes man from new vegas

[crisp heath]

I wonder if the emperor was genuinely evil or it was all just way too much for one person to handle

[storm jungle]

He was evil

[crisp heath]

And tbf, it’s a whole hell of a lot

[storm jungle]

galactic genocide and human supremacy is kinda the glaring point

and forcing other human civilizations to forcefully join you lol

[queen laurel]

Did you see how that guy treated his son after his son made him god even though he could have just talked him down?

It was not something a good father would do

[crisp heath]

Him letting angrons revolt just be massacred

Makes me reconsider

[queen laurel]

Also the other time he let his son's people died because he only want his son

[green loom]

That's the most glaring thing?

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

Not the numerous civilizations he burnt down?

[storm jungle]

the Emperor also massively suffers from being a shittily written character between multiple authors

so hes overall just a bad character

[green loom]

Like in Horus rising

[queen laurel]

i would rather jump off the tallest point of a hive city than to deal with the emperor himself

[green loom]

You see Horus second guessing Emps' orders

[crisp heath]

Angron mention was kinda the last time I’ve heard of the emperor in YouTube videos I’ve seen

[green loom]

Because per orders if a human group is "too corrupted" by aliens, they're kill on sight

[crisp heath]

Haven’t seen any that go into detail on hin

So the emperor wouldn’t allow the eldar to join the imperium if they submitted?

[green loom]

If they encounter a human group and they don't immediately bend the knee, they get massacred until they submit

[crisp heath]

It’s only humans

[green loom]

If they encounter aliens there's NO contact made, they're just genocided

[green loom]

Hed just kill them most likely

[queen laurel]

Yeah they possess too much goodshit to let go

[green loom]

Or tell them to fuck off

Eldar are a dying race regardless so it makes no real difference

Emps' cares about his vision for humanity, not humanity as a whole

[queen laurel]

Yeah he wanted to make an empire He see fit not an empire that would allow all of its people to be happy

[green loom]

It's not like the modern imperium is that much different from the old one beyond things getting worse, the basis for 90% of the problems was already there

[queen laurel]

Like how much of the imperiums problem would have not been caused if he was a better father is quite significant

[crisp heath]

I wonder if his dream was ever possible

Or was he doomed to fail

[green loom]

See I feel like that in particular is pretty redundant since Emps didn't really raise any of them

[crisp heath]

Humanity kinda did fall really hard

[green loom]

It was a gamble

Could it work? Maybe
Even if it did there'd probably be some pretty awful wars and creepy eugenics stuff going on

[queen laurel]

Yeah, but he could have at least tried to improve his relationships with them on ways that won't absolutely rip him apart

[crisp heath]

Everyone is now ten foot tall, no longer really human anymore. Also don’t look at that pit over there smelling of corpses it’s not important

Don’t ask where the infeeble went

Yeah I think I understand now

[green loom]

Yeah the imperium is a fascist hellscape no matter how you look at it, chasing nothing but Emps' übermensch pipe dream

[arctic talon]

You know the secondary goal of the great crusade was to exterminate every single alien in existence and any human who didn’t agree with him in the entire galaxy right

Didn’t matter how peaceful anyone is if you weren’t with the emperor you were mulch for the soil

[crisp heath]

Yeah I thought he was just like wanted to vassalize everything that didn’t bend the knee

[arctic talon]

Can’t have that

Such great last words from human civilizations such as “we just wanted to be left alone” and “you’ve damned us all”

The emperor really was a “nice” and “caring” person

[crisp heath]

Never said he was nice

Just wanted to know if he was malicious

[queen laurel]

Society if the emperor was nicer and had common sense

[arctic talon]

He wasn’t actively malicious towards humans

Technically

[crisp heath]

He wanted people to suffer just to suffer

[arctic talon]

He just thought he knew better then everyone else

[crisp heath]

Kinda stuff I was asking

[arctic talon]

Which uh turns out no

He didn’t know better

[queen laurel]

You would really think a guy that is the peak of humanity evolution would know the best but now he just think that blowing up planets that don't think he good is the best course of action

[arctic talon]

He didn’t blow up their planets tbf

He just slaughtered everyone on it

Big difference 🤓

[queen laurel]

Yeah that saves him some extra brownie points sure

[crisp heath]

So he was around forever. What part of humanity history do you think finally made him snap and say that violence is the only thing humans would understand

[arctic talon]

