40k-lore-chat

[plush mason]

the korps exists mainly just to have a WW1 looking regiment for the TT lol

[queen laurel]

Same with orks like many people would think that purple is sneaky even though in Lore it does literally nothing for the orks

[plush mason]

yeah

hell blue is lucky and red is fast, why would those 2 mixed make an ork sneaky anyway?

[queen laurel]

yeah, there are 4 color beliefs in orks

[undone zodiac]

Orpheus war

[queen laurel]

yellow = dakka
black = ded 'ard

red= fast

blue= luck

[plush mason]

yup

[undone zodiac]

Green=best

No wonder blood axes love olive drab

[plush mason]

dont they use brown as a tribe color?

[queen laurel]

no

random colors as camouflage

Like they will have a snow camouflage while in the desert

[plush mason]

lol

[celest dome]

Isn't Yellow rich cause of Teef ?

[queen laurel]

They just believe it makes them better at hiding

[queen laurel]

yeah but it has a double meaning

The clan that loves yellow primarily uses long range fire

the bad moonz

Which is also the richest

[celest dome]

I though White/Black checker was explosions
But that might just be Borderland

[plush mason]

isnt the rich part just because the tribe that uses yellow have teef that grow back way faster than the other orks?

[queen laurel]

Yeah

bad moonz are super rich because their teeth grow faster

That's why they can afford highly custom guns and they can just stay back and outgun even a tau gun line

[queen laurel]

Black and white are goffz. They are the biggest and the toughest of orks and they're very proud of that I think the reason why you are confused is that it's mentioned that they love using Stikkbombs

[crystal forum]

the only guard regiments that get any nuance at all are tanith and cadia

actually nvm cadia is extremely one sided

and tanith are space marines but human because they straight up never die

[storm jungle]

they do tho

they gotta get resupplied with new members constantly

lmao

[frosty stag]

Pov

Im a bilepiper

What do you do

[storm jungle]

[frosty stag]

Listen to my silly songs

They make you laugh

Nothing bad could happen from a few laughs at one of my jokes

[queen laurel]

Your music is too silent, let me help

[frosty stag]

Could a bilepiper’s “curse” cause an ork to laugh to death

Cuz i know it affects other daemons and humans

[spare osprey]

Love me a Goff rocker

[queen laurel]

grenade microphone always funny

[spare osprey]

Damn right

The vocals are boomin

[frosty stag]

I like his hat

Idk why but i look dumb in any hat except top hats or flat backs

[queen laurel]

Yeah, age of sigmar orcs are still technically just fantasy orcs and they can laugh to death but maybe more resilient than others because they're so f****** stubborn and shaman might just protect them from the curse entirely

[frosty stag]

Fair enough

[crystal forum]

ok let me rephrase that
they straight up don't die to the level you'd expect from a guard regiment

[storm jungle]

Yeah because they are small

they arent a massive army

[crystal forum]

I'm willing to give Dan one point for that actually

he actually manages to make tanith feel like its homeworld is dead

unlike cadia who don't seem affected at all by it

[spare osprey]

Think that’s just the fact the cadians are everywhere at this point.

Tanith don’t really have that luxury

[storm jungle]

^

Tanith were being literally mobilized as Chaos attacked.

Cadians are legion.

[spare osprey]

Unnumbered purple beady eyes

[storm jungle]

The Cadians also have the eldritch ability to turn any regiment they make physical contact with into Cadians.

[spare osprey]

Foul magics

[queen laurel]

The only reason why there are other guard regiments is to have them do the strategy cadians don't do

Like it's literally mostly cadians then they will throw in this regiment that specializes in this type of warfare because cadians don't specialized on that

[nocturne crest]

Are there any Cadians on Terra?

[arctic talon]

Probably lol

[plush mason]

wherent they just sent all over the imperium?

[nocturne crest]

There's probably someone from the imperial faith who considers the Canadians tainted due to their warp eyes.

[plush mason]

100%

hell one sect on one of the worlds the nid invaded recently tried to say "there is no xeno invasion, the imperium is just trying to take our world from us" even as the nids started to literally rain down from the sky

and if that aint a satiric allegory for what happened in America during covid i would be shocked lol

moral of the story is. there are always members of the imperial faith ready willing and able to fuck over the imperium at large and persecute anyone at any time for any reason

ofc fucking itself over is the one thing the imperium is always great at

[versed ledge]

You guys think there are restaurants in the imperium manned by servitors and owned by the wh40k version of silicone valley dudes?

[arctic talon]

no because any sort of major industry is controlled by tech priests and servitors are pretty expensive

[versed ledge]

but it's just a lobotimized cyborg, the organic components are easy to replace, and same with the bionics

[arctic talon]

Still incredibly expensive

Servitors are expensive

It’s cheaper to just use slaves

You still need to wash and feed servitors

[versed ledge]

ah fair, slaves are better in that regard then,,, I mean "unpaid interns"

but washing a servitor is just simple as using a DI pressure washer, as for feeding maybe a gastro-intestinal tube

[runic crane]

Is there any explanation or reason as to why some servitors and tech priest have numbers in their names?

[green loom]

Labelling/inventory

[arctic talon]

Some tech priests are from a vat grown batch of kids, the number indicates that

[sullen cape]

Some senior tech priest have junior tech priest as their propperoty. Like crawl with his primaris aphla smarine or his own private vaults factories run by his owned servants.

[frosty stag]

So is humanity able to produce asexually

[queen laurel]

Cloning is kind of what do you call it

heretical

[frosty stag]

I see

So it’s plausible but youd get murdered for it

[queen laurel]

it's not really heretical it's just disliked

as cloning can have very you know unpredictable results

[frosty stag]

So youd go to jail

[queen laurel]

depending on your circumstances you can get away with it

the biggest example is the mechanicus since they literally fix and provide tech

you really can't do anything with them
unless you want your guns mysteriously disappearing out of the void

[frosty stag]

What if i told them

I was sorry

[celest dome]

While Cloning is not really allowed, Vat Grown children are

[queen laurel]

what's the difference between that and cloning

isn't cloning just growing an organism using the DNA of something

[frosty stag]

So the child is grown in a vat but produced the other way?

[celest dome]

Clones are made by replicating the Dna of a person, Vat Grown are more like artificial insemination type stuff

[frosty stag]

Oh i get it

[celest dome]

In theory still need Dna from "parents" but not a real clone

[arctic talon]

You still need the egg and sperm of people

But tech priests don’t have sex normally

It’s not really a part of mechanicus culture

And pregnancy is seen as being unecessarily dangerous

“The Magos Medicae who tended to the physical wellbeing of the Legio crews dispassionately laid out the procedures to be used. The gruesomeness of his descriptions was worsened by the detached tone of his voxmitter. There would be pain. Ruptures. Potential organ damage. Parts of her that she would rather a knife never come near might need to be cut to facilitate the birth. She could even die.”

[frosty stag]

So i cant have sex with hadron?!?!

