40k-lore-chat

[crystal forum]

rip

[versed ledge]

Thatcher Britain wasn't that bad...(said no one ever)

[crystal forum]

[near wasp]

Kill him again, i wanna see his sons lose there minds again

[crystal forum]

double bloodthrist

or whatever their gene flaw is called

[versed ledge]

So if 40k is satire, what's the mechanicus a parody of?

[crystal forum]

british bureaucracy

[storm jungle]

No joke you are mostly right

the author of Brutal Kunnin said in an interview that the mechanicus characters in his book who act arrogant and sit on their ass arguing constantly while an active ork invasion is taking place outside as they cost the fall of their world was a direct parody

but their main parody points are more just backwards religious idiots you see IRL

[crystal forum]

maybe my annoyance was because i was applying realism to 40k

[storm jungle]

yeah

don't do that

LOL

[near wasp]

I absolutely cannot stand it, im struggling to get through the book because of it

[versed ledge]

Just like the DMV

[crystal forum]

and thus i was breaking my own rule of realism not always being the best

im a hypocrite!

[near wasp]

Congrats

[crystal forum]

it feels good actually

maybe im qualified to work as a politician now

[near wasp]

Definitely just make sure you do none of the things you said tou would

[storm jungle]

Do you want a spoiler for the end of the Mechanicus characters

[near wasp]

Please tell me they all die horribly

[storm jungle]

||The head dumbass techpriest that does all the wrong decisions gets shot by one of his own priests while hes asking for them to load all his important shit to his own personal dropship and only the actually likable cast of the techpriests aka like 1-3 of them get to evacuate safely off the world||

[spare osprey]

So hear me out here

I been thinking of ways to torture certain things in 40K

For no important reason that should mind any of you

So far I got 2

1st is an emp child.

I’m thinking of taking a courage the cowardly dog route

[near wasp]

Thank you

[spare osprey]

Hang the dude up in a dark room, room so silent he hears his own blood flowing, so cold he feels like he’s in the void of space, so dark he wonders if there could ever be light on its unobservable feature

Leave him to starve and eventually fall asleep

Cause even space marines need that

And have a pysker haunt his dreams in the face of another. Maybe an EC from his past, maybe fulgrim if we’re going to the extreme

And have them just state “you’re not perfect”

Then of course I’d the interrogator visits

Idea there is just the dude in the skull mask walks in

Stares at him, observes his features, says nothing, walks out

Just make the slaanesh lad feel self conscious

Till it breaks him and all

The other idea is an ork

Just put him in a purple room

[celest dome]

I'll be honest, I never really tend to think of torture

[spare osprey]

DA books have a few scenes of marine torture

Chaos marines specifically

Some of my favorite reads

Dherga hung in total darkness. Even his unnaturally sharp eyesight was confounded by so complete an
absence at light. He had surmised his cell had been diligently designed to blind even Space Marine senses. The chains by which he was bound cruciform to the rough wet stone of the wall had also proven more than a match for posthuman strength. Such details had raised questions for Dherga during the early days of his captivity. Yet as the days crawled past. and sensory deprivation clashed with sensory overload. and the damp of the cell crept into his flesh. his curiosity had dulled. As the unremitting drag of his own heavily muscled body worked slow torture upon his arms and back Dherga had ceased to care about the Dark Angels‘ secrets. Starvation took far longer for one of the Heretic Astares than it did for a mortal, yet in the end even he was not immune to its ravages Nor could he endure indefinitely the slow festering of his wounds or the turgid curdling of a mind trapped in a void-dark box.

Then there were the visits of his interrogator. kept carefully irregular, commencing most times with a shocking barrage of blinding light and deafening white noise projected from concealed voxponders. Dherga came to both dread and long for the awful stimuli of each fresh interrogation. Each time allowed him to prove to his captors that his hatred for them still burned strong. Yet each time also brought him incrementally closer to wishing he knew the right answers to satisfy their curiosity once and for all. Any end would be preferable to this interminable purgatory.

[crystal forum]

this is the type of writing that gets shit on by teachers in highschool for being too fluffy

[winter vessel]

||I love me some vindication. Especially when it happens to the Admech.||

[storm jungle]

[spare osprey]

And I fuckin love it

[rose thorn]

I want to make a corpse guild gang in necromunda so bad but I know i will have to end kitbash my hive scum with unchaos grinder cult

[rose thorn]

LETS FUCKING GOOOO

[spare osprey]

There’s an audio drama of I think Asmodai stickin a knife in a dudes hand

Pretty good

[nocturne crest]

So how many inventions post Horus Heresy are just admech, guard and space marines fucking around with their current gear?

Like the Land raider crusader or redeemer.

[spare osprey]

land raider ares

one of my fav tanks

[nocturne crest]

Looks awesome, but is it a Dark Angels unit, like the Ball Predator?

*Exclusive unit.

**Baal Predator.

[winter vessel]

Land Raider Crusader just looks like an infantryman’s worse nightmare. Put that thing in the middle of an army it’s gonna turn em into corned beef.

[crystal forum]

sometimes you just need a higher volume of fire but you don't care enough to get a dedicated gun

i have a never ending obsession with aircraft weaponry

[nocturne crest]

One second.

[crystal forum]

i dont think this is real

also a model 712 c96 mauser can shoot around 900 rounds per minute

there's 10 pistols on that mount

that's 9000 rounds per minute

[nocturne crest]

It might be.

[crystal forum]

the limit of a m134 firing speed is around 6000 rounds per minute

so that pistol mount shoots 3000 rounds per minute faster than a minigun

[crystal forum]

this is real

[nocturne crest]

This is why I think that MG 34 set up above might be real.

[crystal forum]

i've just never heard of it and it doesn't look mechanically feasable

and that soldier looks soviet

[nocturne crest]

If the Soviets could do this, they could probably do that set up.

[crystal forum]

also look at the image it has a ton of fuzz that looks like photo edits

i was looking for an image of the soviet AA mount with a bunch of slapped together maxim guns and i found a video of ukrainians using one lmao

[winter vessel]

Speaking of aircraft weaponry, in the Space Marine 2 gameplay, there’s a quad mount Titus passes by. Don’t remember the name of it but I know it’s a Chimera Variant.

[crystal forum]

if you mean hydra then yes

but that doesn't look big enough to be a hydra chassis

hydra is also coincidentally my favorite guard vehicle

if only it wasn't useless on tabletop

[winter vessel]

adjusts the turrets down to face in front of the enemy “Go to Town”

[crystal forum]

yes! surprisingly creating weapons made to throw as much lead and explosive at the enemy as possible is also a good way to make an anti infantr weapon

[nocturne crest]

The hydra should be anti vehicle along with anti infantry.

[winter vessel]

then you got things like the Wyvern that’s equipped with dual Stormshard Mortars. But I call it Mr.Stubby.

[crystal forum]

GW even puts the two vehicles in the same box because they know player would be disappointed by the hydra lol

[spare osprey]

nope

was at first but the DA spread the schematics to other chapters

[nocturne crest]

So like the crusader and the annihilator rhino.

I wonder if IG baneblade variant would work if every gun was a flamer or a melta.

[nocturne crest]

Or a mortar baneblade.