I think he was always quick to use violence to solve solutions

Is the short answer

He’s almost as old as the first actual homeo sapient

Also the tower of Babal was real in 40K and was being built using enuncia

His solution was to

Slaughter everyone and take the secrets of enuncia for himself

[queen laurel]

Yeah and out of all the methods he witnessed humanity used, violence and absolute power triumphs all of them

[crisp heath]

I’m starting to think he might not actually care for humanity

[arctic talon]

I’m gona be honest I think he just thinks violence is the most efficient solution to like almost everything

[arctic talon]

Oh he cares for humanity, he just doesn’t care for humans

[crisp heath]

Damn

Good line

[arctic talon]

His goal for humanity is to have it thrive across the stars

[queen laurel]

Yeah, because squeezing anything beneath you is an effective way of getting rid of it and we will totally not lead to dangerous consequences

[crystal forum]

nobody knows the emp's true motives and sometimes it does feel like he was just making stuff up as he went along

[arctic talon]

It def does lol

[crisp heath]

And he could see in the future I think too

[arctic talon]

Sorta

[crisp heath]

Oh its not all powerful stuff?

[arctic talon]

He could scry it

Like any powerful psyker

He predicted the heresy would occur in some way

[queen laurel]

It probably only sees fragments of the future

[arctic talon]

He’s not an actual god

[queen laurel]

Which he can use to determine some kind of problem

[queen laurel]

Yeah just a very very very powerful psyker, he actually hated being worshipped as a god

[crisp heath]

Good old lorgar

Poor guy

[queen laurel]

Yeah that one was a bit of a poopy move

[crisp heath]

Emperor absolutely shit the bed on that one

[crystal forum]

there's two large schools of thought in the lore community about the emp: the ones who think he did every action on purpose and the ones that think he made some errors

you'll see the wildest theories from the people who think the emperor did everything intentionally

[queen laurel]

He did not just shit the bed he, he decided to eat 2 taco bells worth of food and decide to obliterate the king size bed

[crisp heath]

Emperor is supposed to be some amazingly charismatic figure he absolutely could have whittled down lorgar in verbal debate

But he didn’t

Didn’t even care enough to try

[arctic talon]

The fact he didn’t see lorgar becoming a traitor is a real 💀

[crystal forum]

i think an important element of the emperor is that he made the mistake of trusting horus too much

[arctic talon]

He was expecting Curze, Angron and Mortarion to go traitor

[crisp heath]

Why curze?

[arctic talon]

He’s insane

[crystal forum]

idk why some people need to believe that it was part of his plan for horus to join chaos

[crisp heath]

He was a little edgy but

Oh

[arctic talon]

Like

[crisp heath]

Oh curze

[arctic talon]

Curze was

Genuinely batshit insane

[crisp heath]

I read the other C primarch

My bad

Corvus not sure

[arctic talon]

He also didn’t trust Khan

Or Corax lol

[crisp heath]

NOOO

My boy the khan

Is perfect

[arctic talon]

Because both of them had anti imperium views

[crystal forum]

angron is self explanatory

[crisp heath]

Angron makes me really sad

Literally never had a chance once in his life

[crystal forum]

i feel like his character was too one dimensional so GW decided to make his backstory more sympathetic

[spare osprey]

If we’re going trust. I think Emps “trusted” lion the most out of most the primarchs. Even in the short amount of time they had known each other

[queen laurel]

The eldar deciding to attack the baby was definitely the consequences of all time

[arctic talon]

The emperor trusted Lion and Horus the most

[crisp heath]

Didnt he like Russ to?

[arctic talon]

He didn’t trust Russ

He wasn’t hands off with Russ

[crystal forum]

didn't guilliman lose some favors by making a sub empire

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Lol

[crisp heath]

Oh I thought he liked how effective Russ was at doing his bidding

[arctic talon]

He did like that

[crisp heath]

And beating the shit out of things he didn’t like

[crystal forum]

russ was his attack dog

[arctic talon]

But he didn’t trust Russ to like

Go out on his own

[crisp heath]

Ahh

I getcha

[crystal forum]

you don't necessarily trust a hitman

[spare osprey]

I mean I’m trying to get my memory right

[arctic talon]

Lion was def very trusted

[spare osprey]

But emps said lion was above Horus in terms of “humbleness”

[crisp heath]

Now here’s a fun one, magnus

[arctic talon]

Big E was very hands off with him

[crisp heath]

He made a big mistake for sure

[arctic talon]

He actually liked magnus a lot lol

[crystal forum]

when you think about it the emperor really couldn't trust many of his sons

[arctic talon]

Shame magnus uh

Was a fucking dumbass

[crisp heath]

Yeah

[spare osprey]

Very much enjoy the time he taught lion about ancient Egypt

Very random

[arctic talon]

And kept messing with chaos

[spare osprey]

But very nice

[crisp heath]

Was magnus going to be sacrificed to power the golden throne?