Damn

[celest dome]

You maybe can, but it won't be for making children I suppose

[frosty stag]

I hate kids anyways

[queen laurel]

the fuck

[arctic talon]

I mean

In a way it is

[queen laurel]

Well I expected that with humanity

[arctic talon]

Mothers die in childbirth quite a bit

Even in developed countries

[celest dome]

At least it's not Skaven Broodmothers

[frosty stag]

Yeah it makes sense

[frosty stag]

https://tenor.com/view/seinfeld-jerry-seinfeld-shudder-gif-3979544

So do you guys know all the lore?

Specifically @arctic talon

Fantasy and 40k

[arctic talon]

I know too much lore for my own good

Tbh

But I still get things wrong heh

I’m just good with eldar, mechanicus and some guard lore

[celest dome]

Woah, Bilepiper doesn't care about me

[queen laurel]

If you know every single thing about these two universes

I am very concerned for your health and the fact that i look like a great unclean one in real life makes this more concerning

[frosty stag]

I want to get to that point

[queen laurel]

I specialize in greenskin lore specifically orcs in fantasy and orks in 40K

[frosty stag]

I specialize in some nurgle lore

[arctic talon]

[frosty stag]

Yes i do

I just remember somehow teaching you lore so i know you don’t know all of it

[celest dome]

The one setting I know very few of is AoS, other than that:
Fantasy: Dwarf, Undead, Empire and Orks
40k: Admech, IG, used to know about the Sisters but the lore had quite a few Retcons so not sure anymore

And for both Khorne and Slaanesh a little bit, and some Tzeentch too

Nurgle not so much

[frosty stag]

See

Technically not all of it

[celest dome]

Nobody should know everything from warhammer

[frosty stag]

I should

[celest dome]

It's not healthy

[frosty stag]

My undiagnosed autism demands it

[queen laurel]

I'm way too addicted to the green skins

yes that is multiple bookmarks to anything related to the orks of GW

[frosty stag]

I just open up fandom when i want a lore fix

Or ask it here if im feeling particularly lonely when i want my lore fix

[frosty stag]

?

[normal light]

By that I meant I do the same thing. Open Fandom when I need Lore

[frosty stag]

Ah ok

Sorry im slow and half awake

[normal light]

ok

[green loom]

I've read excerpts and wikis for years and have picked up stuff from osmosis

[frosty stag]

I like lore

Before i play games i have to research a bit of lore first

[green loom]

I get my first models today

[normal light]

True for me

[queen laurel]

good luck on painting

[frosty stag]

Pog

Which ones

[frosty stag]

Nice!

[queen laurel]

Are you gonna try to paint your angels bulwark

[green loom]

Can't, no red

[frosty stag]

My first ever box was the stormcast one

[green loom]

Just trying ultras to start

[queen laurel]

damn

[green loom]

If I like it though then definitely

[queen laurel]

they are pretty good, doesn't have too much details but has enough to really challenge you

[frosty stag]

I hope you have fun

[normal light]

I don`t have any minies 😔

[frosty stag]

My first models i had so much fun i painted till midnight

[frosty stag]

Careful

They will eat your wallet

[green loom]

ATM scrounging the house for stuff to make a wet pallete

[queen laurel]

Especially if you paint something like orcs or the imperial guard

[frosty stag]

I use paper plates

[queen laurel]

I'm not a painter but I know those two will rip apart your wallet

[normal light]

I already save it , and know it from friends

[green loom]

I just learned how to order stuff

So if I can't get a new PC I'll treat myself to some stuff

[frosty stag]

Nids also eat your wallet funny enough

[queen laurel]

I mean they are a horde army so that is to be expected

[frosty stag]

Yeah

Cadia stands more like cadias sand

[queen laurel]

Yeah armies that require a lot of models in general is devastating to the wallet empire

[frosty stag]

Sorry that just popped into my head

[normal light]

Most armies will eat your wallet

[frosty stag]

Yeah thats why i only buy death guard sylvaneth maggotkin salamanders nekrons and skaven

Hold up im forgetting one

I do have nids

[normal light]

I am thinking what bought in first place

[frosty stag]

Oh yeah i want to start that one coven of eldar

The color bio engineering ones

[queen laurel]

surprisingly the army that is so good in lore that their cost of maintaining their equipment is so high that multiple planets are needed planets is the cheapest

Custodes

[normal light]

Well I suspected it

Because they usually don`t need a lot of models

[queen laurel]

yeah. Basically the less models you require for an army the cheaper it is

[normal light]

Thinking of those guys

To start with

[frosty stag]

Buy start collectings first

[normal light]

?

Meaning

[frosty stag]

There are boxes called start collectings

They are good

[normal light]

Well they are usually pretty costy

[frosty stag]

Yeah thats true

The sylvaneth one cost me 80 usd

[normal light]

I don`t know where to buy it in my country

Online I mean

[frosty stag]

Amazon might have them

And they are usually cheaper

[normal light]

Okay I was wrong

they cheaper then Combat Patrol

[arctic talon]

They’re older

[frosty stag]

Combat patrol seems expensive

Warhammer is expensive

[arctic talon]

Also the sculpts in the start collecting are older

CSM got 2 seperate updates to their legionaries which was weird

[frosty stag]

My sylvaneth fall apart alot

[arctic talon]

But one set was monopose

[arctic talon]

That sounds like you didn’t glue properly ngl

[frosty stag]

Gotta glue broken leafs on constantly

[arctic talon]

Oh

Yeah spindles

Nvm

[frosty stag]

Geez

I am a master glueer

I like sylvaneth

No idea their lore tho

Skaven piss them off alot is all i knoe

[arctic talon]

Literal wood elves

They don’t like fleshy people who don’t respect nature

They also don’t like the wood elf survivors of the old world

Mostly since when chaos re-emerged they ran off

And scattered instead of staying and fighting with the sylvaneth

[frosty stag]

Cringe

Tree people are amazing

[arctic talon]

They have somewhat forgiven the old wood elf survivors

But they still see them as cowardly

[frosty stag]

I would too

If i could be any sci-fi or fantasy creature id be an ent

Or tree spirit

I want to get a tattoo sleeve that makes my arm look like a tree

[green loom]

[queen laurel]

your cat sure seems exited

[green loom]

wow these are

MUCH smaller than I expected

[cerulean wagon]

Just realized i never did this so

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_8OPzy1Q4QA4oSerKSUCFpgdLg1kUYFA&si=2_7opXYRfYeZ_0GS

So when people ask about extra darktide lore bits we can point them at the pins

[storm jungle]

The vox transmissions are pretty underrated

[celest dome]

We just need more of them

[queen laurel]

i can't wait when suddenly a gene stealer cult just pops out of nowhere

i'm sure the other hive city is lost

yeah totally

[celest dome]

Nothing in the Vox Interception point to GSC

And they point toward us going downward and not another Hive (Which likely gonna be used for a Chaos Waste like system)

[queen laurel]

a man can dream

gene stealers are a perfect enemy type for dark tide

[celest dome]

In your opinion, not in mine

There's already a tide like for GSC

[normal light]

What do you mean by that?

[storm jungle]

Spacehulk?