[shadow plover]

Goddamn, Pariah Nexus goes hard

[celest dome]

@queen laurel Here's how I would see a Khornate faction
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/khornate-faction-idea-clotters-enforcer-cult/82857

[queen laurel]

This is something i can agree on

It's pretty cool

[celest dome]

I'll try another faction a bit later, maybe Tzeentch, but it's up to grab

But not the coming week, have way to much work atm

[queen laurel]

Can't wait to see it

[green loom]

MMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

This is style

[storm jungle]

ultra-drip

[coarse pumice]

Give this a head and it becomes a guntank MS

[plush mason]

the left one is the imperial guard background

imo the navy one has the best drip

[green loom]

Counterpoint, guard gets beret

And beret > everything

[celest dome]

Except when you have to wear bérets, then it annoying

[crystal forum]

you can tell how badass a unit is by what they wear on their head in battle

this applies to real life as well

pictured: US marines fighting alongside an SAS member who's wearing a baseball cap

[nocturne crest]

Has there ever been a traitor Artibes before?

[celest dome]

Why ? Do you think arbites are impervious to Chaos?

[crystal forum]

i actually do

find me an instance of an arbites turning to chaos

[spare osprey]

Nah it’s defo possible

I’d rank them above guard and below astartes in terms of corruptibility

[near wasp]

Yes

[near wasp]

Watchers of throne, an arbites marshall fell to choas and was the target of one of the custodes

On holy terra nonetheless

[crystal forum]

astartes are way more corruptible than arbites 😤

[near wasp]

Arbites are still just human, super indoctrinated humans but still

[crystal forum]

how did he fall

[near wasp]

She fell when terra got invaded by khorne

[crystal forum]

did she just decide to switch

[near wasp]

They fell to choas and were a cult leader

[spare osprey]

And Valhallans never win a battle.

[crystal forum]

yes but how

[spare osprey]

We just said 2 equally incorrect things

[near wasp]

It doesnt go into exact detail about how they fell xD point is they fell

[crystal forum]

so she's just a plot device for the story.

[near wasp]

Thats every character ever

[crystal forum]

arbites are so loyal that inquisitors find them overbearing. astartes regularly go rogue all the time for dumb reasons and let me remind you that they caused the horus heresy

[near wasp]

And no because she wasnt even part of the main plot

[crystal forum]

that's what a plot device is. it's just an element in a story made to progress it

she's just some side character made to be a villain

there's lots of dumb stuff like that in 40k

[near wasp]

I dont get why your so against this

You asked me to provide an example and when i did your saying its not good enough

[crystal forum]

i want a better example

[celest dome]

On average I would say yes, but I would also say they neither are perticularly uncorruptible

[near wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh424019499-gif-25675566

[crystal forum]

it's like using that one time a ton of custodians were killed by eldar as an example for why custodians suck

just because a writer needed a way to convey danger doesn't mean in general this is how it works

[spare osprey]

But like

At that point everything is a plot device/point

That’s what a plot is

[crystal forum]

there's a ton of stories about characters falling into chaos and we see them being corrupted

[spare osprey]

On average you would find more traitor arbites than traitor marines. Just due to numbers and common sense

[near wasp]

A large portion of terra fell to choas during the invasion

[crystal forum]

???

silence do you know what arbites are

[spare osprey]

There are more arbites than marines. And arbites are less indoctrinated and mentally “stable”. A marine has more defenses than a galaxy super cop

They’re but still human but one is a fuckin super human

Like no one is just up and “immune” to chaos unless you literally don’t have a soul

[crystal forum]

arbites are expected to die alongside their stationed planet. Vraks's arbites held out until the last man for example

[spare osprey]

Yeah

And countless marines have done that

[near wasp]

And thats common but they can and do fall

[spare osprey]

But like

[celest dome]

Doesn't mean that all Arbites are gonna do that

[crystal forum]

just because astartes are superhuman in physique doesn't mean they're mentally superior

[spare osprey]

It doesn’t negate the existence of chaos marines

They are tho

That’s literally the whole point

Of their indoctrination

[crystal forum]

in fact astartes being way too human is like the main reason why the HH happened

[celest dome]

We have Traitor Commissar

[crystal forum]

they're really not as indoctrinated as you think they are. they're able to think for themselves

arbites quite literally worship the word of law

[near wasp]

Words can be twisted into chaos

[spare osprey]

Tzeentch is a big fan of that

[crystal forum]

and have we seen that happen in a story with arbites yet?

[spare osprey]

Yeah I mean they were a big cause sure. But at the end of the day there’s still more chaos mortals on the traitors side than chaos marines

[crystal forum]

also i've read soul drinkers. that's a story about astartes working for chaos without them even knowing

[spare osprey]

Yeah

Cause that’s what chaos does

And will absolutely do to an arbite

[near wasp]

[crystal forum]

there's a difference between falling to chaos and being manipulated by it

[spare osprey]

[near wasp]

[crystal forum]

the moment soul drinkers realized they were being used they fucking killed a greater chaos demon

[near wasp]

Im done, hes not even listening

[spare osprey]

Mate you went from saying there’s no instances of an arbite being chaos to saying that even if they were ever chaos they totally didn’t know

Like come on dude it’s common sense that a person no matter how fanatical

Can fall to chaos

ANYONE can fall to chaos

That’s the big problem

[celest dome]

I don't even understand the debate, like I don't think Arbites are more imprevious to Chaos than Commissars, more so when Commissars were made to prevent the 1st tentations of Chaos while Arbites aren't

[crystal forum]

not commissars, astartes

[celest dome]

Both Commissars and SM have been turned

[spare osprey]

And the average astartes is stronger willed than the average commissar. Just cause of how they’re made

It doesn’t mean you don’t see chaos ones tho

So yeah there’s definitely chaos arbites

[crystal forum]

see that's mainly what i'm disagreeing with

[near wasp]

[celest dome]

That would be debatable

[crystal forum]

an astartes is just as likely to be corrupted as a commissar

[near wasp]

Astartes are stronger willed that humans

This is a fact

[celest dome]

Yet a higher percentage of Sm joined Chaos than normal human

[crystal forum]

where does this notion come from? Every asrtates story i read mentions how hard it is for them to keep their faith against chaos

[spare osprey]

Not when you have more commissars than astartes. It’s just a numbers game at that rate. Plus the fact marines go through countless rituals, surgeries, hypno therapies and so much other random shit just to make them a bit better at resisting corruption

[near wasp]

^

[spare osprey]

Like the Horus heresy was such a big deal because it seemed almost literally impossible for a marine to turn

The series opens up with Luna wolves laughing at the very idea

[crystal forum]

the reason it was unthinkable is because they didn't even know what chaos was yet

[spare osprey]

Mortals fall all the time

Marines do as well but if we’re doing basic math

[crystal forum]

for the loyal primarchs horus was just killing his brothers for a power grab

[spare osprey]

There’s still more chaos mortals than chaos marines

[celest dome]

But there are much more loyal human than loyal SM

[spare osprey]

Yeah

[crystal forum]

i don't think it's fair to make it a numbers game though? are we comparing them directly or just how many of them there are

[spare osprey]

Cause of basic numbers

[remote widget]

Praetor "daddy emperor loves me mostest" Matthew, ...Please tell me he dies of super AIDS for thinking he's safer than elite custodes and a primarch when standing next to mortarions devices

[spare osprey]

Like I don’t get the argument at this point. Marines are quite literally made to be more resilient to temptation. That’s their whole thing