He’s super strong yeah

[arctic talon]

He was built to endure it

[crisp heath]

But not the emperor

Oh damn

Magnus a beast

[arctic talon]

Magnus is the only person other then the emperor

Who could keep it like

Functional long term

[crystal forum]

even malcador couldn't do that

[arctic talon]

Top 3 living psykers in the setting are like

[crisp heath]

I need to find a good video going off about malcador

[arctic talon]

Emperor, Magnus, Eldrad

[crisp heath]

He seems really cool

[arctic talon]

Magnus and Eldrad are both 🤓

But that doesn’t really matter when it serves their needs

[crystal forum]

more like top 3 psykers of importance

[arctic talon]

True

They’re all very strong though

[queen laurel]

What about Khan

That guy is renowned in the community for being based

[arctic talon]

Khan wasn’t trusted because he didn’t like the imperium

He is based because he hates the imperium

[crisp heath]

Khan got the best trait from the emperor

Common sense

[queen laurel]

Based truly

[crisp heath]

Which actually

[crystal forum]

this one mutant in a soul drinker book who could mind control an entire sub sector and control dead bodies

[crisp heath]

Emperor might not have had at all

[arctic talon]

Like

The reason why Khan wasn’t trusted was because he literally has stated he doesn’t like the imperium

And he thinks it’s stupid and going to become corrupt

[crystal forum]

Khan's character trait is he knew how to keep to himself

[crisp heath]

Why I like him and the white scars

[arctic talon]

Also yeah he def was very

Insular

[crisp heath]

Also hit and run best tactic

[arctic talon]

The only time he’s ever been super out of character

Was the fulgrim thingy

The “strange things to your men”

Because he’s making fun of cancer treatment??????

Like the fuck lol

[crisp heath]

Fulgrim started it

But yeah it’s weird

[queen laurel]

That guy is a piece of work

[arctic talon]

Fulgrim did start it

[crystal forum]

it's pretty ironic that the chapter inspired by the most expansionist empire in history is super recluse and isolated

[arctic talon]

But like going from messing with ship to making fun of your brothers kids with super cancer lol

Is a jump

Also khan knowing about the super cancer thing in the first place is weird

Because almost no one knew other then like

[crisp heath]

I hear nothing of the khans combat expertise which is weird, he’s supposed to be insanely fast to where other primarchs would have a hard time tracking him

[arctic talon]

Mortarion lol

[crisp heath]

But the other big fighter primarchs could beat him

[arctic talon]

Tbh Khan isn’t a duelist

His goals are to mulch a crowd of people

[crystal forum]

dueling is like the opposite of what khan is good at

[arctic talon]

^

[queen laurel]

He's more of the brains type?

[arctic talon]

Yeah he ironically wasn’t on the field a ton

[crisp heath]

I figured the khan would just blitz his opponent and take them out in one shot

[arctic talon]

Because he trusted his sons to get it done

[crisp heath]

Run straight into his target and cut the throat before they could react

[crystal forum]

hit and run isn't about making a single effective push, it's slowly chipping away at the enemy with little losses on your side

[arctic talon]

^

[crystal forum]

you know, like horseback archers and shit

it dates farther back to the idea of a partisan yet the idea remains the same

[crisp heath]

What’s mortarions deal

[crystal forum]

why he hates the imperium?

[crisp heath]

He got a name carved into his heart by a grey knight

And beat by khan

And then once he finally gets a win and

||Beats guilliman||

It just gets reversed on him and completely blows up in his face

[shadow plover]

he gets beaten by Khan twice

[arctic talon]

He’s literally a loser

Both in terms of personality

And actual wins lol

[shadow plover]

granted the second time Khan pretty much dies as well

[crisp heath]

Wasn’t the second time in a demon form?