[normal light]

Oh he meant games

[storm jungle]

Though GSC are definitely the easiest to implement

they got a lot of units that you can use as specials/elites

[queen laurel]

That's what I'm saying

[normal light]

They are made like game enemies

built like them

[storm jungle]

No joke they kinda are

like you got the shooters, the elites, the mini-bosses etc

its kinda down to execution

not sure how you could program them without making them Diet Dregs

[queen laurel]

You can replace the ogryns with aberrants
There's literally an evolution that specializes in explosives so that's your bomber

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much

GSC also use netguns as one of their weapon options too

but like i said you kinda need to do more than just make them reskinned dregs/scabs

[celest dome]

Other Chaos Cult have much more depth to what they can offer for me

[queen laurel]

the easy part is making them fitting in darktide

The hard part is making them unique

[normal light]

It`s usually more in daemons and stuff like that I think

[storm jungle]

Its tricky because Beastmen didn't offer that much to the VT enemy roster.

Like the foot-enemies were kinda the same

its the elites that had some new quirks

You also cant excuse GSC working with the Nurglite forces unlike Vermintide where chaos/evil factions can intermix in a level

🤔

[queen laurel]

Yeah you would have to make a new level that is far away from the main war zone

[celest dome]

Oh yea the Hordes/Bruiser and such would be for the most part reskins of each others, maybe with armour variants to make it somewhat different

[storm jungle]

yeah like i said its tricky

im sure its doable

im just not that smart to figure it out lmao

[queen laurel]

I think they are one of the more obvious options though

You can definitely go another way but right now they're the more obvious one

[celest dome]

Other Cults of Chaos (Khorne/Slaanesh/Tzeentch) is more obvious, as they can make them without having to make the enemies work against each other

And before someone says that they would just be recoloured Dregs, that would be the dumb way to do such

As each Chaos God have different aspects that can be spun into different cults

Like a Slaaneshi Noise Cult

[queen laurel]

I can see these but I can only see them as buffs for the most part because Nurglee has way too deep of a control I mean literally the other faction worships him

[celest dome]

Buff ?

[queen laurel]

Like for example khorne gives extra melee damage to melee enemies something like that

tzeentch can increase flamer damage because they use warp fire or something like that

[celest dome]

That's a bad way to look at that, if they do additional factions they should give them different origin, and for the most part the same as the current ones but with different armour values, and adding on top of that units that really represent those factions well

[queen laurel]

it's just a suggestion because nurgle has so much grip on atoma that I don't know how the other chaos gods will find a way to get into the action

[celest dome]

For example, Khorne getting an Enforcer Cult, where it's Bruisers are Convicts, it's horde are Civilians that are infected with a Khornate rage
And ranged units being Enforcers turned traitors

[queen laurel]

I mean for ***** sake the green dregs literally worship him

[celest dome]

Nurgle doesn't currently controle a single Hive atm, unless the second Hive is totally controlled but the Cults

And the GSC would have more problem than a Chaos cult then

[queen laurel]

That is fair it's just that in the game all I see is green mutants green demons and the literal plague ogryn, even the beasts of nurgle is around here

[celest dome]

Yeah, cause the areas we're going to are those under Dreg and Scab control

[queen laurel]

Maybe the blood pack could be a good contender in another area waging head on war

But yeah the planet is pretty wide so I'm pretty sure they can find a way to insert the other gods

At the moment a lot of the places we just go through have a lot of nurgle corruption

[celest dome]

Yeah, cause we're fighting a cult that is currently Overt, while the other (And/or GSC) currently are still hiding, but in the future, where we would have already cause quite some damage to the current alliance we would see other Cults join up with them cause the Dreg are less powerful and couldn't squash them so they have to work together

[normal light]

Nurgle Followers mostly control Slums and Lower Levels

[queen laurel]

yeah but I don't fancy my chances against a blood letter

[normal light]

Well Bloodletter will be a little to much I think

[celest dome]

Same as we would have against a Plaguebearers, they aren't that tough

They would be proper elites like the Ogryn trio

[queen laurel]

I mean currently the highest ranking demon we saw is a beast of nurgle so what's the equivalent for each faction in terms turn off of power level anyway

[normal light]

Khorne Cultists could also have Juggernauts

[normal light]

To replace default hounds

Slower hound but deals damage in melee

more tough because of carapace armor

[queen laurel]

bro, we will be flattened into ******* cheese if even one of them charges us

[normal light]

and maybe cannot pin down a player but rather deal a greate amount of damage

[normal light]

Why not?

Also yes , Glory to the Ruinous Powers is supose

[queen laurel]

khorne has flesh hounds

[normal light]

Or made ogryn brutes armed with power drills or large scrap blades

[normal light]

I know

[queen laurel]

So that could just be the replacement

[normal light]

AND UNDER COMBAT STIMS

[normal light]

Maybe Karnak mini boss

[queen laurel]

that would be a Berzerker ogryn

[normal light]

yes

Maybe also mutant rabble (beastman)

Also

Tzeentch Cultists may have a Changeling as mini-boss

or Exalted Flamer

[celest dome]

BoN would be Fiend of Slaanesh and Flamer of Tzeentch (Or Disk of Tzeentch, but Flamer serve more of the same role persay)
Hounds as is would more appropriate as a Pox Hound variant (Maybe trading Infested for Maniac ?)

For the Khronate Monster it, from Khornate Daemons we could see some new things, or something like Scylla Amgrimfist
I'd do with an exalted Hound of Khorne (Make it bigger than regular and give it 2 heads for example)

[queen laurel]

i guess the smaller demon would be perfect for hound variant but for a bigger boss one how about the three headed version of the hound

the karanak

[celest dome]

Karanak itself no

But a generic variant why not

[queen laurel]

There is actually something that is perfect for that now that I look deeper into it

[celest dome]

Gore hounds are mutated dudes through Gore Mages, from the Blood Cults, don't think they ever gave arts of them

[queen laurel]

Well khorne is simple you only really have four choices in demons it seems

Something like a bloodthirster is definitely out

Same with the juggernaut

But you can find a way to include the flesh hounds and the bloodletters

as special enemies

[celest dome]

Greater Daemon wouldn't make sense, power scale wise
But there is always the possibility of FS creating new Daemons, like how Dark Heresy (iirc) made the Vile Savant for Nurgle

[queen laurel]

Yeah they could probably just make decently strong creatures that have been influenced by the chaos gods as a type of replacement

[celest dome]

Seeing as BoN is the only real Daemon atm, and Plaguebearers would make more sense as Elites (Maybe Specials/Elites too), i think 1 Daemon Monster (In Which case twin headed/generic lesser variant of Karanak), and then another Monster that isn't a Daemon

[queen laurel]

Right now for khorne the equivalent of this beast of nurgle would be a super juiced flesh hound

[celest dome]

If it's Enforcer then Sanctioner Automata (Pic 1), with 2 variants

• Pacifier assault claws and Assault rams with Man-catcher
• Pacifier assault claws and Concusion Cannon with Man-catcher

If it was GSC, the 2/3 Monster would be an Abominant and a Patriarch ?