It’s why when they fall it’s a big deal

Cause a single marine can lead a warband of thousands of mortals

Or hell in the most egregious cases

Corrupt a planet

[celest dome]

So can a Human, most Human, traitor or not are lead by Human, not SM

[spare osprey]

A lot fuckin harder tho

Imagine a single dude trying to corrupt all of tertium

[crystal forum]

they're physically strong yes but they're not super mentally resilient

[spare osprey]

They are tho

That’s like

[celest dome]

Not like BL has a major SM bias

[spare osprey]

One of the main processes

Of becoming a marine

[crystal forum]

the process of becoming a marine is to make them resilient to combat stress and stuff like that

unless you're talking about a grey knight or something

[spare osprey]

And to give them mental fortitude against the enemies of mankind

If they just became a buff warrior monster without the proper hypno-indoctrination and rites

They’d turn traitor so much more

So so fuckin much more

[crystal forum]

again that's all intended for combat. the indoctrination they get is for loyalty to their chapter

[spare osprey]

I can think of multiple moments when a marine being mentally fortified has saved him from chaos shit.

Big one was when a chaos message was sent via vox

Made the ship crew go mad

The space marines were fine

[crystal forum]

if you want to make the claim that librarians are super resilient then i'd agree

but a normal ass marine? no

[spare osprey]

But they are

A marine is more resilient to corruption than a guardsman

That’s just common sense man

[crystal forum]

sure a basic bitch guard who doesn't even know what chaos is will be easier to turn

but a lot of baseline humans still kick ass

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/eye-otter-rubbing-eyes-tired-irritated-gif-16638234

[crystal forum]

your argument is that they're super humanly resilient to chaos

[spare osprey]

Cause they’re literally made to be

[near wasp]

Do you even know what is required to become a marine

[crystal forum]

my counter point is that regular humans still do the same shit as them

just look at inquisitors and sisters of battle

[near wasp]

The point is that they are litterally built different

[spare osprey]

Yeah named fuckin characters

[spare osprey]

Inquisitors are nowhere near normal humans

[crystal forum]

what makes them so different

[spare osprey]

Surgeries, rites, indoctrination of any amount for their Ordo.

Countless other case by case things

[remote widget]

Listening to dark imperium, you're wrong, especially for primaris

[undone zodiac]

I mean sisters of battle are literally inducted and taught in imperial cult from the birth so they have pretty much hardstuck into anti chaos sentiment with few exceptions

[crystal forum]

that sounds like every other agent of the imperium

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/stewie-gun-suicide-gif-13872495

[crystal forum]

if you think im arguing in bad faith then tell me ffs

[remote widget]

All agents of the imperium is prepared like that yes, there's a reason you don't have traitors of the 40k assassin chapters as well

[crystal forum]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Eristede_Kell

[remote widget]

Look the exact reason I said 40k thanks

[remote widget]

There's a lore reason why the assassin chapters of 40k have constant indoctrination, and that's it

Because in the HH, malcador done goofed

[crystal forum]

i have another example though it's less chaos related

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Drakan_Vangorich

and again my point was that these baseline humans still manage to be as resilient as astartes

you don't need an astarte's gene seed to be super resistant to chaos

and in turn an astartes isn't made super resistant just because he's a space marine

older space marines question stuff all the time

indoctrination only gets you so far. you still need to understand why chaos is bad

it's the entire reason the horus heresy happened. space marines weren't taught about chaos so of course they were super easy to convince

If you read the first HH books barely anybody talks about chaos. There's erebus of course but most traitor astartes thought they were treated unfairly by the emperor

a space marine's loyalty lies with his chapter, then the imperium

The reason i say arbites are harder to turn than astartes is because their primary loyalty is with the imperium

[celest dome]

Where does the primary loyalty lies in SM ?

Their Primarch ?

[crystal forum]

#40k-lore-chat message

[crystal forum]

yes

[green loom]

I'd hardly call an assassin a baseline human

[crystal forum]

yeah it was a bad example

[green loom]

Nitpicking aside though marines also have the influence of "We are so far above these wretches, why should we protect them?" egging them on

[crystal forum]

they think they're better than the imperium. not all chapter of course but still

[celest dome]

ok, but still doesn't prevent an Arbites from turning to Chaos

[crystal forum]

ok fine i admit i was wrong on that one

[green loom]

Though frankly, the reason we don't see many human traitor chars is because they barely get focused on

[queen laurel]

I'm going to be honest besides the dark tide bosses I don't know any traitor character that is not an astartes

[crystal forum]

Ollanius Pius showing more balls than all space marines combined

isn't this one of the most badass images on the internet

this is why i love guard

[green loom]

I think that's his so n

Oll Piers or something

[remote widget]

Still prior to the rearranging of the officio assassinorum

[remote widget]

Most of the bbegs in gaunt, and the one who turned into lizard man in cain

[storm jungle]

He dies 1 sec afterwards

[crystal forum]

better than running away like a coward

the entire point is he dies after

[storm jungle]

After what

theres a difference between bravery and stupidity

[crystal forum]

the image being taken

you think running away from angron will save you????

[storm jungle]

A last stand matters more when you accomplish something more than just a cool pose

it sure did his comrades

the entire point of his death is that it was stupid and is just gonna be used as propaganda

[crystal forum]

bruh im vexed now

vexing so hard

dying for your comrades is just cool

if all guardsmen did that the imperium would win every battle

[storm jungle]

Get vexed.

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-goblin-dancing-vex-dancing-goblin-gif-17984806

[winter vessel]

my guardian coming in holding a glass "C'mere ya fuck"

[normal light]

Well their casualties are already high , I don’t know if this would make them worse

[crystal forum]

they're going to die anyways

they might as well be useful

[normal light]

Well it’s 50/50

[normal light]

Well just standing in place , probably fixed in horror isn’t that useful

[crystal forum]

exactly

im saying if all of them stood their ground and kept firing they'd win every war

[normal light]

No

Let’s modulate a situation where you have a Guardsman position

For example a trench

[crystal forum]

already a fairly uncommon situation

[near wasp]

Not in 40k

[normal light]

Then what?

[crystal forum]

yes definitely in 40k

i've read enough guard books to know

[normal light]

Where guardsman would defend then?

[crystal forum]

they build above ground defences and use the environment

like sandbags and shit

[normal light]

Okay

They have fortified position

It’s starts taking light indirect fire and after a while get assaulted

Let’s modulate that assault is repelled

[crystal forum]

by what

[normal light]

Guardsman and their arms?

[crystal forum]

no i mean what is attacking them

[normal light]

For example traitor guard or cultists

[crystal forum]

ok

[normal light]

Attackers retreat

Call in heavy arty which starts shelling Guardsman positions

In case of ground fortifications , troops and fortifications are fucked

And in most cases reduced to rubble

With all guardsman stationed there

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/vex-destiny2-destiny-march-marching-gif-24546498

[storm jungle]

Also when Guardsmen face unusual enemies they usually get steam-rolled.

ala Necrons

Your WW2 cannon wont do much against massive floating mega-death pyramid

[crystal forum]

i shit you not in 40k you're supposed to sit in artillery fire

[storm jungle]

And explode?