[arctic talon]

Mortarion is prolly the biggest jobber

Of all the daemon primarchs

[crystal forum]

i've seen some videos explaining mortarion and how complexe he is but to me i can't get over the fact that he's just bitter about everything

[crisp heath]

I mean honestly the dude just kinda

Over and over

[arctic talon]

Tbh the reason a lot of people like him

Is because he’s bitter

[crisp heath]

I’d be bitter too

[arctic talon]

And he’s an asshole

[shadow plover]

yeah all in all I like Mortarion even if he's a bit of a loser

[arctic talon]

He was always bitter though

[crisp heath]

When’s the last time he won though?

[crystal forum]

i guess that's respectable in 40k. i'd either be depressed or bitter too

[arctic talon]

Plague war was a strategic death guard victory

Same with warzone charadon

[crystal forum]

like you wonder how guilliman does it. he's the weird one for having hope

[arctic talon]

And with the war of rust and steel

Like he’s gotten plenty of large wins

He himself just takes the L often times lol

[crisp heath]

Sad

Especially since his model

[arctic talon]

Like he’s a good commander

[crisp heath]

So fucking fire

[arctic talon]

He’s also a good duelist post ascension

Shame he just takes L’s in duels lol

[crystal forum]

mortarion represents nurgle well. he might lose but decay eventually wins everything

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[crisp heath]

You can stave off the symptoms kinda deal?

But the disease gets you in the end

[shadow plover]

he's the least happy nurgle follower which is a bit funny

[crystal forum]

just decay as a concept in general

[arctic talon]

The charadon system is ruined for the imperium

He also like

[crystal forum]

everything decays

[arctic talon]

Took a nice bite out of perturabo’s empire in Nihlus

[crisp heath]

Perturbo constantly suffering is kinda funny

[arctic talon]

Mortarion Ironicially

Is a schemer

Like a big one lol

[crystal forum]

i don't understand perturabo

his motives are weird to me

[crisp heath]

He wants everyone to be as miserable as he is

[arctic talon]

Perturabo is

A weirdo

He’s bitter, spiteful, vindictive

[shadow plover]

Pert is fucking great

[arctic talon]

And I love him for it lol

[crisp heath]

He and curze are doomers

[arctic talon]

He’s just such an Asshole

[arctic talon]

Yeah he’s absolutely a nihilist

[crystal forum]

he's like the opposite of ferrus manus

[arctic talon]

Seeing the eye of terror 24/7 doesn’t help

[crystal forum]

what about alpharius

[arctic talon]

Alpharius is

A sussy baka

He went traitor because he thought emperor dying == humanities survival

He thought humanity was doomed

How correct he was uhhhh

???? Yeah idfk

[crystal forum]

he or they

[arctic talon]

They

I suppose

[crystal forum]

so do both twins think exactly alike

[arctic talon]

They both agreed on emperor will damn humanity

[arctic talon]

No

Omegon was a xenos sympathizer lol

Unlike Alpharius

Omegon also thought that the imperium itself was the thing that needed destroying

Less then the emperor himself

Still a traitor just different logic behind it same conclusion that

Imperium/Emperor needs to fall to kill chaos

[crystal forum]

i wonder what they thought would happen after horus wins

[arctic talon]

Tbh late in the heresy they prolly realized they fucked up to an extent

But they were too deep in

We still don’t know where omegon went after breaking the sword in front of Horus ol

[crystal forum]

so who do they support now

[arctic talon]

We don’t know

The alpha legion was super split during the heresy

The most split traitor legion by far

Nowadays the alpha legion are all traitors

[crisp heath]

Or are they?

[arctic talon]

Their level of chaos worship ranges from all in on the sauce

[crisp heath]

Quadruple agents

[arctic talon]

Or not that much

[arctic talon]

They absolutely are

The alpha legion during the heresy wanted the imperium to fall

At the very least

Even the loyalist ones

[crystal forum]

sounds oddly similar to soul drinkers

[arctic talon]

The loyalist ones were loyal to the emperor, and hated the imperium

I.E one of the Exodus’s Exodi? I don’t fucking know how to refer to them

[crisp heath]

Are there any chaos legions that still want to save humanity?