Aberrant would be Ogryn stand ins

[queen laurel]

aberrants are Ogryn equivalent, for a special i guess that would be the abominant

[celest dome]

Already had fixed it

[queen laurel]

I know but I want to contribute something in the conversation let me be

[celest dome]

Well we can think of the 3rd, maybe a variant like how the Toxgryn are gonna be

[queen laurel]

going back a little this could be corrupted in a way like just throw a demon inside it

and you effectively have something that you can use as a boss

[celest dome]

Yeah, there is actually some dead dude's mind in it, so would easily be corrupted

[rose thorn]

FUCK YEAHHHHH

Love these things

[queen laurel]

And they're just apparently the size of an ogryn

So they're not even that big

But it seems they're pretty exclusive on necromunda because they don't share tech

[celest dome]

Well atm they are only on Necromunda, but it's only cause Necromunda has more lore than basically 90% of the other planets

[queen laurel]

Yeah that is true there is literally a gang there that can reconstruct something similar to a jet bike even though jet bikes can't be constructed by the imperium

[celest dome]

Actually those are able to be contructed by plenty of area, it's those powerful enough to lift SM that aren't iirc

Like Elysia and iirc Tallarn had lore about Jet vehicles on their planets

[queen laurel]

So they can only reconstruct the pale imitations

[pine wedge]

this is the key i think.

lots of hive cities or forgeworlds have proprietary shit like this wandering around, probably. you just dont know about it.

[celest dome]

And you @pine wedge, who/what would you like to see as a future faction ?

[pine wedge]

for DT?

[celest dome]

ye

[pine wedge]

I would love GSC, big 'nid fan

either in another hive city or rising up out of the depths of the tertium underhive and messing up everyone's plans

[celest dome]

Well, we're not on the same side then

Witchfinder !
What about you ?

[storm jungle]

Uhhhh

I would be fine with either

any new content is always neat

[queen laurel]

Coward

( jk )

[celest dome]

Nah, Coward not jk, take a stance, stop being Swiss

[queen laurel]

I work as I see fit and plus i do the occasional jabbing at her from time to time

Maybe this time I need to calm down a little yeah

[celest dome]

I'll be Mad cop you be nice cop

[queen laurel]

nah I'm the janitor I'm just here

[rose thorn]

Who’s the psycho that came up with hive cities anyway?

[storm jungle]

Kowloon Moment

[queen laurel]

me when I am in the " solve this problem in the most horrible way possible " competition and my opponent is the imperium of man

[celest dome]

Probably would have to look at Arcology and Megastructures, like Planet wide cities are first in one of the Foundation book

[rose thorn]

“Our lasguns keep over heating, I wish there was a way we could shoot less but still do as much if not more damage!”

The guy who’s about invent the overcharged las gun:

Also the plasma gun is literkaly a fucking car battery gun of 40k and I don’t know how that makes me feel

[pine wedge]

DAoT mankind, iirc.

They were intended as fully self-sustaining cities for rapid galactic colonization

Many of the hive cities you see in M41 have been crumbling under their own weight for more than ten thousand years

[celest dome]

Without proper maintenance to boot

[queen laurel]

Ah yes the dark age of technology, the time when the imperium decided to make something even bigger and more dangerous than an emperor class titan

[winter vessel]

This looks funny to me. You got two titans in the background, one of them has the hunchback look while the other looks like its standing up straight. And in the foreground you have the Astartes. One guy is standing up normal, but the other is wearing the bulky terminator armor that gives him the hunchback appearance.

[frosty stag]

If a ogryn was smart enough to use psyker powers well what “power level” would that put him on

Like how strong could that be

[storm jungle]

Entirely depends on the ogryn

psyker powers are varied

[queen laurel]

The psychic ogryn on the Ghazghkull book forced the orks to change tactics

But this question is still quite hard to answer because this only happened once on the setting

[storm jungle]

Also yeah, that ogryn was also pretty educated thanks to her tutors

[queen laurel]

And another plus it was a female ogryn to which is not often seen in the setting

[frosty stag]

Yeah i was about to ask

[queen laurel]

So yes thanks to the riff or whatever the f*** is causing it

Psyker ogryns are becoming a thing

[storm jungle]

Female Ogryns always existed its just that the lore never talks about them

[frosty stag]

Sounds fun

Not at all a danger

[queen laurel]

Yeah it's like pokemon getting eaten it's there but we don't talk about it

[frosty stag]

How rare are female ogryn

[queen laurel]

Not at all

They are just mostly on their planets doing their own thing

It's the males that do the dirty work

[frosty stag]

Like 1 out of 10 ogryn rare or like regular sex shit

[storm jungle]

Yes

they are humans

[frosty stag]

Ah ok

[storm jungle]

they multiply through sex

[frosty stag]

No

[storm jungle]

Yes

[frosty stag]

I mean like

Gender sex

Not fuck sex

[queen laurel]

If you're talking about the gender ratio

[frosty stag]

Yeah that

Sorry im tored

[storm jungle]

Yeah there would be a normal number of female ogryns

theres nothing stopping them from it

[frosty stag]

Alright

[queen laurel]

Ogryn females are not rare

They just live on the planets

[frosty stag]

I see

[queen laurel]

Because combat is mostly done by the males

The very rare example of a female ogryn that had combat experience was the one i mentioned that was also psyker

There are no other examples of them showing up on lore besides that

[frosty stag]

Damn

[queen laurel]

They are just a thing that exist

[storm jungle]

Its an effect of 40k being mostly a macho-guy setting for the last 20 years

female representation in general unless you are a Sister of Battle was extremely rare

[celest dome]

There are Ogryn Psyker

[frosty stag]

Due to shitty righters?

Wrighters*

[winter vessel]

writers?

[frosty stag]

Fuck spelling

[queen laurel]

I don't think when the setting was made, a women looking at an ork caving in the head of a space marine appealing

Back then it was definitely aimed towards guys

[frosty stag]

Yeah fair enough

[queen laurel]

As the setting you know expanded they added things that can make it the other gender you know have their place in the universe

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah the dilara i have a question

Can you overwrite a daemons allegiance

Like if you have enough power to overwrite their essence to become yours for example

Turning a daemon of khorne ,turning its appearance a bit differently and now it serves Tzeentch

[storm jungle]

They're created by a specific god, and serve it as a matter of their nature. Daemons switching side would be like wolves choosing not to be carnivores, or birds choosing not to fly.

The only exception would be those Daemon Princes and Spawn who were mortals, and were raised to Daemonhood. They may change their allegiance, but their former patron would likely be displeased, and punish them accordingly.

[celest dome]

I think it happened in fantasy

With baby Bel

[queen laurel]

I was going to write the blood letter who got stomped on by Gork and Mork fighting and suddenly he just decided to be the ally of the orks because he got hit in the head way too hard

[celest dome]

And with Zufhasin too

[queen laurel]

And their very energy over wrote khorne's influence

[normal light]

The Great Unclean One coming over to the planet under Slaanesh control and becoming The Great Clean one

[normal light]

Could be very good proxy for Slaanesh Daemon

[crystal forum]

valhalla must win

[celest dome]

I'd vote for Tallarn

[near wasp]

Lets go iron gaurd!

[bronze jasper]

So...I have a quick question, since I never thought about it before. The Beta gear is labelled "Mortis Operative"...but isn't the Legio Mortis a traitor legion? Or is it a reference to something else?

[storm jungle]

Mortis is just the Latin word for "Death"

its used because it sounds cool

its like how the Hades Breaching Drill is named Hades because it sounds cool.