[crystal forum]

i've literally seen quotes that shelling a position too much is actualy bad because you're giving a ton of cover to the enemy

[normal light]

But then they retreat from their position without orders

[normal light]

Well a lot of craters isn’t the best craters

[crystal forum]

it still makes it harder to clear

[normal light]

They are usually not very deep

[crystal forum]

you're basically turning open terrain into a bunch of hidden traps everywhere

cultists do this all the time

and already in the scenario it's weird that the guardsmen dont have a shit ton of supporting artillery

like half the guard arsenal is artillery

[normal light]

It’s easier to storm a bunch of small craters where infantry man is only concealed while prone , then a position with stationary MG and good fortifications

Just have more nades then enemy

[normal light]

What it will do in such scenario?

[crystal forum]

guardsmen dont have infinite grenades

they're often expected to storm positions with nothing but a lasgun and a bayonet

[normal light]

Support the Guardsman is only variant

[normal light]

Well that’s from where you get a ton of casualties

💀

[crystal forum]

counter artillery. guard is the arty faction already

guard have very good equipment it's crazy

[normal light]

Okay , if enemy uses self-propelled artillery?

Like yeah

[crystal forum]

the entire point of the guard is they can shoot you with a million lasguns at once

[arctic talon]

Guard are the only faction with any real heavy artillery in lore

[crystal forum]

guard arent meant to survive

[normal light]

There will be Counter Battery Fire

[arctic talon]

They just flatten you with artillery

[winter vessel]

and a ton of munitions

[arctic talon]

Chaos well known for having functioning artillery in lore(it’s an explicit thing they don’t really have great artillery lol)

[crystal forum]

you can shell guardsmen as much as you want but you wont even dent the numbers that much

[arctic talon]

Idk why

[normal light]

It would

[storm jungle]

You absolutely can depending on the warzone

meme-lore aside too many casulties means you are a shit general

and will get ousted

[crystal forum]

that's an extreme case

[storm jungle]

A commissar and other war council members have done this

and no its not

too many casulties and no results is a good political career death

[winter vessel]

I mean wouldn't they source their artillery from Traitor Guard? Limited yes, but still

[green loom]

Violently butcher death korps

[normal light]

Don’t know , a lot of Guardsman switched sides , so like Chaos should at least same capabilities

[storm jungle]

Theres no "extreme", when Guard do this they prefer to send penal legions to die instead of actua lvalauble soldiers.

[arctic talon]

They just lose it for some reason

[crystal forum]

chaos cultists suck ass

[arctic talon]

I’m not the one who writes faction lore

Maybe chaos cultusts can’t maintain it properly

Idfk

It’s just a thing for 40K chaos to have shit artillery

[crystal forum]

it's all because of tabletop

[arctic talon]

Only people who get good artillery are Tau and Guard

[arctic talon]

Also true

[normal light]

Like the only way for Infantry to survive arty is concealment

By It I mean trenches

[winter vessel]

traitor guard parks chaos Basilisk somewhere in the warp and steps out to take a piss he'll turn his back once and then look to see its just gone.

[arctic talon]

Khorne Daemons actually do have some half decent artillery

But that’s more of a fantasy/AoS thing lol

[normal light]

True

[crystal forum]

do you know how hard it is to supply artillery? i think it's pretty realistic that without the logistics of the imperium chaos cultists cant field much arty

[arctic talon]

Do bloodletters just steal all the basilisks

[normal light]

Most of Daemons are

[arctic talon]

And then them into skull cannons

I’m joking of course but traitors having a lack of artillery is always funny

The death guard have the best stuff in terms of actual representation

[normal light]

Basilisk possessed by a daemon which fires plasma

[winter vessel]

You say "Logistics" and "Imperium", those two words share one common feat: Disorganized as F***, lol.

[crystal forum]

my brother in christ the imperium has outstanding logistics

[storm jungle]

no it doesnt

the Imperial Guardsmen literally all fucking hate the administratum

[arctic talon]

It’s better then chaos

[storm jungle]

because its incompetent

[arctic talon]

But that’s not a high bar

Because chaos is beyond incompetent

They’re straight up insane

[normal light]

Depends on force

[green loom]

Weren't the Tanith given the wrong ammo for their lasguns

[storm jungle]

Yes lmao

[arctic talon]

On average chaos is pretty disorganized

[crystal forum]

have you read a story where they mention the logistics behind a planetary invasion? it's always this huge massive thing

[arctic talon]

The black crusade is hearding cats

[storm jungle]

Yeah like vraks

[normal light]

True

[storm jungle]

and even the nit fails

[winter vessel]

At the very least Logistratum functions just below average. Which is better than how Chaos handles it

[storm jungle]

because they think the invasion isnt going well

and stop giving resources

[green loom]

Like you've got this big force of varied and specialized regiment and your local source of supply may or may not have the right schematics to supply them all

[storm jungle]

because fuck you lmao

the entire point of the Administratum is that its too big and boggling and isnt perfect

for every right shipment they do, they make 10 more wrong ones

[arctic talon]

The fact the imperium is resembling functional means it has decent logistics for its size

[storm jungle]

its suppose to be a bureucreatic nightmare

[green loom]

It's good at broad strokes sometimes

[arctic talon]

Good thing Chaos literally doesn’t have anything resembling logistics beyond I made a deal with the local crackhead

[green loom]

So food will get shipped

[normal light]

At least most of cargo get’s somewhere

[green loom]

But you'll probably ship cheese to a massive population that's lactose intolerant

[normal light]

I deal with local Sorcerer

[green loom]

You can get guns to a front

But you might be giving autopistols to a line formation

Instead of lasguns

[crystal forum]

you're supposed to be given the idea of how massive of an undertaking a planetary invasion is. it's a ridiculous amount of moving parts and yet whenever they're allowed to work it WORKS

[storm jungle]

Yeah and the point is most of the time it doesn't work

[normal light]

I give him funny powder and he summons daemons for me

[green loom]

Or if you get them lasguns they're the wrong pattern OF lasgun

[crystal forum]

yet when it does it absolutely does

[storm jungle]

the universal joke in lore is that guardsmen hate the Administratum like i said before.

[arctic talon]

Real

Daemons solve logistical issues

[storm jungle]

and most of the time it still doesn't

[arctic talon]

Just throw more of them

[storm jungle]

which is the actual point

[crystal forum]

that's very likely just a joke about actual real life soldiers always complaining

[storm jungle]

No its not lmao

[crystal forum]

guardsmen like to bitch, it's what they do

[normal light]

Yes

[storm jungle]

they bitch because they dont wanna die

and get proper equipment

[crystal forum]

literally look at darktide vet lines

they bitch all the time

[storm jungle]

and not winter coats in a desert planet

[storm jungle]

yeah because the guard is awful

no smart person wants to join a fascist regime and die on an unnamed planet

literally accomplishing what is basically nothing

Loose Cannon is the prime example of it.

[normal light]

Who needs a lot of slaves or combat proven champions of chaos when you can just summon daemons

[crystal forum]

yeah and im positive that it's inspired by real life soldier bitching

[storm jungle]

Its not, again.

because that much logistical crisises dont really arise from most modern nations.

Unless you are some backwater country somewhere

[crystal forum]

they absolutely do

[storm jungle]

meanwhile in 40k theres one story where a sociopathic administratum worker knowingly misplaces guard logistical supplies and guess what happens

they resort to cannibalism

[crystal forum]

example: the current war in ukraine

[green loom]

Real life logistics also sucks

[winter vessel]

I picked the Professional because of the VA. He voices the Hot Dog Guy from my favorite CN series, The Amazing world of Gumball.