Don’t see them as just fodder

[crystal forum]

my new headcannon is that soul drinkers are descendants of alpha legion

[arctic talon]

They want to convert them to chaos usually

Tbh

With that spear

[crisp heath]

I don’t care for the emperors children love for humanity

They don’t count

Gross

Ew

[arctic talon]

I’m talking about the word bearers

And death guard lol

[crystal forum]

what spear

[arctic talon]

And thousand sons

The soul spear

Spears are a big thing the alpha legion like

[crystal forum]

emperor's children hate humanity. they're less perfect than them

[crisp heath]

Spears are the best weapon

That and glaives

Pole weapons fuck

[crystal forum]

wait and soul drinkers have a relic "spear" that plays a major part in their origin story

[arctic talon]

Yep

[crystal forum]

except they believed that dorn gave it to them

[arctic talon]

I mean

It could have been dorn

But it might have not been his

[crystal forum]

okok so do alpha legion astartes mutate a lot

[arctic talon]

No

Not without chaos or warp exposure

[crystal forum]

bruh that's evidence number 3

[arctic talon]

Their gene “flaw” is usually they go bald lol

[dull wadi]

Just like real life

[arctic talon]

But alpha legion loyalists post heresy sort of just

Either integrated or went traitor for good

Because they didn’t want to serve the imperium

[crisp heath]

Nah I mean slanesh dudes love for messing with people

[arctic talon]

Or they decided it wasn’t so bad

Now granted the alpha legion also had like horrific casualties lol

Seeing that they were the first to enter the Solar system

[crisp heath]

Absolute worst god in the setting I hate every time they come up

[crystal forum]

why

[storm jungle]

something-something sex

[crisp heath]

Super excess, noise marines looking super nasty, how fucking weird they always act

[arctic talon]

Clearly you have never seen a meth head

[crisp heath]

I did same reaction

[arctic talon]

Clearly you have never seen a morbidly obese person

[crisp heath]

My first time In a big city dude in back of subway train was just slamming his head onto the glass

[arctic talon]

Slaanesh is honestly just excess in general

Too much food, too much practice

Drugs Ect.

[crisp heath]

Hate all of it

I be in tzench corner

The silly guy

[arctic talon]

Have fun getting turned into a statue

Why, because funny

[crisp heath]

A little bit of trolling

[crystal forum]

ah you prefer simply not understanding what's going on

[crisp heath]

I never do

[crystal forum]

tzeentch worshiping is just being happy to be on the ride

[arctic talon]

The fact the only loyalist alpha legion character is “Exodus the one who is many”

Is fucking hilarious

[crisp heath]

Fighting tzeentch cultists and waiting for an attack just to have a anvil fall from the sky and crush your looney tunes style

Is a description I heard for him and loved it

[crystal forum]

and somehow that anvil took 200 years to place at the right place at the right time

[crisp heath]

So funny

Also the sons shadow wizard gang throwing fireballs at people also holding guns is really cool

Second fav after khan

[arctic talon]

It’s been rotating in orbit for the past hundred years

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/986935709569011722/1116425929187672166/7B5D2998-0E0D-4B7B-A71F-0BD031EC2ACE.mov

[crystal forum]

three entire sub cults were created and then died to get it there

wizards are funny no matter the setting they're in

[arctic talon]

Real

But the fact the only loyalist alpha legion character might be multiple guys is funny

[rain elm]

Who's the shadow government

[storm jungle]

[rain elm]

I dunno about Tzeentch... I mean... Why would he allow his Space Marines to so openly admit to being sponsored by him... In such a killer track at that...

[storm jungle]

honestly probably

[rain elm]

Yeah true

That does sound like a Tzeentch thing

[near wasp]

I drank too much monster and now tzeentch is whispering in my ear

[arctic talon]

If you take 20 Benadryl’s you can see tzeentch

[near wasp]

Noted ill try that tonight

https://tenor.com/view/shrooms-lsd-drugs-mdma-gif-24670096

[arctic talon]

[terse flume]

oh wait is tzeentch machine elves

[arctic talon]

No?

[terse flume]

not, machine eldar, the concept from people who do waaaaaay too much psychadelics

these delightful fellows

[arctic talon]

Don’t overdose on Benadryl

[near wasp]

Dont worry i wont, ill just melt my brain with exessive amounts of caffine

[crystal forum]

benadryl is legit one of the worst drugs to do recreationally

thank the weed lord that i can smoke legally here 🙏

[echo vault]

I like that despite being skaven they still wear goggles when using their weaponry, it doesn't help them when they blow up but for a few seconds there the goggles were helping quite a bit

[elder tide]

The spiders.