[bronze jasper]

Well, I knew that. I just assumed there was a connection. Calling a supporter of the Legio Mortis a Mortis Operative isn't too far fetched. But it's more meant as "Death Squad", I guess?

[green loom]

Random generic latin words are thrown around like candy in setting

[storm jungle]

^

Generic Latin, thats pretty much all it is.

[crystal forum]

40k loves using random words with no correlation to its actual dictionary usage

[dry epoch]

Word.

[storm jungle]

YEP

It took like almost 3 decades for there to be a black guy in the cover of a 40k RPG book and also novel lol.

Women and female characters in the setting in general were also just a massive oof point.

[dry epoch]

Late 80s general misogyny and general bigotry all round. Inroads have been made in recent years and that's a good thing.

[storm jungle]

Yeah entirely agreed so.

I remember one of my friends asking a GW guy at a convention on why female necrons were not a thing for a long time and it was apparently entirely because some guy in the studio who was a higher-up was constantly pushing against the idea

and thats one example

[crystal forum]

there's no way the writers made these decisions

[storm jungle]

They have.

40k was founded as a macho setting.

[dry epoch]

Writers are steered by the studio, by editors and by random people who don't have a clue what the player base consists of.

[storm jungle]

This lady here was a BL writer so she knows what she's talking about.

[crystal forum]

no self respecting world builder neglects adding diversity in a sci fi setting like come on

[dry epoch]

I had to ditch an entire plot element and chunk of a novel because the studio decided to change a core fact in the middle of me writing it. So yeah. 😄

[storm jungle]

^

BL sucks lol

[storm jungle]

40k was founded in the 90's and proceeded to the early 2000's, where machoism was high and girls were icky.

Theres no "diversity"

[dry epoch]

Ah, they're fun to write for and I'm grateful I get the chance. So there's that.

[celest dome]

Some time you wonder what the writer could have done that would have been awesome than the Exec didn't allow

[crystal forum]

yeah but even marvel and DC had black superheros. women also were present but it was super male fantasy depictions yeah

[storm jungle]

Yeah because Stan Lee pushed for it

he faced a lot of racists/backlash for his decisions

Warhammer is another whole animal

[dry epoch]

The Warhammer target audience when it came into being was very much teenage/early twenties young men. Over the years, the game and those who enjoy it have, like the world in general, diversified. Catch up is slow, but at least there's efforts and an acknowledgement of the problem.

[crystal forum]

i genuinely think the people who made warhammer had never seen a black person in whatever remote english city they lived in

[celest dome]

Marvel and Star Trek were famous for being quite progressive, while GW are not know for so much

[storm jungle]

this is entirely it yeah

[green loom]

It's also Br*tish

[storm jungle]

warhammer fantasy was also incredibly racist

Anyone that wasn't from Not-Europe was a caricature

[celest dome]

And even some Europeans

[dry epoch]

...I mean, so am I?

[crystal forum]

it's just a shitty sci fi setting in that case then. it's supposed to be the future where all races have gone to space and somehow only white people are present. fantasy was worse imo because holy shit there's some races that are cartoonishly racist

[dry epoch]

Not my creation, I am innocent of all charges.

[green loom]

I don't mean it as the uhhh

General non UK jab at them being crooked toothed savages

More that it was made in Britain

Back then

[crystal forum]

it's so white that even the tallarn raiders are caucasian

[dry epoch]

I will go back to loitering beneath this rock over here.

[crystal forum]

no you must tell us your thoughts on dan abnett

[celest dome]

I'd like more Valkia books

[dry epoch]

Valkia was so much fun to write.

[green loom]

We need her in AoS

[celest dome]

I can see, but we need her in 40k

[dry epoch]

He's a very lovely man and he cooked me a very delicious dinner when we last visited him.

🙂

[celest dome]

What did he make ?

[crystal forum]

i laughed so hard when i saw an image of ogres on the wiki. they're so bad

[storm jungle]

Ogres are okay

[celest dome]

Oh yeah the Mongole looking ones ?

[green loom]

Do NOT look up old Nippon models

[storm jungle]

they are not too on the nose

compared to yeah Nippon

or Ind lore lmao

or Araby

"MIDDLE-EASTERNERs ON FLYING CARPETS"

[celest dome]

There are worse than all those

[dry epoch]

It was fish and potatoes and samphire and Much Wine was had and ridiculous board games occurred and then more wine happened. Then we had to retreat to our attic hotel bedroom which was heated by the heart of star that couldn't be turned off and I had the worst hangover.

[celest dome]

Samphire ?

[storm jungle]

man I really want to like Abnett

[crystal forum]

yes

[storm jungle]

but he also has to have the world's most spineless editor

"How about I stretch this final HH book into 3 parts"

[dry epoch]

Yeah, it's a vegetable. Basically estuary seaweed.

[celest dome]

Huh, I never have seen that one

[green loom]

Remember what we lost

[dry epoch]

Like... tiny asparagus.

[celest dome]

I know that BL has opening seasons for new writers, but do "confirmed" ones get more leeway on what they can write ?

[dry epoch]

Can't really comment on that, but I am pretty sure that he isn't in charge of Marketing.

[storm jungle]

Oh no he entirely admitted it himself

[green loom]

I assume it helps that the big ones have like big jobs at Black Libary lol

[storm jungle]

that he wrote way too much and wanted to extend it into 2 more novels

Im sure the BL guys just nodded along knowing how much that would sell

[dry epoch]

You can try pitching something more 'out there', but it'll get reined in by the editors/studios if it goes too far down a random path.

[green loom]

(And it WILL sell)

[storm jungle]

but theres just SO MUCH fat

[storm jungle]

YEP

imagine milking the fight between Horus and Sanguinius to a single goddamn book.

I know other events will happen in it but jesus

[green loom]

Que another 3 million posts about a throwaway line in book 2 page 359 where Sanguinius mentions he likes white wine more than red

[dry epoch]

I wrote an entire book based on a single paragraph, so I can't really comment on that.

[celest dome]

So you could push for a Valkia book

[storm jungle]

Yeah but you dont write 500 pages of bolter porn Sarah

I know because I read half your stuff 💀

[green loom]

No not 500

It's 3 books worth

💀

[celest dome]

Well mayde she could if she wanted to

[storm jungle]

aaa

[dry epoch]

Well, there's SOME. 🙂

[storm jungle]

YEP but its not that bad

you dont make me read about some rando like Fafnir Ran and how badass he is

[dry epoch]

I will take that as a compliment, thank you very much.

[storm jungle]

[dry epoch]

I'm presently engaged in writing in Other Worlds at the moment: the UK paperback release of my new novel is this month, so that's nice.

[celest dome]

Wait, do you have your own branded server ?

[green loom]

At least it isn't checks notes
Nick Kyme Salamanders novels

[storm jungle]

Nah its just a dummy server I use for file dumping/storage for random stuff.

I just have some emotes I commissioned also uploaded there, its just me

[green loom]

Now NONE can call me a tourist

[celest dome]

So I'm not sure, but the Valkia novel never say in what year it happen no ? So any hope we'd see her in Old World ?
Just noticed it's Other World, not Old World

[near wasp]

Yes a fellow ultramarine

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40k-ultramarines-gif-22239108

[dry epoch]

Never say never

[storm jungle]

Valkia is also in AoS

but uhhh the writers butchered her backstory

[dry epoch]

Again, innocent of all charges.