[green loom]

And soldiers complain about it because it sucks

[storm jungle]

yeah but its like ammunition and other shit

[green loom]

He does whaaaaa

[storm jungle]

not extreme like the example i gave

where guardsman literally start eating each other due to a lack of food supplies

because some administratum worker went nuts

[green loom]

Meanwhile the commissar is having his morning lunch of bacon and eggs

[storm jungle]

That too

[winter vessel]

Type in hot dog guy for TAWOG. You'll see Alex Jordan as the current VA for him at the time.

[crystal forum]

idk why you're disagreeing with me saying that guardsmen are caricatures of IRL soldiers

[storm jungle]

they arent

💀

goddamn

they are more extreme versions of your typical WW1-2 era soldiers

[crystal forum]

look up the word caricature

[storm jungle]

I know

[green loom]

Maybe like, 6th army in Stalingrad

[storm jungle]

that too

like the entire point of the Guard is their battles are pointless

you win one war

you get transported to another warzone

and you fight and fight until you finally die on some backwater planet

the only glory you'll get is maybe be some veteran until you also die in the middle of nowhere, or become saint on some random shrineworld a single sector's populace might now

[crystal forum]

im confused are you even describing 40k anymore or real life

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah

im describing real life

totally

[green loom]

I'd join the guard if they gave me a beret

[storm jungle]

Berets are peak fashion

[near wasp]

[storm jungle]

Anyway like what does anything I have said has anything to do with IRL 💀

actual soldiers get R&R

[winter vessel]

T Scions got the Berets

[normal light]

I would join guard as a Conscription Officer

[storm jungle]

Lmao

catching kids and sending them off to die is peak career

also WW1 Moment

[normal light]

Well yes

But what else I could do?

[storm jungle]

drive a Chimera idk

[winter vessel]

BANEBLADE

[arctic talon]

Some of those kids were willing 💀

[normal light]

Miserable way to die

[storm jungle]

Yep 💀

this was a peak Fatherland Moment

[crystal forum]

and some americans got sent to war even after completing all their tours 🤠

[storm jungle]

because the american military is shit

[crystal forum]

all militaries are shit. hence why the guard is shit

[storm jungle]

and probably shouldnt get into wars they have no business in

[normal light]

Drive a Chimera , get hit by AT , rather burn alive or get you arm or leg ripped of by HEAT

[storm jungle]

but thats too close to home

[normal light]

Or just die because of shrapnel formed from cracked armor on interior side

[storm jungle]

I had an Only War game with my friends once where a chimera had its side blown off and an Eldar Banshee screamed inside it and everyones head exploded due to the echo of the sonic-scream

[crystal forum]

i'd rather be in a tank than outside where i can get melted by nid spit

[arctic talon]

Tbh I think it depends on what you’re against

In terms of wanting to be in the funny sardine can

[normal light]

Traitor Guard , maybe

[storm jungle]

Nid acid can melt most of that 💀

[normal light]

Anything else , fuck it

[crystal forum]

but i can move faster in a tank so there's less chance of being hit

[storm jungle]

yeah but what happens when a tyranid gets in

or a ripper swarm

[near wasp]

Free snacks

[normal light]

You are bigger target

[storm jungle]

LOL

[crystal forum]

same thing happens if a nid glances at me outside the tank but slower

[winter vessel]

Or a tervigon when she decides to put her birth sac over the tank.

[storm jungle]

AAA-

yeah this is why fighting Nids is shit

[normal light]

Or just random Carnifexs pops out of the corner and opens a tank

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/panko-departure-meme-gif-21229160

[winter vessel]

If I see even one Tervigon in Space Marine 2, Imma try and not throw up.

[crystal forum]

fuck chimeras

put me in a baneblade

[storm jungle]

have you seen the Gonarch in HL1

pretty much gonna be that in HD

[normal light]

Pretty good grave variant

[crystal forum]

ok now you're applying realism to 40k

[storm jungle]

https://64.media.tumblr.com/0a131c5c93460c64f70257f2f82094d6/tumblr_mp19yh3GQr1qcb7k0o1_500.gif

[normal light]

I do it unwillingly

[crystal forum]

just look at a 40k tank, it's not made to be taken literally

[storm jungle]

Kinda

[winter vessel]

In grug's voice "ITS LOOSE!"

[storm jungle]

theres still real life inspiration

[crystal forum]

it's more of a vague abstract notion of real life armour

[storm jungle]

and like

its still a tank

it can be damaged and penetrated

[crystal forum]

all the elements are there but it doesn't add up the same

[storm jungle]

40k needs some amount of realism because otherwise you cant really write half the 40k novels we have

[crystal forum]

40k tanks don't care about "being a target"

[storm jungle]

They do tho

[crystal forum]

if you look at a leman russ you can immediately notice how dog shit the profile is. it's bigger than the broad side of a barn

[storm jungle]

Vraks has a section where a remaining tank company sacrifices themselves as bait for traitor titans to get the attention away from a Shadowsword baneblade, because that thing has a titan-killer cannon and if they target it and blow it up they got no chance to take the titans down

of course this plan fails but its still an example lol

[storm jungle]

The leman russ being shit is also explained in lore funnily enough

in a Siege book no less

[crystal forum]

vraks was a bit different because the author took the time to make the battle a bit more realistic i think

[storm jungle]

Well yeah otherwise the suspension of disbelief only goes so far

but Baneblades are still massive big targets

its why they get escort tanks and other shit

[winter vessel]

It's a moving house with guns.

[crystal forum]

but in general the stories i see with tanks is they're just present. no real sense of cohesion apart from them having big guns

[storm jungle]

because 40k writers aren't soldiers and cant write wars

[crystal forum]

they're like background characvters

[storm jungle]

so it saves them the trouble

[green loom]

I like how the IG armour acts in SM2's previews so far

[crystal forum]

it's why i keep having to remind myself to not apply realism too much to 40k. im painfully aware of how real life war works but i have to put aside all that

in 40k tanks just do whatever they want. IRL if you do that without infantry support you're fucked

[winter vessel]

I'm gonna be too focused on keeping all of them alive, lol.

[green loom]

When they're holding ground the vics don't really move and infantry are running around contesting but when you're attacking with them you can see the vics leading the charge

[crystal forum]

that makes sense

[green loom]

Like in one bit a chimera is popping a horde of gaunts and breaking a door down, in another a Russ is moving up to a hill to provide cover for your advance

[storm jungle]

their AI looks a bit shit

i hope its improved on release

I cant protect all the lil uns myself

[crystal forum]

it's not AI i think it's all scripted

[green loom]

It's not hard to improve over SM1 AI

[green loom]

She means the regular guardsman AI

[crystal forum]

oh right

[green loom]

They run in and die

And sometimes just don't shoot

[crystal forum]

guardsman shooting the ground

[winter vessel]

he saw a cocka roach

[green loom]

Tbh their AI sucking is fine, wouldn't be a weird power fantasy if you had real help

[crystal forum]

i think it's pretty bad that they look decent in the background but when you look at them they immediately look like shit

[winter vessel]

I'm gonna be doing a headcount as long as they're following me I'll keep checking "1 2 3 4 5 ...We're missing 6!"