[crystal forum]

https://youtu.be/LoqrXAuUw_8?si=fUgbe-3ZpLOrJfzA

if GW had any balls they'd bring back the primarchs from less popular chapters first

[celest dome]

Nah, they'll never bring back Ferrus

[crystal forum]

seriously though bringing back mister iron hand would be based as hell

finally giving the iron hands some relevance in lore

i'd be ok with khan too. white scars need some representation

also khan would bring some interesting dynamics to guilliman's rule

[celest dome]

At least Khan ain't dead

[crystal forum]

im sure they could think of some dumb reason for reviving a primarch

Cawl creating a body for ferrus because mechanicus love iron hands

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/thankfully-lucky-me-grateful-thankful-ryan-reynolds-gif-17243239

[desert dust]

Bring back Konrad

But make it so the emperor has taken away his visions with his powers and now he wants to fix his fuck ups

||to bad he is still Konrad||

[crystal forum]

he'll fix the imperium by committing acts of terrorism

[woeful veldt]

Vulkan

[crystal forum]

salamanders are popular

also i have no idea what vulkan would bring to the table

[celest dome]

They already have

then made it disappear again

[silver pollen]

Emperor brings back Konrad. Konrad kills Abaddon and becomes the leader of Black Crusade just to prove his point.

[silver pollen]

Spine-breaking hugs?

[storm jungle]

let the Primarchs stay dead

literally the worst thing about this setting post-30k

[celest dome]

Kill them even more I say

[storm jungle]

same

shame its not gonna happen because money but ah well

[silver pollen]

Worst thing is how lame were their excuses to be removed out of the picture between Herecy and actual 40K.

If we speak about loyalists.

[storm jungle]

It really wasnt

it was a great idea to get rid of them

[arctic talon]

^

[storm jungle]

stay in 30k trash

where they belong lmao

[arctic talon]

It makes the 2 settings more distinct lol

Which GW has been like

Consistently struggling with

[storm jungle]

Yeah and the sad part is all the primarchs will be back in like 8-9 years or so.

The setting is already Space Marine focused so that other factions (even Imperials) barely get any attention.

Primarchs worsen this by tenfold

[silver pollen]

Well, heretics always have been there. Just doing their small dumb things instead of destroying the rotten Imperium when noone could stop them.

[storm jungle]

yeah its called plot armor

[crystal forum]

i dont care anymore i just want more content

give me space marines as long as it furthers the plot

[storm jungle]

Nah

anything but them please

YEET

[silver pollen]

It was. Literal demigods of war, best existing generals and administrators in the Imperium, just vanished one after one for the dumbest reasons possible. Well, Girlyman had a respectable one - being put in stasis on the brink of actual death. Most other loyalists who made it past Herecy, had way worse excuses.

I understand that they should have been removed out of picture to get than 40K we love. BUT the writing of removing them was mostly dumb.

[storm jungle]

It wasn't.

Nobody complained ever about the primarchs being gone, they are demigods of a passed age.

Thats literally the entire point of them being gone and how them returning is just stupid.

[silver pollen]

It is not about them being "gone". It is about HOW they were gone from ingame perspective, especially after they survived the worst existing conflict of Imperium history. 40K included.

[storm jungle]

40k is filled with bad writing

its normal and not a big deal

[silver pollen]

Though, their return is understandable to get back some dynamic of the stagnating universe where nothing was happening for decades of IRL world.

[storm jungle]

Its nothing about dynamics.

The world doesn't revolve around space marines

its just a money scheme as with any narrative update

You can literally do any big push without primarch involvement

[forest orbit]

Pretty much what she said, primarchs returning to 40k has been a doomsday event years in the making since Gathering Storm

its the MCUification of the entire setting

If I primarch nonsense ill go play 30k

[silver pollen]

Well, I still liked Girlymans return. Primaris plot was dumb, no argue here (cheapest cash grab possible justified by literal Deus ex Machina) but the whole conflict of the surerior being fully understanding how low has Imperium fallen and how impossible is the task of fixing it - this was what I liked.

Return of Lion was cheap. And dumb.

[storm jungle]

Yeah but even that kinda ran its course

like he went from horried to "anyway so crusade"

[forest orbit]

Yep lol

Lion made sense tho because we entirely knew where he was, otherwise yeah time to wait 5 fucking years for him to get the same Guilliman treatment

"Oh ma gerd cant believe what happened to my father's realm"

gets milked for 10 novels

[silver pollen]

He is still the "one of the best leaders in human history" artificially created by Emperor to do the whole leading. It is against their nature not to take up the mantle and power.
I mean, if Roboute just lay down and cried about how horrible this future is, I wouldn't have belived that this is the primarch.