[celest dome]

Again... what did they do this time

[storm jungle]

Yeah this was WAY later after you left Sarah

also nothing just uhhh

they entirely rehashed her Old World backstory to be in AoS instead?

So like shes just some rando barbarian that gets ascended, so her WHF book becomes entirely null.

[celest dome]

Ah, don't mark me as surprise

[storm jungle]

Which is like why

but yeah 😩

[celest dome]

So I guess she is back to not being a Daemon Princess again I suppose

[green loom]

At least she got a neat DLC for Total Warhammer

[dry epoch]

I mean, technically I never left, I'm freelance. I pop stories in every now and then. 🙂

[storm jungle]

True but still 😩

[green loom]

Who's the uhhhh

Bloody Rose lady again

[celest dome]

What's the relationship between Valkia and karanak

[dry epoch]

Everyone needs a puppy dog to bring their slippers.

[storm jungle]

Danie Ware

[dry epoch]

Right, I'm off to be mediocre on video games, so have nice rest of your respective days.

[crystal forum]

im willing to pay you 1$ to write a love story about two krieg infantry

[green loom]

Was the Psychic Awakening for ragnar called wolftime?

Or was it Saga of the Beast

[storm jungle]

Saga of the Beast

Wolftime is the Dawn of Fire book

[green loom]

Ok just making sure it's not more unoriginal than I thought

[arctic talon]

calling a supplement book Wolftime 💀

[rose thorn]

A, fucking, what?

https://tenor.com/view/stare-christian-bale-handsome-gif-13379950

Wolftime?

[crystal forum]

is it just me or do ultramarines, world eaters and luna wolves share a roman aesthetic

[celest dome]

Isn't Wolftime when Russ is supposed to come back ?

Iron Fist are Greek

[green loom]

Ye

[crystal forum]

what's an iron fist

[rose thorn]

My favorite part of the space wolves is when russ comes on screen and says ‘it’s wolftime’ and wolfs all over the place

[crystal forum]

seriously though how hard is it to make 18 chapters be completely different

salamanders are like one of the only original chapters

[green loom]

Very, I'd get stuck at like 4

Then again I'm not being paid

[rose thorn]

Iron hands successor chapter with a better color scheme then og

[arctic talon]

not to be confused with the Fists of Iron

[rose thorn]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/7/7a/Iron_Fists_Scheme2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20221231044041

[rose thorn]

Of course

Don’t forget the iron fist’s hands are gold colored

[celest dome]

They are based on Rome, but different aspects of them

[crystal forum]

imagine if world eaters were inspired by hindu culture and angron's origin story was taken from one of shiva's myths or something

no instead we have diet spartacus with anger issues

[rose thorn]

Okay but also Angronbeing kinda sorta Hindu themes seems like it could be very offensive

[crystal forum]

there's a ton of fucked up shit in hindu mythology

how would it be offensive

[rose thorn]

Hinduism is very large in modern day and having their rep being the guy obsessed with murder following the god of murder is kinda yikes

[storm jungle]

yooo MCU reference????

[rose thorn]

Hahahshahhzhdha

Also when they added a Hindu god in smite it didn’t leave a good image

And then added serval more

[crystal forum]

the warp took a lot of inspiration from christian depictions of hell and fantasy warhammer in general is a parody of christianity in the middle ages

[rose thorn]

Gw using dead cultures like Roman’s, Greeks, medival Europe

Medieval*

Is alot safer

[rose thorn]

Yeah but most people don’t follow the same Christianity as the Middle Ages

[crystal forum]

fine then idk world eaters being inspired by some bloodthirsty indian or arabian historical figure i've never heard of but probably exists

[storm jungle]

I mean

i hope not

LOL

[rose thorn]

[storm jungle]

if theres anything GW cant do

its Muslim/Hindu cultures

Eldar do that shit way better

[rose thorn]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

also mixing these rather serene/peaceful cultures with fascist space-nazis is eh

[crystal forum]

hey they adapted the entirety of the mongol empire as a chapter and it somehow wasn't that racist

[storm jungle]

I mean

Mongols were violent conquerors

so it fits

[rose thorn]

Mainly the Mongolian empire who were blood thirsty conquers , not modern day Mongolia

[green loom]

Until you listen to the audiobook

[storm jungle]

^

[crystal forum]

listen i can barely remember the word sultan but there must have been at least one crazy one

[storm jungle]

Sultans were all bad

because power uh

you know

kinda corrupts

[crystal forum]

there you go

i didn't say religious figures just historical ones

[rose thorn]

Religious figures aren’t an improvement imma be honest

[storm jungle]

yeaaah

like GW can barely respect other cultures that arent english or european

look at WHF

pygmies 💀

[arctic talon]

[rose thorn]

I forgot does gw even have a sudo Chinese rep? Besides maybe tau

[arctic talon]

the incident

[arctic talon]

Horus heresy era white scars sorta

[storm jungle]

The nippon clans in WHF being named after fucking car companies

[rose thorn]

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

They barely respect European cultures

[arctic talon]

HH white scars ended up becoming a mishmash of Chinese, Japanese and Mongolian cultures

which is fine

[crystal forum]

and yet they didn't make a celtic chapter in the 18 choices they had

[arctic talon]

but also sort of weird?

[storm jungle]

because celtic shit is Eldar

[rose thorn]

Yeah, like all 3 of those in history hate each other

Maybe that’s why it worked

[arctic talon]

spears of the emperor sorta

also Celtic shit is also eldar mostly

which feels weird saying

[storm jungle]

Eldar encompass uhhh

• Hindu
• Japanese
• Greek
• Celtic

they fit the faction extremely well

[rose thorn]

Also like, ultra marines and i wanna say emperors children are pretty greek

[crystal forum]

i have a deep dislike when writers dont stick to a single inspiration

[rose thorn]

But it could just be Rome

[arctic talon]

well too bad

[crystal forum]

it's just screams to me that they don't even understand their reference material and don't know what culture it comes from

like tau being vaguely asian

[arctic talon]

T'au aren't really that chinese aside from some aesthetic stuff

the caste system is weird

mostly since it doesn't resemble any irl caste system

[rose thorn]

Yea, but it’s like more modern Chinese

[arctic talon]

its just straight up eugenics lol

[rose thorn]

Correct me if I’m wornh but isn’t it based off India’s old political structures?

[arctic talon]

in a way yes

but the castes are all equal

except for the ethereals

[crystal forum]

and i just realized tau being asian inspired explains their futuristic aesthetic. another common trope

[arctic talon]

India's caste system was tiered based on caste

[green loom]

They're kinda NATO inspired no

[arctic talon]

yeah

combat wise

literally just bomb the shit out of everything/drones

[storm jungle]

The Tau architecture/look is pretty much Utopianism.

[arctic talon]

^

[storm jungle]

Smooth gentle shapes that arent hostile

[arctic talon]

Its not really asian

the only really asian inspired part of tau are like

[rose thorn]

Ooo america reference!