[crystal forum]

hope that doesn't say a lot about the rest of the game

[storm herald]

Lol

[arctic talon]

Their allied AI seems better then one already

💀

[green loom]

Well they do damage when they shoot and when they hit

Which is a step above maybe barely shooting and not actually doing damage

[arctic talon]

They did 1 damage

[storm jungle]

I think a file-diver said they did 0 damage?

I cant remember

[rose thorn]

Learned Cato lord

Baller development

[arctic talon]

I Cato Sicarius have immense survivors guilt

[rose thorn]

I Cato Sicarius hear their screams every night

[crystal forum]

feline caesarian

[plush mason]

wasnt Cato lost in the warp for a while?

[green loom]

He was

[winter vessel]

He didn't get a slice of humble pie from that experience in the Warp, home boy got the whole piece shoved down his throat

[crystal forum]

what the fuck

[storm jungle]

Yeah uh

DLC moment

[arctic talon]

💀

[winter vessel]

That’s hurting my eyes

[odd palm]

So much dlc for so many titles XD

[storm jungle]

I legit love how half of these are just DLCs goddamn

[crystal forum]

i looked and like half of them are either free or 1$

like just create an ultimate edition of the game with all of them included damn

[crisp heath]

In a 1v1 can a custodes take down an imperial knight, the big giant ones or would it just get obliterated by the big laser

I feel like this is one the situations where a custodes would never allow themselves to be in a position to be fired on by the thing

[celest dome]

Probably not

Like if it has plot armour yes, but it's more about the plot armour than the Custodes then

[dusk patrol]

Yeah generally speaking no

They could maybe do it if they get lucky and can grab on, and they’re definitely fast enough to possibly dodge it’s shot until they get close

But it’s a long shot

[coarse pumice]

[green loom]

Is a regiment with heavy plasma usage feasible?

[queen laurel]

I mean if it's a regiment from a planet that pumps out a lot of weapons then maybe

Like they have a lot of plasma guns because their planet makes a lot of weapons and you know vehicles

Just say that this regiment is from a forge world and that forge world specializes in plasma weapon manufacturing

[green loom]

Mhm

[green loom]

Okay so we got a new Realms of Ruin trailer

We've got confirmed AI Skirmish, Army painter, and map creator

also scene editor

[celest dome]

Do we not yet know who the 4th faction is ?

[queen laurel]

The trailer only showed the eternals, kruleboyz, and the ghost thingies which was called nighthaunt

[green loom]

Nop, assuming either Nurgle or Khorne

If it's Slaanesh that'd be cool, but unlikely

Probably Khorne considering it's in Ghur

[queen laurel]

If it's nurgleI will eat my computer I don't want to see him anytime soon

Yeah so please be khorne

[celest dome]

I'm still somewhat disapointed it's not like classical rts with base buildings

[queen laurel]

I mean map building is a thing so at least that's something

[celest dome]

True

[green loom]

They also made a built in machinima tool more or less

The big downside is that

That....

.....It's a Gav Thorpe plot

[celest dome]

Machinima ?

[green loom]

You can effectively script scenes and stuff

With a tool they give you

[queen laurel]

I heard he's not the best writer in the round

[green loom]

Think a movie maker

[celest dome]

He is the one who wrote Malekith

[queen laurel]

https://youtu.be/QU1wFho-6Jk?t=138 here's the map editor segment

[celest dome]

Already had gone to see it

Tbh I mostly wanted a BfME2 but in Warhammer

[queen laurel]

At least that's something but I really wanted the iron jawz, I don't like them puny Krule boyz

[celest dome]

Maybe they'll do like the Total War, and make sequels with Crossgame share

[green loom]

You know what's based about the army painter

You can get different textures depending on what paint you pick

So if you pick

[celest dome]

Like start with Realm of Ruin (Ghur) then do another realm with 4+ factions and so one

[green loom]

Balthasar gold

It'll be metallic

But if you pick Mephiston Red

It'll be Matte

[celest dome]

Honestly I think it will be Chaos Undivided

For the 4th

Not one of the Monogod

Like Slave to Darkness

Maybe adding 1 or 2 factions via Dlc

[plush mason]

was that a nighthaught?

[queen laurel]

You mean the ghost blue people?

I don't know AOS so it seems to be the third one

[plush mason]

yes

[queen laurel]

Yes it would seem so even said it

[green loom]

They had a trailer not long ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn35LpoE7Sw&ab_channel=Warhammer

[queen laurel]

They have that ethereal undead ghost aesthetic

[plush mason]

yeah

[green loom]

I'm going to watch the Adeptus Ridiculous video on Cato now

Pray for me

[green loom]

Violence

[queen laurel]

Just got finished watching adeptus ridiculous?

[green loom]

I'm only 10 minutes in

I am thoroughly upset

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1130865977194717264/1147371756600971274/meme.gif

[queen laurel]

Jesus christ and their videos can last hours

[green loom]

I know I dread to watch further

Time to do this instead

[crystal forum]

i havent heard that term in ages

[nocturne crest]

Remind me, is there such a thing as a las-shotgun?

A lasgun, but it shoots out multiple las beams at once.

[arctic talon]

Yes

Shot Las, mitralock

[sullen cape]

Fractrix Pattern Assault Laser or Shotlas or Lasburst Twin Lasgun.

[celest dome]

While Shotlas are close ranged Lasgun modifications they aren't described as being Shotgun like no ? Its still a normal beam

[arctic talon]

I don't remember ngl

I know for sure Mitralocks are shotguns

[terse flume]

hrmmmm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrlhLaNClgw

i assume both this band and 40k are refering to the same british legal concept of rogue traders, ie people selling illegally somehow - grey market, against measure size standards, etc

and this band isn't 40k related?

yeah. wild, i was like wtf is warhammer doing in his bad mid 2000s pop song

[storm jungle]

parody and IRL references

40k does it a lot

mostly because its fun lol

[terse flume]

yeah it's a bit prachettesque, in that i'll absorb it and years later go ohhhhhhhh he's a lad who works down the chipshop swears he

's Elvish

[queen laurel]

Yo dilara question

can a Blood letter wear space marine armor, because the bloodletter decided to take it as a trophy after the space marine decided to challenge it and lose

[storm jungle]

Trophies maybe but wearing a full armor would be too goofy and weird

[queen laurel]

hmm, I guess I'll just have him bulk out a little

Do the skull taker regime

[celest dome]

Iirc Bloodletter don't use armours cause they're better ogg being lighter and aggressive

[queen laurel]

Let's just say this one is a special one alright, because even lighter demons may develop their own unique personalities and ways of fighting even though most of the time they're pretty straightforward

I mean it's not the most outrageous character

[celest dome]

Well yes.