[undone zodiac]

Gw has had atleast return to pick primarchs reasonably well whom would realisticly come back

No lol sanguinius returns

[storm jungle]

I mean he literally did cry about it tho

[silver pollen]

A bit

[storm jungle]

then goes to defend his dad's awful realm because plot

[forest orbit]

Russ is deffo next

[silver pollen]

How could he not to?

[forest orbit]

if we go by sales and popularity

[silver pollen]

LEMAN RUSS IS AN ASSHOLE! MAGNUS DID NOTHING WRONG!

[forest orbit]

Leman did nothing right

[storm jungle]

Magnus did everything wrong.

[forest orbit]

🤝

[storm jungle]

🤝

[silver pollen]

It's a meme out of our local (non-english) 40K community. That was the closest translation possible.

I know how deep Magnus did fuck up, if we talk seriously.

[storm jungle]

I know im just saying

[forest orbit]

Better to go ask that in #general-chat

[crystal forum]

you cannot ban me for enjoying astartes!
im sure you get paid by big plastic to keep selling them

[storm jungle]

I don't get paid for anything

https://tenor.com/view/tired-office-cubicle-bob-parr-the-incredibles-gif-7767100

[crystal forum]

i know i just wanted to say big plastic

im giggling currently

[storm jungle]

[soft patio]

erebus did nothing wrong

[crystal forum]

fr?

[undone zodiac]

Magnus sees russ come back and he turns re-ummm blue from anger

[storm jungle]

Erebus was kinda uhhh sussy

Eresus if you will

[crystal forum]

you know what

i can respect erebus

he actually managed to accomplish his goals

[storm jungle]

Its great because Magnus sieged the Fang/Fenris 2 fucking times in lore and failed

its so bad

[crystal forum]

who else can say the same in 40k

[storm jungle]

he entirely loses too because you cant destroy a founding legion's homeworld as the script says so lol

[crystal forum]

40k is all about failure

NOT for erebus

[silver pollen]

Tecnically Chaos gods won at this point. Whole Humanity is their feeding ground for 10K years and indefinite future (unless the Great Devourer eats everyone).

[storm jungle]

Yeah but we all know thats not gonna happen

[soft patio]

too bad erebus is so handsome did nothing wrong too

[storm jungle]

realistically speaking when or if 40k eventually gets an End Times its definitely just gonna get the treatment of the factions being fractured but still fighting

[crystal forum]

chaos gods win just by existing. i dont count creatures that live outside of space and time

[storm jungle]

because you gotta think all of this from a business perspective

the lore doesnt matter unfortunately

[silver pollen]

Unless 40K is put to the same End of Times > AOS treatment.

[storm jungle]

Yeah that wont happen until it stops making money

or is stuck in a BİG stagnated period

[crystal forum]

GW is going to die some day and maybe they'll have the balls to end the series

chances are they'll just sell the IP to another company

give it 20 years before like 80% of the tabletop community is too senile to play

everybody's already in their 40's

[silver pollen]

Youth usually can't afford the models. Unless that are pirate copies.

[soft patio]

see you on warhammer 80k

🤨

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/adios-chat-adios-chat-lalo-lalo-salamanca-adios-bye-chat-lalo-better-call-adios-lalo-gif-26294325

[crystal forum]

yeah that's the issue. they've grown to rely on the whales too much. whales however dont last forever

[soft patio]

Whales like me

and my unpainted masses of shame

[crystal forum]

relying on an aging community too much without making it new player friendly is just asking for a disaster in the long run

[soft patio]

Doesnt this new codex make it easier for new players though?

[crystal forum]

the prices certainly dont

[silver pollen]

I have never cared about wargame part of 40K. Got aquainted with the unverse with first DoW (hell, it wasn't even licensed copy), found some books, started reading them, and that's how I got here. Miniatures were never sold in my hometown at that time, and the prices could probably horrify anyone.

[soft patio]

Prices come with a hobby is how I see it, i've played people just using stand ins just fine

[crystal forum]

there's other less pricy hobbies

just imagine you never heard of warhammer before and you go into a GW store

[silver pollen]

Dark Herecy doesn't demand you to sell your kidney to play.