[arctic talon]

their armor

[storm jungle]

Yeah tau armor is basically samurai

just really subtle

which is good

[arctic talon]

Its got the same plating set up

[rose thorn]

I know it came out after but their guns remind me of that Chinese laser rifle hoax

[arctic talon]

Tau are very vaugely asia inspired

[crystal forum]

which funny enough comes from the actually racist notion from the cyberpunk aesthetic that asia is mysterious and techy

[arctic talon]

the cyberpunk aesthetic came into being due to how Japan was dominiating the tech industry at the time

[rose thorn]

Also necromunda is Australia

Just

[arctic talon]

Necromunda is just

[rose thorn]

The one planet

[arctic talon]

weird

[rose thorn]

I love it so much

[arctic talon]

its fine to take from a variety of sources for inspiration imo

and its not like the Tau are the most advanced species in the setting either

that prize goes to Necrons

[rose thorn]

using dead cultures or just using hues of modern ones is what I think is best

[arctic talon]

yeah

[rose thorn]

But culture bashing usually offends the least and is the most fun and safest

[crystal forum]

yeah and westerners thought of the place as devoid of warmth and all synthetic. when you plaster your dystopian setting with asian culture it implies both go together well...

[arctic talon]

I'ma be real with you

Japanese work culture is pretty dogshit

[rose thorn]

Unless you are really bad at it

[storm jungle]

Cyberpunk being so focused on Japan is because back in the 80's and 90's when the genre was on the rise Japan's economy was fucking BOOMING.

Everyone thought Japan was going to become a massive corporational giant and extend its reach across the world, its what inspired movies like Alien, Bladerunner and the O.G Cyberpunk by Mike Pondsmith and Co to focus on that aspect. In reality Japan's economic dominance fell off afterwards where they are still a good contender but still in middle-grounds.

[arctic talon]

having grandparents who grew up in that era lol

the entire notion that Japanese work culture treats you like a resource is true

[green loom]

Arasaka becoming world-power organization be like

[storm jungle]

kek

also fun fact

[arctic talon]

I don't find cyberpunk offensive because its literally exemplifying the worst parts of Japanese work culture

[storm jungle]

South Korea is a dystopian cyberpunk nightmare

not Japan

[arctic talon]

or just East Asian work culture in general

[crystal forum]

but that's not what using japanese culture in a dystopian setting does. it just says that this culture inevitably leads to synthetic fakeness

[arctic talon]

I mean it does

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

Like

I am literally half Japanese, the culture of Japan is sort of fucked

its really really creepy

[green loom]

If you think we're repressive

[arctic talon]

tbf a Japanese person will never say to their face they hate you

they'll just ignore you and cut you off

and tell everyone else they know to do so

[crystal forum]

saying that a culture by itself causes societal issues is where i cross the line. that's just racism

[arctic talon]

its considered bad to be confrontational

[storm jungle]

The joke of asian parents saying you are a failure for getting 90 out of 100 in an exam is not exaggerated, believe me

[arctic talon]

bruh I got beaten with a belt for getting a B

[storm jungle]

YEP

[rose thorn]

[arctic talon]

I can talk shit about my own culture

[crystal forum]

that doesn't mean you're immune to being hateful

[arctic talon]

Japanese work culture has done irreparable harm imo

especially since my grandparents saw nothing wrong with living in a house

owned by the same company they worked for lol

you get paid, and a chunk of that money went back to the company you worked for

thats pretty fucked up

you work long hours, you barely get to sleep

Japanese work culture nowadays is better then its been before

but that doesn't mean it isn't a blight on peoples mental health or actively harmful

There's no way in hell that falling asleep on the streets should be considered normal

except it is

and its pubically accepted

[near wasp]

Japan is notorious for its terrible work culture

[green loom]

[arctic talon]

No seriously

buisnessmen falling asleep randomly on the sidewalk is socially acceptable lol

[green loom]

heheh, pubically

[arctic talon]

like

just straight up splayed out on the ground

[crystal forum]

im well aware of all this. i still think blaming the culture is looking in the wrong direction to solve issues

[arctic talon]

I think the work culture needs to change, literally all the young people in Japan want it to change

its not a sustainable way to live nowadays

no one wants to work 10 hours per day, then go out for drinks with your boss for another 3 hours

well not no one

thats an exaggeration but most people

don't enjoy that sort of work culture nowadays

[near wasp]

Its a cultural issue, the culture is literally to blame

[arctic talon]

The issue isn’t technically Japanese culture

It’s the work culture

[near wasp]

Its the japanese work culture

[arctic talon]

Yeah

The actual culture is fine

The work culture is toxic as hell

And it bleeds into the actual culture at times

[crystal forum]

you could say american culture is similar and likes overworking but just look at the fight for rights that was done in the first half of the 20th century. you can't always blame a culture for systemic issue

[rose thorn]

I was born and raised in the us

[arctic talon]

Why wouldn’t I blame the Japanese work culture I’ve seen it’s effects on my family

[rose thorn]

I started working at 14

[arctic talon]

It’s pretty horrendous

[rose thorn]

Worked at a fast foo place at 16

And didn’t get my workers permit til 17

[arctic talon]

My older cousin didn’t get home till 12:00 normally

[rose thorn]

The work culture of United States is more built of uhh what’s the term

[arctic talon]

And his job starts at 8:30 in the morning

[near wasp]

I started at 19 been working at my first job since, just got a raise and full time today.

[arctic talon]

Mandatory “company bonding”

Aka getting drunk with your boss/working overtime

[rose thorn]

Nice!

I have burn scars lmao

And only got 2 raises ever

One of them I didn’t even actually get

[crystal forum]

because cultures are what exist no matter the working conditions. whatever you think is work culture is just an adaptation to survive the greedy squeezing you. japan only got this way by trying to outcompete on the world market. it was inevitably going to maximize profits by forcing the population to work harder

[rose thorn]

But I’m almost a year through college so we ball

[arctic talon]

It’s not an adaptation to survive the greedy squeezing you, it’s implemented and enforced by them

[crystal forum]

and it takes advantage of the strict culture that already existed

[arctic talon]

If you don’t do overtime or go out with your co-workers and boss

You get socially ostracized

Which means other companies won’t hire you if you inevitably get fired

[crystal forum]

the working conditions are the issue, not the culture

[arctic talon]

The working conditions are enforced by the working culture

And old people see no issue with it

[crystal forum]

the people who enforce them don't give a shit. rich people in all countries act exactly the same, they have their own culture

[arctic talon]

They actively are a part of it in Japan and set the “example”

What you should aspire to become

Sleep overnight at work, help the team “bond”

[crystal forum]

i can guarantee you that if bosses could get away with as much stuff in the west as they do in japan they'd do it

[rose thorn]

Everyone everyone, can we just agree corporatism is bad?