You could homebrew one to do as such

[queen laurel]

I'm planning to give it twin daemonic chain axes, it got after defeating A horde of bloodletters by itself, also giving him a juggernaut because why not

[spare osprey]

Wazzup

[queen laurel]

Alright tell me if this character is overloaded or it's good enough to exist in warhammer because you're an expert at that

It's a bloodletter I made

[spare osprey]

Fair enough

Ooo daemons

[queen laurel]

Alright here's the background

Name: Gor'varok, The Brass Fury

Background: Gor'varok, The Brass Fury, was once a mere Bloodletter, a servant of Khorne steeped in the bloody traditions of the Chaos God. However, his fate took a brutal turn when he was summoned by a Khorne warband to face a Space Marine in a savage challenge. In a whirlwind of violence and fury, Gor'varok emerged as the victor, decapitating the Space Marine and offering his skull to Khorne as a grim tribute. This pivotal battle marked the beginning of his transformation

[spare osprey]

So far so good

Love the mental visual of a blood letter just chilling and suddenly he’s popped in and is told to kill a space marine

[queen laurel]

Khorne, entertained by this battle decided to test the bloodletter as a way to kill time, Gor'varok was told to survive a horde of his own kind, for days he slaughtered his own kind over and over again without rest until finally Khorne found him worthy

I think this part is the overloaded one

[spare osprey]

When you say own kind

Do you mean daemon in general

Or bloodletters specifically

[queen laurel]

Just bloodletters

Because I'm pretty sure a greater demon will just crush him flat

[spare osprey]

Mhm

[queen laurel]

OK so it's pretty good right?

The background is not too overloaded i think

[spare osprey]

Yeah I’d say it works

Maybe shorten the amount of time he fought for

Otherwise I like it

[queen laurel]

Say 10 hours?

or a single day

[spare osprey]

8 maybe? Make it a bit more bloody but a bit less time

[celest dome]

Make it a multiple of 8

[spare osprey]

I only say 8 cause of Khornes number and all

[queen laurel]

8 days it is then

Alright time for the equipment

Equipment:
Raging Hate: These two daemonic chain axes, forged from the essence of the bloodletters he once slaughtered, are named Raging Hate. Infused with the seething power of Khorne, these axes are devastating weapons capable of cutting through virtually anything that stands in their path. Tanks, infantry, and fortifications alike are torn asunder, leaving nothing but chaos and destruction in their wake.

The Armor of Boiling Hate: The once-ordinary Space Marine armor now worn by Gor'varok has been meticulously blessed and empowered by Khorne himself. This unholy protection grants Gor'varok the ability to shrug off blows from even the most formidable adversaries, including tank fire and barrages of enemy gunfire. In addition to its incredible physical resilience, the armor serves as a bulwark against psychic powers, rendering him a horrifying and nigh-unstoppable force on the battlefield. This twisted relic has saved his life countless times, setting him apart from his fellow Bloodletters.

Wings of Blazing Madness: Bestowed upon him as a divine blessing by Khorne, Gor'varok's wings of fire and madness grant him the gift of flight. With blistering speed, he soars through the skies, chasing down some of the Imperium's swiftest aircraft. From this vantage point, he rains down death and destruction upon his enemies with his deadly chain axes or even takes down air vehicles, leaving chaos in his wake.

Hel'vros: Gor'varok's personal Juggernaut, named Hel'vros, is a monstrous behemoth that towers three feet above an average Juggernaut. With the raw power to charge and obliterate Leman Russ tanks without hesitation, Hel'vros crushes anything foolish enough to stand in its path into a gory pulp. This nightmarish steed serves as Gor'varok's relentless mount, allowing him to traverse the battlefield with unparalleled ferocity and speed.

[celest dome]

Raging Hate
The name would sound more like a single weapon instead of a pair

[queen laurel]

Do you got a better name?

That's the best one I can think of

[celest dome]

So for example Garmr and Gormr are 2 axes of Khorne that are used by a fantasy Warlord

[spare osprey]

Idk I got kin’s blood for one name but can’t think of another

[celest dome]

So i think it would work better if it sound like it is names

Kin's skull
But seriously, Kin's skull

[queen laurel]

I mean it is made out of the bloodletters he slaughtered so

kin's skull it is

[spare osprey]

Kin’s skull and kin’s pelvis

[queen laurel]

OK so for the name i decided it's going to be Kin's Skull and Kin's Blood Lust

That's the best I can come up with and it's refers to two weapons that's good enough for me

[versed ledge]

does a sister of battle trooper type called "Curia" mean anything to any SOB players here?

[plush mason]

i assume you mean curia advance

basically they are more experienced members of the Orders Hospitaller

[versed ledge]

oh....they're hospitallers

[celest dome]

Curia -> Cure

[thick cedar]

I read that warp energy can sap the heat, this is backed by the loner psyker voice complaining about how hes always cold. So are all psykers just cold all the time?

[plush mason]

maybe not all the time but when channeling the warp yeah

[green loom]

It's le classic supernatural effect

[plush mason]

yeah

everything getting cold, ice and fog that kinda stuff

[versed ledge]

How many tanks will it take to take down a warhound scout titan?

[celest dome]

Depend on the tank

Some tanks are Titan Killers

[storm jungle]

Yeah warhounds are the basic titan

They can take a beating but if they are surrounded its like an Ants vs Scorpion situation

[versed ledge]

lewman russ vanquisher pattern

[celest dome]

Vanquisher aren't the Titan killer one, but they are great agains them, so if they get the drop on the Titan, maybe 1 or 2

[crystal forum]

a shadowsword? a single one can vaporize a warhound

same goes for all the "super" variants of the tanks IE the destroyer (variant of leman russ without a turret) and the valdor tank hunter (tank destroyer version of malcador tank with similar turbo weapon to destroyer)

a vanquisher leman russ is made to fight armoured enemies. a more typical engagement for a "random" leman russ would be a battle cannon or a demolisher

[echo vault]

I'd say the executioner one with the plasma gun could do it

[nocturne crest]

What about the Leman Russ Eradicator?

[echo vault]

Is that the volkite one

[normal light]

No , it has Nova Cannon

[celest dome]

Volkite is Inferno iirc.
Nova Cannon I don't remember what that is, is it the sub atomic one ?

[arctic talon]

Nova cannon is an imperial rail gun

Is the short answer

There’s a smaller one on a lemen russ varient

[crystal forum]

i dont think there's a link between the two weapons even though the lexicanum redirects to the ship weapon

the nova cannon on the leman russ is just a very explosive demolisher cannon sorta deal

[arctic talon]

Huh

Nvm then

I always thought it was a smaller one that just accelerates a shell super fast

[crystal forum]

would be kinda weird considering how much power is required for a ship nova cannon

[arctic talon]

True

[undone zodiac]

40k writers trying not to create what even is this tier weapons

Dvorgite skinner is my particular favourite among this list

[queen laurel]

orks have a lot of this but my favorite in particular is

[undone zodiac]

Like its description makes it weirder

"exotic weapons such as Dvorgite skinners, which charge biological material to create a searing stream of energy"

[queen laurel]

I looked it up

I don't understand how

These weapons charge biological material to create a searing stream of energy

What does it mean by that

[undone zodiac]

I just imagine it being either some microwave flamethrower

[queen laurel]

I think the closest thing I can think of it's it's a flame thrower powered by bio mass

Since kroot harvest a lot of corpses

[undone zodiac]

Considering it has ap 2

Gotta say its nasty strong in killteam

Sometimes the redo same guns too

Like i think we got 3 diffirently named bolt pistols that are exact same

[queen laurel]

Yeah, i think it burns biological materials to create a stream of energy

Like a flame thrower

Because that's the only thing I can think of

[undone zodiac]

I reminds me of kf 2 microwave gun

[queen laurel]

What are the factions in kill team again

i know orks and tau

And of course the space marine because they're everywhere

Are there others too

[undone zodiac]