[crystal forum]

companies like amazon tell you to report unionizing attempts. this is straight up illegal but they still do it. it's always the same shit no matter the country

[storm jungle]

this is very nice administratum lore-talk here

[arctic talon]

Lol

Besides the unions also are in support of the work culture in Japan

It’s kind of fucked lol

They only really care about workers compensation

[crystal forum]

im surprised unions even exist in japan

[arctic talon]

They’re very weak

But it’s usually for farmers and manual labor

[crystal forum]

but that's the problem with unions. they're not just inherently good, they need to have dedicated members

[arctic talon]

They’re also the reason why some Japanese foods are so expensive over sea lol

To maintain that “exclusivity”

[crystal forum]

yeah while they overfish international waters

[rose thorn]

My favorite part the lore is when 40k Amazon sent Gulliman a new sword

[arctic talon]

Ironicially the labor laws to prevent death from overworking aren’t enforced

[arctic talon]

Cawl prime

[crystal forum]

amazon in 40k is just eldar who use the webway and are too bored to do anything else

[rose thorn]

40k Amazon is when you want to buy something so you shoot your neighbor and take said thing

[crystal forum]

i like to imagine that some shipping company in the dark age of man managed to use the webway and the remnants of this company still deliver stuff sometimes

[arctic talon]

Necromunda

5 second express delivery

My bullet to your skull

[crystal forum]

actually that always annoyed my about the dark age of humanity

[arctic talon]

They didn’t use the webway?

[crystal forum]

they're sometimes depicted as ubermensh who can wipe out orks with the touch of a button but for some reason their tanks looked like leman russes and they didn't decide to make every human a super bio organism

we know they had the tech. moon's bio tech was beyond anything in 40k

[rose thorn]

Nurgle’s garden just got a Walmart !

[arctic talon]

Yeah the way shit looks makes no sense lol, I go head empty and assume all the good stuff is lost which makes 0 sense

[crystal forum]

it's just

[storm jungle]

The Leman Russ is not a DAOT invention

also they did make humans super bio organism

the issue is the DAOT humanity wasnt united

they were seperate colonies of humans with advanced tech doing their own thing

[green loom]

Help

[crystal forum]

the older i get, the more i realize how dumb a world with tech loss is

the average person has a very weird notion of how technology is developed

it's like they think engineers are always super specialized in single fields of theory that die with them

as if we could forget the entire field of astrophysics if neil degrass tyson died

[rose thorn]

If there’s one guy on all of earth can fix a car

And if something’s happens and everything about fixing a car disappears

And the guy died

[celest dome]

The loss of technology happen during millenias

[rose thorn]

Yea

That too

[celest dome]

Upon which a Tech Cult took all the knoledge and horded it like dragons instead of using it

[near wasp]

Its all the techheads fault

[crystal forum]

i think all of this can be grouped up with the general hatred of agnosticism the horus heresy has. i can tell that dan abnett is at least a little superstitious by the way he correlates atheism with ignorance

[celest dome]

eh, it's all the Emperor's fault tbh

[rose thorn]

Thank you big E very hypocritical and cool

[crystal forum]

like humanity during its peak tech age as depicted by GW is "see??? science is actually a religion because i don't understand how my TV remote works and i have faith that it will work"

[celest dome]

you mean Golden Age Humanity and DaoT Humanity ?

[crystal forum]

there's a difference?

i thought both those names meant the same thing

[celest dome]

Eh, Golden Age is older iirc

But neither really had Technology treated as religion afaik

[crystal forum]

yes it's quoted many times that science was their religion

which gets on my nerves

[celest dome]

But those are from the PoV of people living in the IoM no ?

[crystal forum]

to me it really demonstrates that whoever created this lore was superstitious. it's a very specific way of viewing science and i'm not saying it's necessarily bad

i just hate it when people take it at face value that humanity is stupid

[celest dome]

But it's the Humanity that has fallen, it's people from the IoM who see it like that

Like I'm sure in the future people are gonna mention our attachement to our phones and the internet in a variety of ways, of which religious isn't impossible

[crystal forum]

my main complaint is how 40k treats technology

[celest dome]

It's the IoM, like take some of the Minor factions in the Great Crusade era and you'd see that it's much different with those

[crystal forum]

yeah but in 40k is when any tech progress at all is considered heresy. it makes no sense when you start thinking about what counts as research

[storm jungle]

In a way its the same reason why the Imperium is catholic in aesthetic, because its the ultimate showcase of religious dogma and the writers back then had a bone to pick with britain's religious groups

[storm jungle]

Also a lot of techpriests outright ignore this

they just lie about it

like any good inventor

[crystal forum]

mechanicus is an original faction that actually feels unique to 40k yes. i still think the principles they work on leads to a lot of inconsistencies

[near wasp]

Throw it in the dirt so it looks old then present it as a new finding

[storm jungle]

Its inconsistent on purpose

their entire belief is stupid as fuck

thats the point

[near wasp]

Its esoteric and different sects believe different things

[storm jungle]

Its why any smart techpriest like i said just lies and ignores their creed

[storm jungle]

Also this too

like theres a mechanicus sect that believes flesh is the way and the ultimate temple of purity

[crystal forum]

maybe that was the original idea, i don't know. it just feels to me like lore these days doesn't have that element anymore

[storm jungle]

Oh god no it entirely does lol

Mechanicus' stupity is a highlight in a ton of books

because its extremely glaring as a belief and makes no sense

[crystal forum]

like cawl just reinforces the idea that technology only comes from main characters. that's actually the type of shit i'd expect from ayn rand 🤮

[celest dome]

That's most books, it's part of plot armour

[versed ledge]

So what are the religious tenants of the aeldari Clown God?

[storm jungle]

Fight chaos.

Retell the history of the Eldar

thats it

[crystal forum]

nah to me it feels like they're trying way too hard to make mechanicus cool

same thing with primaris marines

[versed ledge]

Also make people laugh?

[storm jungle]

I mean i guess, depends on the play

[storm jungle]

Well yeah because money

this is a toy game first and foremost

lore comes second or third place

[versed ledge]

Definitely third place

First is money, second is purty designs, third is lore

[crystal forum]

it really feels like GW is implying that the only way the imperium will survive is by having the cool guys have more control

[celest dome]

Tbf, all the new Admech stuff (So not the Primaris stuff) are more about the Admech seeing that they are losing ground and needing more specialised troops so they open their Tech Vault and use what ever they need

[crystal forum]

it's like 40k isn't even a parody anymore. it actually takes itself seriously

[storm jungle]

it is tho

i feel like you are kinda missing a lot of it

[versed ledge]

When everytime it's been the average Joe bobimus from hive world 6969420 fighting as a guardsman doing all the work

[crystal forum]

i just don't give much credit to GW's executives to understand what the word subtlety is

[storm jungle]

well its not the executives its the writers

as long as the Imperium exists 40k will always be satire

[versed ledge]

Satire of what is the question

[crystal forum]

the executives greenlight the model changes that make money and the writers have to suffer and try to spin it into lore

[storm jungle]

Fascist governments

Stupid rulers

Authoritarianism

etc etc

[crystal forum]

but look at how cool they make guilliman look seriously

they practically give him a christ like appearance

[storm jungle]

Guilliman's first words are literally asking why the fuck he is alive and that he'd rather see the Imperium have burnt during the Heresy than to see what it has become now.

[versed ledge]

So IRL

[storm jungle]

Yes

40k was made during Thatcher Britain

the writers knew what fascism was

[storm jungle]

thats Sanguinius

who also died for our sins