Theres a shit ton

Loyalist marines got only 2 bespoke teams

Rest are compendium ones

There are vet guard, traitor guard, eldar pirates, kroot

Most have at least one team

[queen laurel]

yeah even the new arrival the votann has one

[undone zodiac]

I love that they have tac ploy just called "worth it"

Beastmen are my favourite one asthetically

I really wish we got more loyalist beastmen

[queen laurel]

it's obvious what i like

But I admit the kommandos in this game look sick

[normal light]

Blooded Moment

[undone zodiac]

Renegade guard look really nice

Planned painting them too one day

Albeit i have a metric ton of killteams already

[crystal forum]

40k weapons do indeed tend to be nonsensical in a lot of ways

it's surprising really the amount of "trust me bro it just works" they do for a lot of guns

[terse flume]

chain weapons are so stupid, lol

[crystal forum]

like wtf is a melta weapon? Other sci fi settings would at least attempt to explain it

[terse flume]

a chainsaw is a complex mechanical part they're really difficult to weaponize and lol swinging them like a fuckin club

love to see the chain interlinks after a single swing

[crystal forum]

hey at least you can understand the concept of a chainsaw weapon. I'm more talking about weapons that have no explanation at all for how they work and we're just supposed to assume its function

like gauss weapons

[terse flume]

see i go the other way and am like, okay they put the sci fi magic here. okay, they have some absurdly efficent fuel source, sure fine

but i know how fuckin chainsaws work

you can see! the complex machine parts in the evis "blade"

[crystal forum]

yeah i guess it can be even more annoying when you know how it's supposed to work lmao

[crystal forum]

the really fucked up part is how they look like they run on fossil fuel

as if magical eletrical motors wasn't bad enough

[queen laurel]

ork design philosophy in a nutshell

[queen laurel]

"sub-atomic reaction in a chemical fuel source to produce a tightly-focused beam of intense, searing heat"

" A Meltagun works by inducing a minute, sub-molecular reaction within a highly-pressurised pyrum-petrol fuel mix located within an ammunition canister, and then projecting the resulting plasma through the canister and from the weapon's barrel as a blast of incredible heat"

What I'm getting is they somehow is able to produce a dangerous chemical reaction on a subatomic level

Without the gun somehow turning itself into a ******* bomb

[crystal forum]

see? it has two entirely different methods of operating and we're just supposed to assume it uses one of them

[queen laurel]

It doesn't have two ways of operation they're both explaining how it works one is just longer

[crystal forum]

and i just don't get what the effect on the target is supposed to be. does it create a melting beam of hot energy that creates holes through things or does it splash the target with chemicals that burn away

like these two methods of operating have very different sounding effects

[crystal forum]

no, look at the wiki again

there's two types of melta guns

[queen laurel]

small scale fusion reaction (using a Pyrum/Promethium fuel mix for some imperial weapons), which is projected as a blast which can burn through almost anything, with greater effect the closer to the target

[crystal forum]

ones that work with a beam of energy and ones that work with chemicals

[queen laurel]

This one is from the lexicanum

So it produces the same power reaction as with stars

And the energy is apparently directed at the barrel and unleashed on a violent blast

Let me check the other one

[thick cedar]

I heard psyker powers is effective against AI because they cant comprehend psyker powers

is that true?

[crystal forum]

hold on i need to find out where i saw that

im 80% sure there's two ways of operating

The multi-melta is a vicious and effective Imperial anti-tank weapon, with longer range than its man-portable counterpart but still shorter than other heavy weapons. In different sources, melta weapons are described as firing with either a blinding flash and emitting a beam of light, or just projecting a nearly invisible beam of intense heat. Targets are just melted away, turning creatures to ash and vehicles into twisted goo.[1]
@queen laurel

[queen laurel]

Yeah so it really depends on interpretation huh

But it seems to have still the same effect

[crystal forum]

yeah it's annoying

[queen laurel]

Turn the target into melted pieces of goo

[queen laurel]

At least the effect is consistent

I always prefer the beam of light interpretation

Like the one in space marine

[crystal forum]

yeah me too

the chemical one just sounds like a long range flamer

and meltas don't look like they have fuel cannisters

[queen laurel]

Yeah they use fuel of course but they burn the fuel so hot that it turns into a blast of plasma that you could probably see

The intense heat version that's nearly invisible would make it look like a blow dryer that was just super pumped up to 11

[crystal forum]

see that's another thing i dont get about melta guns

arent they essentially plasma guns but anti armour

[crystal forum]

and i just see it as like a super powered microwave gun

[queen laurel]

it says small scale fusion reaction

From what I heard

In a fusion reaction, two light nuclei merge to form a single heavier nucleus

this is the reaction that powers a star

So basically the gun has found a way to do the same reaction that a star can do

To produce an unbelievable amount of power that then blast out in the front

[crystal forum]

nuclear fusion but in a gun

i like that

[queen laurel]

That's what I understand

I'm not a nuclear physicist

[crystal forum]

well it would fit in with how power sources in 40k are utterly magical

[queen laurel]

Yes that would be it, the resulting energy in the gun is then blasted out in the front to evaporate the poor bastard that decided to be a target

[queen laurel]

Yeah the plasma gun being a notorious example

And don't even get me started on trying to figure out the gravity gun

[crystal forum]

you just need to look at lasguns

[queen laurel]

Yeah those things that are basically going to be pretty useful in the real world

your mag is out of ammo?

Chuck it in a campfire

You want a grenade?

[crystal forum]

wtf is thermodynamics

[queen laurel]

You can overload those things to turn them into explosive

"thermodynamics deals with the transfer of energy from one place to another and from one form to another"

google

[crystal forum]

im joking

[queen laurel]

But yes warhammer is not something you would look in for trying to make sense of something

In this universe a green fungus could grow in your backyard, break into your house, and turn your washing machine into a chainsaw and kill you with it

[storm jungle]

Yeah i was gonna say you guys are thinking way too deep about this

[queen laurel]

I'm going to have in-depth conversation about weaponry if it means I have fun

[terse flume]

this is broadly why chainsaws bother me more

[queen laurel]

leave me alone

[terse flume]

it's like yeah okay magic unobtanium whatever

sure they built a fusion reactor in a watch battery, fine

[queen laurel]

You're bothered by something that is completely tame, compared to a sword that vibrates in and out of dimensions to slice something?

[terse flume]

yes! i can't test a magic vibrating sword, it's fictional

it would be like if there was a gun, and it was like a real world gun in function and description, but it did something a gun obviously couldn't do

like fire idk a gas

[storm jungle]

https://pastebin.com/BYUwYRfH

Oh boy its out

Spoilers obviously

[queen laurel]

I'm kinda late on the book series crap so can you please explain this to me in the way my brain doesn't explode

[storm jungle]

Fall of Cadia

literally just came out

[queen laurel]

And it's already floating around?

[storm jungle]

This is a summary

but like, an extremely long one

[queen laurel]

People are quick huh

[queen laurel]

oh yeah, besides Mike Brooks, is Nate Crowley a good ork book writer?

[storm jungle]

Yes.

[queen laurel]

well then

That's something to watch out for

[green loom]

This is making me enjoy Abaddon a lot more

[normal light]

So what`s the topic of current discussion?

[green loom]

Hype thing

Legion of the Damned are real again